Should the Giants go all in at the trade deadline? | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: with Drosion, throws to Sandberg and the pitches proud of the second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thompson has it, throws the first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty seven years of waiting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's up on the pen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well back at Thompson to Clark Brad and I are here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We took last week off for the All Star Break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, before we even talk about the giants, what did you think of the All Star Game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I only watched like the first four innings and then I bailed out because the nationally had the lead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then I saw Randy Rodriguez give up a jack as I got giant's pictures historically and all start games are really bad and then and then I saw I was like wait there was some sort of home run hitting contest and the game this is crazy and and so that was my experience

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so I was on vacation in Tahoe, and that was a planned evening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even think about it, but we had planned to go to one of our favorite places in North Tahoe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If any of the listeners have been there, you know what I'm talking about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: White caps pizza, just right on the lake, super awesome place, always as a crazy good beer selection.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really good pizza, they also have a, and this is not a commercial for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just like this piece of joint, but they also have a sister pizza place in Heavenly Village in South Tahoe called base camp pizza.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, this was a planned trip that night to go there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're there and I forgot the game was on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew it was coming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we walked in the pizza place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh, I can kind of see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm hearing like little updates and you know, you're a son, JJ and our chat was like, our, our guys always have to ruin it and ran your Rodriguez game and gave us some runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then we get back home granted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a couple of strong beers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I get home and I turn it on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I go about to catch the very end of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: sure enough all of a sudden they're in this home run and it just started this home run Derby swing off thing to decide the game and I thought

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[SPEAKER_01]: Think I heard something about this, but I honestly didn't remember, because what are the chances?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna happen in an all-star game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they implemented a couple of years ago and just had never used it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was when they read the collective bargaining as when it came.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, that's what it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was fun, you know, for an all-star game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But of course, as I'm watching it and I'm realizing how fun it is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It starts sneaking into my head that, oh my God, Rob Manfred is seeing how fun this is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then a year or two, he's going to try to implement it in regular season games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that scared me a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, is it going to be like, we're only going to do it in the first half when nobody's fresh or we're only going to do it in the second half when everybody's tired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That worries me a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that part was super fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got Kyle Schwarber in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, and again, I don't know how they picked the players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because those, those weren't your top home run hitting guys, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no Aaron judge, there was no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm assuming it's only guys who are in the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So at the end can be chosen to be there and do the swing off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which, you know, again, it's an awesome target.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bring the guys back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see Aaron judge hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to see, you know, the scrub dude from Milwaukee or whoever, you know, that the, I don't know, or Florida.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had some dude from, sorry, he's an all star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a scrub dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I didn't want to see, you know, I didn't want to see that dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see Aaron judge is what I want to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron, he was judge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He already took his jaw off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: even he was like, probably in tennis shoes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was wearing a medium t-shirt and you don't have to guns, but yeah, I mean, those I want to see those guys come back and hit the home runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that part was weird, but if they could fix that going forward, I think it's pretty off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when I was a kid,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was like my first understanding of this, the idea of a home renderer we could end a series or a game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would have been, gosh, maybe I'm like eight years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not even eight years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm probably seven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're at candlestick because of the Bay Bridge series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think something happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember if they played one at the Colosseum and one at candlestick and both teams won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was like a swing off to win the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't exactly remember the part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's the exhibition Bay Bridge series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The end of spring training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we're at the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, after the game is over, they roll out the home run hitters to

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[SPEAKER_00]: do a home run hitting contest to see who wins the series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so in my mind, I was like, oh, they just must do this all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I guess I didn't realize that they were trying to break a tie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought after every game, you just do a home run hitting contest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is part of baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I realized soon thereafter that that was like a one time thing, but I always thought it was cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always thought it was like a really cool thing to do because it is an easy thing to root for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the A's may have had Dave Kingman back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants had like hackman Leonard and Chilli Davis and guys like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just thought it was such a cool idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when they did the home run to be or the swing off in the All-Star game, that's where my brain went to, which was I had so much fun as a little kid watching that like be a part of something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I imagine

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you had a child who was still up and watching the game on the East Coast at that point, like having that happen at the end probably was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you said, Manfred saw this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Would you enjoy this more than the Ghost Runner?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's a good question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't really look at it in that perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the only problem I'm gonna see with that is, you gotta have a team that's built.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So teams with big power guys who play big power baseball are going to win most of those over teams like the giants who play small balls, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, granted, you've got elite romos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want devours with a herniated disk out there taking gigantic hacks to try to win ball games right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but you've got Chapman and Ramos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we don't see much batting practice anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's hard to say, who's the one who are the batting practice heroes for the Giants?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to put, it's not going to be the guys who like lead the team and home runs all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be the guys who in batting practice do, you know, hit hit hit for light tower power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's going to be, it would be tough in that situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you then sign a free agent who's just, you know, really good in batting practice with his home runs with his power so that when the time comes and you need that guy, he's in the lineup of

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I just want to see, I'd rather see the ghost runner to answer your questions, because it's more like baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason, I mean, it's a fun idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason why you would do it is, you know, that young audience, because they would sort of start rooting for, you know, for games to end in a tie so that you could see this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you did do something like this,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you would basically roster somebody who is like a really good at hitting home runs and batting practice like, but what do you have to be in the game though?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing like you have to strategically sneak him in and you can have both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can have your cake and eat it too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can have the Manfred runner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for the tenth and eleven and then when you get to the twelve if it's still a type all game now you go to the swing up so I wonder how many games actually go into the twelve inning these days yeah that's a good question I'm not a hundred percent sure on that I don't you don't see that very often um usually it's decided in the tenth and eleven but but that that's a good that's a good thing because then maybe if you do the twelve or the thirteen

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you only see the swing off like, I don't know, seven or eight times in a season, and that's pretty much it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I like our idea best, which going back a few years on this show, which was play the tenth straight, play the eleventh straight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When it gets to the twelfth, maybe start a guy on first, then the thirteenth start a guy on second and then yeah, you can you can do whatever you want after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I still would like to see them at least play the tenth inning clean like normal baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because then

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're like, well, at least we get a chance to really win this thing because all bets are off with the runner on second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just becomes like a, it doesn't even feel like the right team necessarily is winning every game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you do that, because the Giants played the Dodgers right before the first half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And once we went into extra innings with the Dodgers and we didn't score any runs in the first nine innings,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was pretty convinced we were just going to lose that game just because that they they just have so many better options for hitters with were scoring position it's just like not even it's not the same they're not that those two teams are not the same when you line up one through nine in the order and so I was like okay who am I going to bet on like I imagine

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we don't I don't bet and you don't bet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't really understand the betting lines for baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I imagine once they went into the tenth inning, the Dodgers odds probably skyrocketed to win the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's probably skewed towards a home team just a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you do have a team like the Dodgers,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to unskew that if you're the home, if you're the home team, because the road team being the Dodgers, like you said, they can send guys up there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're more likely to get a base hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're more likely to drive one in the gap and they're more likely to hit a home run than most teams and the majors in those situations, especially when you're at the Giants and you're just struggling to move a runner from first to second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's what the Giants are having a hard time with right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you get to extras, the giants could put a runner at third, and I'm not sure they would get them home in two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how bad this offense is when they're in tight situations lately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And being on vacation and I was getting ready for vacation during that Dodgers series and then traveled on Sunday during the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was tough to even just listen to on the radio and try to figure out what the heck is going on with this team against the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a nice little segue because I did a show yesterday with my buddy, Draven, are kind of seasonal once every now and again podcast giants versus Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we kicked off the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's up on our YouTube page.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is in the audio feed so you can check it out if you haven't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we began the show basically saying both teams are struggling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that they both got swept to start the second half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the Dodgers just have way more room for error than the giants do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the difference in the teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is living the Michael Conforto experience that we lived last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was saying like, yeah, like Michael can afford to, can pull down his pants and like take a dump right and left field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you guys will figure out a way to put someone else out there or to finagle some way to get some production.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the giants just don't have that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if Aliot Ramos, like I'm not putting this on him, but if he was to get hurt, what would the giants do with left field?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be probably mottoes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I don't know if anyone seen Montices petting average.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did have the big hit in that game against the Dodgers off of, I believe, is off of Tanner Scott.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like they just don't have, you know, they don't have anybody who you could really bring up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look at the, look, look at the scenario, what happened when Chapman went down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you have guys, but they're kind of like all utility players rather than

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[SPEAKER_00]: guys who are kind of ready to step in and take over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just waiting for an opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they were hoping Luciano was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And JJ has been been texting me about, you know, they need to give Luciano a chance because he's not only hitting bombs in Reno now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's hitting them all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, you can't get any worse, you know, from from a perspective of power because they just don't have any.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, maybe he's learned some lessons or he's, you know, got a little bit of humbleness or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and just or it's just he's had the reps and, you know, he didn't have those reps as he was younger and he was kind of getting hurt here and there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm fine with, you know, if they wanted to give him a shot at some maybe he's or, you know, maybe make him a little bit more valuable to other teams if you're looking at trade him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, the Giants have such little room for error, especially offensively that you kind of wonder what could they even do in this kind of the topic of this shows, whether or not the Giants should be all in, but Grant Brisby wrote two articles back to back days about

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, should the giant if the giants became buyers here, people out there and if they were sellers, then this is what they would do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you were going to say something for a cut you off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just looking at Luciano's numbers because I was kind of curious to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking, you know, this team needs an injection, they need something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But looking at Luciano, the thing too is an April, he hit, and again, batting average is not everything, but an April,

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[SPEAKER_01]: hit two forty five in May he hit one ninety five in June he hit two twenty four and then July he's hitting two seventy three so it's only really

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[SPEAKER_01]: like three quarters of a month where he's really kind of started to turn it on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen that before, we've seen flashes from him in AAA and then you get excited and then you bring him up and then he, you know, grabs the bed and then you send him back down and you go, what do we do with this guy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, they're gonna have to showcase him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because he's probably, if they want to use him as trade bait, they're gonna have to showcase him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, there's not, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're looking up and down this lineup and then you're looking in triple, hey, you're gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's no answers there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The lineup has so much potential.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When those players that are in the giant's lineup are playing to their potential and they're playing to be their best selves, this is a high powered offense and people are gonna laugh, but it's just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody is clicking together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody is, I mean, if there's a team with more ground into double plays and their bats on the giant, I'd love to see it because I don't think it exists.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the giants lead the league in that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have it up, but it feels like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I've been doing for stats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to actually wonder if this hurts baseball reference a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I've been using chat bots to find this information.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if I can find it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So who leads major league baseball or which team leads major league baseball?

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, in grounding into double place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because otherwise, it would show you individual players probably.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to start goofing around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Finally, finally, got back into the iPad world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was telling you, so I bought one of the A-Six teen iPads that I pat at eleven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to install chat GPT because it does not have the capability to do Apple intelligence, which is not very intelligent right now, but it's getting there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm going to install chat GPT on it and just kind of mess around with that as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so, okay, so I have a Google Gemini and I do have a couple of different pro accounts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is what, this is what, uh, Gemini says as of July, twenty first, twenty, twenty five, the Oakland Athletics Lead Major League Baseball and grounding its double place with eighty six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It goes Met's Astro's Pirates, Blue Jays, Rockies, Cards, Giants, Orioles, Demax.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those were the top ten in the Giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's lying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Giants orials and Diamondbacks are all tied with sixty eight for eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Most so now I don't know you we could probably finagle that query and you know with runners and scoring position or late in games or you know there's some sort of score about you know that that the clutch or whatever because it does feel like they play a lot of tight games and when you play a lot of tight games

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, the room for error is so little.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so Krugo started the second half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He goes something to the effect of haven't had any of their big hitters all hot at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He thinks it's coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I took that to think, you know, my crew has a great baseball instinct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he's seeing some stuff with the players or the clubhouse or the coaches or buster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's something there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they did score was at six games in that last game against the blue jays or six runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, in that last game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't, I haven't seen it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't know if there's anything there that you've seen in these first three games out of the break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are recording while the giants are playing the Atlanta Braves and, um, you know, they are currently losing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I love the intuition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the hope some of Cruco is, is he's like a great, he's, he's a giant through and through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's going to be a little bit of a, he's a rock ride for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't see it and I think it has to start with devours because I feel like it has to start with your best player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if he is our best hitter like he's, you know, he's got the best numbers and that sort of like over the last several years, both from a power perspective and an average perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's got to come there and and I kind of worry about that a little bit because.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A, he's got a little bit of a back thing that they've mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't really say that before you got traded, but that doesn't come up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And secondly, you know, there is a period of transition for these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not that big of a deal in others.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is kind of a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be the park.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be not seeing though the schedules are about as balances they can be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe not seeing some of these nationally garms that that he's seen, but they have played a lot of interly games went since he's come.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when we were there, it was Cleveland and then Boston and now it's Toronto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he has seen those arms before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like if the giants get on a run in swinging the bat, it's usually circled around your best guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't seen it from him yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he strikes out a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that has been

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, that has been more lately in his career than earlier in his career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems like there's a little bit more of swinging for the, the big, you know, the jack.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, do you see, do you sense any of this happening?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you seeing setting the table and just needing the big hits?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is your feeling about that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so this, this team was super exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when we wanted that, we kept like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: this team needs to be exciting and fun and they were for like thirty thirty five games and then you know and then after that it became.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get runners on this team is fantastic one of the top teams in the league when it comes to walk percentage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The get on base first game of the Toronto series get eleven hits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're not scoring runs they get eleven hits in that game and don't score a run that the key is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were, this team was super clutch in the first thirty thirty five games of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they needed a hit, they would get a hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After that for sixty plus games, it's just kind of been around sixty games because I think we're close to the ninety game mark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This team has just not been clutched.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The big hit has not come.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not something you teach, that's not something, I mean, that's internal for each player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you a clutch guy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you not up?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when the time comes, are you there?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you ready to answer the call?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you said, the big hitters, divers needs to be that guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chapman needs to be that guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ramos needs to be that guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ramos is cold off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Save your, save your bravado and your big hits for when the bases are loaded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not for when there's nobody on and you hit a solo home run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the other day, William Thomas on Sunday, what it was, you know, I'm floating out on Lake Tahoe on my paddleboard and I'm cruising around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's two bombs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The giants don't do anything else and they get smoked in that game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They ought to be eventually losing eight to six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna make a game out of a kind of,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that I mean, so it's so frustrating because for so long was that if the giants could just get to get back to getting the big hit, but I mean, the clock is ticking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Time is moving along here and then I think the times for the big hits are kind of running out at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was doing a little bit of reading as I know you were as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alex Pavlovitch has a new book, which we'll put it in the show notes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is called, let me pull it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it is called the franchise a San Francisco Giants curated San Francisco Giants a curated history of the orange and black and it came out about week and a half ago and I mean I'm I don't know forty percent into it or whatever and it's really really good and what it what it did is it kind of reminded me about

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[SPEAKER_00]: not, you know, it does a good job of reminding you about the world's series teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it also reminded me, and I think maybe we take this for granted sometimes of how, two thousand and ten, I just didn't come out of nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two thousand and nine was a really good season for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they won like, eighty eight games or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw the flashes and there

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go back to when we were younger, in the United States, they won the NL West.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in the United States, there was a sense that something was happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This young team, this young club.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they down the stretch, Houston pulls away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember the Mike Scott, no hitter and you know, the them clenching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so my thought was, well, reading his book, which I'm not done with it by any means, but it just reminded me of those teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wonder if this is the walk before run season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think what we had hoped is that last year, the year before, whatever were those, but they faltered,

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[SPEAKER_00]: As we we talked about in the last episode that we did I think is when when I went through the first half and second half or first eighty eight eighty one games and second eighty one games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: With the exception of twenty twenty one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just could not put together to have and this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was worried about that because they had the great start, but they had been an average for the last two months for May and June.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were an average baseball team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now are we expecting in July and August and September for them to go back to being really good or do you expect them to be average so far in July, they've been bad, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: not even average they've been worse than average so what is that you know what is that expectation and if you go with that theory that to this is our two thousand and nine

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I want them to sell to bring in any offensive players because what are you selling well that you're going to sell the pitching and how did they win in two thousand and ten and two thousand and twelve and two thousand and fourteen it was the pitching and so if you're building you know the the way that the way to win ball games in in in buster ball

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[SPEAKER_00]: It begins and ends with starting pitching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will you give away one guy to get the bat that you thought you needed?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is probably not going to be enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know if you want to give away any of these younger arms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I almost wonder, you know, a bird song start today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost wondering like, man, maybe they shut them down for a few starts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they technically did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't pitched in two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, and if the, if the draft is any indication, Buster posies philosophy, they had a baseball operations, top down to bottom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If the draft is any indication, the giants are looking at pitching.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they want to draft pitching as every team does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're also drafting high contact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: high average guys who put the ball in play, but not necessarily just put the ball in play, but hit line drives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, going back to ground in a double play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If your hit line drives, you're not grounding in the double plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're actually putting the ball in the play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This can find some gaps, find some holes and feel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that being said, this is Buster's first season as head of baseball operations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're given him leeway because he's Buster Posey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's taken a roster and a minor league system that's not necessarily his shoot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was playing when it was being built.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When this team was being built, he was playing and when a minor league system was being built, he was still playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: after one season he's you know his marks are a dominance and endeavors and then he's going to build around that with what he has in the minor league system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, do you buy are you a buyer at the trade deadline because in terms of

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[SPEAKER_01]: buying some guys with years on them that buster believes in and thinks this picture or this second baseman or this right fielder can help us for the next three or four years while clearing out some of the minor league guys like motto San Luisiano that were not his picks

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then moving these draft picks that he just made, they move up the system a little bit quicker, possibly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And another draft or two or three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you've got Buster Ball everywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, I mean, you know, it baseball is a slow grind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know, hundred sixty tickets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is why that eighty one games analysis that I did last show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because baseball is a grind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What teams can put together two really good halves of the ones that win the world series?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what is hard is to continually be on the winning side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Twenty twenty one now seems way more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like, you know, uh, I mean, it wasn't a lucky season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were playing really good baseball, but yeah, you had to tail end of the tail end of the world series teams because you forget.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brandon Bell, Brandon Crawford, Buster Posey all had great seasons and belt gets hurt right at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it breaks his thumb and he's not even able to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's still value in those guys and they had that crazy insane season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's probably an outlier based on what we've seen since, two thousand and sixteen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is like the one outlier season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've had two regime changes since then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're in into Buster Ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think there's something to him being so competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But John Smoltz had a comment basically saying like he's he's he's trying to balance the best of both worlds in building his what you're calling Buster Ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the same time, trying to make a go of it because you know that there are three wild card slots to go after.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am of the opinion and I had to be reminded by Pavlovitch's book that I don't I don't think we need we sell we we already sold off last year's first round draft pick in tibbs and you gave way your your best left handed arm so you got divers divers going to be around for a long time

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what is left to give?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do teams want?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they probably want Wizz and Hunt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want the kid who's in the orange and the black league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forget his name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he'd be on anybody's must have list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you could get if you could trade models in Luciano, I think they would, but I think those guys their value is so low right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mason Black values probably really low as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I almost wonder if it's just let's roll with what we got and see and and give these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Casey Schmidt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it's not like Jung who has played many reps at this level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been through crazy slums.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ramos is still young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're probably going to have to get a new right field or next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're playing out your strengths.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're maybe you trade your strengths.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe your strengths.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's of some value to a team that needs a left handed bat and a really good outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and you could get a younger player back for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is more along the lines of what I think they should do right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I think chasing, you remember that Adele song?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think chasing pavement, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What a great metaphor for just like, you know, just doing something for the sake of doing something that's not good work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of feel like

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers are so far out though, the podgers are good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, it's not like they can't catch the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we expect the Dodgers to kind of catch fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The podgers are good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are some teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are some other teams in the National League who are really establishing themselves right now like the brewers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just wonder if chasing that third wild card this year is a little short-sighted and what they should do instead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is build this this is the two thousand and nine team this is the nineteen eighty sixteen this is buster stamp and he is grabbing the players that he believes can can help this team in the future and that's where that's where I sit now you and I both want to see them when

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that something that you can be okay with?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know JJ is going to be like, we need to go trade for for somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way he thinks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like that would you would be you would be throwing away younger players for an opportunity that may not be that realistic this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, now before Buster and I know with ownership,

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[SPEAKER_01]: This team was all about there's no rebuild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to keep fighting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to be competitive in September and hopefully October.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen this team is not doing has not done in the past a whole lot of selling off to, you know, to possibly be a ninety lost team next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That I mean, that again, that's not what this team is, but I'm just using that as an example.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The last thing this

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[SPEAKER_01]: This ownership group wants to do is have Oracle Park half full.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've gotten back to it being pretty darn full.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this season they're happy about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That brings in money at the gate and money at the concession stands and this is what they want merchandise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think this team is going to continue to, this ownership group is going to continue to make the moves to try to be competitive, at least, you know, on the surface, at the same time, you need to really, really build that farm system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, getting rid of any farm players right now,

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[SPEAKER_01]: better of any value to this organization for the future of this organization would be a mistake, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless you are

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[SPEAKER_01]: one player away from ninety wins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and we talked about this team's not there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're watching this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, last couple of weeks, this team is, I don't think a player away from ninety wins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe two players, maybe three players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a second baseman, another solid outfielder and a starting pitcher at least.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, and then you're talking, you know, left-handed relievers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're looking at four players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but but looking at the Dodgers and looking at the other teams in the past and what they've done is they've been able to go on get whoever the hell they want because they have a farm system that makes you drool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, well, it makes, it makes baseball America drool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes Keith Lodge rule, which in turn then makes us drool because you look at those, you look at that, you know, in the Seattle Mariners, you look at this yellow Mariners and in the top hundred

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[SPEAKER_01]: prospects they've got a twenty twenty or something like that eighteen twenty and you go my god that's like you know every you know every other player you look and and then the top fifty they've got a player yeah so if you're a team like the Mariners and you're fighting you've got you can get rid of guys and be like you know it but we have another one

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you look at the giants, I got one player in the top one hundred and that's Bryce Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe part of that strategy is like look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: spring to kid up in August and get them a hundred a. B's at the big on the level to set up next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They drafted the the short stop who they're going to move to second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gavin Kylin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that you pronounced last?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, like you said, moving him through the the system could be

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[SPEAKER_00]: could be a Joe Panic like move in in twenty fourteen where he becomes someone who's very valuable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So not that every previous giants scenario is the model for what's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just I just wonder if our expectation

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[SPEAKER_00]: because there's been such a drought these last three and now three and a half years of where we just have such high expectation for the team and they just not they've just been been an average baseball thing that's what they've been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see I would love to have busters here right now like he's never gonna if a deal falls on his lap and he thinks it's it's worth it he's not gonna you know withhold he's gonna go for it because that that's what you do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't, I just don't want him to chase it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want him to give away something good for the possibility of a one year thing to push the giants into eighty six wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because right now, what are they?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're an eighty one win team probably right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'd be happy with anyone wins at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, you know, they're, they're, they are on quite a, quite a losing streak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I said every month, it seems like the losses are starting to overshadow the wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But without today's game, because the game is not over yet, they are currently four games over five hundred.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they could die in the second half and be under eighty one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But or they could just play good baseball and and straddle that eighty one to eighty five, you know, win total, which

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think that there's a way that these these guys are a ninety wouldn't bulk up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just just watching him watching him for now ninety some odd games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is that what it is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, a hundred even a hundred even.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing too is add in the fact that this team was even when they were struggling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they would show flashes and win his series against a big team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're run differential.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, still sticking around like plus thirty plus thirty five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's plus eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, so things are really falling off the cliff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're getting smoked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're losing big pitching has kind of disappeared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you can count on web.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can kind of still count on Ray.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said some tough outings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roop is still young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're waiting for the other shooter drop there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other shoe has dropped on hate and birds song and Verlander's given them nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's given them negative, right, which has been sad to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see what the Empire did dim the other day?

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know what I saw I heard about it and I tried to click on the clip to watch it and I missed it I didn't see it and I wouldn't load so I think I didn't listen to the audio but it looked like early in the game there was a pitch that was wide on the giants that got called a strike and I'm assuming Verlander churped at the Empire and the Empire screamed back something like get out of the third inning before you yell at me or something like that

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was it was this the day after he pitched?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it may have been, but yeah, because then I think it was some random.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Melvin Melvin ran out of there and started to yell at them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's personal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you can personal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a, I mean, you know, that's the type of stuff you get personal with an empire and you're like, hey, your white picket fans is like, you need to paint it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: then then you're getting personal and it becomes a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So can't say that to a player man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So by the way, we've talked about Pavlovitch's book, you're a little bit further ahead than I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think so far?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm at fifty three percent and if you're a Kindle owner, you go by percentages.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't go by page.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know what page I'm on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No idea what page.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on about fifty three percent, which is a lot for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just got the book like the day it came out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Started reading it the next day and I hit like fifty three percent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I'm on vacation, especially in Tahoe, I do a lot of reading because you're just sitting at the lake and you're chilling and they're like, I'm just gonna read.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm enthralled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing too is you and I were old dudes who are Giants fans forever and read everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we've been like, oh, we know so much about the Giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then when you read this, the nuggets that the beat reporters and the inside guys like Pavlovitch get are super fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he did a lot of work on this book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was listening to him today on his podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said that he had so much extra stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... that was kind of the cutter room floor and and and people are like oh really set stuff and he's like no i don't know it's getting such a good reviews are mine after put out a second book and i'm like oh please do because i i mean you know he puts out a second book and i'm in the writing styles great it's uh...

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, pretty in depth and some of the stuff, the little segment, wait till you get the Will Clark, that little segment is pretty fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Crueco's got some good quotes about Will Clark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I'm really, really enjoying it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Highly recommend to anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess there's a couple of bookstores, small bookstores in San Francisco, one of them's at the ferry building, where he's got a bunch of signed copies that are sitting on the bookstore that he went in and signed so you can get those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I say any giant's fan should get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it is a heavy, you know, when he was covering the team, so that there is a lot of, you know, twenty ten and twenty twelve and twenty fourteen, but he does go back to Willie Mays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He talks about why Willie Mays was important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He goes back to McCubby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why McCubby was important bonds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why bonds is important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of shies away from the steroids stuff on bonds, at least in the one bonds chapter that I have read, which probably won't make a lot of people who are non-giant fans happy, but hey, it's writing it for giants fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a Bochi chapter, and Brandon Bell, to Brandon Crawford, and he does have like specific chapters on players, and he tells the story about the players, which I liked, I liked the way that he did it because it's just different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could always write it

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you know, from two thousand and eight all the way through or whatever, and then go back, but he wrote it specifically, like based on players, then he tells the stories with the air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So must have, you know, Giants fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, you know, like you said, I'm a Kindle guy, so he's like fifteen bucks or whatever, and you have him immediately, and you can just get, get reading.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are gonna end, but I do have an old guy, Ali, for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I posted on Instagram yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just a photograph of two paddles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were not ping pong paddles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were pickleball paddles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my ex wife, JJ actually is plays a lot of pickleball too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She has been on us about playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She even bought us those paddles for Christmas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's like, you guys got to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We play like, you know, it's it's fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Crystal played tennis in high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's totally into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: Crystal's not someone who can just go and grab a paddle and jump on a pickle ball court start playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She needs to know the rules.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She needs to know the etiquette.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She needs to know how she's supposed to do this thing that she's never done before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the history of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she set us up to do a lesson or we're doing some lessons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we went out Saturday and I've played a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember playing in high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... you see the high school junior high school and then i played with uh... my ex-wife in in jj and brion and and and there's could significant others uh... a couple months ago and it it's a lot of fun it is if you have good hand i coordination

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're good to go really like you have to learn the rules and there's some back and forth movement but it's really a hand hand-eye coordination sport so it's something that you would be good at I don't know if your wife is next necessarily into uh certain sports or whatever but I think she loves tennis she loves you guys would be fantastic at at picking it up so I would say

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you are looking for a couple's activity to do, it would be, it would be a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, yeah, I've got some pickleball stuff, but when you're done, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay, so you've played good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I haven't played, but I do have some pickable stories.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're playing and, you know, they want to teach you the basics and it's called, there's, it's called Dinking, like you're just basically pushing the, the wiffle ball over the net and you're just kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: doing little like you're almost like playing catch with with the thing and and you know they're teaching you like you don't need to slam the hell out of this thing like you this is how this is the touch part of the game and so we're with another group of two young ladies I'm pretty sure that they've never played before so they they were like the guy who was instructing he was like hanging out mostly with them and then he's like okay and I can value volley

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[SPEAKER_00]: Crystal started pulling out her like double backhand and tennis and stuff is lasering balls at me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're like, hey man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I was trying to set her up because shoes get, shoes get into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the guy did have to come and tell us like, you know, let's try and get some rallies going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to go for the kills.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you guys are actually playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're, I think we're, I don't know how much into it into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't know for like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Wednesday night looking for games or anything, but it was a lot of fun and I kind of we've been looking for this kind of activity because last year we went and we took some golf lessons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Jake JJ's really into golf so he was wanting me to play and I'm like I'd never really play and I kind of stayed away from golf and I was playing baseball because I didn't want to screw up my swing right and then I just never got into golf it was never anything that I was like I just figured at some point I was going to want to play and it just never happened we did our lessons we're like this is okay but it's just it didn't grab us like we thought it was going to grab us

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this did, so I have a feeling we're going to play as long as I don't get hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is always the getting hurt part with my knees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My knees were okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't feel too bad and I felt good kind of moving side to side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know what I actually reminded me of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As a middle-end filter, you would do these drills, call pick up drills.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so basically, they roll the ball to your left and you shuffle and you grab it and you throw it back and they go to your right and you just go back and forth, back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the movement in pickleball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is some up and back movement as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But all of the footwork and pickleball reminds me of a middle and a filter and defense and basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of that footwork is very familiar to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's just very comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you play a lot of sports, like this is why I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know now people are saying oh you know the whole key to being an athlete is to play a bunch of different sports like just don't play baseball like play basketball play soccer you know play all these different things is you'll learn these different you know you'll learn different things footwork and and hand eye and all these things so that that helps a lot in pickle because I'm like okay like I can figure out what he's telling me very quickly because of all these other sports I played as a kid

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just fits right in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, a ball thumbs up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I know it's it gets a little bit of flack for being like an old people sport.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But hey, man, I'm forty nine years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How much longer do I got to wait to place a pickle ball?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the place we stayed in Tahoe right in front of us are tennis courts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the unit we stayed in the last two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have tennis courts in front.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, you got a little bit of a break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got some trees and, you know, forests and stuff, but you can see that the tennis courts

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've broken those down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they are not so much tennis courts anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now their half tennis half pickleball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they realize, oh, we can break down a tennis court into two pickleball courts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So during the day, that's all you hear is people playing pickleball up at Lake Tahoe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think I saw

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[SPEAKER_01]: many people above our age playing the majority of the people were our age all the way down to like ten year olds playing pickle ball and there were times two were a bunch of ten year olds would just go out there with their rackets and their pickle balls and just play for like an hour hour and a half so so I think the games getting younger and I wasn't intrigued

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there was one guy, a couple of times during the week, where he had a main character energy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wanted to be the star of the place that we were staying at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if he got a good hit or whatever, he would scream in a whole complex, would hear this guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be blown on us out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that people out on the water would hear this guy and I'm like, geez, I'm just trying to sit here on the deck and read my Alex Pavlovitch book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, like crystal because of the tennis background, she felt very comfortable out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she's also a good athlete.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she grew up in the East Coast, so she played lacrosse, softball, she played tennis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she's she's very athletic and she can pick up, you know, sports really quickly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there there was a moment where I could tell like she was really getting the hang of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Caitlyn Clark mode that you're in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, double backhand ramping this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, I was like, okay, this is going to be good for us when we play doubles against these.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These other people because you just need to pull the ponytail back a little bit and get in Caitlyn Clark mode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're thinking in your head if we're going one on one now, I'm screwed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, well, she could probably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She could definitely run me around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But thankfully, I think it's mostly a two on two games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's good for couples.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we only had a few games talk about plus y'all start game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I really did want to do like a reset of the second half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But hey, maybe the giant surprises and they come back and win some ball games and they have a decent week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It has not started out very good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you want to do the I know I skipped our player of the week last week and you had some some numbers for one of the players that that you were going to give it to who was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, so it was the last show we did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was two weeks ago, but that that player of the week was really enormous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's still on fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's fourteen jacks now or something like, yeah, he's got fifteen because he, you know, hit one today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's, uh, yeah, so he had that that week though, they had two home runs, nine ribs hit four, fourteen, slugging was seven, twenty four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's, he's really starting to come around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's starting to be that guy, but, but again, we talked about that guy, but you can't have just one guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to have him, you got to have peppers, you got to have Chapman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to have everybody hitting, you got to have good defense, you got to have things happening, good pitching, and that's what that was what was preached on the offseason was good, good pitching, good defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can get that and you can get a couple of guys hot, I mean the team can go on a run, but it's kind of tough to see right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But either way, Willie Domis,

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[SPEAKER_01]: player the week couple weeks ago and next week we'll have player of the week again and also next week on the you know we'll do our show on the twenty eight I don't want to be a couple days away from the trade deadline so something could happen between now and which is kind of exciting all right that is it from here we will be back next week for Brad I am double G see what we see you piece out piece