Valkyries 2-1 Run, Jocyte Minutes UP & Veronica Burton Injury Update | Podhalla

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we missed last time we recorded those like three games ago, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You and Konrado did one, but I have not been on the show since before the New York Indiana

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Konrado and I recorded pre-feaver, I think, the second fever game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Second one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we have three games that we can shit chat about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Games in which the Valkyries went to and one, and you went to one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys might've chatted before Connecticut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't think you stayed mid or debut yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't even remember, but anyways, screen one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the the fever game was that that was a little bit of the lightning bolt of a lot of the discussion because of the a little bit of the back and forth and I think people were kind of wondering.

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[SPEAKER_01]: are going to be any fireworks and there was not those very competitive game, but you actually went to the Portland Fire game and that looked like a fun game live and Portland tried to make it a little bit of a contest there in the third quarter for the Valkyries pulled away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did the Portland team remind you at all of last year's Valkyries?

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[SPEAKER_00]: not really like yes in the sense that they play hard and like I thought that after the second quarter I said it's like game over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they probably maintain this 20 point lead and maybe even build on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just felt like Portland hadn't no shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's water I want to go in the discord where you were like, uh oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Portland

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know this for a fact.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just remember when I was looking up at the scoreboard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they I think they they wanted by four and then in the fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they got the lead down to 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, they they play hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there were definitely half court adjustments from Sarama that they came out and employed like I don't think it was just the velkory started missing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they started doing some stuff that maybe I just didn't notice exactly what was happening, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I just think our defenses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think if you want to if you want to be like the Valkyries and you want to have this first year expansion team that you know

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think their defense did not remind me of the values and I feel like that's the Valkyries identity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, so by the way, cast is in the chat and it's like, Juice stay only.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are the, we are the use stay pod, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we are the de facto use stay pod because we've been talking about her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I started, you know, I was actually listening to,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually kind of unsure what they call it, but it basically everyone we've ever had on this podcast, like the younger reporters, Nathan and Jane, they do a podcast after each game with Joseph Dijkis, who also works on his YouTube channel, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's with like Emerson, Jamie and Kenzo Fakuta, and I want to say like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I haven't listened to every single episode, but I've listened to I thought a good chunk of them, but I think after I listened to the one after the Portland fire game, and I think Joseph was like He was like, uh, all right Nathan, I know you I know you want to like have your moment like say it and then Nathan was like, all right, so yeah, like you stay well not like like that was they were the you stay pot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, no, like we are the you

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was really fun being there live like I know, you know, from going to games with you is that and I told I went with my girlfriend and told her this is like you have a really good sense for when.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To start recording and like zoom in on the camera like I know you got a really good picture video when we went to the Warriors game and clay hit what we thought was the buzzer beater against the way and then city pages gets us on the other end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you just knew when to start like, I mean, of course, like that play makes more sense when to start, but I remember we went in so comming a moody at the Santa Cruz warriors and you just like got some comming a dunks that I was trying to get but couldn't get and I still haven't been that good at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will be got there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I film like the first four possessions on my camera of use this possessions to try and like see if I can get a good shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I put the camera down back to back threes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, we put two of your videos, one of a Janelle and tip pick and roll.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was really nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the end of it was a Caitlyn pass the ball around, get it back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We put those two up in, as shorts if people want to check those out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were really good though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your camera recorded the phone's videos very good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so yeah, that we are, we are the use they pod that there's been very little interview footage as far as I could tell from her and you got that interview that is the gift that keeps on giving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've, I've seen it resurface.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know Eric Apricot put it in his, um, his sub-stack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the purpose of the pronunciation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when he did that, I was like, oh, we might as well just put up a YouTube short of her pronouncing her name, which I did last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, that thing's going around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see it going around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, when you have the feeling, and this is the Valkyrie's first ever draft pick,

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[SPEAKER_01]: she is a little mysterious in that she's not in the US and you were able to work the magic of social media to make a connection.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that interview is kind of still really the only thing we have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know she has talked to reporters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Konrado has written about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's reported about it

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[SPEAKER_01]: most of what people may know about her is through that interview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We still haven't seen a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which reminds me, is that, is that event the weekend?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so Sunday, we will be out in San Francisco at the Warriors World event, and she's the main attraction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if people are going, hit us up in our, join the discord and hit us up and we'll get a, we'll all get like a little photo together or something that would be really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think did, did you say a friend of the podcast Chris is going to be there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what she's told me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll get to see her as well and we, yeah, we all need to get like a little bit of a photo to shoot back to the discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, so yeah, we will be able to talk about that event probably on the next podcast that we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's go back to the fire game because it wasn't an important game in the sense of it showed us much, though, they broke their record of three pointers made in a game with 18.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there were some things that they were testing as a way to maybe, and we'll talk about this Asus game in a second, to maybe figure out are there some other things that we could do against the Asus, they went small in this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Kayla Thornton, like she understands her role in this small ball line up, because she just crashes boards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chanel not so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still don't think she's really comfortable with her back to the basket or having to crash or having to always box out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she likes it when they get the ball and she can run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's some instinctual things there that they may have to like just get more repetitions in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, but they definitely tried it last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think to some success too, and you saw that you saw that ball whip around a lot, and that's some of the reason why they got so many open three pointers and made so many three pointers, because they had a lot of movement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't one person who was stopping the ball in any way, and I made this comparison in our discord, I think I was actually talking to Kasta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Genel reminds me of a number one draft pick for the Golden State Warriors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say it was 1995.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This man was a freshman coming out of Maryland.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His name was Joe Smith.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you were not a fan back in the 90s, it's very possible that you didn't hear of Joe Smith and the Warriors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: his rookie year, he was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, okay, this Chris Weber thing that happened, we're going to undo that because Joe Smith is going to be better than Chris Weber.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what Joe Smith started to do as a sixth 10 kind of string bean power forward, rather than bulk up in game size.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, what he did was just fell in love with his jump shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just became like a mid-range jump shooter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, what would you possibly do this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what he is infamous for is he, there was something with Minnesota where they lost draft picks because they were tampering with his contract in some way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what he's kind of infamous for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was the number one pick in a draft with some pretty, you know, some pretty big timer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's who she reminds me of and I'm not saying that she should be a power forward and that she should be this post player, but she's got the size.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When she is on her game, she's hitting three pointers and she's almost unstoppable when her three pointer is going it's just when the three pointer is not going is when I think she doesn't really have a plan being necessarily and that's when I would love to her go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, the three's not falling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll guess what.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, get some easy bunnies because I'm going to crash this offensive board or I'm going to run that pick and roll like she did with tip A's, which I put YouTube page.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Repair beautiful pick and roll and she just like one step.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a small person underneath her lay up like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's where I think she could expand the game a little bit when the three pointer isn't falling, but it was working out for her very well last night I thought she played well, but like there did you sense like that they were okay the ace's game is behind us now what are we going to try here because we got to play the ace's and Minnesota very soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's something, I think the Valkyries are just pretty good generally about kind of forgetting about the last game like and and really just starting a new and and trying to trying to win the next one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I thought it was really interesting about this game and I and I wonder if it has more to do with them trying something that they're going to use in future games going forward or if it more has to do with who they were playing, but you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Portland has Emily Anxler, who's the center.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have Megan Gustafson, who is like a four slash five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's got the size of a five and so we'll fight you too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know the stats that she had, but on like she seemed like she was imposing her will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when I watch her, I was like, man, I kind of wish she was on our team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do too, but there are reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they also have, like, Louisa, guys will sold her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's how you pronounce the last name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she played some five for a lot of five for the Dallas wings last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, they have a lot of, like, centers that they're kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: using in the lineup and what I was going to say is the small ball lineup is when they went KT and Janelle and I think it especially worked because, you know, they did five out and Janelle was able to get some of those easy layups and easy shots that you or get to the line, you know, it's just passing the ball around and then she's just driving it in for what is essentially a wide open layup and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think how teams would counter that, especially the aces if we went small against the aces, is that Asia is just going to cheat inside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if you, to me, whenever I saw Janelle do this, I was like, oh, wow, you're not looking to pass at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you're just looking right at the room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Asia is going to know that right away, and just go and sell out for the block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she knows like a pass out, because she just doesn't have that type of jump passability.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think from what I've seen from her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there are bigs or slower, like they don't have an Asia, of course, like Megan gust of sin to someone who I feel like, I don't think we've lost the game against, actually, you know, she was on the A system, but we beat them the first time and then they had to lower her minutes and we actually had a chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's sorry, when she was playing more, we had a better chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's just a big that not to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: saying to think against her game, she would probably almost fit a little bit on the values of their ability to shoot it, but I think we like some of those like more offensively big, less defensive, like we play better against those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I just wonder if like that small ball five line up that, you know, has you stay, Janelle, KT, to Caitlin, if that's going to have some legs for future games, or if that is more of a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, who like, I mean, the glaring kind of thing about this game was a me here didn't touch the court until the game was over thousand interesting and so it sounds like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because to me, like, as it currently stands, a me here isn't a backup five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's kind of like a specialty, like, all right, this match-up looks really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna throw her in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's what they're missing the most is in actual backup five, or some people think they're missing a starting five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so their center is the weakest position on the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you know, anyone could tell, see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I said in the chat, like, and now I'm going from fire to ACEs game, but I don't think they will beat Las Vegas until they have a little bit more support at that position, because, you know, Kia Stokes is in an Asia stopper per se, but what they were doing is that they're clogging the paint a little bit, and when Kia Stokes, when Asia gets the ball at the post or the high post, you know, the free throw line, and Kia's in front of her with her hand up, and then you have Veronica and Gabby on the corners, and they're just kind of cheating in a little bit, and trying to get,

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[SPEAKER_00]: double Asia and then Asia has to pass out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what happens when it's KT in Kia spot that has our hand up in front of Asia, Asia just goes, okay, I'm just going to shoot over you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just no resistance there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least with Kia there, it's like, okay, I'm probably not going to try to initially shoot it over you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm going to kind of see what my options are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's where the values were able to kind of take like have their best shot against that matchup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, you have both all these wings that are coming in for the double team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's having that bigger body in front of her that has a longer wingspan that you can't just like easily go around her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or you can't just easily put the jump shot or honor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're missing that in missing one more person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when Kia kind of started to get cooked in like the third quarter, I was like, oh, she just looks tired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't even try.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't even try to close out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just looks super tired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, I don't know what that looks like on the trade market or picking someone up, but I think they're clearly missing that because of me here, although she is someone who could put her hands up, I think what we've seen in her defense is that she just gets bodied.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, like how big were those three offensive fouls that she got on Boston?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because she just knew she couldn't guard her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She could not guard her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she had to take those three falls, which hey, maybe not all of them should have been offensive

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not good at selling it like Boston legit looks like she's offensive fouling every single time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If if you fall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, I do wonder, I just, I don't think that small ball line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just going to work against Vegas, but against the fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do that again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time we see them do it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here, here's the thing about the Vegas lineup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we know this because we saw the warriors do this constantly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The key to it is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dramon like you have someone like Dramon who really is the anchor and is able to at least hold his ground and he has great hands, so he can he can he and reads things and he breaks things up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw her do some of that stuff against when they played the New York Liberty and she guarded Brianna Stewart like she's, you know, there are times where she could hurt but it's not going to be as a five right Brianna Stewart is a body type that she could probably handle Asia Wilson is shack by comparison right like that she hurt she's just so skilled and so tall and so smart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she made a comment something to the effect of like she was just able to tell what the Valkyries were going to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So either she played up or she played back, she could just read everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that comes from being the best player in the WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, she's got the size and she's got the length and she's got the height that's just going to give anybody problems.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the thing about playing that

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you disrupt what the ace is usually face?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all about disruption.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you've run that small ball line up out there and you go, okay, we just want to speed them up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to speed up their decision making.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to change what they believe they need to do or can't do all of a sudden.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, there's like a little on Asia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe we just throw it down to her every single time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe if you're the valkers, you're like, great

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jackie Young's not getting the ball or, you know, or whatever other player that that was cooking the, the Valkyries, which was just about everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the flip side is as what you said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: or you give them that Kia Stokes look, which is solid, but maybe unspectacular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know we look at Kia Stokes as unfortunately she's the starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She wasn't going to be the starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can actually see what they were thinking with Rupert and Stokes just based off of how much we've seen Stokes play today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She would have just been, again, like the disruption,

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[SPEAKER_01]: repair plays twenty five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stokes plays ten minutes and then you have five minutes of small ball or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now Stokes has to play twenty five minutes plus every night just because she's really the only post that they have the only big person they have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look at her body type athleticism, all of those things, you kind of think like like she should on possessions be able to do what they want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One, she's a little bit older than I think people realize, and two, like you said, I don't know if it's if it's stamina or whatever, but there are just moments where I'm like

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a person right next to you and all you needed to do is put a chicken wing out and they don't get the rebound and it's almost like she doesn't even realize that the person is there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So some of this is also on her to just be a big, to just here's my job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to get these rebounds in this game because as we know, the Valkyries offense works so much better when they get stops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: then when they have to take the ball out from under the basket and start, you know, in a set.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you know that is the case, you know, I think some of this is on her also to realize like just like if there's one thing that that I need to do, it's this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they, you know, she's going to block shots because she's a talented shot blocker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even think she really needs to think offensively though they're going to give her the shot like we see this we saw this with bogeet right what do you do against the warriors well you just lay off a bogeet beat you got to make good passes you got to make the right passes you got to set screens but that you don't really need to to be somebody who's going to get the ball and and got to do something with it from the scoring perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: solid near the rim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She needs to stop dropping, like passes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She needs to stop blowing layouts, just be a big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, this is she's a backup center traditionally having to start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there are some things that I like about her game and some things where you're like, okay, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why she was the backup and why they wanted Rupert to be the starter and to kind of have them offset each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: You watch her play and you go, man, there's there's some good things there, and then there's some other things for you kind of scratch your head a little bit, but she did hit two three just today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, you know, kind of flat line drive type of threes, but they went in, so you know, we have to give her credit for doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I mean, speaking of threes, like, you know, last night, just them shooting as well as they did, I just I just wanted to see something so in a last year, they led the league in attempts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: three point attempts that is at 29.9 per game this year, they still lead in attempts at 31.3 per game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the craziest thing is if I filter by 3.8% edge, they were 11th in the league at 32.5%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this year, they're shooting more threes and they're number one in the league at 39%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What the hell?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is like so drastically changed?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know KT's back, but her efficiency numbers weren't bad high by any means when she went out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess maybe Jenelle's shooting it better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is like, I know that obviously Gabby Williams is here, but she's not really on paper a great three point shooter in her previous seasons either, shooting a really good this season,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is them being the number one three-point shooting team in both attempts and like makes and percentage like is that sustainable?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think you'll see teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do wonder if they'll you know play them sell a little bit more for that and maybe open up the middle a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know I don't know I'd have to like

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[SPEAKER_01]: look and and look for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I will look for it a little bit more in the next game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also think they have some really good passers on the court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you have Gabby and VB and Caitlyn on the court at the same time,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're almost always making the right pass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that helps a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you add you stay to the mix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is almost always making the right pass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes she makes a little bit of an aggressive pass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's usually the right look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you see the Janel and KT

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dave had some cold spots, but they've also had some hot hot games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I got that KT played so well yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She looked more like herself yesterday or at least the KT from last year that I think any game so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wonder if some of it is like, just needed to get some more games under her belt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe she's feeling a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the player that we saw last year and even shooting a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also maybe this small ball five thing just works very well for her because she can more than likely outrace the person she's guarding down the court just on athleticism alone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, it'll be something that we should probably look at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, there are people who covered the WNBA,

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[SPEAKER_00]: from that really heavy statistical analysis point of view and I'm sure they're they're they're probably already like looking into this just be just based on what you just said Yeah, and I mean ironically like or I don't know if it's irony, but Tiffany Hayes who probably if I had to guess I think she was probably number one and three point percentage on the team last year I want to say she was like low 40s

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's has she shouldn't like one of the worst right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's got shooting 30% from three and I know we're now nine games in or whatever, but yeah, yeah, interesting how like our best three point shooter, you know, and I would probably say we'd probably all say it's end of the scene.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was our best three point shooter last year, but from our percentage and and even like solid attempts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was tip haze and you know, she's it's her and Kyle a Charles at our pretty low.

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[SPEAKER_01]: from a and use you said small sample size and cast in the chat to the same thing, but really

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[SPEAKER_01]: The way we look at that is we look at it through the NBA lens, 10 games or nine games through an NBA lens is a small sample size through a WNBA lens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two more games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are one fourth into the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it is true, but also it is lesser of a small sample size when it comes to WNBA just because of the amount of games that they play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: we talked about the ACEs and I'm just dying to see what they try.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, they have to play them again very soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're playing them two games in upcoming in the next few weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure that they'll unveil everything, but God at think that Nat is such a competitor

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[SPEAKER_01]: her former team she's got she's probably staying up late even though she won't say it staying up late more so to figure this one out more than anything because that that was a game and we don't see this very often with golden state where we were kind of like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we're just out match and I'm not sure we have an answer and they came back a little bit late in the game to make that score a little bit closer, but it was like, okay, we kind of got run off the court and that is not generally the case with this with this team, I don't I haven't really I felt that they've under achieved a little bit that Chicago game was was maybe the one that six out the most, but I haven't really felt like

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[SPEAKER_01]: the other team was so much better than them except for that ace's game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm very interested to see how she plays that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's go back to games to that fever game because I've never heard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a Katelyn Clark game in the opposing arena be so vociferous in their booze and their dislike for Katelyn because the theme of her first two seasons was that it was like the fever almost had a home game everywhere because all these new fans, some of them brought in by Katelyn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But ball hall it was like nope, we do not like you and we are booing you at every at every step of the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she didn't play well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was a pretty bad game for her and

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[SPEAKER_01]: They still were right there at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that team has a lot of talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they fix some of their kind of late game things, I think they're still going to be, you know, you were still going to hear from them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But man, that was a game where you're like, this is why I enjoy this league so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The competitiveness was at the top, the, it felt like like a mini playoff game so early in the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that the schedule the way the schedule broke out where you just played them the week before and you had to play them again like that was perfect because you could just sense the Valkyries wanted right back on that court almost immediately after losing and had all the makings man I I kind of wonder I know Natalie talked about this but that this sense that there's a little bit of like a rivalry thing going on here yeah that was that was

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[SPEAKER_00]: about like best Valkyries game from like a, you know, I know, you know, aces year one, they kind of killed them, but like from like an actual, like good basketball game perspective of things are going back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like the most fun and most like, you know, rewarding, I think game that I've watched for the Valkyries in the past two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that game was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe, yeah, maybe there's a little bit of a rivalry brewing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, we have the, the lifetime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: advantage, I think we've, we're like, now three in one or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's, you know, but usually, I just think, I just think we guard Caitlin really well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we guard guards really well, but, you know, they need, they're in the future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to need more help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, with like a center like Alia Boston.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but rivalry, sure, why not?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't Natalie say something like there's 14 other rivals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 14 rivals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, you mentioned the name Caitlin Clark and all of a sudden like people are in your in your chats and in your in your comments and everything because we talked about it on and I put that clip up on on the page where I was like, look like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, you know, I hope that the WMBA understands that, you know, this league is very passionate and, you know, you don't, I don't want to say people about a fight or whatever, but I, that's what I sense from that first game with the fever in the locker, I was like, man, you know, another small thing that could have happened and, you know, we could have got some benches clearing and the Caitlin fans were so anti-tip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As if tip put a hit on this young lady like that's what it was like, oh my gosh, and so that her fans are like, you know, not all of them, but there's a stereotype with her fans and so I was going back and forth with them because I like the engagement and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, we were sticking up, you know, I was, I played it in the middle as much as possible, like I was like, look, some of this is her fault, some of this is her fault.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how this stuff works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not it's generally not anybody's fault, a hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And since after that game is over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: no comments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no comments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our runners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, nobody, nobody apologized, nobody said that I was right when I was like, look, here's what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Valkyries are going to go one on one at Caitlyn at every possible opportunity, which is what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they did it to to great success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk a little bit about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Veronica Burton, because there was some talk yesterday before the game that, you know, she was, I don't think she was ever questionable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the injury report said, but she was was she questionable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it went from questionable to like game time decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she played.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a moment in the game where she went down and she kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: she played pretty well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just one of those things where if you're going to sit her out for a game, Portland was probably the right one, considering you have Minnesota and Las Vegas again coming up really soon, but she played through it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's tough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This woman hits the floor so often, hits it hard too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It gets right back up and it's just such a gamer has never missed a game

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know the cliche heart and soul the team but if I if you point at somebody like who does the team and body and who do they kind of surround themselves like yeah it's Veronica man like I thought it was so impressive that she played yesterday yeah I mean you saw we saw her go down against the ace is like that's what it was on it for like a screen that I forget if they called at the other way after she went down but yeah I mean she just

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it has one of the better Veronica games of the year after being doubtful or a game-time decision to play and she just goes out there and scores what 10 points and nine assists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's just, I mean, that's just kind of embodies who she is and, you know, what I believe this team's culture is is that they're just going to keep on fighting and, you know, that's what makes them so fun to watch and so fun to root for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of wonder,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's obviously there's still so early in their franchise and we do not want to look too far in advance, but, you know, we've we've got to see Steph Curry play for his entire career and just the idea that, you know, the factories get here and you get to root for another point guard who is just like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the easiest player to root for the easiest player to get behind she obviously doesn't shoot like stuff but she does give you that goodness for the Valkyries that stuff does for the warriors and so I'm just I just love watching her play

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[SPEAKER_01]: She the way that she reacts like and and this is not a shot at Caitlyn again, but you see the way that Veronica reacts to a foul or reacts to a play versus how Caitlyn does like it's kind of the opposite right now Caitlyn is never you never see Veronica like argue it, but like yeah, I think you could even you can even argue that she should argue some of these calls more because I remember seeing her like after she got taken out of the ace's game after when she got hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, from the bench, she was sitting down like, I don't know, maybe icing the quad or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think yes, there was another moving screen and she shouted like you could see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, they've been doing that all game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, it's the only time I've ever really seen you complain, but yeah, Caitlyn complaints.

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[SPEAKER_00]: every if on a no calls on calls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's just, but her team also embodies that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You see, so if you're cutting him through her hands up, you see Lexi Hall through her hands up, even Boston in that game where she just was bulldozing a me here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was complaining on every single one and she probably did have a right to complain on every single one because the me here was kind of baiting those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: when Veronica is your leader and Veronica doesn't complain, then you as maybe the second or the third or the fourth best player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of look at her and go, well, if she's not complaining, I'm just gonna put my head down and we'll get the next call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of the difference between the two teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least emotionally talented wise, like I said, I think the fever is still gonna be good because they have so much talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's one thing that I'm just I watch Veronica Burton and I'm like she's our staff and who knows who knows how complex work knows how they age.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't start her career here, but right now if I go steps in my guy Veronica's right there with him as far as just being someone who's so fun to root for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like last thing I'll say about Caitlyn, because I think the no off season pod was going into it today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, and you should clip this, Caitlyn just gets this click.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we talk about her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think Caitlyn is like an incredible incredible player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, just if she can, and I think that the, you know, the competitiveness,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is also like what makes her so good, but some of the stuff that borderlines competitiveness and like just attitude problem, I think, you know, can, can, if she works on it, like I think is just gonna do the wonders for the team, and I think the no-off season podcast was like some of her teammates got a checker and like, like, try to, you know, I don't know what they're gonna say honestly, but yeah, if she's just able, I don't know, some of the blowups with the coaches, like I get that there's passion there,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do and I do on the defense of and think they could probably help her a little more by just not switching everything and fighting over screens harder, so maybe that's part of it to like, hey, man, you have to You've got to improve here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we're going to be better, you got to be better here and maybe that part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you, I mean, you make a really good point, though, with the Veronica thing, you know, Veronica, how she embodies how she carries herself, like you kind of see that represented throughout the Valkyries and the way that Caitlin carries herself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the competitive nature, but also the complaining nature, like you see that throughout the entire fever roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Lexi Hol was like that pre-Cateline, you know, maybe it's Stanford and wherever she was before Indiana, like she wasn't like that and now Caitlin's there and they're friends and she feels that her leader does it, like I'm going to do it too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And well, more Caitlin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, actually I will add one more thing because we're putting over cast a big time in this pod and he and I had this conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I say we have a conversation like he said something and I was like, it made me think of something which is Kayla is still really young, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's young person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's under this crazy microscope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you think of how LeBron James came into the NBA, like the second Caitlyn

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[SPEAKER_01]: turns, you know, 21.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of the same thing like she's under this giant microscope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have to understand that she is young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't necessarily have that vet who's like I'm going to be your vet and I'm going to help you get through this process because you have this giant microscope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, hopefully they can find that for her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that person is already

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[SPEAKER_01]: you can't be so demonstrative on everything because what it looks like is that you are complaining because you expect to get your way and you're not getting your way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is historically an MBA thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The comparison that I think about when I see her react sometimes is I think about Kobe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and not the early Kobe, but the Kobe that was frustrated after Shaq left because he was all by himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He scored 35 points of game, his teammates were bad, and you would see him react in this way, almost to say, man, I wish my teammates could back me up because then we would be better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I don't think that's what Caitlyn's is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Caitlyn's is more,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the face of this league, even though I'm not the best player, and yet when it comes to the referees, or maybe when it comes to commentary, like I'm not treated in that way necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it seems to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard her talk about it this way, but that's just what it seems, and that's just kind of how I've seen the NBA since I started watching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's going to

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[SPEAKER_01]: figure it out, by the way, because she's too talented.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's too many smart people around her, and the key to her success is one winning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to growing the brand and the more she kind of pulls back on the showing up, the referees in a sense, if you can say it like that, and more focusing on getting those W's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause, you know, this league is so small.

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[SPEAKER_01]: More than likely, she's going to get a championship before her career is said and done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's just, they're going to put the right people around her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's gonna improve, she'll get one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: always act like that when you haven't won or when you haven't been there, you know, you're the, you're the, you're the biggest star, but you haven't done the work in the league yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm still a fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I really, really like watching her play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just kind of maybe turn a little bit of a blind eye when she starts going crazy at the referees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, she is, she is, she is the newsmaker though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, enough about her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sick of her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Valkyrie starting line up, they go Chetchy again and set a Kyla Charles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, they did that for the first time against the aces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that when they first did it or they do to against the fever?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they did against the aces for the first time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're probably right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so they did it against the aces and then they just did it again against the fire and then they're playing Minnesota next and then Vegas again, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that this is like a matchup thing for for Zandalasini versus Kyla or do you think that this is the starting line up now is Zandalasini in Kyla out?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they are sacrificing their the the defense for the shooting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think some of it is they probably have figured that Veronica and Gabby, they do so well that you can have a Chetchie in the starting lineup versus when Chetchie comes in and Veronica and Gabby are or one of the two are out of the game because the defense is just going to be a little bit worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's a little bit what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's unfortunate for Kyla because

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's not getting as much run, she's still playing well from what I can see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think she does enhance the defense of the second team

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[SPEAKER_01]: But she may think it squeezed out more because they have this, they're going to have this thing with you stay as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll talk about this in a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But she's, you stay is going to get more minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And where are they going to come from?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Caitlyn is playing so well as the backup point guard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's so confident.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's looking for her shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She moves that basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's even able to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is the thing that surprises me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Kaylin's able to maneuver around bigs and still get her shot off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of it looks kind of like a little bit of like kind of just thrown it up and it just, it's going in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's getting to the foul line too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I wonder, I do wonder if Kaylin's gonna get, or Kaylin's gonna get squeezed a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just because you might.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the starting line up now and I think that, you know, the starting line up they had was incredible defensively, but, you know, in the discord chat, every single game would be like, wow, we're off to another slow offensive start because obviously, because Kyla's not at that, you know, great of an offensive player for what they want to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to shoot threes and Kyla has a low 3.5% edge and, you know, she is solid around the

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's more of a defensive versus offensive kind of switch and and I wonder if like eventually like is it Janell instead of Chetchie, but I don't know I think Chetchie does make sense Right now and you know they're playing dases like we said and not next game but the game after I think and can you if you could double check me on that, but Yeah, they're probably going to go to the end of listening again for that at least, but I wonder against Minnesota

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[SPEAKER_00]: what they're going to do because Minnesota has a livvy of miles and Courtney Williams and Courtney plays well against the boundaries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they go Minnesota Thursday, Vegas Saturday and then Linux Tuesday Seattle for the next two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The that Phoenix win that we got just feels way less so eat now like we've we never beat them and then we finally beat them and then it's or maybe we started there to your wine, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't I don't I don't love.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, maybe it's only happened like once, but I don't love we beat team feels really good that we beat them and then Portland just goes and beats them and it's like where were they that good this is why keep staying they're like the mini valkyries from last year, okay, you know, I have a I don't I don't love the cuts they made I have I have a

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm against 13.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't give them any, you know, I didn't listen to that discussion for sure about the playoff they cut versus the players that they kept.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun to see Carla though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was fun to see Carla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sad that I missed the video because I got there like two minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: got there and I was in line to get into the stadium and they're doing like intros and I'm like, I already missed it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but no, I think that this is probably the starting lineup and I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Kyla might start getting squeeze and I think it could be situational.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Almost like how the warriors use GP2.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, a crazy guard is coming that like we just need someone to like help lock them down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I could see Kyla just being helpful in those, uh, matchups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I do wonder against Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we should talk about it a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the game we play tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Olivia Miles is crushing as a rookie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it feels like without a doubt, she's the rookie of the year, unless something crazy happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Minnesota is a team that is the number one defense right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Best team in the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Best team in the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had it right here, defensive rating, 96.9, number one defense in the league, offensive rating, fourth, the valve cruiser said, okay, so let me do this again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Minnesota number one defense, the valve cruiser, the number three defense from a defensive rating perspective, offensive rating perspective, golden state is two, Minnesota is four, and the net rating, Minnesota one, golden state two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: top of the leaderboard type of matchup tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, again, Chicago, I worry when we play teams that can actually kind of mimic our defense and not from a scheme perspective, but just from like, oh, they're a good defense perspective because

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if they're able to do that, then we're not scoring and you know, we're, you know, our, our fast break stuff is kind of getting halted a little bit and that's where we like to get our buckets and then from the other end is just like, okay, so these two is just a defensive matchup like who's going to score offensively and if the boundaries have an off night shooting, then it's just like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just this slow, you know, just defensive like that one, what like Ram's Patriots Super Bowl that was so boring, like I think, you know, and Minnesota could be, you know, on paper, it seems like there are a team that plays really good defense and without all looking at the face out and then they're still like doing this stuff is crazy by the way, but I, I mean, I'm really interested to see that match up because I think the Valkyries have just like basically stopped or limited every single guard they've played.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but they haven't played a guard like Olivia yet, but at the same, I mean, they've played Caitlyn twice, Caitlyn had a good game in one of those games, I'd say, not on the other one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, they jacky young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to say she's a forward, she had a really good game against the Valkyries, guard or forward, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but other than that, like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Collea Copper, they didn't play well against us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Flage A, I know she's rookie, but didn't play well against us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to think of some of the other teams we've played, but like even Skyler Diggin's like started off really slow against us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she really had that great of a shooting night from a shooting perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, none of the knee, I mean, Marie and Johannes was a story of that game where we just like held their like over six or something, but yeah, just like guards, you know, and it makes sense because we have two all w defensive guards has our one and two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So as our point guard is shooting guard for on a coin Gabby, it makes sense that other guards don't play well against us, but these are is also a team in Minnesota that they're two best players right now are their guards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they've Caleb McBride as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do wonder if maybe this is a Kyla start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you really have these three, one through three, Olivia Miles, Courtney Williams, Caleb McBride, all can play really well offensively, like do you bring Kylie in for the starting lineup back into the starting lineup to just kind of limit everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then, you know, then it just becomes defense for ZD fans, and yeah, I would, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Since this is the use day podcast, we let's end the show talking about her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She did not play in that ace's game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if that means that she's not going to get a lot of run this weekend as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, she got, did you see the minutes that she did get?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She got you know three fourth quarter minutes and was like a plus 10 and I think that's what it made her time is a little bit of garbage And yeah, the ace is definitely took their foot off the gas a little bit, but just right away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like driving kick So when I think that's I exactly what probably led to her getting subdin as like the sixth or seventh woman in that Portland fire game so I do think

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to imagine they play her in this ace's game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was clearly providing something that they did not, that they could not do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the shots weren't falling, bring in someone who can drive and kick or and move the ball and shoot herself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're playing Minnesota next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I hope she, and you know, she's already, I was told by her agent Lauren when I was doing the podcast, she was like surprised that I got as many answers out of use take as you say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, depending on the results of the of the ace's game, we could be getting a sad and even more shy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You stay on Sunday or we're getting a more happy happy and open.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You stay defending it because they were in the advanced right after the game, you know, a day later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When we talked to people and I think Conrados is going to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure Nathan's going to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if M T's going to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Happy cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, the Valkyries Wednesday, pod.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't, I didn't listen to the whole thing, but I know they were up today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, we have to, you know, if people, when we talk to people on the on Sunday and just say, yep, where do you stay pod?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so we'll we'll recap anything that happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll probably I'll probably take some video of the event and throw it up on YouTube just so people who aren't there can kind of see what the vibe is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's cool, you know, it's cool to do stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're used to it for the warriors because of the success, the giants have like their own fan-fest kind of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Valkyries haven't, you know, we've we've done a few Valkyries things where we got to see Ohemotalk before a game, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you actually did you you've done other valve stuff, but yeah, this is kind of when they were starting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't really done anything lately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like for the Valkyrie stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a put on by like the community more like the Valkyrie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Valkyrie say less folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They host like stuff at Rick that the Ricky's bar, which I have still have yet to go to since they've opened a location.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had not as much team stuff that they put on from that I've been aware of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you are going to that event, hit us up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's, let's, uh, chit chat because I think it'll be a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So got a game tomorrow game on Saturday and we'll be back next week to talk about all that as well as this, uh, this you stay warriors rolled a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for Brian, I am double G. We will see you when we see you piece out.