Mystics End the Win Streak & All-Star Break Preview | Podhalla

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Padhala, Brian, Conrado or here with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we want to get to some business before we talk about what's going on in Valtre's land.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Conrado is going to become the third member of this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Conrado, as folks have noticed, we've called him our favorite guest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've kind of called him the third person on the show anyways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we just went ahead and made it official.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kenroddo is going to continue to give us the, the boots on the ground, the reporting analysis that he's been doing, the basketball X is a nose that he does very well, the scouting aspects of things and just overall, I think personally adds his ads to the conversation and Kenroddo so welcome to the being the third member of Pad Hall here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: well thank you guys so much you know for all is having me on the show and it's you know truly an honor to kind of be here in a more you know a regular or permanent I guess you can say capacity so really excited you know I mean I just seeing you know the growth of the show

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[SPEAKER_02]: And also, just like again, the continued growth of the fan base, you know, I think, you know, the, the few opportunities though that where we've all been able to meet up in person, it's usually amongst, you know, a sea of values fans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I think, it's really great to just try to be able to contribute a little bit more coverage for, you know, the base, frankly, the base team, let's be real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually not it's not too hard to not be the base best team right now, but we'll see the 49ers are like Hold on here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let's let's let's see what what happens here, but okay, so You know you're doing a bunch of things we've pointed it out We'll talk a little bit about your article on Latisha a me here from the podium finish you have other podcasts so we you know we appreciate you you have a a lot of a lot of

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[SPEAKER_00]: irons in the fire, I guess I could say, and so we're happy that you can, you know, make some time for us too, because I think overall, like you said, the community aspect of this, the fan base is growing, we feel like we can bring something to the conversation to the community that is valuable and adding you, I think adds more to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to run with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, just so folks know, we do plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on branching this show outside of our BSPN media podcast feed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the we'll figure out the YouTube channel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the YouTube channel is going to stay the same for now at least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the audio feed, I don't want to give a date yet because we haven't figured that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in the near future, sometimes maybe

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, a month or two down the line, we will have a new feed set up for this podcast, and everything else will still stay in the BSPN feed, but we want, we really are looking to take this podcast to the next level, and you know, that's, it's kind of the, the next thing that we need to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's something that Brian's always wanted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brian wanted this show to be a standalone show with its own feed, and we think bringing Colorado in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: pushing, you know, more things getting more people on getting more guests getting more inside info I think that will give us the opportunity to do so so welcome carado and let's let's actually talk about these games Brian you we were talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the end of Monday's game, and I watched it late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see it as it was happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really missing my live discord feed chats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever I can't watch the game live, because it's really fun to discuss the game with everybody in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: As I'm watching this game, I had a thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wait a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I watching the wrong game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Valkyries are up like seven points with like three minutes left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I must be watching the wrong games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way they lose this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then it just kind of unravels a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you have a major takeaway from what happened or what you saw as the main reason why you thought maybe that the game got out of hand the way that it did there at late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Honestly, like I feel like it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had friends text me like this is a really bad like loss by the Valkyries just you know that run that the Washington mystics go on just just not a good look for the Valkyries but as I watched it I was just like this is

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[SPEAKER_01]: feels a little uncharacteristic, a little unique and I don't know, like if I don't have the game login front of me, but like it was too Caleb Thornton free throws and then it was a Janelle foul on area Finn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She shoots free throws makes one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then it was an uncharacteristic Veronica turnover because Janelle comes and they just like a miscommunication back on the other end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like an an one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's a Caitlyn Jen turnover and then it's an

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alqueries would, I mean, and then Gabby took a couple shots that you're like not that mad about like the like their shots that she's taken before and made it just I felt like like a weird loss and so so I watched I rewatched the game that they won.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on what Sunday or Saturday and I was at the last couple minutes there and I kind of felt like the only difference was that the mystics were playing a little bit of hero ball down the stretch of like someone would just try to make something happen and that's what the Valkyries want you to you know just take long in the shot clock and one person's just doing it so they can just kind of you know keep their eyes on you and make it difficult for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt like there were some hero ball in that first game and some longer drawn out shot clock possessions where they had to take tough shots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this time down it was like quicker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like on the fast break that these, you know, fouls were happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel like I don't have this obvious like basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like analysis on on what went wrong outside of just like maybe the mystics played a tighter game down the stretch and just some uncharacteristic turnovers maybe some misses that should go in and I don't know I don't think I'm not thinking too too much about this loss but I know I did say last podcast that I said after the Chicago law says I wonder how they perform against teams that have

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, pretty good defenses defenses that, you know, can come close to rivaling the the Valkyries defense and then it when it becomes a who's got the better offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I worry for the Valkyries is like, are they going to be able to pull out a game like that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, they got, they got two out of three against Washington.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they see him again, but if they do,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they who knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of don't want to see them in the first front of the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that I think that the Valkyries will win that, but it doesn't seem like the the easiest first round matchup that they probably deserve if they end up as a top three scene.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Konrado, was there anything you saw from either team that changed from the first game to the second game in this two game series, an adjustment, you know, Washington did this better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Golden State did this less as well as they as they did in the first game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was there anything in the strategy that you saw from the game?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I mean, yeah, I think, um, you know, Washington, the six-head coach, city Johnson, you know, he, he did acknowledge, uh, before both games, right, that the Valkyrie's three-point shooting, obviously, right, it's something that has to be accounted for.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's something that the players really need to be, uh, very aware and conscientious of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the sense that like, it's not just a matter of,

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[SPEAKER_02]: how well the values shoot threes or the range with which they shoot threes it's also the volume with which they shoot threes and I think in the first game they were really more concerned about again trying to contest and make them shoot like you know maybe a foot or two outside of the three point line that didn't work right I mean that still plays in to

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[SPEAKER_02]: the valkyries strengths, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you could call them rhythm shooters or whatever, but you know, whether it's KT or Janelle or even Gabby or VB.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they have no problem pulling up from, you know, three, four feet behind the arc.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, how given how good the valves are at crashing the offensive glass, they're okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're okay with those misses because I mean, they got really great ball trackers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Charles specifically, you know, Katie's obviously got a radar for those kind of rebounds that you're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like all of a sudden, like you don't even see her in the picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, you just see a swooping violet jersey come into and you go, oh, that must be

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the valves, they, I know a lot of fans don't particularly like their style of offense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not particularly flashy and at times it looks like it lacks really any creativity, but given their personnel to me, it at least makes sense why they do what they do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't pass the ball and abundant, like with any abundance, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: However, that also directly correlates to why.

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[SPEAKER_02]: they don't turn the ball over very much.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Sam's saying, so like they take shots that they're comfortable taking and all that is to say is going back to Washington.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think between games one and two, Sidney Johnson really did say, okay, the three point volume is killing us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I mean, like the values are ready play at the slowest pace.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They can force their opponents to play at the slowest pace, right, in the league.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Therefore, you're limiting possessions

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[SPEAKER_02]: As certain point, the math will win out, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, three is still greater than two, you know, saying, and you can't leave everything to chance, not when a team like the Valkyries, not only are comfortable shooting from deep, but shooting super late in the shot clock.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so, uh, Cindy Johnson, she cure Austin after the game they admitted, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they come kind of changed up their defensive scheme to force the values into late shot clock long twos.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't easy, you know, and they really weren't able to execute until probably after halftime.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but basically like it forced a lot of their players out of the comfort zone, but they had to trust in their wings.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It forced like Kiki Ewi-Afen, um, even Lauren Bets to defend higher up, like more towards the level, you know, and that would normally allow them to be a little bit more susceptible to backdoor cuts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But they trusted like Sonya Citron, McKayla O'Neon, where I to be able to kind of recover and drop down to kind of cut off the second level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Obviously in that final like that fourth quarter that definitely showed up, but so that's I want to give the mystics kudos to that because that was a really not just creative but a risky adjustment, you know, because I mean, you know, how like agile Gabby Williams is she could easily got back there, you know, or Kyle Charles, you know, whoever else was out there at the end, but if I had to be a little bit more critical though of the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_02]: feel like they let up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They let up once they got up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, nine with 444 to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they're kind of pumping up the crowd and everything and the crowds pumping them up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they have to defend a team like the mystics of very specific way, you know, the manner in which they have to front the posts and everything, the timing of it, the rotations, they were completely all out of sync at that point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So defensively, I want to give again, mistakes credit for executing their offensive game plan.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But defensively, the valves were completely

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[SPEAKER_02]: that they had the game in hand, or they were kind of looking already to the all-star break, you know, feeling good about themselves, but they kind of let their guard down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, one of the things that I was, and because I knew that they had lost the game, so I was just trying to look, I didn't look at it like I would normally watch the game, which is trying to, you know, just watch it and keep up with the pace and how things are going, like I was specifically watching for where the mystics may have adjusted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, offensively, they did some interesting things, because like you mentioned, the Valkyries have to defend them in a very specific way because they are so small by comparison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you saw their bigs would get the ball and they were expecting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the pesky guards to come down and mess with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was freeing up shooters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was almost like they were expecting that to happen to free up shooters for three pointers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was really smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not that you're gonna make all of those three pointers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not that the Valkyries can't get back on some of that, because that's what makes Gabby and Veronica so great is they can get in, and they can get back out and still get to shooters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought because of specifically,

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[SPEAKER_00]: three bigs that the Valkyries just they they cannot match up with there I I thought watching there was a little bit more of a consideration to make sure we stayed with them a little bit longer which allowed the passers to get to get passes out to three to to the a three-point line and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always bring this up because it's exactly what it reminds me of, which is when the, you know, I mentioned this on a show that you were on before with the, the, the, we believe team and how the, how the warriors defended Dirk, which is, you know, Dirk just loved to kind of get in the post or hold the ball, dribble dribble dribble, and they were timing when he was going to make a decision to shoot and they were bringing that double team late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: bringing the folks so that the bigs could see and go, okay, they're coming here here, boom, pass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was pretty smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, of course, they're gonna utilize their size in other ways, but from the perspective of here's what we know the valks like to do on defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's how we're gonna counter that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, it was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think like this,

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[SPEAKER_02]: This specific series against the mystics, like I think, you know, the way Kenzo Fakuta of clutch points characterize it was like a, like a, a typical example of styles make fights, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: In the sense that like you had two very contrasting, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: like rosters, like the manner in which they're built with very different strengths.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's like you're putting two of them again, two polar opposites against each other.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, at what point does one or the other kind of relent or concede on something that they do well?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because in the first game, the mistakes try to go triple big.

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[SPEAKER_02]: with Kiki we often at the three, you know, a secure Austin at the four bets at the five, you know, or whatever, if you wanna say they're interchangeable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as certain point, you know, the mistakes have to concede.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They couldn't keep doing it, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because, I mean, as soon as we went small, Natalie pivoted.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She went even smaller, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She went back to the job in KT at the four or five lineup.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they started running four or five picking roles.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and then the mystics bigs were completely lost.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were in no man's land, but they went back to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They went back to it, you know, using like, you know, Georgia A-more, you know, and Sonia Satron as the initial screeners, they found some success to kind of stick to, enough success that they can at least stick to it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I liked it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I really enjoyed these two games, because, you know, you have to find different ways to win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think the balconies have shown.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They can do that throughout this season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's just another reminder that I think, like these two teams, they truly understand their identities.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think every team in the league can say that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even the teams that have a good record, they're still trying to figure themselves out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can, you know, as fans, you can lament what the values aren't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the Valkyries, like the players themselves, Natalie and Acosta, her coaching staff, they at least understand who they are, what their strengths are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they form like good game plans.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it'll be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It'll be interesting to see, yeah, moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What the second half of the season looks like for both teams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it was definitely a good test.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And as Veronica Burton said post game, I think internally, they truly believe they let their guard down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She didn't phrase it like that, but she said it's a learning lesson, a learning lesson in playing all 40 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So which has been Natalie's message all season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but to regret it like Natalie actually she'd shoulder the blame a lot, you know, I'm saying she'd incur there I see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, she's been doing that a lot this season anytime there's like a kind of disappointing loss or a very like close loss, she'll say it's like her, you know, lack of adjustments or maybe too slow to react accordingly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would kind of agree with her on this one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think probably kind of road certain lineups a little too long, you know, politics, I don't like momentum or like again, momentum in the sense like the excitement of the the valkyries runs, but not probably really paying attention to like the adjustments that the mystics were making in real time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Brian, we have a question in the chat from Valkyhoops saying, do you think we pull a trade at the deadline or do we do get out with our current roster?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, what's interesting about that question,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is I wonder about the situation exactly what the mystics have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you have more than one big and it really affects the way that the Valkyries have to defend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in some cases, I think they would probably be like, yeah, you have two bigs great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're not scared of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But two good bigs on the court at every time, that might be a different story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: look to make a trade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really see that many inner, you know, deadline trades for players that that move and and change the trajectory of teams, especially ones that are already in, at the top of the, of the, the playoff race.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the thing about having Konrado here now is that I just go off of vibes like he actually has intel so I feel like for me, like I, they have made one trade in their history of trades and it was heavily critiqued.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I feel like history probably shows that that they're not going to make a trade that if it's going to be anything it's going to be like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, pick up someone from, you know, who's available, like via the waiver or via, you know, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess Nadia Fingol's kind of position on the team is like, I could see like them waving her, I guess, and picking someone up, but so yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I don't see, they just historically, they haven't made many trades, so it leads me to believe that there won't be many trades.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, my gut says they're unlikely to make a trade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I feel comfortable saying like they've taken calls, I think I am allowed to share that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're doing their jobs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think a lot of teams are definitely, you know, just again, kind of canvassing the league, seeing what's out there seeing how other teams are feeling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know a lot of teams or a lot of fans will point to the teams that look like they're basically lottery bound, that's fair.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But in terms like I think what Ryan said is like if they were to make a change to the roster and probably be something on the waiver wire, I largely agree because I do believe Natalie truly believes when she says I have 14 players who could start at any you know on any given game right depending on the situation I truly think she believes that you know and I don't think she's wrong and maybe that's me being close to the situation but like I definitely see why

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[SPEAKER_02]: Everyone on the current roster, like inspires at least that level of confidence with the coaching staff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But realistically, like you could suit up 12 players, 12 players aren't going to be playing every game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know fans like to, you know, kind of say, like, oh, this player just won't this player get more minutes or give this player try.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like, you know, again, going back to where I said earlier, I just feel like this team,

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[SPEAKER_02]: They have a good idea of what combinations work.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I definitely understand why they want to continue riding with those line of combinations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now maybe certain lineups should be playing more together than others, but I feel like that's what they're going with.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when I hear like all these fans say, OK, this player could potentially be available.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why don't we get her like, are they realistically going to crack the top seven or eight, you know, player rotation, and even if you could make an argument, they

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[SPEAKER_02]: than any of the top eight, right, that you're willing to part with, you know, whatever future assets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know people will say the, hey, right, like they basically burned a first round pick anyway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's the harm?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I definitely understand that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think if they are going to make a move.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would have to be that unlikely scenario that Brian described, which is you'd have to make a move for someone who truly turns the needle or moves the needle like a superstar, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yes, you could make an argument there might be a few available out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I'm I'm very skeptical like you can contract situations and everything right and like you you have a better idea of their salary cap than anybody else here but my understanding is like there's not much left so like you can't just do like asset for player you actually have to include a player and that comes down to like okay so what player with the substantial amount that gets paid is like could could be moved and it's like is it kind of Charles but then it's like she's legitimately like

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[SPEAKER_01]: really good for this team and, you know, in the, in the unfortunate event, if one of the guards go down, like you need Kyla Charles, like she's an incredible defender and someone who, you know, started for this team for a couple of games and I had to, I had to pull it up, but that's starting line up with Kyla instead of Jesse is still a plus 30 on the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that, you know, Kyla fits the culture and what's needed and so but my point yeah my point is like the salary cap is tight and so that means you have to include a player and and who on this team like can get moved that I don't know I just I don't know who they even be thinking about parting ways with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so here's kind of where I'm going at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And where I started to think about it is Canrado wrote a piece on Laticia Amir here, with quotes from her teammates who are also now in the league from when she was in college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched her specifically in this game because I was like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when they play two bigs, how much, or when they play good bigs, I should say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in this case, there's three of them on Washington.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How much playing time does a me here get?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't really get a lot of run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they actually did some, you know, Janelle, Kayla stuff, or Janelle was the one who had to guard Lauren Bets in some scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you don't want to do that a lot, because you're wearing down one of your best offensive players

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they're not going to trust a me here in that spot, I kind of wonder if the move if they do make a move is to go after a big and

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know that the original idea this year was to have Kia Stokes be there, big off the bench, and she probably fits that better anyways, no matter whether the team is good or not, you would want her to play in spurts where she could just come in and block shots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, but again, I don't know if there's a big out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that I watched this past game and

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[SPEAKER_00]: She care Austin's gobbling rebounds and she's so quick and she gets out on the perimeter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she'd fit in perfect defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just drafted their future big in Lauren Betts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, they've really matched the salary for what Shakira was on the market for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they do want her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it becomes a little bit of like, you have to give something to get something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Would

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this podcast would not be the use they podcast anymore if she's not on the team, but would some would that be enticing because of what Brian said with the salaries you may have to do more than just the one on one, but there are opportunities there for them to really go after it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we know Joe Lake of mentality, you know, he probably is looking at the season going like, by year two, we're already

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[SPEAKER_00]: near the top of the race, what, you know, he's probably asking, oh, I'm like, what would take us, what would get us to be in the championship, you know, who what player is out there that we could get?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine those conversations are happening, whether it's realistic or not, probably not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But still, like I look at that five spot, and I go, that is the one spot that they can adjust and improve upon and move key-down, but then,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, me here, fan favorite, she would probably be the person who gets moved out of that position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, but yeah, that was just my thing when I was thinking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and Conrado just wrote about her, so I thought, Oh, get that, that's the kind of the, that, that, that got to got my mind going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm posting this in our live chat here if people have not read it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I appreciate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, I think, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, if they weren't to truly entertain the idea of making a trade, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I said this at the beginning of the season like there has not been a single team in WNB history that's brought back the exact same 12 players the next season, you know, and even just based on contracts, the same 12 this year will not be back next year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, like, again, it's great for fans to build an emotional attachment to their players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that's ideally what you want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as you just lie in your players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If I were to get in my opinion, I actually do think this team is very close to a championship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, and I would totally understand if they felt this is the year to make that all in move, because I mean, as great

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[SPEAKER_02]: as Minnesota and Las Vegas have been I mean obviously we're right there with them in the standings I don't know if you've seen that Minnesota and their last 10 games you know they have the 14th ranked defensive rating you know in the league so second to last basically each of them saying I mean like there's there's the abs and flows of a season I don't think any team

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[SPEAKER_02]: like in, you know, invincible or dominant, like they all have like their respective weaknesses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, you know, I'm not trying to say that like one move would make us significantly better than those teams, but like I think if you're like you said, if you're oh him and Ian and you're now like Nikosia, Joe Lake up, you look at it, you're like, we're a lot closer to them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, then we are to the rest of the pack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, now having said that, I mean, like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I, if you were in my opinion, I think they just need.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's definitely two things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If not one of these two things, they need a true.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like off the dribble shot creator, like someone who could totally create, like if need be in isolation, and then ideally a center who is an actual presence in the low post, like on both ends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: With the centers,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, if you look at the teams that are probably lottery bound, there are like some nice appealing centers out there, but again, I think if they were to bring in a potential like upgrade at center, it have to be someone who doesn't compromise the team's defensive integrity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, I don't know, I feel like they're probably, like I don't know this for a fact.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just feel that like, Joe Lake, I don't know how much, they're probably,

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[SPEAKER_02]: looking more closely at like those true like alpha scoring options.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because I feel like they think like, you know, kind of like the warriors, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like with Andrew Bogot, if we just have like this insanely good defense, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: We can kind of play four on five on offense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we

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[SPEAKER_02]: realistically, like I was actually having this conversation with Kiesto because I mean, she has creative ways of still involving yourself in the offense without really getting in the way, but actually helping and they use her a lot, you know, to initiate early in quarters, you know, it was kind of like, you know, with a series of dribble handoffs, user like in, you know, high horn sets and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, it'll it'll be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, this is probably all just kind of like, you know, wish casting more than forecasting, but I do think they're close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a funny comment because, uh, nose dollars says nine games, winning streak and just couldn't help yourselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We always talk about improvements for this team though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not, that's an anything different from how we talk about the warriors, how we talk about the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's, it's not about complaining, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's about going like, oh, they just moved up the timeline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Joe said it, a championship in, in, in five years,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what, we're warriors fans as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say the Valkyries somehow pulled out a title in year two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the first

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[SPEAKER_00]: place that Joe Lake up agrees to go and do an interview for so that he can talk about how ahead of the game they were in Bask in the NBA and the WMBA and what would he use the term light years or would he use another term to describe how ahead of the game there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's probably an unanswerable question, but that man would he'd be like, I have the blueprint and how to do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are not paying attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay locally, I think he'll give it to call a call me first.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be my guess.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That would be my guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You knew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Calcami who coined the term, but the handwritten five, by the way, which was a good one, by the way, yeah, I liked it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm looking at the comments, but again, right, like that's the thing is it's not I'm with Garrett, it's not like we're trying to say that like, oh, the nine game winning streak was full's gold or that like we're only trying to dwell on, you know, losses or setbacks and I don't even think this is a setback.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think when you really look at it and you look at the landscape of the league.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like it's a you can't take these opportunities for granted and if you really are that close I just I understand if they think there is a move like if they really believe there's a move out there that can you know put them just one tier higher or solidify them in that top tier then I get it I get it but no I mean as like Brian I were saying I don't think they're just gonna make a move for the sake of making a move yeah you know because even though some fans may roll their eyes

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[SPEAKER_02]: The connectivity is very real, like watching this team on a daily basis, like, wow, like they really are on the same page, like they really do get each other.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So no, they're not just going to blow that up or mess up with that chemistry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just to have a flash your name on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Brian and I talked about this last week where Natalie made it a point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to talk about how they came together on the road trip and just got closer and closer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, she does that because that's what she believes in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, she you want the tenth person to feel included.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The 12th person and you know, there's going to be a basketball world cup coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there'll be more people who will get minutes at some point in the future

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[SPEAKER_00]: them to feel like yeah I'm a part of this thing and that is you know that was the focus of that road trip was she was she was out in the media talking about it like that and yeah you you

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[SPEAKER_00]: they could make a trade and they could end up trading some of those people and that's just the business of basketball, but if they don't make a trade, you rely on the community and how close you are as a team because you're going to need it as the season goes on and you know they've had very, very great, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: health and and luck when it comes to that stuff and it may not always be like that they may have to have so they may have they may be dealing with other things in the second half where you're like okay next next woman up like we're ready like we've been waiting for this opportunity so stuff like that where yeah I'm with you okay let's move

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move to what I had asked you guys to prepare just one thing, which is, what was your favorite moment of the first half?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't have to be like a big thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just has to be something slightly memorable, something that you remember kind of being super fired up for when it happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how we'll kind of reflect on the first half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the next show that we do, we'll kind of look ahead more towards the second half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, Brian, do you have one that comes to top of your mind?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, mine so biased.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're the use they pod.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when she got thrown in there second half against the fever like that was just like so electric like that whole time I was just pumped That you know that was going to be mine, too, but I did sort of think like I wonder if that's Brian's It was I mean, it was really

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[SPEAKER_00]: the step back on Caitlyn, which Toronto, when Canrado interviewed you stay, you know, tried to get her to comment about, but you stay, you know, didn't really name names there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it then it turned into a conversation about what her post three point celebration was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like that moment of her step and back on Caitlyn, that was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was one of my favorite ones for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Canrado, what about you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the one that stands out?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, it's very recent, but probably like Katelyn Chen's mid-air reverse 360 layout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was an animal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was against the fever too, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we're not trying to pick on the fever, you know, but again, that was last game of the road trip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think the reason why it's become like a favorite moment for me is when Natalie was asked

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, um, one of my, uh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Valk's media colleagues, Ashmer Prasad, the way I think she had kind of phrased the question, is like, you know, had you seen like this level of improvement in Caitlyn, where she can make, like it's seemingly make, you know, like crazy or insane layups, but make it like look effortless.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Natalie is just like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: what's so insane, you know, like what's so crazy about it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she's like, what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then like the entire media room was just like, this is incredibly acrobatic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like players just don't do this, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she goes, no, like Caitlyn's athletic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, what's wrong with you guys?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're like, I still have like, we're all idiots, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that again, this is something that, like, you know, Natalie supposedly thinks is normal for Caitlyn.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that just kind of makes the lore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: of Caitlyn's second year leap, even more, you know, fun and and special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was going to be another one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now I have to come up with a third, but I do have third.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you guys see when a Valerie, my Valerie, I was a color Valerie working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Veronica and Caitlyn were doing media together and Veronica made some comment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: about Caitlyn and kind of did like a, you know, kind of like for for for a short as she is or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Caitlyn is just kind of going and she says, and she just kind of gives her this look like I was really funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, that's the stuff that you kind of like when you watch a team from, you know, every game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, mine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The beginning of this winning streak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They played the Atlanta dream.

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[SPEAKER_00]: three times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the liberty wants out of four games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they won all four of those games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, when we talk about whether the team is real or not real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They could lose to the aces and the links forever for the rest of the season and that just might be the case to to be the team below the two best teams and the league like whatever like that this is that that that just happened sometimes, but I think in my mind when they.

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[SPEAKER_00]: beat the dream and then they beat the liberty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, like this is not gimmick, like this is actually real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a real basketball team who can play with anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then then again, it goes back to kind of my comment about whether or not they they trade for a big because

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[SPEAKER_00]: No one's stop in Asia, but if you could throw another body at her to give her a hesitation, you know, maybe you're thinking that far in advance for, you know, for the playoffs, that could be something, but other otherwise, like the way that they've been able to roll with who they have, uh, just has been impressive, like to beat to that, like that set of games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was to kick off a nine nine games in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was just the beginning of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that's my favorite memory.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's finish up here and we'll talk a little bit about the all-star break at this thought and Brian and I talked about this last year around the same exact time and I'm still really befuddled at how the WNBA handles this weekend because the all-star shootout the three point shootout

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[SPEAKER_00]: The most famous player in the league, her game is shooting threes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, she may not want to be part of the three point shoot out the same reason that LeBron never wanted to be part of the don't contest, because the story is bigger if you don't win than if you do win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I would just be like, man, like, we have this great opportunity, like if you're like this event, you know, like Netflix new Caitlin was shooting at the three point shoot out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they might have wanted a piece of this event, kind of like they did with the home run derby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just find it so weird that there's no pressure to put Caitlin in this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no pressure to get Sabrina back in this thing, who's had some really famous ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you see the quotes for Sabrina saying, I didn't really get invited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may have talked to my agent, but they didn't talk to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the WMBA saying, well, this is kind of how we do things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like why isn't this thing organized?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like why isn't this thing looked at as like, hey, I know we only have two events.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have a don't contest like the NBA does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we have these really famous shooters as some of the best players in the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's build this event so we could actually maximize the appeal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's kick Katelyn on the court, like let's make it worth her while to get out there and shoot and and get a giant rating for this event, it just seems for a marketing perspective and operation standpoint, I'm just I've always I always feel like I'm disappointed in how they are unable to take advantage of opportunities and I don't know, I'm just so bomb that Friday, even though we're going to talk about Janelle, the reason to watch for us is is that Janella shooting, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Brian, do you think like this thing should be bigger than it is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like why is it just kind of an afterthought for this weekend?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no clue, like I just, you know, seeing the report of the WMBA invited Caitlin, Sabrina and Caleb McBride, and then to see Sabrina and Caleb McBride basically say that's not true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe there's something there with Caitlin too, but like I remember Caitlin's first year, she declined doing it because she wanted to do her first three point competition in Indiana for year two, and then what she was too injured, I think, to probably participate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I don't think she's ducking it by any means,

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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe but I don't I don't think she's ducking it um so I don't I'm not entirely sure how the WMBA dropped the ball on this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's having a really good year, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This would be a great year for her to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's having an excellent year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I can't imagine she's, they think that she's going to get booed in anyway in Chicago, like she's still the most famous player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder, like, how long, how far an advance do the MBA kind of reveal their participants?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because this felt like there was like a week before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like it's pretty last minute in the MBA too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, this is definitely last minute.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you look at fans who are extremely impatient, they're like, you know, this was supposedly an improvement, you know, from years past.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's really, it really is perplexing as to why

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[SPEAKER_02]: why there seems to be a lack of direct communication.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I think in 2026, you really have no excuse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like you can't find a way to reach out directly to any of those players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All three of them, Katelyn Clark, Sabrina, Katelyn McBride.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess we don't know for sure whether or not Katelyn was officially invited.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think there was an official report or at least clap back the way Sabrina and Katelyn McBride did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's weird, it's really weird because, you know, the kind of, again, we're not trying to

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[SPEAKER_02]: compare it to the NBA, but in these types of all star settings, whether it's Adobe NBA, NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you're already named in all star, you're probably like they're more encouraged to invite you to play or participate in one of those contests since you're already there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that at least Caitlin and Sabrina, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or Sabrina's not, yeah, she made the all star team, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got to imagine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've not entirely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll look it up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll look it up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know Kayla did not make the all-star team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I'm just saying like, you know, usually those are the players who get invited first because if you're already present, then all the more, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the fact that make no mistake, I'm not saying that the other players that were invited to participate aren't deserving.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They absolutely are, but the fact that none of them were named all stars and they weren't scheduled to participate in any other

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[SPEAKER_02]: like, you know, all star activity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, okay, you would have thought that those players would have gotten invited first, but we'll see, I mean, again, I do think with just personally with the roster or the lineup of participants for the contest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think that they're all great, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they're probably gonna put on a great show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, there's that, but it is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really puzzling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, again, if there's reasons to kind of shake your head and disappointment about Kathy Engelberg's reign as commissioner, it's like things like this, like why does it make, why does it seem like they make things more difficult than they have to be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sabrina Yinescu, not in the All-Star game, her game is time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK. Yeah, you know what's also interesting is this game is in Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not a Chicago player on the roster,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then when you get to the, uh, the events, um, there is no Chicago player, at least listed on the WMBA page for the shooting stars or the three point shoot out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of weird, like you would, you would think that they would have, I don't know who that never created and get her, then she would probably or if the Sydney Taylor was playing a full season, but they don't really have it obvious candidate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you would just think though that you would think that you would nominate somebody to kind of be the host of the thing and it would be around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But all right, let's let's talk about this three point shoot out because Janelle is in it and I guess my first question for you both is if we if we could bet money on it if we could do a prop bet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes or no, it does Janelle finish her racks in the allotted time would be my full bet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say no, I think it's just her shot form.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just takes a little bit of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then she, just the whole motion of her shot form, and then go get another ball to shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just, and if she speeds it up, then I don't think it's going to be as, you know, I haven't, I haven't stopped watched.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How long her shot form takes?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just looks like there's a lot of motions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just going to, I'm going to go with the no on that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to agree with you or at least I'll say that she gets to the end and she brushes her last two, just so she gets them all up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But another question I have is is she going to like just instinctively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like pump fake and then step back and shoot one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she's instinctively just like this is what I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is where most comfortable is I got a side step which she did to area if in a couple times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She even got fouled, you know, the side step three, like maybe that's the new event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just figure out how to get a side step in or maybe you get hands in the face or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Janelle would win that event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, what do you think, Colorado,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's going to do well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she's going to do well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I made the same joke to about, you know, she'll probably do better if she had like a hand in her face.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, get Gabby out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, but.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I said this the other day, I think I said it to you guys too, maybe like when we weren't recording, but like Magnum's like, I'm not trying to say that she is anywhere near the same type of shooter as Steph Curry, but Steph does change up his

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[SPEAKER_02]: his release when he does a three point contest compared to what you would see in game, you know, and Chanel, I mean, I don't know, when I watch her in practice and during shoot around, not pre-game warm-ups, but shoot around, it's like early in the morning when it's more open and you have time to legitimately shoot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, when it's like empty like that and no defender,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Her release is quicker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like, and yeah, yeah, I mean, to be fair though, they have, you know, obviously, you know, assisting coaches or practice players, like feeding her the ball, as opposed to her picking them off the rack.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that is definitely an adjustment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: She definitely use she likes the clothes out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She likes defenders closing out on her to stabilize herself because she has such a great core string, but I mean she does have the ability to get a quick release off at least like when you're just seeing it like it in open gym.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think she'll do well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think she'll be able to do well, at least with the guards to like the clock and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, we'll see when I'm not necessarily predicting that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think she'll probably do a little bit better than maybe we kind of anticipate or expect given what we see about her, like in game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who are you taking?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I know who you're taking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know who he's taking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to be taking the same person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who are you taking, Conrado?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Which is why I think the league is okay that Sabrina and Caitlyn aren't participating because even if they did, I'd probably still pick 35, AZ foot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yep, that's what I'm going with too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I think's gonna win it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think AZ's probably going to win too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be really fun just from an entertainment standpoint

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Marina Mabri gets far down, you know she's going to be talking trash, she's going to be so so she's going to show her personality a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if she doesn't win, maybe even get frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, talk about somebody who has cooked in a game this year to the level that nobody else has in a single game, Marina Mabri.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be, that would be unfinal too for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Bridget Carlton too like couldn't I think it's those three those are the three that I'm I feel like has the best shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the odds look like, but those I imagine would be the top three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And from the shooting star standpoint, it sounds like Elena Deladon and Lauren Jackson are going to come out and be a part of that event, which will be fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, our good friend, Flahjay, is supposed to be part of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, babe, sort of former velcroy, yeah, no Chicago sky, like, well, I don't know, no, not at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's, let's quick, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are so many like sky legends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: they're like such a storied organization like I felt like that would have been easy like I mean I can't be presumptuous.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what some like the former players are doing if they have interest but like you got to imagine they'll be celebrated in some way though, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm sure like okay, I can't say I'm sure but I would not be surprised like if Ali Kigley is

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, players like that are honored, um, because they still have like, you know, ties to the Chicago Sky franchise, like they still show up for those, um, you know, past team events and everything like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, but as well as like, oh, I thought they could have had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like one former sky player come out and then, you know, like like Brian said, shoot with Cindy Taylor or whatever, you want to use Courtney Vander's loop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's healthy now, you know?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She herself is already a sky legend, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Angel Reese will just come out and be like, yay, see you with y'all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I don't really care about the ulcer game too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is team coop against team spoon and, you know, page and Caitlin are on opposite sides.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't imagine we're going to get a fantastic defensive matchup here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think like if I were, if I were

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of in charge of this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be really hard to say, hey, you all have to play a little bit harder knowing that the NBA game is a force these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would try and go like, this is our opportunity to really have a good basketball game because we want to be lumped in with the men's all-star game and how negative the discourses around that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we should have a really good basketball game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is our opportunity to show the best players in this in this different format.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you do it, it would be fantastic if you got a game similar to the one that we saw a couple of years ago when the Olympic team had to face the rest of the y'all starts because that was incredible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is one of the, you know, this is just a great basketball game, like whatever style of basketball you like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just competitive and the non Olympic team won, which made it even more fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't blame them if this game is not good though, because there is a, like, the men's game has basically laid the ground for it to not be that competitive of a game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, no, I was thinking about too, like I had that same thought about, you know, when they did that with the Olympic team, like the Olympic team versus the all stars and kind of allowed for more like all star participants, but, you know, it's it's weird because I don't know how they would feel about it, doing that again this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just because again, right, you have

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just a weird schedule, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're going to come back next week, play for like three and a half weeks, then they have another like a longer break, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if that really factored in where maybe like players, some players were like, they're just not interested in doing that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't really want to play competitive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They need to actually use this week to really rest and kind of recuperate, get themselves ready,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just feel like there are so many factors where I think every team is going to approach it differently or perhaps every player has a approach differently to see what's best for them in terms of kind of keeping themselves in playing shape and kind of keeping themselves mentally focused.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So again, I don't know if that would factor in their decision of how hard they want to play in an all-star game exhibition.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it is, it's just again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: for another thing that maybe they don't really want to have to consider, but it is, you know, and you know, money has worked in unrivaled, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they've actually given out pretty good sums of money for the events that they want to promote that one-on-one tournament that they do and such.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I feel like it would work here now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The players are making the most money that they've ever made before, which is cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kudos to them, but it's not like they're making as much money as a lot of the men's athletes and these big team sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you were to be able to, you know, put up a little bit more,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they would play harder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I but I don't I also don't know if that would work sometimes that doesn't work because they were second well it doesn't really matter if we still will still get money even if we lose so who cares and they're worried about the second half and the health and and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the next game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So after the All Star Break, the Valkers are back Wednesday against Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Phoenix is, I think in the bottom for the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they've at least they've won their last two games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're, they're something there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the, so the Valkers will come back Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will figure out what the best day is to record again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A Thursday has been working out for us lately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So so maybe that will be the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is, they play through August 30th and then they have like two and a half weeks off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's like, it's almost like a sprint to get to that time frame and then the last four games of the season is probably really about just making sure everything is all good for the playoffs and you get your camaraderie back and everything like that's a tough thing that, you know, to end the season like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be something that we'll keep an eye on too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, any last words for either of you gentlemen, no, no, I think it will be interesting to see, you know, how the valves come out after the all star break, just because.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There are, I would say it's still a fairly favorable schedule.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like that, you come out, there's some nice winnable games, and then the games that they have at home, they're against teams that are like directly around them in the standing, so you could either, again, close the gap, IE on Minnesota, or, you know, create a little separation on teams like say, like Dallas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Mercury tempo tempo right at the gate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It did be favorable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do play Dallas thereafter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it sparks sky, Dallas again, links sky, links, sun, liberty, fire, fire, storm, fire, sparks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a favorable schedule, especially in the season, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't see the ACEs anymore because you've already played them three times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because they are, uh, they are the bookie men, the bookie women.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Brian and I are going to see the Odyssey tonight in a 70 millimeter so that we we're looking forward to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I like it when we talk movies, but during the season, we mostly talk hope, I think during the off season when we were just talking CBA, I was always like, hey, what movies if you watch it recently, but, but yeah, so the Odyssey, I've already seen it, but I will see it in a 70 millimeters my favorite way to watch these movies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's one interesting

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[SPEAKER_01]: One interesting thing I'll say is so next week right we have the game against the Mercury and in the second game after all Starbreak is on the Trade Deadline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I imagine we probably do an episode after they come back on Wednesday and then that'll be in between like when the Trade Deadline is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that'll probably be something we talk about and I also want to say I know Konraddo has spoken to him in person but from from us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, uh, friend of the show and former guest on the podcast, Nathan Cannellow is moving to Connecticut to cover men's and women's Yukon whoops, so congrats to Nathan and thanks for thanks for being a friend of the show man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says he has a computer and a camera like if if we go, hey, what's your what your Valks takes over there out and stores Connecticut like maybe we can still bring them back to say hello.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to say hello to the Valkry's Wednesday folks right like he's got to he's still he still I feel like he's still like a close enough to to say what's up to so but yeah great good luck to him I was I was so jazz to see that because when you have the opportunity to

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[SPEAKER_00]: To take a bet on yourself, like that's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like who moves away from the Bay Area, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is like a, it has to be a great opportunity to move out of this area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So good luck to him and best wishes and we'll keep following his stuff for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, especially when we have to talk about like Colorado's favorite subject, which is the draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, there's like three U-Con players we can talk about and then you bring on Nathan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, anything else you want to plug Konrad before we get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, uh, just again, you can follow or find all my written Valqueries coverage at the podium finish.net.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, looking to have a piece about the stay ready group out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, hopefully tomorrow, if not, sometime this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then another piece about you stay your cheat day as parents.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Kia Stokes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because I asked her some thoughts about her performance to see her, especially defensively.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I really appreciate her candor, because yeah, she's had a good season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back shortly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back some some time around probably after the first game back from the break, but one of the things that we also want to do is we want to come back a little bit more frequently because we have three people who can hold down the fort.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It helps a lot schedule wise so we'll try and bring back the conversations a little bit more frequently, but for now.