WBC 2026 Preview: Logan Webb Leads Team USA | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: with Drosion, throws to Sandberg on the pitches proud of the second base, Thompson has it throws the first, it's over 27 years of waiting of Piltta in the Giants of On the Penet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Thompson to Clark Bradnire here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're about to talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not about giant spaceball in our first segment, though there are some giant ties, it is almost world baseball classic time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the pool play starts on Wednesday and Timo say plays on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the week where we'll get some actual real non spring training baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they had their first workout today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She got to see everybody on the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was video of that, which is really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be weird, though, because Blade Tidwell is going to be on the mound for us tomorrow and tomorrow gets to the US.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, yeah, Logan Webb said he's going to, he's going to ride him from the dugout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, he said he was going to heckle him, but then he just kept saying, I'm talking crap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's great Logan Web is not going to pitch until the opening round, but yeah, it's going to be interesting to see you know you always get a little bit nervous because you got like your kid on the mound played Tidwell and then you've got these mashers at the play you're going to be driving you know shots back up the middle so yeah little little scary, but hey, you know what he's going to be facing big leaders probably this season at some point so well Tidwell was like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to face Aaron Judge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like, really?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that really who you want to face right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess if you can strike him out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of gets on the map, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's, yeah, I mean, this is a good kind of one of those good things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, you know, a little bit more of an audition for these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like, Tidwell and anybody who comes out of the bullpen, a little bit of an audition because you're facing, you're facing the best of the best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, because the, you know, the USA baseball team,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not fielding chunks like you know back when they first started doing this guys are like yeah I don't think I want to play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know now you're pretty much getting the best of the best saying I want to be there because they're seeing the other guys on their team The best of the best like Francisco and Doran those guys did they want to play for their countries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They live or they can't play right

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can't, yeah, that was a bad example, he can't put it because the whole insurance thing, which is a mess to be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't quite understand it, but there's a lot of insurance issues, why certain guys can't play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that being said, you know, you're still getting the best of the best going to their countries to play because they want to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got, and again, these guys can't pitch either, but you got, yeah, I think y'all, my motto can pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We show Hayes not able to pitch show Hayes not going to pitch during the World Baseball class is Yamamoto I don't think he is I think he's I think he's going to pitch

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, once they advance, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's going to happen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's more stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll go through the TMO say roster here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll also go through the schedule and kind of the pools.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How those are laid out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, TMO say plays Brazil on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We may see Logan Webb throw that game or he may throw the following game against Great Britain, which would be against Tristan Beck's team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Logan Webb is pitching for Team USA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we said, Tristan Beck is throwing for Great Britain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Harrison Bader is on Team Israel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Elio Ramos is on team Puerto Rico, Junghu Lee is playing for his team South Korea and Jose Buto and Luis Erize playing for Venon Suela.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's another guy who's playing that I didn't even recognize his name, but he's on the Giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: roster in some way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a lot of guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you turn on a world baseball class at game, there's a half decent chance you're going to see somebody playing for the giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The schedule's interesting, too, because this year, I think what they finally decided to do is they're going to put some games on its 7 p.m. our time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So on Wednesday night, the first pull play game is Taipei against Australia, and that's a 7 PM game here on the West Coast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of exciting because I don't know how many times we're like, hey, all right, we're going to, you know, world baseball classic opens up in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: three o'clock in the morning for us is like what am and then and then 3 a.m. and you're like by I'm gonna wake up and catch the tail end of the game so to have some some prime time games and that that continues on so there are some 2 a.m. games which is would be 11 for us 11 p.m. for us which

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in bed, you're usually awake at 11 p.m.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm already an hour and a half into sleep at that point, but I'm in the second half, usually of one of our NCAA games by 11 p.m. Yeah, I always wake up in the morning to see if you play it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he played it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm up at 11 p.m. most nights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's not worth it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what's interesting is, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this kind of shows you how smart Netflix is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Netflix doesn't have the US rights.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is still Fox and Fox sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What they did is they grabbed the Japan rights for the World Baseball Classic because I would imagine the little do bigger ratings in Japan then they'll do here for the US, but that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you are Japanese baseball fan and you're a Dodgers fan,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because Dodgers have this giant crossover with the Japanese audience, and like even if you're a Dodgers fan and you're not Japanese, you want to see your guys like those are some of the games to watch right and maybe you want to see your guys and make sure that they don't get hurt, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it is a fun, like, you know, and we only do it every three years, so it's not like it's every year and you kind of get bored of it or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, it feels special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, I think the second one we've covered on this podcast if I'm remembering correctly, 2023.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did we do that one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that was the, wasn't that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, against trout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the final AB.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was insane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and that's the stuff you kind of live for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are all star games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you get down to the final rounds, they're all star games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And good all star games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like competitive all star games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, games that don't mean anything in the standings, but they mean something to the players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the important part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're watching NBA basketball all star

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm talking to 90s, because I haven't watched basketball in one time, but when you're talking about 90s basketball, all-star games, those were fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't really mean much to the guys other than like, they got to play with each other, which was cool and they had a good time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is different, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not on the level of the World Cup, the World Cup soccer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not on the level of, I don't think of Olympic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: hockey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's kind of the big one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Olympic basketball is another big one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Olympic baseball has never been a big thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this kind of takes the place of that and I think it levels it up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a good year for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure when the final rounds are

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[SPEAKER_01]: It always happens whenever the final rounds are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're in Disneyland.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It always happens, but it looks like this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, we might be done before that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As I'm looking and yeah, it looks like it goes into like Tuesday, March 17.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So about a week before I leave, we should have a we should have a winner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So so that'll be kind of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go over to the team USA roster here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to dig in, let's look at the, so the pitching staff, you have Will Bednar's big bro, David Bednar, I think he's gonna, is he closing for this team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I believe so you have you have Matthew he's he's isn't the running for the Yankees closer So that's kind of your guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you have Matthew Boyd you have a Garrett Clevveringer You have Clay Holmes you have Nolan McLean Clayton Kershaw The mop up duty of all mop up duties for Clayton Kershaw here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you think he's gonna get on the mound

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, I mean, with the teams they play and pull play, yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'll get an Indian here or there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brad Keller, Griffin Jacks, Mason Miller, us, Mason Miller could close, maybe Joe Ryan, but did they have to remove Joe Ryan to need?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't he have like a little tweaking his arm or something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's eligible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think when you put him on, he's on a particular list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember him the name of the list, but once you put somebody on that list, and then it's kind of like the world series and the major league baseball playoffs after each round got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's eligible to come back in if they need it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you got the dynamic duo of schemes in school, though I know school is only going to pitch one game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be very early and then he's going to be done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that Gabe Spear, Michael Walker, of course, Logan Web might actually be their most valuable arm because of how much he may have to pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know in Logan Web as we do, he could probably go nine innings in the first game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know I'm so well, that guy could just go out there and just throw nine innings, throw 112 pitches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the next day is like, yeah, fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do we know what skins is going to do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to just pitch like one or two games?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is he going to be there through the whole thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have to go back and look at his game log and see where he's at right now on his pitching regimen, but I would say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Logan Web through two innings in his first spring tuna start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, that tells you we're Logan Web's at skins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's pitch limited the last couple of seasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder who the swing arms are going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like who are they going to depend to pick up the bulk innings after the starter goes like three or four?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That I mean, that's really about managing the bulk in as managing those middle innings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let me look at the roster here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Garrett Whitlock is the other arm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the last arm after a little good way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Jacks can give you a couple of innings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Walker can give you a few innings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yarbrow can give you a few innings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think those are going to be your swing guys, they're going to come in and kind of math you void is going to give you some in and so I think all those guys can give you two or three here or there or so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the managing the bullpen's got to be the most like anxious thing for these, that derosa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, he's got, he's got a list of requirements.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's got to look at the list to go, this guy went 13 pitches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to get him out before he gets to 20.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, and you know, he's got he has probably a valuable list too because that list probably has Buster Posi's autograph on it because it probably says Logan Webb no matter what he says can not go more than for any sign Buster Posi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, because like if you think about it as they go into you go through pull play you get to the semi finals and the find and the championship game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you do have a championship game and let's say T mu is say is in it,

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[SPEAKER_00]: does Logan web stretch to five does he like do like if he's going well, you know, do you if he's going like, you know, under 60 pitches is he finished five and then you fill in the rest inning inning and then boom Mason Miller took to shut shut it down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the tricky part is going to be Logan Webb's going to pitch on March 25th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we already know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the pitch on March 25th to open the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to kind of line up like where where is he how much time between his last game with Team USA?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, if they get eliminated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in the next round, early, then he's going to be back with San Francisco and from there going, you know, back on his pitch count and everything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that I think they do a really good job of sticking to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where it's a little bit difficult with the WBC because you have some guys, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, who aren't necessarily major league pitchers and some of those guys start the games and they'll go like six innings if they can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we don't have that luxury because all of our guys are major league baseball players and they're in spring training and they're getting warmed up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But some of the guys from Dominican leagues,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Venezuelan, the Caribbean world series, everything else, they're coming from being stretched out already because their season was over the winter and I did watch a couple of games, there were some games on WR on MLB.tv.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was able to catch a couple of those games, but yeah, one of those guys are kind of stretched out, not the major league pitchers, but the guys who are friends still trying to hang on to their careers and they can go fiber-sixinium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so let's look at the way this tournament breaks down here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what, I had a list of what it looks like, but I think actually had the 20, 23 version, let's see, I need to find the 20, 26 version.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's funny looking at the roster because you go down and you see USA team baseball, team USA baseball, you're looking down and you're looking at all the major League of affiliations that they're with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got Clayton Kershaw and it's just got nothing else because again, it's retired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that's always funny to see all right let's see let's see if I can share this at least on the only live stream here see if this works all right there we go there we go okay

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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's our format, pool a Puerto Rico Cuba, Canada, Panama, Colombia, pool b, that's a tough one right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, the problem is that there are so many Puerto Recon players who didn't get ensured that their team kind of took a hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I saw somebody, you know, people are looking at this from a bedding angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we have to look at everything, bro, bedding angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These days, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So frustrated having that in the podcast where the folks are betting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they said that they thought Canada actually had a nice opportunity here, because Puerto Rico is a, is a, is a little bit of a lesser team this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and pool sea, Japan, Australia, Korea, Chechia, Chinese Taipei, pool dee, Venezuela, Dominican Republic, Netherlands, Israel, Nicaragua.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so how the quarterfinals work is you have the pool A, runner up, against the pool B winner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and same thing on the other side, C&D, and then the pool B runner up and pool A winner, and then when you get out of that, you get into the semi-finals, until you have the quarterfinals winners going against the opposite side, quarterfinals winners before you get to the championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what this tells me is that the United States and Japan could play before even they get to the championship game if things fall that way, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine that both teams will probably win their pools, just because I think they're the two best teams in the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would love to see a rematch in the finals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I read something that Teamio says only won the World Baseball Classic Wands in the five-year history, and so I think they, like you said, they kind of souped up the team a little bit, because they really, really wanted to get this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're the favorite, though, I kind of look at Japan's roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, should we be the favorite?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, and it's the fact, and it's not only the fact that Japan is stacked, I feel like they understand

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[SPEAKER_00]: how to play in a tournament like this a little bit better than the U.S. does because it's right before spring training and like we said, like if this thing was, you know, worth as much as the world series, you'd get scuba and Yamamoto, you know, going toe to toe in the championship game, but scuba's not pitching past this first this first game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wonder, I know a lot of people think Team USA is going to win this thing, but I still think Japan is like, should be the favorite or should be pretty even between the two teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think in the Dominican Republic is always a really tough team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm looking at their roster and holy moly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you look at their, their infielders or look at they got Camino, Vlad Jr. Machado, Catel Marte, Jeremy Payne, and then the outfield they've got.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tatees, Julio Rodriguez, Juan Soto, O'Neill Cruz is your fourth outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's gonna be an nasty one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be pitching, you know, Sandy Alcantara, who's had a couple of tough seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he didn't, isn't he out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he might be out, but he's on the roster that I'm looking at, um, and that he had to get Tommy John or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, and then you've got, no, no, uh, Alcantara's back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, he doesn't yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, he's a big trade, um, talk this, this spring training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, this is kind of a showcase for him, actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, but then you're looking at, uh, your, your closer is probably going to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh no, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've actually a little bit more comfortable with you still trying to win a spot with us in the bullpen So that's going to be interesting to watch as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so is it going to be Santos because he does have this Gregory Santos does have closer History and that's something you and I haven't talked about as much is that Santos does have that, but but he is a non-ross story in Vite

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a on a minor league deal, so it's kind of a matter of him having to make the 40 man to even, you know, be in the Giants bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, but yeah, the Dominican, that's going to be a tough matchup Dominican against Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we've seen that for a few seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That could be a big matchup, so that the key is to win your pull.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If United States wins their pool, they're going to probably be facing, I mean, God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that I look at the roster of Puerto Rico, pool A is kind of up for grabs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you've got Columbia that may be a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were kind of the underdogs that came out last last tournament.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's going to be kind of interesting to

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I would think I would still think looking at Japan's roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still think that they have the advantage and they're probably the favorites at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, interesting that you team USA still has the best odds to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm looking at that going like, okay, I mean, but you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That team USA does have a much improved team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's go through the position players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cal Raleigh and Will Smith, you don't really get too much better than that from the catchers perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Infielders, Alex Breggman, Gunner Henderson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ernie cheese, Clement, our guy, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's really, he showcased himself in the world series as being a guy who comes up with key hits and just a defensive wizard at second base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's kind of come on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Since we last saw him a couple of seasons ago in San Francisco, we went to the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you got his big old face and his smile up on the scoreboard and the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He really kind of cemented himself as a Toronto favorite during the World Series last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce Trang, Paul Goldschmidt, the elder statesman, Paul Goldschmidt, Bobby Witt Jr. and Bryce Harper, Bryce, not elite Harper, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, let's hope he is elite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he needs to be elite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alfred was Roman Anthony who supposedly bulked up in the offices in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Byron Buckston, Pete Crow Armstrong, and Aaron Judge, and it designated hitter Kyle Schwarber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a really good team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, you can't really complain about how they put this team together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a, it's a, yeah, them and Japan, they should be the top two teams here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm super excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, um, it's a little bit of like the appetizer for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right before the, the season starts because I think you said this will end about a week before the season starts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So nice little appetizer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to watch some real baseball and.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when the show comes out, I'll get to play some of these world baseball classic little update to Africa, but they call challenges or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about Patrick Bailey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's an article that came out today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say it was baggly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was bags.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's he wrote that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Patrick Bailey, he found a unique thing about the ABS, which actually helps him or could help his picture, and I'm actually wondering if they're able to weaponize this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So basically,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the umpires vision like the idea of framing is you want to catch that ball so that the umpire sees it very clearly no doubt about it and so that you don't give them any reason to not call a strike a strike right now if you think about if a pitcher gets crossed up or

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[SPEAKER_00]: throws a pitch that is supposed to be like, say, on the inside corner target, but the pitch kind of goes a ride, and the catcher has to kind of dive over and catch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Generally, it's not going to be called a strike because the umpires kind of fooled in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, there was a situation

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[SPEAKER_00]: had to do that where the pitch wasn't where he was expecting it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of had to backhand it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he thought, well, even though this didn't look good, like I didn't, I was unable to to catch this correctly for the Empire, it was still a strike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he used the ABS system and it was a strike and they got the strike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I wonder if in his

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[SPEAKER_00]: weird catcher's brain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I wonder if we can do this, like, set it up that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, to have Logan Webb, you're setting up for an inside strike, but Logan Webb is in on the thing, and you're in on the thing, and you kind of dive over in the catcher, you know, the the batter is kind of fooled, because he's he's hearing you on the inside, you dive out to the outside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if they're going to weaponize that, because I thought that was kind of an interesting

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when they started talking about the ABS last year, there was some ideas kicked around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember reading this of how great, like you just said, how great Patrick Bailey is on taking a borderline strike, pulling it back into the zone, framing it and having it called a strike.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What about the opposite of him taking a border so you set up on the outside, not just not what happened yesterday, but you set up on the outside you take a pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a strike and it hits the edge and you move your glove slightly to the outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that it gets called a strike.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then the batter sees where it finishes and thinks, wait, that was a ball and then challenges the pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then loses the challenge because yes, it was a strike, but Patrick Bailey framed it just out of the zone after he called it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The ultimate leap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or, or I would love to see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a close pitch, which Patrick Bailey knows as a strike that's called a ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, how would this work?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just trying to think of an opportunity for him to go, man, and then the catcher goes, oh shoot, that's not a strike or just fooling the batter in some way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is it has to happen within seconds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot, once the ball is thrown back to the pitcher and the pitcher starts, you can't challenge it though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to challenge immediately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's gotta be one of those things where you need to catch

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[SPEAKER_01]: to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They call that a strike, but he, I mean, Patrick Bailey's glove is two inches off the plate, because he pulls it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it would have to be one of those things where Patrick Bailey hears the strike call and quickly does it, you know, kind of a bang, bang.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that'll be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think things will develop as time goes on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're also going to see strategies to of when do guys challenge?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you challenging early in games?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to be challenging with

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, two outs in the bottom of the first nobody on and it's a three to pitch and it's just a difference between a walk and a strikeout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're going to be challenging that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are going to be guys who are like Patrick Bailey said in the article, you have to take the emotion out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's going to be the key.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The emotional guys

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the guys who are going to have a hard time not challenging.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to get wrong up on a three-two pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't matter what ining what situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the managers are probably going to have to reel those guys in a little bit and say, well, you know, you come up to bat with the bags juiced in the sixth inning and a close game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the manager tells them before he goes up to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you think you get, if you think you're screwed here, you know, you do have this opportunity, but you don't want them to think about it at the same time, so that'll be kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, going back to our WBC conversation, our guy Sheldon said, Skeens was on Pat McAfee and said he would be on his five or six day rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it looks like he should be there, you know, for the ride, he's not going to be like school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I still don't get that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to pitch pitch, I mean, you know, one, one game and pull play against, uh, I don't know Brazil, although web spitching against Brazil, but whatever, I guess the thing is like he's not on a contract full time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You doesn't have like a six year deal, maybe had a six year deal, then he'd be a little more comfortable, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's true because I think it's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's obviously ultimately the decision of the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the players decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're under contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the team's decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last time it came around, Logan Webb wanted to pitch and the team said, no, this time it came around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted to pitch and the team was like, okay, look, he's our ace, he's put in the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He means a lot to this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of good to see a giant out there, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'll be nice to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Buster himself said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: he was trying to talk Logan in to doing it more towards the end of his career kind of like what Kershaw is doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Logan wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at that point, what does it matter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean, like if you like like Clayton Kershaw's not coming into throw, you know, nasty curveballs and pitching three or four handings and you know, three or four shut out handings, Clayton Kershaw's coming in as a, you know, ceremonial retired pitcher and I don't think web wants to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's not worth it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and he may not get picked, he'd be good enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because as time goes on, this may become more of a thing where guys are like, no, no, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to play for my country.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because what we just saw with the US Olympic team,

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... i mean that was phenomenal at the u.s. uh... limpa cocky team and that was phenomenal so guys see that and all of a sudden you're like geeked up but by then the rosters were already made so in three years from now is that feeling still going to be there um... i don't know but you know there's got to be there's got to be a marketing dude uh... or or or lady who works this and and and goes out there didn't talk to the team and it's like you know shows the video of

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[SPEAKER_01]: the US Olympic hockey team winning it all and saying, look at this man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this guy even lost his teeth doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what, you know, that's what you got to put it out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One more thing about Patrick Bailey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I was looking at his numbers and his rookie year hit 353

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now his batting average in on base haven't really changed that much since he became the full time guy behind the dish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What has changed though is his slugging as low as it was at 359 in his rookie year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just keeps going down 339 to 325 last year, his OPS was 602 last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where you're almost like, you know, okay, he's got, he did have six home runs eight, eight, home runs zero four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not necessarily like a pitcher, but, you know, you're talking about one of the, in a DH current major league baseball where you can use a DH, you know, he's one of the least valuable hitters going for a position player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know he's talked about,

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[SPEAKER_00]: adjusting the swing a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Mike Kruko's been on his behind every single year about being in better shape so that he can withstand the full season and look, that dude, you know, being a catcher is beating up your body enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm not trying to minimize that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what being a catcher is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, if he was like a DH and not a catcher, he probably would have better numbers, but his entire value is as a receiver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think there is opportunity in his game to improve as a hitter?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we just being hopeful?

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know he there there are moments when he comes up to the plate and I'm just like oh my god you know you know how when we when we're playing we used to play back in the day and you just have a lot of outs that's what he is sometimes just automatic out yeah but when we think about him as a as a hitter right now can he improve yeah you know I think he can and again we're we're in a totally different coaching

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mence is a guy who got the Toronto Blue Jays to the World Series, helped get them to the World Series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was by putting the ball and playing, changing, hitting philosophy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They even mentioned in the article too that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Patrick Bailey was amazed at how well the blue jays adjusted to the giants pitching during the series where when the giants I think was right out of the all starbreak to giants went to Toronto is kind of a key series giants got their butts kicked I mean they they could not get anybody out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Patrick Bailey mentioned that, and he said it's just about being more aggressive and just being more confident and being able to get the bat going early and then hold up if you have to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Change to stance a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he can be, and again, back's mentioned in the article.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he hits 260 with 15 home runs and 20 plus doubles and plus his defense,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's an all-star catcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's a high-war all-star catcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe in three years, we see him in the world baseball class, because as the starting catcher, he would be that valuable to the team in the catching position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he can improve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has hit at certain levels in the minors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as catchers get older that disappear, so it's got to happen this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we need to see some of those numbers this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw that in September of last year where for a whole month, he was just on fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we need to see that early and the number show,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that against starting pitching he's even worse he's he's at his worst again starting pitching uh... so it's a matter of getting going early in games getting a couple hits and then then he actually catches fire against bullpen guys uh... and and so yeah i i think he can i i have hope i still have hope uh... if we see another season like last year at the plate

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be really hard for me to have faith and that he can become an offensive plus defensive catcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll see, I mean, this season is a tell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he hit 260 with 15 jacks, he might get drug tested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Double his power out and he would jump his batting average by 30 points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be true, but yeah, yeah, but it's an approach thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you if you're first three or four, let's say, first three at bats of every game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: two at bats three at bats are against a starting pitcher and your numbers were terrible that in in those situations last year and you can improve 50% on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe he does hit 15 home runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to be in this ballpark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to be on the road, probably.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe if he hits six or seven home runs at Oracle, and then he goes on the road and you play in some small ball parks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You do play in Cincinnati, you play in some ball parks where you can hit the ball out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he hit a ball 107 off the bat left handed the other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's something he hasn't done in years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the improvement is already somewhat there in the spring, and he said he has a long ways to go, but again, we have a whole different hitting philosophy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Pat Burrell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, it's, it's, it's men's,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Toronto Blue Jay's hitting philosophy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yes, I'm drinking the coolade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if again, if we haven't all starcatcher not just for his defensive prowess, but he can be an all starcatcher because he's hitting and because he's a defensive wizard beyond the plate, that changes our mindset quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because then like you said, you don't have the automatic out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have that guy hitting in the eight or nine hole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that that's going to be the automatic out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can move runner along.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can hit the ball hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can find the gaps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of kind of keep the, the line moving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Changing the discussion a little bit here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was watching money ball the other day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When's the last time you've seen money ball?

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[SPEAKER_01]: when it first came out probably when did it come out 2006 yeah like mid-2000s so yeah probably around there yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ron Washington or the character of Ron Washington is in that movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a scene where Billy Bean played by Brad Pitt and Ron Washington go to Scott Hattiburg's house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Scott Hattiburg played by pre Guardians of the Galaxy Chris Pratt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the idea is like

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Billy beans like, yeah, you know, don't catch any more your arm is her you can play for space and how it works like You played for space before, you know, that kind of thing and Billy beans like

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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah it's a piece of cake right wash and what a runwatching's character goes no it's ridiculously hard but the idea is that rush wash would help him right wash is the infield coach and he's going to help him become a serviceable first baseman

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I recently watched that over the weekend and I just immediately thought of what Wash is doing with Arise and with Eldridge and Devours and guys like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, Ron Wash is now 73 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's had the health issues of late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that he believes his health issues scared off every other team except for the giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was reading through, I think it was a John shape piece in the San Francisco standard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was talking about some of the old school methods that Ron Washington uses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, wait a second, I used to do that as a middle-in filter when I was a kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The pancake glove.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The pancake glove.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had heard about that in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my dad made a glove, which was a square piece of wood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with a, like a, you know, some sort of glove, you know, a gardening glove.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like glued to it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he stapled it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, guys, they're stapled into the wood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the idea is like if you think of a glove, you know, you can actually move your hand in the glove and you can catch it in the pocket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, with the board,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you actually have to use the second hand to trap the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's so every time you're fielding the ball with this piece of wood, you're using two hands and you're trapping the ball and it gets you in the habit of doing that in the infield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, wow, I haven't heard of anybody doing that in forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he's got poor Luis Arise like he was in the pancake glove out there at second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, this man, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: these got to be looking at this thing on like yeah all right i i trust you gonna roll one up into his teeth and then supposedly he got on brisel judge a little bit and you know maybe probably reald off a uh a word or two that brisest not heard in his uh lifetime of being a top prospect in having coaches probably kisses asked for you know his his whole career but in wash kind of got

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, John Shea had wrote the quote from Eldridge, but it was very funny the way Eldridge, Eldridge such a young guy, the very funny the way he took that feedback as like, no, he's old school, this is positive, that was really funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, the idea of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Washington trying to reshape the defensive prowess of some of these guys is very interesting and you know it's kind of one of those fun stories in spring training where because there's not a whole lot going on and there's not real games you have this these opportunities to tell these stories and that's kind of a cool one to think about just you know as a baseball person you

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, has show hey Otani ever used a pancake glove before like I can't even imagine, you know, it's just this idea of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the fundamentals and you know, Buster Posey kind of attracted to someone like a rise who, you know, most of these teams don't want because it doesn't actually hit for any power and a lot of it is based on Bab app and and and luck and yet the judge were like, nope, like we strike out way too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now we talked to a junk who Lee like he's like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's another way to do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna actually kind of learn under the rise tree here and help my game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's some fun stories like that for the Giants, but I guess my overall question for you is, do these stories exist because the Giants are kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the middle of the road when it comes to actual talent and like, if they were one of the favorites, if they were the Dodgers or the Blue Jays, you're probably not hearing about any of this stuff, they're probably not leaning in the direction, but because they're trying to kind of gain that edge with the roster that they have, I like these stories, but I don't want to be

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to be tricked into like this is going to be great for the team and what it really is is that they just don't have enough talent or as much talent as some of these other teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's kind of a tough one because we've been 500 for a couple of seasons now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're obviously going to take anything right now and say, hey, this could turn into something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you're not going to, you're not going to win, you're not going to trade and get mooky bets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to sign, show hey, Yamamoto, uh, Teasker Hernandez.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what we're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dodgers have already done that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the team that does that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to find different ways to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's trying to pick, hey, a pitching coach from the brewers who always have fantastic pitching, a hitting coach from the blue jays who always have fantastic hitting the best fielding coach on the planet in wash, you know, to get all of these guys together and to try to

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it, now what's your overall question on that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I just wonder if this is kind of buster-pozy magic tricks to get us to stop paying attention to what the real issue is, which is, we can't get the same players that the Dodgers are getting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is just an answer to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is just an answer to, we can't get those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to get those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You and I know that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's the, there's the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the section of people on social media who were like, they got O'Donnie, why didn't we get O'Donnie?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because O'Donnie was going to Los Angeles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to change that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could have given them, uh, I don't know, three but days in the club house, and we're not getting show ha O'Donnie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: same with Yamamoto, same with Sasaki.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was kind of the destiny and that was what was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Buster Posey is just saying, look,

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are our alternatives, but they aren't our alternatives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are our reality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is how we have to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we have to win on the fringes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a score at extra runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't give up outs on the base paths.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't be bad defensively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to make the plays because if you look at it, again,

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[SPEAKER_01]: three wins a way last year from going to the playoffs right and and that that's an option.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to win 84 games every season to make the playoffs like the reds did, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to win probably 87 to 92 games each year to go to the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if the giants could pick up 6, 7, 8 more wins they're in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once you get into the playoffs, if you can build yourself a pitching staff, which I don't think the giants have done this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you can do that going forward,

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[SPEAKER_01]: and build yourself a really, really nasty three-man rotation, four-man rotation if you need it, plus some dirty, dirty bullpen guys, which the giants are trying to do, you know, with hankers and some of the other guys that they picked up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's the giant's game and they're going to use as you see behind me if you're watching the livestream, the ballpark behind me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking at that and you're trying to get everything you can out of your roster in that ballpark,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's, again, not the alternative, I think that's the reality, that's just what we have to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they can come out and say that, though, you and I just have to deduce that from what we've seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Buster Buster Buster is going to come out and say, we can't compete with the Dodgers when it comes to personnel, when it comes to signings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're doing it this way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know it's happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm enjoying it so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The giants are tearing up the cactus league, which doesn't mean jack squat, but still it's fun to watch and it's fun to see your team beat the Dodgers in the spring training game 12 to 2, even though the Dodgers didn't send anybody to spring training that you know in their lineup, but we still got to Yamamoto a little bit,

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[SPEAKER_00]: on the juice he might get extra three wins just with the bat there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay, let's end with this and this is not even really anything other than I saw this note in one of the one of the websites, the 2021 all-star game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you mentioned earlier that we don't have Olympics for baseball, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2028, they're trying to pull that off and they're trying to pull it off with big leaders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's like, it's supposed to be like a six country tournament or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the idea is for the 2028 Olympics, if that happens, where major league baseball players go to the Olympics,

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[SPEAKER_00]: they may push up San Francisco's all star bid to 2028 just because of the proximity to LA because it would be all star break all star game and then that next weekend and then they'd be in LA for the Olympics so just because of the closeness San Francisco would get bumped up to the all star weekend that you're which would

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't know if I really care about the Olympics and baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, you know, we have the world baseball classic, which is kind of like the Olympics in baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that would be a way for San Francisco to get the the whole thing back in that, you know, that would be fun because in last year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the NBA all start game was in San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were at the arena.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did not pay for tickets to go in, but we just kind of wanted to be around the whole area to kind of feel what the vibe was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We walked around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were in San Francisco pretty much all day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We went to a

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[SPEAKER_00]: Went to a ringer life podcast and just hung out in the city and it was just fun kind of being around the thing but the baseball doing it baseball has more events like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe for a hundred bucks, you get in a future's game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you get to see that, you know, maybe, uh, probably the home Renderie at this point may might be even more expensive than the actual whole star game, but like there's there's little events that you can go to and kind of go hang out that would be kind of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably maybe not on that Tuesday because a Tuesday afternoon or a Monday afternoon on a work day in San Francisco, right, not the easiest place to kick it, but that weekend, right, though they would have events at Oracle that weekend, and that would kind of be fun just to be around that experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that might be something that I would look into.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that'd be really cool and to have it back in the Bay Area.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the reason you don't care and I don't care about baseball and the Olympics is because we haven't had that moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Olympic hockey has had 1980.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Olympic basketball has had 1992.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, these years where it was like, oh my god, that was magical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Olympic baseball has not had that because it's a long game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now with the two and a half hour game, it might be a little bit different, especially because we have the WBC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's not Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not playing for your country on a large stage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the world is watching Olympic hockey and basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The world is not necessarily watching the WBC especially.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you're talking, the world cuts soccer, that's the entire world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, everybody is watching that, which is much bigger than soccer in the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is the biggest thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, it is the biggest tournament on the planet and that is the World Cup and that's coming up in June here in the United States.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's pretty, I love soccer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a huge fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Olympic baseball would need to have that moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The WBC is a taste of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It gives us an entry into it of what it could possibly be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and everybody's watching because people who don't normally watch sports will watch the Olympics to have that moment I think that that could possibly grow the game exponentially more than the WBC could.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I think that's the point for Team USA wanting to have a team is for the same reason that, you know, and you mentioned the 92 NBA dream team in the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the whole reason why they did it is because they wanted to expand the global footprint of the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, you know, some of the best players in the NBA are international.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not Americans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Olympics themselves are going to have to take baseball seriously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine though that major league baseball will break up their season if the summer Olympics was in Italy or in Greece or in another country that is outside of the

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[SPEAKER_00]: the NHL is able to make it work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you can actually look to the NHL as a blueprint for how they do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, baseball probably looks at it and kind of what they're nose in the airing on, like, of course, they don't make as much money as we do, or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the NHL is physical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're in a league renaissance right now like the AR the NHL is kind of hot again So they're doing a lot of the right things and they had that that one tournament last year What did they call it the the world?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the nation's, the nation's, the four nations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm a fan, I get my, my Vegas Golden Knights hockey in, but yeah, and they could do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what they did is Wednesday, they came back to play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a full slate of games, put a lot of the guys from the USA team, and the candidate team who played in the final, they didn't play Wednesday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they sat out, Vegas had five guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: who played in the finals for Canada and USA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: None of those guys play, but they still won the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so, you know, there's a little bit of the extra rest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to come from a Sidney Crosby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of the world stars got hurt and he plays for Pittsburgh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he got hurt during the Olympics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, he could get hurt just as easily during a regular game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could expand the rosters for those couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not have the, you know, your prospect from AAA, not have that account for an option like during a regular season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's just there because you need, you know, you need, you could do stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: For hockey it's ingrained.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Olympics is ingrained in hockey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not in baseball so that's the hard part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you playing for in the middle of a very long hot summer season when you go to the Olympics you're playing for your country but what does it really mean to those guys?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's going to be the key is we got to figure that part out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll be back next week and we'll have some WBC to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think Team USA will have played a couple of games already by the time we chat again and yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we have two more shows and then you go on vacation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I'll, I am going to try and have my buddy Draven and we'll do some giant Dodgers stuff, but, uh, sweet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Things are things are coming up quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's going to be Netflix, uh, the 25th before we even know it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't believe we're already here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's we're in the month of the opening of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here we are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that is it from here for Brad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am double G, see you when we see you piece out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.