Bryce Eldridge Promoted: SF Giants Pivot Strategy After Brutal Road Trip | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thompson Clarke is back after what I called one of the most disappointing weeks in San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure to think about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whenever I've been this bothered with this baseball team, there were some times when I thought that they may have played pretty poorly in big series over the last couple of years,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, after the world series teams, when it just looked like they were not good, but I had such a frustrating week that I stopped actually watching the games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I went on strike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just I watched the highlights of them just to keep up and I still read everything, but yeah, I'm not watching these games because they need to know how frustrating they they make me and I'm pulling back I'm not watching and then they go out and keep losing more game so now I don't know what to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think you have to watch tonight tonight's kind of must see baseball first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to do I go back on my word.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you're, yeah, they're doing they're you're in everybody's in everybody's excited to see was happening to that that's exactly what they're doing to you got a big things up the fans were getting frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were like, I got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to do something to get people to watch tonight against the podries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This whole series actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're you're talking about the giants recalling Trevor McDonald's, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Trevor McDonald and then and then adding curly fries to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about Bryce Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who is up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, hey, Sue's registry is also up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of them in the lineup tonight and starting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're recording this before the game happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So by the time most folks listen to this, the game will be over and I'll still either be really angry or I will be less angry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping for less angry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, well, what if they, what if they lose five, four and and Eldridge hits on run?

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[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't walk or give up another lead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's not go that far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't have everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So how did we get here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like kind of like the question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like one of those, you know, sometimes when a movie will start with the ending, and then it'll go, we need it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to know how we got here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they go back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so basically, basically, every how I met your mother episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly, it's wake up with a pineapple next to the nightstand and I'm going to tell you the story about how that got there exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it was because, you know, coming out of that Dodger series where we take two out of three, we're like, okay, this is how we have to win baseball game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We score three runs, they score zero, and we're good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you beat your rival and things feel a lot better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... early this week or at early last week

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[SPEAKER_00]: Things seem to be getting me like, oh, Philadelphia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just fired their manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they feel like they're the worst team in baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's just double up and let's pounce on these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we took out a three from Miami too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or from England.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so it's like you beat the marlins in a series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You beat the Dodgers in a series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two hot teams and going into the end of the show last week, we were like, hey, I'm gonna be super happy if we go foreign too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and now in those six games and we did we went foreign to sort of very excited going into the end of Philly Tuesdays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they lose the first game and it wasn't really a close game Tyler Malley he pitched well for a little bit but you know those alio ramos routes and left field are starting to get interesting again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are a couple that I was just like, dude, where are you going?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how are you chasing this space ball?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are you seeing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, do you need glasses?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, Ramos lets a ball drop in front of him and then it goes behind him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's another one where, I don't even remember if this is the same game, but it was the same series where he goes back on a ball and turns around and gets all turned around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: hits off the wall and so you're just like, okay, this, this is looks a little bit like last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if he was hitting, then you're like, you can kind of deal with this, but when he's not hitting, then it just exposes it even more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they lose that first game and it wasn't all that close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the second day, the Wednesday gets rained out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So sets up a Thursday double header.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first game of the Thursday double header is what caused me to go on strike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because Ryan Walker gives up the lead, Logan Web, staked out a two to one lead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Logan Web did give up a pretty large home run to Shorber though, that thing, that thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, Logan Web did what Logan Web does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He gave up a few hits, got a few strikeouts, got out of jams, got them the lead, handed the ball off to your relievers, and then Walker gave the game away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's hard to say that he got clobbered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was some balls that got hit hard, and then there's balls that

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like just out of reach to arise and just out of reach to a domas and so it's like some of those balls are also finding holes, but the problem is

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[SPEAKER_00]: is he's not getting the strikeouts that he once got a couple of years ago, which made us go like, huh, with Rogers who throws submarine and then you have Walker who has this other look that and he can actually throw hard and his slider comes off different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now it doesn't really seem like the the the the batters are all that fooled by what he does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They seem to be pretty dialed in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that that's really frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vitello's insistence on going back to Walker trusting him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that stops now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that ends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope Walker stops getting the high leverage innings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope he goes more to a fifth or a sixth inning guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's where you need to have him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He seems like

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[SPEAKER_00]: he just can't handle it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, we always go back to last year where he's like, yeah, I'm just not pitching well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should not be pitching in these moments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, yeah, he's telling him in these moments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're seeing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He loves like, you know, hey, he's our guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like, okay, great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem is they don't have anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they just had to put

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eric Miller on the DL today to bring up McDonald, so there was a guy who has been pitching halfway decently in some of these high-level Jennings, and now you don't have him anywhere, which tells me, okay, this look, I think he's has to go back to Walker in some of these games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then game two,

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[SPEAKER_00]: they also lose in a bit of frustrating fashion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the time the race series came to town, or they went to the race, they went to Tampa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, I've, I've no feel for this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are one of the most boring baseball teams I've ever seen in my life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I watched in 1985, 100 loss giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like my second year of watching baseball a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those guys seem to be a little bit more lovable than these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's really hard when you can't even get behind your guys

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[SPEAKER_00]: who's the personality like who's the who's the one where you're like you know what like for instance they did they did the brand in belt uh would what they retire his uh his number or whatever what did they do with belt the yeah it was just brand in belt day uh i don't know if he went into the walk of

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[SPEAKER_01]: fame or the wall of fame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um usually that's kind of like the wall of fame, you know, you deserve money, but like yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all the famous usually do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it was just a brand of belt day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, who's the Brandon belt on the team, who is going to be so goofy that half of the fan base loves him and half of the fan base hates him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does anybody on this current team that has a personality?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they're so buttoned up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess maybe that's why you sign the manager that you did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but he's looks like he's the rookie in in he's the freshman in high school and people are shoving him in is in the lockers like that's what he looks like right now and you can't do anything because you sign them to a huge money deal so yeah i'm like trying to figure out what can i latch onto who can i latch onto and go like you know what no matter what at least we have this guy

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that, I mean, when you look back at the series in Colorado last year, where the giants started kind of rolling, because you said, you know, you said at the beginning of the show, this is the worst baseball you've seen in a long time, the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: July and August last year was extremely painful, like that was two straight months of just terrible baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giant's completely fell out of contention.

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[SPEAKER_01]: everything was was awful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, nothing was was as bad in a row that we just saw in in this six games, but there there was some really bad baseball in July and August and then they started rolling they went to Colorado they started rolling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and I think winning just brings that out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Drew Gilbert was brought up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was lovable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were enjoying watching him and the dugout biting Pat Burl's arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and just watching him go crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The team is not winning right now, so it's not amplified.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're just kind of trying to

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did a little bit, really a dumbest, I think I'd called out by a fan, I saw something on Reddit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How real is it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was on Reddit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody was saying they were at the Cincinnati series and they were laughing about, you know, it was a game they were losing, it was laughing and they said, you know, you haven't funny, you said, yeah, are you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, unreported, it was on Reddit, it was just a thing that came up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, that type of stuff is like, yeah, you kind of want to hide the fun a little bit right now because you're not having fun the team is, you know, eight games under 500.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just playing bad baseball at the moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if they get rolling again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Devers looks like he's having fun out there when the team is winning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Adomest does, Gilbert does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All those guys look up there having a good time when they're winning Patrick Bailey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't tell you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: if you put him in front of you and and he just won the lottery or just uh you know his house got ripped away by tornado.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you could tell the difference on this face either way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then there's guys like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Elliot Ramos would hit to home run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's jacked again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to hit home runs to get jacked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did have one stolen from him in Tampa Bay, which was terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The stupid catwalks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and the absolute horrible stadium there that dome stadium is an abomination.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wish that when the roof was ripped off a couple years ago, they would have just demolished it and started over with a whole new stadium.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think I think what's the team starts winning?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to see those personalities again and we're going to enjoy it and vital is going to start having fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just a matter of

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say if, but it's a matter of when, because I think this team can pull off some wins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they can win three or four on a row again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could go seven and three in ten games like they just did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This team is capable of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're wildly inconsistent as the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if we're going to see that consistent fun out of this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In nowadays too, you've got social media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If a team is losing and they're having fun, it's blasted all over the place and people hate that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they don't like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when we were kids, when we were watching the 85 Giants, and they were losing, but we were watching Chili Davis break a bad over season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was personality, it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We loved it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get angry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I tried to reach into that a little bit more and stay away from social media when they're losing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go on there when they're winning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they're losing, I try to stay away from social media because I don't really want it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, see the the the mass of a man on negativity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I already know the team's not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm trying to find like stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to watch the games every night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a baseball fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the giants and then that's just the way it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's my escape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love I love the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to find stuff in each game just to say like, okay, this guy, okay, that guy, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I'm excited about these moves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the problem is happiness is a product of expectations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I didn't think that they were going to have a good season, I would not really be all that fired up because you just don't, if you don't expect them to be good and they're not playing well, you're like, well, this is kind of what I thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: players that Buster Posey and by the way, if his name was like Grant Jones and he had just had a beard, it would be Buster Posey would be the one that the fans would be calling for his head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's very, he's very lucky that he is Buster Posey in the fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely, you know, this fan base absolutely loves him deservedly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's an interesting one because

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Vitello thing is it's just kind of goofy to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, like whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he adds anything or detracts for anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just a guy right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I still don't understand half of his experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't, I honestly don't know what he's saying at the time when he comes on for his post gamers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I even try reading.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, maybe I just won't watch him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has read the quotes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Reading the quotes is even worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's going on at the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a well measured person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He like, I can't tell what he's trying to get across other than the raw raw adaboy stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But these are busters guys, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Devers, Chapman, Adamus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the guys who you are relying on the heart of the order to crush the baseball and to tell the rest of the team, hey, get on my back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the guys who aren't doing a good job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So is that a buster thing he bet on the wrong guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He invested in the wrong guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it all of these guys are just randomly in a slump at the same time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chapman is hitting okay just not hitting for power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a domus, well, I love a domus' personality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I even predicted that

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[SPEAKER_00]: the dominance was going to be the stir that are the straw that stirred the drink because of his infectious energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that straw can't be hitting under 200.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't work that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, your your your guy who's like leading the charge can't also be an awful AB, a four out of four, four times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And look, I have him on a fantasy team as a backup shortstop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: anything other than four trillion in my fantasy box score.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They go for the good all over for four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're also almost what 35 games into the season pretty close and he's driven in six runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's rough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's there's zero clutch in the production, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing that that's most frustrating to watch it's not so much that, you know, when nobody's on base he's striking out ugly or this and that it's in key situations, where he's just not getting the job done and it's you've got to throw them one pitch fast ball above the numbers that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: again, like I, I, we joke about Vatelo because he's an easy guy to talk about, but this might just be a roster thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It may just be Buster signing the wrong guys or trading for devours and, you know, I don't think anybody, even the biggest giants hater would have thought that all three of these guys would just not be, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: producing at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, maybe in the next 15 games, they'll find it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the way it's trending, it doesn't, you know, it doesn't look like they're going to have the really good seasons that we expected from them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you got to, some of it is you got to wait and see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And some of it is what buttons can Vatello push.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does Chapman

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[SPEAKER_00]: a series off and all of a sudden watching Casey Schmidt take ground balls and also hit the baseball is that put a fire under him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And neither of those guys are getting an off day tonight at least in the first game in the Padre series here on Monday night, but but they're hitting six and seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're they're not, you know, to have to do it six

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're hitting six and seven and and so at least push them down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got, you know, he pushed the other guys up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The guys who are hitting, you've got jungle Lee and then you've got Schmidt, Hariz, Ramos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the guys hitting the baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're going to put all those guys together, maybe you're going to start driving in some runs and maybe that works, but yeah, they don't have a night off on this first night, but they're going

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just he's dialed in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's hitting the baseball at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to slow down But you know right now you just can't take him out of the lineup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's gotta be those guys I know they're making a lot of money, but again It's professional baseball

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you're sending a message.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Buster Posey said something earlier, too, and a quote that I saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said something about Casey Schmidt is gonna keep playing right now, because you don't wanna punish the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the other guy is not hitting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it almost feels like he's sending a message if we sit you right now, it's a punishment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't like that wording as much as I like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we sit you right now, it's to reset you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to reset.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to think about maybe a different approach, get into the cage, maybe think about something different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: hands down, you know, something, you know, maybe there's a hitch, maybe there's something going on in the swing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and maybe sitting one game will kind of be an eye opener, but I don't like the word, you know, you can't punish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Schmidt, because then you're basically saying, and then if we sit somebody else, we're punishing them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not a big fan of that, but, you know, it's just me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: even if he said it a little bit more elegantly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guys will know what it actually is, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guys know I'm not producing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never been benched in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a benching, you know, but I put a Domestock to, a Domestock to bench his last year, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he'd sit down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he sat down one game before a day off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we had two games off and then came back to Colorado and just crush the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, maybe there's a reset in there and they understand what a reset is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they just, I just don't like waiting to do that, I'd like to see one of them having sat tonight, just to say, look, we, I wonder if you don't sit them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's Bryce's first game, and you don't want to make it look like Bryce's some savior, like he's going to come save save, right, it's like he plugged Bryce in because you think Bryce can help and let's let's continue to roll now you know it will be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is if there was some frustration shown like I know you, you know, you're like, yeah, divers in the Domest, you know, they're good natured and they seem to be having fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad they're having fun because I'm absolutely not having a blast watching them strike out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is something to like, hey, man, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you should get pissed off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I know Devers did hit a ball that was at Chandler Simpson who went up against the wall and crashed into the wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody in left field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then dropped it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he hit that good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I completely thought it was going to be caught by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm glad he got I'm glad he got it, but you know, hopefully something like that where you get a little bit of a break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it kind of ignites something right now he's just got to make more contact for one both of these guys all three of these guys they just need to make more contact they strike out so often.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that the moves we should mention the move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Bryce Eltrich, he's who sort of your guess, come up, going down is Will Brennan, who has, is that his last option?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know, or does he have another one left?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is his last option year, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he can come up and down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can come up and down all season long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think five times max though, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't see it's getting to five times on one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that would be rough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be rough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Farhan is not here anymore, so I don't get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in Kronocione, the DFA, which when you're not playing the guy,

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[SPEAKER_00]: it just feels like they already figured out what they thought about him by not even playing him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like there are opportune times

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[SPEAKER_00]: to hit him against left handed pitching and they just chose not to and I was like, okay, why is he here like that's his main reason to be here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know he got a really kind of bad luck ground into a double plan, a ball he hit, you know, he didn't hit it on the nails, but he had a good swing on it and I just hit it right third basement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like tough stuff like that, but also

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just this like chain of moves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, you want it in Karnasio on on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You wanted to leave it on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then you had to get revmatoes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matoes hasn't caught on with anybody else either by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so there's just like these chain of events.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, what if.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What if we had drew Gilbert like right at a spring training instead of you know these like those so they're a chain of events of things that have happened and this is all on the roster and it's I know it's Buster and it's a menace and it's in it's Vitello as well and

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[SPEAKER_00]: rightfully so you're going to go through some growing pains with this new regime, but like you said, 35 games in, okay, the training wheels are off like we need to go and we had to bring up a guy who Buster Poseys said, not that long ago to Tim Kawakami.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that they are not thinking of him as coming up this early and that is Bryce Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they pushed the O shit button on this season to change the course of a guy who was still striking out way too much in AAA and hoping that he doesn't just get figured out very early on because that would be really bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you don't want to ruin the guy and I'm sure Keith Laws probably just going what the effort they doing because that's what he said last year too when they did have a spring training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did have a month and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in AAA so he has a little bit more in terms of of of scene pitches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I'm happy to see in our chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a hruku hitoki because he is the you remember how they used to call the giants fan base like the lunatic fringe yes uh and it's like we have this like smooth this this like very negative set of the fan base but this is

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[SPEAKER_00]: like this is a Rukus time like this is what that that's what I was feeling now I wasn't calling him Matt Crapman like But I you know, he this is the time to to really complain about this baseball team because They lost games that they should not have lost all week long and if you let's say you win two out of those or maybe even three

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not sitting seven games behind the third wild card after 35 games, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're feeling a lot better about yourself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of the other things that are currently going on with the team, Eric Miller goes to the DL, or the IL, sorry, the IL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Walker, not pitching well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Keaton win throwing was at seven splitters in a row before they they couldn't get somebody So that's a whole other thing Who are like who are we blaming that and blame who who is what is the reason is that a Patrick Bayley call I've seen the writers say that that's a Patrick Bayley call I I

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember them talking earlier this season about how they're going to do a lot more of this dugout calling the pitches kind of stuff we talked about that before I like I don't know if feels like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe are we blaming?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it Bailey's call?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could shake off the dugout coach if you want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know why you would have, you know, why you would have walker throw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many ever two seamers in a row?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you would have will win throw seven splitters in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That just seems odd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it like a

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[SPEAKER_00]: did anyone talk to him about this like I feel like they're needed to be a conversation about what was going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I felt like Vatela said, well, message, you know, we're kind of going with what message was doing and then Ryan Walker was saying, well, I don't, I don't shake anybody off, so I was just going with Bailey was doing and Bailey was saying, well, I had confidence in the pitches, so I didn't want, you know, confident in my pitchers making pitches, so I didn't want to really shake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just kind of felt like everybody was very apprehensive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like you can't it's major league baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't really be apprehensive when you're attacking a batter with the game on the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you have to really, you know, I'm gonna say it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you got to nut up and you got to figure out like, hey, I just threw a bunch of sinkers here or or or two seamers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My slider is really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know they're calling for another one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure what the hitters looking for, but I like this pitch, and I'm gonna back foot them and see what I could do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think I can get them on this pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there just was, I just felt like there were four people involved in both of those situations and nobody took charge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the part of it I don't like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, if somebody took charge and said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted seven splitters in a row right here because Schwarber can't hit splitters and he was having a tough time catching up to them and eventually we're going to get him on a corner or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take charge, have a plan and stick to that plan and go for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was kind of all the answers were a little wishy-washy and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when the team is not playing well, there are stories like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are scenarios like that where people do not seem to be on the same page because if they were on the same page, James wouldn't be on a six game losing streak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, getting swept on the road.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, if even if you are on the same page and that's happening, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm okay with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's just

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that when you aren't on the same page and you are losing, it just kind of seems like, it just kind of seems like a crap shoot like everything's just, alright, we're going to stick this line up out there today, see what happens or we're going to throw nine splitters in a row and see what happens because, you know, everybody and you kind of saw that in the Dodger series when when when.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when Ryan Walker was staying away from the slider, I thought, why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just pitched in two games and didn't throw the slider, but once maybe in both of those games combined, I thought it was really weird that we just didn't see the slider, or maybe it's not a couple times, two, three times, but none of them were in the zone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of them were maybe a foot off to play and I thought that this is getting kind of weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then sure enough, in that series in Philadelphia, it's just no sliders to be seen whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when you're thinking, well, you know, Ryan Walker sliders is not doing what it should be doing, or let's go away from it, because maybe it's going to surprise everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's getting too cute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's getting to trying to outsmart everybody and it's just not worth it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about Bryce Eldridge and to a smaller extent, hey, Jesus Rodriguez, what do you think the plan is for Bryce?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could you got to play him just about every day?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you afford to play both Devers and Eldridge against left handed pitching?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just throw them out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One's gonna de-H, one's gonna play first base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think we talked about this a boom probably about a month ago, like when the season was just going to start and we were talking about him coming up, I still think you can sit Eldridge now and then he's not going to face the lefty every single time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to need to to sit against a lefty every now and then so you kind of have that luxury to say look it's built in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're not going to play every single game, but you're going to play 90% of the games or 85% of games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think still 85% of Major League seen Major League pitching is better than just continuing to crank it out in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now he does have 20 walks in AAA this year in 30 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's...

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does the entire lineup have 20 walks?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I, I'm not really sure, but so he has seen the ball better and he's walking a lot more lately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So 30 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got 41 strike ounce and 20 walks and a 33 average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's put in the ball and play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think he doesn't need to see Major League pitching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I don't think this is a wave the white flag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: situation either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you did say earlier you said you don't think they're the answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't think elderidge and Rodriguez are the answer, but I don't know what the question would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I don't think like if the question is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're bringing these guys up to inject life into this lineup, life into this team and to look to the future that then yes, they are the answer if the question is, you know, can can we bring these guys up and they can boost us into a playoff spot, no, that's absolutely not the answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we can't look at Bryce as the savior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a Connor Griffin like prospect to where you're like the students 20 roll them out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to, he's just going to, we're going to let him play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's not the style of player that Bryce Eldridge is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't even position in high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's, you know, so there, there's going to be some learning things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he hits, you deal with everything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he doesn't hit,

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[SPEAKER_00]: then what do you do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's more along the lines of my question about, can you just play him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because A, you don't, you know, the giants already make more outs than everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And B, you don't want him to get down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You still want to develop him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is not a finished product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen what they've done in the past with our tipy tipy top prospects.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Luciano was was was at one point like the number two prospect and all a baseball or the number four prospect and all basal something like that

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[SPEAKER_00]: they had no idea what to do with him and then he just gets eaten up when he comes to the big leagues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joey Bart, unfortunately for Joe, he had to play during that pandemic season because Buster was like, sorry, guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I got, I got babies to take care of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then you seem to have any other players to bring and so Joe Bart is like, he's got to be the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so they have not handled these guys well of late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a chance to do this right with Bryce.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know that Buster was hopeful that the offense would just generate enough fronts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'd be competitive and he could go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could tell Bryce dude, just just go play and triple A all year long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't even need you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and that didn't happen and now all of a sudden he's up as the engine or the life or whatever you want to call him because the offense is so poor right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see this dude Will Clark style come up first, you know, just right tonight jack, you know, yeah, even if no one Ryan is on the other on the on the on the mound for for will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just don't want to have that expectation for him because he's just a he's a very young dude and he you want him to be able to blossom on his own rather than be forced into these into these responsibilities, but let's talk about Rodriguez what do you think about Rodriguez, you know if he hits I don't what do you do with Bailey if he starts if he hits and Bailey doesn't hit

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, that's a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Rod Reakens is my type of player, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's hitting three, 30, also down in Triple A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can play multiple positions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a big power guy, but he hits the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we saw him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when we saw it, when we were looking at highlights and then we were looking at Triple A highlights when he came to Sacramento last year, when the Giants made that trade, part of the Camila devaltrade with the Yankees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: we were we were looking at them like a my god he's got a quick bat it is just lacing line drives all over the place i think it is first game it was like four for four it's kind of ridiculous um but i i don't know everything i've seen everything i've read is that he is not necessarily ready for big league catching um

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's going to be your spell guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, I hate to see him just be up until beta gets back and then he's gone again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see him get some consistent playing time too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, you've got so many veterans on this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in case he Schmidt kind of put a monkey wrench in everything, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: By becoming the dude when he started hitting

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were like, oh, now we've got another hitter and we signed Louisa Rise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This should be our second baseman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we love Louisa Rise, but he's only here for one year, but he only signed with the Giants because the Giants were one of the only teams that said, you can play a second base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now what do you do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it would be a luxury to be able to put Casey Schmidt at second base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and have Eldridge at first and devours your DH, but then you take a rise out of the lineup and you can't really do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can have Rodriguez spell guys at second, he can play third, he can play left fields, so he can spell Ramos, but then Ramos started hitting too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that one, I like the versatility off the bench.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, again,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no stat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no anything that says like this guy is a prototypical great bench bat, you know, he's a fantastic pinch hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You you discover that by having them do what pinch hitting and and you know, he's either going to go well or or not go well and when we're for us just happen to be like the dude with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so, is Rodriguez a good bat off the bench?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know, is he a guy that can spell some outfielders?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can have Drew Gilbert play center field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can have Ramos, you know, DH, and then you could have Rodriguez in left, and that gives somebody else a day off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Rodriguez can also play third he can play I think I'm not sure if he could play first base But I know he has played second base and I know he has played catcher But Sue sack I'll be back in a week or two So that one again as much as I like it I think that one's a little bit harder for me to say well, where are you going to find spawns for him because you got the guys in those spots who are starting to hit except for Chapman But again

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[SPEAKER_01]: How long can you sit, Chapman, not more than a game, how long can you sit devours and Adamas, really not more than a game that those are veterans who need to get the back going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that one was a little bit a weirder for me, but again, it's to inject life and say, if you're not hitting, we're gonna bring up somebody who is hitting and that's just how we're gonna do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If what comes out of this current exercise is that you find out who Rodriguez is and who he can be for this team, maybe he's another case of Schmidt, maybe he's a better hitter worse defender than case of Schmidt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what you want to do is you want to figure out like, okay, is this guy a roster piece for now and for the future?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is we know what, we know what they think about Bryce.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They think the world of the guy, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have a lot of hopes in him to change things up and to maybe be the number four hitter in that lineup for years to come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this, you know, this Rodriguez thing is is, it's really about discovery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, it might be a little bit of a win for Buster and Managing because of the trades that they made last year that none of us were all that happy about in the midst of trying to make the playoffs, but you did get some guys from those trades.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this would be a nice, positive, a nice little win for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just hopeful that Rodriguez can come in and actually do some fun stuff because man, we've had so much negativity, so much bad news on guys not performing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he comes out there and you're just like, oh my gosh, that guy was going to be good and he's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then it's like another negative thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of the perfect player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to get behind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For in a season like this, like if he becomes all of a sudden you see him like take an extra extra base on a pass ball, you're like, whoa, like he's, you know, he's aggressive or what, that's that stuff that stuff that you can get behind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess to end this,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to end this negativity and maybe next week, we'll come back and I won't be so frustrated with this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got your positivity side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do the negative side for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got the optimism side for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a nice end in Yang here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you said early on, you know, we're 35 games in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you've seen so many giant teams of yesterday, all through the spectrum of great out of the gate, average out of the gate, terrible out of the gate, and I didn't even think we were terrible out of the gate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought we were playing okay until this last stretch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think is

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[SPEAKER_00]: like what is what what is what are expectations expectation should be right now should we still think that they are a possibility for that third spot in the wild card should 500 now be a goal uh... or are they still a good baseball team are they still a team that just has not

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have, they have, this is the worst of them for let's entire season that we'll see and the best is yet to come.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it to, oh man, we've seen so many different versions of this team in 30.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like we already played an entire season, because we've seen so many different versions of this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen so many bright spots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen so many dark spots of like, you got to fix that because, again, even when they won the Dodgers series, even when they won

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[SPEAKER_01]: six games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You still sat there going, we don't have a closer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have guys who can, you know, we can, we can sit there and really rely on in the seventh eighth and ninth, like other teams, we go against, I swear, I feel like every team we go against, they go, well, you better hit this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: starter early because their bullpen is nasty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't we don't I I want to go into a ballpark and have the fans go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We we do not want to get to this bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's such a strength of a team and we had that for a few years and so that's why it's like it's it's extremely frustrating right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So without a good back-end bullpen and Eric Miller's on the IL, Santos came up, can he be a closer?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't, we have all these guys that we have no idea if they could be a closer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this, I'll tell you how it feels because I'm, you know, in our fantasy league, I had Ryan Walker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I dropped him and picked up Cale and Killian, and then I dropped Killian because I was like, well, maybe it's going to be Eric Miller.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then after I pick him up, he goes on the IL, like two hours later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know who else to pick up because I want a giant's closer, but I just don't know who that could possibly be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's what's going to hold this back where eight games under 500 right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a good goal for this team is to get back to

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then at that point, see who you are and what you've got, I can't even fathom a playoff spot at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm more looking at the future right now because again, first year for Tony Vitalo, Bryce Elders just coming up today and this better be that he's here to stay the

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the rest of his career until he moves on from the giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, if he goes back down to triple A and two months, it would feel like a failure, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be a little more negative thing about this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot bring this guy up, bring him back down, bring this guy up, send him back down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't do that at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's up here to stay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that should be also a wake-up call for the rest of the guys to say, all right, the number one prospect is here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to put on a show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to show him how to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to teach him, let's go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's here to help us not to be our savior, but we need to show him and we need to be a supporting cast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, getting to 500, when we get to 500, I'm gonna get those New Year's Eve poppers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the streamers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we get back to 500, I'm going to be ecstatic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get some champagne to pop the bubble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a poor poor another bourbon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have two bourbons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As always, whenever I feel bad about this team, I like talking about them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it doesn't mean that I'm like back on the raw raw giant train.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I do obviously want to see them win every single time they're on the field, but they just play

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so far, though, these 35 games, they don't hit the pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The starting pitching is okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can get behind their starting rotation, but going into the season and not having a defined, defined roles for your bullpen and just going like, we're going to wait and see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was maybe the biggest mistake that they made all the time, like the things with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Devours and Chapman and Domus and though in them not hitting that that's not an actual decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just underperforming from a decision standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have this brain trust that was like, Hey, we're going to roll into this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to have a bunch of dudes in the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to have any standout guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to have any defined roles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're just going to figure it out as it goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the biggest mistake so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's got to be some arms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could trade some low-level prospects for there's guys out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't really trust that Vatelo is utilizing his bullpen to the best of their capabilities so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not obviously not Bruce Bochie out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And remember, Hank is on a as on a rehab assignment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Hank gets his going to come in and sounds like he's coming soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that in Santos, we don't really know what we have in Santos yet, but he really sparkled in spring training, and they wanted to give them a little bit more time and triple A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I think we might be okay in the bullpen right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a terrible bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, I'm not comfortable on this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have a five-nothing lead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what have we said the last couple of years?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just want to see competitive baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to have to see a 100 win team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're not a world series or bust.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's like expectation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, you don't have that in baseball anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, if you finish 500, two games over 500, five games over 500, five games under 500.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're competitive and you're not making mental mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But everything else took a step back and and that's the biggest problem right now that the defense stepped up and everything else on the team just said well Defense has got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just watch them and and it doesn't help your your pitching is rough your your starting pitching is rough your your

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[SPEAKER_01]: bullpen is rough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're hitting his rough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your stolen base is walking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just getting on base in general is his rough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just want to see competitive baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we lost five to four every night, but it wasn't because we blew it in the ninth inning, but because, you know, we just fought and played well and our bullpen was good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I can stomach that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just can't stomach the

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[SPEAKER_01]: The three games on the road trip, this team should have been three and three, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not oh and six, they should have been three and three, no problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just one key extra base hit here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One key strike out from the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, preaching the choir, we all know this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what is the schedule like this weekend?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we have San Diego.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh here for three and then we have the pirates here for three over the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw this on the schedule, you know, May 24th what what day that is for uh for the giants giveaways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's two days after it comes after the movie comes out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is Mandalorian and Grogo a movie you will actually go to the theaters to watch?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, this will be my first time in the theaters and when did Incredibles 2 come?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, that's how I can tell you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that was 2018.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think this will be the my first time in the theater since 2019, December when I saw Star Wars episode nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, that was a rough one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like all Star Wars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Happy made the fourth today, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoy all the Star Wars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am on a Clone Wars kick right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, never seen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, never seen the Clone Wars series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I found the way to watch it online.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's actually a chronological way to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't start with episode one and go all them through because they shot them and did them in different ways and they released them and did like flashbacks and this and that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's an actual way to watch them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm doing that right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the so the giveaway is a Grogu Bob bubble head, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You told me this ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a cool one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The for Pad Holla every once in a while, I'll get Brian to do a movie review because he's like a giant movie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's in the theaters like twice a weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my nephew probably goes like three or four

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[SPEAKER_00]: I try to go at least once a weekend if there's nothing on and I won't force it but Crystal goes on she goes back east at some point next month to visit her her mom and her and her dad and her step mom and some other relatives and so it's like you know two or three days where I'm like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then what am I going to do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I just like my it's the theater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like every single night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This might be my thing, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, see you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we live closer, I'd go with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, that would go hang out and see movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The girls were going on a kick there for a while where they were doing, what's it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you guys have that down there, but on Thursday nights here, you can pay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like five bucks to go see a movie and you have no idea what it's gonna be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like a brand new release that will be out the next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they do that here at one of the AMC theater.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure they do that down there, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, missed like mystery night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I put up an episode audio feed and video feed of kind of an interesting Q and A thing that I did for the Valkyries podcast because

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had some comments in some of our videos and I was answering them and I was like, you know what, these are actually really good topics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I did kind of a solo pod there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I revisited the Flage A for Marta Suarez trade that everyone was all up in arms about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can find that there, both feeds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a short 20 minute thing, but Brian and I will be back later this week with the Valkyries and WMBA season preview pod.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think the WMBCs and starts this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we may come back on one of the first two games and just kind of do a quick wrap up of the games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, we're back in WMBA season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Brad and I are every Monday for the most part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll have some days where one of us is on vacation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll figure that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Niners pod, off season, Rod and I will be back randomly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just to talk about stuff when it happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we're doing lots of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you subscribe on YouTube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Make sure you add us on your podcast feed and drop a review if you so wish to do so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But okay, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to Jacob who was in the chat and thanks to our guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He came back with a vengeance today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Haruku, Mr. Haruku.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Haruku.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, you know what I needed from Haruku?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I needed a fart on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I needed a fart on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's when I know he's really back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he'll bring it back next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's easy back into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully he'll come back next week and hang out with this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that is from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For Brad, I'm double G. See you when we see you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.