Gabby Williams Is an All-Star: ESPN Top 50, Beating Vegas & NY | Podhalla

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Hot Hala, it feels like Valkyrie's haven't played forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the weekend Friday we're going to set expectations for the next few games where we're also going to look back and I think we have to start at what I I don't know if I was surprised that it happened because I think it's deserving, but Gabby Williams starting in the all start game, which think about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt it was deserving too and there's probably another list we're going to talk about that she didn't make that it just it felt like she should have been high in that list and it felt like she should have been an all star starter and I understand like you know from a maybe from a stat perspective or from like a

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[SPEAKER_01]: like, they're the third seed and like deservedly so it's not like a, it's not like a fraudulent third seed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've beaten, you know, everyone below them essentially, so, yeah, no, I think very, very deserved, very deserved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was also interested in how they got to the vote because the vote itself,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is, well, let's actually read the starters first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm guessing they're doing a draft because the way that they displayed the starters is they just displayed 10 starters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no conference related aspect to who's starting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it's still maybe conference related, but just like the WMBA isn't really like, they don't care about conferences because the finals is just the two teams, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even the way that they rank the playoffs, it doesn't even match, it's just one three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want us, I'm, I forget if it's a draft or not, honestly, I'm trying to think of the last.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that they, so the last two, I don't think that they drafted because two years ago was the team USA against the rest of the, of the all stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then last year, I don't remember them doing a draft, so maybe it's just, they're just way that they're displaying this, but anyway,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Indian fever are very well represented here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alia Boston, Caitlyn Clark, Kelsey Mitchell, Brianna Stewart, is starting Jessica Shepherd, which is also another surprise, again, having a really good season, but just not somebody I thought that the NBA fans would would select and we'll go over

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[SPEAKER_00]: the how they did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Olivia Miles, she's kind of the hot rookie right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's playing awesome Asia Wilson, of course, Paige Becker's who got a higher fan vote than Caitlyn Clark, which really surprised me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gabby Williams and then Natasha Howard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's how the ranking kind of laid out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a fan rank, there's a media rank, and there's a player rank, and there's a weighted score from those three ranks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And supposedly, there was a story, I think it may have been Annie who wrote Annie, how do you pronounce her the last time costable?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She wrote that some of the sparks players didn't even get ballots, and it was a, I guess it was up to the teams to, to distribute them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess the some teams some players just didn't get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was like a 50% player representation in terms of voting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: WMBA, just gonna keep WMBAing, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard of the MBA of what their player representation is for when voting happens, because I don't know if that's normal or if that is really low.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so this is this is quite amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's look at the guards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So fan rank, it went page one, Caitlin two, Kelsey Mitchell three, Azy foot four, like this is why the fan I'm not surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why the fans don't get the ballot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just because you see stuff like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just, I mean, page obviously giant fan base, I was surprised to see her higher than Caitlin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Were you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit, but I don't know, there's just like no controversy with page where it's like it's like she has no one like rooting for a downfall, maybe except like Caitlyn fans if there's a little rivalry there where I feel like with Caitlyn, there's definitely like a stand base and then also like the opposite of a stand base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you think it's the Caitlyn detractors going like we're going to vote for Paige and Steadard show her that actually does make sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so then on the media rank, Olivia Miles was one page two Caitlin three and Ryan Howard for Kelsey Plum 5.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kelsey Plum was actually six in the fan ranking as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the player rank, it went page one, Ryan Howard II, Olivia Miles III, Sonya Citron and Marine Amabri IV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Caitlyn was 11.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, Azifut 28.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know who's getting really disrespected in all of this though, is Jackie Young, 14 fan rank, 9 medium rank, 14 player rank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, 14 player rankings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'll have any more titles do we have to win for me to get some respect here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the easiest, though, in the, in the, the ACEs and the fever or the players that didn't get their ballots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you know the thing that I found interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of this is obviously injury related Kelsey Plum being kind of low on some of these ballots like if you just look at how she's played on the court

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's kind of been, and we'll talk about this because the ESPN did their top 50 rank and Kelsey is, I mean, Kelsey Plum is way high on that list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if she gets a little bit of slack, not as obviously not as polarizing as Caitlin, but I sense that there's a little bit of that for her sometimes too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the moment Andrew Wiggins got all star starter that one year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, it was like a perfect class, like it was a perfect class, like the K-pop stands and also the perfect class of like, okay, the people in his position aren't really performing that well in his conference, but it's just like you don't have to pay that much mind to all star starters because if you look at your basketball reference page or if you look at your accolades, it doesn't say all star starter just as all star, you know, so Kelsey plumb is is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: deserving of an all star starter, but you know, when you put fan vote at 50% things can change and things can happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think just like the Katelyn Clark fan base, Kelsi Mitchell is deserved like a very good player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get me wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like a give me all star starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's probably who I would have given the spot to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it Kelsi and then Kelsi plum over Kelsi Mitchell and then Mitchell would still be a reserve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, the Katelyn

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's some of the top vote getters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so then on the forward side, how Asia will sort of just not the top fan rank, some of this is just Indian I've related.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alia Boston got number one, Asia two, Brianna three, Jessica Shipper four, Gabby Williams five, and then media rank was Brianna one,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Asia too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one doesn't make sense to me either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How does Brianna Stewart from the media perspective beat Asia Wilson?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is just, yeah, this whole thing's been whack and like even like the stand bases were at work because how does Jessica Shepherd ranked top five?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't she get it great season in herself, but Jessica Shepherd isn't someone who

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[SPEAKER_01]: should be ranking this high if not being on page backers' team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I think the Valkyries, I was listening to the no-obsies in podcast and Sabrina Merchant was saying that it's the teams themselves that like basically apply their players to the guard or forward category.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the Valkyries putting Gabby Williams as a forward was like kind of light years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is she a starter if she's a guard?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, I mean, they sort of figure that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as far as the fans react like that, that guard territory is is very, very crowded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, firm like the superstar aspect of it, and you know, like Sabrina's nowhere on that, that guard list and some of that is because of injury with thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's got her own shoe, she's playing in New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't, she didn't rank in the top 11 overall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You would fan vote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't, I can only see the top 11 overall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see the touch of living in the fan here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then the player rank for the front court players, Asia, Brianna, Jessica Shepherd and then Gabby, and that's really how Gabby gets an onto this list is because the player rank got her there because of what you said, the ratio being for out of the players was it was pretty top notch, poorly of Austin is number one on the fan rank and number eight on the player rank.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think those are just drive buys from Katelyn, I think they just, I think people also feel a certain way about a Leo Boston with their flash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she's very one-dimensional and she's really good at that dimension though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have her on my fantasy team and she's going to carry me to a championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So popularity for popularity sake or maybe even just celebrity for celebrity sake didn't really work for Angel Reese six on the fan six on the media six on the player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she just missed she was the player on the in the front court that just missed out in the player on the back court that just missed out was a right Howard and then Alicia Gray right behind her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I find a lot of the stuff interesting not from the perspective of

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[SPEAKER_00]: do I want to watch the all-star game or does it really matter?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do these things count in the big picture?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like looking at how players see other players, how media, you know, the media thing, I'll give you a real life example.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I covered the AEW wrestling paper view, which was in San Jose,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and this the guy the guy who owns AEW and who runs it he's the president he's CEO he's a owner he's like the whole shabang he's he's the son of the guy who owns the Jacksonville Jaguars so the guy who owns Jacksonville Jaguars is Shad Khan his son is Tony Tony runs AEW and you know Tony's

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[SPEAKER_00]: in a lot of NFL meetings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's, you know, he's run it with the big dogs in that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he even knows, uh, you would know this person's name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about the rest of our audience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the guy who just bought, um, who owns Paramount had recently bought Paramount and is now in the process of buying Warner Bros.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Discovery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His name is David Ellison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the son of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oracle guy Larry Ellison who was rumored to buy the warriors, you know, 15 years ago, however long that was ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So David Ellison is now like the bell of the ball when it comes to these big giant media magnet CEOs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tony, I asked Tony Khan, I was like, this David Ellison really a wrestling fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, yep, I've talked to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know him, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the status of Tony Khan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when I talked to Tony Khan, he kind of had a little scrum for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I got to spend some more on one time with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can see how some folks who cover wrestling in the media just want to just be like, you know, run and, you know, put themselves in front of a speeding car so that Tony Khan doesn't get hit by this car, like they want to put themselves, like I get it because when people treat you in a nice way, like you can be sort of biased towards them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, I check my biases at the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, you know, journalism degree, I understand how to do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, you know, when you talk about Brianna Stewart versus Asia Wilson, I wonder how much of that is just playing the media game because I don't know, in no, in no way shape or form is Brianna Stewart at the same level as Asia Wilson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just no way like you can watch both of them play, Browna Stewart is an awesome player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love watching Browna Stewart play because she knows all the tricks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Asian knows the tricks too, but a lot of time, Asia doesn't even need to use them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how good Asia is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like there's like, there's really no, there's no excuse to me that would make me go, okay, I can understand why Brianna Stewart is a head of Asia in this media ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Other than, they just like her more, or whatever, or that's the part that, you know, I would kind of check the journalist out

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think like, you know, Brianna Stewart in her playing career has like, you know, kind of lost some of like the three point shooting that she was good at earlier in her career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's been able to still like stay dominant and make it up in other ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Asia's like still hasn't lost anything and it's still like getting better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's to me it's like, it's it's it's clear who the best player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It may be the best player of all time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know what's going on there from the media perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, there's always, yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got nothing to say about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no clue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so congrats to Gabby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Veronica Burton makes the...

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[SPEAKER_00]: the reserve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She hasn't had the season that I thought she was going to have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's had a solid season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to this ranking and how she has perceived outside of the Bay Area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Bay Area sees Veronica as a much better player than the rest of WNBA Nation does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Gabby has been, I think I told you this and you were a little bit surprised when I said it a couple weeks ago, I think she's far in ahead the best player on the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think it's close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think when I first heard it, I was just like, I was just operating under the sense of like it was still one A1B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But no, I mean, I mean, Veronica does have the ball in her hands a lot of the time too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, Gabby has the county stats and someone like the closing moments that and some of the the the highs of the year in terms of those moments to like at closing out at land on you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk about this top this ranking, this ESPN top 50 rankings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they do win in the preseason and then I guess this is the mid point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they'll probably do win at the end of the year, but this is a ranking that has determined by Kendra Andrews, Karim Copeland and Michael Vopel, Vopel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All three of those are very credible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: journalists and you know, I'm so gabby is not on this list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was that like the ESPN requirement to like do something controversial?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like here's the thing about list like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're never going to get everything right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is where I was talking about how on this list, Kelsey Plum is number two behind Asia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you look at the all-star rankings and even amongst her peers and amongst the media, she was on the outside looking in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is just a different way to kind of do the same thing that I thought was interesting with the all-star stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Asia,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kelsey Katelyn page so Katelyn over page on this list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brianna Stewart Olivia Miles Olivia Miles at number six already as a young rookie is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Allisha Gray, Ryan Howard, Jackie Young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jackie Young's still kind of getting this a little bit on this list, you know, she's like, I guess, titles really don't matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what's also heavily weighted here are just stats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Jackie Young is playing with the best player in the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So her stats are not going to be as god.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has everyone else's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she had, if she was the top player on her team, they, they, they, they, she'd probably be averaging 20 point to game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's just a solid 16 and a half, 6.8 assists, 4.6 rebounds, and every time she plays the Valkyrie's, I expect her to make the biggest shot of the game, Alyssa Thomas 10, Kelsey Mitchell 11, Kelsey Mitchell is averaging 21 points of game on the same team as Caitlyn Clark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two players in the back court averaging 20 points of game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really believe averaging though, it's just, it's just them three versus everyone, you know, like I guess, yeah, we'll, we'll see for how far away, it falls so pretty psychs 12 that's kind of high, but because she's playing on this team her numbers look good angel Reese 13.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Courtney Williams, 14, Alia Boston, 15.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Alia is at 17, 8.6 and three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Quill, 16, Jessica Shepard, 17.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jessica Shepard, I think, you know, when we were talking about it, I think she does get a little bit of pagebacker shrub, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're watching a lot of wings, then you're seeing her play more than you would if page wasn't on that team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 19, uh, NECA 20, Marine Amabri 21, uh, as you hear in my voice, we haven't even seen a Valkyrie yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chelsea Gray 22.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Chelsea Gray with her 12 points of game and seven assists is at 22.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so from the perspective of Gabby Williams and her stats, like, uh, like Chelsea's numbers don't look fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb McBride 23.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her numbers aren't fantastic either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Though she is a bulldog whenever she's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine with Chelsea Gray just because of like historically how great she is and some, you know, sometimes her stats don't

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[SPEAKER_01]: play a picture and to, you know, the, she's like one of those players where it's like she doesn't need to have all these stats and I know she made a big impact, but Gabby should be coming in around that range and I'm starting to see that she's not going to be a part of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, she's close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's close to this list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Natasha Howard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would actually flip Natasha Howard over Caleb McBride because I just think she's been pretty she's been a pretty dominant force on that team in

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is pretty solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I know, you know, we, we sort of suck Kiki as a little bit one dimensional as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet she's put numbers on the board and that Washington team, his perfect destination for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Started to win some ball games, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gabby Williams, 26.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the thing is here is that

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[SPEAKER_00]: dominant ball dominant score.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She very much fits inside of that offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's she's a key cog in the engine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think they're really putting into putting defense much into this algorithm or this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can really write.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's got to be mostly offensive stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're not

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine because I think they're going to probably do this at the end of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine she'll probably be in the teens by the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, this this one is an outlier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 27 Skyler, 28, a reggae, 29, she cure Austin and 30, sought to sobly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you can have sought to sobly this high because she's almost the entire season

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll cherry pick some of the rest of these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now here's the one that I think may have Valkyrie's fans, a little frustrated here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For reasons of Veronica Disrespect, but also for reasons of Valkyrie's for an office disrespect, Karla late 31.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They actually have Carla's numbers wrong here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have her way too tall and she's not a forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's worried about the, yeah, it's all the week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 15 points of game, six assists, 2.3 rebounds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carla late over Veronica Burton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you know, it's like, they don't care about defense or winning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know this is this is a list just to get engagement just just like what we're doing so that's literally first and foremost what it's for and and so you know that's kind of that's kind of what it is so I take that for a great assault and then Kennedy Carter 34

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[SPEAKER_00]: that seems like an outlier as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When Kenny Carter has basketball, she cooks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She looks amazing, but she can't stay healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She or whatever is going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She can't stay on the court for some reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they pick on her defensively, they just do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then we finally get to Veronica Burton 35.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, her numbers are not also not as as gotty because the with the Valkyries run their offense, but still very serviceable 12 points, 5.4 assists 3.63 bounds and also again, she is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: having a really good defensive season like she's not as she she doesn't stand out on the page or on the television set Like Gabby because she's not that kind of athlete like Gabby jumps off the screen because she's an incredible athlete She runs like a deer Veronica is not that but Veronica is very very valuable to that defense as well

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sorry 37 what do you think about Janell at 37?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't even start now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's going on here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your girl Melonga at 39 her number.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Janell above Melonga.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Her numbers look better than a lot of these other numbers that and some of this is maybe just because they've been in the league for for longer, but yeah, Malong is numbers look pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 17.4, 7.6 rebounds, 1.3 blocks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She also missed some time though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Camila Cardoso who I never hear about, except when she had that crazy game the other day, she's 40.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and then just scrolling through a z forty three uh... feed bitch forty five kiki rice forty six having heard a lot about kiki either because i know she was heard as well uh... and then flage a forty nine

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for Flauget again on this good for Flauget all right that that actually again This is like kind of just like a fun Yeah, you know a fun way to look at the league and to see how other folks look at some of these teams and some of these players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So All right, let's move on Valqueries against the liberty Why did the Valqueries have the liberty's number do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the number, I could like and look it up, but I wonder where the Liberty ranking defense, because I just feel like that's where the Valkyries are able to like impose their will on teams is if they're not that good of a defensive team and they're like mainly like an offensive team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said it earlier in the year when they played the Chicago sky and before Rookiea Jackson went down, Chicago's defense looked

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[SPEAKER_01]: really good, especially against the Valkyries, who couldn't generate anything on the offensive side, but I was just like, I don't, they're going to have a harder time this year against teams that have good defenses because then they need to like, their offense needs to go and know overdrive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know that they're, you know, a defensive team like that's that's their best side of the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think for the Liberty, it just feels like they're able to shut down whatever the Liberty wanted to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think Sabrina has really had a good game recently against the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were able to not let Brianna Stewart get going either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, they were able to play up against John Quill and kind of, it just was like all the, all the Liberty stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seems like the Valkyries just had,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, a game plan that that worked against them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And on the other side, the values were just able to kind of turn defense into offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, that that stretched to end the half was like kind of what put them ahead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were just able to maintain that lead the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that that comfortable lead the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they also just cooked their back court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sabrina was a minus 23 in that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of incredible that when the Valkyries

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[SPEAKER_00]: working the way that they want, they can really take the other teams back court and and take them out of out of their rhythm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think this is also the reason why the Aces play well against the Valkyries because Asia is so dominant and she's kind of the

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[SPEAKER_00]: she's the key of the entire thing and the vacres just don't have an answer like you can throw multiple people at Brianna Stewart and Brianna Stewart is not going to bulldoze through every single one of them and still get to the cup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's either going to, you know, she'll, she'll, she'll, she'll, she'll take a midi, she'll take a fade away, but she's not going to just

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[SPEAKER_00]: step through and finish like Asia can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's really the difference in the two teams and how they play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And until the Valkyries kind of figure out, and I don't know what the solution is by the way, against Asia, she's just kind of indefensible with the current roster that they have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: if you had Kia Stokes and a four who was a little bit bigger or a little bit stronger like a analysis myth let's just say like if you had those two at the same time kind of bumping Asia the whole game in the same lineup I wonder if that would help a little bit but then Asia is so good she's going to get those guards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, uh, she's going to find the open guard to hit the three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I like I watch the liberty and I think some of it is also, the liberty just sort of not that athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As, uh, now, assier,

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[SPEAKER_00]: can go to the cup like nobody's business and just goes right hand every time too and I'm just like man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she can get to the rim, but I just don't see the athletic ceiling on that liberty team as hot like Junkwell Jones is great, but she and Brianna kind of that they could slow it's a little slow in that position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if you speed them up,

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[SPEAKER_00]: then they're going to struggle because if they're not making shots and you're getting rebounds and you're running the other way, that's not their game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the Valkyries fit New York very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, New York fits bases, races very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you watch the commissioners cup game?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I watched the I watched about half of the game that they beat them because I don't know the commissioners cup Didn't have Asia didn't have sought to mean while the game before that had everyone sought to goes down early, but Yeah, the liberty I think are just match up well against the ACEs because they have size And I think that that's what I think we need against the ACEs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need another big who can just like, you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can keep the starting line at the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're Caleb Thorin's on Asia and then Kia kind of gets the Rome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then if you get to have some like supporter and assurance for when Kia goes to the bench or when KT goes to the bench.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not just the small ball line up against that aces team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what we need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the liberty have so many players that they can just throw out there and just be like, just be big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Saw to, Junkwell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, the, the tall, uh, Han, Han Zoo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and they did, they did, yeah, they just have, have taller players that I think that, you know, the Valkyries are missing when it comes to, to matching up against Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you know, this is going to be a reoccurring theme.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there are just teams of Walker's play very well against.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be, you know what's it going to be a good test is this Washington game, because talent for talent, I think the Valkyrie should win that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you got the bigs that Washington has, I think they're going to probably create some problems for the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think the Valkyries have ever blown out Washington.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd have to look at the scores.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was at the first ever win last year, which was against Washington.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we haven't lost to them yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have to see, but I think I like usually how we've matched up against them, but you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got, you know, Kiki got Shakira and then you got Lauren.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's a lot of size, but I think the Valkyries will just shut down whatever they want to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they'll just I think they, I think they will beat most of these teams near the bottom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I guess the the one thing about the commissioner's cup or not not one, but maybe maybe there are more things to learn from that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A Asia, like, can sit on the bench and go, that's why I'm the MVP like you see like this is why I'm the MVP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, there were opportunities though for where we're Jackie Young was like, I'm putting this team on my back like every time New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of pulled away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jackie Young was like, watch me, watch me hit this three right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just write in somebody's face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm so impressed watching her more and more because I knew you were a big proponent of like, let's find a way to get Jackie to go and state.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh she's amazing and I do think you know it's kind of like when Kelsey left the Vegas like you're like oh she wants her own thing and hasn't actually worked out with the sparks for Kelsey but when she has played she's shown her ability to just set it off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Jackie would be the same way but smartly

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[SPEAKER_00]: She also wants to just keep winning titles at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she knows that she's fine being the one B or the second best player on the team or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also she gets just gets to play with an amazing point guard who kind of doesn't care about any of her own self or stats and Chelsea Gray, she just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to set people up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, when I need to get a bucket, I'll get a bucket and I'll flex and somebody's face and kind of do the big shoulders thing, but the bullet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the aces are an amazing team to watch New York is just so flawed and in a few different ways and you know, you know what I also think it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a curse to the coachman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think until he texts you back and goes on your podcast, he's just not going to beat the Valkyrie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if coach wants to, you know, wants to reverse this Dan Housing like a curse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to text you back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't I can't do another text like it's like eight of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not it's not a good look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is like Who is that one player that you were trying to get on your pod from the warriors back in the day?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's like Eric Pascal?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I almost had him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had him too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like when we were starting up my little podcast with my college friends and he was like, I'll do it and then I was like, okay, awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he ends up on like a more popular like fan-led podcast and I was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, if we, uh, if we think about a little bit more about ways that the Valkyries can beat some of these other teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even look at the standings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Atlanta has fallen off a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the links, like is there anything that you've seen of late to where it makes you think that the Valkyries could actually figure out some ways how to beat this team?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, if he's not back, but the links are still 15 and four, they're at the top of the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a team that the Valkyries have played competitively

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[SPEAKER_00]: to get over the line with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I mean, I remember saying like when it was aces versus links, like, or, you know, in terms of values versus aces, values versus links, I feel like we have a better shot at getting a win against the links.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's mainly from like a match of perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I said it multiple times, I just don't think we have a shot as currently constructed against aces, like a reasonable shot, but with the links,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, two very close games, they've, you know, shut down different players in both games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Olivia goes off in game one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They completely limit her game two, like they're they're figuring things out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we get the links two more times before the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas I think we're done playing the aces.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think you can get one of those, but you mean Nefisa who I think is a top two player in this league is returning to a number one seed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's like a very interesting thing that I don't think I've ever really seen where, you know, one of the two best players in the league just gets to come back to a one seed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're missing like almost half of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Farrow X 115 shout out said they just have to close and a hundred percent and maybe that's what the links have closers the link Courtney Williams is their kryptonite when it comes to closing should just get a screen and then she'll go to her little midi and just

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[SPEAKER_01]: hit the shot they have to take out Kia in the closing lineup which I forget if they did in the second game but in the first game Courtney was just like okay I'm just gonna go attack Kia three times in a row she did to check you too and it was just like you need to I think you need to end and small against that team but here's the other thing what we've been talking about Gabby being the best player

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's been inconsistent as a closer I would say there have been some late game mistakes and turnovers and bad fouls or you end of quarter bad fouls and so that's a part of her game that as she's in she's inherited and she's kind of taken

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[SPEAKER_00]: this top dog roll for this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that I think the Valkyries look at her in that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you read Marcus Thompson's story about the all-star game stuff, by the way?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she knew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the day before, I think she got a call from Kathy and O'Hemma was like, you can't tell nobody, because we have to wait a day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she had to keep all of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, what about my teammates?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I just tell my teammates?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she had to keep all of this stuff with her because she's so happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't about, I need to share this with my teammates because this is, for this is them too, this isn't just me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's how she thinks, which is tremendous in which is why it's like, I'm so happy she's on this team and I'm so happy that we get to watch her every week because that is her mentality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, the best players in the league, if they need to get a bucket, they get a bucket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where maybe,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this 38 minutes of being the greatest teammate and the leading score turns into, okay, I'm either getting a bucket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting fouled, or because of the gravity, I'm finding the open shooter, but it's my thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's maybe the next level of her game as a Valkyrie's player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would love to see how they figure that out by the time they get to the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's kind of been the Valkyrie's like for the past two years where it's like we don't know who the closer's gonna be, like I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: closing offensive move that we even have is Chetchie and you know she took the last shot against the links in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She got the last shot opportunity against the links most recently and Olivia Miles blocked it, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't that against it was that Chetchie?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, just Chetchie having like that mid-range shot at three point shot, it's like with the gabby, it's like what the leaning kind of mid-range fade away or like

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[SPEAKER_01]: beating someone off the dribble and just being athletic to get to the cup like there's not really other than that like what I don't know what move she likes to go to to close whereas Checci I could tell you what she's probably going to do and you know it works for a reason

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also it doesn't work for a reason because they know what she wants to do and she doesn't have the athletic ability to make them think that she's doing something else like even when she even when they close out hard and she can drive she cannot always get there because they eventually catch up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I'm just saying like, okay, they ran the play for Cheshire against the links to end the year and it's like, she took the shot and we were both like, you know, maybe it does go it, but that's like, we were okay with that shot, like she got to her shot, we were okay with the shot with Gabby, like, I think there could be sometimes where it's like, we don't know her preferred shot, we don't even know, can she get to that shot, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean, I check he's an impressive offensive player and Gabby's like more regarded for her defense say with Veronica, but you know, so there's a reason for the, I just think, not to put a cap on Gabby, I just think that, you know, this is kind of who she is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think, and then who she is is an all star starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then our opinion, the top 20 player in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I, if I would put much stock into like her kind of isowing, taking someone off the dribble to close a playoff game for the Valkyries, but I mean, she's probably going to be tasked with doing so, but I just mean as like a reliable, when when she puts the shot up in the air, I'm like, am I going to be like, you know, at the edge of my seat, like, is this taking a fall or am I going to be more like, ah, that was pretty contested, like, I don't know if that's going to fall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think it's also a mentality thing, like I can't imagine with 30 seconds left, Nat goes, okay, spread the floor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Five out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gabby's got the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: whoever's guarding Chetchie, come over here, Chetchie setting the screen so we could identify the work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's just not Valkyries basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they can do a little bit more of that kind of thing late in games, because I, you know, we always go back as Warriors fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like LeBron was like, in the final, he's like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Festus is in this game all right yeah bring over Festus's man because he's gonna have to you know I'm just gonna start killing Festus and then Steve Kerr was like a little bit like Wait, what are we doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh shoot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna take Festus out to late LeBron is already hit a couple Or even most recently in a warriors playoff series against Luca when they were just like we want Luca on the ball at all times Garding whoever has the ball handler because we won he's not a great defender to we want to tire him out

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that on the offensive end, he's not able to produce as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that yeah, the Valkyrie's don't do that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think Luke a complaint to the referee before the play even started.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, come on, man, you got to bail me out here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, look, you're going to have to look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have to do a lot of that this year, man, with that what what Bill Simmons called the Snow Time Lakers, such a good name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, just just going to look at the rest of, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the standings here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So ACE is 14 and five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Valkyrie's 13 and seven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're not even we're almost halfway through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not quite halfway through yet because 44 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So 22 games would be the halfway point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The dream 12 and eight Liberty 12 and eight Dallas 12 and eight fever 11 and eight mystics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The baby mystics are common.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're six and four in their last 10 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've won their last two games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Triple over time game that almost went into quadruple over time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like holy-cred.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... the uh... the mistakes ten nine the tempo nine and ten so not you know not too bad not very you know i think about this at the point of these credit teams nobody at this point last year the valkers were ten and ten so not dissimilar right like these these expansion teams kind of in the same uh... you know they looked up to the valkers are like what about the valkers do like how do we you know how do we keep uh... how do we state get competitive immediately because the fire fire not as good eight

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[SPEAKER_01]: the fire were the good one though they were the one we were like oh wow like they might be this year's valkyries and then they kind of got rid of some players and I they have haven't been that good lately I think they're going to be the ones that they've also kind of like a really fun following yeah like juju guys but juju could you know not come this year so we'll see

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and then uh... mercury eight and thirteen though they have one three in a row and the terrible sky uh... Seattle storm at least if you're see at all you're like okay we're fine because we got some of the one some areas very interesting games as a late like they will they beat the liberty right and then they also be at land on most recently was it not last night but the game before that

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then the poor Connecticut son, man, not the poor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 4 and 16.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're 1 and 8.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just like, get us a Houston.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, they're 2 and 8 in the last 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK, so let's look forward to the rest of the next week, or the next few games for the Valkyrie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they go into Atlanta tomorrow, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they go into Atlanta tomorrow and this is a team when they had the home the two home games in a row They they won both games now Atlanta is probably thinking like yeah You guys got yours on your home court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is time for our home court now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a early game Do you know what do you know what time this game is tomorrow?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like nine or something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 10 a.m. Yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike, you know, they do these games in the WMBA for like, it was like for like kids camps, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like these early ones for the Valkyries against the fever last year, the super early game, those four like kids summer camps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and we're in Vegas, it's going to be Vegas versus the Mercury, which I really wanted to go to, but I think I'm going to really like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They go into Washington, I think this is going to be a tougher game than some may expect, but it's also a good, it's also just a good game for the Valkyrs to figure out these games where you have two dominant bigs, which is kind of against the grain for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Wednesday, we finally see the tempo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a ton of home games in a row like like the entire month of June was like a home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next Friday the sun and then then they go into Indiana the following Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll have to figure out, probably Thursday seems right as far as doing a doing the next show just for if I'm looking at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm not going to I'm going to be in Vegas next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what when are you leaving?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, so so you're saying, oh, maybe we could possibly do Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got to hit the conrato bad signal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I might, if we can't do Tuesday, I will definitely reach out to conrato conrato by the way for for folks who are looking at his stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote a, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: a piece he wrote like a really long piece on summer league so I've I will retweet that but you you can find that on his Twitter and I was going to share it in our discord later so all right so that is really all I have for valkyries stuff we're going to switch gears

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just do a little tiny, it's a bit sea little bit of warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So folks who are only Valqueries and don't want to hang out for the warrior stuff, you can you can turn this off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to do a quick segment because we haven't done a full episode of the Deathline episode of Wow, but we've been doing these little clips on YouTube and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like we have to talk about this little brown thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's switch gears.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the latest latest latest about where LeBron is going, rich Paul had a whiteboard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's again, he wrote the stars on the teams who he thinks are the best fit for LeBron.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The warriors are in the secondary tier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he did not add Jimmy Butler to this list of warriors players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was Stefan Dre, uh, I would have put Geese Antos if I was, uh, Rich Paul if he knew better, but I think now here it here's my take on this whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, it would be in Rich Paul's best interest and the bronze best interest as the owners of clutch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to get something done with Anthony Davis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the wizards have said that they do not want to trade Anthony Davis, though they did just trade for DeAndre eight and today, is that correct?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like 30 minutes ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they, some people think it's 80 insurance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be, yeah, we're trading 80, so we need a big.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My take on this thing is, I think it's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for the warriors to be playing poker here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if it comes down to it and Steph and Dre are meeting with LeBron, he's like, I'm not coming unless this happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they believe him, then maybe you do have to kind of figure out if you can get AD.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think from the poker perspective is, you don't want the warriors to become team clutch for essentially one season, max two seasons, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the better thing is to say, we are actually team staff, and team clutch comes underneath team staff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: get Steph and Dremon on your mind, the game podcast, drink wine with the OGs, you don't have to hang out with any of these youngsters that are probably getting on your nerves on these other teams, like come play with us and we'll just have a blast and we'll play some of the greatest basketball that you would ever want to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the right play because what you're doing is you're staring in the face of Rich Paul and saying,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Send him to Cleveland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can be the biggest star in Cleveland again, but then he has to inherit everything that comes with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he is not at the level anymore to take that Cleveland team over the top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what does that say about Mitchell and what does that say about mobly?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How are those guys going to take that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: On the Warriors there's no drama because he just falls underneath Steph as the top guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's the right way to play it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but it may not be the right way to get him if they are if this is the way they want to play it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know just based on our conversations that you would just rather see them get Davis and figured all out, but are you worried a little bit about kind of how this becomes clutch West?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not worried about clutch West, but I am worried about it is

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[SPEAKER_01]: the wizard saying, oh, so we have to give up Anthony Davis a player that we actually like in order to facilitate you guys getting LeBron, like, no, you're going to have to really convince us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like, the warriors just getting kind of fleeced in a deal, that would worry me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think from the LeBron side, like, yeah, I agree with what you're saying, like, OK, if the option is between the warriors and the calves, like, if this is between happiness, you're going to be happier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: getting to see your good friend dream on every day, getting to hang out with stuff and getting to play fun basketball, whereas you look on the the cabside and, you know, there's a really clunky fit there with James Harden, you know, there's, you know, that how does how did their stars feel?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How does Donovan Mitchell feel?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, he is their guy, like he's going to be giving up some stuff and, you know, they have kind of been missing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a few pieces, and I don't think LeBron is necessarily one of them, but you don't say no to LeBron, but I think from the LeBron and Rich Paulside, it's like, okay, so if I'm LeBron James, I will be taking, you know, a big pay cut, and I'm not going to take a big pay cut unless you guys do this thing for, you know, go get Anthony Davis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on, you know, and on the flip side, it's like, either you guys do this, or you're just gonna be the same thing as last year, and I don't know, like, that just seems like the worst case scenario for the warriors to just run it back to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know that, you know, we haven't really seen what the pausing is in Jimmy fit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, but like, it's like, I would just rather,

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[SPEAKER_01]: see LeBron's stuff Anthony Davis and Dream on and I know that you know there's the comments that TK made on the plus minus show of like the lawyers like being a superstar friendly destination they don't want to just ship their superstars you know they want to take good care of them Jimmy Butler was there when they unveiled their new sponsor and Jimmy said he thinks is the first class organization like I get it and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Jimmy Butler would be mad if you can send him to Washington and yes, but it's just like, what do you want to save face or do you want to have one more shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, if LeBron's going to pull that card and say, I'm not coming unless Anthony Davis is here and then the warriors go, okay, so go play for go play for Cleveland and they try to hardball them and say it's not going to be that fun over there and you know the marketing opportunities you have here with Silicon Valley and your buy and your know your business man and that yada yada like

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can play that card, but if he ends up choosing another team and they have to be like, okay, let's, let's go with our plan B, which is, uh, you know, freaking jocklandel or he's already signed, you know, that's just like, what, what's the other options?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I bet you they suck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, hey, there might be some hubris in this, because I think you're right in that way, but if you're Joe Laker, and you don't want to bow down and kiss the ring, very much like

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[SPEAKER_00]: after those three years, he was like, dude, you know what we're doing here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what we got, like, let's just run it back, and the Brown was like, no, I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got what I needed out of Miami.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm now going to go and Pat Riley was like, some wrong with this dude, you know, like that's that that was Pat's mentality and LeBron was probably thinking the same way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some wrong with this old man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you're Joe Lekub, you probably think you have

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[SPEAKER_00]: other moves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, we can do this one, this thing for one or two years and or the the building will be popping chase.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is take your prices will be insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll be they'll be insane and what we, you know, but you know, it also is going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: people will be thinking that you're getting all three guys playing and then one of them's going to be out and then you're like, oh man, I just paid two x for this ticket and now one of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thank God I live in San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could buy warriors tickets like day of so I guys planned last second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but if you're Joe, you're probably thinking, like, okay, Flabron doesn't come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have this other thing where we could possibly trade for a trade Murphy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have this other thing where we could go get somebody else, like, why weren't they in on a Jalen Brown thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, come on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Close my mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two first-round picks, it's all it took to get that guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I get, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's that, maybe it's Paul George versus Jimmy Butler or maybe they just thought like Jalen Brown is great, but we're chasing this other thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be interesting to hear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think that they probably feel like they have another move and they do think that they're the smartest team in the NBA and it's light years and that's the mentality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you think about it that way, when you think that you always configure it out if plan A doesn't work,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see why they wouldn't bow down to to clutch in this way, yeah, and but then you could lose out on everything because we've been thinking that though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did pull off the Jimmy thing when we all didn't think that that was the greatest idea at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it worked for that one season if Steph doesn't get hurt, they probably be looking at a conference finals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they probably take Minnesota all the way to seven and maybe even win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just like a scene and then maybe you end up in, you know, that Pacers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who knows, you know, we do, but yeah, like that when it was when it worked and what it looked like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, even before Jimmy went down, I know it was a tough start to the year, but they had just started winning stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they got that spurs, you know, they won those two spurs games, and then, you know, I forget how much time passes in between that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if finally look like it was actually starting to kind of get put back together and then Jimmy goes down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you're, you're, there's no clear, there's no clear path to like, contention and so why not, I guess, why not just have, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, why not because there's no clear path to contention, but then you got to hurry up Davis like that's part of the thing too is you're you got to and and if you look at the Boston thing now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This won't be too much on the Boston jail and brown thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It very much seems that they did not want to be playing paying two players 50 million dollars a year to play basketball together because it just hard caps them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: very quickly and you cannot add the depth pieces that that you would want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you want to be too happy is the depth pieces.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like don't you like what, you know, Gees on Tosa's a ninth man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like doesn't that sound like pretty good?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they I feel like they've always for these past couple years, they've had six through nine where it's like okay, like those guys like look like they're in their correct rotation spots meltin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have the three guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have that 3nd length.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the starter rotation players like they don't have a jaded McDonald's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have, you know, that player, but they have

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we should look at, but I mean, like they look like they're a deep team with or for it as the 10th man or something like that sounds on paper like a deep team, but they're missing like more the guys at the top, like after, you know, stuff, it's like fit and stuff and Jimmy, it's like, well, well, we're missing that like Moses moody was supposed to be like, jade me, they know, it's not going to be wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was, you know, he's been good, but now he's out for a long time and you may need to even play this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be, are we going to, to sack on Sunday?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the deal?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know yet, because now Mexico's playing England.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like so tapped in right now, and I don't know yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what I want to choose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fine if we don't go to sack on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Ghost says a Boston fans are furious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I might evil for enjoying that a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, not not evil at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm all psyched.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love Boston kind of fans being upset.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Making fun of the snowtime lakers like, hey, I know their teams are probably making fun of us thinking we're going to get LeBron and then we're not going to get them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's going to be all these popular teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got lots of fans, but also lots of people who are not fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll figure out next week, whether it's Brian and I possibly on Tuesday or maybe we'll hit the Conrado bat signal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We always love talking to Conrado.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it for Brian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am a double G. We will see you when we see you peace out.