Nakase on the Trade Deadline, Kelsey Plum Rumors & Are the Valkyries Contenders? | Podhalla

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is the Friday episode of Pot Halla.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Getting everybody ready for their weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Brian is here with me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Konrado is here with me, but we do have a special guest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kenzo Fukuda from Clutch Points.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to Pot Halla.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How are you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doing great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That intro is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that intro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a fun intro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, doing good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This week's been kind of busy, but a trade deadline, always fun, always fun time the year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you and Konrado were at practice today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I saw some kind of rottles tweets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sounded like Natalie was kind of on fire with the quotes there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, can you guys, uh, and kids will start with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, what was kind of the tenor for the, uh, the conversation today, because, uh, not like last year they, you'd last year they, they played well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They made the playoffs, but this year there is a focus on, oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Our, our, you contenders are not and, and what do contenders do at the deadline and all that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What, what was it like there today at practice?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was very much, we're focused on ourselves, we're focused on working, we can control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked to Veronica, Gabby, and Natalie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gabby was a little shorter with us, but it was mostly like we're focused on the present.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't control what happened with the trades and stuff and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, we're like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Natalie was a little bit more acknowledging, like, yes, they are having conversations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's out there that, you know, the Valkyries are exploring things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have made a bid for Kelsey Plum, a couple of people who reported that, and I confirm that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, the definitely is noise around this team, but they are, you know, or they remain kind of, they want to be focused on Toronto and, you know, they're out there on this weird-to-game losing streak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the tenure tenure I got from them, but I can run if you want to talk about what Natalie kind of did say towards the end of that our meat availability.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was a lot with Natalie, like I don't know at first it seemed like we were going to get a typical like not that she's Terce, but seemed like it was going to be a typical Natalie media scrum where she kind of gives you a little bit and then, you know, It's on her way, but I don't know, like she was like in a flow state today when she got going like because at the end

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the quote that all of us, right, like Kenzo, uh, Jane Kenny from the SF standard Harrison Rich, the Chronicle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We all literally tweeted out the exact same quote, uh, where Natalie was talking about culture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the funny thing is that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This response that now the game was in response to Jane's question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jane was asking Natalie like, OK, you know, Oh, Emma did mention the other day when she was, she made a radio appearance on 957 the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Emma had mentioned that

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you kind of have to weigh whether now is the time to make a big move like get trade or do you wait until the off season and just do it, you know, outright through free agency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but then Natalie actually just kind of started talking about yes kind of balancing that, but then she started talking about this team's culture, you know, and really appreciating what the team has built.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, she, I think the quote that you're all referencing

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to interpret it as, like, other had coaches, her peers, but also coaches that like, she kind of looked at her mentors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, her mentors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're basically saying that, you know, like, you know, when you have something going really good, like, just don't have it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't have that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think you're with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't say it like you just said it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she said it she has it been costing as much like you know a little bit more me training everything But that was that was significant as like if you know you kind of fall to be and yet now He's like how she talks and everything that was a little bit like okay Like maybe there is something here about they don't they they are really valuing chemistry and all that stuff And I think that's true and they don't want to make a trip deadline and be really splashy and and do something that could upset the continuity of this team Yeah, yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah after she said like again the the more like tantalizing piece there where she said like don't eff it up she kind of went on she continued to saying about like how what makes this team so unique is how you know everybody really feels free and empowered to kind of be themselves she even used herself as an example uh

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[SPEAKER_00]: saying multiple times over and over again that she's crazy, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that the team, the players, right, oh, Hannah, they make her feel comfortable to be herself to be crazy, you know, and she implied that like if Kenzo had hung out with her for like five hours, he'd kill her, you know, and so yeah, it was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was interesting because there was definitely, I don't really feel like there are that she was suggesting that they're leaning one way or the other,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think they want to really make here that yes, like probably all those reports out there and probably would a lot of fans, right, that the team,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just to like kind of piggyback off of that I think like that's been their ethos since the start of this franchise like last year like they just picked up a bunch of scrappy six women players like so the symbols team I do think like there is the idea like if you do make a trade or kind of going against

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[SPEAKER_01]: everything you've preached the last year and a half, you're going against all the things about connectivity, culture, strength of numbers, like if you do make a trade for, you know, we're going to talk about Kelsey Plum, like that is like a customer is a great player, but you are kind of re-negging on some of the things you've preached over the last couple of years, the last two years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I actually have a question about that because I think in some sense, preaching the connectivity,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're basically telling your team, hey, we are great as a group and all of the things that we work on like this stuff is real.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there's the business side of basketball where sometimes you do have to make moves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then sometimes you look like you are contradicting what what the statement of the team is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, that that's a tricky thing with a head coach now Natalie and oh, have a seem to be pretty lock step on a lot of things, but this is where

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[SPEAKER_02]: front office has a different job than the head coach in in this kind of the trade deadline, especially right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I kind of wonder, do you guys and we can start with you, Kenzo, do you guys feel like?

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[SPEAKER_02]: the, I guess the synergy between coach and for an office is kind of lock step at this deadline or do you sense that, and I'm not saying that that it's bad if it's not because, you know, as we've seen in the NBA, when you have a GM and a, and a, and a head coach and they have different seeing, in a opinion, it's kind of like an exercise of iron sharp and Zion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But where do you

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're thinking it's kind of along the same wavelength or maybe do you think that they have some different thoughts about what it may take to take the team to the next level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think they are lockstep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I just think like they do they they constant they are constant communication.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The players that O hema gets for this roster are Nanalena Cossay players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are players that are willing to do both sides of the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like very focused on like the right values.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's how like the team I put it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they are lockstep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the reason why you know ESPN has a report about like in the Valkyries feeling reluctant about

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[SPEAKER_01]: doing this like chemistry, but that's the thing they're chemistries because, you know, Natalie, I think really does value that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And ultimately, like the other thing Natalie said was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, oh, Hamas decision, like that's the other thing she kind of said at this, at practice day, like they're in constant conversation, but ultimately she's just gonna trust whatever O Hamad does, kind of putting the onus on her to make this decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think O Hamad is definitely considering what Natalie wants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think those two, I totally believe that it's just up to O Hamad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think Natalie has strong influence on what the front office does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in that sense, I do think they are kind of lock step

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[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of just can see with all the moves they made this year from that Flage trade, that was a trade to make space for a veteran.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You stay your cheat day, the way she isn't in the rotation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are people within the Valkers that kind of want the Valkers to play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You stay a little bit more, but they are willing to go with this win now, focus mode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they are lock step right now and whatever move they make at the deadline

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anything to add to that, Conrado?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't necessarily disagree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do believe that they're in lockstep in terms of like the overarching or big picture goals that the team wants to achieve or the organization wants to achieve long-term.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just still think that it's just again, execution, how they envision executing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that shared plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think is very different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kenzo mentioned again, like Flage, or more importantly, you stay with Cheetay more importantly, just because she's on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, uh, Kenzo can confirm, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when, when you stay played 16 minutes in the second half, against that game against Indiana fever, back on May 28th, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we were on our way to the media room, there was Joe Lake up on Hannah and how many Ann in high five,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like, you know, and she like they were hyped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were hyped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, I think this right there, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that necessarily means that there is, you know, any chaos or or like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: discord, yeah, between front office and coaching staff, but again, like as Natalie said today, right, oh, Hamas job is to build the best roster possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She has to, you know, at least be open to finding ways to improve it and, you know, Kenzo and forever friend of the show, Nathan Cannellow,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The star of the team is Natalie and Natalie's like her superpower is you give her a group of players she's going to find a way to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't think anyone's necessarily doing their job incorrectly or stopping each other from doing their job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just again, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're kind of going about it for what their responsibilities are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll say this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think this for an office is willing to be a little, you know, take the emotion out of it and cold-hearted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we look back to what they did with K-Martin, they love K-Martin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They love dress-a-player, and they loved her as a person, and she was important that locker room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they waved her because they knew that a positional need with them at center, and Katelyn Chen was doing really well, and they need Lyti Chami here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is

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[SPEAKER_01]: A willingness with this front office to be ruthless, even going back to last year when you think about like shine sellers like she walks off the plane goes to a giant's game and then two weeks later is cut or not even two weeks later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think days later is cut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think like that is like, I don't think they are just they're not, you know, totally attached to to chemistry and all that those things, but it is something that's laying on their mind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you have your ear to the street when it comes to the fan base.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I see what's in the YouTube comments on our on our videos here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Konrado was reaching out to me about that the other day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I think the fancy the thing is, is the fans have absolutely bought into the idea.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that the culture is part of the reason why they're so good and the belief in the players and you have a head coach who believes in all those things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we just broached the idea of Kelsey Plum and there were some fans who were like, you can't ruin what they've built, x, y, and z.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's, you know, there's a plan to this and and so I was like, I was kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: actually I shouldn't have been that surprised because there is a different relationship with how the fan base views this team that I think then any other relationship I've seen from a fan base in all professional sports.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Brian, from the side or the perspective of the fans,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that the culture piece of this and the connectivity piece of this wins out or do you sense that there is like this thought like hey Kelsey can actually help us get to the next level and maybe we should think about that even if it does mean having to give up a person who we've been rooting for for these last two years.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh man yeah no I I've been I've been in the trade machine a little bit like I was in the last show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I, it seems like you have to do Kayla Thorin and to me like that's the one where I'm just like, I know, you know, she just feels like such a, like such a Valkyrie, like it's, you know, I feel like that the crowd gets, you know, for the couple games that I've been there this year, the games that I went to last year, like there's nothing, something, there's something different about a KT three ball when it goes in and I feel like that's just that's someone who.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's a tough one to kind of give up and I know that maybe the stats on paper whether it's the efficiency numbers or the three point numbers might not be like, you know, match what, you know, how the fans view her, but I just think that that stuff does matter and just looking at like, okay, can you pair together, you know, tip haze and you stay like that's still like $15, $18,000 short.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, like, I don't think you can't do that right because they have to at least match.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I think they're in an interesting position where it's like,

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[SPEAKER_03]: We talked about it a little last show.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, okay, Kyla Charles name got thrown out there, but she's so important.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Chetchie had a great game last game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, tips still had a great game, but I guess with tip, it's like, okay, well, at least if you're trading tip, you're bringing in a guard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, that kind of replaces the position here, but I just think they're, yeah, they're definitely in a position where, you know, I don't envy them for having to choose, who they got to get, who, who has to go because it kind of

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[SPEAKER_03]: Caleb Thorin, from the numbers perspective, is an easy one to pair together, whether it's Thorin and you stay in picks or Thorin and Amy here and more picks, like that kind of seems like that has to be the package if you're just going to for one.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I haven't looked at adding more players on the spark side and then more players on the balcony set, but to me, you're just getting plum, like that seems like one of the cleaner ways to do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, if that's what it is, like I could see like the Natalie resistance because I do feel like, you know, that's, you know, KT means a lot to Natalie as well, you know, the first selection of the expansion draft someone who's with their first all star like that would be if there's resistance.

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[SPEAKER_03]: That would be why I would think so it's be simply because of the Kayla Thorin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, what is the real trade that is on the table or that is rumored for Kelsey Plum?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is the one that the Valkyries have not said yes to?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've seen a couple of different versions of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of them had root pair in it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One of them had Thornton in it, but it seems like the common denominator here might be

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[SPEAKER_02]: you stay and we are the use day podcast here so you know that's a big that's a big thing if she's going to be in one of these deals now last episode can rado said he didn't think she was going to be traded I don't know if that has changed if she is maybe more available now as we get closer to the deadline Kenzo what is what is the what does it look like this thing this Kelsey plum trade is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to say for certain, because I've heard they are asking for a lot, like even beyond just like, I think like they, it might even be going for like genel salon, which in that case the Valkyries are like, this, that's why the Valkyries are like, no, we're not giving up genel salon like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's, she's too important, she's, she's young and, like, she's a core part of what they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think like, if there was a package, it probably is the one that we're talking about, it's, it's probably like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the KT1 and you stay as the young player and maybe a pick, we'll see we don't really know what the packages are precisely, but Brian's right like the there isn't exactly they're you're going to have to part with one maybe two of your veteran expiring contracts and and and you stay so like that's that's where it's like kind of tricky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's hard to say exactly what's out there, but they're kind of haggling right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reason why ESPN and all these people like have these reports is because somebody is trying to influence what the value of this trade will be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see how it goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But with you stay, it's kind of up in the air right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Colorado you had a we talked about this on the last show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it sounded like you were of the opinion that they would not put you stay into a deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Has that change in your opinion since since then or do you still believe that she's going to be a Valkyrie past trade deadline?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I put out my article

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to walk back to that take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she is, I want to say they're definitely not shopping her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, they're more open to moving her in the right deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, everything Kenzo said, you know, Brian's kind of read on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I largely agree with all of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For what I've been told of the situation, you know, from my people, my quote, quote, sources in the know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the sparks realize they don't really have as much trade leverage in this situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of fans would agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what they're trying to do though is again, I think they understand that the players they get back, obviously they're not going to be comparable in talent to a Kelsey Plum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think their hope though is ideally perhaps they get you stay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They hold on to her, but the other players that they go, the salary filler that those players have value around the league, and they can be reflipped again, so they can start to begin recoing some assets, try to build back up their war chest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, I could kind of understand if they're asking for like a kill at Thorn, because Kayla would likely somewhat want her, right, around the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably the same thing goes for Chetchy, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for all the reasons, Ken's have said, those players that have to be in the deal in some iteration, they are aspiring contracts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not even just specific to the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I say this to any WNBA podcast I'm on, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There has never been a WNBA team that brings back all 12 players the following season, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can understand if you want to value this year's squad and you want to see how far they can go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The team will not look the same next year and for everyone saying go ahead, like why don't you pursue her or some other big name free agent in the office season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then again, that free agent is taking the place of one of these players, you know, so that's why I'm saying, I mean, like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you truly believe, if you're of the mind that this team is good enough to compete for a championship, I totally respect that, but at the same time, if you don't, I just, you know, for me, I wouldn't want the team to take this season for granted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's no guarantee you'll be able, that they'll be able to kind of replicate the same level of success or even just the same level of health, you know, because again, other than

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[SPEAKER_00]: and tip getting hurt on game one, they've had a pretty, pretty good, you know, bill health this entire season, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just an opportunity that I definitely understand if the organization feels they really want to capitalize on.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think that

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I feel like the only two teams I've heard reported for plum are the Valkyries and the mystics.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you think that if maybe the mystics, I don't know, there was the momentum was swinging in their favor.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like do you think the Valkyries would, I guess I'm trying to think about this from a from a sparks leverage perspective, because

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[SPEAKER_03]: coming from like, you know, the NBA, I know we all have a kind of a background knowledge of the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It seems like if this was the NBA, Kelsey Plum would be traded without a doubt.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But I heard I was as soon as the athletic part and any costible was saying like the sparks have a history of just like letting their players walk for nothing.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I only have history of knowledge of the W within the past four to five years, so I've really only seen just like Neco walk, right?

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[SPEAKER_03]: So I guess, you know, those are the two teams that seem to be in on Kelsey Plum, although I haven't heard as much momentum from the mystics as I have heard from the Valkyries, but you know, the mystics is a team that I think has matched up well against the Valkyries, they've gotten them once, and it could very well be like a first round matchup.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, like if the mystics were to

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[SPEAKER_03]: go for plum harder, do you think that the Valkyries would want to make them want to go for plum at a harder as well?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or, I don't know, yeah, I think the thing with the mystics is like, this Kelsey Plum want to go there because she has an implicit no trade class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, because because she's a court player, any trade that they put her in, she has to have an approval.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At that point, I think it's just a trade class, no trade class, but regardless,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The sparks are kind of losing more leverage because Kelsey Plum could be forcing her way to the boundaries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it lines up with a lot of, like, the bakers are a great organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of opportunities to make money in the bay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether that's advertising or tech or any of that, you build your brand in the bay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is technically a more intriguing, no offense to Washington.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just a more intriguing destination.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think some of the things you get the factor in here are the control that Kelsey has.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and also the fact that the sparks, they have it near him GM, like they don't, I don't know who's making that decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, is the ownership making that decision?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because also at a certain point, you've got to put people into the seats for tickets, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, Kelsey Plum is a draw in LA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know maybe that none's big of a draw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should be a big draw in Malhalla, but I think that is something that, you know, owners and money makers kind of have to think about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll kind of see, I think, like, if plum were to be traded, like it would be to the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But kind of like you said, Brian, like WMB works a little bit differently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes there's there's an element of spite and like, hey, we're just going to keep you and like we're just going to rock the rest of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe maybe maybe even they go the other way and like start buying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they try to save this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The WMB is a weird environment sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Colorado, I'll I'll throw this one to you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's it's based on what Kinsel said, because the thing that I haven't heard in any of

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[SPEAKER_02]: Resigning Kelsey plant or extending Kelsey Plum because if you trade for her She's a rental and then she walks she's less valuable But if you trade for her and you know that you're going to extend her and you know that you want her to be

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[SPEAKER_02]: in, you know, to be a future piece of this team, then she has more value.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I haven't heard that piece, but it sounds like from what Kenzo said, she, she probably would not be against coming to the, to the Bay Area.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Has that, has there been any discussion about that part of the trade?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's part of what is motivating the balconies to be entertaining, you know, to be having these conversations is that they have reason to believe that Kelsey would resign or re-up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with the Valcreate is now whether she or her representation said that directly to Ahema, I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you know, Ken's and I were talking about this the other day on Valcreate's court side report.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, do you have to go back in time, you know, just some or go and Kelsey Plum was the first free agent that Joe Lake up inohamanian and Natalie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right hosted in their inaugural season and Kelsey's on the record saying she's really impressed but at the time well I mean hindsight's 2020 now but at the time she thought that the spars had you know a more clear path to contention um so like I said I feel like again the reason why these conversations are being had between Golden State and LA is

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[SPEAKER_00]: It may not be chemistry, but it can's when I were talking about this earlier today, but it's familiarity, you know, it's comfortability, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where I think definitely Natalie, but then to an extent, Joe Lake up and oh, him, they feel comfortable that

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[SPEAKER_00]: if they were to bring in a player like Kelsey Plum, it would not interrupt or disrupt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should say the chemistry and connectivity of this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do feel like again, that's why they're doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do believe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't aggregate me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just kind of like, no, I was just kind of told that she kind of already did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Flex, her no trade clause, uh, ability, uh, hence why DC kind of acquired it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, uh, as Brian said, like some NBA, W NBA teams, they, they operate different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, they, they, they march to the beat of their own drum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you mentioned like a and then I'll get get to you real quick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just wanted to make a quick note.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned like a, you know, when the best teams had the bigs or the power forwards or the the athletic small forwards.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Joe Lake was like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we got this little punk out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to build around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the, you know, Joe Lake up is not shy about, uh, building a team based off of a scoring back court.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So go ahead, Kenzo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that leads value perfectly into my point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think beyond just like the ramifications of like up into your chemistry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you do trade for Kelsey Plum, you have to think about the next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like Colorado said, like, if you trade for her, you are guaranteeing you're going to resign her and at that point, she has leverage over the boundaries in terms of like money and how much they're going to commit to her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in that case, you're kind of pushing your chips in for a max salary slot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Kelsey's probably maybe a little below that she took wherever the 99 99 99 whatever deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in that case, you're building a team around Veronica Burton, Kelsey Plum, Gabby Williams, and traditionally in the WMBA, that isn't something that has historically won.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You usually need a big, you do need a good guard, but the doctors don't have a traditional like Asia Wilson if he's a collier, Brianna Stewart, Brittany Griner, kind of centered that kind of unifies like the formula.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you are going for Kelsey Plum, and you do think you can win this year,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think like, yeah, sure, go for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you also got to think about like your roster construction and the fact that you are zigging and zagging against tradition.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Brian, we are the use day pod.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You had the very first use day, you don't cheat day interview that I think that was out there once she was a balcony.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's say that she has to be in the deal and let's say you could get Kelsey Plum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you as a fan, as a fan, would you be okay if Kelsey comes and then signs an extension and she is the starting two guard for this team or whatever for the next three or four years?

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[SPEAKER_02]: How would you feel as a fan, would you be okay with it, would it break your heart?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like because this is what I'm seeing in YouTube in the YouTube comments and just kind of on Twitter like there's there's like real connection with the idea of who you say could become but also that's kind of what you do with prospects right like profit or prospects for a reason and Kelsey is the real deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just how do you separate that feeling.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, can Rado set it on the podcast that you and Colonel Rado and Kenzo did yesterday or two days ago that I listened to, but I think you stay still like worth a first round pick and not just because she was drafted in the first round.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I still think there's value there, but I think once again referencing the NBA, like I know we all have knowledge of the warriors and how much do we wish that they would have gotten off of some of their young players earlier rather than later.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying that you stay is by any means going to have, you know, a wise man fall off or a commingal fall off.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm more so saying like I was on record saying can we get comming off this team in year two for Pascal Siocca and it seemed like there was a pathway to doing that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then they held on to him and so I think that, you know, when there's value and there's an opportunity to win a championship, I think that, you know, that kind of has to take precedent over, you know, some of the, some of the young talent and of course I would be so sad to see you stay go, but, you know, I think that.

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[SPEAKER_03]: If you have the opportunity to win a championship in your two and they do, I don't think they do if they do nothing at the deadline, I mean, it's it's a lot smaller percentage, like I think a lot of things have to go in their favor, I think they have to maintain this great health that they've been able to somehow avoid versus all the rest of the teams, I think they need to get a favorable matchup in the playoffs because they can't beat the links or the aces.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But if they were to add someone, you know, and I, I, that changes things.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, can Rado and Kenza were saying on that podcast, like it doesn't make them the favorites, but like they're, they're in that upper echelon.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Now they're in that upper echelon with the teams that they can't beat.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And if there's an opportunity to do that, it makes, it makes a ton of sense to do it.

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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to play this one more time just in case you'll cheat it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so here's a question as it relates to straight deadline, like I don't know if anybody can predict whether or not something is going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But let's say Minnesota's deadline deal was just bringing back, you know, the first or second best player in an entire league to their current roster, which is already amazing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if Vegas is in the mix for anything, but we know Minnesota already improved.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're, I think they're, they've won like nine in a row or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And let's say Vegas makes a move, whatever, for whatever they, they believe they need to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think if golden state stays with a pat hand after this deadline,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are they contenders or are we looking at like okay we're you know the they're sort of looking at this is like okay can we be the third or fourth best team and we'll start with the kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've said this kind of all year long, like they are at least after the win streak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they are below the ACEs and links, but they're in their own tier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still kind of proven that they can beat the liberty and the fever and the dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And those teams below them, they have to play the wings a couple more times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the matchup I'm kind of monitoring the rest of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't, I think they're in the race, but they aren't favorites.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I think if they got Kelsey Plum, that kind of pushes them closer to that ACEs links tier, and then we kind of see what happens there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they stand pat, I do think they're going to win a bunch of regular season games, but I do question some of the playoff stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think closing is so important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the offense, like having a consistent offense, and so on you can go to Gabby's been great,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need a little bit more than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Veronica has been a little, you know, I think she's been a good passer, but maybe less on ball and less like aggressive hunting her own shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think like

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you do stand pat, I totally respect it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it, I understand it, the chemistry, that's important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Practicing what you preach, that's also important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you are kind of, I think in the back of my mind, you're kind of doing this thing where it's like, let's see how far we can go this season and explore it in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not exactly punching on the season, but it's more like, we're going to just kind of evaluate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of an evaluation run in the, instead of like a championship run in my point of view.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about that, Conrado?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, let's say that again, the top four seeds currently right now in the standings are the top four seeds that enter the playoff, so if the first round is chalk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: then yeah, they got to play Minnesota or Vegas in the second round.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's inevitable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll wait to on the road if it's like the third seed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I've said this since day one of training camp, like I feel like the roster has currently constructed their built.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to really succeed and possibly like really hammer a first round opponent and specifically a first round opponent because first round still best of three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very skeptical that their style of play is conducive for a best of five, definitely not a best of seven series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's no way you could get that far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't wanna say there's no way, but it's just so difficult to advance deep into the playoffs, right, if you have so many like empty possessions, you know, or lines in a three ball, there's so a line on the three ball, it's unbelievable how we're lying there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which I think is part of what it's cooking stuff, but at certain point, like a play like Kelsey Plum is like, I think we throw around the term three level score, like two, half-azardly in the WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kelsey Plum is a three level score and is consistent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And would bring just like a real go-to option to the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Brian, same question.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What even was the question again?

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[SPEAKER_02]: If they are a contender, if they stay pat and these other teams improve.

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[SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, they're not.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, technically, if they, I think they are like the third best team, like no matter what, I mean, I guess there are some teams below them that could do things, but like Kenza was saying earlier, like they've kind of proved themselves as being able to beat the liberty net twice now, beat the dream three times, you know, they beat the wings once, so I am also looking forward to that matchup, but you know, they've beaten up on everyone below

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that if they do nothing and some of those teams below them improve and can jump them, then that's a possibility, but I've been saying literally on the show for months now as currently constructed they will not be the aces they won't there's just I just don't see a way in in change of place.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like they've tried so many things where you have.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Key of Stokes guarding Asia on the ball and then the next game is Kaila Thornton guarding Asia on the ball.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So Kia can kind of roam and help and it just like didn't matter, didn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They just kept losing to the aces and you know, I think there's a chance to get one on the links, but I think you have to say that the links are a better team and you know, especially with the feasts of coming back.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess, technically, if you were the third best team in the league, I guess you kind of have to be a contender, but I, to me, that's all technical terms.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I don't think they could be either of those teams.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that it's a very small percentage that they can dodge either of them in the playoffs if they get there.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, if they make no moves, if they make no moves, they won't beat those teams.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And then if other teams below them make moves, they can potentially jump the Valkyries, too.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The way that I read this scenario is if they believe, getting Kelsey Plum this year, cements their status in the upper echelon and they get into the playoffs and they had there's a possibility of them beating one of those two teams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a value in that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a value in saying, hey, we have something special here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's try and kick it into the next gear.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But even if they trade for Kelsey Plum and they don't believe that they have a shot against one of those two teams, I think you just waited out and you wait for her to be a free agent and you just bring her over next year, you save your your assets and then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, Toronto has been saying, they're going to lose players off of this year's team next year because of how deals are constructed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so if you bring in Kelsey and then possibly another player who looks at Golden State and goes, hmm, like this thing is very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I, you know, I would love to come here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then, then you're kind of using the free agency and the young team

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, I am not against trading for Kelsey Plum.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how the team feels their chances would be with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I imagine they feel that they're much better wither than without her at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But do they think they could take you to the next level?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that enough?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if the answer is no,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then I think you got a wheel and deal and figure out how to bring her in next year anyways without losing the assets piece.

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[SPEAKER_03]: So that's just can't be like the only one on the trade market.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I don't like no rumors for like yeah, anyone else is just so hard with their salaries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they just they're just some players like I would love for them to pursue, but they just doesn't work money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is like I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seattle's, as you Mac, were like, she's, she'd be perfect for the bakers' center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, the money, I've done the trip machine too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it just doesn't add up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you have to send out, you start adding more players, and maybe others, you're doing this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think Kelsey Plum's just like kind of the easiest, like, actual star person you could trade for the bakers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, G, G, G, your point is like, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't even know if Kelsey Plum puts them over the top like if they get her like I don't I don't know if they still know if they beat Minnesota if they beat her so in that case like maybe it is just better than like see how far you can go and and get her in the off season I'll also just throw this out there in terms like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bakers as a free Asian destination.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know exactly how attractive this place is as a free Asian destination just because I get the culture and the organization like that is top tier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think, you know, some of the way they treated some European players here and there as, you know, gotten some eyebrow raises across the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Carly, you know, that that situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think players are kind of monitoring, you know, the used to go cheat they think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, I know, no Belgian player is gonna ever play for the Bakers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that is legit like they were mad about that like and they are continuing to continue to be mad about that So I do I don't know if they can be overly reliant on you know them being as a free-edancy pitch But then again, they did get Gabby Williams who like there is like a bounce there So I would just kind of I don't I wouldn't be like super confident they can get anybody they want I don't know if I don't think the feast is leaving with the links But I think that is important to note in terms of the calculus of whether they're or not they should make them with a deadline

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so goes things I have a crush on KP by the way, I do like watching her score the basketball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It is it is a fun to watch for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You admit it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm saying to piggy off of back piggyback off of Kenzo's point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is why I don't really feel like approaching this trade deadline is so black and white.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does it make you a contender or doesn't?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think if you're still, again, yes, you want to, I try to win a championship this year, but again, the franchise, the organization wants to win every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So can you position yourself, improve your chances this year, can you put yourself in a better position even next season?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if it doesn't make you the title favorite now, use the trade deadline, or if you are going to make a trade, use it as like pre agency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so like what Kenzo saying is gold estate right now is currently constructed is it really a destination franchise we can make arguments but ultimately it matters to the players if you bring in a player like Kelsey Plum now and you could already sell to free agents look we already have a big three of Gabby Williams Kelsey Plum and Veronica burn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds a lot more appealing, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it depends on what like the draft compensation would be, you know, because again, all the names that we've thrown out as potential trade candidates, they're likely not going to be, well, I will say they're likely, but I mean, they're at least not under contract next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you stay would be the only one that's unconstructed contract, cross-constructed contract, cross-constructed contract, like that's a good contract to be on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for a team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But other than that, I mean, I'm not one, I mean, I'm a guy who's very big into scouting in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not one to be Cavalier about giving away draft picks, but at the same time, this team is giving me no indication that like they're going to be lottery bound anytime soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as long as now in the Kase as head coach, they are not a lottery bound team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you could feel comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, again, I'm not giving up all the tradable draft picks, but I get it, you know, if you're giving up a 2027 first, like, let's be real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The 2027 first is probably not going to crack the main rotation next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So definitely not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, again, these are things that I'm sure or Hema is considering, but I think that's why it is such

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[SPEAKER_00]: like a difficult thing for them to really, I don't see difficult, but a very important thing for them to be navigating, you know, because, again, like, it's not just about what are the opportunities are out there, can they create more opportunity for themselves moving forward?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I got one more question for Ken's and then we'll let him get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The question is around you, stay because you just talked about the international aspect of this all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we've been following this so closely because we are the use-day podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And every time, I just, I wonder, she's very young, you know, she's still,

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[SPEAKER_02]: used to a certain style and she's adapting to to play the WMBA style, the relationship like let's say they hold on to her and she is on this team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She has a roster spot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She has a good contract.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are going to be people leaving.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's probably going to get more opportunity next year to show her her how she plays.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that relationship strong?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And would she consider herself a fixture for the team next year?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really hard to say just because like I know there are fans within the organization that really believe in you stay I really do think that they do see her as this piece of the future and it's just like that I think the fact that she's not playing this year is just because like it's hard as a 20 20 year old going on 21 to up and veterans I think especially in the WMBA this is where again, the NBA NBA differences are just completely different because I think in the NBA you try to play the young player a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The WMV is more like you have to earn it and veterans do carry a presence and you kind of have to upend them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to do something pretty incredible to upend them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in that sense, there is definitely some frustration here and there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, I do believe when the organization says she is the future, we're developing her for the future.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So kind of depends on like what happens next year again if the Valkyries kind of Valkyries might as well they might if they strike out on some big creative they might just bring everybody back in and then you're in the situation again where it's like a log jam at like garden and forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if there is opportunity for her next year if depending on like who leaves and who doesn't leave I do think like you know that the relationship could be rebuilt in some ways but

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we kind of, if they go over down this road again and, you know, they are making false promises, then it could be a case where that that there could be a breakup there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll kind of, we kind of have to see what happens at this deadline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot depends on on that here here and there, but yeah, it's kind of what my view on the use day situation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, she doesn't have really a say because she's a rookie and the Valkyries own her rights for from a contract perspective, but I do wonder if she's looking at this like as, oh, if I get traded there's opportunity or if I get traded, I'm just going to be in the same spot because another team is going to kind of sit me as a young player and play their vets too, like that's that that's the other thing like I don't know what.

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[SPEAKER_02]: it wouldn't what a different organization have handled this differently.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't I don't know, but that's that's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so that that's kind of what's in what's in play for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Kenzo, thanks for jumping on man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't you plug the places where where people can find you and where you're writing and and on socials and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, definitely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to have been on the pod.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was a fun fun little session.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can find me at clutchpoints.com.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually under the Bakery section.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also find me some doing some more your stuff there as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And hit me up on Twitter, Kenzo Fuku.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can catch me there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, if you want to listen to just some.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... game recaps and you know spectral speculation here and there you can always catch uh... me on the valkry's court side podcast uh... we just do that for every game just kind of get our thoughts down and helps us kind of right to so uh... yeah catches there but uh... thank you guys again for having me on this was a fun time

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys have, uh, what YouTube channel are you guys on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We used to be on, uh, Mr. Joseph Dykes' YouTube channel, but now we have a separate YouTube channel, uh, I believe called Doc Grease Courtside, Doc Grease Beat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's one of the two, um, you can kind of just Google that there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, uh, I should probably know the name of that podcast, uh, but, uh, uh, yeah, catches there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, mostly after games and occasionally if there's emergency news, we'll, we'll talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, um, yeah, thanks again, guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, thanks a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a blast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Follow, Kenzo, clutch points, and he's doing some really good work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, sometimes, and this is part of like Bay Area media.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like all of a sudden, you see someone cooking on Twitter and you're like, man, why am I seeing this person on Twitter constantly now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that was how I found Kenzo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, like he's I'm seeing him on Twitter a lot now and so it just means he's doing good work and he's reaching people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Can Rado thank you for the connection and bring in him on with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I mean Kansas probably the first of many of the valves beat that will be joining us in the near future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I love you know, I'm I said this a bunch of times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just love all the people covering this team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's it's pretty incredible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's talk about

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[SPEAKER_02]: when's this game, which was not fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't even know, I kind of don't know why they even lost that game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, of course, Alyssa Thomas went off and copper went off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they just struggled to score the basketball themselves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But there were things in that, one of them being Gabby Williams, not playing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I imagine she's

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, to play this weekend, I haven't heard otherwise was that a topic of practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, so you didn't see my tweet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, she is a practice was really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, at the end of Natalie's media scrum, she was asked about, you know, Gabby Williams status.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She said, Gabby Williams is good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, Gabby was a practice day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She spoke to the media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but the way Naly described it, she said that, you know, she's good, you know, she's kind of got a little activity there, but she hasn't really been doing as much contact.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, she is considered day to day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, for someone whose current injury status is, you know, reconditioning, can you explain what that even means?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand what that means.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Typically, reconditioning means you just haven't practiced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, if you're not, if like you're inactive, they have to give some kind of like designation like health status.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of teams use it, you know, especially right about now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, I'm going to catch my words here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right around, you know, like if you just haven't practiced in a couple days that that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think that I still think that's what it is, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Kenzo was reluctant to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We asked her, like, okay, right, like very casually, like, so you're good to play on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she gets to the next question, like, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was really odd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, is it...

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[SPEAKER_00]: gamesmanship because you have a two games, you know, like a quote quote like a back-and-back or whatever, not only a back-to-back, but you know, like you have two consecutive games against Toronto and you kind of want to them guessing, you want them to, you know, not really be able to hone in on a specific lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but it was just really odd, given that she was there, you know, but obviously, like, I don't know, I put it

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's reporting, you know, so next question, that's wild because to be clear, it was Kenzo who asked you the last question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, and so I'm like, kind of circling back, I believe it was last year's All-Star Break or Kaylee got hurt, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it, did Kayle get hurt practicing for the all-star game or was around that time frame?

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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought it was after the all-star game or it's practices and she said, okay, that's before games that started again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, that is why this time frame seems a little interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We know Gabby played in the all-star game, she played pretty darn well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: but she came back to play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so then she played in the All-Star game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And for her to not play the first game back, like that is curiosity right there, like why?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like what, like, you know, if this was, if this was the NBA, someone would have said, oh, you know, they were partying too hard or whatever, like that would have been the joke.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But there was no, I didn't see any real explanation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you would just assume that the next game, like for whatever reason, unless there's a secret injury,

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[SPEAKER_02]: that she she would be fine to play her answer kind of make it just makes you wonder about is there something else going on I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I really thought it was again, just literally quote, quote, reconditioning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it was already planned that she was not going to practice on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Valkyrie's communications in PR had already informed me before Monday's practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then sure enough, you know, like they had already coordinated that fills meet and greet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, okay, make sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she returned back to the bay later than her teammates, you know, like Caitlin, tip, Kylo, we're all out there for the all-star festivities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I figured like that's, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have like, we all know reason to speculate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those okay, you didn't practice Monday, Tuesday was a travel day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know Natalie is really big on making sure players practice before they get into gain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then again, Natalie, I'll get on Monday reiterated the importance of managing the rotation players' minutes, you know, because she wants them as fresh as possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as healthy and fresh as possible heading at the playoff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, okay, I get it like maybe she could have played on Wednesday, but like that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to give her a data, you know, get a legs under her or whatever, feel comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was just odd today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like not only how terse, but how dismissive it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that, that's not usually the candor that you hear from from this team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she may have she may have her anybody could be frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she wasn't frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe that was strategic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, who knows?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just because it's out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You just it just makes you it just makes you wonder a bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, Brian, you recently rewatched the game today, so it's more fresh on your mind than it was on on mind, but like what were the things that you saw as to, you know, why they lost the game and kind of like all of a sudden, you know, like they couldn't close this one out, that's kind of weird because they've been closing these teams out and then, you know, these last two games they've lost so what were your thoughts on overall.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess like without without Gabby they're kind of like last year's team and last year's team had some issues with with the mercury, but I like it was

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[SPEAKER_03]: I texted you guys because I was watching.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like around getting close to the half and I was like, wow, they closed out that half so strong.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I guess it must just go downhill from here.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Third quarter wasn't that bad.

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[SPEAKER_03]: It was like the start of the fourth quarter that, you know, that's when that's when the mercury made their push.

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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think I think Alyssa Thomas is like a, you know, it presents.

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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, these, she's not the easiest person to guard.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She's she's very physical and she's shoulder contact, right, right, right.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They need to sell that contact more like just how I'm here with selling it against Leo Boston, that one for your game.

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[SPEAKER_03]: They just need because it's legitimately an offensive foul every single time.

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[SPEAKER_03]: She ducks are shoulder like you just you to get you just got to take it and then fall backwards and you know K T legit got like the win knocked out of one of those possessions and but you know I mean I think most people are going to point to the free throw discrepancy right like as legit there's a 20 there's a 20 free throw difference which is a lot but it found it kind of feels like the story of They couldn't find offense you know when they needed to most and

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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I think there were, I don't want to point to a me here because she had nice moments but I think there was like during those minutes is kind of when I started the sense like the comeback and you know like there's just some some moments where you know I think they clearly like her not on the ball it's just like a rumor off the ball defensively should come in like help side get these blocks and stuff but yeah, I don't know there's

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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm interested in what Corrado thinks about the game because I just thought it was a weird game and, you know, I think of Gabby's there, they probably win, but it's like, you know, if you are a team that is legit and has the potential to contend, like you should be able to beat up on, you know, lesser teams without your best player, right, like most of the contending championship teams are able to do that and, you know, maybe, is there something in the sense of like the Mercury or have been winning a lot lately, like potentially, I think they have,

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[SPEAKER_03]: gotten a few games lately, but maybe they're better than their records suggest.

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[SPEAKER_03]: I was shocked for one to see how, you know, bad they've been all season, but I, you know, know, no satu, but it's just an elissa led team usually is pretty solid.

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[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, Konrado, I'm going to kick this one to you.

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[SPEAKER_03]: What did you think of the game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think from the opening tip, the value is definitely looked a step slow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, now does that mean that they were tired?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were literally just like one step slow in terms of making, like the right defensive reads.

57:33.210 --> 57:42.553
[SPEAKER_00]: As much as the offensive laws can be frustrating for this specific game, I think for the number one defensive team in

57:44.233 --> 57:47.417
[SPEAKER_00]: This is, it's, it's very glaring because they let themselves down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, now obviously, as you said, Gabby Williams is not there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She is absolutely instrumental in everything that they do, but having said that like it just looked like throughout the entire game, especially in that first quarter,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they were not communicating well, you know, I don't think they were calling out screens correctly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were getting like completely lost on back door cutters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were not switching like their switches weren't crisp and then like players found themselves in no man's land.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As Veronica said after the game and I largely agree with her right they they absolutely take responsibility for allowing Phoenix to get 43 free throw attempts right they were out of position the entire game and you know they tried to overcompensate by getting their hands in you know they weren't moving their feet fast enough or quick enough and they were following.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still agree with Brian though and having said that like it's a very unexpected performance even with Gabby's absence, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when you have someone like Veronica, burning out there and in Caleb Thornton, you know, I mean, they're all vocal leaders in their own right, but especially defensively, you wouldn't expect unkeestopes to, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You wouldn't expect them to be that sloppy defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are my thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of them were echoed by the players today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can say, I can say today's practice, like the tenor of it was very tense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they were not happy at all.

59:31.129 --> 59:38.253
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think they were absolutely livid by what happened on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if I quoted it if I put Natalie's quote in, but Natalie said it was a very like, I'm paraphrasing, but she was saying that today was a very tense and candid practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From what I understand, there was, there was a lot of shouting back and forth.

01:00:03.454 --> 01:00:05.575
[SPEAKER_00]: Now having said that, they said it was constructive.

01:00:06.476 --> 01:00:15.842
[SPEAKER_00]: The way Natalie, I know one of the things the way she phrased it was like at times, the things that we say to each other, and they, she means like the players to each other.

01:00:15.882 --> 01:00:22.867
[SPEAKER_00]: He said, when, if they may be harsh with each other, it's all out of love, you know?

01:00:23.327 --> 01:00:24.108
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean,

01:00:26.795 --> 01:00:32.838
[SPEAKER_00]: They've only had two game losing streaks all season, right?

01:00:33.238 --> 01:00:37.120
[SPEAKER_00]: This recent one, and then the one against Minnesota and Vegas back the back.

01:00:38.300 --> 01:00:40.981
[SPEAKER_00]: So they are holding themselves to high standard.

01:00:41.521 --> 01:00:46.324
[SPEAKER_00]: It's something you want to see, I think from a coaching staff if you're a fan, you want them to care.

01:00:47.684 --> 01:00:48.705
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was pretty,

01:00:50.995 --> 01:00:57.537
[SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty interesting how, like, just adamant they were that like it was completely unacceptable.

01:00:59.278 --> 01:01:03.460
[SPEAKER_03]: I think the Valkyries are oh and two since we did a podcast.

01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:07.101
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it was before can Rodo join, but I think you were asking me like,

01:01:08.177 --> 01:01:11.840
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, like, do you think the nine game win streak continues and I was like, what the hell?

01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:12.440
[SPEAKER_03]: Why wouldn't it?

01:01:12.540 --> 01:01:14.261
[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, we talked about that, right?

01:01:14.502 --> 01:01:19.125
[SPEAKER_02]: And what does it feel like this team has has hit a stride?

01:01:19.385 --> 01:01:22.227
[SPEAKER_02]: Or do we think there could be some falloff in the second half?

01:01:22.287 --> 01:01:29.812
[SPEAKER_02]: And we all thought like the way that they play and the way that they are coached, it does seem like they can they can continue their success.

01:01:29.872 --> 01:01:31.093
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you're right.

01:01:36.637 --> 01:01:39.739
[SPEAKER_03]: do we want to preview this game on Sunday?

01:01:40.580 --> 01:01:58.171
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so there's two back-to-back games against the tempo at home before a game against Dallas and as Kenzo mentioned he's he's watching Dallas because Dallas is is right under them, but I think you know this is one of those games where

01:01:59.556 --> 01:02:12.287
[SPEAKER_02]: If what Konrado was talking about in practice, if that if all of that is true and created like this competitiveness and this expectation and this constructiveness, like they should probably come out of the gate and play pretty well.

01:02:12.327 --> 01:02:18.252
[SPEAKER_02]: You're at home, you know, you have these two games against the expansion team, you could really

01:02:19.433 --> 01:02:39.071
[SPEAKER_02]: figure some things out, whatever the reason was for them to come out slow against Phoenix, whatever the reason was for them to not play at the level that we expect them to play, you could really turn it around and you could really figure it all out in these next two games and then kind of reshape the pathway for the rest of the season, I think.

01:02:39.371 --> 01:02:41.653
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you got to expect for them to win both of those.

01:02:41.693 --> 01:02:43.375
[SPEAKER_03]: Toronto's one in nine in their last 10.

01:02:44.055 --> 01:03:08.117
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Marina Mabri had some choice words after they beat them and Toronto didn't she say something like we foul a lot and the bell grease foul a lot or something like yeah we get away with a lot of a fouling or like you know way too physical I was going to actually I'm going to wait probably to the game day pre-game to ask Natalie about that but yeah Gabby spoke to us for approximately 90 seconds total

01:03:09.157 --> 01:03:12.298
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it goes fast when there's a next question.

01:03:12.959 --> 01:03:14.980
[SPEAKER_00]: However, she did answer my question.

01:03:15.380 --> 01:03:18.241
[SPEAKER_00]: And I did ask her, because again, she's and she wasn't at practice on Monday.

01:03:18.281 --> 01:03:27.505
[SPEAKER_00]: I asked her her thoughts about what Natalie said that this team has another level to reach, you know, defensively.

01:03:28.745 --> 01:03:35.288
[SPEAKER_00]: And she used this last game as an example, which she's absolutely right.

01:03:38.978 --> 01:03:42.499
[SPEAKER_00]: But then you kind of remember, she didn't play, you know?

01:03:42.919 --> 01:03:53.983
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, like, I'd like to think that, yes, she'll be one of the reasons why they'll be able to kind of, you know, correct, you know, their mistakes, right to get back on track.

01:03:55.107 --> 01:04:16.691
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, it makes for an interesting situation when you're not actually out there, and you have a lot to say, and I think we've seen that on other teams where I want to say it's like resentment, but it's like, okay, you know, like you're not actually out there, you didn't see, you didn't feel what we felt, but it should be interesting.

01:04:16.711 --> 01:04:22.632
[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I mean, they looked like they're absolutely locked in for these next two games.

01:04:23.932 --> 01:04:35.084
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, now he said it's, again, one game at a time, even though she acknowledges or she understands that we play the tempo, uh, two times, but yeah, really interesting atmosphere.

01:04:35.425 --> 01:04:37.187
[SPEAKER_00]: Really, really interesting atmosphere today.

01:04:37.792 --> 01:04:41.535
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think my thing is to run us though missing like psychs and Tammy.

01:04:41.595 --> 01:04:46.198
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, psychs is out, uh, Kiki Rice just recently made her return.

01:04:46.598 --> 01:04:49.760
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, she's, you know, obviously trying to work her way back into to game shape.

01:04:50.361 --> 01:05:00.427
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Tammy, I don't know if they're managing her, like her minutes or because of these injuries, like she's not, she's getting load management, but she, uh, she has returned.

01:05:02.310 --> 01:05:07.255
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, uh, so I don't know, but that they would be great.

01:05:07.635 --> 01:05:13.061
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming she's going to make the trip because, you know, like, she'll get like that great, you know, warm or something.

01:05:13.081 --> 01:05:13.601
[SPEAKER_03]: You booed.

01:05:13.701 --> 01:05:18.165
[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what they did that she wanted the Valkyries fans just to be more hostile and start booing.

01:05:18.186 --> 01:05:22.930
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think a Valkyries fan was like, and we'll, we'll, we'll boo for you when you come back and she's like, you better.

01:05:23.311 --> 01:05:26.013
[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to still do the same thing with Carla.

01:05:27.233 --> 01:05:31.696
[SPEAKER_00]: and Monique Billings, they will get like an incredible Yeah, absolutely.

01:05:31.716 --> 01:05:35.858
[SPEAKER_00]: Round of applause in introductions, but in game, they will get boot.

01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:43.222
[SPEAKER_02]: Go and Ghost reminded us that they did make a trade for any tomorrow, right?

01:05:43.743 --> 01:05:49.906
[SPEAKER_00]: They did, yeah, just earlier today, for a 2028 second round pick, you know,

01:05:54.157 --> 01:05:57.280
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, I need so it's probably won't play Sunday, right?

01:05:57.300 --> 01:05:58.541
[SPEAKER_03]: It's probably like the second game.

01:05:58.601 --> 01:06:01.623
[SPEAKER_03]: I got mean, I feel like this usually have these things go.

01:06:01.643 --> 01:06:02.344
[SPEAKER_03]: They don't play or doesn't.

01:06:02.444 --> 01:06:03.125
[SPEAKER_00]: I would assume.

01:06:03.285 --> 01:06:04.646
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we'll see.

01:06:05.186 --> 01:06:07.648
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get like the activist and everything like that.

01:06:07.688 --> 01:06:11.191
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, yeah, just a really interesting practice today.

01:06:11.672 --> 01:06:18.718
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, you know, the the standings are so tight

01:06:21.440 --> 01:06:25.022
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you, you don't want to be giving away games.

01:06:25.102 --> 01:06:25.522
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.

01:06:25.602 --> 01:06:26.262
[SPEAKER_00]: Feel you should win.

01:06:26.282 --> 01:06:36.247
[SPEAKER_00]: Now having said that, I believe Phoenix outright, they won that game, you know, but still, I largely agree with both of you.

01:06:36.367 --> 01:06:37.568
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they, they should have won it.

01:06:38.789 --> 01:06:42.751
[SPEAKER_00]: Since you did mention Dallas, I'm just gonna say, like, before we got on,

01:06:44.131 --> 01:06:59.865
[SPEAKER_00]: Melissa Trebwasser, right, of the nine, she wrote an article where she, you know, had an article today about, again, I'm paraphrasing here, I'm just kind of summarizing it, but the, like the Dallas wings kind of lack of identity.

01:07:00.667 --> 01:07:05.630
[SPEAKER_00]: right that they win games because of sheer individual brilliance.

01:07:06.551 --> 01:07:08.092
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a lack of consistency.

01:07:08.112 --> 01:07:19.759
[SPEAKER_00]: And so for the fans who believe that the Valkyrie should stand pat, I will say that that is probably one of the Valk's biggest strengths, right, is that they absolutely are aware of what their identity is.

01:07:20.339 --> 01:07:20.980
[SPEAKER_00]: And even like

01:07:22.416 --> 01:07:43.689
[SPEAKER_00]: even some other teams that fancy themselves contenders, they don't, like there are times where they really don't know, you know, either like, you know, what, like the tempo or the nuances of the given line-ups they're a part of, you know, the values, they may have their limitations, but that's not one of them, you know?

01:07:43.749 --> 01:07:44.029
[SPEAKER_00]: So,

01:07:45.298 --> 01:07:46.119
[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.

01:07:46.179 --> 01:07:51.967
[SPEAKER_00]: Like just again, like the different dynamics of each of these, like, you know, play off contenders.

01:07:52.447 --> 01:07:56.572
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, you know, there's, there's Dallas is at a lot of change over over the last couple years.

01:07:56.612 --> 01:07:58.275
[SPEAKER_02]: So that kind of does make sense, right?

01:07:58.335 --> 01:08:01.078
[SPEAKER_02]: They, you know, they've, they've gone from.

01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:06.922
[SPEAKER_02]: having the first pick in the draft to all of sudden now being a playoff squad.

01:08:06.982 --> 01:08:08.403
[SPEAKER_02]: So that does make sense.

01:08:08.423 --> 01:08:12.726
[SPEAKER_02]: They have to kind of build what the Valkyries were able to build in two years.

01:08:12.846 --> 01:08:13.787
[SPEAKER_02]: So it's pretty amazing.

01:08:13.847 --> 01:08:20.892
[SPEAKER_03]: If they try to do anything at the deadline, they'll be, they've got, I guess, a few names, but Colorado, we talked

01:08:21.792 --> 01:08:41.382
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think two podcasts to go and I think we both were like, you know, it's just more likely than not that your team's not going to make a trade at the deadline just because of like the history of the WMBA deadline not many deals are made and just even, you know, both MBA and WMBA like it just feels like more likely than not that, you know, your team might not make a move at the deadline, but do you think, you know,

01:08:43.340 --> 01:08:52.467
[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we probably have both changed our opinion on it feels more likely, like in the sense of say we're at zero percent of the trade's going to happen.

01:08:52.487 --> 01:08:54.489
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe we're at 10 if 20.

01:08:55.389 --> 01:09:00.653
[SPEAKER_03]: Where do you think you are now with a potential trade for the Valkyries or are you?

01:09:00.673 --> 01:09:02.254
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.

01:09:02.294 --> 01:09:05.257
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what do you want to do it on a percentage base or just like a likely base.

01:09:06.147 --> 01:09:08.270
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I'm, I'm 50 50.

01:09:08.450 --> 01:09:09.051
[SPEAKER_00]: It's coin flare.

01:09:09.772 --> 01:09:12.136
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I asked Kenzo actually earlier today.

01:09:12.176 --> 01:09:14.599
[SPEAKER_00]: He said he's more 40 60, you know.

01:09:15.172 --> 01:09:21.856
[SPEAKER_03]: That's probably where I am, but I want to be, I want to be 60, 40, you know, I think I'm probably 40, 60 with Ken's.

01:09:21.896 --> 01:09:31.141
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just again, and I know people are probably tired of like hearing, are there about Kelsey Plum or specifically hearing us talk about Kelsey Plum?

01:09:31.161 --> 01:09:31.801
[SPEAKER_03]: It's only been a week, guys.

01:09:32.581 --> 01:09:41.826
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think it's this specific trade scenario because again, right, it lines up with

01:09:45.277 --> 01:10:03.136
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, kind of feel comfortable with, you know, because I largely agree, I don't think they're going to necessarily risk disrupting chemistry for something or someone that they really just don't feel a sense of confidence about and that's not talent, but again, whether that's

01:10:04.140 --> 01:10:12.302
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, personality or kind of like they're overall disposition, you know, like the way that they approach games.

01:10:13.223 --> 01:10:15.763
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so that's why.

01:10:16.003 --> 01:10:27.186
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's why I wouldn't say like if you want to frame it as plum or bust, yeah, because I just, there are other players that would really be great to add, but they just don't seem realistic.

01:10:27.666 --> 01:10:28.447
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of it because of the

01:10:29.897 --> 01:10:36.241
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know how many times I can think of where a potential top, you know, you whatever top five, top seven player is available.

01:10:36.982 --> 01:10:39.283
[SPEAKER_03]: And it doesn't seem like it'll cost you an arm and a leg.

01:10:39.584 --> 01:10:44.107
[SPEAKER_03]: And acquiring that player could bump you into legit, contention status.

01:10:44.127 --> 01:10:44.687
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I don't know.

01:10:45.007 --> 01:10:51.712
[SPEAKER_03]: I can't think of many options where it seems like it's a realist to get not only is it a realist to get, but it's not going to cost you an arm and a leg.

01:10:51.972 --> 01:10:54.454
[SPEAKER_03]: And I, you know, it sounds like the spark prices.

01:10:56.114 --> 01:10:59.796
[SPEAKER_03]: But I mean, that one came at a left field, man.

01:11:00.636 --> 01:11:01.636
[SPEAKER_03]: And that didn't even exist.

01:11:01.696 --> 01:11:08.779
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was like the consultants in the L.A. Sparks for an office right now.

01:11:09.559 --> 01:11:10.079
[SPEAKER_00]: Give him a hug.

01:11:10.099 --> 01:11:10.179
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:11:15.271 --> 01:11:17.852
[SPEAKER_00]: incredible incredible.

01:11:17.973 --> 01:11:24.516
[SPEAKER_02]: I had to talk a lot of a giants with a podcast that was very complimentary of you.

01:11:25.577 --> 01:11:28.499
[SPEAKER_02]: Konrado, the pesky podcast I was on there.

01:11:28.539 --> 01:11:29.339
[SPEAKER_02]: It's guys are great.

01:11:29.779 --> 01:11:30.880
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, that was a lot of fun.

01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:31.860
[SPEAKER_02]: I had a blast doing it.

01:11:32.061 --> 01:11:37.324
[SPEAKER_02]: And Konrado recommended me for their show because he they usually ask him to do giant stuff.

01:11:37.364 --> 01:11:38.784
[SPEAKER_02]: But so I was there.

01:11:38.844 --> 01:11:39.545
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a lot of fun.

01:11:40.586 --> 01:11:46.855
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, so game Sunday game Tuesday will figure out our recording schedule for next week, but this was a blast.

01:11:46.875 --> 01:11:50.059
[SPEAKER_02]: We were able to fit in two episodes on everyone's busy schedule.

01:11:50.740 --> 01:11:55.227
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to try and continue to do the more content, more podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for the audio feed people, that the new feed, the Padhala only feed is almost done.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's an Apple podcast thing that takes a little while and we'll strategically figure out when we complete the roll over there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But just to heads up that if you listen to us on the podcast feed, we will have our own podcast feed, Padhala so you will find it there instead of on the

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[SPEAKER_02]: So for Conrado and Kenzo, who made his debut, and Brian as well, I am WG, we will see you when we see you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Also, thanks to all of the people who were in the chat today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We had a ton of people watching live, appreciate all of you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Peace out.