Aug. 3, 2026
Giants Trade Deadline Recap: Arraez, Ray, Miller & Ramos All Dealt | Thompson 2 Clark
In this episode of Thompson 2 Clark, Brad Evans and Garrett Gonzales break down every move the San Francisco Giants made at the August 3 trade deadline as the front office fully committed to selling. Luis Arraez and Caleb Kilian went to the Phillies for RHP Ramon Marquez (Philadelphia's No. 4 prospect) and RHP Marty Gair, Tyler Mahle was dealt to the Braves for RHP Anthony Molina, and Robbie Ray headed to the Padres for RHP Miguel Mendez and 17-year-old shortstop Joniel Hernandez. In the deal fans are still talking about, Erik Miller and Carlos Gutierrez went to the Red Sox for former No. 4 overall pick Marcelo Mayer, and Heliot Ramos was sent to the Yankees for LHP Henry Lalane and infielder Kaeden Kent, son of Giants legend Jeff Kent. Brad and Garrett react to every return and map out what the Giants' farm system looks like heading into the stretch run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the first of two shows this week, Brad Evans and I here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were going to come back over the weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Jackson do anything over the weekend, so there's nothing to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing happened until Sunday night after the game, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler, yeah, Tyler Malie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the first one on Sunday night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a trade deadline madness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember honestly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember a trade deadline like this for the giants with this much talent changing hands in a very long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So clearly their intention
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[SPEAKER_01]: was to beef up their pitching staff for their pitching prospects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As we, as we've been talking about all season, they are very stacked heavily in mental infielders as their top prospects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the younger ones and they needed to beef up the pitching prospects and some you can see it because we'll talk about this a little bit later, but you know, they have some spots to feel trading two guys out of the rotation and it's like, uh, we're not exactly sure who's going to start these games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's part of the calculus in in beefing up the the prospects on the
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[SPEAKER_01]: was bare and Jackson, Flora, number one draft pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was part of that as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what, like we've been very critical of Buster Posey this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not just from the baseball decision side of things, also the PR side of things, the marketing side of things, the kind of leadership side of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's mostly been negative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can just look at the record and you can see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He seemingly had a really, really good deadline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, some of this, and really, the reason why this is so fun is because we just don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know how these players are gonna turn out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The hope is there as it is always with rookies and young players, but the giants also got a guy from the Red Sox.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the Red Sox just gave up on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because as a kind of a toss-in for Eric Miller, that was an interesting trade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think of the, of the mayor trade?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that is an interesting one because a lot of Sox fans are basically saying, you know, we got rid of them five months ago in our heads, you know, they, they were kind of done with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's had so many injuries and so many other issues going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but still a very good talent and to take a flyer on a guy like that for Eric Miller and again Eric Miller's guy let us see what does he have three arbitration years left after this season he'll be a free agent in 2030 but he'll be 32 years old at that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and he's 28 right now and he's he's still having a hard time finding this track zone still having a hard time being that late ining guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did get a save the other night and and I think Sioux sack was saying and after the game he said that's we want the pissed off Eric Miller that's guy we want to to be in the night didn't but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's either in you or it's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you have to get pissed off to get a save, maybe it's just not there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're just not tonight to any guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did a good job for us is a good left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a wicked slider and it's going to be even more wicked in Boston because as a matter of what they say there, they say wicked quite often.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he's going to go there with a slider.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to impress, but I don't think he can be a lady any leverage guy for them, but for us to get back mayor, I mean, he can play all over the infield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They say his true position is second base.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we talked about all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got plenty of short stops for the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We may not see KC Schmidt at second base much longer if Chapman gets moved in say the off season or next.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know at the next trade deadline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And 2027, but you never know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So so get in an infielder who can play all around and he does have that that Stress fracture right now he's working back from that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we still probably will see him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think By the end of the year He's already been he's already used an option this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's played in 70 games for the red socks at the end
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[SPEAKER_00]: that the big club this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's option for this year has already been used.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no harm and bringing him up and you know he'll do his rehab assignment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we'll see him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited and I'm taking a flyer on a guy who's you know has been ranked so high in so many preseason boards over the last couple of seasons that you know why not at this point?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The big, I guess the biggest news for Giants fans when it comes to guys that we've watched play over the years, Elio Robo's went really late up against the deadline to the Yankees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he is a guy and we've we've been talking about what his trade value is for the last two years now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: wasn't that he was a bad player in any ways for all of our not sure he's the right fit on this team the way that they are designed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to play that left field in this park and we know defensively for outfield there's this park is a little tougher than most and because of the way that the giant's roster is they just flat out cannot play him at DH.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there are going to be opportunities for him in New York to play the Alfield, but also probably to play some D. H. So it'll be there'll be more flexibility with his right handed bat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to miss him though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's a guy who we've watched him and I think he joined the the what they drafted him when he was like 19 or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've had I think he was even younger than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, maybe it was, we've had, you know, we've been hearing about him for, it feels like 10 years now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I, I think this is a good move for the giants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It hurts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the one move that's going to hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We hated to see your eyes go, but what we knew that one was going to happen, this one we weren't quite sure about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one, I think, is going to hurt the most.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to hurt for a real long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's he's kind of a heart and soul of the outfielder's We play as with a lot of flair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a lot of personality 20 home run guy is his OPS plus over the past two seasons is just over 100 I think is 104 this year when oh eight last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just you know OPS plus of just about league average
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to get the pieces back that they did get for him and Henry Lennlaine, 22-year-old, high-a-pitcher, lots of potential with him, and Caden Kent, you know, Jeff Kent's son, which is pretty crazy because Jeff Kent was just put into the Hall of Fame a week ago, and he's an infielder also in high-a.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But with Romus gone, I think it's going to open up some competition for possibly Bo David to next season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bo David's is going to be in AAA in the rest of this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said you guys the list of potential outfield free agents next season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not sexy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not that many names on it that you know that the big names have club options.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Ronald the Koon you junior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to sign anywhere else other than Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to stick around Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sayya Suzuki is kind of intriguing that would be interesting for the Giants because they went after him when he came over from Japan, I think they were got to runners up in that situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be kind of an open audition for Outfielders, but again they're bolstering
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[SPEAKER_00]: the minor league systems you can trade for outfielders uh... if you hit the off season and you've got a team that says you know what we need to rebuild we don't want to pay this guy the giants can now go out there they've got pieces to go out and get uh... you know big outfielders because it is we've seen it's hard to get
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, main, big off-season outfielders to come to the Giants, they have a hard time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where again, we talk about is it the ballpark, is it the pitch?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it, you know, the pitch that the Giants are making and the off-season to them, what is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now they can trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that now they have trade pieces to be able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the lane is he's in their high A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was in high A with the Yankees 22 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was like their fifth prospect in their rankings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And can't also was in high A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Ramos seemed like the guy who's going to bring back the most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that means that the lane was the best prospect at the giant's grab.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we'll talk about some of these other trades where it seems like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the fans losing the players were a little bit more upset with that was kind of fun to watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you can see that I think there's a there's an account called future fillies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're covering the fillies, minorly organization and when Ramon Marquez went, you know, there was some sadness going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So some of that, well, let's talk about the arise trade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, arise and Caleb Killian to the fillies for Ramon Marquez, the fillies number four prospect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think is a top 100 guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and Marty Gare, who is in, uh, uh, hi a reliever, uh, they come to the giants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I imagine, uh, Marquez will immediately
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[SPEAKER_01]: whatever the top six or seven for the Giants is maybe even better than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's actually out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was going to say he's actually number seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look today, MLB did a good job of updating their website, cause that with or without flora.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's with flora.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's with I believe flora is four and Mark has seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, yeah, I mean, you have two big arms in that top seven for the giants that they did not have a month ago, so there you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how this thing works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just back to a rise real quick though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, we've been talking about him as like the one guy we wish would just play for the giants forever because of how he plays baseball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But coming into the season, we knew that if they did not go far, that he was going to be the ultimate trade piece because he only signed for one year deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they signed him with the idea that if we are not competitive that he is going to be a trade piece for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was part of the strategy and as it turns out,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What a fantastic signing because we got to see him play really good baseball for more than half of the season he got to reestablish himself as a defensive player and then you can bring back players when you do trade him as a rental and I don't think that's going to happen, but I always joking that
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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe just bring them back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw what he could do like maybe, you know, but they are probably going to lean towards the younger side of things more throughout these next couple years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's going to be, and I was joking about this earlier, but I'm dead serious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you thought this team was a little tough to watch, the past couple months, it's not going to be pretty the rest of the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it okay tonight?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I read you today's line up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got the game on right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm watching Willy hit, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: let me read you today's lineup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was Nate Furman starting at DH.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jung Hulie hit in second and right field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A Domus hit in third at short.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Devers at first, hit in fourth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Susack hit in five hole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who catching?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Drew Gilbert six in center field but so be the Mason Miller killer At second base grant McCray in left Chris costs at third so Yeah, that's a spring training lineup right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that's what happens when you're almost 20 games under 500 at the
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[SPEAKER_00]: that the trade deadline, you're major league roster is not going to get better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and again, we could see Parks Harbor, we could see Bo Davidson in the next month.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible, but those guys just got to AAA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: so I know I know fans are going to be calling for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be shocked if those guys were up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be fighting for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could be September, guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know again, you're using an option here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to start using an option here at the end of the season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do the option here's count in September?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll look that up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a space done the percentage of games that you played or so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you know what it might it might not be again that the last CBA wasn't too sure How they did that because remember they dropped it to used to be able to call up an X amount of guys now I think it's only like you go from 26 to 28 or 29.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's only a few guys Yeah, so it's possible options are not used in that sort of look that one up, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: But either way, yeah, maybe we'll see them then that could be fighting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Bo David's definitely be fighting for an outfield spot next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the question is where do we go from here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What does 2027 look like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does it look like a free agency frenzy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does 2027 look more like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: an audition for 2028 is that when all of 2027 is going to be so it's going to be interesting to see kind of how this plays out is Logan Webb going to be happy if that's going to be the case is yeah, do you burn another year of him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That that's the tough part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you if you have to burn another year of Logan Webb and he's on a team that that could possibly all again be 20 games under 500 by the the trade deadline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That that point is he putting it in busters here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've only got a couple more years left on my contract.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be in the playoffs, get me somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next year's going to be really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was something we anticipated for the last month or so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this was not a mystery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The last couple of years, we've had it where we've gone into two or three weeks before the trade deadline thinking, are we buyers or sellers?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the beginning of July and say, if they could just make a run, they could, they could be buyers if they lose, you know, if they're, if they're under 500 for the next couple of weeks, then more sellers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was that close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was not a mystery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the giants had quite a bit of time and Logan Web at quite a bit of a time to, to digest this one and know what was going to happen at the trade deadline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So not a shocker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first trade, which was the Molly trade, like you said, an amally trade, Anthony Molina breaks 14 prospect has been solid in the miners, but not so great in the big leagues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is 24, so he, like I don't know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: where he is going if he's going to come up to the big big league team or not, but he is probably, I mean, they could use him because one of the things about like we said losing these arms the way that we did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is the rotation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The way that they're going to add guys the rotation is like Blake Ted Wells is going to get a start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just brought him up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carson wasn't hunt will be up and you know, you mentioned this in the chat that you kind of see him a little bit more as a reliever and I've heard that as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, he's he's going to have he's going to have to eat innings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, houses are going to be back in the rotation to eat innings and I kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: Andrew Baggerley wrote a pretty interesting article about the Padres, who beat the Giants two out of three this last weekend and he says that three out of four, which is what I think pushed them to trade with us for Bobby Ray that kind of helped us out a little bit, you know, we went in there, got our bloods kicked and got some prospects out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And part of Baggerley's analysis was that on paper, the teams are pretty similar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing that is different about the Padres is that they utilize their rotation and bullpen a lot more creatively than the giants do, they utilize openers, they bring in guys to throw three innings in the middle of games, um, and, and,
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[SPEAKER_01]: just that, you know, they don't have a single starting pitcher like a Logan Web who's just going to eat innings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to mix and match and have to be creative and that's not that's not what the giants have done this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have tried to be an old school traditional five man rotation, one through five, everybody can can pitch into the six inning kind of team and I think they've lost some games because of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen Fatelo lean on guys and oh, you know, I think you can get this out and then boom the game kind of gets away and and it's like that that may not even be his fault that may just be what is coming from the top like, hey, we want these got we want to stretch these starters because our bullpen sucks and we were exposing the bullpen if we bring them into much and that so there was also part of his article where I think it might have been the brewer's game or something where.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Keaton win had to like close out the ninth inning and they're up by like 13 runs and it was a back-to-back game for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like the giants weren't even really throw a position player out there like they have been just really, really stubborn about how they use their rotation and they're both in and it could have bitten them in the rear end a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we have been anti openers because we thought that Farhan spammed it away too much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like not fun to watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, I do think that they could have been a little bit more creative this year to try and eek out some of those games that they would just end up losing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing it would have made a whole lot of difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're talking, you know, five games better in the win column.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if you were, if you did that a little bit better, which, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: for teams at baseball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's hard, too, because when you look in AAA, you'll know what we'll bring some guys up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if they've done that, or River Martinez is back up, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've seen these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen Bivins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen these guys before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a whole lot of
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[SPEAKER_00]: change in what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Giants did just trade for a bevy of arms that are, you know, high-a arms, double-a arms, and some of those guys are going to fizzle out a starter, so maybe they're going to make fantastic, you know, mid-relievers, late-relievers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the script needs to be flipped in the off season and and I think you need to pay some money to get some bullpen arms You don't have to pay Edwin Diaz money and get a guy like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean you you can get, you know, we've had guys like Jeremy Assault in the past and
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[SPEAKER_00]: And guys like that, where you don't have to break the bank, but there's specialists who can hit the strike zone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's important that you do pay for those guys because like you were saying, I mean, it helps your starters, big time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If your starters are going, hey, I went six innings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I gave up one run and we scored two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but we're gonna lose and they come out knowing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a tough mentality to take with you back into the dugout and back into the clubhouse after the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, so I think I'd like to see the Giants pay a little bit because again, there's nobody coming from AAA that's gonna be that guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're also going to need to pay for some starters, offensively, I know this offense is stuff to launch every now and then, but really, they can hold their own, they're a middle of the road offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you could just pay for some pitching and get some of these guys in here to Oracle to hold some leads, I think that's going to go a long way for this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was the last few deals here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Robbie, ready to the pod race.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Giants received right hand to pitcher Miguel Mendez, who's the pod race number four prospect on both fan graphs and MLB pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Yoniel Hernandez, who's an international signi, kind of fits the same,
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[SPEAKER_01]: age range that Luis Hernandez and Joe Swar and level had had been in as young teenage or 17 years old coming up through the ranks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And with Hernandez at San Jose already, like they're now, there's next year, there could be a spot for for Yoneel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was kind of an interesting one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see that one coming and you kind of
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[SPEAKER_01]: what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where the pod I guess he was an unranked prospect and at 17 years old, I don't know what that means, but you know, I saw a lot of clips of him and people thinking that he was the real deal and I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if he's the real deal, why was he unranked?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Mendez, high, high 90s fastball, slider change up and again, just doubling down on the pitching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: you trade for short stops, you gather short stops because they're your best athletes on the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could probably move them around if you need to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By the time these guys get up,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to revert tire from work and I mean this is like four years from now so that's how long it's going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll be at the ballpark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, what's going to happen is one of these, one of these guys, two of these guys are going to fizz a lot or they're going to come up with, you know, they're going to be injury prone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: something is going to change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you can gather the prospects at that age, you're not hurting anything, you're developing them, you're seeing what they can be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If all free of them pan out and you can go through second and short with these three dudes, they're massive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: young men.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're 17, 18, 19 years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are enormous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen clips of them and they're not your normal size late teenagers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you at 17.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 17 years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was probably 140 pounds and definitely in the five five range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so these guys, they're going to come up and they're going to fill out the infield if they can all, you know, continue to be the guys that they're going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you can use them later as trade bait if you've got, and say you've got a whole, you need a whole, you've got something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants are going to be back in that position and hopefully three, four years where they can actually trade away some of these pieces that they're gathering right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is just, you know, bullets in the chamber for when they're competing again,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to need these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just haven't been in that position a long time when they've been able to just dump guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about Caleb Gillian earlier, how we traded them more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We traded them away also for Chris Bryant in 2021.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's how I was joking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, we need to...
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[SPEAKER_00]: They need to release them in the offseason the fillies and then we need to pick them back up and then trade them again next year so we could trade them back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Many times in a career, but yeah, so yeah, having having those bullets in your chamber just be able to you know move guys and get pieces later on is going to be pretty important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So gather now gather gather gather.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so just an update on the prospects they received back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the reliever Molina, 24, he is someone with big league games, big league experience, Ramon Mark has 21.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was last in high A. I sort of saw him as like maybe a right-handed Carson Wizzan hunt who could probably up his velocity as he ages, because he's still so young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Marty Gare, the other person in that Philly's trade, high A, reliever, 23 years old, Miguel Melendez, he is 24, and he is a AA picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: little old for for double a bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they can get him through quickly if he really is the good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hernandez 17 in the DSL League.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lalaine 22 high A, Kaden Kent 22.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also high A, you haven't made the the bonds and Kent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we are going to have a bonds and kit, maybe in the dugout of few years, and as long as there's no shoving, I think we should be all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just mentally shoving each other on the field to hit more home runs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, I mean, bonds is kind of a home run hitter, but I'm not sure Caden can't look at his numbers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's more of a, you know, 280 guys going to be your average hitter, not strike out a ton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His dad was kind of like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you surround him with guys who, you know, can hit, they become even better hitter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of, I mean, this whole trade deadline was a lot of high A guys, a lot of high A guys, a lot of double A guys, I know people aren't excited, you know, I saw a lot of writing about, you know, we made these great trades at the trade deadline, but none of these guys are going to help us in 2027.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, if they're turned around for trades, for controllable outfielders for three or four seasons, then sure, they actually do help us in 2027.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you never know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the thing about 2027 is it's really like there's no pitching that is going to help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like because if you think of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bryce would probably have been 2027.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's early, so you can add him to that list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like you said, if you can get some of those guys, one or two of those guys who's currently at AAA, maybe one of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: makes it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what are you going to say, uh, you know, mayor has to make the team unless they just give up on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be on the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just about how they use him and whether or not, you know, how valuable he is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you expect him to come in and just blossom into, you know, what he was supposed to be, that's probably a little bit unfair to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But uh, but yeah, like, you know, he unless he's just a zero, like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess the last thing here is the roster moves that they made today because they shipped a lot of guys out and they had to bring some guys in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Tristan Beck was recalled, uh, buddy Kennedy who was traded and then, or no, he was defade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: then he was claimed and then we traded back for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that how it worked?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, that's possible actually because now with the waiver claim and trade, I think that might have happened, but I think he was just claimed outright off of waivers, but yeah, that all happened so fast because he was claimed and then he was, uh, I think he was there yesterday, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just in case a rise got traded yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, uh, Sand Martine, like you said, recall to Mr. Baley Carson, see more back up as well and Blake Tidwell, who I believe is supposed to start one of these games in this Texas series.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there you have it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was going to be a short show because we're going to be back on Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Giants have a day off on Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do our normal Thursday show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And but we had to get this one in because this is news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the thing that we're waiting for over the weekend that we got today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was it was fast and heavy today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was coming pretty quick every time I was about to go do something important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd get an alert to the chance or make it a tray.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just kept going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we we have a group chat
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dynasty like MLB, we have like minor leagues and we have like, you know, it's a keeper league and this long draft, it's this big roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that was the chat that was going crazy because these kids, you know, they're in their 20s, they're in their, you know, they're in their mid 20s, they're so into prospects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they knew like all of these guys that were being shipped out because that's kind of the focus, it in this league, you kind of have to pay attention to prospects too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So absolutely, and Dynasty leagues are real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never played in one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are intimidating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure I'd ever play in one because it is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a long-term thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to say this faction of one season of fantasy baseball, finishing dead metal, and then having to do it all over again this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so hard, because I've had two minor leagueers graduate to the majors, and I didn't know the rules well enough, so I actually just made them active, and they were short-term stays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, another back in the minors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have too many minor leagueers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now I can put them back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just, I'm just stashing these guys who are getting the play on my roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to figure it out all out, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's from here, we'll be back later in the week to kind of, we'll have a better look at what the current roster is, we'll know where all the prospects are going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of hoping some of these guys go to San Jose, because damn,
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[SPEAKER_01]: already got Gonzalez and Hernandez there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll get a flora start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll get some of these guys in San Jose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be a lot of fun to check them out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, that is it from here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For Brad, I am WG.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you when we see you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the first of two shows this week, Brad Evans and I here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were going to come back over the weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Jackson do anything over the weekend, so there's nothing to talk about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing happened until Sunday night after the game, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler, yeah, Tyler Malie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the first one on Sunday night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a trade deadline madness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember honestly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember a trade deadline like this for the giants with this much talent changing hands in a very long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So clearly their intention
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[SPEAKER_01]: was to beef up their pitching staff for their pitching prospects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As we, as we've been talking about all season, they are very stacked heavily in mental infielders as their top prospects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the younger ones and they needed to beef up the pitching prospects and some you can see it because we'll talk about this a little bit later, but you know, they have some spots to feel trading two guys out of the rotation and it's like, uh, we're not exactly sure who's going to start these games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's that's part of the calculus in in beefing up the the prospects on the
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[SPEAKER_01]: was bare and Jackson, Flora, number one draft pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was part of that as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what, like we've been very critical of Buster Posey this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not just from the baseball decision side of things, also the PR side of things, the marketing side of things, the kind of leadership side of things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's mostly been negative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can just look at the record and you can see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He seemingly had a really, really good deadline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, some of this, and really, the reason why this is so fun is because we just don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know how these players are gonna turn out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The hope is there as it is always with rookies and young players, but the giants also got a guy from the Red Sox.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the Red Sox just gave up on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because as a kind of a toss-in for Eric Miller, that was an interesting trade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think of the, of the mayor trade?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that is an interesting one because a lot of Sox fans are basically saying, you know, we got rid of them five months ago in our heads, you know, they, they were kind of done with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's had so many injuries and so many other issues going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but still a very good talent and to take a flyer on a guy like that for Eric Miller and again Eric Miller's guy let us see what does he have three arbitration years left after this season he'll be a free agent in 2030 but he'll be 32 years old at that point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and he's 28 right now and he's he's still having a hard time finding this track zone still having a hard time being that late ining guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did get a save the other night and and I think Sioux sack was saying and after the game he said that's we want the pissed off Eric Miller that's guy we want to to be in the night didn't but.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's either in you or it's not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you have to get pissed off to get a save, maybe it's just not there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're just not tonight to any guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did a good job for us is a good left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a wicked slider and it's going to be even more wicked in Boston because as a matter of what they say there, they say wicked quite often.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he's going to go there with a slider.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to impress, but I don't think he can be a lady any leverage guy for them, but for us to get back mayor, I mean, he can play all over the infield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They say his true position is second base.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and we talked about all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got plenty of short stops for the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We may not see KC Schmidt at second base much longer if Chapman gets moved in say the off season or next.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know at the next trade deadline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And 2027, but you never know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So so get in an infielder who can play all around and he does have that that Stress fracture right now he's working back from that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we still probably will see him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think By the end of the year He's already been he's already used an option this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's played in 70 games for the red socks at the end
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[SPEAKER_00]: that the big club this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's option for this year has already been used.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no harm and bringing him up and you know he'll do his rehab assignment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we'll see him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited and I'm taking a flyer on a guy who's you know has been ranked so high in so many preseason boards over the last couple of seasons that you know why not at this point?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The big, I guess the biggest news for Giants fans when it comes to guys that we've watched play over the years, Elio Robo's went really late up against the deadline to the Yankees.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he is a guy and we've we've been talking about what his trade value is for the last two years now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: wasn't that he was a bad player in any ways for all of our not sure he's the right fit on this team the way that they are designed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to play that left field in this park and we know defensively for outfield there's this park is a little tougher than most and because of the way that the giant's roster is they just flat out cannot play him at DH.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there are going to be opportunities for him in New York to play the Alfield, but also probably to play some D. H. So it'll be there'll be more flexibility with his right handed bat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to miss him though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's a guy who we've watched him and I think he joined the the what they drafted him when he was like 19 or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've had I think he was even younger than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, maybe it was, we've had, you know, we've been hearing about him for, it feels like 10 years now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I, I think this is a good move for the giants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It hurts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the one move that's going to hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We hated to see your eyes go, but what we knew that one was going to happen, this one we weren't quite sure about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one, I think, is going to hurt the most.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to hurt for a real long time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's he's kind of a heart and soul of the outfielder's We play as with a lot of flair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a lot of personality 20 home run guy is his OPS plus over the past two seasons is just over 100 I think is 104 this year when oh eight last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just you know OPS plus of just about league average
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to get the pieces back that they did get for him and Henry Lennlaine, 22-year-old, high-a-pitcher, lots of potential with him, and Caden Kent, you know, Jeff Kent's son, which is pretty crazy because Jeff Kent was just put into the Hall of Fame a week ago, and he's an infielder also in high-a.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But with Romus gone, I think it's going to open up some competition for possibly Bo David to next season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bo David's is going to be in AAA in the rest of this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said you guys the list of potential outfield free agents next season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not sexy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not that many names on it that you know that the big names have club options.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Ronald the Koon you junior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to sign anywhere else other than Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to stick around Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sayya Suzuki is kind of intriguing that would be interesting for the Giants because they went after him when he came over from Japan, I think they were got to runners up in that situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be kind of an open audition for Outfielders, but again they're bolstering
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[SPEAKER_00]: the minor league systems you can trade for outfielders uh... if you hit the off season and you've got a team that says you know what we need to rebuild we don't want to pay this guy the giants can now go out there they've got pieces to go out and get uh... you know big outfielders because it is we've seen it's hard to get
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, main, big off-season outfielders to come to the Giants, they have a hard time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where again, we talk about is it the ballpark, is it the pitch?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it, you know, the pitch that the Giants are making and the off-season to them, what is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now they can trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that now they have trade pieces to be able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the lane is he's in their high A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was in high A with the Yankees 22 years old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was like their fifth prospect in their rankings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And can't also was in high A.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Ramos seemed like the guy who's going to bring back the most.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that means that the lane was the best prospect at the giant's grab.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we'll talk about some of these other trades where it seems like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the fans losing the players were a little bit more upset with that was kind of fun to watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you can see that I think there's a there's an account called future fillies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're covering the fillies, minorly organization and when Ramon Marquez went, you know, there was some sadness going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So some of that, well, let's talk about the arise trade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, arise and Caleb Killian to the fillies for Ramon Marquez, the fillies number four prospect.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think is a top 100 guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, and Marty Gare, who is in, uh, uh, hi a reliever, uh, they come to the giants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I imagine, uh, Marquez will immediately
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[SPEAKER_01]: whatever the top six or seven for the Giants is maybe even better than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's actually out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I was going to say he's actually number seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look today, MLB did a good job of updating their website, cause that with or without flora.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's with flora.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's with I believe flora is four and Mark has seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, yeah, I mean, you have two big arms in that top seven for the giants that they did not have a month ago, so there you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how this thing works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just back to a rise real quick though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, we've been talking about him as like the one guy we wish would just play for the giants forever because of how he plays baseball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But coming into the season, we knew that if they did not go far, that he was going to be the ultimate trade piece because he only signed for one year deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they signed him with the idea that if we are not competitive that he is going to be a trade piece for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was part of the strategy and as it turns out,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What a fantastic signing because we got to see him play really good baseball for more than half of the season he got to reestablish himself as a defensive player and then you can bring back players when you do trade him as a rental and I don't think that's going to happen, but I always joking that
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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe just bring them back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw what he could do like maybe, you know, but they are probably going to lean towards the younger side of things more throughout these next couple years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you know, it's going to be, and I was joking about this earlier, but I'm dead serious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you thought this team was a little tough to watch, the past couple months, it's not going to be pretty the rest of the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it okay tonight?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I read you today's line up?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I did not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got the game on right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm watching Willy hit, but yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: let me read you today's lineup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was Nate Furman starting at DH.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jung Hulie hit in second and right field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A Domus hit in third at short.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Devers at first, hit in fourth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Susack hit in five hole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who catching?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Drew Gilbert six in center field but so be the Mason Miller killer At second base grant McCray in left Chris costs at third so Yeah, that's a spring training lineup right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that's what happens when you're almost 20 games under 500 at the
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[SPEAKER_00]: that the trade deadline, you're major league roster is not going to get better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and again, we could see Parks Harbor, we could see Bo Davidson in the next month.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible, but those guys just got to AAA.
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[SPEAKER_00]: so I know I know fans are going to be calling for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd be shocked if those guys were up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be fighting for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could be September, guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know again, you're using an option here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to start using an option here at the end of the season?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do the option here's count in September?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought they did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll look that up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was a space done the percentage of games that you played or so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you know what it might it might not be again that the last CBA wasn't too sure How they did that because remember they dropped it to used to be able to call up an X amount of guys now I think it's only like you go from 26 to 28 or 29.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's only a few guys Yeah, so it's possible options are not used in that sort of look that one up, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: But either way, yeah, maybe we'll see them then that could be fighting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Bo David's definitely be fighting for an outfield spot next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the question is where do we go from here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What does 2027 look like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does it look like a free agency frenzy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does 2027 look more like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: an audition for 2028 is that when all of 2027 is going to be so it's going to be interesting to see kind of how this plays out is Logan Webb going to be happy if that's going to be the case is yeah, do you burn another year of him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That that's the tough part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you if you have to burn another year of Logan Webb and he's on a team that that could possibly all again be 20 games under 500 by the the trade deadline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That that point is he putting it in busters here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've only got a couple more years left on my contract.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be in the playoffs, get me somewhere else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next year's going to be really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was something we anticipated for the last month or so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this was not a mystery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The last couple of years, we've had it where we've gone into two or three weeks before the trade deadline thinking, are we buyers or sellers?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the beginning of July and say, if they could just make a run, they could, they could be buyers if they lose, you know, if they're, if they're under 500 for the next couple of weeks, then more sellers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was that close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was not a mystery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the giants had quite a bit of time and Logan Web at quite a bit of a time to, to digest this one and know what was going to happen at the trade deadline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So not a shocker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the first trade, which was the Molly trade, like you said, an amally trade, Anthony Molina breaks 14 prospect has been solid in the miners, but not so great in the big leagues.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is 24, so he, like I don't know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: where he is going if he's going to come up to the big big league team or not, but he is probably, I mean, they could use him because one of the things about like we said losing these arms the way that we did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is the rotation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The way that they're going to add guys the rotation is like Blake Ted Wells is going to get a start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just brought him up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Carson wasn't hunt will be up and you know, you mentioned this in the chat that you kind of see him a little bit more as a reliever and I've heard that as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, he's he's going to have he's going to have to eat innings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, houses are going to be back in the rotation to eat innings and I kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: Andrew Baggerley wrote a pretty interesting article about the Padres, who beat the Giants two out of three this last weekend and he says that three out of four, which is what I think pushed them to trade with us for Bobby Ray that kind of helped us out a little bit, you know, we went in there, got our bloods kicked and got some prospects out of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And part of Baggerley's analysis was that on paper, the teams are pretty similar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing that is different about the Padres is that they utilize their rotation and bullpen a lot more creatively than the giants do, they utilize openers, they bring in guys to throw three innings in the middle of games, um, and, and,
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[SPEAKER_01]: just that, you know, they don't have a single starting pitcher like a Logan Web who's just going to eat innings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to mix and match and have to be creative and that's not that's not what the giants have done this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have tried to be an old school traditional five man rotation, one through five, everybody can can pitch into the six inning kind of team and I think they've lost some games because of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen Fatelo lean on guys and oh, you know, I think you can get this out and then boom the game kind of gets away and and it's like that that may not even be his fault that may just be what is coming from the top like, hey, we want these got we want to stretch these starters because our bullpen sucks and we were exposing the bullpen if we bring them into much and that so there was also part of his article where I think it might have been the brewer's game or something where.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Keaton win had to like close out the ninth inning and they're up by like 13 runs and it was a back-to-back game for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like the giants weren't even really throw a position player out there like they have been just really, really stubborn about how they use their rotation and they're both in and it could have bitten them in the rear end a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we have been anti openers because we thought that Farhan spammed it away too much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just like not fun to watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, I do think that they could have been a little bit more creative this year to try and eek out some of those games that they would just end up losing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing it would have made a whole lot of difference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're talking, you know, five games better in the win column.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if you were, if you did that a little bit better, which, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: for teams at baseball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's hard, too, because when you look in AAA, you'll know what we'll bring some guys up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if they've done that, or River Martinez is back up, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've seen these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen Bivins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen these guys before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a whole lot of
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[SPEAKER_00]: change in what's happening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Giants did just trade for a bevy of arms that are, you know, high-a arms, double-a arms, and some of those guys are going to fizzle out a starter, so maybe they're going to make fantastic, you know, mid-relievers, late-relievers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the script needs to be flipped in the off season and and I think you need to pay some money to get some bullpen arms You don't have to pay Edwin Diaz money and get a guy like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean you you can get, you know, we've had guys like Jeremy Assault in the past and
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[SPEAKER_00]: And guys like that, where you don't have to break the bank, but there's specialists who can hit the strike zone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's important that you do pay for those guys because like you were saying, I mean, it helps your starters, big time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If your starters are going, hey, I went six innings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I gave up one run and we scored two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but we're gonna lose and they come out knowing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a tough mentality to take with you back into the dugout and back into the clubhouse after the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, so I think I'd like to see the Giants pay a little bit because again, there's nobody coming from AAA that's gonna be that guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're also going to need to pay for some starters, offensively, I know this offense is stuff to launch every now and then, but really, they can hold their own, they're a middle of the road offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you could just pay for some pitching and get some of these guys in here to Oracle to hold some leads, I think that's going to go a long way for this team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it was the last few deals here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Robbie, ready to the pod race.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Giants received right hand to pitcher Miguel Mendez, who's the pod race number four prospect on both fan graphs and MLB pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Yoniel Hernandez, who's an international signi, kind of fits the same,
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[SPEAKER_01]: age range that Luis Hernandez and Joe Swar and level had had been in as young teenage or 17 years old coming up through the ranks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And with Hernandez at San Jose already, like they're now, there's next year, there could be a spot for for Yoneel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was kind of an interesting one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see that one coming and you kind of
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[SPEAKER_01]: what.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where the pod I guess he was an unranked prospect and at 17 years old, I don't know what that means, but you know, I saw a lot of clips of him and people thinking that he was the real deal and I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if he's the real deal, why was he unranked?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But Mendez, high, high 90s fastball, slider change up and again, just doubling down on the pitching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, it's
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[SPEAKER_00]: you trade for short stops, you gather short stops because they're your best athletes on the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You could probably move them around if you need to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By the time these guys get up,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to revert tire from work and I mean this is like four years from now so that's how long it's going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll be at the ballpark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, what's going to happen is one of these, one of these guys, two of these guys are going to fizz a lot or they're going to come up with, you know, they're going to be injury prone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: something is going to change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you can gather the prospects at that age, you're not hurting anything, you're developing them, you're seeing what they can be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If all free of them pan out and you can go through second and short with these three dudes, they're massive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: young men.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they're 17, 18, 19 years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are enormous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen clips of them and they're not your normal size late teenagers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you at 17.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 17 years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was probably 140 pounds and definitely in the five five range.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so these guys, they're going to come up and they're going to fill out the infield if they can all, you know, continue to be the guys that they're going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you can use them later as trade bait if you've got, and say you've got a whole, you need a whole, you've got something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants are going to be back in that position and hopefully three, four years where they can actually trade away some of these pieces that they're gathering right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is just, you know, bullets in the chamber for when they're competing again,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going to need these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just haven't been in that position a long time when they've been able to just dump guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about Caleb Gillian earlier, how we traded them more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We traded them away also for Chris Bryant in 2021.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's how I was joking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, we need to...
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[SPEAKER_00]: They need to release them in the offseason the fillies and then we need to pick them back up and then trade them again next year so we could trade them back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Many times in a career, but yeah, so yeah, having having those bullets in your chamber just be able to you know move guys and get pieces later on is going to be pretty important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So gather now gather gather gather.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so just an update on the prospects they received back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the reliever Molina, 24, he is someone with big league games, big league experience, Ramon Mark has 21.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was last in high A. I sort of saw him as like maybe a right-handed Carson Wizzan hunt who could probably up his velocity as he ages, because he's still so young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Marty Gare, the other person in that Philly's trade, high A, reliever, 23 years old, Miguel Melendez, he is 24, and he is a AA picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: little old for for double a bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully they can get him through quickly if he really is the good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hernandez 17 in the DSL League.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lalaine 22 high A, Kaden Kent 22.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also high A, you haven't made the the bonds and Kent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we are going to have a bonds and kit, maybe in the dugout of few years, and as long as there's no shoving, I think we should be all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just mentally shoving each other on the field to hit more home runs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, I mean, bonds is kind of a home run hitter, but I'm not sure Caden can't look at his numbers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's more of a, you know, 280 guys going to be your average hitter, not strike out a ton.
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[SPEAKER_01]: His dad was kind of like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you surround him with guys who, you know, can hit, they become even better hitter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of, I mean, this whole trade deadline was a lot of high A guys, a lot of high A guys, a lot of double A guys, I know people aren't excited, you know, I saw a lot of writing about, you know, we made these great trades at the trade deadline, but none of these guys are going to help us in 2027.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, if they're turned around for trades, for controllable outfielders for three or four seasons, then sure, they actually do help us in 2027.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you never know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think the thing about 2027 is it's really like there's no pitching that is going to help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like because if you think of
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bryce would probably have been 2027.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's early, so you can add him to that list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like you said, if you can get some of those guys, one or two of those guys who's currently at AAA, maybe one of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: makes it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what are you going to say, uh, you know, mayor has to make the team unless they just give up on him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be on the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just about how they use him and whether or not, you know, how valuable he is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you expect him to come in and just blossom into, you know, what he was supposed to be, that's probably a little bit unfair to him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But uh, but yeah, like, you know, he unless he's just a zero, like
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess the last thing here is the roster moves that they made today because they shipped a lot of guys out and they had to bring some guys in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Tristan Beck was recalled, uh, buddy Kennedy who was traded and then, or no, he was defade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: then he was claimed and then we traded back for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that how it worked?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, that's possible actually because now with the waiver claim and trade, I think that might have happened, but I think he was just claimed outright off of waivers, but yeah, that all happened so fast because he was claimed and then he was, uh, I think he was there yesterday, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just in case a rise got traded yesterday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, uh, Sand Martine, like you said, recall to Mr. Baley Carson, see more back up as well and Blake Tidwell, who I believe is supposed to start one of these games in this Texas series.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there you have it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was going to be a short show because we're going to be back on Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Giants have a day off on Thursday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll do our normal Thursday show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And but we had to get this one in because this is news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the thing that we're waiting for over the weekend that we got today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was it was fast and heavy today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was coming pretty quick every time I was about to go do something important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd get an alert to the chance or make it a tray.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just kept going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we we have a group chat
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dynasty like MLB, we have like minor leagues and we have like, you know, it's a keeper league and this long draft, it's this big roster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that was the chat that was going crazy because these kids, you know, they're in their 20s, they're in their, you know, they're in their mid 20s, they're so into prospects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they knew like all of these guys that were being shipped out because that's kind of the focus, it in this league, you kind of have to pay attention to prospects too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So absolutely, and Dynasty leagues are real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never played in one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are intimidating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure I'd ever play in one because it is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a long-term thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to say this faction of one season of fantasy baseball, finishing dead metal, and then having to do it all over again this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so hard, because I've had two minor leagueers graduate to the majors, and I didn't know the rules well enough, so I actually just made them active, and they were short-term stays.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, another back in the minors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have too many minor leagueers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So now I can put them back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just, I'm just stashing these guys who are getting the play on my roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Trying to figure it out all out, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's from here, we'll be back later in the week to kind of, we'll have a better look at what the current roster is, we'll know where all the prospects are going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of hoping some of these guys go to San Jose, because damn,
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[SPEAKER_01]: already got Gonzalez and Hernandez there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll get a flora start.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll get some of these guys in San Jose.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be a lot of fun to check them out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, all right, that is it from here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For Brad, I am WG.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you when we see you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace.
