Giants Out on Imai, In on Kyle Tucker? Wiemer Trade & Meccage | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: with Drosion, throws to Sandberg and the pitches proud of the second base, Thompson has it, throws the first, it's over 27 years of waiting, it built on it and then you're going to jump on the pen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look back to Thompson to Clark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How was your Thanksgiving bread?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just picking Turkey out of my teeth because I just got home from work and before I did the show, I was like, I need some protein.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, well, we got left over Turkey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it's good for, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, you eat Turkey for like a week, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I cooked a turkey at my parent's house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a 17 pounder, and we had,

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[SPEAKER_01]: had a lot of people over but we got some leftovers and yeah man I love turkey I just I love poultry fish not much over red meat eater anymore so anytime you uh give me a chicken or turkey I got kind of can't stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Turkey's good for the protein.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is very low on fat scale there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So depending on the diet, it works out well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a little bit of dark meat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of splurge on the dark meat a little bit, a little higher in saturated fats, which are not good for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, so only so much of the white meat that I can eat when it comes to turkey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm like, that dark meat is looking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of kind of juicy and fatty got to have myself peace so yeah splurge all right so well I was in Arizona hanging out yeah I'm doing that was I have Monday Monday morning to Monday evening and then Friday morning to Friday evening so lots of driving but it was it was good my kids were there

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[SPEAKER_00]: all my stepkids were there, my niece and nephew, my parents, my sister, my ex-wife, so the whole whole shabang was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how was Thanksgiving for the Giants?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure it was great because, who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, you know, there's some players out there who, I think we have a realistic viewpoint of whether or not the Giants are actually going to make big splashes for these guys, but I wanted to bring up the big two at least as far as the names are concerned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've talked about Kyle Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about him last time we recorded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two weeks later, are the giants really in on this guy or not in your opinion on Kyle Tucker?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a tough one, man, because we're getting all of this news the last couple of days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That the giants don't want to give money to pitchers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're getting to that, I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know about the Kyle Tucker front because

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giants fans and Giants brass know that the Giants have not had a big time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like, you know, star outfielder in quite a few years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jung Hulie was a splash.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They made him free, free agency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hasn't paned out defensively yet as the centerfielder they thought, I mean, he's still.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He made some great plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to a lot of baseballs that are hard to get to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we've seen from the metrics he may not be a centerfielder, he may end up being, you know, kind of a corner outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so get into Guy like Kyle Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to shore up right field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And be that guy who could hit 30 to 40 bombs a year, to steal you 20 bags, get on base, add him to divers, add him to a domis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know money-wise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I don't know, what was the predicted that we're looking at three or four hundred millions and four hundred thrown around?

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[SPEAKER_01]: 200 million probably to a pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think in you know, unless you look at it from this way that that we think we can get a lot of big bats to drive and runs, especially on the road.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this could be a killer road team if you had another monster back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at home, enough to drive in some runs and wins and ball games, and in that ball park, you can kind of get away with some short-term pitchers who would play well in the Giants Ball Park and New York, Oracle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you save your money for the bats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love for them to be in more on Kyle Tucker, then

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[SPEAKER_01]: than a big-time picture, I think, but that's just me because I want to see a scary line up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see them go into Dodger Stadium.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with a scary lineup, yeah, it's even going to, you know, Arizona with a scary lineup that that could possibly hit four or five home runs in a ballgame in that ballpark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't had that in a long time and I think we could have that if you had another, another bat like Kyle Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the reason why I bring up this is because I think it was today

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[SPEAKER_00]: said that the giants are one of three teams specifically mentioned as being interested in top free agent Kyle Tucker, but they will have to contend with both world series clubs, the Dodgers, and Toronto BlueJays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you remember two years ago, we were also contending with the Dodgers in the Toronto Blue Jays for another player who has turned out to be fantastic for the Dodgers in that was show hey Otani.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that Kyle Tucker is going to be as valuable as show hey Otani, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have two teams who were in the world series who are also looking for his bat in the lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're in good territory with the teams that want him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But history has shown that the giants are usually the runner-up or maybe even the second runner-up in races for guys like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have already said, and we'll talk about this in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've already said, at least the reporting has said, Andrew Beggarly, we'll talk about his article that came out today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That, you know, they're probably not going

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[SPEAKER_00]: to sign any starters for long-term contracts for big money, obviously, you don't sign the long-term contract for small money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they kind of poo-pooed that very early, and we're barely in December, and it's like, okay, well, now we know where we're shopping at, we're going to savers for our

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[SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that also mean that they're not going to sign?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to go big game hunting for offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because of maybe my trauma with free agents of the past, yeah, I kind of had to have a hard time believing that they're going to be able to go toe to toe with the Blue Jays and the Dodgers for Cal Tucker, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you just let Kyle Tucker very easily go to the Dodgers, you're just further creating distance between yourself and the team that is above you in the National Lake West.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is kind of a hard one for the Giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Should they contend for Kyle Tucker?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I say yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're a little, I don't know how hamstring they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have money, but if you look into things, one farhons, I eat, gave Blake's nela contract to where they are still paying Blake's nela this upcoming season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are paying Bob Melvin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had to buy out Tony Vatelo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are paying Tony Vatelo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is money that is not even really counted against

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[SPEAKER_00]: what we look at their numbers are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're a buster-pozy and if you're trying to defend yourself by saying, well, yeah, we may not go after the biggest fish this year, but we went after two of the bigger fishes, two of the bigger fish last year, and we traded for a giant fish during the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: thus if we don't go after Kyle Tucker this time like it's not because you know we we already did a lot of that work now that's not going to make the Giants fans happy or not especially if he signs with Dodgers and and I think that's the frustration is knowing that you're not only

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, you're not only trying to sign a guy possibly for your team, but you're also trying to play keep away with that guy because of the fact that, I mean, if you're called Tucker and the money's out there, dollar for dollar, you're probably going to the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why wouldn't you, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, I think there's an unknown variable in here, though, aren't

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[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, are the Dodgers going to want to pay full salary for a guy like Kyle Tucker?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they going to offer him, you know, big time deferred payments over the years is what they're doing, you know, with with everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, do they have the money to give him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: 40 million a year right now, I mean, they're the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They probably do, but do they want, like you said, do they want to be hamstrung?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do they want to have that salary around the book?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they offer them a deferred salary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he the type of guy who says, yeah, I want deferred salaries, so I can win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or is he the type of guy who says, no, no, no, I want to get paid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I want to get paid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still want to play for a winner, but I also want to get paid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that could be a variable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just kind of an unknown variable at this point that we just don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't really know what's going to happen in that case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish we had more information on stuff like that, you know, and in the next collective bargaining agreement, maybe we will have more information on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can only offer X amount of deferred money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It can only be maybe 10 to 20% of the contract,

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[SPEAKER_01]: 90% of the contract, or 98% of the contract, almost is what showhaze is getting deferred later on down the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd personally, I'd like to see something like that because it's a little bit more of a fair playing field, not for

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not that the giants couldn't offer, and they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They offered, show hey, the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The deferred payment's down the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think more fair playing field isn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Us fans have a little bit better idea of, well, is this a reality for this guy to come to us?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this a reality for him to probably go to a different team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do we really have a shot or is it a team that can defer

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[SPEAKER_01]: But 98% of the payments are they going to win out, so I think that's kind of where it plays in a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I think this is going to be like this for every upcoming off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it has been like this where the giants are just kind of like in the mix, but they're not clearly in the mix for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they can get the enormous in Chapman's who are maybe the next level away from that Tippy-Tippi top tier free agent, but they're living in those spaces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to take trades like what Buster did with Devours to get the top of the line players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's probably going to take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: get back into the playoffs, maybe for free agents to see them a little differently because free agents don't go, oh, 2010, I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they're like, no, I was eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, what do I care?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, you're looking at a come to an 83 win team or an 81 win team or a 79 win team and make us

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[SPEAKER_01]: a playoff contender.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that could be exciting for some guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen lately, though, you know, Blake's now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I want to go to a ready-made winner and I want to go there and pitch 11 games during the season and then pitch in the playoffs and win a world series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's some easy way out guys and and we want to see you know is somebody willing to come to the Giants to push us into the upper echelon and you know be a Cincinnati team that sneaks into the playoffs but not maybe not even sneaks into the playoffs but

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[SPEAKER_01]: solidifies us as a playoff contender year after year because the nationally west is tough and high-end sharpens iron and so you're going to get you're going to get to play in the best division in baseball as we saw last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get to get in there and battle and be a team that comes out and you're and your battle tested and ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say their name, but the national, a nationally West team has won the World Series the last two years, and we won't say their name, but either way that represents our part of vision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so the other big story we mentioned, Andrew Baggerley story, this has to do with

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... japanese starting picture tetsuya e-mai e-mail e-mai uh... i've actually haven't seen any television to uh... hear how his name is pronounced i'm saying yes uh... so uh... baggerly wrote that uh...

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[SPEAKER_00]: According to club sources, because of a number of financial considerations, the giant student not anticipate making the nine figure investment required to sign E-may, E-Mai, or any of the other top pitchers in the free agent market.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about some of those last time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ranger Suarez, Framber, Valdez, who's the one that I think would be just a perfect fit with this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then he wrote instead the club is focusing on more modestly priced alternatives they expect to sign at least one starting pitcher and they plan to add to their bullpen be on the one point four million dollar agreement in place with left handed reliever Sam Hentges who they just signed in the last couple or last week I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he, he also mentioned, but after splurging on $102 million shortstop, will he, a Domus last season and taking on more than 250 million while trading for corner, infielder, Rafael Devers and June, their current preference is to limit their spending to short-term deals, which means they are going to be shopping at savers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, and you know, if you,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you really believe the team can find players who may not, you know, Mike Yashremski is actually a fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, example of this, they shop at the basement aisle to get him and he turned out to be a fantastic player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But how many of those players actually come to fruition like, he has did not that many like, you'll see, you know, you look through the history of giants, roasters and there will be names that you're like, oh man, I didn't remember that guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you realize he was only there for like one year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think it's a little risky to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what they

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I hope it means is that they have faith in the current roster, and that they believe that there are guys do for bounce back seasons like a Elliott Ramos, you mentioned Junghulie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I was listening to F.P.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Santangelo's podcast, Splash Hit Dooratory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't checked how many I haven't checked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's in slussers on it from San Francisco Chronicle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's on it most weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's really good like you know there's some of it is fp's a little bit of a of a raw raw giant skies play for the giants but we need that you know we need that for sure also work for kmbr so he's he's done broadcast and stuff um

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[SPEAKER_00]: but he gives the players perspective, which is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love listening to the player's perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Susan is a fantastic reporter, so she gives the reporter side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's also pretty close to a lot of the players because she covers the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, it's a nice, it's a nice, quick listen to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, most of the shows are like 40 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they had meant they were talking about Junghu Lee's defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and he raided out 27th out of all center fielders in defensive metrics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they also mentioned that, you know, he only stole 10 bases and in 13 attempts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that, you know, they wonder how much of at least the stolen bases was just due to getting to know the league because this was his first full season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was he, he missed most of the season is rookie didn't really get a chance to settle in a hundred percent last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so I say that to say, if Buster believes that Jung who is kind of on the cusp, and maybe he believes Elliot Robles is going to have a bounce back, and you have Bryce Eldridge coming up, and you have Raphael Devers with the team,

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the full year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have a third year, Matt Chapman, second year, Willie Domest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, look, we invested.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have equity in this team from decisions that we made last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We still believe

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[SPEAKER_00]: those decisions were the right decisions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we need to let that play out before we go big game hunting and change the financial structure of this baseball team, we have to really see what we have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then maybe the idea is next year before the deadline, you know, that that would be another way to get in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do wonder, how much does it hurt?

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[SPEAKER_00]: to at least be publicly involved in some of these deals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's one thing to lose the deals, but it's another thing to just before free, you see, really even gets going, Dylan Seas made crazy money with the Blue Jays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is not a guy that I wanted if you heard our last podcast, but not through that money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But...

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does it hurt the giants as a team in this market to lose?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or does it hurt them to just not be involved at all?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really answer that question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just kind of interesting that they're like, nope, we're out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bagurly heard that from somebody and he sourced it and probably heard it from multiple people to go to print with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just seems like the giants are functioning, unlike a team in a giant market, and I'm not sure what that tells the fanbase or what that tells the free agents who, you know, who are out there going like, oh man, I thought the giants would kind of be in on this, like they're, you know, they want to compete.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why, why are they not involved in, you know, in looking at what I can bring to the table or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, that that is a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think more than anybody done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now me as a giants fan, you know, us as giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For me personally, I read the article and I was like, well, that kind of sucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I was hoping we were in on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted a picture out of Japan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I think it's good for the city.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's good for the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's good for the sport.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To have, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the top Japanese picture maybe come and choose the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to go against the powerhouse Dodgers who are full of Japanese players now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that would be kind of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that would be exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I would love to have another, you know, top line picture to go along with Logan Webb and Robby Ray.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that that would be great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think more than anybody, it probably hurt Scott Boris since he's his agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that kind of hurts him for the giants to just, and they didn't come out and say that this is from a source in the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I trust Baggherly, I mean, he's a great writer and he's a great reporter and I don't think he's one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if this was just on some random website, I would have said, yeah, I'm not, I'm not going for this, but the fact that Andrew Baggherly, you know, felt enough to actually print it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, okay, this is legit, it's happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's a little bit of a bummer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it kind of goes with the Giants theme the last few years in free agency that we are not going hard after starting pitching, especially long term seven eight year starting pitching in the article two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It also talked about how the Giants buster pose specifically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is not wild about signing players with opt-out clauses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As you see, we do not have Blake Snell on our roster right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are paying Blake Snell as if he was on our roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is kind of a bummer and I think Buster Posey does not like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to pay guys to be here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Scott Boris is an opt-out guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he has been a last few years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I think that plays into it more than anything else, not so much the long term deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the giants are probably willing, like a framer about Valdez.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who his agent is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably going to be Scott Barnes if I look into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's say he has an agent who isn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: who doesn't want an opt-out clause.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants a six or seven-year deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the giants might be in on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know a hundred percent until we see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it is pretty interesting to get that news right now though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, interesting, most definitely, but also a little sobering, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, not, and it's not that we believed that they were getting any of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we know better than to just be like, oh, giants are getting, you know, all these guys 100% know doubt in my mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that is not us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we know the reality of the situation that until they prove,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that they're going to be one of the better teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be a little hard and it has been hard since they since they won their their world series is and you know even when they were winning the world series they weren't able to necessarily attract the big name free agents they were able to draft well and they were able to make some trades and and that that helped you know that that was their way that was their key and and that would it would be great

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're back to do like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've got to worry about these three agents, but not necessarily the case right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so there is some news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some small bits of news coming out of the last couple of weeks that we were off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They non-tendered Joey Lucasey, and we were kind of wondering why, because he was very cheap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they were like well because we're going to get somebody else who's actually a little cheaper in Sam Hint just like we said and they signed him to a one-year contract on the 27th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We lost the niz and drew kids had he pronounced the name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I think it was Kizner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kizner just went.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just Kizner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, they, they designated him non-tendered him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, he was up with the team in different times over the year, uh, as the backup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they acquired Joey, uh, Weamer, Weamer, Joey Weamer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think it's Weamer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was right the first time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, back back when he was playing for the brewers, I believe it was Weamer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... they acquired him from my amy for cash considerations um... he seems like a vitalo guy uh... he seems like the kind of defensive player that that they are looking for i don't know if he's going to hit but uh... he was drafted by the brewers in the fourth round in the twenty twenty draft at a Cincinnati

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... he was a uh... a top prospect right away after his uh... twenty twenty one minor league season uh... power and speed kind of guy but then uh... coming up to the bigs uh... hasn't really had that pop off season yet uh... and then last year hit uh... a robust two-o-four which made him very expendable

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and so they're giving that this could be one of those moves that we were talking about, right, which is, you know, can you find a guy who needs a spot, needs a better place to to fit in or maybe a little bit less pressure, whatever, and that may be them right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that move happened, and then I don't think we mentioned this one, but they finally got

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... just a message uh... and the funky spelling of messages m e c c a g e

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[SPEAKER_00]: former pro back in the day which is kind of scary for us that, you know, he was drafted in 2002 and we were already posted age of being major league draft player available.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was an old guy already by then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, obviously he had some success, very, I think a lot of people think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... he had some success with uh... with uh... who's the miss uh... in in uh... in Milwaukee uh... yeah miss a rouseki uh... and so he comes to the giants from Milwaukee and is a vitalo guy as well so those are those are the last uh... last bits of of news as far as acquisitions and and hiring for the giants would you would you think of both of those

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think that's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Giants could use, you know, obviously some fresh eyes, especially on the pitching side of things, there's gonna be a new pitching staff basically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was looking at some of the free agent listings here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the, some of the starting pitching that's available and you're looking at guys like, and we talked about them last show, you know, Chris Bassett, gallon,

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[SPEAKER_01]: pitching coach to kind of go along with that and and especially the bullpen it's going to be read on you know starting with Henkis and that's a good deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 1.4 million for one year you get a lefty because you're probably not going to have the KC back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still would love to see Tyler Rogers come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean we know the success he's had and I'm sure Buster Posey

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, knows that that would be a great signing, signing to a couple of year deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be great for the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so to have a guy like message in there who's been in Milwaukee Brewer's organization, who's seen a lot of, you know, spot starts and starting pitching and bullpen changes in one not throughout the years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be, I think it's going to be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to know about two months into the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How we feel is Giants fans?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this working?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this not working?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to feed us some line of garbage that it's going to get better if things start out really poorly?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be the hard part and we'll be the critics of that as Giants fans as eyes on the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think our eyes are going to be more on Vitalo than they are going to be on anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pitching changes and different things happening, late in ball games, substitutions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How are they running the bases?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How are they playing the game?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's going to be more of our focus, but I think we're going to be looking at bullpen usage and starting pitcher usage pretty early on as well with a whole new regime in the dugout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to share some comments from a viewer who joined us last time, I'm going to share all three because I think there's a sentiment that is kind of coming from the fan base once listening to a reading bagger the internet and others.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So George says Greg Jones is not a winner, it doesn't have a competitive bonus body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as a giant fan who wants giants, who wants the giants to shop at the dollar store and try and sell tickets like we are shopping at Neiman Marcus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The giant's owners need to stop claiming poor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got devours and traded ticks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We only paying $15 million more this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need two starting pictures, two relievers, a closer and a set up man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We also need two impact bats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Giant's are still 60 million under the luxury tax, even with paying snow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can't get the players we need.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get at least three or four players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why can't they go over the luxury tax?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really embarrassing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And finally says if the giant signed Devon Williams or Robert Swarras at 17 million Tyler Rodgers at 10 Michael King for 23 that is that is 50 and they could even then trade for Stephen corner Joe Ryan so all of those things are very doable if that was the if the if the onus on the season was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we're all in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to make the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to compete for a title.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are all moves that you make, but in creating a pathway for success, for growth, for your scouting to do a lot of the work, for your GM to do a lot of the work,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, that is putting a lot of eggs in one basket and especially determining in using free agency as the way which is as we know is not always the way that teams get better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but I'm with George, like I understand the frustration with a lot of the fans right now based on

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[SPEAKER_00]: how much or how less or, you know, the amount that Greg Johnson is willing to spend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he's not the only one with skin in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's only, he's the majority owner, but he's not the only one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a private equity piece involved, and, you know, but at the same time, like you said, you've said in the past, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care, like it's not up to us to determine whether or not they can spend the money, like it's just right, you know, we just want to see a winner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're the fans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like I said earlier, we'll decide if it's a success or not, not not from the inside, if you're, you know, if you're 20 and 20 in your first 40 games and they're telling us, we have all the

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, coaching staff and everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll decide that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We see what's going on in the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And believe it or not, we're the experts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know how much baseball have we watched over the years and how many winners and losers have we watched over the years we know what we're seeing yeah and and you you could tell me I'm I'm going to see something else, but well, I'll let you know For sure All right anything in baseball that you wanted to chat about we talked about Dylan sees that

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[SPEAKER_00]: that was one that I would not have done because I just like that seems like a very glass now we move and I feel like glass now has had a better career than then sees or at least at a couple of better years than since.

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[SPEAKER_01]: what I hate about it is that it's set the market for starting pitching this season this off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I don't like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm kind of mad at the blue jays right now for doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at last year's deals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Dylan C says a lifetime one ten ERA plus, but he only had a 94 ERA plus last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was below average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you look at the deals that were done last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a, you know, what's an average of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm not going to get into the, you know, how much is it per year because, you know, sometimes the deals start out a little bit lower and then you go, let's just go A, A, V. That's 30 million a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for a guy with a 110 ERA plus and a 94 last year and he's 30 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you start looking at guys who have AAVs of around 30 million that sign last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Max Fried.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 8 years, 218 million, AAV of 27.25 per year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lifetime ERA plus a 141, and he had a 142 ERA plus last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now you're looking at Max Freed as a huge bargain, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't want to have to see teams go to sign Framber Valdez,

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[SPEAKER_01]: world's better than Dylan sees, I think, and all the numbers think as well, and he's going to be breaking the bank.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so that's where the giants are out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because when you start looking at those types of numbers, you think the giants are going to be out on the guy like Framber Bell Des because his agent was looking at Dylan sees his deal and he's showing other teams, Frambers numbers, and he's gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, we're topping that, aren't we?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you start to look at other deals from last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only other guys who are bargains last year so far, Nate Yavaldi 35 years old, three years, 75 million dollar deal with the Rangers, 106 ERA plus, you have a 2111 ERA plus last year and 22 starts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two, still two years left on that deal, 25 million a year, a Matthew Boyd,

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[SPEAKER_01]: signed a $2,29 million deal in just 34 years old, a $95 ERA plus $14.5 million, 14.5 million gets you a $120 ERA plus last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're looking at other guys who are not bargains Sean Manay last year same deal as Nate you've all the three years seventy five million lifetime ERA plus one hundred yet a seventy two ERA plus last year just in a bismal year Blake Snell again

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[SPEAKER_01]: stealing from from us stealing from the Dodgers lifetime ERA plus of 130 had a 177 ERA plus last year but only in 11 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got five years 182 says 36 million a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Corbin burns another one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he was the big one last year right six years hundred six years two hundred ten million so thirty five million a year lifetime one thirty two era plus had a one sixty three last year but only pitched in eleven games so i think that's that's probably where the giant's brass also sees those numbers and they're like you can give gigantic deals to guys who are

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, with with big ERA plus numbers in their lifetime career, but it doesn't mean as they get older, that those numbers are going to stay there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those numbers are just going to come down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, three out of like the 10 that I looked at last year were bargains, the rest were, you know, you could have given that money somewhere else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you give that money to a guy like Kyle Tucker, who you know, year in and year out is probably going to perform.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As opposed to a pitcher who's going to be up and down most likely, I can see where the giants are looking at that and saying, yeah, let's give the money to a better, let's give the money to a hitter to a fielder, somebody who's going to run the bases and stay off of a guy who's going to pitch every fifth day and let's go get a guy for three years, three years, 75 million.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 3 years, 70 million who can give us an ERA plus of 105, you know, that's kind of a bargain when you look at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the, you know, there actually has been some some activity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can just go through some of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Carnal's traded sunny gray to the red socks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it looks like they're trying to trade Aronato next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the Met's traded for Marcus Simeon exchange for Brandon Nimo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, that was an interesting trade and then also some relievers are off the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah, there's stuff bubbling, but, you know, nothing, I think people are just waiting to cease, was a big person, big one to come off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Schwarber Tucker, those are going to be some bigies in that that's when you know things are going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of folks are waiting for those big dominoes to fall before we see more activity have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it, it, it, it boba shed is out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Braggman, Alonzo, I mean, they're so many big names.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to start happening soon, I would imagine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these guys too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we've seen over the last couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of these guys want to get locked up and be done with before the holidays hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to go through Christmas, not knowing where they're going to be, not knowing where they're going to set up shop and have to buy a home and all of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we may see some movement here fairly soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, for you and me, we'll play this by ear if there's a news coming out next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can be back next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If not, we may take a week off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll all be dictated by what goes on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do want to have an episode before Christmas because I think my idea and I'll let you think about this kind of preview it here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What will each pick three players for the other person?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what do we want that player to get for Christmas, to improve their season for next year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it could be, you know, if you are a fan of trying to think of, think of somebody, if you're a fan of Casey Schmidt,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You, you could say, well, I wish him a more consistent bat because if you had a consistent bat, he'd probably get every day, where we could save some money and free ages.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We wouldn't have to be, he'd be, he'd be, he's, yeah, yeah, because he's locked up, I mean, he's a young dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's locked up for many years to come with arbitration and everything else going forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, we'll do that before before Christmas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we'll figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we'll be back next week or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If so, if you're looking for some stuff to happen, maybe the giants make a move here there and then we'll come back and talk about it on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For Brad, I'm double G. We will see when we see you piece out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.