Feb. 2, 2026
Luis Arraez Joins SF Giants; Logan Webb Commits to Team USA | Thompson 2 Clark
Three-time batting king Luis Arraez is headed to the Bay! Garrett and Brad analyze the defensive shift to second base and what Arraez brings to the lineup. Plus, a deep dive into Logan Webb’s workload as he gears up for Team USA and the 2026 season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with Drosion, throws to Sandberg and the pitch is crowded a second base, Thompson has it, throws the first, it's over 27 years of waiting, it built on it, then you're going to have someone to put it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Thompson to Clark another shorter show that we're going to do this week and we had to do it is a giant made another move, which is very good, but yeah, we're not going to live stream just going to be a shorter show we wanted to get some content out there because we have to support the giants making moves, man, I know, finally no matter how small they are, no matter how large they are, we're going to be here for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Harrison Bader last week, which we talked about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he shores up the outfield, especially defensively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're hopeful that his bat is at least as good as it was last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on the flip side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where you have like the very defensive-minded outbuilder you have a very offensive-minded second-basement who is not as defensive-focused or defensive-minded, but part of the reason, at least according to the reports that I've read, why Luis Arise took a one-year deal to come play for the giants was because they were going to give him a spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were going to give him an opportunity to play second base, whereas other teams were more so looking at him as like maybe a DH, the Padres played him off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: thought last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think we got, uh, we got someone who makes contact doesn't strike out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to hit into some double play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to walk very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can hit hit hit hit hit a lot of bloop shots that are going to fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about the move that they made?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're, you're generous when you said, uh, very defensive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My name for Bader and then you said very offensive minded for, uh, Louis, a rise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'd go very, the thing he does well as he hit singles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, you, you bring it in because of his bat, like you're not bringing him in because he's like a great base runner or he's this like leader in the clubhouse, you're like, Oh, this guy's going to hit 300 and, you know, we need guys who don't strike out on this baseball team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they brought him in because that is the one thing this team is missing and it's batting average.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This team doesn't have guys who are going to hit for average.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you'd be lucky to have any of these guys on this team right now hit above 270 right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that might be Elliott Ramos.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know he's done it before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jung Hulie maybe we still haven't seen yet if that's what he can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bader can possibly do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a he's a 280-ish guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got a guy who can hit over 300, down near your last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, the fact that you go out and get a guy to play second base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I...
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've seen a lot of debate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, you know, again, we've also heard this, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a polarizing move, not everybody's gonna like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is gonna be like a 50, 50.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The old heads, like us, I think we're gonna lean towards, we like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The young bloods are gonna be like, dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are we doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy is WRC plus wasn't good last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't hit home runs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually has the worst bat speed and the entire league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And defensively, he's very bad at second base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, we are going to look at this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Old heads are going to look at this and say, here's a guy who can hit 300.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a guy that you can plug in a lineup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when he comes up in a situation where you've got two runners on, you know that he's got a pretty good chance of moving those runners along and not just being a hole in the lineup where it's, well,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're either going to get a strikeout or we're going to get a deep flyball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to do nothing because we've got two outs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, with a rise, he's probably going to put the ball in play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't walk a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't strike out a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and most of our guys that's like two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, shoot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The team I think are in our opener last year against Hunter Green and the Cincinnati Red.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we struck out like 15, 16 times and so you can take, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the trade market was falling apart, Brendan Donovan ends up going to the Mariners today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then when you look at the prospects that they had to give up and had to do a three team trade just to get it done, there was a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Cardinals wanted a lot for Donovan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were in position to get a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They could have waited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They could have waited until they all star-breaking and maybe seen what they could have gotten then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing I really do like about the move,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know a lot of people are calling for a Schmidt to get more of a look at second base, like a whole season look at second base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what personally I wanted to see that, but what I like about this is the depth now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's now your utility guy in your backup guy at second base of something happens to a rise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you've got Casey Schmidt as your starter, and that's what we had at third base last year with Chapman, and we could possibly have that again, and then you've got Schmidt can play shortstop of Domus goes down, I mean any kind of injuries, you've got a super utility guy, and before you got a rise, if you had Schmidt out there and he got hurt, now you're
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, Chapman Chapman was out for a little while last year, I think it's completely fine to look at this subjectively and say that there are definitely positives, there are definitely negatives where you are on the fence, I like the option of him and Schmidt rather than just Schmidt if you're going to add add to the 26 man roster now you know who's going to like this deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a very vocal former San Francisco Giants player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will Clark is gonna love this deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's always talking about guys when they have two strikes and they don't shorten their swing and they don't like change their demeanor and all these guys swinging for home runs because there's no pressure on them if they strike out and you know, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll's big on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet you Will's gonna enjoy this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at Louisa Rice opportunity and when you look at it too I mean you've got your home run hitters right you've you've got a Domus Davers Chapman, possibly Elliott Ramos if he could for Eldridge yeah an Eldridge I mean if they could put together full seasons of lots of power then then you've got four guys and then you got your power guys well you got to set the table and and then you also have to guy have a guy who can hit in the seven hole on certain days
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[SPEAKER_01]: because we know it's the starting rotation, it's going to be a little bit of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to have to score runs and I think Buster saw that and you know, it's not like this guy's a run driving machine, but but he gets on base and if he's on base and other guys get on base, you know, things happen and I think that's kind of what baseball is all about and I think he's going to get on base if he hits over three, 15 around there, then he'll get on
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's in the 270 range, which I don't think he'll be, because historically he's not, he's not going to really get on base as much as you would think, but if he hits, you know, for what his career average would be, I think he's going to be a nice,
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[SPEAKER_00]: table set or they're probably going to have to hit him lead off as my guess in the first second, maybe you could hit him third, but I think the like the flip side of not doing anything is like you said, going with Schmidt at second and just crossing your fingers and going like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We hope this works like we have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no, uh, there's no, uh, data that supports KC Schmidt is even in every day's second basement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was the idea of KC Schmidt is a good player and good players will find their footing and, you know, if he's a good infield or he could probably play second place though, like I said before when I was growing up, I remember going to baseball
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[SPEAKER_00]: actually a baseball camp in Santa Clara.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was Santa Clara's baseball field called was it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bucknell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was that what it was?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they had buckshob but no that was you know, buckshob was in was it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking Washington Park.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Washington Park is in Sunnyvale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you're a second baseman, you are running way more than a short stop runs because of how often you have to go out and for cutoffs and stuff and so, you know, Casey Schmidt being a third baseman, it's a little bit different than being a second baseman who's way more active in the middle of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like you also said, having him,
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[SPEAKER_00]: be a valuable utility because he could theoretically play all four infield positions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I even heard F. P. Santangels like they should just throw them in the outfield to and see if he can do it, then he becomes your your right handed Tony Phillips just you couldn't just put him in wherever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So brist like one of those guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But but the key to it, I think is
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[SPEAKER_00]: if all else fails, what a rise has shown is that he's going to hit the baseball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at the very least, the default, the bare minimum is a rise is going to hit between 290 and 320 and he's not gonna strike out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that is kind of the, this is the antithesis of what the team is right now, it's just a bunch of dudes who strike out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at least, that's the callback plan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like getting a full season of Donnie barrels that we didn't get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's kind of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you're looking back at our second basement in the history of this franchise over the last like, you know, 10 years or so, you went in Joe Panic,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of didn't go anywhere until you got, uh, Donnie barrels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's three pretty good years for us, but never played more than like a hundred games, because part of it was during the pandemic, but he did hit, you know, three, 23, 30, and his OPS Plus was just barely over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't anything fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a rise had an at an OPS plus of over one thirty two years in row just recently um and twenty three and twenty four so uh twenty five again was a little bit of an off here he was just under one hundred and and what if that what if some of that was oh man i'm not playing second base i feel like i'm in the mix when i play second and now i'm not so that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he's looking for, and that's what the giants were able to give him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything, and again, this is one year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't express how much I see on social media that the fans are freaking out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, this is our move, this is what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, this is one year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Buster Posi is trying to implement, you know, getting on base, getting base hits, cutting down on strikeouts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he's trying to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to have guys that don't do that in Davers and Adomas and Chapman, but you also have to complement them with guys that do get on base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you one thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If Luis Arise was not picked up by the Giants, there's a chance it goes a little bit longer, a little bit longer,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he's a utility bat for the Dodgers and he's coming in and breaking our hearts laying in games anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these the type of guy you're going to see in October with a, you know, championship playoff club.
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[SPEAKER_01]: playing bit parts and doing what he needs to do and getting those key hits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not saying that that's going to be us, but if you can get them on our team so you can avoid seeing that on another team, if you have to play somebody, you know, in the playoffs, and I like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If this is it, if we had into spring training and pitchers and catches report next week, and this is the club, they don't add anyone else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know what, I'm, I'm satisfied with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Signing by TELLO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm satisfied with the other one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The, the new leadership.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the whole coaching staff, Ron Washington, Jesse Chavez, who I never thought would retire, but he's our pitching coach, our bullpen coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was going to come out of the bullpen and throw some anything for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, we may need to suit him up at some point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine have a bullpen coach slash reliever?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love that and go throw back right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm good with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm satisfied.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could we have done more?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we still sign for Amber Valdez to a one-year deal or a two-year with a one-year opt-out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, and I think they still could.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they might, but they're going to be buttoned up pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're only, what are they just like, 10, 11 million away from the first threshold level?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be kind of difficult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would go over the threshold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, you've got a guy, so you signarized.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you get to July, and the team is just doing okay, and Eldridge is up, and Schmidt is actually hitting, and things are starting to look good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you can move him for a low level relief prod, you know, prospector.
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[SPEAKER_01]: or a starting prospect as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not, I mean, it's again, a one year, $12 million deal, it's not breaking the bank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think going into the season right now, I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I excited about the five-man rotation?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm excited about the lineup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited about the potential of what this lineup could do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think I'm happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm about 70% happy, let's say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, yeah, I would be much happier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had last year's bullpen versus bullpen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you don't know how much you're gonna miss Tyler Rogers until he's gone and yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, hey, that bullpen last year was not fantastic, but they had arms who you trusted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Walker is now like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the only guy left there as far as who's going to pitch and pitch late in the game, as far as someone who we, you know, who we know, we'll see with Eric Miller, who hopefully is like, you know, he had he showed some good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's another one that you can kind of go, okay, yeah, that that makes a little bit of sense there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, could he close?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've I have no idea did that I'd be interested in seeing if you could do it because I know
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[SPEAKER_00]: It brings me a little bit the back end of that rotation three four or four five six seven eight depending on how deep you got to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a little worrisome because you have a lot of guys at the back end who historically have had injury issues or, you know, just the young guys like Hayden and was in hunt and the kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... blake uh... what's the name uh... uh... to dwell blade to to blake to dwell who they they got in the trade and then this uh... this other kid the other lefty who's now uh... i saw Keith law had him as the number four prospect for the giants uh... br- what's his name Jacob uh...
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[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot why I forgot what his name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a life, I think he's a life-handed pitcher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they haven't read that article yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So try to, you know, the Keith Law has their farm system and in about the middle of the pack, but which is really good compared to what it's been of the last two years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he also wrote that they're kind of on their way to having a, like an early,
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[SPEAKER_00]: farm system if some things go right so that was good to hear and you know farm system is really all about like if you need a guy you and you have the people to trade then you can oh mokey bets is available like for prospect and you know which of the giants whenever those guys are available the giants never have those prospects to send out there so that's a good thing and I you know
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[SPEAKER_00]: 49ers because it's cross comparisons for supports are kind of weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm watching this documentary on AMC and Rod and I will talk about this after the Super Bowl on Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We won't winters will be up after the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tom Brady put together this documentary series on AMC about the 49ers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Bill Walsh, so the Niners win Super Bowl in 84, and 85, they get crushed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, actually no, they don't actually get crushed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The New York Giants beat them, but that's the Chicago Bears Super Bowl shuffle gear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the next season where they get crushed, and they get crushed by the Giants, like 49 to 3 Giants go on to win Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Bill Walsh was kind of rebuilding his roster knowing that his guys were maybe a little bit on the older end and he needed to bring in new new folks and I kind of thought about it from the perspective of Buster Posey because he inherited a Farhan's IED team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to imagine those guys did not see IDI and how to build a baseball team and the types of players that you wanted to have on your baseball team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Buster does like a Matt Chapman, like even though Chapman is a high strike out guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that he's a gold Glover at third base, the fact that he can put the baseball over the fence, the fact that he's going to show up and he's going to play as many games as he does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure is very high on the Buster scale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now, you know, this is year two of rebuilding
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he thinks like, okay, you know, I have this three-year deal that I signed, even though I am also an owner, so I'm kind of my own boss here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if he thought it was like, okay, it's going to take a few years here to get rid of the farhoneyness of this team and create this team in my own vision.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is kind of the, you know, the second out of the three years and maybe this is the transition now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: missing out on certain guys is not fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure in Buster's own minds, like yeah, of course, we would want to be in on some of these higher price free agents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't happened that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you go and get your devours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe there's another move coming this summer when the giants are in the mix, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: When the giants are in the wild card mix and you're looking at who's out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, oh, Buster showed,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's willing to make trades to improve this baseball team since they're having trouble getting these free agents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to be open-minded about what this team is at the beginning of spring training versus what they might be in the middle of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, we were talking about this last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants are an 81 and 81 team until they prove to us that they are not, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So no matter where they sit in the standings, when it comes to the end of the season, I'm going to think that they are just an average baseball team until they finally prove that they are not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this would be a great year for Buster Ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be 85 wins, to be 87 wins, to actually show that near the end of the season, you're actually building upon and winning late in the season instead of folding and going back to the median to just 81 and 81.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm open-minded, but at the same time I'm very reserved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like some of this stuff, but I'm still a little weary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm protecting myself for the heartbreak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where I stand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I went into this Buster regime about halfway through this season once the relievers were traded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And excuse me, guys, we're picked up from other teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got some prospects back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was fully on
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a farm rebuild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a major league team rebuild, but it's a farm rebuild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to try to boost this farm up as much as they can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, it's envious to see Dodgers, the Dodgers farm club that's always up there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And any time they need a player to fill a roster hole as they're heading into the end of July, they're able to trade prospects, because they always have prospects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have that depth, and they're always grabbing more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so to rebuild the farm, I think is really important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't rebuild the farm if you're constantly trading farm pieces.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The few that you do have for guys like Brendan Donovan for two years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, Nico Horner for one year, uh, you're, you're just not going to build it, and, and that's the reality, and I'm fine with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, when you see it from the outside, is that, then, then maybe it's more acceptable, um, because they are still trying to compete at the, at the, at the big league level as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't, you don't go out and, and trade for raffy devours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, if, if the giants had to give up, but Buster had to give up Bryce Aldridge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We already know
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[SPEAKER_01]: Devours is not here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that was the case, they had to give up Jordan Hicks, Tibs III, and Carl Harrison, and Harrison's the only one left in Boston, and the other two guys are gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've moved on for Boston.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tibs almost immediately, who wasn't when he was trying to be federal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was traded to the Dodgers and a move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't remember
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[SPEAKER_01]: who that was for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then Jordan Hicks was just traded, I think yesterday or this morning to the white socks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so again, if Buster had to trade the farm to get raffy devours, I don't think it happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that he said, you know what we could take on that contract.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to lose the farm and we can still rebuild the farm and we have a super star now and we could put people in the seats at the same time we're building the farm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do that and and so that was a great move that's a very savvy movie if you're just trying to build the farm but also not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: lose the gate at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's important for San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for this ball park at UCBIMe, you want to fill it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great place to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a better place to be when the team is winning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're going to get back there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, I mean, this, this, it would be nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, can you imagine if this team got 87 wins this year?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you make that jump in six wins and you go, okay, hey, there's starting to build something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're looking at free agents, too, that are also seeing that we're starting to build something and Buster knows what he's doing and moves are being made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I want to be part of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Vitalo was a great manager this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, all high-pithetical, we don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to see Bochi said something in an interview with FBC and Tangelow that was really funny that I, you don't really think about, but he said,
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[SPEAKER_01]: 70 games in a season yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so that's kind of, you know, you see how you handle it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After you lose 70 games, you lose 70 games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got a great season, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you won 92 if you lose 70 games, but you still have to lose 70 games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's 70 post games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're sitting there going, what could I have done different?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot to weigh on you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't think about that until he said that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I always thought that was kind of interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just the length of the season compared to what he's got to deal with is is a new thing for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the only other thing I want to mention, Elliot Ramos is playing for Puerto Rico in the world-based ball classics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So good luck to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess I'm less worried about him than I am with Logan Webb and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: really good competitive ABs very early on and by the time he gets to the end of spring training and the Giants facing the Yankees on opening night he'll be he should be ready because he's going to be seeing everybody's best stuff coming out of the WBC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you worried about Logan and all like what your thoughts on Logan?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that the Giants themselves were sort of down on
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not too worried about him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He takes good care of himself, he knows his limits, he's a horse and so, no, I'm not too worried about him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The one big injury that we always go back to is like, oh, pictures, pictures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was Edwin Diaz was celebrating the race and towards ACL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how often is that going to happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, no, I'm not too, I'm not too terribly worried about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, there's going to be so many baseball players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so many really good players that you're just going to be in all of watching the WBC, but you're still rooting for Team USA and you know, but I'll start busted out my WBC cap during the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, we're like a month out before they actually play a couple exhibition games for the WBC starts at the end of the first week of March.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be a blast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the giants are going to kick off the baseball season on Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can see Yankees a few weeks after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're closer than we realize when it comes to how soon baseball competitive real baseball is going to be starting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the WBC it's it's like an all a great all start game tournament and these all start games matter so they're they're not yeah, it's like playing you know lazy so it's it's competitive so that'll be a blast by the way, before we get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super will pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the first year in a very long time that I talked to Denise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, hey, what if we just go to like our local pizza joint during the game?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's probably going to be dead and we get some food.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we head over to, and we were going to go to beer and be, but they closed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Permanent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to have our favorite beer joints around this area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we might go there's this other place called whispering vine and just have, you know, a couple glasses of wine and just sitting there and they have one TV so we thought we're not going to go to watch the game, but just be rebels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and be out of the house, not watching the Super Bowl during the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would probably say, I would probably go with Seattle, I mean, I don't know if New England has what it's take to what it takes to hang with that team, you and I have seen, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Rams have seen them three times this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys have seen them three times this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, that's a tough team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I complete team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're a very well coach team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I can't see anybody taking down Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd love to see Cooper Cup get another ring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a, he's a good dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The, there's this thing about it though, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You and I,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can we theoretically root for Seattle?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, we hate Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can root for Cooper Cup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we support Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't real hate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's your favorite team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that whole thing, I was a team that beat us in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the team that beat us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Both of our teams in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to have our team games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those jerks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I kind of feel like this
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, how do they get so lucky to me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not like, well, when I watched them, I was like, they're not that good, but they're there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So do you think, do you think, label learn some, some quote unquote, tricks from Bellachick?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not telling their winning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it doesn't, it does remind, and now this is a little probably not so fun for you to think about, but doesn't it remind you of that Tom Brady team that B.S.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that beat the St. Louis Rams and the Los Angeles Rams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, you know, our two Super Bowl losses in the last, you know, 25 years or whatever it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the team, that's Tom Brady.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those are the only time they've lost in the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I really wanted to rematch this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really wanted to go, I know it's not the same team, but McVeigh, beating New England in the Super Bowl,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, just kind of a nice redemption because he went into his first one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So wide-eyed, only scored three points, and just had such a tough time because he was overwhelmed by the whole situation, but this would have been his third Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So going into it, a little more relaxed, a little more okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go, but it was not to be, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't really root for either of these to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I'm rooting for pizza, and wine, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that might have to be the play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just pizza, and yeah, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping places are dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm hoping like, oh, we can leave here like around four record because I want to see bad bunny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then go, you know, go have food and some drinks and come back and watch a little bad bunny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, we'll be back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see about next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If the Giants do something, we'll try and do another short show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pictures and catchers reporting is nice, but nothing really happens, so maybe the following week for sure 100% when everybody reports, we may do a show then, but we're almost close to the point of where we're going to be back weekly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll take the time
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, kind of gear up and get ready for the season, but again, if something happens if all of a sudden, like Brad said, the giant sign for Amber Valdez, and in order to stay under that, uh, cap, or it's tech like not a cap, but they stay under that tax limit, um, they may have to ship out a couple of guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We may see like Luis Matos and, you know, other guys traded, though, you know, Matos doesn't make a lot of money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm trying to think of who they would have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think there's anybody we can move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they would have to go over that first that first cap number that first tax number would ever to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here for Brad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm double G. We will see when we see you piece out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with Drosion, throws to Sandberg and the pitch is crowded a second base, Thompson has it, throws the first, it's over 27 years of waiting, it built on it, then you're going to have someone to put it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Thompson to Clark another shorter show that we're going to do this week and we had to do it is a giant made another move, which is very good, but yeah, we're not going to live stream just going to be a shorter show we wanted to get some content out there because we have to support the giants making moves, man, I know, finally no matter how small they are, no matter how large they are, we're going to be here for it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Harrison Bader last week, which we talked about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he shores up the outfield, especially defensively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're hopeful that his bat is at least as good as it was last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on the flip side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: where you have like the very defensive-minded outbuilder you have a very offensive-minded second-basement who is not as defensive-focused or defensive-minded, but part of the reason, at least according to the reports that I've read, why Luis Arise took a one-year deal to come play for the giants was because they were going to give him a spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were going to give him an opportunity to play second base, whereas other teams were more so looking at him as like maybe a DH, the Padres played him off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: thought last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think we got, uh, we got someone who makes contact doesn't strike out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to hit into some double play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to walk very much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can hit hit hit hit hit a lot of bloop shots that are going to fall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about the move that they made?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're, you're generous when you said, uh, very defensive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My name for Bader and then you said very offensive minded for, uh, Louis, a rise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'd go very, the thing he does well as he hit singles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, you, you bring it in because of his bat, like you're not bringing him in because he's like a great base runner or he's this like leader in the clubhouse, you're like, Oh, this guy's going to hit 300 and, you know, we need guys who don't strike out on this baseball team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they brought him in because that is the one thing this team is missing and it's batting average.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This team doesn't have guys who are going to hit for average.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you'd be lucky to have any of these guys on this team right now hit above 270 right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that might be Elliott Ramos.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know he's done it before.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jung Hulie maybe we still haven't seen yet if that's what he can do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bader can possibly do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a he's a 280-ish guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got a guy who can hit over 300, down near your last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, the fact that you go out and get a guy to play second base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I...
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've seen a lot of debate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, you know, again, we've also heard this, too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a polarizing move, not everybody's gonna like.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is gonna be like a 50, 50.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The old heads, like us, I think we're gonna lean towards, we like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The young bloods are gonna be like, dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are we doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy is WRC plus wasn't good last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't hit home runs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He actually has the worst bat speed and the entire league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And defensively, he's very bad at second base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, we are going to look at this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Old heads are going to look at this and say, here's a guy who can hit 300.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a guy that you can plug in a lineup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when he comes up in a situation where you've got two runners on, you know that he's got a pretty good chance of moving those runners along and not just being a hole in the lineup where it's, well,
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're either going to get a strikeout or we're going to get a deep flyball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to do nothing because we've got two outs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, with a rise, he's probably going to put the ball in play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't walk a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't strike out a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and most of our guys that's like two weeks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, shoot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The team I think are in our opener last year against Hunter Green and the Cincinnati Red.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we struck out like 15, 16 times and so you can take, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the trade market was falling apart, Brendan Donovan ends up going to the Mariners today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then when you look at the prospects that they had to give up and had to do a three team trade just to get it done, there was a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Cardinals wanted a lot for Donovan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were in position to get a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They could have waited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They could have waited until they all star-breaking and maybe seen what they could have gotten then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing I really do like about the move,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know a lot of people are calling for a Schmidt to get more of a look at second base, like a whole season look at second base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what personally I wanted to see that, but what I like about this is the depth now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's now your utility guy in your backup guy at second base of something happens to a rise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He gets hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you've got Casey Schmidt as your starter, and that's what we had at third base last year with Chapman, and we could possibly have that again, and then you've got Schmidt can play shortstop of Domus goes down, I mean any kind of injuries, you've got a super utility guy, and before you got a rise, if you had Schmidt out there and he got hurt, now you're
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, Chapman Chapman was out for a little while last year, I think it's completely fine to look at this subjectively and say that there are definitely positives, there are definitely negatives where you are on the fence, I like the option of him and Schmidt rather than just Schmidt if you're going to add add to the 26 man roster now you know who's going to like this deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a very vocal former San Francisco Giants player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will Clark is gonna love this deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's always talking about guys when they have two strikes and they don't shorten their swing and they don't like change their demeanor and all these guys swinging for home runs because there's no pressure on them if they strike out and you know, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll's big on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet you Will's gonna enjoy this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at Louisa Rice opportunity and when you look at it too I mean you've got your home run hitters right you've you've got a Domus Davers Chapman, possibly Elliott Ramos if he could for Eldridge yeah an Eldridge I mean if they could put together full seasons of lots of power then then you've got four guys and then you got your power guys well you got to set the table and and then you also have to guy have a guy who can hit in the seven hole on certain days
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[SPEAKER_01]: because we know it's the starting rotation, it's going to be a little bit of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're going to have to score runs and I think Buster saw that and you know, it's not like this guy's a run driving machine, but but he gets on base and if he's on base and other guys get on base, you know, things happen and I think that's kind of what baseball is all about and I think he's going to get on base if he hits over three, 15 around there, then he'll get on
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's in the 270 range, which I don't think he'll be, because historically he's not, he's not going to really get on base as much as you would think, but if he hits, you know, for what his career average would be, I think he's going to be a nice,
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[SPEAKER_00]: table set or they're probably going to have to hit him lead off as my guess in the first second, maybe you could hit him third, but I think the like the flip side of not doing anything is like you said, going with Schmidt at second and just crossing your fingers and going like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We hope this works like we have no idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no, uh, there's no, uh, data that supports KC Schmidt is even in every day's second basement.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was the idea of KC Schmidt is a good player and good players will find their footing and, you know, if he's a good infield or he could probably play second place though, like I said before when I was growing up, I remember going to baseball
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[SPEAKER_00]: actually a baseball camp in Santa Clara.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was Santa Clara's baseball field called was it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bucknell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Was that what it was?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they had buckshob but no that was you know, buckshob was in was it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking Washington Park.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Washington Park is in Sunnyvale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if you're a second baseman, you are running way more than a short stop runs because of how often you have to go out and for cutoffs and stuff and so, you know, Casey Schmidt being a third baseman, it's a little bit different than being a second baseman who's way more active in the middle of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like you also said, having him,
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[SPEAKER_00]: be a valuable utility because he could theoretically play all four infield positions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I even heard F. P. Santangels like they should just throw them in the outfield to and see if he can do it, then he becomes your your right handed Tony Phillips just you couldn't just put him in wherever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So brist like one of those guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But but the key to it, I think is
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[SPEAKER_00]: if all else fails, what a rise has shown is that he's going to hit the baseball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at the very least, the default, the bare minimum is a rise is going to hit between 290 and 320 and he's not gonna strike out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that is kind of the, this is the antithesis of what the team is right now, it's just a bunch of dudes who strike out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at least, that's the callback plan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like getting a full season of Donnie barrels that we didn't get.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's kind of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you're looking back at our second basement in the history of this franchise over the last like, you know, 10 years or so, you went in Joe Panic,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of didn't go anywhere until you got, uh, Donnie barrels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's three pretty good years for us, but never played more than like a hundred games, because part of it was during the pandemic, but he did hit, you know, three, 23, 30, and his OPS Plus was just barely over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't anything fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um,
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[SPEAKER_01]: a rise had an at an OPS plus of over one thirty two years in row just recently um and twenty three and twenty four so uh twenty five again was a little bit of an off here he was just under one hundred and and what if that what if some of that was oh man i'm not playing second base i feel like i'm in the mix when i play second and now i'm not so that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he's looking for, and that's what the giants were able to give him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything, and again, this is one year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't express how much I see on social media that the fans are freaking out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, this is our move, this is what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, this is one year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Buster Posi is trying to implement, you know, getting on base, getting base hits, cutting down on strikeouts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he's trying to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to have guys that don't do that in Davers and Adomas and Chapman, but you also have to complement them with guys that do get on base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you one thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If Luis Arise was not picked up by the Giants, there's a chance it goes a little bit longer, a little bit longer,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and he's a utility bat for the Dodgers and he's coming in and breaking our hearts laying in games anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So these the type of guy you're going to see in October with a, you know, championship playoff club.
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[SPEAKER_01]: playing bit parts and doing what he needs to do and getting those key hits.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not saying that that's going to be us, but if you can get them on our team so you can avoid seeing that on another team, if you have to play somebody, you know, in the playoffs, and I like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If this is it, if we had into spring training and pitchers and catches report next week, and this is the club, they don't add anyone else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know what, I'm, I'm satisfied with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Signing by TELLO.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm satisfied with the other one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The, the new leadership.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and the whole coaching staff, Ron Washington, Jesse Chavez, who I never thought would retire, but he's our pitching coach, our bullpen coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought he was going to come out of the bullpen and throw some anything for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey, we may need to suit him up at some point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine have a bullpen coach slash reliever?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love that and go throw back right there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm good with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm satisfied.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Could we have done more?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we still sign for Amber Valdez to a one-year deal or a two-year with a one-year opt-out?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely, and I think they still could.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they might, but they're going to be buttoned up pretty close.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're only, what are they just like, 10, 11 million away from the first threshold level?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be kind of difficult.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would go over the threshold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, you've got a guy, so you signarized.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you get to July, and the team is just doing okay, and Eldridge is up, and Schmidt is actually hitting, and things are starting to look good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you can move him for a low level relief prod, you know, prospector.
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[SPEAKER_01]: or a starting prospect as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not, I mean, it's again, a one year, $12 million deal, it's not breaking the bank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think going into the season right now, I'm excited.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I excited about the five-man rotation?
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[SPEAKER_01]: No.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm excited about the lineup.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm excited about the potential of what this lineup could do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think I'm happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm about 70% happy, let's say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, yeah, I would be much happier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had last year's bullpen versus bullpen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you don't know how much you're gonna miss Tyler Rogers until he's gone and yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, hey, that bullpen last year was not fantastic, but they had arms who you trusted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Walker is now like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the only guy left there as far as who's going to pitch and pitch late in the game, as far as someone who we, you know, who we know, we'll see with Eric Miller, who hopefully is like, you know, he had he showed some good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's another one that you can kind of go, okay, yeah, that that makes a little bit of sense there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, could he close?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've I have no idea did that I'd be interested in seeing if you could do it because I know
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[SPEAKER_00]: It brings me a little bit the back end of that rotation three four or four five six seven eight depending on how deep you got to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a little worrisome because you have a lot of guys at the back end who historically have had injury issues or, you know, just the young guys like Hayden and was in hunt and the kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... blake uh... what's the name uh... uh... to dwell blade to to blake to dwell who they they got in the trade and then this uh... this other kid the other lefty who's now uh... i saw Keith law had him as the number four prospect for the giants uh... br- what's his name Jacob uh...
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[SPEAKER_00]: I forgot why I forgot what his name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a life, I think he's a life-handed pitcher.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they haven't read that article yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So try to, you know, the Keith Law has their farm system and in about the middle of the pack, but which is really good compared to what it's been of the last two years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he also wrote that they're kind of on their way to having a, like an early,
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[SPEAKER_00]: farm system if some things go right so that was good to hear and you know farm system is really all about like if you need a guy you and you have the people to trade then you can oh mokey bets is available like for prospect and you know which of the giants whenever those guys are available the giants never have those prospects to send out there so that's a good thing and I you know
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[SPEAKER_00]: 49ers because it's cross comparisons for supports are kind of weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm watching this documentary on AMC and Rod and I will talk about this after the Super Bowl on Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We won't winters will be up after the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tom Brady put together this documentary series on AMC about the 49ers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Bill Walsh, so the Niners win Super Bowl in 84, and 85, they get crushed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, actually no, they don't actually get crushed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The New York Giants beat them, but that's the Chicago Bears Super Bowl shuffle gear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the next season where they get crushed, and they get crushed by the Giants, like 49 to 3 Giants go on to win Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and Bill Walsh was kind of rebuilding his roster knowing that his guys were maybe a little bit on the older end and he needed to bring in new new folks and I kind of thought about it from the perspective of Buster Posey because he inherited a Farhan's IED team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to imagine those guys did not see IDI and how to build a baseball team and the types of players that you wanted to have on your baseball team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Buster does like a Matt Chapman, like even though Chapman is a high strike out guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that he's a gold Glover at third base, the fact that he can put the baseball over the fence, the fact that he's going to show up and he's going to play as many games as he does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure is very high on the Buster scale.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now, you know, this is year two of rebuilding
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he thinks like, okay, you know, I have this three-year deal that I signed, even though I am also an owner, so I'm kind of my own boss here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if he thought it was like, okay, it's going to take a few years here to get rid of the farhoneyness of this team and create this team in my own vision.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is kind of the, you know, the second out of the three years and maybe this is the transition now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: missing out on certain guys is not fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure in Buster's own minds, like yeah, of course, we would want to be in on some of these higher price free agents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't happened that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you go and get your devours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe there's another move coming this summer when the giants are in the mix, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: When the giants are in the wild card mix and you're looking at who's out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, oh, Buster showed,
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's willing to make trades to improve this baseball team since they're having trouble getting these free agents.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to be open-minded about what this team is at the beginning of spring training versus what they might be in the middle of the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But also, we were talking about this last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants are an 81 and 81 team until they prove to us that they are not, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So no matter where they sit in the standings, when it comes to the end of the season, I'm going to think that they are just an average baseball team until they finally prove that they are not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this would be a great year for Buster Ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be 85 wins, to be 87 wins, to actually show that near the end of the season, you're actually building upon and winning late in the season instead of folding and going back to the median to just 81 and 81.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm open-minded, but at the same time I'm very reserved.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like some of this stuff, but I'm still a little weary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm protecting myself for the heartbreak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where I stand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I went into this Buster regime about halfway through this season once the relievers were traded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And excuse me, guys, we're picked up from other teams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Got some prospects back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was fully on
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a farm rebuild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not a major league team rebuild, but it's a farm rebuild.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to try to boost this farm up as much as they can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, it's envious to see Dodgers, the Dodgers farm club that's always up there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And any time they need a player to fill a roster hole as they're heading into the end of July, they're able to trade prospects, because they always have prospects.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have that depth, and they're always grabbing more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so to rebuild the farm, I think is really important.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't rebuild the farm if you're constantly trading farm pieces.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The few that you do have for guys like Brendan Donovan for two years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, Nico Horner for one year, uh, you're, you're just not going to build it, and, and that's the reality, and I'm fine with that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, when you see it from the outside, is that, then, then maybe it's more acceptable, um, because they are still trying to compete at the, at the, at the big league level as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't, you don't go out and, and trade for raffy devours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, if, if the giants had to give up, but Buster had to give up Bryce Aldridge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We already know
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[SPEAKER_01]: Devours is not here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that was the case, they had to give up Jordan Hicks, Tibs III, and Carl Harrison, and Harrison's the only one left in Boston, and the other two guys are gone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've moved on for Boston.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Tibs almost immediately, who wasn't when he was trying to be federal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, right, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was traded to the Dodgers and a move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't remember
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[SPEAKER_01]: who that was for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then Jordan Hicks was just traded, I think yesterday or this morning to the white socks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so again, if Buster had to trade the farm to get raffy devours, I don't think it happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that he said, you know what we could take on that contract.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to lose the farm and we can still rebuild the farm and we have a super star now and we could put people in the seats at the same time we're building the farm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do that and and so that was a great move that's a very savvy movie if you're just trying to build the farm but also not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: lose the gate at the same time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's important for San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for this ball park at UCBIMe, you want to fill it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a great place to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a better place to be when the team is winning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they're going to get back there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, I mean, this, this, it would be nice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, can you imagine if this team got 87 wins this year?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you make that jump in six wins and you go, okay, hey, there's starting to build something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're looking at free agents, too, that are also seeing that we're starting to build something and Buster knows what he's doing and moves are being made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, I want to be part of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Vitalo was a great manager this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, all high-pithetical, we don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to see Bochi said something in an interview with FBC and Tangelow that was really funny that I, you don't really think about, but he said,
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[SPEAKER_01]: 70 games in a season yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so that's kind of, you know, you see how you handle it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: After you lose 70 games, you lose 70 games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got a great season, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you won 92 if you lose 70 games, but you still have to lose 70 games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's 70 post games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're sitting there going, what could I have done different?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot to weigh on you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't think about that until he said that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I always thought that was kind of interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just the length of the season compared to what he's got to deal with is is a new thing for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the only other thing I want to mention, Elliot Ramos is playing for Puerto Rico in the world-based ball classics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So good luck to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess I'm less worried about him than I am with Logan Webb and, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: really good competitive ABs very early on and by the time he gets to the end of spring training and the Giants facing the Yankees on opening night he'll be he should be ready because he's going to be seeing everybody's best stuff coming out of the WBC.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you worried about Logan and all like what your thoughts on Logan?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that the Giants themselves were sort of down on
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not too worried about him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He takes good care of himself, he knows his limits, he's a horse and so, no, I'm not too worried about him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The one big injury that we always go back to is like, oh, pictures, pictures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was Edwin Diaz was celebrating the race and towards ACL.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how often is that going to happen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, no, I'm not too, I'm not too terribly worried about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, there's going to be so many baseball players.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so many really good players that you're just going to be in all of watching the WBC, but you're still rooting for Team USA and you know, but I'll start busted out my WBC cap during the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, we're like a month out before they actually play a couple exhibition games for the WBC starts at the end of the first week of March.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be a blast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the giants are going to kick off the baseball season on Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can see Yankees a few weeks after that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're closer than we realize when it comes to how soon baseball competitive real baseball is going to be starting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the WBC it's it's like an all a great all start game tournament and these all start games matter so they're they're not yeah, it's like playing you know lazy so it's it's competitive so that'll be a blast by the way, before we get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super will pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the first year in a very long time that I talked to Denise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, hey, what if we just go to like our local pizza joint during the game?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's probably going to be dead and we get some food.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we head over to, and we were going to go to beer and be, but they closed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Permanent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I want to have our favorite beer joints around this area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we might go there's this other place called whispering vine and just have, you know, a couple glasses of wine and just sitting there and they have one TV so we thought we're not going to go to watch the game, but just be rebels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and be out of the house, not watching the Super Bowl during the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would probably say, I would probably go with Seattle, I mean, I don't know if New England has what it's take to what it takes to hang with that team, you and I have seen, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Rams have seen them three times this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys have seen them three times this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, that's a tough team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I complete team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're a very well coach team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I can't see anybody taking down Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd love to see Cooper Cup get another ring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a, he's a good dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The, there's this thing about it though, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You and I,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can we theoretically root for Seattle?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, we hate Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can root for Cooper Cup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we support Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't real hate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's your favorite team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that whole thing, I was a team that beat us in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the team that beat us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Both of our teams in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't want to have our team games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those jerks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I kind of feel like this
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, like, how do they get so lucky to me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not like, well, when I watched them, I was like, they're not that good, but they're there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So do you think, do you think, label learn some, some quote unquote, tricks from Bellachick?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not telling their winning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it doesn't, it does remind, and now this is a little probably not so fun for you to think about, but doesn't it remind you of that Tom Brady team that B.S.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that beat the St. Louis Rams and the Los Angeles Rams.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, you know, our two Super Bowl losses in the last, you know, 25 years or whatever it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the team, that's Tom Brady.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those are the only time they've lost in the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I really wanted to rematch this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really wanted to go, I know it's not the same team, but McVeigh, beating New England in the Super Bowl,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, just kind of a nice redemption because he went into his first one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So wide-eyed, only scored three points, and just had such a tough time because he was overwhelmed by the whole situation, but this would have been his third Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So going into it, a little more relaxed, a little more okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go, but it was not to be, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't really root for either of these to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I'm rooting for pizza, and wine, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That sounds amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that might have to be the play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just pizza, and yeah, all right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm hoping places are dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I'm hoping like, oh, we can leave here like around four record because I want to see bad bunny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then go, you know, go have food and some drinks and come back and watch a little bad bunny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, we'll be back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see about next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If the Giants do something, we'll try and do another short show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Pictures and catchers reporting is nice, but nothing really happens, so maybe the following week for sure 100% when everybody reports, we may do a show then, but we're almost close to the point of where we're going to be back weekly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that'll be fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll take the time
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, kind of gear up and get ready for the season, but again, if something happens if all of a sudden, like Brad said, the giant sign for Amber Valdez, and in order to stay under that, uh, cap, or it's tech like not a cap, but they stay under that tax limit, um, they may have to ship out a couple of guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We may see like Luis Matos and, you know, other guys traded, though, you know, Matos doesn't make a lot of money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm trying to think of who they would have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't think there's anybody we can move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they would have to go over that first that first cap number that first tax number would ever to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here for Brad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm double G. We will see when we see you piece out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.
