Matt Chapman Slump, SF Giants Bullpen Issues & Dodgers Series Split | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brad, the giants are coming off of a four and three week beating the Dodgers two games losing to the Dodgers two games They cannot just

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[SPEAKER_00]: not keep their foot on the damn pedal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, no sweeps, no sweeps, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, we want to see a sweep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we sweep a team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'd be great to see one of these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they lost to the A's to open the series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they had a lot of dent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that means three losses in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they turn around and beat the A's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two games in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So four and three week, a winning week,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it kind of gets them closer to 500 in the month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's 7 in 9 or something in the month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be a nice, a nice little goal, a month in which you have a winning month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could be a small thing that they could kind of look forward to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the other thing that I looked at my favorite, I know this doesn't explain everything, but the run scored versus runs against.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants are no longer the worst team in baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're actually like maybe 5-6 worse now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some really bad teams who I, you know, I always make this kind of every time they play bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, we're the worst team in baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are not for a while, we were though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can actually see it this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but the Baltimore Orioles, you know, are actually have a worse runs, minus in the runs, different column.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, they're 21 and 26.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we faced them and I thought, like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we're pretty even with these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the giants are one game worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in the overall record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the Rockies are worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Orioles are worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Angels are the worst team in all of baseball and in run differential.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Astros are worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So giant's picked up a little bit of a little bit of momentum there in that category.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Atlanta Braves and the Dodgers are the two best, they have the two best run differential.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Dodgers are sort of like anticipated, but the Braves, the Braves lead all of baseball with the plus 98.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They also lead all of baseball with a 32 and 15 record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those Tampa Bay Rays are 30 and 15 and then the Dodgers 29 and 18.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some interesting so far through, you know, 45-ish games or 50-ish games wherever we are in the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: some pretty interesting standings you know those Toronto blue jays uh they're not the giants and the blue jays from a record perspective aren't that different but I still feel like the blue jays have a much better team but then you have a team like the guardians who I feel like we're pretty comparable to them yet they're 26 and 22.

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[SPEAKER_00]: other teams like the A's, the A's who we just beat there in first place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one in the garden in the street.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The guardians are four games over 500 since trading for Patrick Bailey when they traded for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that was 500 clubs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was the deal right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually trying to look up his stats right now because I'm just kind of curious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Since it is a Giants podcast, we're allowed to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're allowed to look up other teams' stats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see Patrick Bailey is one for 11 as a Cleveland Guardian with a double.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many strikeouts?

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[SPEAKER_01]: One RBI.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One Wall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many strikeouts do you think in 11 at bats?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, good for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, bad on the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a line drive that he was robbed up the middle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had the game on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had, you know, we like, you and I like to watch the MLB big inning because we both have MLB dot TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I had that on and they were shown a Patrick Bailey up back because he had runners on second and third and he had a line drive up the middle of the short stop of the opposing team snagged.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that would have driven in two runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I mean, you know, good for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Starting to hit the ball and stay away from strikeouts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got to shout out the NL Central, all five teams in the central over 500.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's unusual because the central is usually the league where they're fighting at 500, just to kind of, you know, battle each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you said NL Central, I'm, I'm my bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking, A, all central.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, aile central is kind of what you think the aile central is though the white socks are two games over 500 good for the white socks That's pretty amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that anile central is kind of crazy because everybody thought that the cardinals this year We're gonna be such a horrible team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They sold.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean this old everybody and there are 27 and 19.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to I would kill to be 27 and 19 right now, so

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[SPEAKER_00]: the giants have some work to do to get there, but, you know, winning the week is a good start, like they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of thinking about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you think that they've had good success against the Dodgers so far this year when historically, like at least recent history, says that, you know, the Dodgers can kind of have their way with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the giants, and I'm not trying to take any way, anything away from the giants, but they are not a great team this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they've just the two times they've caught the Dodgers as a little bit of lightning in a bottle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the two games against the Dodgers, the two final games against the Dodgers and this four game series that we saw that the giants lost both of those games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's kind of closer to what the Giants Dodgers are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the first two games, I mean the Giants, you know, slug the ball in the first two games, and they scored nine in the first game, and I think what's six in the second game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not who they are necessarily, and in the first series, if it wasn't for

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ryan Walker weirdness, the giants, you know, he got the two sails and the two victories in that series and they took two out of three just a couple weeks back without that, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I think it's a little bit more lightning in the bottle against the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get up for those games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's your rivals, Tony Vitello's first giant Dodgers rivalry, hopefully of many to come.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know people are already calm for him to get fired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, don't think that was not the guy hitting the ball right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, it's matter of fact not too many guys are hitting the ball, although the giants are on a roll offensively over the last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe this is who they are because we see them drawing more walks too, which is really important for this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just think, and again, I don't want to piss anybody off or take anything away from the giants, but I think they just kind of caught those two series right at the right time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers were struggling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then the Dodgers win those two games, then they go into Anaheim and sweep the angels and take them down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, take all three games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they might have just lit a fire under the dodgers, which is a little bit dangerous to take those first two games against the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, we do not want to lose this series to our rival at home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they turned it on a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're starting to get healthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Moody bet still isn't hitting the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and and they're still not crushing the ball like the Dodgers do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Otani was in a

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I think it was just kind of perfect time and almost for the giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just find it, I find it interesting that historically in this rivalry, there are always guys who you don't really hear about except for they did X, Y, and Z against the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you got the third string catcher hitting bombs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: off of guys like Yamamoto, and you're just like, where's this guy coming from?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then he's, you know, he's getting reps and left field and they have this funky funky roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So funky that Bryce Eldridge cannot even find the field, which seems to me like a terrible plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet, you know, we, I can't really complain that much because you went into LA in split, even though I wanted them to take that, you know, one of those next two games at the very least, and they couldn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go into the, you know, the Triple A ballpark in Sacramento,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the that series was kind of a joke because of the wind and just because of that field and it didn't like you you look at how they're playing in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It either looks like spring training or just looks like minor leagues in your like this doesn't feel right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't look right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you can go and take advantage of it, so be it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were able to hit some wind-aided home runs, including a grand slam by Harrison Bader.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A rise got one to go out as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess who was saying, how's her was saying that it felt like he's gonna get knocked off the mound when he was in his windup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you know, and I saw all day long from people who lived in Sacramento just posting on Instagram and stuff Good, like oh my gosh, it's so windy out here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's insane So it's just whatever whatever was last week I think they played pretty good baseball I can't say they played excellent baseball because if they played excellent baseball They would have won five or six of those games, but they played good enough to take four out of the seven

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can try and build upon that as we are talking right now there about to begin a series with the diamond backs in Arizona.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have three this week in Arizona Wednesdays a afternoon game and then they come back for the series against the white socks Japanese heritage night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Whitesucks have a, have a big bopper who is of Japanese heritage who is kind of tear it up right now too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be fun to see him come into San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that one pisses me off mainly because I drafted him in my fantasy league as like one of my last picks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And before the season started, I needed another reliever, so I dropped him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Before the season even started, so all of those home runs have gone to somebody else in my fantasy league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Murakami is like the American League Kyle Schwabber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, no real batting average whatsoever, just hits home runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I'm not super sad about it because my third baseman this season since he started getting hot has been Casey Schmidt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm very happy with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this, this is not an R league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a differently done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in a head to head points league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've had Casey Schmidt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on my team and I'm very happy about that because Casey Schmidt seems to be one of the only giants for a while there that was hitting the ball and hitting the ball hard and I think it's going to be a little inconsistent all season long but I think he's he's definitely in for a progressive season where he's going to get better and better

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[SPEAKER_01]: her as the season goes on and I'm very excited for, I really like 20, 26 KC Schmidt, but I'm very excited for 20, 27 KC Schmidt, especially if he's going to be our regular everyday second baseman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually, well, we can talk about this now because you're talking about KC Schmidt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When do we have to talk about Matt Chapman and whether or not he's playing too much?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the last two games, he has hit the ball hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it seems like the older guys this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on every team, Otani, Betts, Chapman, it seems like these guys are taking a little bit longer to get started and I'm not sure why that is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have faith that Chapman's going to finish the season, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 230 hitter probably with 25 home runs he's going to go on to tear at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the slow start is rough, but again, the defense can't you can't necessarily take him out because of the defense, but you don't get a big defense or drop off like a huge defense or drop off drop off like we went in the past because you can put Casey Schmidt at third and Casey Schmidt is a natural third basement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't know if he's playing too much because I think Chapman's a type of guy where you need to play him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to have him in there so he can get the back going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what if the bat doesn't come because he is I think he's like the worst hitter in May of regular everyday players or there's some weird stat out there about him and so we we were having this conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Chapman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a Domace and it's devours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are the guys that they pay to hit the baseball long and far, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, they had a bad start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, a Domace and devours, a devours has been hitting the ball pretty well of late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A Domace has been picking it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Chapman is absolutely still terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Casey Schmidt and Matt Chapman are defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Matt Chapman's obviously better, but I don't know if the delta between their defense is as wide right now as the delta between their offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you can get Bryce Eldridge and the lineup a little bit more, in Chapman has to sit once every three or four games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'd be comfortable with that right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we worried that Chapman isn't?

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[SPEAKER_00]: a guy that you're going to send up to the plate six hundred times a year at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're not going to send them up that many times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I concerned about it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not necessarily because I think this team is going to look different in the next couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I keep saying, I mean, we're seven games under 500 right now, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I keep saying the end of May beginning of June the first week of June.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We may not see a rise on the Giants anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the guy was, I was a massive part of the offense against the ace this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, if the rest of the team is not performing and at the end of May beginning of June, you're still seven, eight, nine games under 500, that is a hill to climb at that point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you have a healthier rise,

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[SPEAKER_01]: at that point in the season who looks like a gold glove or still, um, and right now he's hitting 328.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you put all of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a package.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a team who's fighting to get into the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the white socks might look at that and go, hey, we could use a guy like a rat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because we're only, we're not too far off the Cleveland Guardians.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we've done this youth movement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's time to build, let's go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll trade away some prospects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that we have so many, and we'll kind of move our way up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think if that happens, you're going to see Schmidt at second base, then you're not going to see a need to try to work Schmidt over to third base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you are going to see more a bads for Chapman because again, the problem is Chapman is signs through 20th, 30.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it sounds so far off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the year I retire for one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At that sound crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see that number and I go,

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[SPEAKER_01]: four more seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a lot of seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think you can put them on the bench because I think you need his bat and they're to start showcasing him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If there's any chance at all that you're going to move him at any point, I know he's making 25 million a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if there's any point you're going to move him, you need to showcase him, you can't move him by having him on the bench and not hitting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's in the lineup but not hitting eventually he's going to catch on and then you're going to catch a hot streak and at that point you can move him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe again, even if they want to or it comes down to it, but he's going to be a veteran presence on this team this year next year, the year after he's probably a big clubhouse guy I know he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if everybody else starts hitting, if Devers, a Dom is, Romus is hurt now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if everybody else starts hitting, and we're scoring six, seven, eight, nine runs a game, you can hide them and be like, well, you're a great defense of third basements.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not too worried about your four at bats again, because we're scoring runs with everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a kind of a tricky situation with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How did they just get so left-handed right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it, I don't know, it's like an overcorrection from the beginning to see the right, so right handed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden, they decide, hey, let's, let's switch things up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, now we're so left handed heavy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's nice to have Bryce Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, he's too young to be a bench guy and come off the bench in the eighth inning and try to pinch it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do do you feel the way I feel that like the last couple of weeks was kind of a wasted opportunity for him to continue to get more at bats and AAA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely a hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's totally because I did say a week ago and it's tough because I did say we could go that if they sent him back down, it would be a disaster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, I think that we're heading that way, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine they're going to keep them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't keep them up here and just say, hey, you're a bench bat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know you're 20 years old, but you're a bench bat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's useless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to be playing every day, and he needs to be hitting against left-handed pitching and all those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I get what you're saying about Chapman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just, I think it's,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit of a bad message, though, when one guy is clearly outplaying him and they don't even give him an opportunity to play the fact, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause Casey Schmidt,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you don't believe that this is who Casey Schmitt is, even if you think that this is a little bit of a fluke, the fact that he is the one consistent bat in the lineup, and you could say arise, but Schmitt is definitely maybe the one consistent power bat in the lineup all season long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's kind of the unsung hero for a bad team in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we know that third base is his best position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's being moved around, he's a utility guy, he's probably, he probably is picking up some value there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I imagine there are two, you know, of course, Elder just gonna get all the phone calls they're like, are you giving up on this guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine, because Schmidt is playing multiple positions, that his value is also up on the trademark, get plus he's cheap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's almost like the giants are like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, he is being so helpful, but it's almost to mitigate, it's almost to to cover how bad Chapman is and because Casey Schmidt is able to do all these things or able to cover how bad Chapman is right now, I would just just to give Casey Schmidt like the proper,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to give him his proppers to say, Hey, yeah, let's get to kid it start at third base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's give Chapman a break.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let him play there and, you know, let him feel at home for once this season and then, you know, you bring Chapman back and then you can move Casey around again, but it is so limiting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, to sit to, it's not like Matt Chapman is a career 270 hitter, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a career 230 hitter?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just hits home runs, you know, 25 home runs a season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the other thing, which is I would just love for, you know, the giants to figure out ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if that part of that is sitting Matt Chapman once every five games to get Eldridge in there,

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[SPEAKER_00]: do it or send elders back to AAA because they have will Brennan and Drew Gilbert now who also are not playing every day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brennan can sit there and take up those left handed pinched at bats that I think maybe they want Eldridge to kind of have right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just doesn't make any sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all that being said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chapman really needs to pick it up because I'm not sure how much longer you can allow him to be this bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe like he said, last couple of games, he hit OK, it is in the band box of a AAA ballpark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see him do it for real.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm at the point where I'm like, OK, like I get it, he's great defensively, but Casey can hold his own and he's hitting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think and and and Chapman seems to be a weather guy, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes down to San Diego and he hits bombs, you know, and it's, it's still late or mid to late May, there's still time, the weather heats up, the ball travels more, you know, tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is Monday night we're recording this Casey Schmidt is playing left field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, you know, they're, they, they, you gotta keep his bat in the lineup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and I think, Vitalo also, I think Vitalo needs to lean on the veterans and show trust in the veterans too, because that's, that's really what most major league managers do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, woo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bochi was notorious for that early on in his stints with the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was notorious for really, really leaning on those veterans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the young guy started coming up and then Brandon Belt makes the team and Crawford makes the team and Posey gets pulled up, you know, month or so into this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think if I tell a really needs to lean on the veterans and show like, hey, yeah, I'm a new guy, yeah, I've never managed anywhere in professional baseball before in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I know who the veterans are, and I know who everybody looks at and leans on, and I think you probably see a struggling Chapman and the rest of the guys are like, let's pick up Chappy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's play harder because he's struggling right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not be a black hole in the lineup in the batting order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's do what we can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's kind of, it's a vote of confidence as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you kind of have to look at it that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this team is seven games under five hundred.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they were

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[SPEAKER_01]: five games, six games under 500 and losing games they shouldn't lose because Chapman's coming up with a basis loaded and striking out I think my things might be a little bit different, but I just think a lot of guys just aren't doing it right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know if we could look at Chapman and say, well, if we take him out of the line up or fixed, you could do that with Bailey because Bailey is not going to hit 20 to 25 home on the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chapman can and I think that that was the major

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would like to look at it that way, but they are so close in some of these games to winning a few and possibly being closer to 500, you mentioned the Ryan Walker situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just been outright bad and thankfully he's not on the team right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And all of a sudden, Eric Miller cannot find the strikes on, then you bring in Caleb Killian and Roker just takes him deep in a six one games all of a sudden, six four and it's just like, what what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know what what did they what did we come into the season saying this bullpen is not serious they they they are not that the way that you can tell buster posi does not think they can win at least in the beginning is by putting out the bullpen that they put out that was kind of a tell if we look back like no right team who is contending for a championship rolls that bullpen

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now yeah, that's that's a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you what do you what do you do if the giant's creep closer to 500?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you just keep this this bullpen the way it is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you improve on it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was looking at um

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking at fan graphs and I was just kind of, I wanted to see if I could figure out some information.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the giants, they let their starters go a lot more than a lot of the other teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they don't have as many bullpin innings as some of these other teams do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they have the least, sorry, second to least, second to least K per nine for bullpins in all of baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or let's say nationally, I think only looked at nationally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the second worst in walks per nine, only the reds are worse in walks per nine than the giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the giants don't give up the bullpen is not giving up a tunnel home runs, but they're just not striking out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens is the other teams put balls in play, their giants are putting guys on on on the bases because they're not they're not attacking and that's kind of what you see and then there's no one single source of like I got this last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tyler Rogers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got this, like, don't worry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if someone's going to get hit off of me, it's a little bloop shot in the center field, like no one's taking me deep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they've got to do three of those in a row to get around, you know, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they don't have an I got this guy in the bullpen right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it's Matt Gage who's just, you know, the lefty who comes in and throws

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[SPEAKER_00]: to find reliable arms like the Dodgers they had Blake Snell go on the DL they immediately made a trade it doesn't like who cares who it is right i think the blue jays fans are like all thank god someone took the guy off off of our hands i forget his name

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the giants have all these injuries in the book and they have all these issues and they're like no, we'll just keep mixing and matching the guys that we have and that's what tells me that they don't believe that they have the right roster to win big ball game just because they're they're not even investing

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[SPEAKER_00]: in a starting, the starting pitching, that takes them deep into games and then you turn it over and it's like, you know, this no name bullpen that is no one is confident in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the other thing that when you look at this team, it's like, I'm not sure the front office even believes that this is a team that can contend because of the bullpen that they're rolling out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's fair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're not going to be making any trades for a closer at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you look at the triple ace statistics, it's nobody's coming from Sacramento to save this bullpen at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The pieces are there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we get one more piece, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't there one more picture that the giant signs of the bull laces?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, former Michael former.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the one guy that they did, yeah, it's Michael former.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the one guy that they did sign in the off season that they were kind of waiting for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's pitched.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 15 games, five saves, 17 innings pitch, but I think he's coming up to the point where he cannot because you can only have what 30 days in a rehab assignment in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's about to hit that mark and so he's going to have to come up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Other than that when you look at the stats in Sacramento, it's not

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's really nobody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So somebody has to emerge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, as a back-end bullpen guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, if this team does go on a run, is it going to be because of a light-top back-end of the bullpen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's going to be because of offense, and so at that point, I think you can maybe possibly trade for somebody who might be a closer set up man somewhere, you know, Tony Santia from the reds if they start to fall off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know those types of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, you have to give up prospects and I think the giants, I think the giants number one priority right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're not saying it because, but it began, you know, I've been thinking this for like a year and a half now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure the giant's number one priority is to build that build the farm system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just build it up to the point, too, because you look at your rivals, you know, look at the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And anytime those guys need to trade for somebody, they've got chips.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've got minor league players, they can trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the giant started doing that at this moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a really, really great high end of their farm system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're very, very top heavy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're also very, very top-heavy with 16 and 17-year-olds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is not like they're going to be trading away, anybody from AAA that's going to make a difference to get a meaningful piece to the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm afraid we're writing out with this bullpen for the rest of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Giants look at Arizona for three games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Arizona is 22 and 23 Giants are 20 and 27.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Arizona obviously scores more runs of the Giants because I think the Giants are still like the lowest run scoring team in all of baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, they are the lowest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Only the Boston Red Sox are really close to them as far as that is concerned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the Rangers as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the giants don't score any runs, but they're not giving up a ton either, so that kind of keeps them in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Diamondbacks are a minus 17.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Run differential, they're 12 and 9 home team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This might be a tougher series for the giants to kind of build up on what they did against the A's, if they should, they need to take one for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could they get two, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's really this coming back around,

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[SPEAKER_00]: where I would hope that if you are looking to where they can pick up a little bit of slack, the white socks, great story, but you have three at home, including Sunday, which is Star Wars Day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Diamondbacks come back into town and they have this funky 205 start on

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[SPEAKER_00]: there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, then you're going to Colorado and you can actually pick up some wins there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is a really important stretch of where thinking that they can get back to 500, hoping that they can get back to 500, play competitive baseball to where I'm just like, oh, by the fifth inning, this game's over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like the worst feeling in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've had a lot of them, but we're like the third inning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or yeah, this is like, do I turn it off?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, lucky, luckily for me, I'm a Vegas Golden Knight fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are some nights where I'm like, I'm going to hot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not gonna watch the rest of this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna switch over to the hockey game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And still have the Giants game on, like on a second screen, but usually the Giants are my first screen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, some of the games are tough to watch, but if they, you know, if they're in it like they were,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those two games against the Dodgers, those two games against the A's, I get you're going to loot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to win every game of every series, but let's get a series sweep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get one series sweep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just to kind of make us feel like, oh, maybe this team does have a kill shot in their, you know, in their arrows, because right now I don't need, you talk about it all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How?

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[SPEAKER_00]: this team wins the first two games of a series and you're like well that's it because we're not winning the third this team doesn't have the kill shot it doesn't have to go for it so I think we more than anything I'd love to see that yeah it would be fun if they could it look look go on up go on a run right I don't know what they're like we can probably figure this out because the season is still so early what would you guess is the most games that they've

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was for right for maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so I'm going all the way back to the beginning of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So far, three, they went three in a row against the Phillies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They shut out the Phillies two games a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Orioles came to town and they won that first game of the Orioles series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They beat the Reds and Nationals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They beat the Reds once and the Nationals twice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For another three gamer, then they beat the Dodgers to two games in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if they had actually won that third national's game, that would have been a nice little, little, five gamer there or six gamer, actually, it looks like it might be three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I confirmed with chat GBT and they told me three games is the max for the giants this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I thought we had a four game winning streak,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, there needs to be, there needs to be, you know, it would be really nice when the last game of this series, sweep a three game series, when the first game in the next series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you got a nice little five game win streak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what I'm kind of wondering about this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can get the last game of that DBAC series and then take care of business against the white socks, then maybe you do put together something, but it's like that again, it's another thing that serious baseball teams do is they can go on runs because they get momentum and they go, oh man, like we're hot right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just go for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now in some cases,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like your bullpen or you extend guys and then you're worse for the wear, but a team like the giants

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[SPEAKER_00]: that would create so much momentum and also it would give the fans something to cheer for if they went on like a four or five game run because then you're because we're watching these games going like seasons kind of boring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know it to expect they strike out all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't score any runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they win a couple of games and you're like, oh, that was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they were then when two more games, we would get so excited, but we kind of, we kind of know, we're like, okay, they want to, the pride lose the next one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just kind of how they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you don't, you can't really super duper get excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of feel like at this point, this team needs to lock into a five game win streak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There needs to be something weird that happens, where they lock into a five game win streak, because there's just too many holes in this team right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think you and I would think we're back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is this team is on a run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're going to get ourselves into the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's just more of a for everybody for all the fans and like, you know, get behind this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to mean a lot to the team too if they go on a five game winning streak and the fans are get excited about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to mean a lot for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would like to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: them get closer to 500.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you kind of force buster to dig in and look for possibilities to add some talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I saw the other day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, who's unsigned still right now, not that the giants would bring this first and back because they have too many DHS are ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our old buddy, Wilmer Flores did not pick up a no-no team picked him up in the offseason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still out there hanging out

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I saw, I don't know where where he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he is an athletic article.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, yeah, he's in the Mexican League, um, he's playing for the Toros de Tijuana, so he's playing in Tijuana, which is crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so he's not that far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's down in southern California, basically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me see if, uh, you know what, you can actually find stats for the Mexican League on baseball reference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm punching them up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That up right now, but of course it's taking forever since we're alive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is batting right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Free 13 with two home runs and nine ribs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And 10 walks and nine strikeouts in 21 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got some good number to eight, 60 OPS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Crush in the baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe if he was hit in like 430, then a team would he would be on their radar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That they probably think he would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we're doing a few more of those YouTube shorts these days, so we put up one last week about Patrick Bailey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have another one later this week, so if you enjoy that kind of content, check it out, and those are going up on Instagram as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, we're, you know, we have the discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can join the discord link will be in the footnotes

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So hopefully, cross your fingers that the giants can go on a little bit of a run in these next couple of weeks, because it just seems like from a schedule perspective, this would be their best opportunity anytime soon to kind of jump on one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So white socks, diamond backs, and then Rockies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for Brad, I am a double G. We will see you when we see you, peace out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.