Lacob Email & Kuminga DNP Drama: Warriors Rut Fix & WNBA CBA Update | Golden State Hoop

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about the lawyers, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a lot to talk about because there was a

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[SPEAKER_00]: an email that was answered today that seems to be creating a lot of news coming out of it, but there's also some valkyries stuff going on, which will be fun to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't had a lot of valkyries stuff to talk about, but we have Veronica Burton playing for Team USA, and then we have Caleb Thornton,

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[SPEAKER_00]: talk to Marissa and Jimmy about the possibility of coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She really wants to come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll also talk about the latest in the CBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a nice story from Ben Pickman, which I guess is nice for him, but it's not nice for the prospects of resolving this thing anytime in the near future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And are we going to this college basketball thing this weekend?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's going on with that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to get tickets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So name the teams again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stanford.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, goodness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's I think it's Stanford Berkeley UCLA and one more, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: USC, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: USC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: USC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, is it UCLA or USC?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is the whole thing called?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Bay Area in Visil.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last year it's called the Bay Area in Visiline Women's Classic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: USC and who's the other team, I don't know is it will last year was a Ohio state or again, Oregon is it or

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[SPEAKER_00]: or yes, Oregon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is actually happening on Sunday at three o'clock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess is tip off for the first game, which is Stanford Oregon, and then five 30 tip for Cal USC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So two games for the price of one, if you want to head out to Chase Center.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see, well, I'm not, I'm not saying that we're going to be there until Brian decides that he wants to be out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, so let's actually kick it off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll start talking some warriors here before we move on to the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this email that supposedly Joe Lake sent to a fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've a lot of questions about this email.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A, how did the fan find his actual email address?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is his company email address I'm assuming?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or like the venture capital?

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[SPEAKER_01]: email there and get their hands I thought it was interesting warriors world tweeted out that you know fans have done this a lot throughout the years and he responds a lot and there's been a lot of funny screenshots so you know I think that this is not like the first time this has happened like it seems like this is like a reoccurring occasion which I feel like kind of takes the

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[SPEAKER_01]: maybe more of like the intensity that surrounds this for a lot of people thinking like this is just out of on a whim just like the only time he's ever done this before because I feel like that would be something that we maybe stress more if this is the first time he's ever done it but it sounds like that's it quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess does he reply to the ones where the fans are frustrated and like because like this one was very

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, lines about coaches and Jimmy Butler and stuff and I'm just like, what what really got into him to want to answer this fan?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's kind of what we're thinking, um, maybe some frustration with Steve Kerr for the Jonathan Kominga DNPCDs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's say that is the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say that this is all about Kominga.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Lake saw the boxcores for the previous coming games before the DNP's this brother was not light in the world on fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's yes, but I mean here's the here's a stat on by the throw at you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I looked at the lineups.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is their most played lineup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in terms of minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I filtered by totals, not from a per game perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's the lineup of Stephen Curry, Jimmy Butler, Dramon Green, Jonathan Kominga, and Brandon Pashemski.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lineup they started with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think at the beginning of the season, they have played 65 minutes together, most of any lineup on the warriors, and they are a plus 25.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then now the lineup that Steve Kerr has just announced that will be the starting line I'm going forward of Stephen Curry, Jimmy Butler, Dramon, Greene Moses, Moody, and Quentin Post.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've played a total of, I believe that's 15 minutes together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't really sound right, but a minus seven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but that plus 25 was probably like a plus more than that before, and heavily waited on when coming, it was playing really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder what it's been of like, don't you fit, isn't there some type of parallel between, you know, coming as playing well?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Steph's available, Steph goes down, coming to start's not playing that well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I almost feel like there's a handcuff with Steph that like, okay, Steph's back now, let's play the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like let's try it again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there has just been no, he got the DMPs in the Chicago game, the Cleveland game looked terrible for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was a really rough watch from his perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so he got the DMP in the Chicago game and then Steph's back against Minnesota and DMP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Steph's back against Portland DMP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes you think if like he did something or said something or Aaron Turner keeps talking too much or like yeah, like there's no rhyme or reason from what from what I can tell other than Kerr, you know, Kirk Kerr has his general statements about JK's game, you know, he's just got to do x y and z.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But okay, so let's say that lake up Lake up had this like

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had this idea that, oh, you know, if this gets out, then, you know, maybe it's for the better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I, I really don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he seems way too smart to send something like that, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say that Steve sees that and get some sort of message.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that mean that Steve's going to play JK 30 minutes on Thursday?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, we're doing this on Tuesday because the Warriors play Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm out tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So rare Tuesday show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're a couple of days ahead of our normal schedule.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is just like a warning sign like you better play him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I sent the email, this is a public thing now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure what the outcome is or what the solution is here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really think that Steve would play John and the commingate to per se to save his job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that he would do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that is the case here, either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if he plays John and the commingate, it's just

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[SPEAKER_01]: just to, I don't know, in the owner or to keep a good relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like I don't, I don't think he really like, I think it would be silly to fire Steve Kerra.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Steve would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Steve Steve, Steve Kurtz only got this is his last year of his deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't even have to fire him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just expires.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but this is feels like the last year of potential championship contention, which already feels way out of the picture right now, but it feels like there's some type of you could maybe still like send that coming a trade and hopefully you get something like that's kind of what this season's kind of relying on which already tells you it's kind of a messed up season it's not really going to happen, but that that's why it's like this is like the last shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John Hollinger had a column today about the top two trade, not not trade targets, but like it's trade season like here's some some stuff here and the first one is obviously on us and the second person he had on his list was coming up and he still has this he still had it in print, which I'm actually surprised that he wrote it because it seems like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a commitment to Milwaukee is just outlandish these days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like so many other teams have better offers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he thinks that this is really Yannis wanting to go to Golden State, but he was basically saying that you know, it have to be coming up in multiple firsts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then to make the salaries work, you would have to add dream on and basically your team would be Steph Jimmy and Yannis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let go of moody and heal or whatever, but just the idea that we're still having this conversation is kind of surprising to me because what I feel

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[SPEAKER_00]: is that had JK started the season like he did and then we were immediately able to trade him like maybe his trade value was at its highest peak since his early early days, but since then, like his trade value has to be kind of low right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't see what team other than we've heard the kings in maybe Chicago as possibilities, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: like who do the kings have on their team that you would be really interesting trading for who is available.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't think of anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just Keyon Ellis is like the only kind of interesting, but like you don't do that straight up for Kominga.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even, like, I don't even, the salaries would have to, I don't even know what Keyon makes, Kim probably makes like six, you know, so I don't know how you end up getting to that number.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Malik Monk I guess, but no, yeah, it's just I think that there I think the I mean if it's not clear as day by now like coming to us going to get traded and I think it's a 85% chance it happens by this deadline and if it isn't by this deadline, I think you know the front office is a failure because then it's going to happen at the offseason and it was we just wasted a season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it feels clear that the coach isn't going to play him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And why the coach isn't going to play him like I trust Steve Kerr, but I think that I don't know, it's almost just like, Steve is like, this kid doesn't listen to me therefore I'm just like not going to play him even if at the expense of the team, which

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm kind of puzzling like I'm not entirely sure how to wrap my head around this one either, but he just seems like you, I think you had texted me like a hired gun, like a six seven hired gun off the bench, young and athletic, what did you need against Minnesota in Portland, young and athleticism, and it's like Bill Richard and John of the coming of DMP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why they don't just like, I'm not even asking for 25 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying six minutes, this is what Pat Spencer got, like something, one stint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm with you, but here's what I wonder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if it's even beneficial to play Kimminga in this hired gun kind of role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if Steve feels like Kimminga's heart would be in it, knowing that he's a bench piece and he's specifically for the right matchups, you're running him out there because this is what they did when he was a rookie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so to Kimminga might be like, oh man, I'm going backwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that better?

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[SPEAKER_00]: for the warriors to have a kominga play in this role who might be truly might not be that inspired or is it better for the DNPs and I don't know because we're not in that locker room we don't see the chemistry we don't see the body language we don't know the communication between coming in the coaches so there could be something there that we just don't know what we do know is that in spurts kominga has played really well

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's played really poorly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There hasn't really been a middle ground there where where you're watching coming and going like, okay, he's having an average game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's either he's played well or he's been disappointing and I'm not sure like what what does Kerr, you know, what is Kerr looking for obviously some consistency, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it is the the Steph Curry thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, maybe if you line JK up with Steph, that's when he's going to play the best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of what they thought, which is what we need him with Jimmy out there, you know, he's crashing weekside, cutting weekside doing whatever, you know, Jimmy's got the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy's a great passer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All we saw the last time coming a play to all I saw was this dude just sitting in the corner and shooting threes and I'm just like well what good is he there like the teams like sure let's play four on five we even if coming a mix a few of those you're like okay just keep shooting them because the thing that we're worried about is you crushing us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: coming down the lane or cutting or getting to the hoop and going to the free throw line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You shooting threes is like playing in our hands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like it's really interesting to see going forward with all of this drama and maybe maybe most of it is just fan drama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like there's not really real drama.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's just going to be interesting to see how do they play this knowing all of the things that we know, which is they need to trade him and now his trade value seems to be as low as it's been in quite a while like I'm just not sure how you play that hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and still like how do you get the most out of comminga a to help the team and b to do that make his trade value higher yeah yeah and i mean to add to that just my earlier point just looked up again another i found another lineup with comminga hence the next most played one for coming on the warriors forty four minute stuff jimmy dry jk post plus fourteen just like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I just don't see the rationale for I feel like you can be of the camp to simultaneously believe that this guy needs to be off the team as soon as possible while also believing that he should be getting minutes in this rotation right now there's a camp for that and I and I just feel as though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, earlier this season playing really well, doing all the little things, able to help this team win games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, a couple bad games and then Steph goes down and then he gets pulled from the starting line up in those San Antonio games and then he goes down or something like he gets or something happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he got hurt and then it's just been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, staggering with him and Steph, not being available.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like he's almost got to be attached to Steph to have impact and Steph's back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's play him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I can give JK some of the benefit of the doubt here, the warriors have been very rickety this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many games a Steph miss like nine Jimmy has Jimmy has missed a few.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dramon has missed a few.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So even if

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[SPEAKER_00]: you were saying that, you know, J.K. plays very well in this kind of lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That lineup hasn't even really been all that available for him to even play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if you want to give him a little bit of the benefit of the doubt, some of the lack of consistency are these vets who have been unable to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, the flip side of that is, well, J.K., we just paid you all this money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that you can help us when these guys are not there and there were games in which he absolutely did not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like it's almost like he's he being penalized for that who knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's lots of things that you can kind of put your finger on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the thing that's most important to this team is really the guys who are making all the money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dremon, Jimmy, and Steph need to be healthy and need to all be on the court for these guys to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if we go back to the last game, the last two games really, I thought the Minnesota game while it was disappointing to lose that game because there's no Anthony Edwards on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is that is a structure of a team that just gives them problems because of

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[SPEAKER_00]: just the the players like you know I'm sure Steph Hates going up against what what is the the wing defender's name McDonald's yeah he probably hates going up against that dude and then you have no as read who's the warrior's killer

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I really can really go bare.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't keep him off the boards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and they can't probably middle-est Rudy game against the warriors in their entire career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Dramon wasn't playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that kind of makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, if Dramon plays, they probably win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, you don't say that too confidently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you say, oh, well, Anthony Edwards did even play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that whole thing doesn't even matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They lose if Anthony Edwards plays probably.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the game that

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[SPEAKER_00]: just despicable loss was the last one I feel like both are I feel like both are at least Minnesota has the kind of talent where you're like okay like that's a team theoretically I'm fine losing to that team not the last game the last game was so bad

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that also might be the best game, Jeremy Grant had against the Warriors in the entire career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's the thing, which was what we're going to talk about in a second, Portland is so athletic, they get to the whole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then because the Warriors are not athletic, they're just playing the recover game the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what that does is leaves wide open three pointers it's the drawn kick game and it's not yes yes sorry keep going well and then so how do you counter that well maybe you want to counter it with some athleticism.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And how about athleticism and size and guess who has to pull up the JK and no will Richard for two games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the, is it trying to get Deanthony Milton in the mix?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the Pat Spencer minutes like I'm not exactly, I'm not sure what it was, but I know that unless we'll Richard is hurt and maybe he maybe there is something where he's, he's not feeling well, but he could have helped in that Portland game for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys better than maybe anybody of the vets that were on the bench and so I'm that's the one that I'd like, you know, I was like, I told you in your brother, like, okay, I get the coming a thing, I do not get the will Richard thing, especially in this Portland game because he should be ready made to match up against some of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Especially with what he's shown us thus far, like, you know, he's gotten the opportunity as a second round pick and he's out performed the expectation already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think he can be, he's already starting to get like the loony type of like treatment on the warriors where it's like we love you, but you're getting yanked whenever Just going to keep getting yanked at random points, but I want to I want to say that dance and he melts and coming back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: has kind of been like awesome like very like very good he looks he looks pretty good like he's these reliable he's not making a three yet not making the three but I don't think I like the Anthony Milton as a small forward yeah yeah they closed the game with Steph Pods Milton Jimmy Dre and Paul Milton assignment was Denny Obdia like what the hell are

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[SPEAKER_01]: they need, they need athleticism and size.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, you think in your head, well, the warriors, you know, they, they're bread and butter a small ball five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's small ball, but when clay's six seven and when Andre Gidal is six seven or six eight, when Dramons, you know, around that height and, you know, it was always like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Small ball but with size minus stuff like stuff was the smaller like the true like point guard height Everyone else was a small forward power forward height.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This this iteration of the warrior's small ball is three guards And Jimmy Drey like that's just it's just it's not gonna work bring back Harry B I'll take him Harry B's old now You don't even think about Harry B being an old guy and he's kind of an old guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do the Kyrie draft

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I guess the question is if you had Steve Curse ear or maybe you could send an email that would get activated and Anthony Slater would ask Steve Curse about it, what would be one move would it be just pair coming up with stuff and see what happens?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I would say dear Steve Curse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we have the exact same team as last year plus melted in horror.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why do we look significantly worse than last year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You said the defense wasn't an issue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, the defense looks like a big issue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though the defense of rating might look high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like at the end of games, it looks like you can't stop a fly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would say, yeah, I would say match up commingo with Steph and, you know, just this is a roster that

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[SPEAKER_01]: you should be winning maybe it's not as good as I thought of course it's obviously not but may you should probably still be winning more games than you have so he said he blamed himself after the report and stuff and i i feel like there is some line of combinations that have still been not explored that you know that need to be explored and you know when you took a game like

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just can't trade them until the 15th January.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to figure it out until the 15th January, which is a month away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a month away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's which feels like forever, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like forever with this rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like 16 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like the it's um, you kind of wonder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And how much do they did the, I know Dre hadn't been playing much and that's going to be a team that frustrates Dre.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just because they're so fast and just because they're so fast and so long they're going to run into the right direct into the right area, almost on accident sometimes, but there were moments where.

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[SPEAKER_00]: dream on a throw pass to nobody, he even yelled at quit and post one time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're racing back, they're running back and dream on chillin like he's not running back on defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like it happened, if it happens once and you're like, yeah, he's just frustrated like you get it happens twice you're like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but to happen like as I think it happened like three times in the game where he did something or he got frustrated And they just had a layup on the other end and when in a game when you only lose by five points or four points or whatever it was whatever it was

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I could see that, hey, how about we clean some of that stuff up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that's what they're thinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Dramon has called, and I'm not saying Dramon has, is looking like he's blameless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's saying like, no, it's not Steve's fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's us, like we just haven't, the reason why he's using so many lineups is because we, we haven't figured it out on, on, on our end, and so he's had to try and make some changes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is I would wonder how like if you were to tell current coaches like rank your guys one through 12.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like how would he rank somebody like pods like in his heart of hearts to see, you know, talent wise pods is probably in the top six, but does he always play up to that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's he can be fairly inconsistent as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The problem is is that what he kills them with, this is indecisiveness is what he really kills them with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where does Moses moody fit?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it goes back to what we talked about last year and what you're talking about with JK here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Moses moody is a ball player when Steph is on the court and when Steph is not on the court, he does not look like a ball player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't look like a guy who should be in your top rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now you have a guy like Milton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where does Milton fit on that list?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like you have like a top three?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have nine guys bunch together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's almost how he plays the rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even our guy, Guy, who on a good team probably shouldn't get much run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But in a game in which Jonathan Kaminga

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll Richard get DMPs, geese play in like five minutes or six minutes or whatever and maybe it's because of the hustle, maybe it's because he's he and Pat Spencer or kind of like those energy energy guys, but that's the part of the rotation where it just seems like there's so much inconsistency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would like to say, if I was, if I'd Steve's here, I would just be like, okay, like, who do you actually believe in?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I want to see what you believe is your best team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Match up speed damned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who are your five guys that you're running out there?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That you believe in, that you want to go win a basketball game with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's see who those guys are because otherwise, it's just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you see that, geese Santos and Pat Spencer line up in a sense, you're like, oh, good for those guys, but on the other end, I'm like, oh, my gosh, how are we starting two guys who would be like 10th and 11th guys on almost every other askability?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, it's bad Spencer's a starter against Minnesota and then gets completely like six minutes again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He sent those team high plus three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Inter-umportling game tied with Quentin posts is just a weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's move over to the WMBA and talk some Valkers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't had a chance to talk true Valkeries in a little while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's switch over to Pad, Hala.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not that there's really a ton of information out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have a ton of footage of these team USA practices.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is kind of fun to see Veronica Burton in the mix with all of these players, Natalie and the Kase in the mix with these coaches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Veronica Burton had a comment sort of about the iron sharpening iron as far as her being out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is this is an awesome moment for her, but it's also like one of those things where, you know, I think she's playing unrivaled and it's going to be cool to see her play unrivaled, but this is kind of like a major step up moment for her where it's like, oh, this is how people actually see you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to play with this echelon of talent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's in the mix with first timers like Caitlin and Paige and Angel Breeze and players like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's in that mix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a little bit older than them, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to be on that team, I think it's got to be pretty special for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder how,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If she feels any pressure to just be like all of a sudden, like, oh my gosh, I need to even be better next year than I was the previous year because her playing so well kind of caught a lot of people off guard and sometimes when you're able to do that, there's not as much pressure, but now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we have this next season whenever we have it, you know, there's going to be lots of footage on how do we stop Veronica Burton, but this is an amazing moment for her and I I love seeing her be being able to soak it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: yeah and hopefully next year they have more help for her so you know if people try to stop Veronica then you have you stay open in the corner then you have set free Jane open that and you can help and Kayla's back and I don't know so yeah I mean I saw I saw some of those

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then yes, she's you could see her in these clips at that USA camp at Duke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like I think it was at Duke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But man, the it was cool kind of seeing from that from those scrimmages.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was cool seeing a lineup of Caitlin page, angel, Alia Boston, and I think it was the area fan or if it was Citron, I think it was Citron, like what a five, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just like, that's just a pure like year one year to five that are, you know, looked like they're going to dominate the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how they should do the Alster game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The OG's versus like the Tony five and under is or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be a good way to do the Alster game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Kayla Thornton was also in the in in the in the blogs, I guess, Marissa and Jimmy had a conversation with her and she's they, you know, talks about coming back to San Francisco and she said, yeah, that's the hope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been able to slow down and do what I've been wanting to do, giving back to the community because usually I'd probably be overseas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a bit of a blessing to get to stay here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm praying that I'll be back when training camp starts and ready to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been interesting seeing her she's like she's like legit just like here and lying to me I think there was a near my apartment at Union Square.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They do like they shut off like two blocks for this Christmas kind of block Event where it's all lit up and different shops and looks like winter wonderland and I think the Valkyries had a booth and Kayla was there just like I wish I mean I wasn't in town, but I would have totally went

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a conversation, and we even had this conversation on the expansion draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a subset of people who think, why would you protect Kayla?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's in her early thirties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a young team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even if you...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if she makes you better, you're not winning the title with her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you should protect some of the younger players and one of those players who's on the bubble is Carla Late Ben and Sabrina when they did their draft, they had Carla as unprotected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there are some people and even people in our discord who believe that maybe Kayla should be the one who is unprotected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are discordant and who's a listener as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chris had a question and I think we've answered it correctly, but I just wanted to bring it up because it is what people are wondering and I think we even asked Sabrina this last year, but it's like the idea of why would you protect somebody who's essentially going to be a free agent?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the answer is that if you protect them, you have this window of time in which you negotiate with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you don't protect them,

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[SPEAKER_00]: then they're going to be on the other team and the other team has this opportunity to have conversations with them and negotiate with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you want to kind of keep them in house and then you can, you know, you can rebuild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the idea is also, I mean, there's also the core.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They get other team can select and core and then you're cooked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're screwed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, do you think Caleb would be someone who would be cord though?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think from an optics perspective of your Portland or, you know, Toronto and you're not really able to attract maybe the free agents you were hoping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: then you could say Caleb Thornton was an all-star last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were we have no other player on our team that was an all-star in the past three years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Will it score her?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what does a core mean in the new CBA?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not going to mean $200,000 like it does right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's a real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I say this every podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like a broken record, but we still still need to learn the rules.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, for those who don't remember the Valkyries for their expansion draft had a rule that they were only able to select one unrestricted free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: um, and they selected Monique Billings with that one available unrestricted free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the rules for when Toronto and Portland do their expansion draft because a lot of players are unrestricted free agents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot, a lot, a lot of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it would be weird if they only had one, but then I don't know what's their limit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we just need to wait for the rules because I think once you get the rules, you could be a little more strategic with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it is still only one, then maybe you do let Kayla, you do leave it because maybe there's a chance that a better unrestricted free agent is there for the taking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, personally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the fandom coming out a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like watching her play basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would she possibly play in front of other players?

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[SPEAKER_00]: like Chetchie, where maybe you want, or maybe you want Chetchie to get some of those names.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like Chetchie's a youngest person either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Would she stall some of you stays in minutes who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is an interesting exercise because

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[SPEAKER_00]: of of the way the things work and expansion is going to keep happening so this is going to be a conversation over the next several years as well as how do you keep all these players I think you can start like like for sure we know Veronica and Janelle are going to get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know that those two players are not only going to be protected, but they're going to be starters for this team next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you say if like Kayla's on the team, you basically write in three starters in Veronica Katelyn and Janelle and I feel like you'd want to kind of surround them with two very, like

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[SPEAKER_01]: offensive players to kind of make up for maybe some of the offensive deficiencies that Kayla has that sometimes Veronica can get stopped and then Janelle, you know, sometimes I've off nights and I know we're so far away from thinking about roster construction, but if those three are protected and and still on the team like I imagine those are already three starters locked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they got to be locked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: finding two more players that are way more offensive than Tammy was way more offensive than Monique was Eliana repair kind of but has has offense but you know repair is clearly got to be kept I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Start doing the numbers it just gets a little I think so too but it's five you want to do the five it's Veronica, Janelle, you stay that's three we get two more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kayla.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In your world based on based on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's got to be repair right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then no Chetchy, no Carla.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think those would be the two obvious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No killer Charles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She played a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A starter, but like, there's no world I've never seen her name on any of these mock protection.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, not at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you have seen some carless in ours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when we thought it was seven, I thought that maybe Carla would get protected.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, of course, no Tiffany Hayes, I don't think we expect that, um, no Kate Martin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's it's I think the obvious ones are Chetchi and Carla, though, if you go with that five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think unrivaled tips off in like three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at least we'll have some basketball to check out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And not only basketball, but in Valkyries, we'll have like four Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Tiffany Hayes, we talked about it on this show that we didn't see her name in the initial unrivaled rosterless, which was interesting because she was on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The previous year, and she didn't confirm in her exit interview that she was gonna be playing unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was with, I think it was at a Turkish team, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: something happened where they mutually parted ways and I don't know what that really means from like, you know, you saw what happened with Dominique Belonga and her club.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't seem like the same thing with Tiffany, but yeah, now Tiffany is just playing unrival.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, yeah, she got replaced.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She replaced Dr. Sobly, who is still recovering from a concussion suffered in game,

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[SPEAKER_01]: of the WMB finals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, now we have Kate Veronica, Monique, and Tiffany, if I'm missing anyone I don't think I am, but yeah, those four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I think we have a me here in the, she's in the reserve player,

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's finish off this show talking about the CBA Ben Pickman posted an article earlier this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: January 9th is still the expiration, but as we've seen, it could get pushed out again, but the further you push out the, uh, worry, the closer the worries are to not starting the season on time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a few things that were, uh, laid out here that we should probably talk about, and one of them is the revenue gap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've been talking about how the NBA has a 50% to the players and 50% to the owners on all basketball related income and the WNBA players association was talking about that kind of deal for themselves and the

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[SPEAKER_00]: WNBA owners were saying, well, we have this like pool of money, which I think they call the, um, shareable revenue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is a pool of the revenue that they say out of this pool, you guys get 50% of this pool, but it is a smaller amount of the revenue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now the players have basically said that they want 30% of total league and team revenue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is different than what the NBA has.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's what I said earlier how they don't need 50 now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just need a plan to eventually get to 50 if this league

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think 30 is actually a good place for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the owners are like, no, how about 25?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe they kind of meet there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But not being at 50, I do not think is a loss for the players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think going from whatever they get now to 25 or 30, I think that's actually a win for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then five years down the line when we do this again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe you bump up to 35 then you bump up to 40 and eventually your end goal is to get to 50 and this league is going to be successful if you do so that is their counter would go up one year annually so you'd start at 30 you get to 34 by the end of this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's, but there's still, there's still that difference because the league is like, nope, we like this shareable revenue metric thing and the players are like, nope, we want this total revenue thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's just such a large delta steel, still about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about the demands as we know it for what the players want versus what the owners want?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, I'm always, I'm always going to side with the players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think, yeah, I mean, I, I, I think we had talked about it before and, and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think that they would, you know, hold strong for 50% after receiving 9% for these past however long it was like I knew that they were going to be able to settle for lower than 50 I think I think they'll probably go below 32 like I think we're talking about 20 to 25 would be my guess once it's all said and done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there was some other interesting stuff like the players want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: them to hold a minimum of 12 players and 11 because you can only have 12 players, but you hold a minimum of 11, the players union or association wants it to be a minimum of 12.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like that start date that for some reason though the WMBA wants to start in like march or something or not was it they wanted to start early and interfere with

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[SPEAKER_01]: the college season, which just does not make sense at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, so, so there's the player compensation piece, which is the salaries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the way that the league is proposing the the shareable revenue, the average salaries would be in the 500 range and the max salary would be in the 1.2.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The player's association

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[SPEAKER_00]: haven't set a hard ceiling for the maximum, but expects the top players to get, you know, to get a million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The union wants, like you said, to mandate 12 player roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the player association and add two developmental spots per team to accommodate the growth of the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So kind of like how basically it's a way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The NBA has 15 roster spots, so they would want 12 plus two to have as development a role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Player Association also doesn't want this core designation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if this is negotiable though because if you can make the so the NFL has something very similar to this, but it's almost never used and so by that the players do have some juice here and the the agents in the NFL so they kind of negotiate around it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe the players give this one up and go, okay, we're okay with the core, but maybe you changed the terms of the core.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you can only do it once.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's what's, I think that's likely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't do that, then you give us shorter contracts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can core us once, but you give us shorter contracts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's three-year deal, you can core us once.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then after the fourth year, we become free agents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By shorter contract, you mean shorter rookie contracts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so for the schedule and the structure, the Player Association wants to increase the schedule to 48 games and 50 once they get to 18 teams and the league has said they want the opportunity to go to have even more games and then what you were talking about, which is opening training camps as early as mid-March, which means

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[SPEAKER_00]: your draft class would not be at training camp yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So basically you have your team, your vets, and then the rookies would come late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then as far as the draft is concerned, they want that draft combine, which we've talked about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the other things that they're

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[SPEAKER_00]: Negotiating parental leave the league offered one week of paid leave for non-birthing parents the union is asking for four weeks of paid leave The player association wants 500 a month reimbursable for out of network mental health services Which the league has rejected in favor of you know whatever their own providers and solutions are so out of network meaning

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then retirement health screening programs and one time payments for retired players with at least four-year service is a proposal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a security issue and some of this is got to be Caitlyn Clark related like when you know she was you know there was so much surrounding her and her rookie year and other some of the other players just

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the the player association is demanding two full time security employees per team along with mandated staffing for physical therapists and trainers and then there's this wearable tech thing that the players like sure will wear your wearable tech.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then there's a housing thing as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So lots of things that seem, based on the way that Kelsey Plum, who's the VP of the Player Association, sounds like she's just really down on those talks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it sounds like they're pretty far apart, but when I read all of that stuff out,

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[SPEAKER_00]: it doesn't seem like it has to be so far apart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like there's things that are given take on both sides that should be easier to figure out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe there's just still interested in playing hardball for another three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I kind of, I don't have much to add to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that, you know, but just I just see how it plays out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the last show that we said, all right, I specifically said that, you know, the player's association has one trick up their sleeve, which is get Caitlin Clark out in the media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have her talk about, you know, what she believes they're willing to sacrifice in order for league and the players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she kind of did that, though, it was even two,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe too political for my taste from her now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a very young person and I'm you know She's not this wise and veteran, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a very young person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She wants to play hoop This actually makes her money this house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's marketable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I understand all of that But I wanted to read her quotes before we get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She said

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the biggest moment the NBA has ever seen and it's not something that can be messed up and we're going to fight for everything we deserve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At the same time, oh no, here's where here we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to play basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's your leverage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sissy, you can't do that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you cannot say that you're dying to get back on the court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the owners believe at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to play basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what our fans crave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what all of you crave as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's talking to the journalist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure the journalists are necessarily craving it, but...

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[SPEAKER_00]: is you want the product on the floor at the end of the day, that's how you make the money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then she said, it's important that we find a way to play this next season, our fans and even everybody that has played in this league that has come before us deserve that as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I can't speak to every number.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty complicated, but I think there are different things we can find ways to say, no, we certainly deserve that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're not going to compromise on that and then other things that we can probably compromise on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I liked about half of her statement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there was that other piece where I'm like, don't give in to that desire to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta be willing to lose games in order to really stand for what you believe in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Play the Bible if you want to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can play it unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can create games, charity games with a lot of the players and you know, kind of go and

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[SPEAKER_00]: and go around cities and go, hey, this is the product that, you know, we have that you're not able to see because these owners aren't coming to the negotiation table in the right fashion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she understands her place and this is the same thing that happened with Michael Jordan, which is she has the most important voice and how she uses it is going to be it's going to be very relevant to this deal and I just hope she's able to hold strong and know her, know where she stands and how valuable she is to the player's association here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we are good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As far as next week, being the holiday week, I'm going to guess that we probably will not have a show, but we'll see about the week before the new year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll also play it by ear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of a hard time with the holidays to do stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But any lasting thoughts before we get out of here and and and go do do whatever you need to do and I

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[SPEAKER_00]: eat dinner and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anything anything else you want to say before we get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just got a notification from SoundCloud that James Weissman dropped the new release.

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[SPEAKER_00]: James, what's his rap name?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is his rap name just James Weissman?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought he'd have like a Jimmy J. Yeah, I'm like a one name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I James Dubb or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think no lasting thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of more of a more of a somber episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Boy, you're suck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doesn't seem like we're close on negotiations for CBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe there's no WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next to start then starting to the next season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least the Niners are winning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just hope for the best with WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hope make that be your Christmas wish.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at least the Niners are winning and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that will be the next show on this network, which is Rod and I after the Monday night game against the Colts and, you know, Brad and I, we were talking about doing a show yesterday for Thompson at Clark, but there's not really any Giants news happening and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's that's still small news signing a number five starter or whatever's not not not really to the table full of but yeah, I don't want to talk about this dude's sinker ball and how he doesn't strike anybody out, but if something breaks and the giants do make a move which we don't really expect, you know, we'll we'll we'll we'll try and record something at some point what it happens, but anyways, all right, that is from here