Buster Posey's Legacy, Devers & Mayer's Fenway Return & Giants' Rotation Arms | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Thompson to Clark, Brad and W.G.

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[SPEAKER_00]: here on the Monday back in our normal time slot here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And originally, we were trying to think of some ideas, like, oh, you know, what do we want to talk about today?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we want to do something fun?

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not trying to news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, as it turned out, there is a decent amount of news once we kind of put the rundown together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the thing we were thinking about was our top five giants teams of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to, I think we're going to push that to the next week that, you know, maybe there's not a ton of things to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that will be coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for today, we do have a lot of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about the athletic article that came out on Buster Posey last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you listen to the podcast today that came out over the weekend, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The rates and barrels podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's on they also run it on YouTube so I checked that out to just the portion of the giants and it kind of sounded like when I was listening to it kind of sound like they were just going to do like a quick kind of segment on the giants and he talked about the giants for about 40 minutes on podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like an hour and ten minute podcast and 40 minutes of it was about the giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we're going to talk about that and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like we're gonna get Marcelo Meyer this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he and Raphael Devers are going back to Boston.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk a little bit about that, but I actually reached out to some folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of our buddies who were in a college football video game dynasty with Ryan Fantasia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a long time Red Sox fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just pinged his brain about thoughts about

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[SPEAKER_00]: Meyer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the guys at the pesky podcast, I did a thing on their show right for the trade deadline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I may go back this week to kind of preview that series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to try and make that work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I asked their guys and their two boss red socks podcasters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they sent me some feedback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk about Meyer kind of what to expect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've, I've just been on this thing where I think with kind of how boring this team is you get somebody who's got a little bit of charisma.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he just produces a little bit, I think he can be a pretty big star in this area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the tugboat came up today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the tugboat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk a little bit about Tidwell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about Carson Wizzan Hunt and who we've been sort of talking about for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the last three years and whether or not we expect those guys to do much in the future in this rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we have a pretty good idea about two of them, but we haven't really seen the tug boat, so we'll just kind of discuss what we know about the tug boat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about this Buster Pozy piece that came out in the athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't even, do you know how to pronounce the author's name Brittany?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it Geroli Geroli?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they say it at the beginning of that podcast because she's on it, and they just call her Brit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we just go with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so, so Brit, but I've been reading her stuff on the athletic for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a really good writer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's more of a national writer, though, and she did the thing on Buster and the title of her article was

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buster Posey's Giants Legacy is on the line as adulation is shifting to anger, and this is something that we've been talking about pretty much ever since he decided to become head of baseball operations, which is

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, you're beloved here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why would you risk that by taking this position that seems a little bit over your head?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe not even a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I read through the piece, I thought the piece was very well done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is from a more national perspective than local perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are things that you and I, I feel like we've been on,

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[SPEAKER_00]: her topic for months now and but she you know she's reporting and she's kind of putting it all together a little bit as a feature so behind the piece what is really kind of like

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[SPEAKER_00]: what other people think of what Buster's doing and in this piece, Buster specifically is like, why would I care about somebody's opinion who I wouldn't even go ask for advice?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like kind of his angle with the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's okay, it's a little defensive because I think like Buster's not gonna come to us for advice, like if we were power, Buster, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though you and I know way more about Giants history and Giants lore than I'm sure then he does, just goes well true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, the idea of like, oh yeah, I have, you know, really smart people who can give me feedback, like, why do I care what the media says?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, I get, I get that, especially when you're on a down season, you know, it could be frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing about that, I think we as fans, and essentially,

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[SPEAKER_00]: his entire fan base, Giants fan base that is frustrated with him, it is an interesting way of saying, I do not care what the fans think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he specifically talking about media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I couldn't tell based on the piece, he may have only been talking about talking heads, podcasters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He may have been mostly talking about K and B are who knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it did seem like I was like, hmm, okay, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Giants fans are really smart about a lot of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're kind of discrediting them in their criticalness of how the season has been going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Overall, what were some of your takeaways in reading that piece?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I almost had like kind of a positive outlook, reading it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that was me just wanting to have a positive outlook, but as I was reading it, and I thought, you know, all right, it sounds like he's got a vision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He kind of has an idea of where everything's going, but he's not wanting to show his cards almost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of felt like some things were help close to the vast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then, but then watching the rates and barrels podcast and the interview with Britt, and everything that you know Sarah and Derek Van Riper had to say, I didn't feel too good after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of felt like, oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This front office does need a lot of help and you and I've been saying that we've been talking about that for a little while that he does need a true like number two man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think Zach Minassian is that guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think a way somebody with way more experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in that position, who maybe has, you know, some experience with baseball operations, not just general managers and signing players and releasing players and, you know, moving players around and whatnot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But something with the overall baseball operations, a little more analytics, we said, you know, we were too analytic with Gabe Kapler, then with Bob Melvin, we were starting to go the other way, and then with Buster Posey and Tony Vitello.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like we've gone back to the field, part of baseball, which is not working right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, you've got a guy in Tony Vitello that he hired that is not a field guy yet because he's only managed 120 games in the majors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, what I kind of got from it is, yes, there may be,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There may be an idea and a plan and a direction that these teams is heading, but he sure is how it wasn't going to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't going to say that article, what that plan is, whether it's, we're going to have to start ditching some of these big contracts and bringing up some of the young guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a rough couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony, if I tell those are guys to lead the young crop of players that are coming up, none of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just kind of, you know, hey, we're just pointed and the way things are going, you know, by tells the right guy, we're moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, and a lot of it was kind of Brits commentary on it, which I get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was the one doing the interview and speaking with him, so she knows best, I think, you know, when it comes to the, the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the attitude and the feel of what the answers were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went into it thinking, oh, this is a hit piece.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be nasty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be ugly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When it, when it turned, it wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was pretty thoughtful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought it was not a hit piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's our guy that we, that we brought on, when the last lockout, his Twitter name is baseball Jeff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forget his last

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, I talked to him a lot on the on blue sky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't know why the last name is not there right now, but uh, I'll find it here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think on on X, he's a baseball Jeff one really smart follow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love just reading his tweets in a place where, you know, I will say, Giants Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is actually pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a lot of, you know, super negative, like really bad accounts on giants Twitter, so I really do enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But basically baseball Jeff, I remember when the piece came out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He sensed that there was a little bit of Andrew Baggerly help in Britney's peace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, okay, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a bag, sometimes people think bags takes cheap shots or writes in a very condescending way sometime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I enjoy it because he knows how to use his words sometimes like a sword.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he, so Jeff's like, yeah, I wonder for this bag of the, but, you know, if Bag of the wrote that thing, maybe he did have some help in the reporting, but you could just read the piece that Bag of the wrote on Vatelo, uh, the other day when he had to call the team meeting after Sunday's horrendous game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Baguerly is not afraid to mince words and I don't think Brittany went out of her way to really, you know, say anything negative or super duper critical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just kind of reported what people were saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what the people are saying, and if you have listened to me talk to Jared seed, uh, seedler from Sideler from, uh, baseball perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the shows that, you know, when Brad goes on vacation, every in Jared, every once and again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And pretty much the day that Buster took over the reins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, yeah, like I understand sometimes when you go so hard into analytics, sometimes you pull back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, but I've never seen it to where they go like the opposite way, where they just do a 180, and they just go screw analytics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going back to the old school scouting method and that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they probably pulled back a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like you said, it was an over-correction from the Farhan era where Farhan made it really hard to kind of root for your team because it was almost like every player was a chess piece rather than an actual personality of a human being.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they really zagged the other way and now you have what we have today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And honestly,

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[SPEAKER_00]: if they were better than maybe you'd be a little bit more for the the zagging but because these last two years it has been a proof of concept not working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you, man, we need, I don't know if it's even an Asian thing, but you can't fire buster, buster is a, you know, he's a park, he's a minority owner in the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would hope that they could bring in somebody who's a little bit more on the of the analytical mind, but if you're so still deep in the scouting and if you got Sabian on the bat phone,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is really what your mentality is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If someone with more of an analytical mind came in, he'd probably get overruled, I would imagine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you know, she did say Brit did say during the rates and barrels podcast that you know, it basically is Buster does have the final say, even though he's not, you know, surrounding himself with yes men is taking ideas and he is, you know, taking it into account everything, but ultimately he has the final say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was saying last week, I would love for him to read link wish some of that and not necessarily have the final say on everything sure I mean he's got a sign off on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the head of baseball operations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you've got a majority of three or four people that want to do one thing and think something's a great idea and he just has a gut feeling that it's not, I would like to see him more go with the majority of what baseball operations say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it doesn't work out, then you tell us people, hey, look, that didn't work out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's come back to the drawing board with better ideas and let's see what else we can figure out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have everything that's going to work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now nothing's working.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But as we've seen before, even in Sabians years,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, even when Farhan was clicking, there's always something that's not going to quite pan out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But right now, it just kind of seems like every call up, every free agent, you know, waver signing, everything is just not working right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you've got a guy like William Domus who's out there, he's been scuffling all year, but he's still your power guy, one of your power guys, but then his back goes out and now you've got buddy Kennedy playing third base while cost is playing shortstop and it's just, you know, there are better ways to do it and a lot of the complaints from this article and from the podcast and the interview is that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're just not using the fringe, you know, number 37, 38, 39 and 40 of the 40 man roster the way far-handed and finding some diamonds in the rough, finding some guys who might stick and come up and help you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, hell, we were even doing that in 2010 with Cody Ross.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, and then Pat Berlin 2012.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, these things,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can pan out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just got it, you know, if you, if you think Drew Gilbert is your answer against lefties, which he's not, I mean, he's one of the worst hitters in baseball against lefties, platoon him with some fine somebody on the waiver wire who's like, hey, this guy crushes lefties, let's go platoon the rest of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this guy might not be there next year, but hey, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're showing how to win ball games, we're showing that we're trying to put guys on the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you can do something, we're going to find a place for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's kind of important, so that's your fringe back into the 40-man roster, who can crack in right now to the 25-26-man spot on the active roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where this is at right now, because we do have a lot of 40-man roster guys who are in double A and single A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: our AAA rosters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, it's time, you can, you can make that, that back into the 40-man churn, you can kind of make it look a little sexy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now, it's just, I mean, there were times where there was nobody on the 40.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody in the 40 spot, we had a 39-man roster for like a month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's guys out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are people you can put on the 40-man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: especially with the bullpen, the way that it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can grab me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could go out there and maybe try, you know, I could pitch better than this bullpen right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, it's that type of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's gotta be somebody out there that you can entertain, in the sixth, seventh, eighth inning and see what they can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because right now it's, I mean, you know, ten walks and one game on Sunday was just disgusting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, um, the, I guess the, the other thing in the piece that I thought it was interesting that she compared this run to the jitter run with the marlins, I know kind of forgotten about it because I did so quick and I think it makes a lot of sense the main difference obviously is that he didn't do with the Yankees he did it with the marlins so he kind of did it in a way where.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the national media was going to be more interested than the New York media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Buster did it with the giants, which is the team that he won all the titles with, so that put more of a magnifying glass on him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's also, it's from what it sounds like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also the only team that he would have done this for is because he is so invested in this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the article, it said, how it came to his brain was that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had just thought driving over the bridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What it would be like for the team to be playing in October again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, great memory, great thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I think about that all the time, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I should throw my name in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it takes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't not want that job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I might want the salary, but I don't think I'd want the pressure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's a lie, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but I think, here's the thing though, and I don't think it's an ego thing with Buster, because we know Buster, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we've seen him for years and years and years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what it comes down to is, is he willing to go forward, surround himself with people that can take stuff off of his plate, not because he's bad at it, but just because he doesn't have the experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Randy wind, love the guy, but head of your scouting department and head of your minor and lead system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still learning on the job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony Vitello, okay, college manager, still learning on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All these guys are still learning on the job, and that's what they've talked about in this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so as he willing to just say,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me get some experience around me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the experience of head of baseball operations, but all these other people do and let me soak that in and grow from that and let's build a monster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's build a team that's going to be around for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let's call it right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in the piece, Buster Posi says that he believes Tony Vatell is going to be back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are planning that Tony Vatell is going to be back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is Tony Vattello going to be managing this team in 2027?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I, we saw Susan Slusser put out there today that she thought she, she wouldn't be surprised if a college team came knocking for him in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: From what we've seen from Vattello so far, I don't feel like he's the type of guy who's going to finish

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[SPEAKER_01]: 25, 30 games under 500, and then walk away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he signed here as a challenge to see what he can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buster still believes in him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, short answer long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's going to be, I think he's going to be a manager in 2027.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you, and I also think for Tony's future because Tony's a young dude, he's younger than us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he wants to have a future as a big league manager, you don't run away from the guy who gave you the opportunity right they paid Tennessee to get him out of his deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's here now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He makes good money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going, you know, maybe when it comes, maybe you fulfill your duties and and you go, okay, this is not for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think he's going to look at Buster Pose and go, thank you for all you did for me out of here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, not in the Dwayne Kuiper way of saying out here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and I just think I just don't think you do that because you ruin your reputation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He already kind of has a little bit of a solid reputation and the big leagues just coming from college the way that he did

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if he wants to grow into a major league manager,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you get through this first job and you learn from it and maybe you are successful and maybe it does set up another job or maybe you're a little bit better, but I don't think you go back to college unless you go, you know what, this wasn't for me and I don't think he can make that decision after one year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he does after three years and then he goes, okay, I'm back, I'm going back to college, but right now I think he's got to stick with it just because of who believes in him,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got so much drive, he's a dude, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to sit there and go, I've failed one year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I got this great deal to go back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said, he's young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if he was 58 years old, 60 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can see maybe he's like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have many years left managing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to do this anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This was mistake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to head back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that he's under 50 years old, no, he's too much of a dude that he's like, hey, man, I took this challenge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get some wins and let's, you know, let's get back to 500 and maybe above.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This team, I just can be hard pressed to do that next year, just because of the starting rotation, the bullpen, everything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But,

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[SPEAKER_01]: if he's going to have some young guys coming up and he's going to be with Ted Will for a whole year and guys like tugboat for a whole year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's a challenge for him and I think that's in his wheelhouse and that's why I don't think he's going anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are those switch gears?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because somebody who were very excited to watch play baseball,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, I would like to see him get at least one game under underneath him with the giants before going back to Boston, yeah, which there'll be interesting reception where I failed devours as well, I kind of it'll be I think devours is reception will be a little

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[SPEAKER_00]: possibly a little bit more angry I think that one's going to be ugly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that one's going to be a pretty one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think my are going back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll be kind of lukewarm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they're going to care too much because they only didn't play in many games for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, he was banged up and didn't really get a chance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if anything, you got to be mad at if you're a socks fan, you got to be mad at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: ownership for doing that for your your baseball operations for doing not not the player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think I think Devers drove himself out of Boston in a way and that's where the fans are like, yeah, okay, let's let him have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think my or even if he's

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[SPEAKER_00]: above average with the giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be a very positive thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was asking, I mentioned I was asking some of the guys about their thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to read these reviews of Marcelo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for I have two from the pesky podcast guys, I don't know who wrote what, so I'm just going to I'll just read both of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of them says, I think Marcelo Myers, a talented ball player, I just feel Boston wasn't a fit for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel he's great on the defensive side of the ball, but the offense of numbers lacked with plate discipline as a prospect he was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was supposed to be the short step of the future, but it never penned out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that he's gone, I still hope he was a good playing career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he'll perform better close to home in a smaller market than the pressure of playing in Boston.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same as it was not that much of a smaller market that Boston though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other one said he always had the hype in the pedigree, a guy that could give you sufficient defense, complaint multiple spots, Ron Washington should be able to guide him tremendously, same with Fatelo as he has away with with the younger players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He does have a really pretty swing, but he was never able to put it together from a hitting standpoint, probably needed more time in Warchester, came up out of necessity, but he struggled against breaking ball and off-speed pitches,

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[SPEAKER_00]: curious how that ballpark factors into his bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been below average bad at the Major League level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's definitely tweaking to do there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the thing that I didn't even think about was if you're run Washington, you're like, oh, I got a guy who's kind of in that Casey Schmidt mold.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who can play multiple positions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know based on what I've heard short stuff is probably the worst of the three of second, third and short for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he won't have to play there much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But second base, it sounds like he could be a really really good second basement from what I've heard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we both saw that laser beam home run that he hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that was nuts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it looks like, you know, not to get overly hyped, obviously, you know, you know, the guy has talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just got to put it together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So our buddy Ryan Fantasia said, I thought it was telling that they traded him for a reliever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was close with Roman, he means Roman Anthony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they both went down early with injuries and I think there was a thinking they need to be broken up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just need to try them out there and see what he becomes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a lot of years of club control left, but he's got to make it or not now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he needs to do that necessarily now, but he is a little bit older.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not 22, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's so, what is he, is he 24?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I believe so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you know, but they do Casey Schmidt 26 and he's finally having his breakout season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: JJ was telling me he goes, uh, you know, he was he was we were talking about the giant just straight and he was down on everyone other than Casey Schmidt, but he was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I never wavered in my faith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was always a believer in Casey Schmidt and he was telling me he's like, and you gave up on him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I never believed in him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a difference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I never thought he was gonna be, you know, this crazy contributor, especially with the bat at the big level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're having this conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was saying the way that you're talking about him, he would have to replicate this season to back up what you're saying about him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the odds would be against that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if Casey Schmidt is between what he was last year and what he was this year, his numbers aren't going to be the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if he is that guy, that same guy next year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then it's audio from the judge was Matt Chapman, but then we saw that stat with Matt Chapman and how many his value in saving runs and he feels like he has played months and he's still like really high on that list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Casey could be 60 to 75% of that, and then be a much better hitter, I think you're good, I think you're like okay, but I don't know if we can expect Casey to come back next year and do the stuff that he's been doing this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be great though if he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and don't forget to, and everybody forgets about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Chapman was getting on base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has, he had the highest walk rate on the team when he got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eldridge and Kavanaugh have surpassed him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's still a third on the team in walk rate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was getting on base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he wasn't getting hits and hitting home runs, he was getting on base and he was saving runs with his defense too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Something interesting that Sarah said today was, he said he would like to see Willy go on the aisle, get the back figured out, get back to being healthy because he still got next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This team is 22 games under 500.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to see my rich shortstop and then when Willie comes back, Willie would play second base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought that was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought you might get a kick out of that one because I know how big you are on giant second baseman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what your thoughts on Willie playing second base?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think short stuff is obviously a big responsibility, especially if your body is breaking down a little bit because you have to cover a lot, but you got to run a lot at second basement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going out there to to be the cutoff man in certain scenarios and you're backing up positions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you got to have the legs and if he's got the back issue, he's not going to have the legs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably better fit to be a third basement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then that would be the problem right and then we've been talking about this day overloaded at DH and they overloaded at guys who can play third.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really have a short stop right now that is, um, you know kind of kind of like fit to play a backup for a domis like maybe, you know, I guess Christian costs can but it's not like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like you roll Christian costs out there and you go, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That guy is a big league short stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, no, he's like a utility player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I guess those guys are coming, but they're just not here right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that was the other comments that they made too as you know, he was basically saying, I won't want your thoughts on this too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was also saying, in a couple of years, when those young guys are coming up like, you know, Keylin and Joe Swar, you know, and those guys start coming up,

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[SPEAKER_01]: time to move on from Willie Adomas and Devers and Chapman and and and and move those guys to other teams and offer to eat 90% of the contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just so you can get them out of there, they got a money, they don't have to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly, but you know, when you look at it that way, then you do move on from those you are paying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the money, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are paying the money 90% of the contract, but you're also not paying Joe Swar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not paying Kelen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not paying those guys because they're all our guys still are pre-arb even by the time they come up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So kind of makes sense, but I think it's only the only contract that's going to be an anchor is the Devers contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because by the time

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[SPEAKER_00]: And who knows who gets your first?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it is Kelen who gets your first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But by the time her nandes and level and Joe Swar are going to be possibly looking to break onto the big club is minimum like two and a half years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So by that time, what will a Domus will only have like two years left?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Chapman will only have like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: one or two years left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So by then, their contracts aren't going to be as big of a deal as they are now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Except for devours, devours will be the one that if you really wanted to get out from under it, you will have to pay a heavy ransom to do so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't, I don't understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of cutting

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, what, what is there, there, there's some proverb about cutting something, cutting your nose off to spite your face or whatever that saying is because if you have these guys ready to come up and you want them to develop on the big league club, you don't put them in a deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to get off of another contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just, Albert Puhles that guy and just let him be your D.H. and your bench guy until his contract is over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like that's how you have to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna, there's no salary cap in baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're gonna, you'll pay, you maybe you pay some tax, but the math which you just said is, as if all those guys come up, they're gonna be the cheapest infield in all of baseball at that point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can have Matt Chapman playing, you know, two out of every three games and sitting on the bench for that third game making 25 million because your other, you know, your other shortstop or your other third basins only making seven or eight million like so you can do that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, and the thing with it too, like you mentioned pools, that's a, that's a good example, but he was also like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: clubhouse leader.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, near leader.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we just don't have that still.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just don't see it with Willie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it with Devours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to have a team leader in Devours, weren't when he just won't talk to the media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but twice a year three times a year and that's it just refuses to speak with the media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard for me to see that as a fan, you know, again, I don't know what's going on in the clubhouse or in the dugout, but as a fan, I look at that and I go, well, who's

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[SPEAKER_01]: who's leading the ship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not vitel-o because he's the first year, first year manager out of college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he even said at the beginning of the year, he told the guys, like, I'm treat me as your peer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're in this together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, no, this team needs a rudder on the ship because we see how this rudderless ship has been going now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little bit difficult to watch at times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I like pools, I get it because you keep them around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like it's like having another coach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chapman, I can see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can absolutely see that with Chapman, but with the Domus endeavors, not plain and sitting on the bench and just eating up those contracts, eating up all that money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, you're not going to get a whole lot of money back if you get rid of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 10% maybe, 5%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, that's another roster spot you can open.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe send him send Devers to tell him to go home for like a month and just chill I don't know what you would do, but look relax.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, and we say that and yet Devers is he's not having a Devers season But he's also not having the worst season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's and he hit the ball in the water yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's not having the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had the first month of this season

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of going home, I don't know you saw the breaking news, but Katele Marta didn't show up for the game tonight for the Diamondbacks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they they slapped him on the restricted list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Katele Marta has been one of those guys and I know the giants have been

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, rumored to possibly be trading for him, you know, over the last like two seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's a guy that, you know, a lot of people have questioned his work ethic, because I guess there was a game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was really important last season or two seasons ago down the stretch where he just was he had tired legs, so he said he took himself out and said I'm going to sit down for a couple of games and they're like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's hurting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's September.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need you right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but he just didn't show up tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so from Robert Murray said that Marte arrived with the team in Boston, but did not show up to Fenway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I hope he's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and they said that they believe he's doing okay physically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just didn't show up to the ballpark that from Nick Peep, Peocoro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: interest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's wild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you don't see that very often.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we heard about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember, you know, way back with Darryl Kyle, Darryl Kyle didn't show up at the ballpark and then they found them with the, you know, he had a heart attack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who tell room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you hear this and you hope he's okay, but, you know, if they say he's good physically, that's great, but, you know, hopefully everything's all right with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he having a good season?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I haven't looked at his stats in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to have him on, like, my fantasy team for years and years and years because he was such a, you know, and a fantasy asset with everything that he did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm not sure what is, what is 24, 24, 249, 21 Jack, 67 RBI.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, you know, that's pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, is average has always been around 250 to 70 somewhere in the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Devers, 246, 25 jacks, 16 and RBI.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Devers actually have an a better off that's season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, we would take a guy like Marta, but, you know, so not if he's not going to show up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's not going to show up and he's going to take himself out of important games in September.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're playing freakin Boston in Boston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, who would want not want to play in that game?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's end it with this, which is, um, uh, we talked a little bit about, uh, we've talked about was in hunt for forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You said make him a reliever, and I was like, yeah, I get it, he's valuables as a starter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he could close isn't throw hard enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got the one pitch unless he just turns into Trevor Hoffman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess he's left handed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he is somewhat valuable because he always didn't love these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's just, can he get him to throw a sweeper?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, he's a big lefty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can he, if he can work on some sort of sweeper, that's always a plus to have a sweeper with any kind of fastball, really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just those, I mean, we saw Bumgarner do it for years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nasty sweeper slider.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, fastball that wasn't, you know, lights out fastball, but you mix those two together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're a left hander in the box, you don't know what the hell's coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Blade Tidwell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been sort of in consistency, but he's still young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he'd be a better guy to just throw out of his ass for nining, but they seem to believe that he's got the quality to be a starter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also

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[SPEAKER_00]: up in the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also very consistent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had that one good seeer the one start in Texas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, another quality start to follow up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then yesterday, not great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not sure with these guys, but I'd like the fact that they're getting the opportunity because you have to know what you got, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you keep them in AAA,

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[SPEAKER_00]: unless you, unless you really did just want to trade them, you kind of keep them in AAA to shield them from the big leagues, but they're here, so you might as well use them, you might as well get them the big league innings that they need to, you know, to get those, for for you to get some sort of value out of the experiment, I guess, but then we got the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tugboat Matt Wilkinson and I don't know how he does it because this dude barely hit 90 on the gun with his fastball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they call it like the invisible fastball or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what I saw the numbers today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, is it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Real, I think the average is 89.5 or 89.6 on this fastball average, that means he throws a slower than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what does your take on whether or not these guys actually are going to be a bigger part of the rotation next year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so, okay, so I sent that to you guys earlier and I thought, okay, I can see tugboat maybe sticking in the rotation, but the more I think about it, he could be a reliever down the line, Tidwell, I think, if Tidwell just gets his, his command together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: watching him pitch yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He commands the mound.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's fiery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets that the only he's got a lot of emotion, uh, which could get him down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there were, you know, he got pissed off at a walk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He walks in when he got pissed off and himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two pitches later, he gives up a jack to the number nine hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're like, oh, come on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, you know, real in the control, real in the emotion, you know, I think he could stick in the starting rotation just because of his stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whizz in hunt, again, like I said, left yet, love to see him work in some sort of sliders sweeper that's just nasty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, in 2027,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate to say, but I think all three of those guys might have to be in the rotation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it really depends on what you're going to do in the off season, because you've got a group, you've got web, and then after that, it's just kind of sketchy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so so that's where it's going to be difficult.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see another malley, um, house or combination in the offseason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to see, and this is another thing that was talked about today in in in the podcast that I was watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we don't just pull things from podcasts, but it gives us ideas because we're giants fans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when you see people who aren't necessarily big giants fans talk about, although, you know, Sarah's lives in the San Francisco area, that's kind of his home team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he doesn't know a lot about the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you hear things like this where they say,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you, they want to see the giants do more in terms of like with Swara's, um, I think with Boston, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where they gave them short contract, three years high AAV, just to get them to come in and just to say, look, we're not giving anybody seven or eight year deals like don't cease, but let's do a three-year deal,

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we get hurt by it, we get hurt by it, but then we're out of it in three years or we can move them, you know, and say, well, you 50, 60% of that will move them, no, no big loss in the will move on from that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did see it with Blake's now, you know, kind of kind of worked out, but again, if he's still paying that dude, exact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to see it without it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to haunt us for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least it's not Bobby Bonilla pay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Still every July 1st.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Bobby Bonilla to actually rather be paying Bobby Boat than playing, paying Blake still right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I would too, because at least I would feel like it's still the 90s, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, because I like to see those big AAV deals, but I don't want to see the opt-outs because then you get a situation like Blake Snow and it's like, oh, I pitch great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's great, but you're only going to have them for one year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's so he's a stopgap guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, get them the three years, you know, 20,000 a year, 25,000 a year for three years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're betting on them, you think you can do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get a main stay in the rotation, instead of a house or an amally deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing about those deals, though,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guys who are willing to do that and still have tremendous value across the league, they're probably more than likely going to do it for teams that they believe are competing for championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other part, it's so hard to get these guys because if your reputation is, is that you're not competing for titles, then maybe they're going to take a little bit less money to go do that somewhere else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's kind of where they're at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: true, but we've also seen guys that will take a bag and they will take a bag, especially if they're in the younger and they just want to do a two-year deal to gather some more numbers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to gather numbers, you come to Oracle, you'll get your numbers, and then you can take that somewhere else and get more money down the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's all again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all free agencies always at game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, one thing they did talk about to any article is that it just kind of seemed like, maybe the giants weren't going after free agents the way that other teams were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some free agents and agents of those free agents said, basically like, yeah, we didn't get the idea that the giants were coming after us pretty hard or that they were interested at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate to say it because I don't like because we people lose their jobs and this is their livelihood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think you take Manacian out and you plug somebody else in, maybe from an organization like Tampa Bay or Boston who's really kind of growing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You take somebody out of there who wants a system to the GM, this and that, maybe analytics GM and then you plug them into our position and let them do their thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... i think that's pretty important for the organization going forward you know you mentioned these guys and getting their numbers in oracle adrian houses

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean hundred and three innings pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's given up 15 jacks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler Malley 94 and two thirds innings pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You give up 14 jacks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now Adrian Housers K per nine six point one at least Houser or at least Malley was 8.5 almost nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, interestingly Logan Web strike

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[SPEAKER_00]: last year for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that has a lot to do with the first, you know, like a first month, a month and a half, he was just struggling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you can point to the WBC, we don't know, you know, it's it's hard to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next year, we won't have the WBC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, see how Web starts up, but man, is he dealing now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, landed room, this is interesting stat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He threw, he's thrown the most pitches per start of any giant starter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would think that it's just automatically Logan Webb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess Logan Webb is a little Logan Webb's a little bit more efficient with his, uh, with his outs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, landed room 95.1 pitches per start, Logan Webb 93.9, but because of Logan Webb being

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll get to see the Tugger, hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to see Marcelo Meyer, who Jay-J thinks is a handsome guy, says he reminds him of Vinny Chase from Montourage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe you get to see a little bit of Meyer and Eldridge together on the diamond, playing some defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be kind of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe we'll read the future of the team there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what else there's to look forward to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They lost two out of three to Colorado.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They lost a home series against the Colorado frigging Rockies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this will be Myers Medelline, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but Medelline was that that was a bad movie or good movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw that I saw the show a long time ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's pretend like it was good, but I think it was bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he just really really wanted to go into.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he did aqua man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to go back and watch that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next week and hopefully have some good news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, we're going to hang on to our top five giant seasons of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll throw it in there when we have some more time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here for Brad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm double GC when we see you piece out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.