SF Giants Roster News & Recap: Analyzing the Worst Start in the NL | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just time for Thompson to Clark as we talk about the nightmarish beginning to the giant season here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I would have, I would have been okay with like four and six, five and five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why three and seven feels so much more awful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's probably because in the way that they lost some of these games and in the way that

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[SPEAKER_00]: This team feels so similar to how we felt last year about their ability to come back in latent games, their ability to catch the baseball, their ability to create

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[SPEAKER_00]: opportunities with their legs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This all seems so familiar to last year in the year before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brad and I are going to do a segment at the end of this show where we look at the team through a lens of a glass half full and a glass half empty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the time we get to the segment, though, I think our glasses will probably be closer to half empty than half full because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this one's going to be gone last time we chat about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, next week, I think we're going to have to skip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually going to be in San Diego for a few days on the little mini vacation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll be at Padre's Mariners, at least until until the night calls us away from a pet co will see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But first you have a stop in Reno though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do when we're going to be in Reno this weekend what I was going to say is we could have recorded see if we could have recorded something this weekend, but I'm going to be hanging out with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we won't be able to jump on streaming and do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We could do little shorts from the streets of Reno, man, from the casinos, and, you know, when we have the giants up on the big board at the El Dorado or Silver Legacy, sports book, we could do a quick little segment from there, and we can have a drink while we watch our teams woes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They do have a 10 30 AM start on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll try to catch that with some breakfast somewhere in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the, can you actually film in casinos or it's like the pit boss going to come after you or something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know what, it's funny because like Disneyland live streamers are a big thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what else is a big thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had no idea until my boss told me slot machine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: streamers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So people will sit at the slot machines and they'll play in the live stream from there so you can see their wins and the, you know, the how the machine works, but not, you know, they're, again, you're not getting tendencies from a slot machine because they're just, you know, totally random or rigged out wherever you want to look at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there is no, like you can't count cards, like you can't a blackjack table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is a lot of, you'll see some

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm able to maybe able to do something because it'll be a bummer to take a week off so early in the season, but, you know, it's really the one opportunity with my wife's schedule when it comes to vacations because she's on the school schedule and they have spring break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She had a birthday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My birthday is coming up in in a month and a half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, oh, a little bit more than a month and a half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we just like, oh, let's just go hang out for weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why we'll miss perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you don't need to use to go hang out with your wife.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's the greatest, man, when when you when you dig your wife, it's it's uh, it's really cool to go on short little vacation after a few days here and there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we my wife and I really enjoyed that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we still have, you know, we have high schoolers, but we also still have a younger one who's in the fifth grade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, she's at that age where not too worried about, you know, leaving her with with, uh, with her pops in and because it's just like when she's with her pops anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be her birthday and we'll celebrate her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the giant start 3 and 7 last time we talked about the three games we put the Yankees and how frustrating that felt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, the everybody is saying this and it is very true, but it doesn't make it less any less frustrating is that 10 games is 10 games just like three games was three games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The team has started hot in some years and it started cold in other years and we know that there is going to be a hot streak at some point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have no idea why all the bats are cold at the same time for whatever reason and the hope is maybe they get hot at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of like how the end of last season was when everyone's just hitting home runs and it almost felt like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could you guys have done this a little bit earlier?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's just how baseball goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, to start for our own three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And since then, since that own three start, they are three and four with two games out of three they took from San Diego, who may actually

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[SPEAKER_00]: be in some problems themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you felt, okay, come in home, New York, Metz, the way that they won game one, you're like, okay, we put our flag down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This should be a good series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the next two games, they're literally not competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I mentioned in our chat, I was like, at least they told us early on that we didn't watch this whole game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't, you know, they'd lose, they give up all the runs in the eighth inning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, they said, we're gonna get, we're gonna let you guys go do something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're gonna give up all these runs in the first two innings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then they had another game, which was not very close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on Sunday, they're actually leading.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So had they won Sunday's game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get out of there with a split.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have a five and three, would it know, four and three record, since opening day, opening day, opening a series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: something you can kind of build on you're like, okay, you go 4 and 3.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the next 10 games you go 6 and 4 and you're kind of building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why yesterday's game just felt so frustrating because you have the lead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Logan Web's battling his ass off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could tell he does not have his ace stuff yet and then the bullpen gives it up, but also the defense gives it up at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Chapman makes a diving play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a one hopper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Devours can't feel it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a, there's a little league steal with runners on 1st and 3rd rise comes over to take the throw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is an arguable when I haven't seen too many beatwriters really, it kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: be critical of this, which is when you're in this position of a first and third and and the and they steal a rise does have to kind of pay attention to where that throw is coming and then also if the runner breaks on third however it is really up to Patrick Bailey to read that play properly and he immediately fired

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[SPEAKER_00]: and a rise is too far in front of the bag to actually make the tag to throw that guy out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were giving us that out and a rise positioning was off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I think most of the people will give him the benefit of the doubt of, he's not in that position very often.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not two main things in the big leagues that do a little league steel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure this may have caught him off guard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just another thing about playing second base and we'll have this discussion in our glass half empty, glass half full.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But his ability to fill the ground ball and make a throw to first base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not worried about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's these other intricacies of playing second base because the second base been

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[SPEAKER_00]: runs the most that of anybody in the infield because of all the different cutoff plays and all the different backing ups and arises just he's not a very athletic guy he's kind of a

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[SPEAKER_00]: you watch him attack ground balls and he doesn't really attack them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of rounds them so he can get to them versus taking a direct route to try and make a great play, whether it's with a dive or a back and he just can't get to those balls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you see these like longer routes and they're just going to get infield hits on stuff I got.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk about him later, but it really was the defense and the relief pitching that lets them down, Keaton when gives up hits, then you're

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[SPEAKER_00]: he gives up hits and that that game gets away from them in that inning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're already down a reliever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jose Buuto goes on the DL Blake Ted Wells out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about Blake a little bit later as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, not a great feeling coming out of this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: JJ likes to call you the eternal optimist when it comes to guys how do you spin this if if we're looking for some joy and we're looking for some cheer and we're looking for some hey man you just you got to take those lumps and you got to wear them and you got to learn from them like how do you spin this beginning of the season?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so discouraged last night and then discouraged this morning and then you know then I just started to remember look we're 10 games and and and 10 games of 162 you got 150 two games left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you still have a rookie manager is never managed anything in the big leagues before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The lineups are weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I shouldn't say they're weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're different from age-old baseball, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the same guys starting every night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Daniel's who sat at a fantastic start on Friday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got three hits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: lift the place up, hasn't sniffed the plate for an at bat since Friday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't get in the game Saturday or Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Patrick Bailey is starting tonight, which is Monday night as we're recording.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's another time that Daniel sees second will not be behind the plate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe tomorrow on Tuesday, but then if the gift in that would be facing Christopher Sanchez, who's the one of the best pictures in not only the

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[SPEAKER_01]: so you got to deal with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of problems with this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of good with this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about all that later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, I'm not very worried yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, you know, calling for Vitalo's head and, and, and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I did say yesterday or the first time I think I've ever said this, you know, the whole time Bustroposi has been employed by the San Francisco Giants in one way shape or form that I did say, and I'm going to say it here, Bustrin needs to get his head out of ZAS.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, and the reason I say that, look, I was frustrated last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reason I said that is because this raster construction, it could use a lot of work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm tired of just because a guy has options left, or just because he's controllable for a few more years, I don't think that makes him the best player, the best option for that roster spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know teams like the Dodgers don't feel that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: ready for that spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to trade him with a couple of other guys, um, you know, and get something out of it and then bring one of the young guys up who might be a ready for this spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I heard, you know, like, uh, his use Rodriguez, uh, backup catcher, um, is if you're not going to use Su sack, why isn't Rodriguez up because Rodriguez can play five or six different spots, uh, on the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, then you have more, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: options off the bench because if in a situation the guy goes down somebody gets hurt a short stop and second and they need a day off and you've got costs and Rodriguez two guys who can play The infield you could put Rodriguez in the outfield as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could put Rodriguez at first and and move Schmidt over to second one is back as better

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, just because Eric Miller is a left-hander and is controllable, doesn't mean he's the best option to be your left-hander out of the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm tired of the Eric Miller experiment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's probably going to bite me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say all these things Eric Miller is going to come in in a key situation strike out the side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called the reverse jinx and we'll be fine with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if, yes, if that karma works, I'm happy with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, but I just don't think, I mean, Lucas, maybe Lucas, he might have been the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You would have had to clear a roster spot for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And over that, I get all of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm not saying it's the easiest job in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What Buster Posey is doing, being the head of baseball operations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are many, many, many moving parts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now those moving parts are not working, they're working against each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, but again,

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are the players that we have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are the same players we had last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the same players we had two years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 500 club that is hitting the baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Raphael Devers as one home run in 10 games so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not heated up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: William Domus is not necessarily heated up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chapman is making mistakes everywhere on the base pass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some bad throws.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's having a tough time right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Things are going to turn around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to gel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, the players that you have are going to get used to Tony Vitello, I still have to get used to Tony Vitello's post game press conferences.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's half the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need a translator to figure out what it is he's talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll go on these rants and I'm like, I get, I'm a rants and Sean McVegos on rants, but they always make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They always make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's always something to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His rants are, you know, about the, the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The throw down to first, you know, the runner was called out where he got when he got run from from the empire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when Vitalik got thrown out when he was talking about that afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's talking about it being, you know, it came back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a history about that play at Tennessee and then also on top of that, you know, they probably made the right call to the letter of the rule and you know, just went on and on and on and on and on and on and I was, my head was spinning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just, I don't know what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just for folks who didn't see the play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Karnasione hits a ball out in front and he's running and he runs on the inside of the baseline and you know when I was in high school I was always taught if you can run on the grass run on the grass and then angle out towards the dirt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so, you know, you do that sometimes, especially because I would, when I was hitting, I was kind of up in the box more than most, and so by the time I take my swing and I take my step, I'm already in the grass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The call was that because he was on the inside of the baseline, that it caused the first basement to miss the place, the first space and dropped the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if a tello was screaming about it, and he wouldn't let up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, because it was going to be a base runner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: He finally, it looked to me like he wanted to get kicked out of this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why I've no idea because this was an opportunity for him to manage a two to one lead going into late in the game, which he, he hasn't really had a chance to do that very much so far early in the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was like, okay, I want to see how he manages the end of this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and hand it off to his bench coaches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just kind of like, man, you've got to know the time and place like if that was a defining moment in winning or losing the game, I understand, you just lost the base runner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then for him to admit, in the post game presser, that the umpire was actually right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was trauma from college that caused him to blow up like that is

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[SPEAKER_00]: the Bay Area media is giving him the benefit of the doubt because he is new.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But a lot of the stuff that I'm reading in the articles about the team, like you said, it doesn't really make sense, it's like a guy who's filibustering and I know that's not really who he is, I know they brought him on because

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can lead baseball teams and he's got passion and he's got heart and he inspires people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That has not come through yet and I wonder if he's trying to be too professional, which is causing him to kind of fight himself a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was the play and I just in case people didn't understand what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly, and the, again, the first training thing too is just for me, it is, I haven't necessarily heard anything from him, like, hey, here's, you know, we're going to try some different things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to kind of get, get the ball rolling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a lot of the same rhetoric of, you know, these guys are, are our guys and we're going to stick with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get that, but you know, I want to hear something different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a little bit of fire, a little bit of if these guys can't do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have guys in the minors who are already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that would be controversial, but something other than the same old, same old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to just these are our guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to stick with them and keep running the same exact guys in the lineup every single night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just it's frustrating to hear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I like the guy I don't have a problem with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to be a good manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's got to work his way into the spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know if I can decipher every post game conference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I can't tell if a win or a loss is different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least, you know, with Bob Melvin, I could tell when he was frustrated, he didn't have answers either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's probably my frustration.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been over two years of no answers and no fixes and no way to write the ship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that's a little bit of my frustration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I sense that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When he, and I think we talked about this on the last show, he took the blame for one of the games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in the Yankee series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, that one's on me, you know, I think I may have had them two X, Y, and I don't remember what he said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is a Steve's idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he had two fiery of a speech before the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got, he got two fired up, too much brimstone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, whatever it was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: thing to take the blame for the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Steve Kerr will outright say, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This one's on me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not have these guys prepared for this game enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think most people understand what he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Annie, you know, I think his team hopefully is like, yeah, he's kind of shielding us a little bit here because we didn't play very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I get that part of it, Vitello doing the Steve curthing, you know, this one's on me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did the reason why they didn't play very well, something that some of that has to do with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Steve Kerr will also have answers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Steve Kerr will also go, but you know what, we did see something in X, and I think we can use that down the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had some good things from this person that you may not have seen, but we have and we'll utilize that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when Vatelo is speaking

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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes you wonder, how is he going to solve this problem?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, let's talk a little bit about the roster thing what you said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They defade Luis Matoz to keep oliva.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were like, okay, maybe he's got a plan with Oliva because you're giving up a guy that you have invested heavily in for a guy that nobody even knows who was even on this roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you do that and we see Motto's and he's playing in Milwaukee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he started yesterday and he threw somebody out at the plate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if that is a plan, how about you, Tony Vattello, say, hey, we have some ideas for how to utilize, Olivia, because we think he's valuable for this reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked at the thing, Olivia's got three ABs and he's got like a stolen base and there's been no plan to get him in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now maybe it's, oh, you know, when we see

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[SPEAKER_00]: out of a four game series if we see two left these or whatever he's going to pull it he's going to start one of those games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever it is, and maybe it's because Bader got off to such a cold start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want to pull Bader thinking like, oh, you're not playing well, that's why you're being pulled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet you're sitting like one 18 so far this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He does have a mammoth home run though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just, but he plays defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Please, you can share.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure, it's hard to take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we talk about our glass half full, I think that is very visible to us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, like the doubtful defense is actually much improved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I, it's just, what is the plan with Aliva?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is the plan with Nkarnasioan?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you and I have questions with how they utilize their defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because to me, I feel like they currently have devours in a rise, and those guys are best suited for being a DH.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can put,

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[SPEAKER_00]: defensive players in those positions and be better at those positions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you can't take either of their bats out of the lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have two DHS to use even if even if they are two DHS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now it's like, well, what do you do with in Kronossian because he is also only a DHS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to put that guy out on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the, the Eldridge question to me what they're showing is Eldridge is going to stay in Sacramento all year long, because you bring Eldridge up and now you have a fourth DH and you already have 3D H's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the only way I see Eldridge coming up is if they make a decision on a rise like all of a sudden like, oh, we got to trade this guy or and not that I want to see it because he's really their best offensive player so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's no, like, you know, this idea of, and I know where we're really, really betting on Ron Washington to help us out here, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: a rise at second and deficit first is not going to vote well for the future, especially in games like this where, you know, they they lose late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to get better necessarily with those guys out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I, I would like to see, and I think a lot of people have predicted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that this roster looks much different by mid season and by the end of the season then it does right now, which great roster's change, Buster's going to have to make moves, and maybe they're just not going to show their cards yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: If three and seven becomes seven and 22, then you're basically audio smooth chachos for the playoffs already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So not that I think they need to be immediate or urgent in changing anything up, because I think you do want to believe in your baseball team, you do want to believe in these guys that you've paid a lot of money that they're going to come along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: All these guys been cold at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just feels like, uh, like, what, what, couldn't, what can you do, Vatello in this lineup to change something?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, are you batting, you know, Adam is, you know, swinging from his shoelaces to the sun on every single pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's didn't lead off and he's not getting on base and he's striking out all the time and you're like, okay, why is it eating lead off again?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it just maybe so he could see fast balls?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what tell us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe maybe you don't want to give it away, but it would be nice to hear, you know, maybe some reasons why for us, us hard course there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was thinking about that yesterday when he was leading off again, I thought, you know, is he is he being used as an ambush hitter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the only thing I can think of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's coming up there and in San Diego, I'd have for a first pitch fast ball for a home run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So tonight, you know, Andrew Painter, a giant surfacing Andrew Painter who's a rookie sensation so far in his first art.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, by the time you listen to this, that game's going to be over, but then Tuesday night Sanchez.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure who they face on Wednesday, but I mean, look for that, the first pitch, if it's a fastball down the middle, I think a Domus is going to be hack and pretty hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's like we said that just the whole roster makeup right now is just kind of a question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like any article I read right now is just trying to kind of lighten what's going on, which I get, you know, they're trying to figure out, like, hey, this is the situation we're in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's look back at some historical numbers of other teams that were in these situations with, you know, no lefties off the bench and not a lot of pitch hitters and all of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That and I get all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's something they got to write something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not much else to write about right now, but but yeah, it's it's kind of it's a little bit hard to watch, but again, I'm going to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's what we do, but but yeah, it's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is kind of hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it sounds like you and I are both when we get to a glass half full glass half empty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're both going to be talking about a lot about defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're how much did we hear about defense in the office?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the part of life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And two years in a row, more athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that that was the.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was three years in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and that's been and we're still pretty station station.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Chapman got thrown out at second in the ninth inning, which was a giant no no, especially for a player who's as far as he is, but he I think he saw like I need to create something here for this team, because if we just play station station baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not doing it now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if he steals that base and maybe it energizes them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably okay, but the risk is not worth the reward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like when I play the show with Brian and JJ and we're like down, you know, two in the eighth and JJ's like, all right, we got to steal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no, we need base runner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you want to lose that base runner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, should I take third on this one?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That motor you want to do something, you just want to create something and, you know, it's not always the right time and and it look if it was

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if it wasn't Matt Chapman and maybe it was Willie May's haze, then you're like, okay, like, I know if you still this bag and, you know, you slide head first and you talk mess to the second base when you're trying to tag you out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, that's going to work, but it's Chapman and he's, you know, he's not the the most fleet of foot guide, though he is a pretty good base runner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was the thing and I am going to talk about that one too because you know me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love bass running.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love aggressive bass running Was it too aggressive?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely talk about that in the glass half full half empty segment because I do love bass running and I love I want to see more aggressiveness, but it will cost you

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the upcoming week is three at home, the fillies who are five and four, and then three in Baltimore for the Orioles who have similarly struggled, you know, that they're three and six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So not too different from us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, hopefully

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be hanging out in Reno and watching some games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we'll be able to bring them some good luck and I just I'm just going to have to I'm just going to have to make sure JJ is is you know his bets the way that he's going to bet he's going to want to bet the giant swing came some like let's make sure that with your head not with your heart as pretty much

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I mean I live in a gambling town.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't gamble because of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I could.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I could go against the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you know, it'd be very difficult for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm excited to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like watching other people gamble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's a funny funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so just a couple of news tidbits, so the giants did actually trade Tyler Fitzgerald to the Toronto Blue Jays for cash, so Tyler, good luck and man, if the Blue Jays can utilize him as this like legs off the bench, like multiple positions and he catches fire and going to be so bombed because that's when I wanted him to do for our team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... the giants also play so zebuto and the fifteen day injured list with right arm fatigue but did they find like a blood clot or something yeah they did they found a blood clot they did surgery and they said what to to four months i think he's going to be out so yeah that's pretty hardcore now he did get and and i i i i i don't know if i mixed this up or not but i think i want to say it was the Monday night game

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[SPEAKER_01]: in San Diego where he got hit in the elbow from a line drive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But apparently, I guess that didn't have anything to do with it because when he came out a couple days later, I think he pitched the next day and so it might have been Tuesday and then Wednesday pitched and then that's when he came out and then that's when they discovered he was having issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But apparently that didn't have anything to do with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I know what's his name?

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... no lowery back in the day remember i think you dealt with a blood clot as well and it didn't go well for him but i think the surgeries are different now and they're able to take care of those things a little bit easier uh... but yeah that's uh... that's pretty hardcore man if you're out for two to four months and then uh... to replace him they brought up a break tid well of a tello guy and

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[SPEAKER_00]: obviously he's got great stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got a crazy sweeper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be on, you know, all of these pitching Twitter accounts with movement that love to showcase, you know, these pitches that make batters look silly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hopeful for him, like, you know, out of spring training, I was really high on him just with the idea of, you know, at some point down the line, they probably do want to stretch him out and to have him be a starter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's got such a live arm

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they don't have any plans for him in that role right now, you know, maybe he is the middle-relief guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you need him because of stuff is so great, maybe he does pitch, pitch late in some of these games, so Blake Tidwell up as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get to our glass half full glass half empty now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to preface this by saying, giants have the worst run different differential in the league right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're a minus 26.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they've scored the least amount of runs in in baseball right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they also have played more games than most teams because they had the earlier start with with that opening night Wednesday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those metrics obviously not great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But those metrics are very small sample size.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, if they are the 81 and 81 team that we usually see, that stuff will even out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they're not, then maybe it doesn't even out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they're better than what we think, then they'll be in the positive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK, so let's go glass half full.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First, what kind of bounce back and forth?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you have for your first glass half full?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we said we're going to talk a lot about defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to talk about Luis O'Rise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were very scared about Luis O'Rise playing in second base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was talked about quite a bit in the off season when they signed them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They said, yeah, you can get on base and get you three knocks a game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, probably not going to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: hit anything in the gap he's not going to be cranking home runs or anything but it's going to get on base move the line along that that's important especially for the giants we need to get base runners but but we thought he was going to kill us at second base he is not so far he's done a respectable job they took a couple great plays

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[SPEAKER_01]: Throw us to home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I know you're worried a lot of people worried about his range I understand that as well as range is not as fantastic as on their second base But so far through 10 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not hurting him at all his FRV is an even zero He's dead middle of the pack for second baseman in FRV, which is fielding run of What does it feeling?

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[SPEAKER_01]: field run Value fielding run value Basically how many you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is your fielding versus the runs that you're saving or giving up what's your value?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he finished at minus eight the last time he played second base for a full season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's dead center in the middle right now at zero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he hasn't cost them anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No dings on his range and no dings on his arm so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, that could change.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, glass half full first 10 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm enjoying watching him play a second base and I'm going to

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to leave it there because I don't want to jinx it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know what could happen down the line, but that's where we're at right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know what they're, they're, um, infield defense is interesting because you have an all-time gold Glover at third base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have an, you have an excellent, excellent defensive catcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So two out of those positions

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[SPEAKER_00]: but then you go to shortstop and you have an average shortstop defensively now a Domus may it may great up slightly may great down slightly will see as he gets older.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But on the right side of the infield, you have, you know, if you had Brandon belt at first base, let's say, who I don't think he ever won the gold glove, but we know how good he was as a defensive in filter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, then you're kind of like, okay, like he's he's he's really good and arises average.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it'll sort of make up for it a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brandy belts going to pick picks and balls out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to tease so tall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'll stretch out and he'll save a couple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But with Devours there, who's not a conventional first space, but I do worry that that side of the infill is going to get picked on a

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Casey Schmidt, who is a good infielder and was kind of forced into first space because they don't have any other options going back to Buster's roster that you talked about earlier, you know, Casey Schmidt as a option to play first space is great, but not when he's got to play like the first six games or whatever, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like yeah, once in a while when you can hide him, once in a while when, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: but you're going to get eventually exposed when you play a non-first basement for many, many innings, and they did, he did, and, you know, that was the first time Chapman blew up pretty much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, that was something that, you know, I'm going to be watching very closely, and I just always go back to, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was either Bob Renley or Dwayne Kuyper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember who said this, but when Ryan Sandberg was winning all those gold gloves, they said, well, like you compare Sandberg to Robbie Thompson and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie Thompson is getting to balls on his feet that Ryan Sandberg would have to die for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, if you can only make plays in a limited space and you make every play in front of you, you're not going to make many errors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can actually move,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and go get balls and then you're making throws off balance and you're you know you're trying to make place you're going to make more you're going to have more errors and so that was always the comparison that they had with someone like Sanberg who's like a perennial gold Glover but it was because everything is in front of him he's tall didn't expect him to go and get balls up the middle that other infielders did and and so you know his error rate was it was really low.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think that's kind of the my explanation for a rise is like, he's going to be able to make every play in front of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just what's going to be the the ground ball that's hit up the middle that Logan Webb needs, you know, needs a force out on to save an ending that he doesn't get to and then it's like, oh, man, now here comes Eric Miller and then Brad's like, man again, so that that's just something to watch Miller.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's just something to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... my uh... you know what let it should i just jump into because you talked about it were heading that way can i just jump into my my glass half empty go for it uh... because it's about first base defense uh... and you know i have some other ones too but but going right into that right now first base defense is just absolutely killing this team uh... and i know you're gonna talk about defense again because it's just

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so frustrating to hear it for many years that, you know, the defense has got to get better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Defense has got to get better and then you go out and get these guys like, you know, arise and and, and, and, and, and, and then, and then, and then you put them in a position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has a play and, and so you're dealing with, so you got, you got, you got, Schmidt and Karnasio and, and Devers all at first base, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: In 10 games, those guys

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[SPEAKER_01]: two extra base hits, three extra base hits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they don't necessarily have a true, and like you said, they don't have a true defense of first basements.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Eldridge comes up, is he the true defensive first basement?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, we know he's not because he didn't even play first place in high school.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, so and that's the thing you don't have a true first basement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's usually you can kind of hide a first basement there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's hitting 40 or 50 home runs, look at Jim told me when he played for the fillies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, second or first base was a great first baseman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nah, it wasn't a great first baseman, but he was hitting 50 home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 40 home runs in season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When when your first baseman are all not good first baseman, and they've combined for one home run in 10 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't add up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's my glass half empty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That needs to switch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Devours is hitting bombs, if Devours is hitting gappers, if he's hitting 300 with an OPS of 900, and he's not getting to some plays here and there, or ball gets by him, I'm gonna let it go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he could be David Kingman at first space for all we care if he's doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good Lord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I liked the way Adrian Houser looked in his first game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So much so that I was like, and this is funny how fans are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, wait, did we get a steal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why was this guy kind of readily available for them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he was mid-90s, even a little bit higher than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had snap on his pitches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He gave up six hits and five innings or whatever, and I was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Scouts really good now he's only pitched once in these first 10 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he goes again tonight as we're talking against a painter the the young fills picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did like that because you know my whole thing is it's really web and and Ray and then you don't know what you're going to get after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't been the biggest malley fan so far in the two starts, but you got to give him some rope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did, I thought land a group was excellent in his first start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Second start, not as good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of that stuff wasn't necessarily controllable by him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if housing as the five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: actually pitches, you know, it's strong as a five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's going to be a bonus for the Giants as we sort of figure out what their rotation looks like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I liked what I saw in that first game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, can he replicate that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the time people listen to this, they're going to be that guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you were stupid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That should have been a glass half a half empty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that hasn't happened yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I did like what I saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As of this, I should well, I should say because this NCAA championship tonight, but at this shining moment, that's that's what you got with the answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did like what I saw from him too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it did to have if you can if you can run five guys out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: night after night after night and get what we've gotten so far from them, you know, minus a stinky out in here there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the defense needs to get better in the hitting meets get better in houses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of those guys that can keep you in a game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of my glass half empty scenarios was, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: this lineup that he's been very consistent in rolling out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He made one up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They made one adjustment, which was to move certain guys up and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, I would just hit, I, I would just hit a rise first and just, like, let him lead off every single game, like, I don't know why I don't know, I wish I knew or understood the strategy in batting a domis first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it puts more pressure on him than takes pressure off, but maybe if you're hitting him second or third, you know, maybe he was feeling the heat there, put him fifth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, going back to having a leave on the roster, having an colonocione on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now some of this was they were hamstrung.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because of Devours's hamstring injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now they're not and, you know, I would like to see something, you know, Su-Sec went three for three and they were like, all right, we'll see you in a couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Patrick, when's the last time Patrick Bayley had more than one hit in a game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not that far back, but it feels like it's been forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably a september.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was on a tear last september, but he's not now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It needs a notorious slow starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's a frustrating thing when you've got a guy like SuSack who showed you what he can do on Friday night and you have a notorious slow starter in Bailey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to watch it, you know, in 10 games and it's going to be 11 games because he's starting tonight on Monday night Bailey is in 11 games Bailey has 10 starts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of unheard of in 2026 for catchers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There aren't many catchers that that catch more than 120 something games in a season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of odd to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so maybe this does pay off and maybe Vitello's consistency with his big guns and there's like, thanks for sticking with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were going to come along, Casey Schmidt is another person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Casey Schmidt is technically so far the second best hitter in the giant's lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think he's played in like three games or something or he hasn't played consistently like he did and we were all over him for Planks so much and then he's still a better hitter than the guys right now than the guys that are in the lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So All right, what else you have?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So glass half full.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love me some stone bases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giants are a little more aggressive this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So far, uh, little too aggressive of Chapman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He finally came out of actually slush or Susan slush or got a, uh, some quotes from him today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just looking at the article a minute ago, uh, about his, his running in the ninth inning and he just said, if I could do it over again, I would not elect to steal that base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was paying attention.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just made a bad bad decision there that's completely my fault.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all me and I won't do that again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think at earlier he also said that Devin Williams was kind of slow to the plate for the first couple of deliveries and he thought he had him but ended up being said my run didn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we need a more runners-on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I get it, you know, you're trying to do too much when you're struggling, you try to do too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't fault him so much for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was also after he bailed last yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, must've been very exact and he ended up, yeah, yeah, he held and didn't talk to the media or he had some aches to hunt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did he have aches to hunt?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was Easter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe it's one of your home to the fam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I like the aggressiveness so far, the Giants have five stolen bases and 10 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a couple more attempts as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to translate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, you know, we're 10 games in, you can't sit there and go, oh, that projects too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's always fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When we were kids, remember we used to have the formula, we would sit there and do the formula of, oh, you know, so much so it has 10 home runs and 45 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that translates to 162 games, you need to do the formula and you say, oh, he's going to hit 70 home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I can tell you what the formula would be right now, because they have five stolen bases and 10 games, so there comes the math 81 stolen bases for the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go, that would be almost 15 to 20 more than the giants have been stealing the last couple of seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'd be excited to see, I'd be excited to see 80 plus

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[SPEAKER_01]: But half-class empty the base running mistakes who just talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get on base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to pick your opportunities and then within Cardinals on yesterday thinking he hit one over the fence Then he gets over the first and jogs his way around First base and then turns it on and gets thrown out of second base on the ninth inning And so the things like that you got two guys

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, with bad-based running decisions on the night, that hurts you down the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's my glass half empty as you got to be smarter on the basis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love the aggressiveness and you're going to run yourself out of an any now and then, but you can't do it day after day when you're

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[SPEAKER_01]: when you're scoring a historically low number of runs to start the season as the San Francisco Giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's tough to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's absolutely my my glass half empty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The some part of me is like, you know, in Karnas, you know, and you finally get a chance to play and you dog your your hit and get thrown at the second one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I would be like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have any hitters right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No one's hitting and at least he's he showed yesterday like okay, you know, he can still pop once you got to play him and so that's just how it works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, speaking of not getting many of bats, you know how many of bats, um, Christian costs and oliva have combined, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like in five or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: zero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really neither one of them has come to the plate yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I had a couple of babies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but yes, he was picked running.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He picked ran once and he was going to pinch run yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm Karnasio and gone on, that's what Vitalos said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Cos has pitched a full

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's your bench, there's your bench, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll set a couple again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned that

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[SPEAKER_00]: The outfield defense is improved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very clear to see, jungly and right field is going to be solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he's not going to be as good as he has probably, at least right now because he has had all those reps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you can already see how he reacts to the balls in right field and the trickiness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's done a really good job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bader is just, he just gets great jumps, hat flies off,

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[SPEAKER_00]: recolorful socks flailing like it's just fun to watch in play center fields.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think already a positive and I mentioned tid well being alive arm

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[SPEAKER_00]: Killian is a live arm, young live arm, and Killian's not as young, but and and then of course, you know you also have keep and when who's coming back from injury now he didn't fare too well yesterday, but there's their stuff there that you can use, but it does it still feels like there are roles in the bullpen for the taking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think either of us really believe in Ryan Walker as the permanent closer for 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if he is not, then that means somebody from this unit from this core is going to have to take that spot from him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're just young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just young guys who have never really had big league experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have not pitched high level games at this level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: the stuff that I'm seeing from them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now what does that mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: when, if they're not going to get opportunities to to pitch late, I guess they just kind of have to build up their resumes for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to guess that he probably trusted well more than the others, because he knows Tidwell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be interesting to see who gets like six, seven, eight thinnings in tight games, because I think they will have an opportunity to establish themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, Keaton, when yesterday late, you're like, okay, here, here you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get a clean ending, let's go, let's get back in the dugout and it's like, nope, cannot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a little bit of a different demerit for him, you know, what do you think about the situation?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it was a closer by a committee situation with a bunch of young guys, do you think that benefits them or hurts them to grow a closer?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would probably hurt them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because I think what helps now is like having a established role so that when you're preparing, if you know in your mind, okay, if we're up by two or three or maybe even one, I'm getting the seventh in these scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is beneficial because you prepare, you're mentally prepared, you think about it, you start watching the parts in the lineup, who would I possibly be facing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If all of a sudden you think you're going to pitch in the 7th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And instead, you come into the ninth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a whole different mentality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in some cases, maybe you can't think too much and you just gotta go there and fire darts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that's for the best, but I think in today's day and age with how overcoached these guys are, it's probably best to have set roles and to understand what is expected and to understand

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[SPEAKER_00]: when you're going to throw, and maybe when you're not going to throw, you know, just for those young guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're an older guy, like if you're a Spencer Bivins,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you're just like always fighting for your life, you're like, I don't care if it's the first inning or the ninth inning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The opportunity for me to show my stuff and to put some stuff on tape is what I is what I care about and if I can help this team win by being that flexible that's my role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But these guys, these younger guys, I think they're probably better to have actual specific roles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you know, sometimes you don't you you may not even have the opportunity to do that if if the giants can't close these games out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and remember not too long ago, you know, 10 years ago or so guys would come up through the miners as a closer now you have so many guys that are former starters turned closers that it kind of that mentality is like, okay, well, you failed at starting because you're through way too hard and burned yourself at you can get through three Indians, so we're going to make you a closer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But back in the day, I mean, like I said, maybe 10 years ago, guys were coming up through the system as closers because wasn't Brian Wilson, Brian Wilson was a closer in the miners that's it was his specialty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He came through the system doing that and and there you get a lot of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can fail here and there, but that's how you grow as a closer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you grow as coming into a ninth inning role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot more pressure in the ninth inning now, I think, than there was back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because like, you know, a Raleigh Fingers didn't have that pressure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'd come in and throw two, three endings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't touch his stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if he had to come in and throw one, I mean, that it was pretty breezy for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't that big of a deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you got a guy who comes in, he throwing out of his, he out of his keyster, and he's throwing, you know, 102.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if he walks a guy now, all you have to do is make contact with a 102 and you could put it over the fence, so it gets a little more dangerous, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's old guy stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, I don't need to, I don't need to continue with the infield defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about that enough and, you know, the, I agree with you about stolen bases, but I still just wish that they had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: more just more overall team speed so that they could pressure the defense into not having not being able to make mistakes like they get pressured defensively like guys running hard down the line and you're like oh man I got to get to this thing and if I don't they're going to beat it out and there's urgency there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jung who maybe you know, maybe he's got a little bit of that it's got to get on base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or he's got to hit a ball in the hole and make someone make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, instead of just hitting balls right at guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're listening and you're not sure what we're talking about, watch a Milwaukee Brewer's game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just watch a Milwaukee Brewer's game or two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you'll see what we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys lead the league and stone bases every year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're hustling down the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not that our guys aren't hustling down the line, but they've got like, you talked about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've got teams speed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're making the defense make plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got the game on in the background right now just because I enjoy watching them and and I like to see them get on base and make things happen and I just wish and want them for our team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my guy Jackson Shurio hasn't even played yet because he's still in the injured list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Still on the IL?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so like we said next week, we're more than likely going to be off if there's an opportunity to do something we will try but probably not just because I'm on vacation and and hey early in the season it's better to miss than if it's later in the season and they're in a dog fight for the wild card so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that is going to be it from here, wishing the giants a much better week than these last two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for Brad, I am WG, see you when we see you piece out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.