Posey's Reign, the Devers Trade & Giants Draft Day with Jarrett Seidler | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: it is Thompson to Clark and Brad is on vacation and often when Brad is on vacation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just send a little direct message to Jared and say, hey, you have any time and Jared has been so gracious in order in filling for Brad and you know, and so much enjoyed because I get to

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[SPEAKER_00]: a different a different subset of folks look at the giants, Brad and I are the hardcore giants fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now let's look outside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's look at how maybe the analytical community looks at the giant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jared Siler from baseball perspective is joining me today and it's so funny because

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have like some clear, like, there are some clear moments of when Jared and I have had some conversations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But suppose you're coming on the the devil's trade, like those are like very clear discussions that we've had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will bring those conversations back on today's show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Jared, what's up, man?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just if I disappear at any point, I live in New Jersey and there's very bad thunderstorms rolling through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully I'll be able to pop back on if I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so let's just get right to it so we can get ahead of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, for the the big conversation right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, actually, you know, I think there's some pretty big conversations around the giants, the one that I'm actually really interested in because I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the Bay Area media has really gone that hard in on, uh, right now is kind of the leadership of Buster Posey, the vision of Buster Posey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He came on after, uh, they let go farhons, I eat he and he basically became the face of the team after being as a player, one of the faces of the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there have been some moments this year of, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess we could say pretty horrendous play, some interesting, managerial decisions, interesting, like very negative personnel decisions, I think coming into the season with the bullpen that they came into the season with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet, the target has not been on posey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: some of that has to be because he's going to be a hallfamer soon, but I do wonder if that's going to switch at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's only, you know, we're only a year and a half into his, his run here, but what do you think about the, the job so far that he's done?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'd be a loaded question by the way, but just, you know, because to me, you know, a lot of the attention was on Vatello, and Brad and I were just kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but this roster kind of sucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure that, you know, this is we're really going to be able to, to figure out if the title can actually coach or manage with this roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this was before they started to hit and the roster, the guys started to hit, but when they were not hitting, it was like, we're like, okay, where's the value on some of these guys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now they're hitting, and it's just the pitching isn't there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just a very weird roster right now,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you want to you want to give your brand new manager a best friend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How about give him a great bullpen and nope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just decided, no, we are not doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they gave me the opposite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, what are your thoughts on the job that he's done so far?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So one of the other aspects of this is that he's the one who hired Tony Fee, and I was on this podcast right after Tony Fee was hired too, and also right after Bustler was hired, right after Bustler was hired, this was the strangest baseball operations head hired in the years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I pointed out when Tony's video is higher that this is the strangest manager in a higher and probably decades, just in terms of background skillset.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had absolutely no idea that I am whether it was going to work out or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's obviously trending towards not working out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, every time you stick Tony in front of a microphone, it's incredible as

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[SPEAKER_01]: a fan in a media observer, but if I was in that organization, I'd want to throw up every time this guy wouldn't front of a live microphone, you know, it's kind of got like some of that, like, you know, you just have no idea what he's going to say, you know, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know where he's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's good with guys like Chris Rose, who can actually, he can actually pal around with like, I imagine if he came on with us entered a shooting stuff, he'd be fantastic, but where he's actually maybe a little more you than me, but yeah, I guess it would depend on it would depend on what you asked him for sure, but I think like when he feels like

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can actually show some personality and engage a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He seems really comfortable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he's a little bit under the gun, as far as being judged, he really fires off like these really generic and odd,

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[SPEAKER_00]: answers that don't really answer anything by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he comes up with like these weird comparisons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yesterday for one after Rafael Devers decided that he paid for and they had Jonah Cox come out for him and finally Devers had to come off the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vatela was asked about it and he basically said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love guys like Logan Webb who don't want to cut, he have to pull them off of the field and say, okay, Logan Webb just threw a damn near complete game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get that one, Rafael Devers as below average speed, you're trying to win a baseball game by putting in your fastest player on the field, though you're not equate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't understand a lot of the comparisons that he uses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Deborah's obviously, and we've talked about this multiple times on your podcast, I'm sure you're in Brad, and talked about it too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got the easiest personality in the world to manage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That goes back to, honestly, when he was back in the minor leagues, but certainly throughout it, it was more than 10 here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how he ended up on the Giants, was his relationship with Alex Quarren for office, just completely broke down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alex Quarren actually made up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of his veiled pointed tweets after the Debrus incident the other day about this that you know, maybe indicated that this wasn't me, it was you know, maybe the plighter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, you know, he's he had heard it a very veteran heavy called house with a lot of bigger personalities in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, it's just like he's a completely different manager from the other 29 managers in pay as follows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's just like nobody like him in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a lot more open.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's constantly saying stuff that you couldn't waterboard out of other managers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In other ways, like you said, he's not responsive to a lot of questions that are asked or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know kind of when pressed kind of doesn't give an interesting answer and obviously look at the end of the day this act is fine if the team is good and there's no drama and the team's very much not good and there's drama weekly by weekly I mean just

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[SPEAKER_01]: this past week, you had the Raphael Davers incident and the incident with the private caps and the religious settings on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, getting to that, like Brad and I had a long conversation about that situation last last week, but the thing about like really my frustration, of course,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the, the Christian players who think that they were voicing their first amendment and are not big hits and they don't understand that piece of it, that is, that is some of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other part of it is Tony V. and Buster as the leaders of the team or leaders of the organization just not saying anything knowing that San Francisco as a city historically,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is just, you know, the most liberal place and also pioneering in in some of these scenarios, especially with, you know, with homosexuals and and pride and the big pride parade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this community is pretty big as far as that is concerned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's for them to just be like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're not saying much in, you know, so there's some even conversation going on that Vatelo may have been aware of the plan for this going back a couple weeks and not doing anything or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I have not verified that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've heard that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess my point is is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Busters here, because he's the face of the team, and I think Giants fans were like, great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we had Bochi, we believed that Bochi was kind of like the guy who had things under control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You had a front office that kind of worked very cohesively with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now, you're number one leader in your organization for those world series teams is in that spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, okay, at the very least, we're going to get some leadership there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Buster has been silent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to say anything?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is he going to do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he is just done nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is a letter that Rob Manford wrote in response to, I guess there's been some congressional inquiries more in the Republican side, religious freedom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Rob Manford just within the last couple of hours released a letter that he had sent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, there was obviously a lot in there trying to explain what happened, but one of the breakdown points that the commissioner appointed to was that the giants had not communicated to the players, what their reasonable options were in that case that they had an option to not wear the hats, which,

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[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't 100% what because I believe one of the players did opt to not wear the habits, but yeah, Sam Hankis did not wear the pride hat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a there was a point in the in the letter that the giants were one of the giants along with the Dodgers were probably organizations that are requesting an exemption to continue doing the pride knight, but did not communicate adequately to the players that they had the option to not wear them, but did not have the option

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[SPEAKER_01]: pro-teats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it should be noted, the Giants players from 2020 sex, the 2020 sex science team is not the first series of players to do this exact protest, like first on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I asked, I asked my Dodgers buddy who sometimes comes on with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, you know, what is the difference?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said that he believes that Kursha had to publicly apologize, but then at the same time negotiated like a Christian night, sometime later in the year or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, I, I, you know, obviously this is, this is all just pretty disheartening to me, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a friend Michael Bowman who writes at Fangraps who said that a few years ago that the most successful athlete pro, they're the second most successful athlete pro test in recent times, was a fun pro for of the cocky player who kind of kicked this form of protesting off a few years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was essentially did not face any real consequences to doing it and then now a lot of players and other sports have kind of followed up on it in front of his religious roots issue and it just it kind of sucks and always it sucks that this overshadows the what should be a celebratory night for that community which you know it's just that sucks and here

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how the actual marketing of this thing works, but MLB sells pride merchandise, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants wear pride hats that they I'm sure make a pretty penny on when they sell to the public.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I get what Manfred is saying that it's kind of like a up to the team, but at the

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[SPEAKER_00]: benefits from these type of nights from a marketing perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I'm not saying that they have to go straight up NFL and change rules such as whether or not you can kneel for the star-spangled banner, but there should be some uniformity about how to handle these scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that's what Manford is saying is like, here's what we've given them, but it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, why is it, you know, shouldn't there also be a player's rep communicating what what should be happening here at the same time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know what the answers are to this particular question, but it definitely kind of to loop it back in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't sit for an organization that's supposed to be exhibiting

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[SPEAKER_01]: great leadership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They, you know, that the whole concept of this organization is here's our greatest player of the last one that bonds live in 2007.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess 18 pairs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, Barry was Barry was the best player on the giant, simply was no longer playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Bustler is the best player of the post-bombs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is the face of the franchise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a first-by-all-palt fan bar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here specifically noted, even going all the way back to one of these in college, just a great leader of men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to be here all the way in this direction, put in charge of the great leader of men, Bustler Posey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to come in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to hire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, a great leadership driven college head coach is a very different kind of higher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first college head coach to be higher directly have the college ranks without without pro experience living memory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you kind of just get into the season and it's just like rolling controversy after controversy after controversy after controversy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them obviously

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[SPEAKER_01]: real-life serious implications than others, you know, Raphael Devers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Raphael Demer is basically doing like, you know, comedy routine with the Pintroner is nowhere near to serious to people as the pitcher is protesting Friday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just like, it feels like there's a real lack of organizational direction here, organizational management capacity,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what the giants are trying to do is like a baseball organization, except like pointing at like, you know, and I'll use this word and it applies in a bunch of different contexts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, that's woke and we don't wanna be woke and that applies both for political stances and also like analytics or, you know, modern kind of modern baseball philosophy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as we discussed at the time, I don't hate the idea of being the team that veers heavily into scouting and veers heavily into leadership and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of being the 22nd best team, it being a, quote, moneyball, analytics, or indeed driven team, they just don't seem to be first good at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you kind of look at the bright spots in the farm system in player development.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brace Elderidge was not drafted by this regime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, their top three prospects or international players, some of whom theoretically signed under this regime, but realistically, all of these guys break the deals, years and years and years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Joshua Gonzalez and Luis Hernandez actually agreed to deal as four or five six years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just how the international market goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So on paper, they might be busted or posed the era of signings, but they were not realistically put together by this front office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You look at what they've done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What they did in the draft, the first there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not like their draft a whole lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been okay in the first full process and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You look at what they did at the trade deadline last year, none of those guys are trending like super awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They look like they might have gotten like a puttune catcher and parks harbor might be like an interesting corner bad, but like nothings went like spectacularly there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Drew Gilbert's like fourth outfielder, puttune centerfielder, Blade Tidwell's trending is like a seventh inning guy, like nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: nothing spectacular in the player acquisition on a professional level, nothing spectacular on the amateur acquisition, and especially if you go back and include some of the big contracts of Pustler was involved in right at the end of the ZIDR, because you publicly credited for a lot of those really big contracts at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could be their signed or endeavors case

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and now they're talking about, you know, there's been a bunch of leaks that they want to trade all of these guys in the deadline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who on earth is trading for off-field ever's match to happen a really dumbness right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like these are players signed for ever having down seasons that look like they're the beginning or maybe the second stage of a true decline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are not

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[SPEAKER_01]: players that look like they had a rough first half due to babbit issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the time of the Devers trade, we talked that this was probably going to happen to Devers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You were just hoping it happened in four years and then you're four or five, not your tail.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chapman is still a great defender.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It kind of looks like it's starting to go a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the bats, he's not a VP candidate, even if the war's still going to be a five, five and half, six would season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's puffed up by certain defensive match arts and other defensive match arts say is declining.

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[SPEAKER_01]: William Domus is this, it looks like William Domus is the time phase.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the one that I think hurts even more than devours because

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[SPEAKER_00]: you sign him to be your shortstop and his bat is his bat is flawed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He swings any any pitch that is above the belt he can not get around on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a little bit higher than that and yet that is his favorite pitch to swing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's constantly swinging at this pitch above his above his letters and it's the one he can't hit and the pitchers know it and

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[SPEAKER_00]: throw in pitch after pitch, you know, with two strikes up in that area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if he was playing good defense, then maybe you'll be like, okay, well, maybe you can wait for the hitting to come around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if the hitting and the defense are just average or below average, I'm like, man, we're stuck because you can move him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe the second base, but then you got to find a short stop, theoretically he'd probably be okay at third, but then you got Chapman there, and I just rather see Casey Schmidt in the lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Thomas is kind of blocking them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a whole.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like there's a whole knockdown effect of this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Casey Smith, who's a pretty good defensive in field, there's a pretty good third baseman, good enough that he's played metal in field, is currently starting to let field for you guys, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just not like where he should be playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing else to do because that's the only way that you can have both him and Eldridge in the starting line up at the same time and Eldridge is like a looks like a huge player development way for them, but they've just jammed up the corners with so many

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[SPEAKER_01]: so many other options, it's like where are all of these guys going to play in two years?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it covers Chapman, Edama, are all signed for four or more years and in some cases, it's closer to seven or any.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, but never saw something like seven years left after this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because of all the deferrals, you're talking about this dude is going to be on the payroll for like, you know, 10 years after his career is over, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, it's just it's insane just how much money they have locked up in essentially corner players who look like they're in decline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you can eat some money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you can do what the Metz and the Rangers did and did a do a bad contract for bad contract swap just to get something Ellison here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Met's had a pre-decline starting to decline Brandon Nemo contract that frankly looked from what like the Chapman or Adama's contracts were still a useful player but the Cliding pretty fit probably closer to Adama's Adama's kind of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Adamus looks like he might actually be like the underlying like range metrics on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You almost hope that there's like some kind of underlying like water body injury here that he hasn't disclosed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're trying to play through or something like that because otherwise like a plus 10 to negative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like tracking for like negative 25 to its top range, which is just

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like your, but like the nimo contracts kind of like the Chapman contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe you can get somebody's version of Marcus Semian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you can even get the actual Marcus Semian, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Metz could use a third base for more than a second base when right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe you can do that sort of trade where you trade Chapman for like a similarly bad contract that isn't quite as long and isn't a more useful position or you don't have other alternatives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they can eat a bunch of money if that's something with the ownership swelling to do, different ownership groups are kind of very on that, whether on the willingness to eat money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't recall the giants having eaten a lot of money in one of these deals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They made a weird trade involving Robby Ray, but I thought it was kind of there was like a Robby Ray mechanic or trade that was kind of like this kind of contract swap a few years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But obviously that's also a different from office, but doesn't hit an ownership well and does do this kind of you know what you're doing so bad is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, so when Buster Posi comes, you know, he is present baseball ops.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, like, literally, like, we get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is a memory making business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The last few years, you weren't happy with all the, I mean, essentially what he was saying is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all these openers and all these platoon's like we get it, you know, this place is used to having stars and it's used to, you know, having these really competitive teams and so he comes in like like you said, which is kind of veers all the way to the other side in how baseball is run today and you have actual fans right now in the Bay Area who are watching closely who are like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember those cappler and zaiidi, those were some good days, and really it's just because you know that that one year in 2021 when the giants were just off of the page.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then they were mostly, you know, near 500, those other seasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how bad this year has been as people would call him like, man, remember zaiidi and gave, like those are the days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we get what Buster was saying, like there is a certain style of baseball and kind of a thing with the giants historically, and we tried to lean into this ziety way and this capler way of like, oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you're taking out your third basement or your first basement in the third inning just for this one match up interesting and then by the time the ninth inning comes, you're like, oh, we don't even have any more bench players left like what's going on because of the way that they would manage those games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like it was different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when Buster came, he's like, oh, yeah, all that all that stuff, no more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just like he has not been able to to course correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have given him the benefit of the doubt a little bit, because like I said, this roster, now I couldn't have predicted how bad they could have started out offensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we had thought like, okay, end of last season, they showed something, maybe that in spring training, which means nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When spring training the team was playing well, and so you come into the beginning of the season and they bring in the New York Yankees in this, like, oh my gosh, like there's such a talent discrepancy

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing is that you know you kind of just like thought well

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[SPEAKER_00]: The team started the gel last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got some new energy with the manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Busters got his feet wet a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a chemistry aspect of this that they'll eventually start to play well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they really, I don't really have had a winning month yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing about the tello is the reason why I've given him the benefit of the doubt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what I mentioned, which is the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Buster, the back end of the rotation end the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buster was like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not big game hunting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are going to find guys who other teams just missed out on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to bring them in Adrian Houser two years 22 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just put this dude in the bullpen because they said he can get right is out, but that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's so you now you have your the guy you signed for two years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're number five guy, he's now in the bullpen Tyler Malley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on the deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't pitched well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, why do I even have to watch Tyler Malley?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would rather watch Carson, wizard hunt, give up home runs than watch Tyler Malley, because I just know what Tyler Malley is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Carson, wizard, at least is fresh and young, and he could learn on the ropes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like stuff like that, where coming into the season, we're just like, man, you know, you really want to set Vatelo up well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: with the bullpen and the back end of the rotation were like, man, they really, they really put the sky kind of on the burner and on day one, hoping maybe that the offense would carry them, and then the offense started so cold, they got in the hole, and now we just are seeing a team that's like, I think what are they like, 15 games under 500 right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that, no matter how bad they are because of MLB's current anti-tanking rules, they cannot pick higher than 10th in the 2027 draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are locked into no, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The 10th pick, they're going to have the 10th pick because they're going to be the worst locked out team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so it's not like they're not lottery eligible next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've got the fourth pick that's here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll, I'm sure, talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know there's that this is not like a great firm system and it's also like very specifically like it doesn't have a lot of interesting pitchers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The town that's here is like low-level middle and field talent for the most part of the guys that are high A and lower I think Johnny level just got promoted a couple weeks ago if memory serves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's two guys that are in the complex and one guy that's in the low minors and they're all up the middle

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've got like one interesting able pitching prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe the giant's one that's keen or more keen as I always get keen or more keen as and keen or beneath as I just probably confirm that I have the right keen or yes, keen or more keen as keen or more keen as is the right hander from giants, keen or bet it does is a lot better from the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he's an interesting fastball slider guy, but there's just like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's some of the wall miners, like Jacob breast and hands, like kind of interesting is lefty prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's some of the wall miners, and both of those guys are like walking up all part in the wall miners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like not close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think with a month in Tidwell or both technically stole prospect eligible, but like Tidwell's not, he's got control issues as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, they're not like, those guys are not making a difference in your pitching staff, like as things are going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like the entirety of like they're interesting upper level pitching to a flight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a there is nobody else coming in terms of pitching prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like the next year or two that you as a giant fan

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure if you've seen Tidwell and Wissenhine, you have clocked what they are, which is the tip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's why we have to do the back in McDonald's, and those guys are, sometimes you can't even tell them apart, because you don't know which one is up and which one is down, like it's just, yeah, it is not, it's not fun to look forward to at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Other than Kill Killian, who's been a nice find, they have not found the ability to consistently dig out these types of pits or just from other teams and acquire them for low amounts of either cash or prospectal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is something that if you are going to run this construct and you are going to not have any upper minors pitching depth That's the type of thing you need to be doing is finding interesting kind of scrappy guys and said they're finding scrappy guys are all terrible

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[SPEAKER_01]: And honestly, those two things do tend to run hand-in-hand because, as you would imagine, the ability to draft and develop a pitcher is pretty closely correlated with the ability to get somebody else's 25-year-old pitcher determined that they're good, but the other team doesn't realize it and then develop them, like these are correlated skill sets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a large part that's seen people within the same front office trying to do the same thing just in a different acquisition arena.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not teams that this is relating to a point that I make pretty often is that the teams that are worst at drafting are often the teams that draft the highest because they're bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how they become bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of dumb teams constantly are picking at the top of the draft and continuing to do dumb things like the angels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what the angels did last year or like the angels took Tyler Bremner with a number two pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have him as mid first round prospect or people that had a pie, but the next pick was Kate Anderson, who's like one of the top 10 prospects and baseball now and all the other guys that they pause all the other interesting pictures that went in the top 10, Liam Doyle, Sephirn and as these were among the best pitching prospects baseball and pilot grander, so what's like you guys are going to have to do the middle of the first round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be good at something, like you can, you can serve, you can veer, you can do whatever different thing that you don't want to do that makes you different than other teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all well and good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to do it well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you just have to do it well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, you end up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with this kind of non-sensical roster construction, lack of any pitching depth, all of your money, all of your acquisition chits are tied up in these corner pliers, or an Adamus's case, a guy who probably should be a corner player at this point that are now signed through the end of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just like I don't,

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you hire somebody like Buster Posey, who means so much to your franchise, it's going to be very hard to make a change here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If a change eventually needs to be made, it's going to be very, it's, it makes, if things go bad and things almost always go bad with guys running baseball teams, other than Brian Cashman,

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[SPEAKER_01]: everybody eventually has a falling out with their I've been pranked, hasn't said 10 falling out with this owner, so I peed just days through them and they tie everything back up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But these stories usually don't end in happy fun times at some point, occasionally they do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like 90% of the time you're going to end up, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that somebody, whether it's either the guy running the team or the other ship, is going to want out of the situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it just becomes so much more loaded when it's us or closing because now you have a situation where he's very close and tied in with that ownership group, he means so much to the fanbase.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's also going to get it becomes a lot more difficult to even talk about, you've kind of mentioned this at the top with the media reaction, because the fans are an adversary, emotional response to, oh my god, why does this clown who writes for baseball perspectives think that he knows more about baseball than monster posing on us?

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[SPEAKER_01]: even as horrible as the team has been for the last two years since what's supposed to took over and with the direction of the call been no driving and fans turning on all of these players and wishing they'd gave Catholic and far-hand back, there's still going to have people out there listening to the show going, oh my god how does this guy think he knows more about baseball and buzz the policy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: that that is the genesis of this show and this network because I always preface because you can't just assume that people know that you yourself understand your limitations like for instance the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We do a podcast on on the Golden State Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and there's a young a rookie player who is not playing and there's like the fans are like really interested in seeing her play and the coach is giving these reasons and I always profits to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Coach Nikase, she's in the locker room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She knows all these I'm only looking at it from the outside and so that's my perspective and Brad and I do the same thing with this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is our perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is some historical and educational and like really solid analysis because of our backgrounds, but at the same time

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not on the beat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not in the lockers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see what are the conversations that are happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see what they believe urgency is are baseball's 160 who games you always hear about that so it is some of it is kind of reactive and rash, but that is part of podcasting in general, but you do want that like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: up to date.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we do the weekly thing and I'm actually so happy I'm talking to you today so that because Brad and I would have had to look back at last week in giant space when they get swept by the marlins and, you know, Sam, no pride hat hencus, you know, gives up the the winning run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's like stuff like that where you're just like, yeah, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are longtime fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you look at the game through a specific lens and with my journalism training, I have a good tick of being able to kind of separate the uber fandom from like real, you know, really ununbiased view, but not everybody can do that, not everybody thinks like that, especially people who are listening, they just, you know, they have their favorites and such.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Buster, you know, that I think that's the hard part about Buster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was never the biggest diehard buster guy even when he was playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I of course thought he was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked buster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was more of a, you know, Timmy guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, emotionally the guys who just like, you know, just had just just left it all out there and busters a little bit more like corporate and like really like calm and and already like a seasoned vet in his rookie year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was a great player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to go into Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be happy to see him going to Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but I don't have that like diehard buster fandom when I see him in this role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I probably can see him in a different life than a lot of the hardcore Giants fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I would love to see out of him

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what he's thinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a wonder what he thinks about this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what he thinks about this roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder what he thinks about the Pride Hat demonstration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was still playing, or maybe it was the year after he retired where they started doing the pride stuff consistently at least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he knows the city, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows the city better than any of these players do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to see him come out and make a statement and I know he was that I Brad and I was joked that he was on a on can be are, which is where I used to work, by the way, when I was out of college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were talking about the bullpin and he was kind of joking around and you know, because he's a he's a hall of favor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has this gravitas around him, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Radio guys asking him questions though, Brian Murphy is a legend in this area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're kind of asking about the pope, and he's like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You wanted me to sign Edwin Diaz, huh?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look what happened there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of like what he said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like, yes, okay, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can kind of puff your chest out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You are Buster Posey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you didn't actually answer the question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't have to be Edwin Diaz.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were other arms out there that were available.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not saying that they would have been any better, but at least there would have been an attempt instead of a punt, which is what they did, is they just punted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's just like that stuff where I would love for him

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, kind of come out and let us know like, okay, yeah, this is your sucks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's the plan?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he like, how are we doing this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, especially with the pride stuff, I feel like not saying anything is a statement in it of itself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that is wedding that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Winger and not coming out either way is going to be taken a certain way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And look here's what he knows and he knows that and the PR staff knows that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's what is unspoken about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buster's where's Buster from Georgia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably not completely aligned with everything San Francisco related, but he also played here for so many years and he understands the fan base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the part that I wanted to hear from him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if he doesn't have to tell me what his politics are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care actually, but for him to know, hey, I've played here since I was 22 years

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if you are coming off of a world series championship and your Hall of Fame picture does it, I'm sure it's probably frustrating for some of those Dodgers fans, but it's less frustrating than when your team is, you know, terrible and and

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're to use a a pro wrestling terminology, your jobers are on the mound who are doing this thing with the hat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, it just feels a little bit more like a slap in the face in that way, but that's beside the point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he would come out and and make it feel like, you know, he's seeing the same things that we are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I know I get he doesn't want to undercut Vatelo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vatelo's here for a long time, unless they want to eat a lot of money that they see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you tell me if they're going to be willing to eat that $5 million a year, whatever they're paying him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the thing about telling me is I think it pretty much any time he could go back to college, have his pick of jobs and make that kind of money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so so he would have to want that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, if this goes bad, my guess is there's probably a way to negotiate some kind of buy out at some point, right, there's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what kind of offset line we're just in this contract and things like that, that would obviously very greatly depending on what happens there, but I don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: know that they're necessarily locked into that for, let's say, the real full year is if everybody does that some point goes, hey, this isn't working.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to make a change.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be happier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you'd go back to Tennessee or go to one of the other major schools.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's a, and this has become very topical over the last week with changes that were folded the draft stocks are in the senior negotiations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a ton of money in college baseball that

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[SPEAKER_01]: years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reason that the tele is the highest paid first-line manager in major league history is because that's what they needed to do to even get in the range of what you was already making a tenth save because a guy of his stature in the college name makes three to four billion dollars now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that just wasn't true a number of years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, maybe there's an eject button there, eventually I think we're probably still a full calendar year for even discussing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, if he does, though, you know, I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... there it's kind of a blip on uh... on the posey uh... resume if that if that was to happen uh... it is a blip i can't imagine teams will be all that invested to bring him back to the majors to see him dip back like that uh... you know so this is nixie right this is exactly what it is

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Nick Sabin, one of National Championship in college, went to the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, Dolphins, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't at the Dolphins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was at the Dolphins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Failed very quickly went back to Alabama and immediately became,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Certainly modern major college football history, the greatest head coach ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how I'm Or do you compare him to like they were Brian right somebody like that like it's just that it completely different But it's it's what compared it's like comparing so a lot on you know Babe Ruth at that point like it's like the roles that games aren't in the same real

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, like that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This could just be Nick Sabin, where it's like one shot to be a, and Nick Sabin for the rest of his career was always attached to some NFL team trying to get him back, um, and it never happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he just ended up being finished on his career in Alabama and retired is the greatest coaching for the last 50 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it could be that it could also be if he does go back, it could become the college basketball version of Danny Hurley, who just whenever a team, and whenever a job comes up, he's like, oh, yeah, you can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, my name is in, in, you know, is up for this job, and they're like, okay, dude, we'll pay you an extra million, this, you know, for the next five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's his dance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, back, that could be that as well, where he just uses the MLB to continue the up his

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked a lot about the negativity and the frustration that Brad and I have had all year long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a rise is probably going to get dealt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine Robbie Ray if there are takers for this version of Robbie Ray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine he's going to get dealt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know who else from this roster is a valet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe like a six or seventh inning guy, then as a ninth inning guy, but he I think he is proven that, you know, he's he's he's he can be a value somewhere, but on this roster like he's got less than one year of service time, like do you even want to trade him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he a guy that you want to keep in your bullpen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's sure if you're getting like the Louis Farland Return that the twins got last year, maybe you trade them, but those guys, those very low service time relievers become really, really hard to value on the open market.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's on the older side a little bit though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like in his late 20s already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it becomes a really hard thing to kind of square.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're off kind of the same discussion with Eric Miller, who might be a little interesting to team seeking like a mid leverage lefty or waver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the best guy they have is Logan Webb, and essentially at some point you're going to have to make a decision on Logan Webb, they've already leaked that it's not going to be this year and they're not going to do that at the deadline this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But as they continue to be far away from competing, the idea of trading Logan Webb might be come a little more interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they almost clearly are the worst team in baseball, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, but is there an actual functional difference between being the worst team in the fourth worst team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this the same thing that Bucks are having to deal with when Yana's right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess it would depend because the giants very clearly are need to pack that place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which is between 10 and 2027.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's it's whether it's contender whether it's fake contending, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your faces of the franchise who bring the fans out, they kind of have to be there because I don't know if you, I mean, you know this I'm sure, but like last year they actually had a bit of a comeback in their attendance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this year, even being bad like the attendance has been steady

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so an interesting thing about MLB attendance is that it basically always lags one year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're getting the team being absolutely horrible this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll show up more next year as it rendens than this year's date.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because this season's tickets and all that season tickets packages people buying tickets for their kids birthday for Christmas stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, next story my new might be seeing

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The majority of the tickets are sold before the season, just for all the tickets are sold to scalpers that are betting on the team being good, everybody trying to hold tickets for the playoff package and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like gate tends to be a lagging indicator by ballot the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What actually happens is you have, quote, capacity crowds where it's actually 40% full and it's a giant joke that it's a fake capacity crowd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I, what is this pet team's path?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can pending for 2020s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going to go on the side to reach mobile for 500 million dollars?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, he's kind of local ish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's been rumors they want to apply on the West Coast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's typically been associated with the Dodgers, more than the Giants, but like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: past him, there's no good free agents, and there's going to be a lock out that presents the offseason on December 1st.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what are you going to accomplish here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That I guess I've judged.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's $1,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's $1,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's $1,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's $1,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: further gum up the situation with players who are probably in decline and probably shouldn't be playing up the middle spots anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not not if he's still not going to work up he can't play an earned field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine putting jazz chism in that clubhouse with Tony V8?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, me as an outside observer who gets to find all of this stuff funny and doesn't have to, like, care about this or podcast like the team or watch the team constantly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I find this funny, but I can't imagine finding as funny as a fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that would be particularly entertaining.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, you know, I think it's, I think it's the realization is what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you like the last few years, Brad and I have been saying,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, really it's about getting to 500 and then if you get to 500 you can really compete for that last wild card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: there's six flyoff teams now, you're aiming for 86 wins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the science could get to 86 wins just by making a couple of decent trades and getting Milwaukee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a thing that could happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's a lower expectation these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you theoretically go, well, you can talk yourself into X, Y, and Z.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And last year, I made a comment on our show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I figured what the giant's record was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were really excited, but I said, remember the last couple of seasons, they have played so poorly in the second half that I'm not even going to care about like what the record is right now and then magically they had to tank the second half last year too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the expectation is if you get to 500, then wake me up because I just don't believe that that you're going to be above 500.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But looking at it that way is like, yeah, like you see that what the Dodgers are doing and you're just like, there's that that gives you even less hope because you look at what they do and you go, okay, we are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like a full universe away from them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like that's, and that's what you measure yourself again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that makes it even worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, like it hasn't been fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fun in a way of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: keeping up with it, like, and really analyzing it and talking smartly about it and having like some thoughts about, okay, why is this not working and why is this not working or defensively when they muck up stuff and not understanding it whereas your random fan really doesn't follow that closely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that stuff is cool, but, you know, ultimately you do want them to win, but, okay, like I said, let's focus on two more things and then we'll get you out of here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing is, is Bryce Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw, I think you had a, you had a blue sky post the other day about him that, that Brad and I saw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I will say, I was worried, because Devers basically blocks him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was just thinking, like, how can you have two guys playing the same position, kind of hit the same or same style of hitter?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce Eldridge has shown a much better eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just figured this dude was going to be swing and through everything, at least for this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just hoping that he was going to get enough reps to where he was going to be able to figure things out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody, I want to say it was maybe Khyper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: said it reminded him a little bit of Will Clark, but he wanted to preface that by saying, look, I'm not saying he's Will Clark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that the way that he makes adjustments this early in his career reminded him of a young Will Clark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that even, even saying that because Kip was there, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kip was, um, if he wasn't in the dugout, he was absolutely doing games back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kruko was in the dugout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to think of like that, that guy shows that much, um, savviness as a hitter already, I just didn't think it was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew the power was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I figured that the size of his drag zone would be a little rough, especially when Major League Pictures started attacking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I imagine next year there will be better plans of attack against him because you have some

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, we've talked about him, I think every time I've come on this show for three years now, there are not a lot of players in the entirety of the sport that have his physical ability.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not a lot of guys that are built like this, most of the guys that are built like this have absolutely brutal contact ability.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has really good contact ability for his size.

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[SPEAKER_01]: his size in the life of his arms mean that there's going to be a fair amount of swagging miss even when things are going well he's never going to be a low with player but if he is like a medium to medium high with player the guy is going to be a super star and that looks like we're trending in that direction it's the very early

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is a guy who just has immense power potential has a real idea of what he's doing at the play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It has a real idea of what pitches he wants to hunt for David.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's made a lot of adjustments in the 2020 season in coming in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got promoted very young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got promoted to the major leagues in his age 20 season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember if it was before or after his 21st birthday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was moved up a lot or very quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was surprised when they called him up last September.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like the middle of September.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I recall correctly, I recall coming on here and say, well, they didn't call him up this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that they had the greatest plan for breaking him into the major leagues, both of how they handled the end of the 2020-25 season in the beginning of the 2026 season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was up for about three weeks and like barely playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was playing twice a week and like pinch hitting a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, that actually wants a common way to break players in and through like the 80s and early 90s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, as long as you're only doing that for a couple of weeks, it's not like that kind of a deal if they continue doing that for a long period of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would have been a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's just, he's got tremendous physical skills.

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[SPEAKER_01]: paired with a real idea of what he wants to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the sky is a limit for that guy, authentically, defensively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First base, he stole a mask.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's always going to be in mass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Him and Dembers are probably going to be turning first base into the age reps for the next eight years or whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's fine, it's first base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's six foot seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's at least going to provide a good target there for the, for the, in, in fielders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But his foot works not great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was wanting to see him try out the outfield just because he's got the athleticism for it, but I guess his footwork's not great at first bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably not going to be great in right field either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's also got great arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's a take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can just try to do it for us, but I've never got a pitch for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was still good as a hitter than ever going to round to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but he's he's he's tremendous and getting back to the point you made before when you compare this to the nationals, you know, maybe he is their James Wood and maybe he propels them back into

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[SPEAKER_01]: teams to view themselves as friends contenders because now you get 85, 86 wins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're locked out of the lottery for multiple years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's really no reason to tank out, like some teams have been doing in the past, trying to rack multiple top three picks in a row, multiple top five picks in a row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there really isn't any

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[SPEAKER_01]: reason for the giants, not to go for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of skeptical, but going to be able to turn it around to 2027.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not impossible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get kind of a building block, young player, like this, and he can really just, you know, he could be a 5, 6, 7, 1 player, really quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and that sort of backpapers over a lot of decline from other players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and they do have other exciting prospects in the farm system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that any of them are 227 players, but they're going to, I'm pretty sure they're going to put three players on our midseason top 50, uh, um, they're all, again, they're a lower level player, lower level position player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about Hernandez Gonzalez and in level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those guys I think are pretty we haven't totally broken it down yet, but like I level and Gonzalez like 100% or going to be on our vets is in top 50 I think it was pretty good chance on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Gonzalez just came back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had an entry for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he's this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Season with recurring hamstring problems, but we had him pretty comfortably in the top 50 preseason and he supposedly looked pretty good in spring training before all of that happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the top 50 prospects are graduated too, so just kind of moving up, like, or role moving up stuff, he might not drop as much as you'd think from having a three-month hamstring injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Elder just, Elder just is really exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, I mean, if he's a bug in front of his friend, I'll work at the ear, even though he's not less blind time than a lot of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he,

58:33.185 --> 58:34.947
[SPEAKER_01]: you should be really excited about him.

58:34.987 --> 58:36.708
[SPEAKER_01]: You should be excited to see him play.

58:36.728 --> 58:38.830
[SPEAKER_01]: You should be excited to go to ballpark a lot.

58:39.050 --> 58:54.523
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is season where there's probably not going to be a whole lot else other than what you can get for Luis Reyes, which, again, credit to Buster, I thought that this was absolutely not to sign Luis Reyes and play him in second base.

58:54.883 --> 58:56.985
[SPEAKER_01]: He's been perfectly adequate in second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, thoughts on how good of a defender he is.

59:06.546 --> 59:09.429
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he made, he's making the plays that are in front of him for sure.

59:10.190 --> 59:13.373
[SPEAKER_00]: But there will be a play up the middle where I'll be like, okay.

59:14.247 --> 59:25.936
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when I was growing up, Bob Renley used to say that Robby Thompson, or the Ryan Sandberg, would have to dive for balls that Robby Thompson could get without having to dive for.

59:26.817 --> 59:31.781
[SPEAKER_00]: Arise is not getting to a ton of balls, but he's making the plays in front of him.

59:32.521 --> 59:37.765
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not because the giants make some really dumb mistakes and he's not making those dumb mistakes.

59:37.805 --> 59:51.557
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like everybody else so I've I've been in I've really like watching play and look he's a professional hit or he's a hitter from back in the days of like the Tony win era where these guys don't strike out they're swinging at.

59:52.157 --> 01:00:02.986
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're just swinging at pitches specifically to hit it to a certain area on the field to get a runner in a specific like all of that stuff like he does all of those things so it's kind of a little bit of a throwback and that is fun to watch.

01:00:03.647 --> 01:00:10.673
[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, and you know that he's really here to be trade bait for somebody else to help another team in the playoffs.

01:00:12.109 --> 01:00:20.673
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is a guy that people thought was unplayable even at first base, like people were only looking at the age and it's like, why are you finding him to play second base?

01:00:20.693 --> 01:00:27.777
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Ron Washington and maybe they're giving Ron Washington all the credit to our credit to Ryan's credit to Washington and credit to Posey.

01:00:27.957 --> 01:00:32.380
[SPEAKER_01]: I was one of the people that was like what on earth are you doing just like Casey Smith there?

01:00:33.460 --> 01:00:35.581
[SPEAKER_01]: And they signed the riots.

01:00:35.661 --> 01:00:37.562
[SPEAKER_01]: He's had a really nice season.

01:00:38.623 --> 01:00:56.345
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a pretty good chance he's going to be at all far and he's going to get flipped for, you know, probably like a from stop 100 by prospect of the deadline for you guys, but he should based on the type of skills he's been talking this year and let's let's hang out a nice thing.

01:00:57.105 --> 01:01:06.671
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it's going to be a tough last two months, this is, and, but Eldridge, I think Eldridge is the real deal in terms of being a potential star position player.

01:01:06.711 --> 01:01:16.856
[SPEAKER_01]: I was a huge fan of his and his prospect and he's already made a number of significant adjustments on kind of how he's, how he's attacking the baseball, especially with him.

01:01:16.876 --> 01:01:21.419
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, it's not in a way that what sustainable to me and I really hope it's sustainable for him.

01:01:22.265 --> 01:01:24.165
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, last part of this show here.

01:01:24.586 --> 01:01:26.146
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the upcoming draft.

01:01:26.346 --> 01:01:28.706
[SPEAKER_00]: Is the draft around all star break?

01:01:28.746 --> 01:01:29.427
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what it happens?

01:01:29.447 --> 01:01:32.907
[SPEAKER_01]: The draft is now the Saturday of the All Star game.

01:01:32.967 --> 01:01:34.988
[SPEAKER_01]: The All Star game is in Philly.

01:01:35.648 --> 01:01:39.649
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a pretty good chance I'm going to be covering the All Star weekend festivities.

01:01:39.829 --> 01:01:50.271
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'm going to cover the draft because I don't know if it's, they put on a Saturday, the Saturday afternoon like while there's still baseball going on and I'm just going to tell you.

01:01:50.531 --> 01:01:52.673
[SPEAKER_01]: like what I do and like this.

01:01:53.433 --> 01:01:55.735
[SPEAKER_01]: There's such a, they could just put it on the Wednesday.

01:01:55.755 --> 01:01:58.176
[SPEAKER_01]: There's nothing happening the Wednesday after the All-Fart game.

01:01:58.196 --> 01:02:00.938
[SPEAKER_01]: There's never anything happening the Wednesday at the All-Fart game.

01:02:00.958 --> 01:02:02.519
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the SVs or whatever.

01:02:02.719 --> 01:02:04.220
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's there.

01:02:04.821 --> 01:02:06.442
[SPEAKER_01]: But that, I'll be that as a day.

01:02:06.482 --> 01:02:11.245
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been on the Sunday night in recent years after the future's game.

01:02:11.445 --> 01:02:14.147
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, they moved it to Saturday this year out of.

01:02:14.587 --> 01:02:32.543
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody I know hates the draft being an all-star weekend, by the way, to be around now, which is what it used to be, because it extends the, it basically extends everybody's schedules, and it also starts to come up the trade deadline, because a lot of people that are working on the draft,

01:02:32.883 --> 01:02:53.890
[SPEAKER_01]: turn around to work on the trade debt right after the draft which means like trade deadline activities and even like scouting and that type of stuff doesn't get started on until the all-star break so if trades are mostly happening a little bit later and a little bit closer to the deadline these days I think it's because they move the draft to also recon about five years ago um the giants have the fourth pick

01:02:55.590 --> 01:03:11.723
[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote a column about a month ago, a suggesting they should just wildly exceed their draft pool, which is a column that I write every couple of years about one special team that's best positioned, that I think the giants are really well positioned to do it.

01:03:12.123 --> 01:03:16.207
[SPEAKER_01]: The MR other than 90 second version of this, the MRB draft,

01:03:16.807 --> 01:03:17.268
[SPEAKER_01]: pool.

01:03:17.529 --> 01:03:20.554
[SPEAKER_01]: The bonus pool is a soft cap and is not a hard cap.

01:03:20.615 --> 01:03:22.137
[SPEAKER_01]: You are allowed to exceed it.

01:03:22.759 --> 01:03:27.087
[SPEAKER_01]: The penalty for exceeding it is your next two first round draft picks.

01:03:28.012 --> 01:03:36.399
[SPEAKER_01]: If you, and that is the penult and there's also a financial penalties, but the actual tangible penalty is lost in your next two first standard outfits.

01:03:36.999 --> 01:03:40.442
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the penalty if you've exceeded by 110% so you spend 110% of your pool.

01:03:40.582 --> 01:03:42.784
[SPEAKER_01]: It's also the same penalty if you spend 2,000% of your pool.

01:03:47.367 --> 01:03:55.816
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have occasionally advocated over the years that some enterprising team, and there were teams that did this when the eye-of-a-fables were soft-capped as well.

01:03:55.876 --> 01:04:02.322
[SPEAKER_01]: The red socks did it when they signed Yohan Moncata, if I were called correctly, before they tried it them for her sale.

01:04:04.219 --> 01:04:12.165
[SPEAKER_01]: But there were a bunch of teams that did this in the IFA polls and it was very successful for them, even though they were locked out of the next two IFA polls and pounders were set up for it similarly.

01:04:13.346 --> 01:04:17.970
[SPEAKER_01]: I have occasionally suggested that teams should be willing to give up their next two first two.

01:04:18.971 --> 01:04:29.921
[SPEAKER_01]: The next two first round draft exit, almost tongue twisted me there, and I think the giants are pretty well positioned to do it this year because they're, they know what their pitch going to be next year.

01:04:29.981 --> 01:04:32.122
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to win the lottery next year.

01:04:32.182 --> 01:04:34.364
[SPEAKER_01]: They cannot win the lottery next year.

01:04:34.404 --> 01:04:35.665
[SPEAKER_01]: They would be giving up the 10th pit.

01:04:36.486 --> 01:04:51.119
[SPEAKER_01]: they have the fourth pick, they could offer somebody like Rocholowski, an enormous amount of money if he can get to the fourth pick, which has been a rumor that's been going around, but it's been connected to them, and

01:04:51.699 --> 01:04:56.323
[SPEAKER_01]: giving almost their entire draft bonus pool to Rock, to Alaska.

01:04:56.423 --> 01:05:08.815
[SPEAKER_01]: It was theorized as one of the reasons that they got the Guardian's Compack in the Patrick Valley trade was that they could go way over slot at the fourth pick to get one of the top players down.

01:05:10.016 --> 01:05:12.458
[SPEAKER_01]: They have the fourth pick,

01:05:12.718 --> 01:05:17.224
[SPEAKER_01]: in what is increasingly being thought of as a three player draft.

01:05:17.424 --> 01:05:20.088
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, it is the MLB draft.

01:05:20.268 --> 01:05:22.891
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's nowhere near universal.

01:05:23.372 --> 01:05:29.380
[SPEAKER_01]: We actually had those three players one two and four on our draft for there was a player in between.

01:05:31.462 --> 01:05:40.050
[SPEAKER_01]: but there's been pretty consistent rumblings that the giants are absolutely involved with the UCLA sorts that brought to Alaska for months now.

01:05:41.132 --> 01:05:54.585
[SPEAKER_01]: A number of people who reported it, we mentioned it, we've mentioned in our own draft work, Bob Knight can get what USA today is reported it, kind of the McDaniel DSPN is reported it, and I'm sure other people who reported it as well, those were just the two that I remember off the top of my head.

01:05:55.225 --> 01:06:00.688
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he is generally, but not universally considered the number one player in the draft pool.

01:06:00.748 --> 01:06:14.154
[SPEAKER_01]: The other two players that are considered up there, Brady Emerson, who's a high school shortstop, he's the brother of Colt Emerson, who's a top mariners prospect, and Vaughn Lacky, who's a catcher from Georgia Tech.

01:06:14.254 --> 01:06:18.756
[SPEAKER_01]: And you could possibly imagine a catcher from Georgia Tech, who's had

01:06:19.776 --> 01:06:28.863
[SPEAKER_01]: to a, and especially offensive performance, appealing to Boston pros and particular, and the giant's catching situation, which looked like it had been solved for the next five years in all of our old stuff.

01:06:28.903 --> 01:06:34.287
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, tell the fans that when they will have the nightmares of Joey Barton, Patrick Bailey.

01:06:34.327 --> 01:06:40.372
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, sure, I didn't think that.

01:06:40.752 --> 01:07:03.323
[SPEAKER_01]: But they have been most closely associated with Tualowski and Emerson and the idea kind of would be that they could get they could tell one of those guys Okay, if you get to the fourth pick, we'll give you $20 million and then sign with every succeeding pick give like $5 million to some difficult to sign Paceful Talod

01:07:03.883 --> 01:07:10.750
[SPEAKER_01]: it would cost the orders of group hundreds of millions of dollars in real money and they would surrender their next two first round draft picks.

01:07:11.210 --> 01:07:13.573
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the giant's are really well positioned to do it.

01:07:13.633 --> 01:07:16.856
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the odds that they do it are like the all-one percent.

01:07:17.457 --> 01:07:18.077
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those things.

01:07:18.117 --> 01:07:20.039
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like really fun to write about in a column.

01:07:21.361 --> 01:07:22.201
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, they,

01:07:22.982 --> 01:07:30.469
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think outside of them giving Chalowski a absolutely not so bonus that will get to four.

01:07:31.830 --> 01:07:33.751
[SPEAKER_01]: You might make it pass the white socks.

01:07:33.771 --> 01:07:43.660
[SPEAKER_01]: There's been a lot of rumors that the white socks are not like puttyly in on him as the number one pick, but I think the raise at number two really like him a lot.

01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:45.722
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the word that's been going around.

01:07:46.362 --> 01:07:58.347
[SPEAKER_01]: There are other guys that might go in the top three ahead of the consensus top three prospects, Jackson Flora, who's from, I think you see Santa Barbara, he's from a directional, you see I think it's Santa Barbara.

01:07:58.388 --> 01:07:59.568
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

01:07:59.808 --> 01:08:02.890
[SPEAKER_01]: The pitching prospect, he's a really good prospect.

01:08:02.910 --> 01:08:05.551
[SPEAKER_01]: We actually write the number three on our initial draft board.

01:08:06.551 --> 01:08:09.393
[SPEAKER_01]: He just sometimes pitching prospects don't go as high as you think.

01:08:10.513 --> 01:08:14.635
[SPEAKER_01]: technical reasons or medicals or stuff that we don't know about.

01:08:15.435 --> 01:08:23.039
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's other prospects that are like in that general time, time and space continuum.

01:08:23.359 --> 01:08:27.801
[SPEAKER_01]: Like right or help for it, the Arkansas catcher is an incredible defender.

01:08:28.282 --> 01:08:30.523
[SPEAKER_01]: That's another, that's certainly

01:08:38.664 --> 01:08:41.268
[SPEAKER_01]: hopefully better hitter than Patrick Belly.

01:08:41.909 --> 01:08:51.582
[SPEAKER_01]: And the name that has been very frequently connected to the giants, who I would not even consider at this pick, but a lot of people would,

01:08:54.005 --> 01:09:02.188
[SPEAKER_01]: He is the brother of George Lombard, Jr., the son of George Lombard, senior, the former major league outfielder in the park coach.

01:09:02.568 --> 01:09:09.331
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not, and our staff at baseball perspective, we do not think he can hit like that all, but no, people.

01:09:09.691 --> 01:09:12.872
[SPEAKER_01]: There are people out there that very much disagree with that.

01:09:12.912 --> 01:09:16.914
[SPEAKER_01]: There are smart people out there that think he's one of the three or four best prospects.

01:09:17.554 --> 01:09:22.758
[SPEAKER_00]: He and Flora are the ones that are most mocked to that spot that I see.

01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:33.187
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, well, again, that's mostly mocks at this point or not based generally on extreme intel.

01:09:33.227 --> 01:09:42.995
[SPEAKER_01]: The type of intel you're getting at this time of year is this general manager, this scouting director showed up at this player's game.

01:09:43.655 --> 01:09:45.236
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, because teams haven't even.

01:09:45.616 --> 01:09:49.438
[SPEAKER_01]: The giants right now probably have no idea who they're picking.

01:09:49.698 --> 01:09:54.240
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're still far enough out from the draft that we're about three weeks out from the draft.

01:09:54.260 --> 01:09:58.282
[SPEAKER_01]: The giants probably have no idea because they don't know what the teams ahead of them are doing.

01:09:58.582 --> 01:10:01.203
[SPEAKER_01]: They probably don't have their draft board locked in.

01:10:01.223 --> 01:10:09.587
[SPEAKER_01]: This is around the time that teams start making those really hard calls with their directors and their cross-checkers and their avancer's got some really

01:10:12.868 --> 01:10:26.878
[SPEAKER_01]: The giant spake probably have to put it together board of like five or six pliers for the number one for their for their first round pick fourth overall they've at least got of rankings because you got a different players may have different bonus demands and might not want to go to your team.

01:10:26.898 --> 01:10:40.007
[SPEAKER_01]: So you'd probably have to at least get like a consideration set of five or six that consideration set right now might be as many as 50 or 20s though like they have they just will not have drilled down that far most likely.

01:10:42.385 --> 01:11:01.953
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, you're just kind of people kind of have an expectation that Florida and Walmart are going to go around the middle of the top 10 and they fit with things that the giants have drafted relatively recently or traits that teams think that teams like the giants would be into.

01:11:02.373 --> 01:11:04.574
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of what you're going to see.

01:11:05.114 --> 01:11:14.899
[SPEAKER_01]: the more kind of dope heavy mocks where you get strong connections to teams or like kind of in MLB mock dress like the last 48 to 72 hours for the most part.

01:11:16.059 --> 01:11:24.403
[SPEAKER_01]: So I like there other than the philosophy rumor there hasn't been like a super consistent the giants really love this player.

01:11:24.443 --> 01:11:26.124
[SPEAKER_01]: This is who they want to get here.

01:11:27.144 --> 01:11:31.750
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I would think Florida would be a perfectly good pick at that selection.

01:11:31.810 --> 01:11:35.274
[SPEAKER_01]: He's also the type of pitcher who might help you as soon as $2,027.

01:11:35.894 --> 01:11:36.175
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:11:36.715 --> 01:11:47.027
[SPEAKER_01]: Juan Bard said, it's said, Juan Bard made an exceptionally low amount of contact in best on best high school showcase performance.

01:11:47.948 --> 01:11:58.022
[SPEAKER_01]: and the track record of first-round picks who have made an exceptionally low amount of contact in best-long best showcase performance is absolutely horrible.

01:11:58.042 --> 01:11:59.625
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it just is.

01:12:00.007 --> 01:12:02.168
[SPEAKER_00]: and how much do they look into the idea?

01:12:02.949 --> 01:12:18.538
[SPEAKER_00]: We mentioned Gonzales and level and they drafted Kielan Kylen last year as he's probably going to be a second baseman rather than a short set, but they they are packed at at middle and field for for the lower level of the minor leagues right now.

01:12:19.039 --> 01:12:23.982
[SPEAKER_00]: Does that do they take any consideration of that or they just draft for whomever they think is the best player?

01:12:25.528 --> 01:12:35.374
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even, it's more the latter, but it's also, so how the team, most teams are going to evaluate this by putting a monetary value on the player.

01:12:35.835 --> 01:12:46.862
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're going to say, Jacob Blombard is for us, it worth $9 million in bonus pull money, and they'll get the best player that they can get the best deal on.

01:12:48.082 --> 01:12:57.967
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you are staying within the confines of the bonuses, the monotic seeding, the 105% number where you start to get draft pick penalties.

01:12:58.007 --> 01:13:01.930
[SPEAKER_01]: If you are treating it like a zero-sum game, it becomes a zero-sum game.

01:13:02.030 --> 01:13:15.817
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you have two players ranked very similarly, and one of them is going to take 6 million and one of them is going to take 8 million, back 2 million is going to be very valuable to you in later rounds, you will get better players with later picks.

01:13:16.581 --> 01:13:25.044
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of kind of how they got Harrison where they got him absolutely yes, and you know I'm sure the rules now are way different.

01:13:25.084 --> 01:13:37.308
[SPEAKER_00]: But there was a reason why the giants were able to draft Buster Posey because he was like unwilling to take whatever the offer was for I was at the raise who had the first pick that year or something.

01:13:37.793 --> 01:13:40.735
[SPEAKER_01]: At the time, it was completely uncapped.

01:13:40.755 --> 01:13:43.397
[SPEAKER_01]: You could play pay players whatever you wanted.

01:13:43.697 --> 01:13:45.779
[SPEAKER_01]: And there were just teams that were cheap.

01:13:45.819 --> 01:13:57.607
[SPEAKER_01]: There were teams that adhered to what at the time was called the slot recommendations, which majorly baseball labor relations would put out these numbers and say, this is what you should be paying for this pick.

01:13:57.667 --> 01:14:05.073
[SPEAKER_01]: And some teams paid that number and some teams went wildly over that number and the giants were one of those teams that were pretty,

01:14:05.813 --> 01:14:16.679
[SPEAKER_01]: We're at times willing to wildly exceed that number, um, you're also at that time able to, I don't recall if Posi got a major league contract out of the draft, but I think he might have.

01:14:16.739 --> 01:14:24.843
[SPEAKER_01]: That was another way you were able to do that was by offering a player a major league salary and immediately going on the 40-man roster.

01:14:25.663 --> 01:14:30.967
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that was a lot of years ago now and I don't remember the particular circumstance of his signing.

01:14:30.987 --> 01:14:39.753
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but a lot of players of that caliber, because Ponzi was, Ponzi was like one of the better household, college draft prospects in the generation, even though he could go number one.

01:14:39.813 --> 01:14:41.354
[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, we saw we saw him.

01:14:41.374 --> 01:14:45.496
[SPEAKER_00]: He played in San Jose during their playoff run.

01:14:46.777 --> 01:15:06.185
[SPEAKER_01]: and he was all he was already like the best player like just for that short time like it was very it was very visible that that that that that he was the good yeah Google just completely sucks now so he came and find stuff about what contract buster posing signed out of the game like five minutes I get all that out but um yeah it's like

01:15:07.768 --> 01:15:08.728
[SPEAKER_00]: Where's your cloud app?

01:15:08.748 --> 01:15:10.129
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have a cloud app.

01:15:10.269 --> 01:15:12.490
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I did a little more contrast stuff.

01:15:12.510 --> 01:15:14.210
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's in my phone.

01:15:14.930 --> 01:15:26.074
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, uh, I've got, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, that's a, you sort of that type of stuff within the baseball research community is because it's really controversial with the last year as I can imagine.

01:15:26.394 --> 01:15:30.719
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we, we, we both have tech adjacent day jobs.

01:15:30.819 --> 01:15:35.404
[SPEAKER_01]: So just like everywhere else in the world, it's become pretty controversial.

01:15:35.504 --> 01:15:37.146
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm dealing with this stuff all the time.

01:15:37.887 --> 01:15:38.387
[SPEAKER_01]: I deal with it.

01:15:38.407 --> 01:15:39.048
[SPEAKER_01]: My real job.

01:15:39.088 --> 01:15:39.548
[SPEAKER_01]: I deal with it.

01:15:39.568 --> 01:15:40.329
[SPEAKER_01]: My days well done.

01:15:40.529 --> 01:15:46.256
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, anyway, um, with it not to jump on a tech guy side there, but um,

01:15:47.327 --> 01:16:08.335
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, so it's like heart, unless you're just like blowing the cap like I suggested they might do for rock, you're kind of operating within the system where, you know, you're going to consider bonus ask, but for the most part, they're probably not going to care what position everybody's at and that's for two reasons.

01:16:09.295 --> 01:16:13.999
[SPEAKER_01]: One, the bus rate on prospects is too high even only prospects.

01:16:14.440 --> 01:16:19.144
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, top 100 prospects half of the time fail even become regular major suppliers.

01:16:19.204 --> 01:16:21.306
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just, that's the nature of the beast.

01:16:21.326 --> 01:16:26.130
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not, this is not a situation where they have like three of the Dodgers.

01:16:26.710 --> 01:16:28.972
[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers are going to have like,

01:16:29.092 --> 01:16:33.257
[SPEAKER_01]: three of the top 10 prospects and baseball all is outfielders.

01:16:33.857 --> 01:16:34.698
[SPEAKER_01]: That might be it.

01:16:35.439 --> 01:16:37.361
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's getting worse by the way.

01:16:37.401 --> 01:16:40.745
[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers probably still have the best farm system in baseball.

01:16:40.805 --> 01:16:43.989
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just it keeps happening over and over and over and over and over.

01:16:44.029 --> 01:16:46.271
[SPEAKER_00]: The worst, where's Tibbs going to be on their list?

01:16:47.212 --> 01:16:49.372
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not one of those three guys I was talking to.

01:16:49.393 --> 01:16:56.094
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I know is he, where is he would be like the guy that the Giants fans would be just like all over right now.

01:16:56.694 --> 01:16:58.615
[SPEAKER_01]: He made the midseason 50.

01:16:58.675 --> 01:17:02.455
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, he's like on the cost, he's either going to be just on or on just off.

01:17:02.515 --> 01:17:02.835
[SPEAKER_01]: I think.

01:17:03.256 --> 01:17:09.657
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're talking about DePolla, DePolla, Sorada and Hope.

01:17:10.388 --> 01:17:22.131
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, they also have another one can taro who might be better than tibbs and might still be one of the top 50 prospects of this, but it's like it's like actually second angle.

01:17:22.331 --> 01:17:38.795
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there's a there's I think a pretty corgent argument that the Paul is the best prospect in baseball right now, like he's made a lot of the same adjustments that elders just made over the similar period of time, he just happened to be in AA, you know, making the majors.

01:17:40.495 --> 01:17:44.418
[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of like the same type of athletic physical for each.

01:17:44.598 --> 01:17:46.800
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's got to keep getting worse.

01:17:46.900 --> 01:17:48.201
[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to find out.

01:17:48.241 --> 01:17:49.162
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's good.

01:17:49.182 --> 01:17:50.803
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:17:51.003 --> 01:17:57.849
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's like a really extreme example where you might consider it the bothersome or never picking high enough to actually consider it.

01:17:57.889 --> 01:18:00.270
[SPEAKER_01]: They took a first pick last year or another.

01:18:00.330 --> 01:18:04.053
[SPEAKER_01]: A killer Charles Babylon, who's probably a 1,100 prospect, although not.

01:18:04.374 --> 01:18:07.796
[SPEAKER_01]: They will legitimately have six top 100 outfield prospects.

01:18:07.856 --> 01:18:08.397
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gross.

01:18:09.778 --> 01:18:25.927
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing I said before about the best, the teams that do things best usually do those things best in the player acquisition sphere, also applies with them, obviously both of their first two picks last year or stock way up since they.

01:18:26.767 --> 01:18:51.504
[SPEAKER_01]: uh... made the picks uh... obviously they did very great things with tips is prospects of as well after he was traded multiple times before he got to them they got him for rental bus and may for some reason i get that crazy trade that's what we're trading at the time it's made uh... it's become much weirder since uh... the red fox also a period of right been right about thus than a but it didn't happen until the next year was uh...

01:18:53.930 --> 01:19:06.735
[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, they're not gonna consider that first because the odds that all three of those top prospects plus whoever they draft are all in the majors and good together at the same time is like 10%.

01:19:07.435 --> 01:19:09.936
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other thing is you can just move guys around positions.

01:19:10.036 --> 01:19:11.877
[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's a short stop when they're 20 or 80.

01:19:11.897 --> 01:19:12.517
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.

01:19:12.537 --> 01:19:14.418
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not even level.

01:19:14.438 --> 01:19:15.759
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not actually a short stop.

01:19:15.779 --> 01:19:17.579
[SPEAKER_01]: You might not actually be a second basement.

01:19:17.619 --> 01:19:19.580
[SPEAKER_01]: Most of these guys are fast enough to play the out.

01:19:19.640 --> 01:19:21.401
[SPEAKER_01]: Feel like you can just move on.

01:19:21.781 --> 01:19:24.003
[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of, he's kind of tiny too at the same time.

01:19:24.023 --> 01:19:25.804
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a, he's really fun.

01:19:25.844 --> 01:19:26.484
[SPEAKER_01]: I really like him.

01:19:26.504 --> 01:19:46.037
[SPEAKER_00]: I've liked him since he's in the, yeah, so I'll just I mean, I missed him in San Jose because he came through San Jose and I just could knock it out there, but I want to do and yeah, that's the one thing, you know, in my giant's fandom that I wish I could do more is go, because San Jose is always good, they always have good teams in San Jose, you know, I did get to see like,

01:19:46.717 --> 01:19:53.368
[SPEAKER_00]: bednars for start, which, you know, what will be in our house that's not to court for.

01:19:53.408 --> 01:19:55.912
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is what our house career has not.

01:19:55.952 --> 01:19:58.676
[SPEAKER_00]: We still have hope that we're like, yeah, maybe one of these days.

01:19:58.697 --> 01:19:58.977
[SPEAKER_00]: He can.

01:19:59.743 --> 01:20:11.369
[SPEAKER_01]: the 7th or 8th inning picture, but, yeah, it's, you know, I would strong like, I, I wrote what ended up being a pretty controversial article earlier this year, where I said,

01:20:18.533 --> 01:20:19.734
[SPEAKER_01]: So think about this first.

01:20:19.754 --> 01:20:23.757
[SPEAKER_01]: And without going too far off on a side tangent, because we're already like 20 minutes over on time.

01:20:23.817 --> 01:20:24.057
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:20:24.537 --> 01:20:29.160
[SPEAKER_01]: I keep getting text from Jersey Power and Light that my power might go out.

01:20:29.280 --> 01:20:34.964
[SPEAKER_01]: But the think about you are a player evaluator.

01:20:35.024 --> 01:20:37.265
[SPEAKER_01]: One that works for a team or one that works for the public side.

01:20:37.666 --> 01:20:39.947
[SPEAKER_01]: You can go out to the baseball park.

01:20:39.987 --> 01:20:46.832
[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have to put six hours in driving, pre-game, post-game, everything.

01:20:48.231 --> 01:20:53.515
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're gonna get three at bats from a player, four at bats from a player, five at bats from a player.

01:20:54.056 --> 01:20:59.941
[SPEAKER_01]: They might get pitched around, they might just have a bad day, they might get the day off.

01:21:00.701 --> 01:21:04.685
[SPEAKER_01]: And you usually have to do that for a full week to get a meaningful enough sample size.

01:21:04.705 --> 01:21:13.832
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've actually invested 30 man hours to put together like a decent scatter report on Johnny level as you're trying to go see him

01:21:17.451 --> 01:21:31.896
[SPEAKER_01]: Alternatively, I can, in three hours, watch every bat, he's taken the season and paired up with very advanced data on like what the ball did in those at bats and what kind of pitches he was facing.

01:21:32.656 --> 01:21:37.037
[SPEAKER_01]: And in that 30 hours, I can do that for like 15 or 20 players.

01:21:38.778 --> 01:21:44.562
[SPEAKER_01]: how much better based on that time commitment with the live scouting will have to be?

01:21:44.742 --> 01:21:49.145
[SPEAKER_01]: And the answer is like 5,000% and in reality it's like 2% better.

01:21:50.426 --> 01:21:55.590
[SPEAKER_01]: So like if you're like making like an absolutely major trade where it's like

01:21:56.210 --> 01:22:14.722
[SPEAKER_01]: tens of millions or hundreds of millions of dollars in equity in the whole thing or even a major draft pick like a number four overall pick it probably still makes sense and there's potential reasons it's still makes sense showing phase is important at that point and talking to the players important those type of things.

01:22:15.742 --> 01:22:30.751
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but for the most part, my stance on minor league baseball now is you should just go watch it and have, have some beers and have fun and he's saying that it's a prospect right or so I strongly encourage everybody to go have fun watching minor league baseball.

01:22:31.151 --> 01:22:34.854
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've been going to San Jose giant games probably since it was like.

01:22:35.877 --> 01:22:48.910
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, maybe like a mid 80s, I think, and they, they were a few different organizations before they aligned with the giants.

01:22:48.970 --> 01:22:52.854
[SPEAKER_00]: They were, I think George Brett came through at some point.

01:22:54.116 --> 01:23:09.156
[SPEAKER_00]: as the when they were like the missions and then they were the San Jose bees and then they became a giant affiliate and they've been the giants affiliate single lay now it's the low a but back then it was just one a affiliate yeah probably since the mid 80s like I've seen.

01:23:09.857 --> 01:23:13.121
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I saw a kangaroo junior come through and stuff like that.

01:23:13.301 --> 01:23:15.743
[SPEAKER_01]: It was when they became the time.

01:23:15.843 --> 01:23:17.025
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's not like that.

01:23:17.065 --> 01:23:18.707
[SPEAKER_01]: That's for your memory in the area.

01:23:18.727 --> 01:23:27.656
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I saw a griffy come through and we got his autograph and then he barrel rolled our second baseman so then I scratched out his autograph and I threw it away.

01:23:30.299 --> 01:23:38.925
[SPEAKER_01]: of it was a dirty slide it was he's trying to break up a double play and instead of sliding he rolls into the second basements leg and you know today

01:23:49.933 --> 01:23:56.996
[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I think when didn't Matt holiday do that to Marco Scudero in the playoff's back in the day two Like yeah, I'm not a fan of the barrel.

01:23:57.216 --> 01:24:11.842
[SPEAKER_00]: I was a middle-infielder like that's like it's like bad for for so I didn't like it But I mean, yeah, I saw lots of guys come through and it's you know that it's always a fun time and I played on that field as I was growing up and stuff Just you know you get the chance to play and all start games and stuff.

01:24:11.862 --> 01:24:12.343
[SPEAKER_00]: You play there.

01:24:12.363 --> 01:24:17.185
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's it's it's pretty special for me Brad did did games there for

01:24:18.305 --> 01:24:46.475
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... sounds a state when he was the sounds a state broadcaster so yeah that place holds a social place in our hearts but all right i kept you way long um... that the this uh... this season uh... obviously's been just just a bit of failure from from that perspective but um... is there anything that you you think from from a trade deadline perspective or i mean you already said you know you

01:24:48.434 --> 01:24:53.818
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a possibility that they could, Vatela could do something and maybe not be on it.

01:24:53.858 --> 01:24:57.381
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if people are talking about that, I'm sure that's a possibility.

01:24:58.321 --> 01:25:14.113
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's gonna happen this year, just from the real timing perspective that was the same real timing perspective that he had when he came to the giant's last winter, which is that the college jobs usually are open around now.

01:25:14.373 --> 01:25:18.797
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, over the next couple of months, I don't think he's going to check out the job ever for months.

01:25:18.857 --> 01:25:22.920
[SPEAKER_00]: I just The day one spring training.

01:25:22.940 --> 01:25:23.741
[SPEAKER_00]: He's out there.

01:25:23.781 --> 01:25:28.124
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean to reporters because because they didn't let him tell his player.

01:25:28.184 --> 01:25:36.972
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's that's certainly did not Set things off on the right foot for not in Kansas anymore, brother

01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:42.366
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you sign, just always sign the three or contract, please not actually under contract forever.

01:25:42.426 --> 01:25:42.666
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:25:43.047 --> 01:25:43.167
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:25:43.287 --> 01:25:53.920
[SPEAKER_01]: We might be talking about the end of the 20, 20, seven season, maybe they work something out with them if it's not going to like firing an manager with one year or less on the contract, it's going to stand there.

01:25:54.202 --> 01:25:55.583
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they do that all the time.

01:25:55.643 --> 01:26:05.831
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think it's probably here at least through, I think you will at least start next season as a manager if things continue to just wildly spiral out of control.

01:26:05.871 --> 01:26:10.474
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you'll start having those conversations around this time next the year.

01:26:10.534 --> 01:26:12.856
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like just wildly premature to have it.

01:26:12.896 --> 01:26:16.598
[SPEAKER_00]: They should have the ownership should have written it in the contract Buster.

01:26:16.618 --> 01:26:20.821
[SPEAKER_00]: If you fire this dude before it's done, you're putting on the uniform.

01:26:20.902 --> 01:26:22.483
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're going out there and you're doing it.

01:26:22.963 --> 01:26:30.090
[SPEAKER_01]: Buster, Buster, that wouldn't be a less weird hire to hire Buster's manager than president of this father is.

01:26:30.411 --> 01:26:34.535
[SPEAKER_01]: But if I were culturally Buster himself only signed a three-year contract.

01:26:34.655 --> 01:26:35.055
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:26:35.096 --> 01:26:35.396
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:26:35.636 --> 01:26:39.981
[SPEAKER_01]: There was thought at the time that he might just be like a short term bridge to whatever they were going to do.

01:26:40.021 --> 01:26:40.301
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:26:40.321 --> 01:26:40.962
[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

01:26:40.982 --> 01:26:42.003
[SPEAKER_01]: The organization.

01:26:42.523 --> 01:26:43.564
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just,

01:26:45.087 --> 01:26:45.688
[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird.

01:26:45.988 --> 01:26:56.100
[SPEAKER_01]: I just like I don't I don't know what the direction of this team is other than it's they wanted it to it's like they just wanted it to not be like the far home.

01:26:56.260 --> 01:26:58.683
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they yeah, they oh, they way overcredute.

01:26:58.743 --> 01:26:59.724
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's end with this.

01:27:00.865 --> 01:27:01.846
[SPEAKER_00]: Buster is a player.

01:27:02.755 --> 01:27:23.520
[SPEAKER_00]: was very smart in how he marketed himself and how he, you know, he was always, he never did anything to show up in the newspaper in a box court, maybe the most critical thing that anyone said about him was he got the rule change that home plate because when he got his knee tore up.

01:27:31.605 --> 01:27:52.809
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think he is very smart and very premeditated and I can't imagine he allows his current standing in the giant organization and with the fans to be an utter failure, like he's got to have another, like I don't think he leaves the

01:27:53.978 --> 01:27:57.161
[SPEAKER_00]: by basically saying, guys, sorry, I'm just not good at this.

01:27:57.201 --> 01:27:58.863
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm going away.

01:27:59.143 --> 01:28:01.726
[SPEAKER_00]: He is a part of the ownership, but like I mentioned.

01:28:03.491 --> 01:28:22.357
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he's got to be here for the long run and he I could see him stepping away kind of like if you remember Larry bird when Larry bird was coaching the Pacers and then I think Larry bird even moved into the front office as well, but he did both jobs and he was like, look, I'm not going to do this forever.

01:28:22.377 --> 01:28:23.558
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to take my best shot.

01:28:23.578 --> 01:28:26.018
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to try to win a championship and if I can't do it.

01:28:26.659 --> 01:28:29.539
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to step away because this is not what I'm going to do for the rest of my life.

01:28:29.740 --> 01:28:30.420
[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine.

01:28:31.200 --> 01:28:37.362
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a similar sentiment for Buster, but I don't think he's bailing after a failure.

01:28:37.382 --> 01:28:40.083
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just not who he was as a player.

01:28:40.143 --> 01:28:53.087
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, think about he retires after that 2021 season, you know, where they were on the precipice of being one of the best, or they were record wise, the best team in the league.

01:28:53.187 --> 01:28:55.508
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he, I don't think he leaves after

01:28:56.588 --> 01:28:57.770
[SPEAKER_00]: this kind of season.

01:28:57.810 --> 01:29:02.815
[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine, I think what I think he's going into next year.

01:29:02.895 --> 01:29:12.285
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, but he, I also think he's got to feel like he's turned it around before he decides to go away or before he decides to just go back to being an owner.

01:29:12.810 --> 01:29:33.193
[SPEAKER_01]: Right, there's ways to do this where if he doesn't want to be running the day-to-day baseball operations, maybe it becomes chairman of the Board of Governors, or overall team president, but not overseeing baseball operations on a daily basis, or I've been some guys in this position that have done that Mark Shapiro, the baseball Mark Shapiro, not the

01:29:33.787 --> 01:29:34.648
[SPEAKER_00]: And not the T.K.

01:29:34.688 --> 01:29:35.388
[SPEAKER_00]: Hilux.

01:29:35.429 --> 01:29:58.006
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I did this with the Blue Jays, where he basically kicked himself upstairs into the full team president role, where he was no longer actively overseeing baseball operators, but kind of handed it off to Russ Appkins, and I could see that as a long-term possibility for Ponzi, but yeah, I do agree that I think he's going to...

01:29:59.065 --> 01:30:20.822
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at the least, there's going to be a desire for this to be put on the right track and if they can't get it on the right track in the next year or two, then what does this start to look like and that's when you start to have these really difficult conversations about, okay, this guy's in our ownership group and he's a franchise legend, but this also isn't working now what do we do and that's yeah.

01:30:21.282 --> 01:30:25.325
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's also going to be like right around his whole fame in Doctite.

01:30:25.365 --> 01:30:28.608
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it just gets so weird with that type of stuff.

01:30:28.628 --> 01:30:33.932
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be, what is going to be in the 2027 class, I think?

01:30:34.493 --> 01:30:36.414
[SPEAKER_00]: He and Bochi together, I think.

01:30:36.474 --> 01:30:36.915
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:30:37.415 --> 01:30:46.502
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, you're looking at, do I have this correct, uh, us, they're posi, whole thing.

01:30:46.662 --> 01:30:48.264
[SPEAKER_01]: You just can't Google anything.

01:30:50.428 --> 01:30:54.718
[SPEAKER_01]: So, he is eligible for the 2027 ballot, so he's going to be eligible this.

01:30:56.619 --> 01:31:21.600
[SPEAKER_01]: this year for 2020 said this this upcoming obviously isn't for 2020 so I'm we're absolutely nothing to talk about in that time period other than the Hall of Famers old stuff yeah um because it's gonna be talking a lot uh uh so anyway um he's obviously gonna get any it's gonna get him with like 94% of the full and people are gonna yell on twitter at the eight eight people who didn't vote for uh yeah we have to do that again

01:31:22.360 --> 01:31:30.814
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, it's going to be like, like, you almost can't fire him or move on from him in the year of his whole family.

01:31:30.854 --> 01:31:31.715
[SPEAKER_01]: Noxon, right?

01:31:31.755 --> 01:31:32.296
[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can't.

01:31:32.476 --> 01:31:35.301
[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be half of the marketing for the team.

01:31:35.401 --> 01:31:35.882
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:31:36.835 --> 01:32:03.559
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I just I don't it's this is basically the argument to not have done this because if it again, it's like any if this if it worked great nobody's going to make a thing out of it is like the I'm still in a line from Ben one bird and Sam Miller, they wrote about the synoma stompers when they took it over like 10 years ago and they wrote a book and the title of book was the only rule is it has to work.

01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:05.640
[SPEAKER_01]: like this had to work.

01:32:05.740 --> 01:32:09.481
[SPEAKER_01]: If it doesn't work, it's just a complete PR catastrophe.

01:32:09.642 --> 01:32:18.546
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a gentle meltdown for the owners of Peru, like this is you can't put a guy like this in this job and not have it worked.

01:32:18.646 --> 01:32:21.147
[SPEAKER_01]: It just then becomes a disaster if it doesn't.

01:32:21.247 --> 01:32:27.530
[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope for all your sayings that they like toppled together in 871, second wild card team.

01:32:27.550 --> 01:32:29.431
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like everybody could

01:32:33.048 --> 01:32:41.096
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to be competitive at this point, like, just... Yeah, I mean, though probably have a competitive season within the next two or three seasons.

01:32:41.136 --> 01:32:45.560
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that's the nature of how baseball exists in the current climate.

01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:51.445
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, I mean, we could get more playoff expansion in the CBA, we're not.

01:32:51.465 --> 01:32:52.987
[SPEAKER_00]: What's on the docket for you upcoming?

01:32:53.749 --> 01:32:57.150
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, we've got another draft board coming out.

01:32:57.770 --> 01:33:00.191
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been writing weekly this year at BP.

01:33:00.211 --> 01:33:02.211
[SPEAKER_01]: I've had problems coming out of every Thursday.

01:33:02.231 --> 01:33:05.392
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I'm right about the proposed draft rule changes this week.

01:33:05.452 --> 01:33:07.533
[SPEAKER_01]: Just because I'm supposed to.

01:33:07.733 --> 01:33:11.834
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I just write about whatever I feel like.

01:33:11.894 --> 01:33:16.635
[SPEAKER_01]: Given we at which can wildly vary, I might have a lot of editorial freedom to do this.

01:33:16.695 --> 01:33:17.736
[SPEAKER_01]: Right about whatever you want.

01:33:17.776 --> 01:33:18.536
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

01:33:18.636 --> 01:33:19.297
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just fun.

01:33:20.238 --> 01:33:22.639
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even remember what I wrote about last.

01:33:22.719 --> 01:33:26.882
[SPEAKER_01]: I've just pulled my Google Docs and to remember what I've written about recently.

01:33:26.942 --> 01:33:28.784
[SPEAKER_01]: My brain is completely pride.

01:33:28.824 --> 01:33:31.746
[SPEAKER_01]: I apologize if I've made absolutely no sense at all.

01:33:31.766 --> 01:33:36.730
[SPEAKER_01]: I wrote about the kid that got called up from high A for Curtis Washington.

01:33:36.750 --> 01:33:37.710
[SPEAKER_01]: The Mariners kid.

01:33:37.770 --> 01:33:38.711
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the one I wrote.

01:33:40.132 --> 01:33:44.173
[SPEAKER_01]: They could not, they had one of the coolest stories in baseball recently.

01:33:44.233 --> 01:33:55.618
[SPEAKER_01]: They had like four guys get injured in one day and they're double-eyed and triple-t-a-teams were both in a spot where they could not get a player to the bed bar.

01:33:56.638 --> 01:34:00.579
[SPEAKER_01]: They called up a random non-prospect from their high-a team.

01:34:01.040 --> 01:34:07.682
[SPEAKER_01]: They called up their 26-year-old A-ball fourth-out-fielder for one day just because they needed somebody on the bench.

01:34:07.762 --> 01:34:10.503
[SPEAKER_01]: A guy absolutely never would have gotten called up.

01:34:11.003 --> 01:34:12.583
[SPEAKER_01]: So I wrote about that because it was fun.

01:34:12.663 --> 01:34:17.445
[SPEAKER_01]: I've written about the print about the mid-season 50, or something like that.

01:34:17.465 --> 01:34:19.765
[SPEAKER_00]: How does that happen for his pay?

01:34:19.885 --> 01:34:21.106
[SPEAKER_00]: Like for that game?

01:34:21.666 --> 01:34:26.629
[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably, yeah, so he gets quite it quite a bit of it.

01:34:26.669 --> 01:34:34.793
[SPEAKER_01]: Not only, there's a lot of attendant benefits to being a former Major League ball player, even if it's only one day of service time.

01:34:34.813 --> 01:34:39.196
[SPEAKER_01]: You are eligible for the Major League Baseball Health Plan for the rest of your life.

01:34:39.356 --> 01:34:40.717
[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.

01:34:40.957 --> 01:34:42.418
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of pay.

01:34:42.498 --> 01:34:46.120
[SPEAKER_01]: He's now on the minor league split of a 40-man contract.

01:34:46.160 --> 01:34:48.641
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's base pay even when he went to the minors and got out.

01:34:48.721 --> 01:34:51.584
[SPEAKER_01]: rated probably rose a bunch.

01:34:52.044 --> 01:34:59.170
[SPEAKER_01]: As a former major league player gets like, you know, gets complimentary and mission into parks and all this type of stuff.

01:34:59.250 --> 01:35:04.975
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so there are some cool attendance side effects to that type of stuff.

01:35:04.995 --> 01:35:06.397
[SPEAKER_01]: You might get rookie cards now.

01:35:06.437 --> 01:35:12.762
[SPEAKER_01]: He's eligible for all the profit sharing with all the revenue, all the players, the association revenues

01:35:13.763 --> 01:35:15.705
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, great for him.

01:35:15.725 --> 01:35:17.386
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's it.

01:35:17.547 --> 01:35:27.676
[SPEAKER_01]: I spun that off into some different areas because he's the type of player that's going to squeeze that affiliated ball by the contraction in my early affiliates and the roster all the patients that have been put in place.

01:35:27.996 --> 01:35:34.643
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you know that you know it's so great about that too is just the grind of what it took for him to even.

01:35:35.443 --> 01:35:57.540
[SPEAKER_00]: Stay in baseball at at that age and at that level like not really progressing because there's a kid who my youngest played baseball with who was drafted by the Giants actually drafted by Farhan His name is Andrew Cachel and you know, he was kind of moving through I think he got all the way up to Eugene maybe and then he got hurt

01:35:58.505 --> 01:36:07.283
[SPEAKER_00]: And then that was kind of it like I was like oh wow like it just happened so fast and you know I know him a little bit and

01:36:08.297 --> 01:36:14.799
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's, yeah, I'm sure it, you know, he has to deal with like that what if because he got, you know, really close.

01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:19.560
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, but to see him, you know, stick with it to get that opportunity.

01:36:19.600 --> 01:36:20.340
[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.

01:36:20.720 --> 01:36:29.202
[SPEAKER_01]: I have a friend, I, I don't know if you once been talking about him on the cell bed or friend that edited AAA looked like he was on the press.

01:36:29.242 --> 01:36:34.983
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the major's blows elbow out and never really got another affiliated ball opportunity after that.

01:36:35.023 --> 01:36:37.764
[SPEAKER_01]: Like it is just that thing that happens.

01:36:39.205 --> 01:36:46.253
[SPEAKER_01]: And you also, like, you have to infer that, okay, the Mariners have a very limited number of roster spots.

01:36:46.754 --> 01:36:52.981
[SPEAKER_01]: They are using one on a guy that's going to have absolutely no chance to provide any realistic major league value.

01:36:53.041 --> 01:36:58.087
[SPEAKER_01]: Because a guy that's high aim for a townfielder 26 years old is just...

01:36:58.407 --> 01:37:07.051
[SPEAKER_01]: not going to ever be a first emission major employer, and basically everybody that's on their contract now has a chance to be a first emission major employer.

01:37:07.571 --> 01:37:15.814
[SPEAKER_01]: So they must think that's guy is adding intangible, incredible amounts of value in the clubhouse, or as functional additional codes on the field.

01:37:16.875 --> 01:37:24.198
[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't be surprised if he needs to back to the majors in that type of role, eventually, because that tends to be the developmental path for coaches is

01:37:25.078 --> 01:37:28.900
[SPEAKER_00]: Or are you just become Wade Meckler in New York?

01:37:29.020 --> 01:37:40.005
[SPEAKER_01]: That's sure, Wade Meckler was pretty high on the All-Star balloting, if I recall correctly, because while the Angels fans voting for Mike Trout were just filling out the ballot for all the angels.

01:37:40.065 --> 01:37:45.567
[SPEAKER_01]: And this way, only having like 35 at bats, here's on our default All-Star ball, it would's.

01:37:45.907 --> 01:37:50.790
[SPEAKER_01]: We hang a markedly vote getter in the All-Star game this year, so far as early Clement.

01:37:52.881 --> 01:38:05.606
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad and I have a joke that Ernie Clement, if you look at his photo, he looks like somebody who says cheese when he smiles.

01:38:06.927 --> 01:38:09.168
[SPEAKER_00]: That's our name for Ernie Clement.

01:38:09.488 --> 01:38:13.169
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you obviously stayed much longer than we had discussed.

01:38:13.189 --> 01:38:15.190
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that just always happens when we record.

01:38:15.590 --> 01:38:17.551
[SPEAKER_00]: So you were probably very prepared for that.

01:38:17.631 --> 01:38:19.312
[SPEAKER_00]: But I appreciate you coming on and

01:38:19.852 --> 01:38:22.713
[SPEAKER_00]: Check Jared out on a baseball perspective.

01:38:22.973 --> 01:38:34.135
[SPEAKER_00]: He's writing more often these days and the drafts coming up So you'll be you'll be busy and then if you are actually covering the All-Star game Maybe you'll maybe it'll be on Netflix.

01:38:34.155 --> 01:38:35.276
[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be at the home.

01:38:35.376 --> 01:38:41.217
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be I'll be I'll be up in the third level I'm the concealer in press box.

01:38:41.257 --> 01:38:41.697
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see.

01:38:41.997 --> 01:38:46.658
[SPEAKER_01]: I do love the I love the home run derby live I've been to it a couple of times.

01:38:46.718 --> 01:38:49.519
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in the morning quarters in 2020 on so I am looking

01:38:50.200 --> 01:38:52.542
[SPEAKER_01]: assuming I get a credential.

01:38:52.642 --> 01:38:54.484
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm very much waiting for the covering.

01:38:55.125 --> 01:38:55.525
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:38:55.585 --> 01:38:57.107
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks to Jared for hanging out.

01:38:57.708 --> 01:38:59.430
[SPEAKER_00]: For Jared, I am WG.

01:38:59.590 --> 01:39:02.293
[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you peace out.