Valkyries Quarter-Season Grades, Juste Jocyte's Minutes & WarriorsWorld Event w/ Conrado Pascual | Podhalla

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Pod Hala, Brian and I are here with

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[SPEAKER_02]: And our special guests and our favorite guest as we told him in person because we got to hang out with Konrado Pasqual at the U.S. Day Warriors World event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Konrado actually got to play a little bit of a podcast or slash interviewer at the event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So welcome back Konrado.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's up, man?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank you guys for having me back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always a pleasure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, it's, uh, it's getting exciting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We, we've passed the quarterway mark of the regular season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're never short on on news and, and there it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't say that pejoratively, but there's just always something, uh, interesting percolating with this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, just really excited to be back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll talk about that event at the tail end of this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I specifically told you, stay that we are officially the you stay pod of all the podcasts because we've just been talking about her pretty much since day one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we will have a segment because there's been some interesting comments by head coach Natalie Nicosi about her usage, which did not come to fruition, by the way, at least in the last game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she will play a little bit more on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But let's kick it off because I think we're at a pretty cool point in the season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We are at the the values of play 12 games, so just over the quarter part of the season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I kind of wanted to do a little bit of a grading, a quarter season grading.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think some podcasters and some websites have been doing this, I didn't look at that for the reason, but I just noticed that we were just past that quarter point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I wanted to get your thoughts, both of your thoughts on, you know, the grade, which is always a grade versus an expectation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is played into the grade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If the team was expected to lose every game,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they're like 500, they're going to get like an A or something that's based on who's not they were going to be and the Valkyries, I think the fans are probably expected them to be better than last year and I think they are, but at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: some of them thought that they would be an even better position than they are today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I necessarily thought that, especially against Las Vegas and Minnesota who they've had to play three games against both of those teams together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so let's let's talk about this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, Brian, why don't you lead off, like if you were to give a grade for the first 11 to 12 games of this season, 44 games this year, how would you grade the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd probably go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I probably go with a B. I feel like my expectations for this team was around the six to eight seed range.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think that there is opportunity to climb four, maybe like four or five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for now, there are six than standings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't seen two of the top six teams in Dallas and Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: surprisingly it's not their defense that's you know their premier side of the ball right now it's their number two in offense and number five in defense which I think the number two in offense was unexpected as of you know right now and so yeah I think I'd go with B they're about right where I thought they'd be but I do think they have opportunity to be better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm using the Her Hoops stats, and I'm looking at points per 100 possessions, and I'm looking at the margin per 100 possessions, and the values are fifth at 5.8, and you know it's wild.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now I haven't even looked at schedule and how this has played out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Minnesota is tops the league at a margin per 100 possessions of 16.5 more than double number two who is New York in Atlanta and Las Vegas are right there and

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when you, you can like, divvy up these stats, whichever way that you want.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the Valkyries and a 15 team league, they're probably going to be favorable in many of them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think B is solid.

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[SPEAKER_02]: B is probably where I was leaning.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, Konrado, you get to talk to other beat writers and other people who are very smart about this team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you think that the some of the fans have two high expectations of where they should be today or did you similarly think that they might be a winner to higher than they are right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, analytically speaking, right, with the guards to like kind of like net rating and everything, they probably could have like one more win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's fair to say, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at like lead late game execution again, say like Las Vegas and Minnesota, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even to a lesser extent Chicago, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could make an argument they could should have at least like maybe should or could have one more win between those three games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But overall,

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[SPEAKER_00]: For the fans that think they have underachieved, then I'd probably would say that maybe their expectations were a little bit too high, I had a little bit more of an optimistic outlook, maybe then Brian like Brian said six to eight I was more like

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[SPEAKER_00]: there are top 16.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm still there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm still there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, um, it's funny, as you said, like through the first quarter of the season, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, statistically speaking, they are relatively more, uh, they're relatively more impressive offensively than they are defensively or at least they've they great out better offensively than they do defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet, I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: the sentiment amongst Valkyries fans is that we have a very stale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If not futureed offense, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've may not have used those adjectives all the time, but I've definitely shared a lot of those sentiments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, um, and I guess we can go into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have really mastered the art of being really good at a very inefficient style of offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and they work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a quarter of the season is a fairly large sample.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, their shot profile is largely similar to what they did last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, I don't think it's a complete,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like just aberration or variance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I actually do think this is a style of offense that they're not only comfortable running, but like they can they can do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we could date like dive a little bit more into it, but I'm also with Brian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I give him a be largely because.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've met what am I expectations are, like given the personnel of this roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just do think that they are limited in terms of what they can do more so offensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I don't really think they've exceeded my expectations there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Defensively, I mean like, they are generating the toughest shot profile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for opponents, opponents just happen to be caching in on those contested shots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if there is something that you believe there's going to be some regression in the final three fourths of the season, I'd like to think it's that just because again, like when we watch it, you could tell they're

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[SPEAKER_00]: as laughable as it is seeing the screenshots of say like Asia Wilson having to fight through five velcro defenders, it's not easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That speaks to her offensive brilliance, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there is some defensive, like positive defensive regression coming up soon, where again, that's where they can really start to continue climbing the standings and cement themselves more in that top six range as opposed to being on the playoff bubble.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was another outlier game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, I think Olivia Miles has shot considerably better since that Valkyrie's game that she had previously.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I'm sure the game plan was like, you know, let's protect against her drives and because her drives are going to create shots for when I listen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, she's just chucking from three and just caching everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you could say that,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's one of those things what you said is sort of like you're kind of dealing with some bad luck maybe on your and like you may be doing the right thing and then the other team is just executing at a high level, but the other thing I think, you know, when it comes to the expectation, I think what is hard to rationalize is losing Iliana Rupert right as the season starts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because if you take that into account, then maybe you do drop the Valkyries down one or two teams in your, your preseason rankings or whatever, um, Keyestokes is a little bit of a,

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[SPEAKER_02]: of a target for for fans who who are watching these games.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I understand why like there have been stretches where she will play some really consistent basketball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She will get out their block shot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's defending.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's rebounding.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then there are other stretches where

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[SPEAKER_02]: you almost forget that she's on the court which is kind of hard because she's generally the the tallest player on the court and she you know she's got a great size and a great physicality and sometimes you know what will be in our chat on uh

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh, on the discord, and I'll just be like, I just wish she would play a little bit more like a big like there are moments where there's somebody who sneaks in from the week side to grab a rebound and I'm like you're right there like if you just moved your body foot and a half to the right that person can't get through.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: she is thrust into the position of being the starting center when she was signed to be the backup and to play not that many minutes and now she's playing more minutes than you know then they wanted to play her so that's something where you have to rationalize when it comes to these expectations is if you if you thought keystokes is going to be you know a top five center in this league just because she was starting and playing minutes with this team well that's just not what she is at this point in

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think that is a tough thing, but it brings up another point, which is I know something that you want to talk about, can Rado is we saw early on in the season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Latisha and me here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: was the little engine that could.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She is not the same size as a lot of the, a lot of the bigs and yet she was scrapping and she was out cooking them and she was causing fouls and she was taken charges.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And all of those things were happening and then it feels like she kind of had a bad game and then boom out of the rotation completely and we haven't seen her have you guys asked Natalie about that has she had any comments about why and all of a sudden why is it me here not in they've gone to this like smaller ball lineup with more shooters, but it seems like it me here is the odd person out in the rotation right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we've asked Natalie a number of times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her answer has been consistent, which she just says, it's match-up related.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there is truth to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a little bit more to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to say that there's anything like controversial or ominous, but like I think that, that when she started out the season, again, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She and Kia Stokes were essentially kind of pletuning the center spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mix results, but at least they were giving some kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even want to say stability, but like at least there was some kind of backline resistance, like consistent blackline resistance, let's put it that way, right, between the two of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm actually writing an article today about lineup combinations and I'd always thought that a me here would ultimately play more minutes than Stokes because of her ability to handle the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually interviewed like a Lea Boston and Raven Johnson about that they really highlighted that like that up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: ability that aspect of her game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we saw that in those first couple games of the season, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where in her lineups, in the lineups that involved LA, she would be able to clear the rebound and then she doesn't have to pitch it ahead to VB or Gabby, she'll, you know, take the ball down to self.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you see the team getting up, you know, like up court with a little bit more pace, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're playing a little bit more up tempo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My theory is why is the value, why are the values playing so slow?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that when they have to go to the small lineups, it's crucial for them that the team collectively has to crash the glass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, nobody can leak out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you're not really getting any of those cherry picking or fast break opportunities makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing is, I think with a me here, I think especially like the fever game like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: L.A. kind of got away because she knew a lot of the tendencies and she was able to draw some questionable offensive fouls, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alia Boston even, you know, kind of kind of joked about that, but once that big as game came around, like again, even though she could do certain things well,

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[SPEAKER_00]: her offensive limitations other than handling the ball, the shooting, the lack of any like ability to consistently do anything like down low, you know, like she'll try to use her speed advantage against other bigs, but you know, if they stand their ground, then you can see like, you know, she was taking a lot of a lot of air and shots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Natalie,

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[SPEAKER_00]: just kind of got a little frustrated with some of like her decision making on the offensive end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think after that, it's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at it, the lineups where like KT and a me here are the four and the five compared to the lineups where Janelle and KT are the four and the five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's just a marginally better defensively when a me here's in there, but they're obviously significantly better offensively when it's jaw and KT at the floor in the five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think just kind of my interpretation of it, like I think Natalie just would prefer than to at least have a front court that forces the opposition to like defend them, you know, especially out to the perimeter and we've seen how jaw like they're, they know they're going to have to defend her because they know like that shots going up like the

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[SPEAKER_00]: as soon as the ball touches her hands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, I think that's kind of why, but again, like, L.A. She has been, um, literally staying ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: During practices, they have what's called stay ready game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like for like the back end of the roster, the developmental players, they haven't been getting any like game action lately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They go through like a full full like intense screamage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's definitely been working as she's saying like all the right things, she's saying it's her job to be ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But other than just saying matchup dependent or batch up related as to her DNPs, there hasn't been any actual like significant

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we all are in agreement that they're probably around a B for this first quarter of the season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think if you look at the teams that they've played and the games in which

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[SPEAKER_02]: if we look at the standings for instance, you know, there are a couple of teams who are just head and shoulders above what what the Valkyries are and the Valkyries played them strong, but could not get that W, you know, late late late in the game there that, you know, they just got

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[SPEAKER_02]: the aces who have had some interesting losses, but both times they played the Valkyries, they were playing with their A game at Lennodream.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, 8 and 3, Liberty, 8 and 4, we beat the Liberty, Dallas Wing, 7 and 4.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you have the Valkyries at 7 and 5 yet, the tempo at 7 and 5.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think most fans would agree that, you know, the two teams up top, the links in the aces.

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[SPEAKER_02]: those are kind of the measuring sticks and how what what do the valkyries need to do and I'll start with you Brian what do you think they need to do to maybe get to that next level to really compete with those two teams they're close and I think they play so hard and even um I forget who is the person who who talked about the defense saying that the you know the defense is really

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're closed, but they're still a little bit of a distance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I don't know what you guys thought about that second ace's game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, you know, this game is better, but I still do not have the confidence that the values are going to come away with this game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jackie Young and Asia Wilson on the other side, and Chelsea Gray, like, it just like, okay, those are three clutch players and I was pretty confident that they were going to hit big shots and I was not confident coming on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Brian, what do you think needs to happen for them to kind of get to that next level?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think can Rado kind of talk about it with some of the games that we've lost, you know, and just kind of late game execution, having close games against Vegas and Minnesota, two of the top teams in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel I'm kind of with you though with the ACEs, like I kind of think we're just outclassed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think they're just our genuine counter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, I don't really see a world in which we can beat them at this current moment with this current roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But with Minnesota, I felt like there were a few things that

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[SPEAKER_01]: at least like um substitution and line up wise down the stretch that could have been changed that maybe could have resulted in a win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't feel that way with Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you could have you know switched up some players and put in some players and much would have changed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, Asia and and and Jack like Jackie was going nuts at the end, but just hitting these threes, but on the Minnesota side, it was just Courtney Williams just, you know, running like these

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[SPEAKER_01]: and she just gets to stop on a dime and shoot a mid-range wide open shot her patented shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to go in every single time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think there's maybe line-up combinations for that game that I could see a world in where we beat Minnesota this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about women in the feasts that comes back how that's going to look but at least with that current iteration of the links I think we can we can get one on them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah with aces.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, yeah, until we get another big body, it's not someone, a bigger player who can help with Asia a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, Asia is always going to get hers, but I think just having someone who just gives her just like a little bit of resistance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just missing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did think it was interesting how this time around, instead of having Kia Stokes like the primary defender on some of some possessions, it was KT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Kia can kind of like be on the list and roam a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like that was, you know, that was definitely a different approach to it that I think I think worked more, but it's still, I mean, still basis one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we haven't seen Atlanta and I think that this Atlanta team can give us problems.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we also haven't seen Dallas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we haven't seen the Sparks either and we haven't seen the mystics, but I think we'll be the mystics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we'll probably be the Sparks, but I'm interested on how this Dallas game upcoming is going to go

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is is is a big deal and and I think I think a little bit of last year that that feels reminiscent of last year too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So can I do same question to you, but also I want to you did talk about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the aspect of finding a big is it is it necessary this year and who is out there and who could they look for maybe at the trade deadline to bring in because that is you know that that is a big deal I think it's the one thing the one glaring thing that when you watch these games that you can definitely see the need for is somebody who can just stand tall in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, before I like, yeah, I kind of talk about potential big trade targets like to kind of piggyback off of Brian's point like okay there defensive strategy against Asia while you if you're judging the results, okay, this was a fail, but like the process the rationale it wasn't completely like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they basically forced her into, you know, a shot diet that consisted primarily mid-range jumpers, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They kept her like past the nail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is, at least in the early going of the season, right, Asia is shooting like around 55% on elbow jumpers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she was totally cool, right, accepting those looks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brian was saying, hey, the sparks and the mistakes and all them coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, I'm, I mean, knock on wood, like, I don't want to be the guy who, like, jinxed this, but like, I think that is a viable game plan, say, against, like, a deer or a handbee, or a Shakira Austin, you know, Lauren Bets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, that kind of makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Keep them outside of the restricted circle, and, you know, ideally outside of the paint, try to make them, you know, create either off the dribble or shoot some

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But with the big talk and everything like that before, the line-up change in certain catchy into the starting line-up, we have gotten no, there's been no advantage to this, and like

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[SPEAKER_00]: The lineup with Kyla in the starting lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, we did play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like once we inserted Chatchee, we happened to also start playing elite opponents or teams that we considered to be potential, like championship contenders, as you guys said, right, like the Minnesota and the ACEs,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like I could definitely and make no mistake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to say that like the starting line ups kind of slow starts have been churches fault, but If I had to guess, I think Natalie wanted another obviously a three point threat someone that would force the defense like, you know, to step out of the paint, you know, to really stretch the defense, but I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kyla was thriving in her role as just kind of like that point of attack stopper, you know, I kind of compared her on the other day to OKC, double cephalosha, right, you just you just start the game you you you start the game right you wear right you wear the opponent down you play defense you shoot the occasional catch and shoot three I mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like catchy being able to come in and just like, you know, hunt her shots, you know, kind of like the way she and jaw did last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I wonder moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, all of these weird line-up combinations are a result of again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: basically the lack of consistency from the center spot, right, which right now Natalie's indirectly telling us that no, she doesn't have any confidence for any of the quote unquote centers on this roster to man the position for extended stretches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe sometime in the near future, we'll see Nadia Fingal, that'd be cool just to see what she could do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I don't think

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[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of candidates who I think are realistic, like trade targets, I mean, it depends, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're you want to hope that certain teams continue to lose, so maybe their teams would be more willing to part with them, but, you know, a center that we just saw on Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Natasha Mack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: would fit this team really well, both stylistically, and be just enough of an upgrade where not only can you keep her in extended stretches, but again, you're not having to come up with line-up combinations too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to mask the center position, you know, uh, and that'll keep like, you know, the, the general KT small ball front court fresh to like maybe close out halves, you know, or close out games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but other than that, it's tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, like I would, I know a lot of us in the media room, like we would love to see

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, like you can make that work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you'd kind of have to hope that the spark continue losing to get to be motivated to at least consider it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But other than that, while there are a lot of talented centers out there, I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know we're talking about the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to continue making warriors parallels, but I think Natalie is selective about the type of center she wants, because you could throw out a bunch of centers who may be available on the trade market say Elizabeth Williams or Lee Ru, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: would not really like feel confident that they could give you as much or more production than Kia Stokes or I'm here like I'm skeptical right so like I feel like if they were to make a move it would have to be like a relatively like big move right like you're trading for a notable name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, otherwise like, yeah, I could see them just waiting until the off season, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're muted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're trying to talk, but I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, uh, there are players that, yeah, no, I mean, I agree with you on the on the on the net side for, you know, she's, she likes this specific center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I get, you know, just thinking about who's been a center for this team, like Tammy, Lily, and Kia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like Kia is kind of like of the Tammy mold a little bit of like, there's just not much to expect offensively, but like athletic defensively and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't really let people get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's kind of what it is where it's like, you know, Kia's going to play drop, but like at least like guards aren't going to get by her, you know, she's going to, but she's going to like give them the three point shot or the mid-range shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, okay, we we're going to die by that, but we're not going to die by layups.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I, I wonder how Natasha Mac fits there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, some you've probably watched more Phoenix Mercury than I have, but as she's someone who, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: to keep up with the speed they want to play and also, you know, keep up with like the, like, I don't know, just like the defensive expectations that they have to wear an anchor defensively can you can, you know, bring some of those shot blocking qualities at that position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, again, like we're we are literally dead last in pace so I don't think she'll hurt that right if anything I think her game would be more conducive to being able to play more up tempo, you know, I think she's significantly like of our current options she's a significantly better like rim runner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a good picking role option and everything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, she's like what 64 so she's really mobile, you know, like she has a lot of bounce, you know, especially like laterally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of why I was like, okay, that seems like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: potentially like realistic trade target.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, I know like teams will, I know a lot of fans want to throw out names like click as he, you know, Magabore and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think that would be like the ultimate perfect fit in terms of giving us what we want on both ends, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Specifically, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'll give like everything you want as, you know, a pick and roll

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you know, you're trying to approach if you're trying to approach from like the teams that are pretty much lottery bound, you know, you might want to look at say like Connecticut with earlier Edwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, should probably more of like a traditionally a four, but on this to be really or five, you know, say so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like, you know, like some of the team and we've lost against more teams than what I'm about to say kind of fits around, but I felt like we had a clear weakness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it makes sense because our five position is this is the weakest position on the team, the backup point guard position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the stuff we knew going into the season is still kind of an issue today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, when they played Alia Boston, like, yeah, Alia, I mean here just baited those files because she had no chance at guarding Alia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could tell like Alia, she was Alia was going to get her way with whatever she wanted to do against Alia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I mean here had to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: get draw some of those offensive charges and then playing against Asia and then playing like this is a league where, you know, guards are starting to become, since I've been watching, starting to become, you know, one of the some of the top players, but it's still a league ran by Asia Wilson by Neficialier by Alyssa Thomas and we kind of have the Alyssa thing, I think figured out with how the way this Mercury team is playing right now, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel confident when the feast that comes back against Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't feel confident against Asia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, you know, the best players in the league are at that four or five position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's kind of our weakest defensive position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't really, I guess you don't really make that, you're not really able to make that change mid-season, at least seamlessly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I mean, that's why, yeah, as he would be great, you know, in that regard, just being able to, not, it's not like she could stop any of those players, but just putting more resistance, because I feel like there's such a good team defense, but they need someone to give a little bit of resistance to Asia, so then they can collapse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think when you, at least in the first game they played the Aces, I thought it was clear

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[SPEAKER_01]: when Kia was, you know, playing and she was able to at least like stay in front of Asia and kind of put her hands up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Asia, you know, if she wanted to, she could take that jumper, but she wanted to kind of pound inside and then you can collapse her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when it was KT out there in the first game, because in the second game, I think they kind of figured this out a little bit, but in the first game, when it was KT out there,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Asia could have shoot right over her, and there was just no resistance in that regard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then if she's able to shoot right over KT and not take a dribble inside, I think because once she puts the ball down, then the double teams come and then she's got to make a pass out to the perimeter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's when they have their best success is when you force Asia to be a passer instead of a score.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think in the second game, they did that better and then you just kind of jack a young just kind of goes off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess that's what happens.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the best players being at that at the position we struggle the most in is is is definitely, you know, it's something that hopefully and gets gets figured out somewhere or another and it's not even just Asia when you play the Aces because then you think you get a break and then Melissa Smith comes in and she's jumping over people, getting rebounds and getting put back and you're just like, oh my gosh, it just never ends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think this will be a conversation pretty much for the rest of the season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As you can tell with these lineups, they're trying to adjust for them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to give KT credit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she understands the assignment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You see her crashing rebounds much harder than she has in the past and when she's playing a little bit more out in the wing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Janelle is getting used to it a little bit more, but it's just you can tell us just not instinctual with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when she needs to maybe go crash or something like it you see a little bit of second guessing there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe with more minutes it'll be a little bit more instinctual for her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like these these folks are having to play in uncomfortable positions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can tell and you cannot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: say that the effort isn't there because these these ladies are playing hard and that's why the Valkyries can compete in all these games is because they do play hard and they they're defense never lets up and you know we can complain about why it just seems like Veronica has the ball with eight seconds left and they have nothing going on like the stats show offensively they are still scoring the basketball so let's change gears

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[SPEAKER_02]: and let's talk a little bit about the the U-Stake comments that we would that we were mentioning, which is whether or not she's going to play with the ball in her hands a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the the question was was asked or a question was asked to Natalie and she had a response about maybe figuring out how U-Stake can have some more reps in the game with her being a primary ball handler

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think a lot of the Valkyries fan base got super excited, they're like, oh, maybe we were going to see it and then used to play it all in the last game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then we saw her over the weekend, and you know, she had some, she's by the way, fantastic personality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If she becomes a top-level player, she's going to be a star because it's just personality why.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's she's so great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's so seasoned.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's so savvy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Her answers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a hint of of comedic timing to them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we'll talk about your interview in a second,

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[SPEAKER_02]: the the fact that Natalie kind of set the fans up for something and just like pulled the pulled the carpet from under us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that was kind of weird in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like first, I wonder why she went.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So public with those comments.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then second, it did feel a little bit like, why did you get our hopes up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I get my interpretation of why, because again, I think we all know that like again Natalie is in general a very friendly and she's she's definitely a good quote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt about that, but when it comes to anything like exes and owes or anything tactical, she's pretty tight lip right she'll give you a very generic answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So as you're saying earlier the question which was posed by Marissa and Jimmy of Valcre's beat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The question was very, just like simple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, like, how is, how is your state like progress coming along?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was not only who like just went very in death, about specifically what you stay was doing at practice, the plan for her, both short term and long term.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, how she wants you stay to not only take on a primary ball handling role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but she also wants her to be get to the level where she's comfortable as a primary decision maker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, I mean, I think the excitement and the enthusiasm from the fan base was well-warranted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this is what we thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, a couple of things about you stay and this is just kind of like from having interviewed her like at practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I,

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[SPEAKER_00]: She definitely is very comfortable as a pick and roll initiator, but I don't think that she really sees herself as a full-time point guard, definitely not yet, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think ultimately she would probably be cool as like a two or maybe like a point forward, you know, in certain lineups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the power forward thing, definitely kind of shock her, but like, hey, I, I, to her credit, and like she's very like candid about this, she believes that, you know, she needs to improve on her screen setting, but in the screens that she set as a velcro, they've been pretty solid, so who knows, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's what gave Natalie, like, you like, a little confidence to try it out in that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just, I think Natalie wanted to make that public one because it's definitely been a topic of conversation amongst the fan base, amongst the media and everything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think also to just kind of give you stay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's be real, her camp, a little clarity as regards to like what their intentions are with her moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now having said that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Being seven and five looks a lot better than being six and six, especially when you start out the season six and three right so I feel like Natalie kind of like this is what I think like I feel like it was very important that they really lock in this win, you know, so there was not if it was no offense if it was like Connecticut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: then cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She'll find a way to get both probably used to and even a me here some minutes, you know, but given that like they needed to win just again, like to just stay ahead of the count, I felt like that's why they shorten the rotation because even when tip, you know, she took that, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like hit to the neck or whatever, um, and she tried to coming back, but like she, like basically tapped out for the rest of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they didn't bring Caitlyn back in, Caitlyn only played three minutes in the last game, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they end up going with like essentially six players down the stretch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She seems to be on a little bit of, uh, if she makes a mistake or the offense slows down, we're having a short leash with her, at least that's what it seemed to be of late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's why it's interesting because we thought like, oh, if Caitlyn is on a short leash, does that not then mean you stay gets a longer leash?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe, just not quite yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least that's how I felt about this past game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now moving forward, it will be really telling, you know, in terms of, you know, what fans really expect, not just for you,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you made a comment about her camp.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, as far as I know, she has two different agents, one of them is here, one of them is international and one of them is also

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[SPEAKER_02]: very publicly unafraid to criticize the valkries on Twitter, a little bit of Twitter fingers going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, when I see those tweets, they feel like kind of the some of the same tweets or some of the same posts that happened in the discord, like as like a hardcore fan who was just like, oh, they need to win every game, you know, why are they losing this thing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But because of his standing in who he is, you cannot

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[SPEAKER_02]: look at it as just a random fan you have to see where the bias in in the commentary comes from and you know in your

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[SPEAKER_02]: history of doing this, which I know has isn't long, but you've, you've, you've been around the game for so long, can Rado, do you sense that the Valkyries care about any of that stuff?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like does the, does the, does the Valkyries as the, um, the basketball operations?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do they care if those tweets kind of go viral and people are retweeting, saying who this person is or do they just like, that's just part of kind of the deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, again, I think they do care to certain extent now who cares and how they, you know, feel about it and approach are different, right, because I mean, like there's the Valks communications and PR, then there's actual the Valks coaching staff, right, you know, and so obviously you work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Together, but at the same time, they have like their different things that they need to tend to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know with Natalie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, she has like pretty much like her daily check ins, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she'll she'll check in with each player at the very least like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: every practice day and every day that's not a blackout day, blackout day is basically like a day where you do nothing basketball related, go unwind, watch a movie, you know, go to the park, you know, just do something non basketball related.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she does that and that's like, you know, her way of being able to get an idea of where they are both physically, you know, mentally, maybe emotionally, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I'm sure they do care, but I don't think

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[SPEAKER_00]: at least it with regards to does it influence how they go about their game preparations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if anything that we've seen, Natalie, I'm not saying that she's not flexible or incapable of making like in-game adjustments, but you know, like she and her coaching staff, she'll always say, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: like comprehensive game plan, you know, from a opponent to opponent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like I don't think it affects them, but I'm probably sure like the other higher ups, you know, like the end probably don't enjoy that, but again, I don't think it has too much influence in terms of how they go about their business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, I feel like when I read them and we got to meet Poucholo in person so that was nice to meet him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, I feel like I read it as, I understand what you're saying, but I feel like I read it as like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It really does sound like a concerned fan from our, from our dysphonic, you know, like everything, so I feel like it's not, you know, because you think about the golden state operation and what they had to deal with on the warrior side with Caminga and his agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're a Caminga's agent was it felt very much like C, you see, like this is where you see he's not playing them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You see it would have been, you know, he, the outcome could have been different if you played him or patrol is kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, I can Gabby and VB like play for this many minutes and I agree with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're being played.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're playing way too much than they probably should have to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you worry about like burnout and you worry about, you know, because this is like a these these women play year long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Gabby's going to go back to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm forgetting the team name, but the team in Turkey, and she's going to play after the season, and it's just a year-long thing for these women, and I do feel like there's a difference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a clear difference in how these two have approached it, but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the goal-to-state operation is like, we've seen this before, but to me, it's different.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were at the event over the weekend, and it was very well done, like, you know, I've been to sheet events, as I know, Konraddo has, you know, over years and years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the cool thing about this event, hey, it was of Alcaris event.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, the the audience was a lot different, and I thought that was

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[SPEAKER_02]: Toronto got to be a big part of this thing, which I thought was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I guess the original the guy from 957 dropped out, you were asked to replace him to interview you stay and I was like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who better than Konrado to interview her?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody who has interviewed her and talked to her in the past, and also somebody who, I don't know that the guy who is supposed to do it very well, and don't imagine he follows the WMBA probably even half as closely as you do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought, you know, this is a perfect opportunity for Konrado to do, because it's just going to be a better interview, and I told you this in person,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You didn't have a whole lot of time to kind of think it through, but, you know, you were able to

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[SPEAKER_02]: ask her questions that were both kind of very basketball related, but that also allowed her to show off some personality.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You made the comment about playing for and she was like, I don't even know if I really knew the plays, like very well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like she was outwardly saying that, you gave her the opportunity to talk about her celebration and the fans that allowed the fans to kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know get all fired up hoping that she would do it in a game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The one time where I could sense you were kind of trying to get somewhere to see if she would bite and she didn't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was when she hit the step back over Caitlin and I know you were trying to get her to say something she was like no dice I'm not I'm not naming names here but ultimately I thought it was a fantastic interview and so since we have you I've just interested in your thoughts how it went and you know your whole experience and doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, now she's, as she said herself, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She had an opportunity to, you know, talk to the fans where she didn't have to give a quote-unquote media trained answers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yes, she did not bite at my attempt to talk about her step back over Caitlyn Clark, only because I had asked her about it like probably multiple times, I'd practice this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I wanted to see if she would give a different answer,

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, as for the events off, yeah, Warriors rolled a great job and for you stay, I was, I was genuinely happy for her because you know, like earlier during the event when she was, you know, taking like a couple questions from the crowd, you know, she or, no, maybe before the events started, she was being interviewed by KPIX and, you know, she had

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she's always felt a lot of support, of outpouring, of support and encouragement from the fans on like, you know, social media like Instagram and she definitely hears her name being, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: For her to really see, you know, just how dedicated these fans are that they would come, you know, for an event on a Sunday afternoon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No games are being played.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I was really happy for her that she got to really see just how authentic in genuine the fan bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys included, you know, that again, right everyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She had said before the game or before the event started is like if you're there you're there because you truly love the Valkyries usually want To support you stay not even just in her basketball endeavors, but her as being now a member of the community and so I'm glad that she had an opportunity because I was definitely not trying to

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[SPEAKER_00]: bait a specific response, you know, when I asked her about like, you know, just her thoughts about like the community, the Bay Area, and I thought that she gave a fantastic answer in terms of, you know, heard goals of trying to build that connection the same way she did when she was living in France for all those years, you know, and again, like her desire to continue helping this organization grow, you know, an NB,

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[SPEAKER_00]: ideally like a perennial contender.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I just feel really appreciative of the opportunity to interview her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's definitely not just one of the best interviews I've conducted, but she's very easy to interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A very personal person, you know, definitely carries herself with a lot of as you said, a lot of charm, but a lot of humility as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There is definitely charm, but there's also

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[SPEAKER_02]: a savviness that you don't see from a 20 year old and this I'm sure this has to a lot with her being a professional for all of these years, but she just understands

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[SPEAKER_02]: how to answer questions, I think, in different environments.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in front of that audience, like those were her people.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those were like her hardest of hardcore fans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I thought she did a great job just like welcoming them and giving them answers that made them happy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as I thought it was really smart on her end, really smart on your end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so Brian also had a chance to chit chat with her because he was, they got reacquainted from the interview that Brian did a year ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, Brian, you got a chance to talk to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, was there anything in your conversation?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know it's a private conversation, but it was there anything that stood out to you as far as,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, just talking her in person versus talking her over, uh, zoom or streaming on necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think the only thing that did stand out was that when I walked up to her, I was, oh, you're taller than me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and I'm, I'm like 61, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have to get myself officially measured to see if I am six to two, but I thought when we took a picture together, and it does look like we're the same height, but I swear, like I when I was looking at her, and I was like, you are most definitely taller than me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know how like when you're taking a picture with someone, and like if like your hand can either go, you know, below the other person's hand or above the other person's hand, when you're taking the picture, and her hand was definitely above mine because she's taller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that is, I think, noteworthy, because the conversation was just like, oh, how have you been kind of, but it was, was we got the official pronunciation for her name again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which I think we got it, you know, during the interview that I did like a year ago, but it was like, okay, so, you know, the audio was a little like not crystal clear, so it could be still like up for interpretation, how it's really pronounced, but I was talking heard like I did, you know, then and I was like, okay, so, you know, we've already said, like, you've already told me the way that Kathy Engelbert said your name,

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[SPEAKER_01]: on draft night was wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yo Chitay is wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, and the way that they are saying it at the stadium, uh, the announcer is saying Yo Chitay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that's wrong too, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The broadcasters as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how the broadcasters way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was like, that is wrong as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I think it's Yo Chitay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said that is perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I don't know if the

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[SPEAKER_01]: like J-O-T-S, like you have to really get the T-S, like the Y-O-T-S, like the Y-O-T-C-T-A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I hopefully that one will stick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: More people will pronounce it that way, but that's the official one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, when I was on mute, the reason why I was on mute is because I was doing some real-time producing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what I was doing was I needed to pull the clip of her saying her last name from the interview.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I want you to hear it and everyone else can hear it and come around and hear it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's close.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's given us the benefit of the doubt because

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[SPEAKER_02]: She even mentioned, I think, or she has mentioned on that English speaker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's a little bit hard for people who speak English to say her name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm going to give it to her now and or give it to you guys now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys tell me, it may just be one of those things where we're just close enough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is the closest we're going to get there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But let's see if this will play your Tita.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, they did that does sound a little different than what I just said.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's hard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a hard found, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like an SSH, like a. Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some tea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some tea in there, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is why I fully understand why she says, just call her JJ.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or what I told what I told Brian

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[SPEAKER_02]: People screw up, Victor, Wimbain Yamma all the time, because they want to throw an N in their Tim Kawakami does it every single time he says his name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He says, Wimbain Yamma, just because it's easier.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so you flip, and then you figure out, okay, I said, or a Wimbain Yamma.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so what does everyone do?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone just calls him Wimbie now, like because it's easier.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You won't screw up Wimbie

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[SPEAKER_02]: You stay is an awesome name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I've never heard anyone name that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like do we just call or that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is the easiest thing to call or use it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jay Jay is a good one too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jay Jay is a good one too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Her use stay is so specific to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her handle is even spelled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why oh you, STA why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you stay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm hanging out with her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did have some folks who were in international people who were in our YouTube comments

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[SPEAKER_02]: She, you know, she says that you can say it that way, but she's making it easier for English speakers, but they had a certain a certain way to say you stay where the where the pronunciation or where the the harder sound should be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What whatever, like she's comfortable with it, I think she's being like like I said she's being nice to everybody, but yeah, so that, you know, I hope that for these broadcasters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: just go to our freaking youtube page man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We got the real of her saying how to say her name on it wasn't there like a like an actual pronunciation that Eric

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[SPEAKER_01]: apricot reported about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they send those pronunciation guides to all the media members.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Eric likes to share it with, um, you know, his readers and everything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as you said, like, I think it's wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That guy is wrong that the team is giving you guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, even he even then.

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[SPEAKER_02]: reference Brian's interview in the thing saying, okay, this is her saying her name.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's a little bit different from the pronunciation guide.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I think you stay herself is probably like, I've been dealing with this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've been dealing with this for a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, Lizard's making it easier for these, there's a farm chicken in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought I had exactly very slow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's close.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you're closer than anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So anyways, all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we got a game Friday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Seattle, hopefully the team, I mean, you know, Seattle, as we record this right now, Seattle sits at 3 and 11, so they're having a tough go at it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Only Connecticut has a worse record than Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they have some very fun young talent to watch and and you know, it should it will be very very fun to watch those two young players play But yeah, hopefully, you know, hopefully they take care of business and then you know, we go into The weekend right there's also is there another game or is the next game on Monday

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they play Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, that's four games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it'll be a very busy week for yours truly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's another, it's Dallas, Minnesota Vegas Wednesday, Friday, Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For next year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did they, I, I feel like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: half of the league is I maybe even more than half of the league, but, you know, even, you know, the two expansion teams, I feel like are playing pretty darn good basketball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's like tent, like right now, especially right now, still we're only, you know, a quarter into the season, but it's like 10 out of the 15 teams are kind of,

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[SPEAKER_02]: playing decent decent basketball to win games and it's just the bottom five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that I feel like the league even though when you get into expansion, it's supposed to make it less competitive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it necessarily worked that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think some of that has to do with

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[SPEAKER_02]: the international players all coming over and playing because of the CBA, the draft class is better than some folks thought it was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is a competitive league.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like outside of a handful of teams, like all of these games are out for grabs for the Valks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I largely agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I largely agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if they can come out of it, like, well, okay, like, let's, let's, they got a handle their business in Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, you said the two young players, honestly, three because Flaujay, Flaujay, Alwa, and Dominic, you know, if they take care of that, I mean, it would be cool if they could go, you know, the very least two and two in next week's four games, if not three and one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a three and one, you know, you really just, you start to really solidify yourself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when we were talking about the episode, being closer to like that top six, maybe top five team as opposed to like battling it out for like that final spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_02]: so can rado is going to try and find some time now next week is busy so we'll try and make it work if you can come back on again I know brands on vacation busy week will figure it out if we can but yeah a lot of games to watch and you know those of you who are in the discord we have game threads going on and the commentary has been very passionate at times but it's still so fun

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[SPEAKER_02]: to talk to pretty smart basketball fans about this team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I really enjoy them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I can't watch every game live, so I miss some of it, but I have a blast talking hoops with the Valkyrie's folks in our Discord.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So appreciate all of you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, Konrad, a quick, your Twitter and where you're publishing, and also you mentioned a new piece that you have coming out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as always, you can follow me on X at CP3 under score seven seven seven seven at the top of my profile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll see the link to my other podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: East meets West.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Huh, I said other podcasts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just got going to include myself with you guys now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for all my Valkyries coverage, but all Valkyries writing, you can find it at thepodiumfinish.net.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I'm not as fast as some other beat writers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I usually write like kind of more macro takes, macro articles as opposed to game recaps, but yeah, you should probably expect one, probably tomorrow and maybe another one this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll be back at some point in the near future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Bries are going to be out for a week, but he'll be back after his vacation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like I said, we'll try and get something with Conrado and myself next week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If possible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So for Conrado and Brian, I am double G. We will see you when we see you piece out.