Giants' Second-Half Wish List, Buster Posey's Media Silence & Kilen/Jordan Futures Game Preview | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are back with Thompson to Clark, Brad was gone last week, so welcome back, Brad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a Jared Sider from baseball perspective on, and we talked a lot about the draft and free agency and busster and Tony and all the stuff going on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you did not listen to that episode, go ahead and check that out from last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Brad, you didn't get to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the fiasco that happened when Buster Posi was like, hey, I'm going to call a press conference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to tell these journalists that I'm not speaking on this matter and they are going to listen to what I say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is going to be a great press conference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the opposite of that actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we don't really have to rehash it necessarily, but I kind of wanted

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[SPEAKER_00]: to talk about it from like a crisis resolution kind of perspective like I do wonder how Buster feels about essentially being a spokesperson when it's not always positive information.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if things are going well, I think he understands how to like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: talk to like some of the radio guys and talk to some of the broadcasters and they can have really good baseball conversations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when it's kind of outside that realm of baseball, this is the first opportunity we've really seen him have a chance to lead the team in that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about that aspect of his job?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's kind of crazy because

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[SPEAKER_01]: the last season in half since he's been in charge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There hasn't been any like positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, let's have a press conference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about all the good stuff that's happening on the field or off the field because none of it's been good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, last year off the field, and it wasn't really much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing was happening off the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This year it seems like off the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's either Vitalo saying something or the players demonstrating in some way shape or form, and so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what to think because I haven't seen the positive aspect of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a raw raw guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a guy who's going to come out there and say, look at us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're doing great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they're doing good, he's probably just going to say, hello.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're just looking to keep it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, whatever we can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Buster has never been Mr.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Personality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does Manassian finally step in and start doing some of these pressers because I've heard him in interviews.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's at least got a little bit of personality and he kind of seems like he wants to be there and wants to answer questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Buster doesn't seem like I mean he calls the press conference to say he's not going to talk about stuff and then they ask him about devours and even the situation with devours waving off the pinch runner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other night and even then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: bus really didn't that much to say about that either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he going to play tonight?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll have to ask Tony.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, why the press conference just to put your face out there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it was a wanted thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think everybody wanted to hear what he had to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody had to say nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just kind of like, okay, the decision to drag this thing out even further as I guess a choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, what are you going to do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to, you can't keep asking him because he's already told you he's not going to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then, you know, a couple days later, Major League Baseball throws it back in the Giants faces and says, your communication sucks, I think it was, it might have been later that day, it was like, yeah, it was like really, really close to after that press come maybe the next day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was in Vegas, so I had a couple drinks at the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have everything in this place together for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't drinks at the pool watching the World Cup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was doing in Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so it majorly baseball comes out and says, hey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they didn't have to wear the hats, yeah, but they chose to wear the hats and demonstrate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I don't know if the guys even knew that they had that choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'd like to hear somebody ask them the players, that did you know you had the choice?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Make this, I'm not saying make it a bigger thing, but get to the bottom of it because it's in the news, the DOJ is now investigating for, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: religious persecution and it's just the whole thing's just kind of a mess get to the bottom of it I'll ever the players to come on to say hey we had no idea that we could just not wear the hats because we probably would have gone that route uh what you get is fine it don't actually helps us as fans pick out the guys who are like okay

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[SPEAKER_01]: these guys are, you know, they're doing what they're doing so we can either choose to root for them or not and root for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's our choice as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a choice in this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, you know, I've chosen not to necessarily root for those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love for those guys to not not be horrible because they play for the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want them to play well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also choose not to like, you know what, if they don't get resigned, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the number of pitching well anyways, after that whole situation, they're all pitching like garbage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only guy who's pitching well right now is web and finally Trevor McDonald.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember Ray has actually turning into forum too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Robbie Ray is turning into form.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, you know, some guys are starting to pitch well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The wood the bullpen guys who who demonstrated, they're just not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just, again, I was saying in our chat yesterday,

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think they're they're hoping nice on any other teams in the major leaks right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, we are recording this on Thursday hour normal Monday slot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have stuff going on for the next about month and a half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to miss our normal Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that just means that we're going to figure out what the best day during the week is to record today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an off day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a day game on Wednesday and we're thinking about recording right after that game is over to kind of do a little bit of like a game recap and then talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that this show will kind of bounce around a little bit for the next month and a half, but we'll try and find some nice pockets to talk about stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the thing about that press conference that I was really surprised is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless Buster was forced to have it and unprepared, like he, and we'll talk about the Vatelo thing because I think there's definitely a communication aspect of his management style that is not working because we had another communication gap with Tyler Molly and his pitch count and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, they're just, they're just seems to be not great communication throughout the organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So either Buster was told that he kind of had to go out there and he wanted to turn it into something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he thought the power of his personality, you know, him being the giant that all the fans love and adore, maybe he thought that he would be seeing a little

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just being unprepared for the questions was kind of weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's got to be someone in the giant's organization, who's like, hey, Buster, here are all the questions that you're more than likely going to be asked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's this, how the, the team sees this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can, but he should have known that was the question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of those questions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the devil's one too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he said, the devil's question, because it had just happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he seemed wholly unprepared to answer that question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was not really definitive on anything other than, you know, pretty much everybody's on the table except for Logan Web.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was, yeah, that was the patented line there for him and maybe that's the only one he rehearsed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think like, man, this should have been a giant wakeup call for him that I'm sure his bosses think that he's doing a great job because the giants are on pace to sell more tickets this year with the losing team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then they did last year and last year they bounced back from, you know, from some, you know, middle of the road for the giants attendance figures.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So his boss probably think like, hey, like, you know, we may not be competing with the Dodgers, but we're selling tickets, the fans are still coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So be it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then boom, you get hit with kind of this wave of, you know, and I don't know how big this wave of the fans are as far as being frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I see a lot of it, but it's also in places like Reddit or past places like Twitter, which is not the overall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: B.O.K.

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[SPEAKER_00]: with how things are being managed, but I don't see this as the end all B.O.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see this as like, oh man, the ship is down, but I do see it as like they should take this as a sign, because with baseball, this team has been here for what 70 years now or something, maybe 60 something years, but like so it's going to take

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[SPEAKER_00]: a long time for something to fall out and for the team to fall out of favor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just too much stuff here in San Francisco and the Bay Area as far as giants concerned, but like I would look at this is like, okay, this is kind of a sign that if we don't do things in the right manner, there could be an aspect of the fan base that gets frustrated with us and and stops coming, I don't think it's going to fall out in a day, but you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could they could see it next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They could see it, you know, maybe at the end of this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would just be careful about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, we said on this show that we wish Buster would kind of get out ahead of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did not he did not apologize.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did the organization kind of apologize a little bit Larry bear apologized.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like reactive so doesn't feel it feels like they were forced to do so in a way, it doesn't feel proactive or organic, but I would just learn from this and go, okay, like we have to learn how to manage what I would call a crisis like this is a crisis like if this was our your job in my job and something happened, this is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, website went down like what like, if the website goes down, we're not making money like what's going on here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace out, oh, Fred, you know, everything's bread like, let's get on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that happened to the giants and Buster Posey and Larry Bear in the ownership was like, yeah, we're good until this weirdo press conference that happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just, you know, just something I would like to see them get ahead out of next time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I mean, to be clear, honestly, like, we don't like this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like what's happened, what we're seeing out of Buster Posey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're, you know, it's a total bummer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it does do, you know, I'm being PG, obviously, but it's a total bummer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we loved Buster the player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know Buster of the person because he didn't say a whole lot during his playing days, but we knew who he was as a player and we knew he was going to carry the team and the pitching staff and clutch in certain situations and then his whole comeback in 2021 and the player he was, then the work he put in and the year he took off because of COVID, it's just amazing, amazing stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying that Buster, now we're finding out Buster, the person is not the one we thought he was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just more like I think maybe Buster took on a position, a job that he just wasn't quite ready for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he saw what Farhan was doing, maybe he saw from the inside and thought, you know what, I can work with players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can get a manager in there who can rally the troops and I can kind of sit back and put players in those positions and let the manager take care of things and let the coaching staff take care of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we just we just weren't sure how it would go for him if things went south and things are

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[SPEAKER_01]: are going south in multiple directions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I say that and the team was 12 and 14 in June.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This keep that in mind, which is, I saw that stat yesterday in a blue my mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Would you have thought this team was 12 and 14 in June?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the thing that we said when June started was, hey, can we have a winning month?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they got close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got pretty close, which means

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[SPEAKER_00]: were like begging for 500 baseball and they are two games under 500 and to us that's almost like successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how bad this season is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I easily would have thought, I mean 12 and 14, I would have thought 10 and 16 maybe 9 and 17 but 12 and 14 and we're with an striking distance,

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[SPEAKER_01]: of being a 500 club if we would have, if we wouldn't have not blown one of our six leads that we blew in June probably and I don't have that exact number but still you know what I mean you see when I'm getting that 12 and 14 is not terrible all things considered they could have been five games over 500 probably if we had a bullpen so I mean the bullpen's a whole other story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all the trade deadline stuff is still something, you know, when is the trade deadline end of July?

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[SPEAKER_00]: August third.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, still this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually further.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's actually for a couple of days in August.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we said a month for the trade deadline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know when the giants will actually make some deals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they will wait until the end because that'll be when they have the best leverage for some of these teams who are figuring out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some of these scenes are put in the deadline at probably July 31 to determine if they're still in it or not, yeah, and then we'll have the all star game coming up in the future's game and the MLB draft and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there will be stuff happening during those timeframes, but until then we just have a normal games that

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[SPEAKER_00]: the gentle play decently against the A's and then they can only take one out of nine against the diamond backs and just this kind of ridiculous we're going into Colorado this weekend so anything goes right I mean that's you know that's not we lost two out of three in Colorado last time so

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[SPEAKER_00]: So before we get to the major top, the major topic is going to be kind of like, what do we want to see in the second half of the season knowing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: that this season is done for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not, they're not going to really have a chance to make the play off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in lieu of that, what do we want to see them do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll get to that after this next topic, which is just about the young kids, we got Dakota Jordan and Gavin Kielin, Kylin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we figured out that pronunciation yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to be in the future's game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and there they will be on display in that game which is pretty cool and I started to think like you know you start to think when you get guys there at that level

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're making the future game, futures game, you're kind of like, oh, how long until we may see them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those, those two guys specifically are probably minimum two years away from being on the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if someone like Bo Davidson, who's only in AA and it's quite possible that they will move him up to AAA soon because he's got 18 jacks or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe he'll see the roster by the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, the thing that surprised me about Kielin, he came out of college, and yet, you know, this is only his real first season, but I guess you just don't explode prospects through the miners like they used to, like, and you know, maybe he's not that level of prospect, but, you know, we've always talked about, I mean, with this podcast's named after.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How long will Clark stay in the miners?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not very long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Robbie Thompson comes at a double lay straight to spring training and makes the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have loved to see, you know, killing possibly up, but, you know, they're pushing him slowly and rightfully so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Still, he's in high A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not like he's in San Jose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's in the higher level of able.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he'll probably be at risk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got 322 minor league bats, but 283 of those are this year, so, you know, just not a lot, just not a lot of experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he'll probably be at Richmond this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he, at the end of next year, he's up to AAA and then, you know, then you're starting to think about the possibility of him making a big league team and then, you know, I think they drafted him as a short stop and he's, he's probably going to be a second base one would be my guess and the giants are going to be a need of a young player to play that position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that will be nice, but it's just like you see these guys, you're like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, they're still like two years away, like we got to wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll wait quite a bit of a time because there's not many prospects up in Triple A.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know who you're kind of like thinking of who are knocking on the door, but I don't be fun to see those guys playing that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll be a nice little showcase for the Giants Farm System.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And hopefully with the draft up coming, they'll get another really typical top guy and we'll look nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that we got some of those guys coming from from further down below like Hernandez and Gonzalez and Johnny level and in those guys,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're even lower, but I think over the next couple of years, if we're still doing this show, they're going to be a lot of fun to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the interesting thing too is we are just rich with infielders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they do pick another infielder in this draft, you've got to start looking at okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: who's going to get dealt because you're going to need at some point you're going to need to deal some of these infielders for pitching prospects for bullpen prospects for guys who throw a hard, you know, guys who can jump in there and be part of this bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because you, it, both in guys right now are, they cost a lot of money in free agency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think the giants want to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to spend money on arms, starters or relievers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be interesting to see what the philosophy is in this off-season with that, especially with the draft coming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, are you going to pick another infielder?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or are you going to pick the guy who's the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: starting pitcher, you know, number four prospect again, Jackson Flora.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Jackson Flora.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So are you are you going to pick Jackson Flora and then you and then you kind of put minds at ease at that point and like okay, we have all these infillers, but now we got that pitching prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got that, you know, the Paul skeins type of pitching prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know, it's going to be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After the draft, I think we're going to see a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the draft comes up that is all star week, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually end of July or is it in June?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good, you know, I'm in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The draft, I think the day after the all star game, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, uh, July, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are in July, oh my goodness, we are in July.

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[SPEAKER_01]: July 11th through the 12th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we are only nine days away from the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it, so is that the day before the All-Star game?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's during MLB All-Star Week, the 11th and 12th is July 11th and 12th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Saturday Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the weekend home run derby in the All-Star game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be in Tahoe during that week, but I'll definitely, I like to check that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they are doing away with the clock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think they're going just pitches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you keep hitting the wall out, then you get more pitches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you get a, okay, mask some of them amount of pitches and you can keep going if you keep hitting jacks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now let's talk about our topic that we were that we'd kind of brainstormed over the last couple of days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do we want to see for the rest of the season?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll go first because this is a pretty easy one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You may have had this on your list as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's going to be some of this is that Bryce Eldridge has never played this much in his life as far as like every day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got to make sure that he doesn't wear himself out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's got to be in the lineup, like 90% of these games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he cannot sit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care if it's against the lefty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're not worried about winning these games necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're worried about

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[SPEAKER_00]: getting Bryce the reps that he needs to get, that all of those hours in the cage are great, but when you get those live reps, that's how he's gonna be a better hitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think some of this, and this is gonna be an interesting thing, if they do, I would imagine that they don't do this because they don't want to deal with it, but I think they need to rest devours, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He plays every day, which is great,

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[SPEAKER_00]: he's he looks like he needs days off with some of these swing sometimes and I would love to see Bryce be able to play first base not have to worry about devours and just let devours sit sit and not play and just tell you got a mental day off brother you know the where this is kind of a lost season we want to we're preparing for next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, how he takes that, I don't know, but Tony Vatello said, you know, he and divers have the relationship of the two guys from the town, you know, did you see that quote that he had?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the, have you seen the town?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a high snow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a really fun heist movie, and basically the scene that he's talking about is these two guys are so close as friends that one of them

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[SPEAKER_00]: wanted the other two basically commit crime and that they were so close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other guys like, you know, I'm in just like tell me which card to get in or I forget the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he used that with devours as if to say that's how close they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I know it was just his own personality of pop culture, whatever, and try to get a lot of the beat writers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they are that close, he may have to have some conversations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, man, you know, you're going to sit today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to just let Bryce play and we want somebody else to de-age, you know, maybe it's a left handed picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, Bryce is playing first and then we want, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Barracoto to de-age or something and it because I think I think you could use it, man Like he's not he's been so I guess you can't even call it in consistent because he's been very consistent at being bad and then he'll have these

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[SPEAKER_00]: weeks where it seems like he's hitting a hell out of the baseball and then it's like another three weeks of him just being bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think he needs some time because what it also tells him is that no matter how much you're getting paid,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you have to produce in order to stay in this lineup, man, like you can't, you know, we're not just giving you these because, you know, we're worried that you're going to get frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that, that is something that they're going to have to be very careful about because whenever, you know, the folks in Boston tried to make changes in such he was pretty, he was pretty frustrated himself so that that's a, that's a delicate dance there if they do go that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I could see that happening, but I could also see Deborah's one to fight him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just go, just go hands.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you said, you're going to sit, you know, one out of every four games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When the last time we've seen a player in a manager, just throw blows at each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but there's always that fantastic clip of Jimmy Leeland yelling at Barry Bonds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh-huh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's always a good one to pull up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No this, but lots of yelling and probably a lot of cigarette smoke breath.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Billy Martin and Rich Jackson, all those good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what I want to see and I know a lot of people see say the same thing I've seen this over, you know social media and stuff, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: do something with a bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bring guys up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care who it is at this point because nobody in the bullpen right now is doing it for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Spencer Bivins is just hanging out in AAA and we know he's got experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did I think in July, early July, I would be saying, I want to see Spencer Biffin's open.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so, I don't, I couldn't have predicted that one at the beginning of the year, but Blade Tidwell is hanging out down there and we bring him up, Carson Wizzin Hunt is probably ready to come back up and pitch for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Fomer, he's another guy, but I think he is kind of on the shelf right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going through the list of guys in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen enough Tristan back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't need to see any more Tristan back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get guys off of waivers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get guys somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really care where it is at this point, but just dig in and take a look at the waiver wire and grab bold pen guys, give them a shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what you do with malleot this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what you do with houses at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you release them, if you trade them for cash considerations, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's time to start just kind of introducing guys and giving them auditions for next year because if we're not going to spend money on bullpen pieces, going forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it hurts a lot to see, you know, Tyler Rodgers doing so fantastic in Toronto and and the guy Miles, who was our honor roster, but he was, he was unprotected and rule five draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing fantastic in Toronto as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they basically have the bullpen that we should have at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but again, the trade was made last year because it had to be done and to tie the rock Rodgers was going to be a free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But but just watching the guys that we have now when they come in, especially the Eric Miller last night, I'm talking about the the Wednesday night game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He came, he could not throw strikes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and it was painful to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Slider in the dirt,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see guys coming in throw strikes and get out, put the ball on play, make the defense work, we have a good defense, we have guys that can make plays, let's let that happen and so I think at this point that's what I'd like to see just basically some bullpen auditions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you and that was also part of my list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned,

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[SPEAKER_00]: some of the guys that I was looking at I also looked at and you know who knows really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you trade molly you probably can't trade house or even though houses not even really in the rotation I imagine if you do make some moves he may end up back in the rotation at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whizz and hunt you know the unfortunate thing about whizz and hunt is he's kind of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: going through this weird malaise right now at AAA where he's just walking more guys than he's striking out and he's not able to, I don't know if it's a velocity thing or or what it is, but he's kind of going through this smoke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if he was, I think if he was, you know, really pitching really, really well, he probably would be up by now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I would think because you got one start with us, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a couple of weeks ago got one start against Atlanta five innings six hits two earnings couple of walks couple of strikeouts then went down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: three and a third against Las Vegas, seven hits, four runs, four walks, four strikeouts, and then like you said, and then after that against El Paso, five innings, seven hits, six earned runs, two homeruns, three walks, one strikeout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we said two really ugly starts since he went back down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember who was saying it last night on the post game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was WOTUS, was talking about how guys can a lot of times be better major leagueers than minor leagueers, because when they come up, the focus is different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're playing in front of a rowdy crowd, a crowd that's into the game, crowds that's there to watch the team win, you're not working through things, you're up there pitching dialed in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you're in the miners, you're traveling around in a bus and a plane, and you're facing, you're going into crowds of 2,000 people, and you're just trying to get through the game, work on some mechanics and some different things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when guys come up to the majors, they're a little more dialed in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's what we could see from Wizzon Hunt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He comes up and he's dialed back in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he wants to stay there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're fighting for your job

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'd be kind of interesting to see if that's a situation where what that was and not could be in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another one for me is

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't think these guys are the savior in any way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think these guys are going to be starting players for the giant in any way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'd love to see Baricoto and Cox just get more opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like maybe Cox is going to be the new Tyler Fitzgerald who may be able to play multiple positions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That may be what they're trying to do with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know he had to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Second base the other day and he hadn't played infield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think since high school or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but, you know, he's got speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He steals bags, baricoto is Exciting like he can hit the hell out of the baseball when he does hit it and he plays better defense than mostly outflowers that they have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, you know, I mentioned him before, but Bo Davidson whenever he comes up

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's also a good defender supposedly and he's got some power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to see, now, what does that mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if those guys play, then some of these other guys cannot play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Gilbert, mate, you know, I don't know if you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we can make any overall definitive analysis on Drew Gilbert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for two years, he's been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: fun guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure he's a fourth outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure you can hit in the big leagues, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's that's that's in struggles been a struggle so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ramos, what are they going to throw almost?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they have leverage with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they would have to kind of get knocked over with a trade offer that is really, really somebody thinking that he is their answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in order for the giants to get rid of him because the giants have all the leverage that I don't think he's I don't even think he hits arbitration for like another three years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is value right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If somebody wants Ramos, they're going to have to pay a nice sum to get him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe Ramos has to play a little bit of right field now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, and, uh, does that mean, uh, junk who goes back to center?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I, I just want to see whatever it is, I want to see these guys get more of a chance, just because if, if anything for this season, this lost season,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You do have the opportunity to make some evaluations on guys so that you really know who they are and no better to do it than in live reps on, you know, in games that are kind of meaningless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would love to see, well, at the end of the season, they, they have more on their own guys like Cox and bear code because then they can see, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy is going to be a fourth outfielder for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy is going to be a utility player for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can officially say that's going to be their role, then you have a little bit more definitive statements for next year for Officer and you, you can just evaluate from there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then, and again, this is where I know it's kind of mixed feelings on the one-year contracts, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we start talking about barricotas starting to show up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now jungle leaves isn't a crap out of the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can't take him out of the line and be either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Jonah Cox is up now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Cox is probably going to go down when beta comes back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Barricotas is going to stay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be your fourth outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've also got Casey Schmidt, but Casey Schmidt's going to be locked into third base now with with some early afternoon next, probably until after the all start break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, most likely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you think someone might accidentally step on Bader's foot, just be like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, I broke your toenail, you knew you were out for a couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Poor guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just read, what was it the other day?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's doing stem cell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what the official diagnosis ended up being.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the start, they said plantar fasciitis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have it in both my feet right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the absolute worst, because you can't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even walking is painful at times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just managing it, the amount of physical therapy I have to do every single day just to get out of bed is crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't even imagine, I'd like some stems, oh, can I get that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I'm not rich enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so it's going to be difficult when he comes back to because we're going to be log jammed in the outfield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that, that's kind of what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, this was a couple years ago with Elliott Ramos, when he came up with all the sudden, like, holy crap, we have a left fielder now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a left fielder to stay for the next couple of years with Barracoto.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like, okay, do we have that guy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's why we should figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we have the opportunity to figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then again, what do you do, a

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I have, I have something about him too, and it's really like whatever you do, this is the this is going to be our entertainment for the rest of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be price eldritch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be junk who because we need to allow this man to chase the batting title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He needs to be in the lineup every day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can use like again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why can't he de-age and then diversets, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you need to, if you need to, you know, you want to take him out of the outfit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, let's do that because he's posting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's playing well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's hitting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that will be a fun thing in a season of not such fun stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be to see him get an opportunity because we know Arise is going to be there too, but we're going to, we're trading him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not going to be around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's let us enjoy

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[SPEAKER_00]: J. H. Lee going for the batting title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In addition to watching, watching price.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just hit every day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like those are the two things that we can kind of like be like, okay, at least this is worth watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the super interesting thing too is going to be, so the national league is pretty stacked right now with guys with batting at high batting average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got in the top 10, let's see, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven players in the top 10 and major league batting average are in the national league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going to be battling auto low pez, former giant, hitting 332, Luis Arise, second in the nationally, hitting any 326, then he got Brandon Marsh hitting 319, he's tied with jungle lead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be a fun race, hopefully, because I think jungle lead is here to stay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we hear a lot about, you know, oh, he's, you know, maybe just kind of, you know, he's on a little bit of a streak, but this has been like two months now that I've, junkouli is here to stay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is the guy that we originally signed, who we thought we were going to get right out of the gates, but he's figured out some things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's figured out how to use the entire field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so him and Luis arise battling now, but again, Luis arrives going to be gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he stays in the national league, he's still can battle him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If not, I think that whole thing kind of falls off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be the qualified abats are going to disappear after a certain amount of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, that makes it an easier road for jungle league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, get jungle league the abats do not ever take him out of the lineup, especially in Colorado.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what did he have in the last time we went to Colorado?

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[SPEAKER_01]: 12 hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was just absolutely ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you have anything else?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that was pretty much it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'd love to see the rest of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to see the coaching staff get dialed in communication.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of my other thing is is

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're halfway through the season and the communication is the way it is right now and the post game press conferences are, you know, throwbacks to Affleck and Damon movies and you know, two-poock lyrics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to like to hear a little more, I mean, that's great and all we love it, you know, it's funny, but it's funny or when you're winning

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to see clearer messages from the pitching coaching staff from the hitting coaching staff as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the hitting has finally come around pitching stinks right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'd like to see a little more cohesive just because

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're, you're not gonna fire a 20 by tele after one season after the money you given him and the money you gave Bob Melvin to go away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not gonna like suddenly just fire by tele at the end of the season and hire somebody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not gonna happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This coaching staff is gonna be there next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wanna see more cohesiveness between now and the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanna see Pettis get resigned for next season as the third base coach he's doing

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[SPEAKER_01]: awesome job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need the veteran guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need him and wash and we need all those guys to stay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just need the cohesiveness across the board with the entire coaching staff and especially in terms of communication.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the one other thing I wanted to mention was wasn't hunt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said already, you know, about the quote about maybe that, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just bring him up and just let him pitch for two months and get him, you know, how many ever starts that is seven or eight starts and just let him rock and deal with the positive in the negative because again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to be able to evaluate who he is if he's not a big league or if he's a triple a pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: then you know that about him and you can move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you if he has a great, you know, last few months of the season, last couple months of the season, then maybe you do have an idea of something for an extra where you have this lefty in the back end of your rotation who has figured some things out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would like to see that happen back to your Vatello thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I had Jared on

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Vatelo is just he didn't say it in this way, so I don't want to put words in his mouth, but what I kind of thought he was getting at was the easy way out for Vatelo is to just go back to college like shots that's his fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know tons and tons of bags of money like because they know that he can do it at that level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you about him not really understanding the time and place for his jokes and such.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like the guy who.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you don't know like you've never met him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he just wants to be your best friend for some reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, dude, I don't exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why are you growing me?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you giving me hugs?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never met you before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In, yeah, you know, and we've said this before, but yeah, if they were 500 or they were fighting for a wild card, some of the stuff that he says would land better, it would be endearing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and when you're 14 games under 500, it's just cringy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little cringy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Jared thinks that maybe they'll give him a second season and then they'll just kind of let him go and let him, you know, take a college job and get out of there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now, what do you think about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: hoses longevity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he's here for the ride?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it doesn't seem like it, but I go back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I keep going back to this thought that he signed up to do this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think he's going to leave it in a bad place, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he wants to desperately leave it in a good place to at least say, this is what I'm doing for this organization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am an owner unless he just feels like he is just not cut out for this job, and he can't do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then maybe him leaving it in a bad place is saying, somebody come here and actually do a better job than me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because at first, I think when I, you know, when I thought about it, I was like, okay, this dude's going to be here for two or three years and he's going to be out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now that it's fallen so poorly, this year, I kind of wonder if he just wants to get it back to what it was before he jumped in and at least like at the very minimum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that could take a couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's here until the team is in a good spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does not, I don't think he takes the job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he puts himself in that position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he goes to ownership and pitches it without the idea that he thinks he can do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The team where it's at, a guarantee you is eating him up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think he wants to walk away from that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he wants to leave that situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you want to build and you know you've got all of these young guys coming up who are hitters again pitching is a whole different story right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have to spend money on pitching that's just the bottom line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we want to see wisdom hunt come up and then he fights for a you know a four or five slot next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're gonna have to live with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buster Posey, I don't think he wants that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he sees these young guys coming up in, and it could be a two-year project, and that's why I don't think Buster Posey's gonna walk away, because he's not gonna walk away, and then two or three years from now, the Gavin Killing's and the Jajewars, and all these guys come up, and he's not in that spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I cannot see that happening, but that's just me, I don't think that's gonna happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, we will be back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we think next week, Wednesday after the Blue Jays in Giants Day game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's when we think it, I'll have this scheduled, at least in the YouTube feed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's kind of what we want to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see if that works out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am going to be back with Brian on Friday morning for Pothala.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk with the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and then, uh, I talked to Rod if you're a listener or a watcher, a viewer of we want winners, you may know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that rod, I think he mentioned it that he was on a weightless for kidney donor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's gone through all of that and I've talked to him a little bit, I think he's feeling feeling pretty good, not quite ready to come back and do this, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to bring him on for like a short one just to do if he wants to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully we'll be back through our winners, but that's kind of what's holding it up his way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just waiting for Rod to feel better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he does, then we'll get back into swinging things with 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because I don't know if you've seen these brand-in eye-yook videos, I haven't seen the videos, but I've seen some of the texts and everything else and I'm like, okay, dude, you're just wild enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fire your shots on the way out, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, he's like, yes, I fired my agent and then never been to go, oh, that's why you're able to say all this crazy stuff online and nobody cares.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, all right, what did you get traded to again?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's he's not the Niners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still under contract to the Niners and they haven't waived him yet Sort of Because he's just Kind of a pain in their rear end like they're timing it to where they hold all the cards and they don't want him to Really get his way with stuff because I think he just wants to go to Washington, I don't know if Washington is interested at this point, but he's kind of tanking like he's

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[SPEAKER_01]: he's really tanked his value unfortunately because when he actually does play he's a pretty darn good player but yeah he's really he's really he's really talk about crisis management he's really screwed up his his market value yeah he's going to get a lot less money because people aren't going to want that I mean that's not you know because I just just talking like the Los Angeles Rams I mean they wouldn't want to player like that that's not somebody that they would sign so you're not going to go to a team that's on the cusp of winning the entire thing

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[SPEAKER_01]: get signed so yeah all right that is it from here for Brad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm WG we will see you when we see you peace out peace