49ers Pre-Season Primer: Injuries, Pearsall Out & Deebo's Back | We Want Winners

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, come back to we want winners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rod, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have not chatted for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been a while, well, I shared with you what has been going on with for the audience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had, I've been dealing with chronic kidney disease for the last eight years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And finally, my number got called on March on May 11th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I got my transplant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Since then, I, you know, I'm like 90 days past transplant now, and, um, well, it'll be 90 days in two days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, it's been great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I obviously have never had it well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess not necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never had a kidney transplant before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't know what to expect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And being in that community for so long, you hear a bunch of horror stories.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you just never know, well, my story has been awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: met every benchmark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've exceeded every benchmarking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's part of it is due to the fact that I had made a commitment long ago that whenever I got my opportunity that I was going to, that the habits and behaviors that caused my kidneys to fail, not watching what I eat, not exercising, that I eliminated all of that and that

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[SPEAKER_01]: My diabetes would be gone in my A1C prior to transplant was 4.6.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was good there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my blood pressure was right on point still with a minimum dose of medicine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I see all that to say that going into transplant, I was in fairly good shape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that has...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Had a lot to do with the success that I've had and you know the energy is just been off the charts, you know, when things happened to us, you, what is the new normal becomes your normal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The things that I had been dealing with, you know, could I, was, had done a lot of things of travel and, you know, internationally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was running my business somewhat with, you know, I've had days where I just couldn't after dialysis, especially it would be hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you just, I'd beat myself up because, you know, I was whipping out or whatever, but it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's like night and day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you were crazy to think it felt like I was telling my therapist it felt like I had been walking around with a 15 pound backpack on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then I took it off and you look back now, like you're crazy, those expectations that you had for yourself were nuts, you were, you know, you were compromised and I just had, I've always had a hard time thinking of myself and those turns, but it was true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now I can see that now that I am healthy, or and getting better every day that it was just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was asking myself a lot of myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know who needs to hear this, but if you're going through something, you know, my message to you is to be gentle on yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Be gentle with yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And um.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just keep fighting, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it has been great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My energy has soon moved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel and look so much better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are, we're still early in this journey, but I am really grateful and thankful for everybody who has supported me along the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you'd be one of those people because this vehicle and outlet has always given me something to look forward to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are a part of that journey and somebody who deserves thanks for being a part of that journey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm, I'm just happy to hear that everything has been good so far, you know, even though you and I didn't really meet in person until, I think it was that like a a G League Warriors game was like the first time we met in person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From through social media and Robert Ramos is in the chat and he, he mentioned he's been following your journey on social media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like that's how we kind of met was through the old Facebook page and I know that you were dealing with certain things even way back when when we weren't doing a podcast together and it was always like, oh man, you know, hopefully, you know, he gets through this and he can just get better and so to see that and to see you coming out of this in good shape, but also

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mentally, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a, it's a, it's the mental thing, which sometimes can deabilitate us just as much as the physical piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that that's been great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad that we can do this, um, in stay and touch this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and the other thing, I'm kind of jealous because you got to meet Chuck D. Wow, that was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My brother is a record producer for those of you guys who obviously, why would you know that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and he has been working with the hardest since he's been a long time, collaborator of his, and, you know, they've been making music.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Were they in the 2000s, they had a nice little run, and, you know, in their 50s, they decided to take another shot at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this, probably they've put out three projects now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and EP, a full album, and then album of remixes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it has been, it's not, you know, like billboard type stuff, but it's underground, hip-hop kind of what we listen to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's done great on the college charts and in underground circles, it has been taken up steam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well,

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[SPEAKER_01]: For those of you don't know Chuck D, who was a leader of public enemy and rock and roll Hall of Famer, he has a record, I mean a radio show that has been picked up subsequently by serious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to be launching a serious version of his web show in September.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to the streets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Earl's manager, who is the rapper, he reached out to somebody at Chuck D's radio and sent him a copy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He liked it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Went to Chuck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, have you heard this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, I've been listening to this for three months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: The interaction in Earl and Reese my brother, Furious Evans, is his producer name, went on the radio show several times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were working on the second full-length album.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the hooks was like perfect for Chuck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And me and him were talking about it and he put it out in the air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be great if Chuck B was on this record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: got to him won't make it a lost or a short he asked Chuck did it for free.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, he didn't charge anything for the hook.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he called Earl's manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, look, because Earl lives in New York, we're in Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, look, we're on tour with

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[SPEAKER_01]: you guys want to come out and we can shoot the video.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we made it happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, you know, I'm kind of still on travel restriction, but I went in and I was like, here's a situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't miss it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to be there for this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we went and it was wonderful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the old saying about and we'll get to football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Y'all I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we haven't really talked about not meeting your heroes you don't want to meet your heroes well that was the exact opposite he was such a cool dude all the way from the beginning to the end and like so we they shot the video

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[SPEAKER_01]: I gave him a pound, and so I'm gonna play it cool because, you know, I'm not gonna be gusting and telling him how much he meant to my growth and development, so I just gave him a pound moved on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we go to dinner, we're going to a restaurant for dinner, his party walks in, they have a private room, we don't have reservations, so we're just trying to get in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One thing leads to another week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eat dinner in their private room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not at the same table, but because it was his birthday nonetheless and he's there was and he's there with his daughters and his team and but he's talking back and forth to us throughout the meal about here, because my both the wrap my brother and Earl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: our huge hip hop nerds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're talking back, they're talking back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just listening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was like, the evenings over is a wonderful evening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he walks, he's leaving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, the universe is giving you a second opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, we're going to have a two-four minute check.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I told him, you know, how,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Their records were very, very instrumental and my growth and development as a man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of the things that I am came from directly from the research and the lyrics that was in every music and I researched that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, kind of became a part of who I was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like very gracious and then subsequently went on to talk to the table us three, particularly for the next hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They came in three times as daughters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had went and picked them up from Long Island.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he had to drive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was driving them back that night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they came in three times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to pull him away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was so giving and generous for this time and his wisdom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the highlights of my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was cool with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're a little younger than me, but it resonated with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was, it was a very memorable five days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, we spent the rest of the rest of the time in New York, which was my first time there, which was bananas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm definitely going back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know how I would like it, but I loved it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hi, everyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed my time there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get sorry for you guys for you, nine or fans who may not be completely aware of public enemy or check the he's like when it comes to like influential folks in hip hop like he's he's amount rush more kind of guy so that that's great like I love stuff like that just and when you show me the picture I was like what the hell what is going on here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, let's ease into the 40-anter stuff and we'll start with some really, really like heartwarming stuff for old heads is we got to see Roger Craig go in the Hall of Fame and you know coming out of that there was some sadness because Roger talked about his

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[SPEAKER_00]: symptoms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot that I forgot the the name of of what he called his situation, but essentially from his concussions, he's having some some troubles, but you know Roger Craig, his spirit and his just how

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[SPEAKER_00]: The positive his outlook generally is, and you saw his reaction when Ronnie Lot went to his door to tell him that he was going to make the Hall of Fame like his nickname back in the day was catfish, because his eyes would get super big when he would get the ball, and he was scanning the field, looking for holes to run through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you saw catfish come out of him when he got the call and they knocked on the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's so cool to see somebody who I grew up watching playful ball and, you know, just watched, you know, the second he was on the Niners until the end he was on the Niners I probably watched every single game that he played so it was just so cool to see that another nine or in the Hall of Fame and then you got to see the photo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With all the nine or the nine or players who are Hall of Famous, he saw Jerry and Joe and Steve and Ronnie in the photo together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was that was church tremendous potent potables said it's a vascular vascular dementia is is the term.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that was fantastic and, you know, in the preseason so far, I don't know how Forty Annars feel, but it's kind of like, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, is this happening again with the injuries, but at least, you know, the kickoff to this whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a memory of what we grew up with in the teams that we got to see and the players that we got it took Roger like 28 years to get in the Hall of Fame is like insane for the level of player that he was for the time that he was on the 49er so what did you what did you think ultimately about seeing all that stuff over the weekend it was great and it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've parted a lot of faculty over the years because of my stance on Roger Craig.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I watched him, I watched his entire career for 49ers, and he was a great 49er.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the analytical part of me is like, look, if Roger Craig makes all of it, it's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to call it robbery, if he doesn't, is

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's overstating things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His case, what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he had three really good years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of the nine, you had those three years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it wasn't very much after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it his peak was he at a Hall of Famer, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that just kind of depends on the voters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you, are we just looking at the peak?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always felt like if you start talking about peak guys, there's a lot of other conversations that get to have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't have a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy for Roger Creek, especially hearing what he's dealing with, what the price that he's paying afterwards for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's wonderful that he was able to number one, be a Hall of Famer and to be with us to enjoy that with his family and his teammates.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of my previous skepticism aside, I'm glad, pleasantly surprised that he was honored.

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[SPEAKER_01]: goes in and it like you intimated, it makes you remember how fortunate we were to be a part of that era as fans because there's a whole generation who came after us who don't know anything about what it's like to be to win one championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've been in the mix, but um, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: five in 23 years is crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, um, you know, it's hard to duplicate that, um, and you'll say he was, he was a critical part of that, um, history making and it's good to see him be rewarded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, the argument, part of part of the argument, not the only argument.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is how they use him because the 49ers used him in a specific way that a lot of running backs weren't utilized back back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if you look at

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[SPEAKER_00]: somebody like Christian McAfrey today, how he's used, you look at somebody like Marshall folk and how he was used, like Roger Craig is kind of like one of the godfathers of the multiple threat running back who also was able to catch the ball to the backfield and then people forget.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he started his career with 49ers as the actual fullback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wendell Tyler was the running back and Roger is blocking for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, that when it came to protecting his own quarterback would need be, he was also going to be good at that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, the God he stats, he had him for like two or three years and and they weren't always there after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then also he kind of went downhill very quickly and a lot of that is from the wear and tear of how much of a, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a force he was in their offense and his hard running style didn't help you know he was not a guy who shot away from contact um which

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, people laugh at or derided somebody like Franco Harris for running out of bounds, but as we know now, that kind of preservation, you know, especially those high contact positions, is, you know, it's not what we talk about as tough, but it's smart to not take as many physical, you know, as many hits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The viewer hits you can take,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the better, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's really, I'm glad to see me and that's the part that you really can't argue is it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wolf is scheme and Roger creates talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is one of the forefathers of the type of multiple running backs that we see today with Christian and B. John and and the like you go on down the list, you know, it is now for you to be considered in a lead in a way that it wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In Roger Craig's era, you have to be considered elite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be a full, you have to be a running baggie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You look at somebody like Christian McCaffrey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a direct descending not not only because he plays on the 49ers but just in style of play is a descendant of the create kind of style whereas you look at somebody like Derek Henry he's a throwback to before that that you don't expect anything out of him in the passing game but you know you might get 2,000 yards from him that that is how guys like Eric Dickerson and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, guys from the past, that was the running back position before Roger Craig.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, that has to be I'm sure if you were going to make the case even for the past 28 years, if you're going to making the case for Roger Craig, his impact on the game beyond his statistical profile has to be a part of if you're if you're arguing for him, that has to be part of the argument is that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I guess we should start with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The injury bug because I think that's on a lot of 49er's fans mind after what they went through last year, or after what we went through last year as fans, but the team went through last year with the injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this season, lots of guys are already dinged up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They lost Ricky Purcell already and he, I don't even know how he actually got hurt in practice,

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[SPEAKER_00]: PCL injuries getting surgery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's your your number two receiver right out of the gate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just not going to have him this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't I don't know how what people think, but, you know, with with these early injuries with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why receiver man you, you know, unless you're just the super route runner possession guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's tough for him to be going at what will he be by the time he could be like 27 years old or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And come back and miss the entire year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I highly doubt the nighters pick up his his option on that because how can you, how can you depend on him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but what it did was it allowed them to bring back Debo, uh, I don't, you know, it in the part, if like you were to think about this in the perfect scenario, like the what's the perfect pretty Ricky season versus what you would expect at a Debo, uh, I think the 49ers themselves probably, if Ricky was healthy, probably had some big ideas for what he could do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we kind of have seen the best of Debo, and we've also seen what an average Debo season is like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if it's a perfect trade off, but at least you bring back somebody who understands the offense completely, and you can just plug them right in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, we know that when he is in shape and when he is inspired, he's going to be better than then maybe when he's frustrated and it does look like he is in really good shape and he's got something to prove.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What were your thoughts on Pierce all going down and then then bringing back Debo?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really, unfortunately, it seems like this is something

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[SPEAKER_01]: for some time now, and they gamble, they try to make the truck, you know, I'm not gonna tell anybody, if they say they would prefer not to have surgery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I'd prefer not to have surgery too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm having a doctor tell me that if we rehab it, there's a good chance that, you know, we can avoid surgery, we do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: day gamble and they lost and so now he is going to have to have the surgery and willfully he's able to just for him for his sake he's able to fully recover play that fourth year and hopefully have a good year for him to be able to continue his career and maybe get that bigger

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[SPEAKER_01]: even as we were the most optimistic among us, it was gonna be relying on Ricky, Kirstal to be your wide receiver too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're asking a lot for somebody who just simply, they have been, they have managed to build a room that is either guys who are past their prime

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[SPEAKER_01]: injury histories or young guys who have no track record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's, it's, it's, it is a very tenuous room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the fact that Mike Evans and Christian Kirk or her, it should be of surprise

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to be the asshole that I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never went when the faithful were calling him a cancer in a diva because he wanted his money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still love diva.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now all of a sudden that's all forgotten how to use back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I loved him all along.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we all saw last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If people is your number one, you've got a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just not, he's not that type of receiver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's best works underneath and you're able to, if you have a X or a number of a true Y, Y receiver one,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's able to take me off of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not the guy who's going to, he's not going to get you 120 targets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just not who Dbo is at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's who he ever was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here we are with Mike Evans who I am not surprised that when he is out there, he looks different than anybody we've,

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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe ever had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's 33 years old and he hasn't played a full season in three years and he's missed more games than he's played over the past two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So at 33 years old, making a gamble that he's going to be your centerpiece is kind of, it's a

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if he's going to be hurt, you'd rather be hurt during this time of year and be fully healthy, you know, in December and January, just hope with him not being healthy early, that those games in December and January mean anything, we, I don't think we talked about like scribbling and the young guys, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm very pessimistic about cowling and scribbling, not because they aren't talented athletes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched all the tape I could on scribbling before the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I saw was a guided lane scheme, everything that he did good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lane scheme did up for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Historically, it just doesn't work in it and I feel those guys across the line, the defensive coordinators and the corner back are professionals and they get paid to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be hard for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just as a rookie, it's hard just in general.

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[SPEAKER_01]: With his game, it's going to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's put in a position where they have to rely on him early, number one, that kind of goes against everything we know about Kyle Shannon and the way he operates, then he's got to figure out the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I wish we started somewhere else and somewhere else that I'm more positive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought that probably started with Roger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just think the why receiver room is a mess under the best of scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be you need a lot of really good things to happen for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to need one of Jordan Watkins or Jacob Cowling to play above expectation is what you're going to need.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Demark is Robinson to actually contribute in some ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are tough asks, I think, though, just when it comes to luck, like one out of those three, that's not asking for too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just if you need all three, then that's a tough ask.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, coming out of camp, you're hearing nothing, but good things about him, but we know that Kyle does not trust rookie wide receivers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if he, if dribbling does have a good year, it's because he is the outlier to what normally happens with with these wide receivers, these young wide receivers, if you were to make a bet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on one of these guys to actually kind of pop out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned Robinson Watkins County, Junior Bergen, Malik Turner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there anybody who you're like, you know, that guy, I would not be surprised if he actually broke out and became something on this team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Marcus Robinson is a solid pro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, all the things that you need,

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[SPEAKER_01]: from a replacement level wide receiver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can give you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He runs good routes and he had a couple pretty good games last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that you don't, he's not a guide that you want to be in a position where you're feeding and targets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing that we need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need somebody who

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[SPEAKER_01]: is that you can just write in pin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the guy who's going to get eight targets a game and then you move down from there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I both Evans and Kirk are good players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are good players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are both older.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but they both have track records of being productive in the league when they're healthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, like I said, my Kevin's is a hallfamer and he presents the type of frame that I don't think we've ever had anybody quite as big as him ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: JJ Stokes comes to mind but he's nowhere near the player that my Kevin's is

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, I've been jokingly saying Mike Evans has been Mike Evans since 2023.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, but if you can give us something even just in the red zone, but the question with him and Kirk is going to be how many games can you get from him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you get 17 games between the two of them?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that would be great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ideally, you could get 12 games out of each of those guys, and I feel a lot better with either one of them out on the field with Debo and any of those other suspects that you talked about as a third.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where the, um, the peer saw injury really hurts because if,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if one has anything to do with the other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Debo was here, because Pierce saw it was gone or if that was something that could have happened in addition to, but if you were able to get, please together a 17 game season from the likes of an Evans and a curve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Between the two of them, you get one Y receiver one, you got Debo, and then Pierce

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dbo being the three, but okay, and this is all hypothetical and doesn't even matter now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You feel, I feel a lot better about that than trying to hope that one of these other guys is going to step up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't really feel great about, um, I feel much better about

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, we just haven't seen enough for countings or walk-ins or any of these guys really to, um, to, to reasonably rely on that and then I don't, scribbling is a very good athlete and I don't have no doubt that Kyle can scheme him open looks, like he was able to do

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[SPEAKER_01]: many many years what I don't know about scribbling is the scouting report says that he is a willing blocker that doesn't mean he's a competent blocker so and we all know that you're not going to be able to get on the field with Kyle Shanahan if you can't be a

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[SPEAKER_01]: serviceable locker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's going to be that's what I'm going to be looking for even more so than any kind of production from him in the preseason is to see if he is able to compete at this level as a blocker because I think that is going to be the determinant of how

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[SPEAKER_01]: to what they do here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I try to look at that position with a glass half full, but you just like you said, you need like you really do need like two of those guys to hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It be contributors for you to feel really good about the circumstance and what I'm hoping is that we aren't

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[SPEAKER_01]: the waiver, I mean, at the, you know, at cut time, trying to figure out, that's the worst case in areas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It means that none of those guys were able to hit and we're out here trying to pick up somebody who couldn't make it somewhere else to be a contributor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope one of those guys pops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess Malik Turner of all of them has the most pedigree of any of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: him and Robinson have actually done some things in the lead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I guess if we're one of that if you were thinking to think one of one who would pop my money if I was going to bet it would be on one of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what we'll see hopefully the young guys can, you know, he can surprise me and one of those young guys can come up and step in and be ready to make a contribution.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's look at the defense here, Rahim Morris, aka radio Rahim, he's taken over the defense and the Niners are just in this mode of, you know, defense coordinator comes to their team and they're putting some stuff on on tape because they want to be head coaches and he's going to be in the same boat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is different about what he is doing than his predecessors with the defense?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is, first and foremost, I guess, kind of like, kind of like, see, Wilkes, he is, you know, his calling card are his defensive backs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it doesn't surprise me to hear that pre-sot has looked good in that Bernardo Green and Dimo is a good player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't surprise me at all that they are really looking good in early practices with the more aggressive coverage concepts that more is tends to run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just got to go back for a second in that the comparison is he'll cause he's accomplished some stuff right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He Morris is a very accomplished defensive coordinator, one championship and in the lineage of 49 or defensive coordinators, we've had some great ones, but I can't say I don't think I've ever witnessed

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[SPEAKER_01]: a defense called the way Sala was able to do last season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, see if it has some great season, because he also had great teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had Fangeo, Samaly, great defenses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's OG, he has been a real innovator in two of the style that is in fashion in the league now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was great here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen anybody do more with less than solid was able to do with last season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, at towards the end, it was just crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he had a bunch of guys that were just out there and he and his news conference was a really admit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, we are not going to, the stats aren't going to look good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to give up a lot of yards, and what we're just trying to do is stay manageable on first and second down and win third down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not not give up a crazy insane big plays, keep everything in front of you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was able to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It, you know, like you said, he was able to earn himself another hand coaching job with the coaching job that he did here, um, the defense is going to look a lot different under, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Morris, if the talent allows it to, he wants to be real aggressive in the, from the back in, which is different from how this defense has worked in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The defense of back job have been to stay in phase for two and a half seconds, because the defense previously was built.

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[SPEAKER_01]: up front back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All the money was spent up front and the idea is that we're going to get pressure and those guys don't have to do very much and you don't have to pay them very much because all they have to do is stay in phase.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need, we're not asking them to make a whole bunch of plays, interceptions in the light.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, with Morris, he's going to

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's being tasked with trying to figure out the past rush, which partially had to do with injuries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that we were the worst and just about every past rush category, no demand last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just weren't very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we went into the season with the knowledge that everything was going to revolve around there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The hope is that Nick is wrecking games and blocking follows Nick and then the other guys are able to keep off of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We knew that coming into the league that Williams was not a past Rashidim and in college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got Oso, which cool is I'm working on this last name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I'm still working on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna have it by the end of the season, by the beginning of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna be able to call in by this name because it's kind of racist not to be able to switch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm gonna be gonna be a lot of double O's this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, yeah, I believe so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that will help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're gonna, you know, I'm not, you know, you're seeing on the blogs and on Facebook.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All this talk about fighting and halting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know how much you can count on rookies in their first years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And both of those guys are really situational past rushers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even at best,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're going to, you know, you do at best what you're going to end up with is like a Ferrari package for those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They will kind of be like a mini Hugh and, um, and with Samson, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, they were, they'd come in on third downs and that was the Ferrari package and they would, you know, basically just pin their ears back and rush to pass her ideally that's the best case scenario for those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Michael Williams comes back and he shows us some growth because the number while he didn't produce really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: anything great with the past rush.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's no denying the past rush numbers were better with him there than they were once he left and there might be other reasons for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But hopefully he'll be able to and I don't even think he's been cleared yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that you know, it looks like they're

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[SPEAKER_01]: than they did at the end of the last season, which is not very hard at all, because they were kind of operating on fumes by the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm cautiously optimistic that the defense is going to be able to keep us in-games willfully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they're going to try and create more sacks, more turnovers, which is a little bit of the opposite of how they had to play last year with keeping everything in front.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there might be some busted plays just because of the aggressiveness, but like you said, the talent should hopefully make up for some of that if you have, if you have more talent on the actual field

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[SPEAKER_00]: twisted in the wrong direction and this dude was almost back in the playoffs and so he's back obviously both said the anchor there on the defensive line and and some of these are some of the other guys and one of those other guys is Drake Greenlaw being back which is cool to see though you do worry a little bit about his health because of of the Achilles that that we remember from the Super Bowl and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know him dealing with leg stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, hopeful crossing fingers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got debo returning on the offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got Drake Greenlaw returning on the defense from like a juju standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a, that's a lot of goodwill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot of good memories coming back to the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just hope it is still good versions of those players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Green Law, my sister-in-law is a Denver Broncos fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I watched every Bronco game last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when he was out there, he was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was really, really still, you know, one of the best linebackers at his position, you know, that that, that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the number two lineback or the weak side lineback, whatever you want to call it, he was one of the best in the league, but he only played, he like miss eight games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the tradeoff is that when he's out there, he's able to really still play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at a really high level and he's not and he's going 110 miles an hour every single stink you know play and so that that is part of the reason why he can be hurt is because he's just everything is full speed absolutely absolutely he's exactly how you want to play but that's the case 22 because there were times last year that I thought think he could have played for the Broncos but they were trying to you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: for us in the park in the NBA fans, they were trying to load management and load management.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Load management to get him, because they knew what they were trying to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they were trying to be playing in February and it would have been nice to have him available for those games, even if it means sacrificing him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: early in the season, but it didn't work out because you didn't get hurt anyway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, that's what we're hoping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then because the question, there's still question marks like behind him with, you know, D winners who obviously was sort of a disappointment, but I think just a disappointment when you looked at because physically he's he was

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before he was injured, he was already one of the best coverage linebackers in the league, and he stole some signs of what the numbers didn't necessarily bear it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Analytically, on the field, you could see that he was becoming more aggressive and more green

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to make a decision and they decided that once green law came back, you know, I caught a lot of facts for that for green those tea leaves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no way hell this dude is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be a $4 million middle line back or three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That guy doesn't exist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't pay that guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoever that is on your team, he doesn't make that much money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So as soon as Greenlaw came and you knew he wasn't signing here to be nobody's backup, that was a clear indication that they had made their decision on Drag Greenlaw, let me tell you on

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[SPEAKER_01]: DeWinners and so we have a young talented player going out the building and all those guys behind him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tate of the Thune, Nick Martin, who's the other guy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We played a lot last season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, the one of those guys needs to step up and talk about our guide Luke, are you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I would.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Luke is going to be here because he's a good special team's player, but no, I don't want to see Luke out there anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or care while over that matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see either of those guys out there if they can

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Martin has all of the recklessly talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never heard the story as to why Salah didn't see, didn't see fit to give him much run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he did a good job on special teams as well, but with all the injuries you would have thought that

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[SPEAKER_00]: he would have gotten more run at linebacker but wasn't he also injured I seem to remember like

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[SPEAKER_00]: he was dealing was he dealing with a concussion or a neck thing that was something going on there with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That could have that could be because it was, you know, I lost track because, you know, we were dealing with snowy mutting injuries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, shit, he is, I just pulled up the, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So gracious to remind of me to pull up and like who is the number two on the depth chart right now is our guy Luke Gifford make more of this forstring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow him and Jalen Graham are pulling up the rear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's um.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know if that's a motivational tactic or if that is really how they feel about him, but that's that's disappointing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine they would be happy about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully you maybe that's just a motivation or more ways for tactic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll hopefully, they're able to get out there and both him and Graham are athletically talented guys, but yeah, hopefully they'll get a shot to, um, because you know, while they'll anger for making those, that's rough for Janet's rough, that those guys are

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[SPEAKER_01]: Green or Warner and Warner is just he's such a any racer his presence is gonna make us better Just by osmosis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just such a great player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad to see him Back out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure the coaches are too All right, before we talk a little bit about what was

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the odd story of this of this pre-season so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wanted to shout out Shelvin, who was in the chat, and also our good buddy Rick Feinberg, who is hangin' in the chat as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I haven't, you know, because I'm not on Facebook, I don't see a lot of the old school Facebook page people, and one of those is Rick, so it's great to see Rick in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about this Kyle Shanahan story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I actually was following from the beginning and not not even really knowing what was going on because Tim Kawakami says that he has a special guest on his podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that next podcast, it's like a Q&A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, oh, something must have happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even, I think even mentioned on on that Q&A podcast that, yeah, something fell through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we hear,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that Shanahan, the nine or seven announcement about Shanahan and and Calacami said like he only knew that Shanahan couldn't come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They they do a yearly podcast before the season starts every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I guess he found out like a little while before the announcement that Shanahan and Shanahan had been in a car accident.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that information was able to kind of stay out of the news for a little while until the 49ers literally had to announce it themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the early details came out that Shanahan somehow got hit by someone making a bad turn and it was a young person and this and that and Shanahan actually had to come out and say no's actually my fault like the the Palo Alto police department got it wrong on the right up like I was the one that caused the injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then it came out that he was his cell phone had fallen and we've all been there where your cell phone slides around in your car and he went to go pick it up and he looks up and he's not driving and you know the in in the direction he's supposed to be driving or veering or whatever it is and then it comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that he's driving a Tesla and he has the auto pilot function on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never driven a Tesla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will never buy a Tesla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't even know what that is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said he's used it many times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he thinks either he may have accidentally turned it off or it malfunction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I'm Elon Musk, I kind of want to investigate that because my man called out your car like a pretty big story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: this is like a wild story in a in a last you know the last few years they've had this injury bug and now their head coach

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[SPEAKER_00]: is in it gets an injury and his orbital bone and this and that and he's got concussions and he he it's hard for him to study film and all of this stuff and I'm like oh my gosh like talk about the the franchise just being snake bit now it sounds like shanahan is is doing much better so I don't want to make a light of his injuries and the woman who was in the accident with him I don't think she had any injury so I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: But man, what a wild story to come into the season with, where your head coach is unable to be a head coach, because he's suffering from concussion symptoms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a wild story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, you hear, you know, I wasn't following you as closely, but you know, I saw the retraction and what had megasern is what I did see was, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, McVay kind of look a little shook when he was talking about what it happened and um, you know, just that um.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he shared that it was either him or Sims because both of them were real close to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Sims.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, one of them disclosed said, you know, he almost lost an eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, I think it was Sims because Florio went after Calacami.

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[SPEAKER_00]: saying that Calcami knew the story and didn't report it because the 49ers didn't want him to report it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Calcami said, I didn't know the story until right before everyone else knew, I was covering, you know, LeBron, like I didn't write it up at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Calcami said to

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[SPEAKER_00]: your podcast partner is best friends with Kyle Shanahan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to throw somebody under the bus for not getting that news out, like look in your own direction, buddy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there was this back and forth going on between.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he clearly knew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he clearly knew what had happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't mean here because he talked about how him and his wife both, you know, I mean, if he's best friend, you know, their family, you know, so he's his family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows he was on the short list of when Kyle's wife made the calls to the people that she needed to tell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so we can't count on me right again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're gonna, if you're gonna buzz balls about breaking stories, you guys had to story, probably had it before anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And um, so yeah, but I, you know, to give some some great stats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is definitely a great area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, you're worried.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, oh my gosh, what's going to happen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, it's more, if you're going to buzz balls like that then, you know, let's tell the whole story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's, um, I am glad, obviously I'm glad that it, it looks like he has made enough of recovery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if, if

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[SPEAKER_01]: that is reporting that I saw and that's a rumor that he's going to coach on I think it was out of his mouth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says that he wants to and thinks he's going to be there on Thursday coaching against the the Titans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, again, like I'm sure as we know with concussions, things seem to change on the daily and you can get better and you can get worse and get better and

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[SPEAKER_00]: with him having and he may have experienced concussion symptoms before I don't know from his playing days in high school in college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But talk about your head coach having these symptoms and, you know, you as a player, I think I think the Niners, you know, are probably going to make sure they cover all ends with with players and head trauma like your head coach is

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess so looking forward to Thursday, their first game, the season, the preseason is essentially three games and they're all on consecutive Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those of you who are into the preseason and watch all the preseason games, Thursday evening, you're going to get your fix of a preseason

59:28.467 --> 59:39.031
[SPEAKER_00]: my preseason football viewing is waiting until the game is almost over so I can fast forward through a lot of the nonsense and get the meat and potatoes in about, you know, six or three minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so you and I will be back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably we haven't talked about this, but I, this seems to be a pretty good window, um, at least for me right now Sunday, Sunday evening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to cover the Thursday game, we probably won't be able to come back Thursday night,

59:58.059 --> 01:00:02.468
[SPEAKER_00]: Sunday, Sunday night, maybe we do something like this and just kind of cover those games.

01:00:02.889 --> 01:00:04.232
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they have a break.

01:00:05.635 --> 01:00:09.442
[SPEAKER_00]: And then talk about insanity for this year.

01:00:10.707 --> 01:00:17.688
[SPEAKER_00]: They go to Australia, so they have a two week, so they play the Raiders on the August 27th, that'll be their third preseason game.

01:00:18.589 --> 01:00:23.210
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they open up the season on a Thursday, is it a Wednesday or a Thursday?

01:00:23.250 --> 01:00:24.090
[SPEAKER_00]: So Thursday next year.

01:00:24.250 --> 01:00:27.190
[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be a Wednesday.

01:00:27.510 --> 01:00:32.651
[SPEAKER_01]: When I think Seattle is still, still goes first and they play on Wednesday.

01:00:33.012 --> 01:00:35.012
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and then the 49ers are Thursday.

01:00:36.112 --> 01:00:40.113
[SPEAKER_00]: And they're in Australia, so you have the long,

01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:56.725
[SPEAKER_00]: The long plane ride up and back and, you know, hopefully the travel is okay, they're going to be playing the next weekend, but hopefully by playing on Thursday, they get a little bit of some breathing room before they got to play again.

01:00:57.385 --> 01:01:03.648
[SPEAKER_00]: But man, talk about starting your season in an interesting place, I don't think we would even know like,

01:01:04.908 --> 01:01:09.932
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I know that NFL has had international games early in the season.

01:01:10.092 --> 01:01:13.994
[SPEAKER_00]: Have they ever opened up the season this far away from the U.S.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see what goes on here.

01:01:16.496 --> 01:01:22.761
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, that Netflix money must be good in order to sacrifice two of your

01:01:32.420 --> 01:01:33.421
[SPEAKER_00]: They are.

01:01:34.062 --> 01:01:42.228
[SPEAKER_00]: But as we know from the competition, Shanahan and McVade, they play each other very well no matter which team is the better team.

01:01:42.288 --> 01:01:49.234
[SPEAKER_00]: So I imagine we're going to get a similar game of competitiveness and probably a pretty close game to open the season.

01:01:49.895 --> 01:02:00.763
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, if there are already excuses written, if the 49ers don't come out of the gate strong or if they suffer some things early and it kind of

01:02:01.582 --> 01:02:22.615
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, veers their season in the wrong direction, but I hope that they they kind of like you just deal with it and then you get home and you get back to business and it's a long season and I just I want to see just like

01:02:24.269 --> 01:02:33.939
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess like that that those excuse like I don't want to I don't want to hear about the excuse I don't want to see him like it's early enough in the season get your game and maybe you treat it like a fourth preseason game.

01:02:34.019 --> 01:02:43.588
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know maybe you know how that works, but you know there's so much in front of them and I just hope that that opening week goes off without a hitch.

01:02:45.375 --> 01:02:51.460
[SPEAKER_01]: the geek in me is really interesting to see how they handle the travel.

01:02:51.840 --> 01:02:55.323
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if it were me, I would want to go early.

01:02:55.924 --> 01:03:04.891
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd want to get there, get acclimated, and so I wouldn't, you know, it's so far, Australia is so far away.

01:03:05.031 --> 01:03:09.434
[SPEAKER_01]: I was planning, I was trying to figure out how I could make

01:03:11.377 --> 01:03:16.320
[SPEAKER_01]: pre-transplant was killed all in a national travel into the end of the year.

01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:20.042
[SPEAKER_01]: I've kind of got my fingers crossed from maybe Mexico City.

01:03:20.082 --> 01:03:25.766
[SPEAKER_01]: I might be able to be cleared by then, but it's a long trip.

01:03:26.526 --> 01:03:30.909
[SPEAKER_01]: And so even if they come home right after the game,

01:03:34.543 --> 01:03:38.845
[SPEAKER_01]: you're going to be looking like, you know, I know they provide private privacy.

01:03:38.865 --> 01:03:47.409
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're looking at late Friday early Saturday morning when they get back on our time.

01:03:48.410 --> 01:03:51.151
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so that should be fine.

01:03:51.171 --> 01:03:57.395
[SPEAKER_01]: Now again, it's going to be interesting to see if they just, if they show up on Monday

01:04:03.573 --> 01:04:25.972
[SPEAKER_01]: I find those kind of logistics fascinating because there's something to be said about how when you're traveling, if you want to increase performance and reduce jet lag, the amount of time that you spend there, the more time you spend there, the better, but I don't know.

01:04:30.113 --> 01:04:34.574
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, since that they've never played that far.

01:04:34.975 --> 01:04:36.755
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I don't know what to do.

01:04:36.795 --> 01:04:45.278
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that Australia is a further trip than any other than England and Germany.

01:04:45.618 --> 01:04:47.098
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, way further.

01:04:47.658 --> 01:04:47.938
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:04:48.279 --> 01:04:52.680
[SPEAKER_01]: And Saul Pollo, all the places that they played, I've got a pretty good handle.

01:04:53.292 --> 01:05:09.029
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're all those place Archio you know geographically Australia is like off the way off the town down there so that's going to be interesting but you can see that they value.

01:05:10.375 --> 01:05:21.483
[SPEAKER_01]: entry into that market because like you said they're they're they did not send the cardinals and the browns for that showcase matchup.

01:05:21.503 --> 01:05:34.432
[SPEAKER_01]: They sent to with their best teams that's in that one of their best one of their best pieces of inventory for the season for what I am good the Rams had the choice of a opponent

01:05:39.097 --> 01:05:40.180
[SPEAKER_00]: that were removing.

01:05:40.420 --> 01:05:41.864
[SPEAKER_00]: So you picked the opponent.

01:05:41.944 --> 01:05:43.828
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it had to be in their division.

01:05:44.825 --> 01:05:51.627
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were like nine or so like we would rather play them in Australia than play them in our own home.

01:05:51.787 --> 01:05:52.087
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:05:52.107 --> 01:06:13.074
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it has to take over the entire play that that can't that has to be embarrassing that the all the measures they have to go through to try to ensure that the crowd is even remotely close and they still can't do it because that's one thing you can say

01:06:15.227 --> 01:06:22.394
[SPEAKER_01]: What I'll say is my experience is that nine of fans on the internet are way different to nine of fans in like real life.

01:06:22.814 --> 01:06:26.257
[SPEAKER_01]: They, we support our team every time.

01:06:26.478 --> 01:06:28.279
[SPEAKER_01]: I could afford a long time there.

01:06:28.319 --> 01:06:31.122
[SPEAKER_01]: I was, wasn't really dealing with jazz.

01:06:31.162 --> 01:06:32.964
[SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't trying to give him any more money.

01:06:33.024 --> 01:06:39.610
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I would go to games, I would go to road games and boy, I tell you what,

01:06:40.448 --> 01:06:42.449
[SPEAKER_01]: nine of fans travel.

01:06:42.629 --> 01:06:42.889
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:06:43.069 --> 01:06:47.070
[SPEAKER_01]: It was so fun in Mexico City this last the last time I went.

01:06:47.630 --> 01:06:51.871
[SPEAKER_01]: My hotel was full of nine of fans and they're going to be there again this year right.

01:06:52.231 --> 01:06:52.451
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

01:06:52.751 --> 01:06:52.971
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

01:06:53.231 --> 01:06:58.733
[SPEAKER_01]: That that and that's a wonderful trip if you can any fans can put their shackles together.

01:07:01.008 --> 01:07:02.249
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a blast.

01:07:02.469 --> 01:07:09.712
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a barbecue place called Pinchie Gringo that is like the 49 World, at least his last time was 49 of headquarters.

01:07:09.772 --> 01:07:11.212
[SPEAKER_01]: It was something going on there.

01:07:11.953 --> 01:07:24.958
[SPEAKER_01]: Every night was 49 or alumni and wives and um just as a pillow was in the mix every night down there holding court and it was really fun and just to see

01:07:26.192 --> 01:07:28.333
[SPEAKER_01]: all of the nine of fans, you know what I was there.

01:07:28.353 --> 01:07:30.714
[SPEAKER_01]: I was doing tours and stuff during the weekend.

01:07:31.174 --> 01:07:34.736
[SPEAKER_01]: There were nine of your ages and nine of her hats and nine of t-shirts everywhere.

01:07:34.756 --> 01:07:41.799
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just so much fun to, um, and everybody was, oh, when you see each other, everybody was always cool.

01:07:41.839 --> 01:07:44.601
[SPEAKER_01]: We was no drama or anything.

01:07:44.781 --> 01:07:45.321
[SPEAKER_01]: And, um,

01:07:45.984 --> 01:07:50.067
[SPEAKER_01]: I got to the point that by Friday I was like just randomly taking pictures.

01:07:50.127 --> 01:08:00.875
[SPEAKER_01]: I got like a file for the pictures with just random nighter fans who was coming up and put their arm around you and and and want to sell to me.

01:08:01.056 --> 01:08:03.337
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we are a great fan base.

01:08:03.357 --> 01:08:09.462
[SPEAKER_01]: So it doesn't surprise me get the rams are like, yeah, if we could not have them show up

01:08:16.307 --> 01:08:18.689
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we're gonna end it here now.

01:08:18.749 --> 01:08:25.734
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't get to everything, but we're gonna have many, many weeks before this season starts to kind of talk about the week to week stuff.

01:08:26.735 --> 01:08:31.519
[SPEAKER_00]: Is there anything you wanted to hit that was urgent before we get back together next week?

01:08:32.579 --> 01:08:35.260
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we kind of touched on everything.

01:08:35.360 --> 01:08:49.806
[SPEAKER_01]: Only thing brief, I mean, we don't, we, we've, like you said, we've got a pretty new time is I wanted to get your take and maybe we can leave to show next week on the talk about Brock and him leveling up.

01:08:50.226 --> 01:08:52.887
[SPEAKER_01]: And what do you think that means is that hype or

01:08:53.887 --> 01:08:54.528
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, real.

01:08:54.568 --> 01:08:57.790
[SPEAKER_01]: So we can, we don't, we can table half for next time.

01:08:58.111 --> 01:09:01.754
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, well, we'll make Brock a bigger topic next week.

01:09:02.254 --> 01:09:03.535
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you my short answer.

01:09:04.456 --> 01:09:07.418
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it really depends on

01:09:08.604 --> 01:09:34.823
[SPEAKER_00]: how well they block for him and so that he can stay healthy because we know that turf toe thing from last year and he didn't really seem to be in perfect rhythm until maybe the end, but I think that's a big deal because we it is probably why they, you know, I'm sure Mac Jones was out there for the taking, but they weren't going to give him

01:09:38.017 --> 01:09:48.465
[SPEAKER_00]: we have a small-ish quarterback and, you know, he, if he gets hurt again, I don't know if we want Tanner Rork starting in, you know, week six.

01:09:49.226 --> 01:09:51.347
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I think that's what it is.

01:09:51.387 --> 01:09:57.972
[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll focus more on that because, you know, there's going to be, there's going to be a

01:10:00.059 --> 01:10:12.491
[SPEAKER_00]: a season where he is going to be able to kind of put all of these things together the way that Shanahan really wants him to be and they're going to be in sync and I will that be this year.

01:10:12.571 --> 01:10:12.891
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:10:12.911 --> 01:10:24.141
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have felt better if pretty Ricky was healthy, but you know, like there's I think there's a thing with Shanahan where he's like, I got my guy and I want him.

01:10:24.922 --> 01:10:33.911
[SPEAKER_00]: to, and I want us to be in full sync because if we can get on a heater, we can, we can, you know, kind of run the table kind of thing.

01:10:33.951 --> 01:10:42.018
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I sense that from Shanahan and, and Perti, and maybe we saw it the year that they went to the Super Bowl, but

01:10:42.759 --> 01:10:55.213
[SPEAKER_00]: you know there's been some flashes of it and there's been some really, really good games within it's like there's a step back and I would love to see Brock just have that like MVP type season.

01:10:55.353 --> 01:10:57.996
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's in him and I think it's in Shanahan.

01:10:58.848 --> 01:11:03.132
[SPEAKER_00]: but I think a lot of it does have to do with his health and how they block for him.

01:11:03.192 --> 01:11:05.274
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the show he version.

01:11:05.294 --> 01:11:07.716
[SPEAKER_01]: Please give him some receivers, please.

01:11:07.756 --> 01:11:09.817
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how would he help?

01:11:10.238 --> 01:11:14.421
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, Christian, CMC and Debo,

01:11:15.362 --> 01:11:16.683
[SPEAKER_00]: are going to be safety valves.

01:11:17.383 --> 01:11:27.310
[SPEAKER_00]: Kittle, when Kittle is back, he's always that reliable target, but I would think that they would probably stretch him out a little bit more.

01:11:27.830 --> 01:11:29.011
[SPEAKER_00]: They're also going to be missing.

01:11:29.671 --> 01:11:30.492
[SPEAKER_00]: Third and Juan.

01:11:31.292 --> 01:11:33.973
[SPEAKER_00]: That ultimate safety valve is not going to be there.

01:11:34.013 --> 01:11:37.634
[SPEAKER_00]: So somebody's going to have to step up and be that guy for for Brock.

01:11:38.134 --> 01:11:47.837
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming with Joann out, Kiddles is going to get a lot more of those kind of targets, but he's also probably going to be covered as if he's going to be the guy targeted.

01:11:47.857 --> 01:11:50.278
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's there's going to be opportunities for other guys.

01:11:50.338 --> 01:11:50.598
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:11:50.658 --> 01:11:51.719
[SPEAKER_00]: Who's step up?

01:11:52.239 --> 01:11:52.499
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:11:52.979 --> 01:11:54.000
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be it from here.

01:11:54.060 --> 01:11:55.320
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to everyone for hanging out.

01:11:55.400 --> 01:12:14.272
[SPEAKER_00]: I also wanted to shout out gems of power seven who was also in the chat kind of fun to see the familiar names and the people hanging out because you know the NFL is only for real real games from set September to February and then everything else is just

01:12:15.052 --> 01:12:19.195
[SPEAKER_00]: mini camps and training camps and preseason and draft.

01:12:19.796 --> 01:12:28.202
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, we covered the draft and then, you know, you had, you had to get your business done, your personal life stuff done.

01:12:28.462 --> 01:12:31.745
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're back now and it's great to see everyone come back with us.

01:12:31.805 --> 01:12:35.287
[SPEAKER_00]: So I really appreciate everybody for coming back and hanging out on a

01:12:36.268 --> 01:12:39.032
[SPEAKER_00]: Sunday night late, you know, for a lot of people.

01:12:39.072 --> 01:12:40.314
[SPEAKER_00]: So appreciate all of you.

01:12:40.934 --> 01:12:42.837
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that is it from here.

01:12:42.897 --> 01:12:44.619
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Rod, I am WG.

01:12:44.659 --> 01:12:47.403
[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you piece out.