Juste Jocyte Debut, Valkyries Beat Sun, Fever Coming to Town | Podhalla

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, hey, double G here for Pat Holla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did a live stream earlier this morning with uh, Konrato Pasqual who is a frequent guest of ours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we promised that he was going to come back and uh, do another show with me this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We couldn't do it over the weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we did it Monday morning, which meant

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[SPEAKER_00]: that we didn't get to talk about valkyries and sun, though we did talk a lot about kind of the fallout from last weekend's two games losing to the fever, though beating the liberty, and we also talked about Chetchie and juistie who both played tonight, by the way,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I just wanted to kind of get out in front of that live stream because this is just for the audio, but the Valkyries crushed the sun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: not really a competitive game pretty much from the tip, I think the sun got it down to within single digits once or twice in the second quarter I believe, but otherwise it was just the Valkyries, uh, beating them pretty easily, 97 to 70.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gabby Williams,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably her best game of the season, though, she only played 17 minutes, so she didn't necessarily pile up the numbers, like she probably could have, but just from the perspective of she was the best player on the court pretty much the entire time she was on the floor, and if she continues to do that, maybe that is who the Valkyries look to as like the go-to score.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and about to do choose just awesome, awesome, tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, just a kind of a nice little depth game for the Valkyries, Kai Charles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She had 12 and 7 rebounds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was a plus 27, a team high plus 27 for Kyla Charles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Veronica Burton just rock solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't have a ton of points 11 though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They as a team they had seven steals, but it felt like way more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That seven feels a little short to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Latisha, me here was all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She played 18 minutes, scored nine points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn Chen, she had the second most minutes in the game, 22 points, or 22 minutes, 10 points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: two assists, very aggressive with her shot as she's been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess the only one who you could say had an off game, well, two shooting-wise, at least, was a Kayla Thornton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was one of six

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... so she didn't have an opportunity to kind of get those shooting stats up though she led the team with eight rebounds so from that perspective uh... she was solid and also led the team with three steals so not really an off game for her overall just an off game for her offensively and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Janelle Salon, three for 13 shooting, one of nine from three, two of four from the free throw line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She looked a little frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't have that same quick confident trigger that she had earlier in the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know she's being asked to

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[SPEAKER_00]: to do a little bit more in Colorado and I talk about this in the rest of this episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How she's just asked to play a little bit more down low.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of that is probably on her mind as well as she tries to get some shots up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She also led the team with three turnovers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and then we got a Chechi coming back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She immediately drilled the three, and then drilled another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was two, four from three, two, five, overall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, very smooth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Only played 13 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and with just about five minutes left in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You stay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll cheat day came in and immediately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, was the focus of an inbound pass on the baseline for a.

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[SPEAKER_00]: probably 15 to 17 foot jumper money, she then hit a three money, she had a couple passes including a one handed pass on a pick and roll that got a pretzel a bucket.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, of course, it's all garbage time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're already up by, you know, almost 30 points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but you see the stuff in her game that you just can't wait to see her play even more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just another note, Ashton Prette still did get some game time in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She also hit a three have people wondering if her or when Monatanda are going to switch spots from the perspective of one on the development side and one on the active roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when a town that would have to clear waivers first, so they would have to cut her, she would have to clear and she would have to want to come back for that developmental role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she's a little duplicative with you stay and Chetchi on the court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you would think that Prettyl just with her ability, obviously her height for one, they lack bigs and then her ability to stretch the floor a little bit more like what they were

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[SPEAKER_00]: things have to happen in order for that to to be able to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously the coaching and seeing that is is the first and foremost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So look, check out the rest of this podcast, which was Conrado and myself talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of preparing for this moment with you stay in Chetji coming back and just kind of looking at it a little bit from a long term lens talking about the games last week and then really this fever game on Thursday, Amazon Prime game, home game,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the fever kind of got away from the valks a little bit in the last game valks were playing really good basketball for that first half and then second half the fever turned it around and you kind of wonder okay what did the valkeries what did Natalie see that they can utilize I imagine what is going to be just attacking Caitlyn Clark defensively because she didn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just the cause of a lot of Katelyn's frustration which she showed outwardly, probably came from being attacked, Tiffany Hayes pretty much had her way with Katelyn, but then Katelyn gets it back on the other side with she had 22 points in nine and says herself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That game already was going to be a big one any time Caitlyn in the fever come into town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have more eyeballs on you, but after the chipping us after the arguments after the fouls and such and the aftermath of uh, what can I do when I talk about it on the on the rest of the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that all the sudden makes Thursday night's game feel a little bigger than most early season regular WNBA game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure ball, ball, hollow will be rocking there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I'm going to throw it to the rest of this episode with Konrado in myself talking about all of the stuff as we lead to Thursday's game against the fever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as promised it is the return of conrato pass while we were trying to do this over the weekend, but you know weekends pretty busy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so thankful that you were available Monday morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I hope people are enjoying their holiday those who have the day off on Memorial Day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But conrato, let's let's dig into what you were reporting from practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw

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[SPEAKER_00]: there was some conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were some clips of you stay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was at practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was shooting her jumper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys got a chance to talk to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we have any sense yet as to when we think we will see her on the floor?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, you know, she, she phrased it in the sense that like, you know, her job right now is to just stay ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She acknowledges us with her first full practice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's her first full practice, you know, like full participant in a team practice, she didn't practice, you know, in full with the team on the road ship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, from what I understand, like when she arrived in the bay, you know, so she survived before the team left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for their road trip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was doing some like two on two works, some three on three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of like controlled stuff, drills, controlled like simulated scrimmages.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it's not like she's completely like a deer in the headlights, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like she has had an opportunity to watch game film with some of the assisting coaches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she had an opportunity to kind of go over some stuff with Chetchy as like the both kind of like we're sideline last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I believe as Natalie said, like, it's, it's really a more, again, Natalie, her MO is she wouldn't want to put a player in too soon, where it could potentially be, you know, like harmful, you know, and not necessarily just like injury, but again, like if you don't, well, yeah, injury, right, if perhaps you're not on the same page with your teammates, you don't know

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the certain type of like defensive coverage, if like they go into zone, you know, you don't, you know, Natalie is very big about like not wanting her players to get cracked on screens, you know, that largely comes down to communication.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So really it's a matter of how ready she believe you stay feels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the funny thing is Natalie will, I wouldn't say defer, but she's going to say like, I want, you know, you stay or any player to be very candid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me where you think you're at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I personally think she could make her debut tonight against the Connecticut Sun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No offense to Connecticut, but I mean, if it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, I mean, let's be real, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's not a offense to the one in six Connecticut Sun who are 13.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of fans expect the values.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to say blow them out, but to least control this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's the case, like I think the ideal scenario is there's an opportunity for you Stay at least to get like some extended run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like like

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like an 8 to 10 minute stretch on an uninterrupted stretch, maybe in the second half, like late in the game, did you kind of get a feet wet, but if not at the latest, I think Thursday against Indiana.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is a good bet, but by all accounts, it's not officially it'll be official, probably later this afternoon, but she is on track, at least be suited up, you know, an active for the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's the case, then yeah, she could very well make her debut tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From my read on this, like fans just cannot wait to see her in action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw you had tweeted,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that you know, she is a legitimate like six to like she looks tall out there in action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that'll be great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I have two kind of thoughts on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we talk last week, I was like, you know, this rematch with the with the fever, you know, that'd be a great kind of, you know, marketing machine for her to debut in a game where we

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also see trying to get her some run against Connecticut and you know, we don't have to we're not shading Connecticut anyway, but they're one in six, like they are the worst team in the WMBA so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to get her some reps against a team that is maybe not as good to get her feet wet, I could see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What I don't want to see is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Valkyrie, if their Valkyries are winning by 10 and then, you know, the trying to find out, can we get used to it on the court?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, because, you know, the late game WNBA, I don't know how valuable that would be for you say, but then, and we'll talk about the game from last week in a little bit, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: fever rematch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel it's going to be pretty heated, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there were words.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was social media stuff going around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could see tip was very frustrated with her in Caitlyn and the aggressiveness and the trash talking and all that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to throw you stay into that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that is

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[SPEAKER_00]: the WNBA, that's like baptism by fire right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I could see both, you know, both games as good opportunities for her, but that, that, that fever game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people got that one circled man after a lot of week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that will be a very interesting game for you say to make her debut.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, definitely, definitely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can like, she is, she talked about it a little bit yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, she has been playing professionally since she was about 13, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she's no stranger to having to play against, you know, established players, players of, you know, like with, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, like a very storied or stellar reputation, you know, across their respective league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so you know, I'm saying, I'm not sure if I'm saying she wouldn't be intimidated, but I think she's prepared to kind of handle, um, you know, a matchup of that magnitude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and if you've seen, like, you know, if you've gone on YouTube, watch some of her highlights, I mean, she is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think a lot of people in her inner circle would say like, you know, she's kind of more reserve, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, she won't like go out of her way and like be like, hey, look at me, look at me, but, you know, she is very personable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You saw that, you know, yesterday in her media availability.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But on the court, she is absolutely a fiery competitor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think her her new teammates can even attest to that, you know, who were her former opponents former rivals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the fast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I definitely with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of like the idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it would be nice if she could play tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like my ideal scenario for her is like we said, right, the valves are up comfortably.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That like, you know, early in the fourth quarter, you could put her in because

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of talking to some of the other media members yesterday, like, how do we see how, what do we think is the best way to use you stay, you know, in these first couple games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, you know, like she'll be like, you know, kind of playing off the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is a fantastic three point shooter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But she did mention yesterday during her media availability that what she believed she can bring to the team the way she described it was calmness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, specifically she can come in, you know, the balconies, they do run a modest amount of pick and rolls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think through their first five games, approximately like, I just look this up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think like 16% of their total offensive possessions are picking rolls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not particularly efficient at it, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's where you stay believe she can come in, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if they're not spamming the pick and roll, she can bring a level of efficiency, a little bit more dynamism to what they can do out of those high-pick and roll sets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She has familiarity playing with like LTCME here and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so that could definitely help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I would like to see, you know, a couple of opportunities for her to, to be able to create on ball, give her a little bit of a comfort level of being able to kind of execute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and we know right we've seen it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm will get into, but we've seen it how like the offense can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: boggown, you know, and if she's coming in with the second unit, you know, maybe she can just bring a little bit more like fluidity, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are less empty possessions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's less choppy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be my ideal scenario for her in these couple games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that will happen in Indiana, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where she'll have like that much kind of freedom, but maybe tonight, you know, if not maybe, you know, sometime next week,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think when like, again, no, no shade to Portland, but just saying like maybe there's an opportunity there depending on the matchups where she can be a little bit more on ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Chetchee's also.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are zooming on her way back soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, she was so expert.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are two big roster additions and adjustments to the current.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How how net has been running her her roster out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you sense?

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[SPEAKER_00]: what the changes could be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people are just looking at it as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That just means Caitlyn's going to get Caitlyn chance going to get less run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that might be the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Caitlyn Chen is bawling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's shooting like nearly 60% from three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could there be

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[SPEAKER_00]: Starting rotation adjustment with Kyla Charles, who I think she's very solid, but from a scoring perspective, she hasn't been scoring the ball that much you could see in adjustment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, do you sense what what they are going to do if you have a full strength, Chetchie, if you have a full strength and kind of in the rotation you stay?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the idea of Caitlin's minutes kind of being cut down a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that's far-fetched.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To her credit, I think she's done well in her lot of minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's done

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[SPEAKER_01]: what the team has asked her to do, which is again, to consistently create paint touches, to really get dribble penetration, pull the defense towards the baseline so that they could spray out to the corners or to the strong side wing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's done that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's done that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously the scoring production, it could be up and down depending on the matchup as we saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think, yeah, I think one of the things a lot of fans have been talking about is like is Caitlin really a true backup point guard or is she kind of like this combo guard that compliments VB and she's basically done a little bit of both I don't think you stay on necessarily be an exclusive backup point guard, but you saw right like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: who has actually been like the initiators of the offense early in the shock lock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's not VB, it's Gabby, Gabby's run a good amount right of like pick and roll.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you stay could actually have those opportunities there too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause I know like they like having Gabby more off the ball kind of initiate like you know initially positioned on the wing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for Chetchi, I think Chetchi,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think from the onset of training camp or at least when they arrived from their respective after completing their overseas commitments and going back to last year, I think Natalie really likes the pairing of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chetchy and Janelle, you know, as like the kind of combo forwards that they basically can just alternate between the three and the four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I think that'll be the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know a lot of fans are asking when Janelle will be inserted into the starting line up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, basically until I would say simply until the current starting line up stops working.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, only because I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: Natalie really likes the idea of having Janelle in closing lineups.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to kind of come off the bench, then she's a little bit more fresh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She can attack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually asked her about that yesterday during practice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Janelle, we saw it just on this recent road trip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She has like this

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[SPEAKER_01]: she can get clean looks like knock down clean looks late in the shot clock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we talked about that before, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's crazy how the ball seems to always find her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Natalie kind of downplayed saying, well, that's our offense, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's actually gave credits like BB and Gabby, their ability to know what past to make.

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[SPEAKER_01]: right when the defense is rotating so that the ball can find job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But my point is like she's kind of like that one they go to like again in the half court when defenses are really clamping down they go to they go to a job to get like a look off right to get something off and it's worked you know they had some success against the liberty she got some of the similar looks against Indiana they just they just didn't go down but again I think that's

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[SPEAKER_01]: My opinion, I think that's part of the reason why they have started out with her coming off the bench.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As for Kyla, I do agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is limited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We kind of saw that in terms of like shock creation and ball handling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think, again, if there is definitely merit to having her come off the bench, simply because

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Natalie will always kind of lean more towards defense, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw that, both games against the liberty and the fever, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was in the closing lineup in both games because again, they're going to want her to be able to defend specifically at the point of attack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I mean, I think she could come off the bench, the question though is again, they don't want to have too much of any defensive vulnerability in the back court and starting line up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So whoever takes her spot in the starting line up would would have to ensure that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So could that then be moving Gabby back to the two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in kind of going bigger or longer, having either Janelle or Chetchie enter the starting lineup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's definitely a possibility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I know we haven't seen Chetchie since the home or not the home or the season opener.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But she too, that's what makes it so fun between her and and jaw is that again, both of them have that ability to kind of create

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know when the defense is scrambling right when the initial play dies they can go to either one of them and chechi i'm she could definitely pull up from three but you know she loves to get to like that mid-range or to the elbow and then like you know just knock down that pull-up j um you know that the midi so

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think one of the two could definitely enter the starting line up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just really depends on what Natalie wants, like how she envisions the closing line up to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's how she's kind of going with her rotations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's to try to position them so that they're as fresh as possible down the stretch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing about what you've said about how, you know, Natalie's always going to lean towards defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is where I wondered about you stay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in reading scouting reports and you know we have people in our discord who watch a lot of her games over the uh over the spring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she's not going to get like a glowing defensive stopper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: review and and some you know we'll say well maybe you may maybe that's part of the game that she has to work on but that's what I wonder is I'm not I'm not really as from what I've seen from her it seems like she will fit in the flow offensively because she's so smart but I worry about the defensive end and I guess we'll just have to see her with the speed of the game and how she adapts to that but that's where I wonder it's like you know what we'll have to see rotation wise how Natalie values her defensively

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I think again, initially if that is if there's anything preventing her from getting like a normal rotational minutes, I could definitely understand if that's the case, I think the I like I think the hope is again, right, you're not just as you said, you're not just bringing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you stay into the fold, you're bringing Chechi back in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that does change a lot of things, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you're bringing literally one of the best high volume three-point shooters, right, back into this team that shoots a lot of threes to begin with, that changes a lot of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the emphasis between you stay and and Natalie, even though they weren't like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like sharing notes, but when they address the media is again, trying to bring more consistency, like consistency from a possession to possession basis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think if there are less scoring droughts, if there are a lot of less like, you know, wild shots and errand passes,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think that'll enable them to be able to get back on defense, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the situation they're hoping that you stay could step into, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that if she can help them, you know, if they're putting the ball in the basket more, then that enables her to get back on defense, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think she can play within the structure, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Within the team defensive concept.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because yeah, right now, I mean, no one is going to say she's like some defensive

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a lot of the people, the same people who watch her will say that hey, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She definitely competes on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just a matter of, again, being focused and also being in the right position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is where not just because their familiarity is teammates, but I like the idea of leticia me here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see them be, I want to see if they can align, if now they can align their

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[SPEAKER_01]: not just this team's expactor, but I think she's underutilized, because I think she can as a big, she can truly defend at the point of attack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's actually been some of their great, like their best stretches so far in this young season, because that completely changes everything, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, if you're if she's initially picking up full court,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they switch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now, oh, okay, wow, you have Veronica now on you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't gain any advantage, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're the opponent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're in a line-up like that, if you say isn't a line-up like that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's kind of insulated, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where, you know, she doesn't really have to be on either end of that play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think there's reasons to still be optimistic, but I do think it is something that's going to have to, she'll have to work on over time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's rewind and go back to last week's games because they really took it to New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, we talked about, and I was like, you know, I really think that they could go out there and get both of these games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just how I felt how the team was playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they go out to New York and they get the first one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you know, they win almost by 20 points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a really good display.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like everything that works about their style of basketball was on high alert in that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did just fantastic all the way around and the idea of Stewie and John Quill Jones and Satu Sabali,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The factories were small, but they kind of use it to their advantage and they use their quickness and they use their ability to get out and get stops and then that sets up their offense on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think about the way that they played New York and

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[SPEAKER_00]: New York was without Ganesco who then came back and in the following game I believe, but You know, this was a I felt like they matched up well against New York last year as well and this year They I thought they just played a fantastic basketball game

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, again, I think they, while they scored the ball well, I think the game was still obviously won on the defense of end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And those first couple possessions that kind of felt out in New York, you know, they're like the first couple of sequence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had a couple, they had some

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, Kiestokes was like guarding, like, you know, defending, uh, John quail straight up and then, uh, VB would try to like provide a little bit of help and that was just enough time, you know, uh, for I think John quail to hit out, kick out to, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pauline STA, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she made like a, she knocked down a three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing happened again on the next place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So STA took it in for like a driving layup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they made some adjustments after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think specifically, what stood out to me in that game was that none of the New York players could really beat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Valkyrie is off the dribble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is again why I put the spotlight on a me here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Gabby Williams for that matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gabby Williams was essentially guarding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like 1 through 5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think sometimes that that phrasing is used a little too loosely like oh this player can guard 1 through 5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gabby in my opinion can like she truly can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think a me here can too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I mean you don't want a me here guarding like defending guards all 40 minutes, but I mean in any given possession she absolutely can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was a thing

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, a me here, uh, and Gabby, they took away John Quill and Stewie's face up game, like completely, completely, and to the point where, okay, fine, you want to post up, but they're not getting, they're not allowing them to post up early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what ended up happening was that the VALX were able to, whoever was like in the short corner, like the short corner defender, they could help late, you know, and so basically it's either like, you know, they're trying to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, get off like a contested hook shot or something like that, or it's like a late errand pass, you know, to the weak side, weak side corner of the weak side wing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the value is a perimeter defender is able to stay home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I really like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they can do that against a lot of teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, you know, Natalie, she gave a coach,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yes, in general, like for example, John Qual Jones and who else was there, Rebecca

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[SPEAKER_01]: All in, I think I'm trying to think of who came off the bench for the liberty, but you know, yes, there are more than capable of knocking down a corner three, but I mean like they need to legitimately spot up, they need to get there and get their feet set.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if the past doesn't come with them enough time to like, you know, really spot up and get things not going in and that's what they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They basically would like just completely help off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of whatever big was camped out in the corner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, these are things I think they can we produce, but I think the valks for what this roster is, and we've said it since like the preseason, they're very disproportionately wing-heavy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's that is where you really see them at their best, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The length, the lateral quickness, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, like, they're not conceding any,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like, you know, speed, advantages or vulnerabilities, you know, on the defensive end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so game two, that road trip, Valkyrie started out really well against Indiana and then kind of faltered there in the second half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a me here plays 11 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to, you know, Gabby's, Kiestokes played 23 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A me here was the, she, she got the lowest number of minutes in the entire game for the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I wonder, I mean, a lot of it had to simply be Aliabost and Aliabost had 16 rebounds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was also part of the problems.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just couldn't, if they got a stop,

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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of the times they couldn't get the rebound to get out and go and then they just couldn't get stops late as well and then their offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't work as well, you know, when they have to take it out of the basket and start it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what did you think about the Indiana game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what do you think was the main flaw in that game as to why they ended up losing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, again, give credit to Indiana, give credit to Caitlyn Clark, I mean, I think it might seem like a very obvious adjustment for the fever, but again, both her willingness and her ability to knock down shots in transition, you know, and from distance in transition, you know, is what really opened up the game for them because if I had to guess as to why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Natalie elected to go small a majority of the second half and definitely all the fourth quarter I think like that would be my guess is that they she wanted more speed She wanted like as much speed and length and lateral quickness you know to be able to defend in space to pick up Caitlyn Clark full court because you know once she like made like what two or three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of those pull-up threes, you know, in the third quarter when definitely when she tied the game, I think that's when Natalie, I kind of really pivoted and wanted to go away from our quote unquote traditional bigs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can make an argument that I mean, here's not even a traditional big to begin with, but you know what I'm saying, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like our our our our center rotation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like it was definitely a reaction, like, you know, it was a move to react to what was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't necessarily fault or, you know, say that was a bad move on now, the necocias part, but I would think that's why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's also why Kyle Charles got so much run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause again, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like overall, she and Veronica Burton, like they definitely have like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're probably the best at navigating screens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the team is in whole are pretty good, but they're the best in terms of being able to stick to their player and maintain gap and integrity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then, as you said, Alia Boston, Sergeant Cookin, again, that is Alia Boston's maturation right there as a player on display.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we saw it last season too in Caitlin Clark's absence,

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[SPEAKER_01]: how much of a load a Lea Boston could take on as like the initiator of plays, not just a score or play finisher, but again, to really be like the initiator of the pick and roll, her high post passing against the Valkyries on Friday was was fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she's basically finding cutters or finding anybody like, you know, streaking down the lane.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, while she was like, you know, out of the high post, up beyond the arc.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so that double game some trouble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I think that's why then Kia Stokes got some fourth quarter run, because as you were saying, right, I tried to put some size in there to try to drop the boards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, it was the second half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the fever definitely controlled the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of catch-up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot of again being reactive as opposed to proactive and I, you know, Natalie's definitely emphasized a lot, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to be more proactive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to try to, you know, do what they do best as opposed to trying to find ways to, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: play their opponent's style because that that that that point it's not going to win near the they're not going to be successful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know the lineup that you were talking about that small ball where they had jaw and Kayla Thornton is the two bigs in the lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once they did that I was like okay I need to really watch what they're going to do here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there were moments where I think jaw was like wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I the big here because she like didn't box out like the person, you know, the the big who is there and like I kind of wondered if because when I think somebody yesterday asked about it and Natalie said something to the effect of well no one was really the five they were both the five I don't know exactly what that means, but it did seem like there was some maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: from a positional standpoint, like, oh, what is my, what am I supposed to do in this situation?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I the five or am I the four?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this looked like a little bit of confusion in those moments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like kind of surprised that they, they, they, they went that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, this is definitely a lineup that, um, Natalie has been going to, I really

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, opening day, but I mean, she's been using in spurs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's been using a little bit more lately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, um, yes, I mean, for me, technically in my opinion, looking at how their position, both offensively and defensively, I would say jaws more the four KT is the five, but whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I asked Kayla Thorn about that, like I think two weeks ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said, you know, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: She believes that line up all five players can guard one through five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's that phrase again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, offensively, I definitely get what KT was saying that like, well, the offense, it's already, you know, I mean, it's a very reading react offense to begin with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And especially when they're in a five out formation, like everyone is capable of getting the same look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there is no real one, two, three, four, five in that specific lineup offensively, but defensively I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I would say that was probably the most like lost that jaws looked in a game in this in this young season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think yeah,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was a little bit late, you know, either recognizing who she should switch onto or when and where she should rotate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not, I'm not saying that it's her fault, but I think yeah, that line up

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, it's had like mixed mixed results.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna put that like nicely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think some people would say it's been more negative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it hasn't produced as much positive results as you would hope for giving how many minutes it's been used, but we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the thing about it is talking to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Joseph Dyke is about this just yesterday, Joseph Dyke is of the Bay Area news group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He works with Nathan Kennellow and the thing about these small ball lineups is again like I'm not sure that they're gaining enough advantage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now to be fair, if you're playing our five best players, they're probably five guards or five wings, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: even when they go, quote, small, they're not playing any faster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're supposed to be gaining some kind of advantage, playing all or you're supposed to be able to outrun or outrun your opponent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not really doing that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You do get that with a me here, though, because she could outrun every big on the court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing, like I, that's why I'm such an advocate of playing a me here in these lineups, because again, like I, she,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's people will say, well, Conrad, like a me here can't guard like the Asia Wilson's or the Alia Boston's in the post.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we can either way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even if you sit a me here who else is doing it, no offense, I want to make it clear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Kia Stokes has actually been solid, probably way more solid than people would make you believe, given like some of the criticism about her or sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of again, as you said, being able to play with more pace, being able to really switch, have everyone switch on the perimeter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think of me here's more capable of doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And on top of that, why are they not playing with more pace?

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[SPEAKER_01]: is because the ball always has to get back to either Gabby or VB's hands, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not enough players in that small ball lineup that are comfortable really pushing the pace in transition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a me here can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I have like I continue to like sing her praises and I think she should be there because that's what's giving them really those transition buckets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She does try to rebound and run too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I see her get the rebound and the guard kind of looks for the outland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just goes and like okay we're going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not scared to do that at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that's partially why I like Caitlin Chen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously Caitlin Chen, they were there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She and TIP were having success, um, you know, getting to the cup, um, you know, now he said just as much right there was a specific matchup or mismatch that they like and they kept spamming that one and we know what that matchup was, you know, um, I, I definitely, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: understand that rationale.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but going back to the kind of title it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I like some of us, you know, we're saying that I think there's an opportunity there for for you staying because it's the same thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have five players who are all capable of handling the ball and making quick reads and accurate passes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: been this small ball line up really works right we saw it okay again I know this is like the WNBA we don't like to always make comparisons then be a but yes I can't help but think of the warriors in the death line and that's part of what made them one of the many reasons that made that line up successful right and that's even like the pre Kevin Durant death line up right so I mean

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they need more players who are capable of doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, again, it might not be in her rookie year, but I think that's part of the appeal of you stay again, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of her ability to play off players like VBA and Gabby, you know, and now you have like multiple, you know, playmakers, you know, multiple people, multiple players who could do something, you know, off the dribble, but as a

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see I'm sure she's like Natalie is going to continue using it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see you know what adjustments they make to see if it can be any more efficient because especially

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though now he says, well, you know, there's no designated five in that lineup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: KT is the five in that lineup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so to have her doing that, coming off of her knee injury, I was really surprised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, could they really do this like during the during training camp?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And sure enough, they're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, you know, they're going to in spurts, but still like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know she definitely wants to prove that like she's she's back and that she is yeah, we'll have doing all these things but still I do think it might be a little bit taxing like a little bit too much for her handle so soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know right, but do you also think that it could possibly be that the injury in of itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's probably dealing with, you know, trying to get back to the same quickness that she was pre-injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you play her a little bit more closer to the basket and she doesn't have to really worry about getting out there and chasing the guards and stuff as much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's definitely something to that, you know, I was definitely kind of, you know, comments in the other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to make it clear, I do think Kaelathorn overall is having a good season, and especially if you do factor in that she's coming off of injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, last year, you know, a few remember like a lot of her highlights prior to, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: to her to her being out for the season, you know, getting injured for the season, you know, she was like our closer, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like you could make an argument, they're at least at least four or five games where she basically like won the game for the team in the fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of that was her just, you know, putting her head down, drop in the shoulder and like, you know, just bleed balling her way to the rim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a lot more difficult right now coming off of injury for do that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's got to get the reps underneath her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's got to get I'm sure as much as she rehab and I'm sure she rehabbed very hard to get back, you know, she's probably still not in the best condition that she was in last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's probably still building that up as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't have any like I watch her play and I go, okay, I still see the same intensity in the same focus and you know, you

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[SPEAKER_00]: on a fast break and right she can't be guarded getting to the cup like she's got the euro and she's got the finish like she looks good in that but yeah she's got to work up to the same conditioning that she was in last year by the way you mentioned Nathan shout out to Nathan

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[SPEAKER_00]: for getting on the uh the if we're being clear we all do content but the goat podcast feed for bay area hoops warriors plus minus he got to be in the valkyries uh Marcus Thompson did a valkyries podcast and uh Nathan was on it so that was really cool hearing him on that so check it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's now fast forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Connecticut game tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's focus a little bit more on the scene to get a rematch because man there there was lots of fire in that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure if you are team Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're thinking, you know, Caitlyn's probably running her mouth a little bit Caitlyn Clark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're team Indiana fever, you're probably thinking to pay's running her mouth a little bit too much, but there was there was such a tremendous competitiveness going with both of those teams on that night in Indiana, you know, Indiana gets out and in that second half and and keeps their lead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine that, you know, just because the Valkyries played Indiana so well last year, there's some stuff that I'm sure Natalie saw on tape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure the players saw where they could kind of clean up and close better at home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have to get it off to a good start too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing that you had mentioned earlier in this podcast about New York, New York's inability

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[SPEAKER_00]: Indiana can actually do that because they have to they have Kelsey Mitchell who actually didn't have a great game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just lived at the Freethel line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have Caitlyn because Caitlyn can shoot so deep so it pulls the defenders out a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good anecdote or not anecdote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good, what am I trying to say?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good defense against what the Valkyries do really well is when you have those two

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very interested to see kind of the chess match that goes on for this second game and also I mean, we have to call it out, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like tip haze was on social media, having fun with fans, some people took it a little bit out of context to mean that she was hoping for violence against Caitlyn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you can really read that though if I would have

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[SPEAKER_00]: told tip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe shouldn't have made that comment to the fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be some stuff going on in that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I imagine if we know who like we know who it probably starts pretty early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I imagine the the chatter with with Caitlin being so vocally aggressive tips.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No fool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not going to take it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine the, you know, kind of the aggressiveness is going to start early in in that game on Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's a fair assumption.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we spoke to, who do we speak to yesterday, other than Natalie?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we just spoke to you, stay in Nginel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you say could only talk about what she experienced, you know, like, for revenge and, you know, in the huddles and everything like that, but for, for, jaw, I mean, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That at least for jaw and I think she feels comfortable speaking on behalf of some of her teammates right I mean like that is if that's the type of tone or you know like setting you want to create early in the game like I think they are more than capable and comfortable playing in those types of conditions out again they're not going to go out trying to you know like you said like like intentionally heard anyone yeah but I mean you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a type of game like I mean, I felt the game on Friday was a little too choppy, you know, with all the foul calls, but in a, in a grinded out game, more often than not, I mean, that is the type of game that the bell agrees have a lot of success and that's not a guaranteed win, but there are more comfortable playing that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You call that, you know, sometimes they muck it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They muck up the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're able to do that sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: isn't just, again, deflections, blocks, steals, and everything like that, it can be like you said, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the kind of psychological aspect of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, they may have walked out with the win, but I mean, they definitely acknowledged that there was a lot of chippingist day being the Indiana fever players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I know, I mean, I think given that the two games are so close to each other, I think it definitely will be,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, something to an extent, something on on their mind now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do they handle it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where again, all the coaches, Natalie, all them Stephanie White have been advocating all season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think a lot of Natalie, I think is a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: um diplomatic and with uh describing the officiating you know she she'll continue to say well okay this is this is what the league told us how they wanted to officiate so okay we're gonna abide by the rules but you know I think a lot of coaches have been critical but specifically in terms of again if they're calling to try to

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[SPEAKER_01]: get their point across without getting fined, you know, a lot of coaches the way they're phrasing it is, officiate the game so that you protect the players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, if this game is as chippy as we expected, or we think it could potentially be early, I think it's definitely on its on the onus of the refs to be able to, you know, kind of control that, manage it, nipping the butt, whatever, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because on the on on the flip side, I mean, there's a lot of, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a lot of veterans on the fever who, again, are also comfortable playing, you know, that style, you know, no particular order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know Myisha Heinz Allen has always been very bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's part of her reputation is, you know, standing up for her teammates, you know, legitimately standing up, not just, you know, um, I mean, she definitely with her words, but obviously like she has no problem, you know, like getting in there, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Sophie Cunningham as you know, I suppose is like kind of quote unquote an English author.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, she she may do it with a smile on her face, but I mean, you know, she's she's definitely clear like capable of

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[SPEAKER_01]: playing physical, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it is curious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they definitely like they being the Velocities, they don't want it to be what is the overwhelming, like, narrative,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think they because like right now, they just want to stack wins, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, of course, of course, like they'd be happy, you know, like it's, you know, given that the fever are projected to be, you know, whatever, like a title, a potential title favorite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it would definitely be a statement win, but I mean, it's like what now they said yesterday of practice, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, right now, a win against, whatever, Connecticut and a win against Indiana just counts the same in the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the one thing, and this is me speaking as podcast, or maybe this is a hot take or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I'm not speaking for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can even decline to comment on this if you want, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: there is something to how much you let someone get away with the amount of trash talking or the amount of aggressiveness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we see that with the warriors and dream on green.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dream on green will do some things to agitate the other team to where you see people wanting to swing on this man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it doesn't usually intensify to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dream on Green will get caught for doing silly things, like grab it a man's foot and tripping him, just out of, you know, out of pure frustration or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, because these dudes are giant dudes and, you know, they understand what their job is to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It usually doesn't escalate into out now brawls, though we have seen that in the NBA this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there were some scenarios that kind of got out of hand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am predicting this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to speak it into existence, but at some point,

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[SPEAKER_00]: with the physicality that is allowed to happen and with the chirping that is allowed to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some's gonna happen in a game against the Indiana fever where somebody's gonna get very upset and there's gonna be a hard foul, there's gonna be a swipe, there's gonna be maybe even more than just a double tech kind of situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I hope is that, A,

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[SPEAKER_00]: what you said about the refs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope they know enough and how to de-escalate those scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As far as I know, and I'm not a WMBA historian, there has not been a malice in the palace kind of scenario from what I understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two, I hope the league and of itself,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The WBA is all over television and streaming right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are more games on television than there have ever been before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's never been a shinier light shown on this league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope they know how to act if something was to happen, you know, where Caitlyn gets in a fight or whatever because of the political discourse surrounding the WNBA and sometimes Caitlyn as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope the commissioner knows like has a plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If this happens, we already know what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If this happens, we know what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because I didn't think that there was going to be a fight on Thursday, but it would not have surprised me if it had escalated that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you have these same two teams coming back six days later, and I'm not sure the frustration is gone from that game necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's just my own, that's my own sort of, you know, get on a pedestal and talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just hope that they're ready for something to happen in case that it does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, definitely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't agree more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, and it's not just specifically this upcoming matchup, but as you said, kind of league-wide, and it's not completely far off from what a lot of the players, especially in the players association, have been saying, I mean, the acknowledge that this is still a, you know, a star-driven league, you know, a fans

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you want your favorite players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you want everyone to be healthy, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you want everyone to be able to to compete at the best of their abilities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, you need to kind of ensure at least create an environment from the onset that gives them the best possible chance to to be healthy and to just kind of compete, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm with you in terms of

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[SPEAKER_01]: whether that be the refs having to set the tone early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the WNBA players, the fans, they pride themselves on it being a physical league and it is, you know, but at the same time, it can't be reckless, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I do think that the refs do need to be more meticulous in how they appreciate these games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also, as you just said, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think like the players, you have to also protect yourselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it's like similar to like boxing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta protect yourselves at all times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you put your hands down, Floyd Mayweather may punch you in the face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's, here's what I want to say, because there are people in the chat who think that I'm just solely blaming Katelyn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a Katelyn Clark fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Part of my fandom of the WNBA comes from a lot of the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlin Clark playing in college and a lot of the hype that she was getting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I started to kind of look into her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a Hulu documentary better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like Caitlin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dream on greens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of my favorite players of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet I could still say, you know, you need to be kicking people in the nuts, you know, consistently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is not just me begging on Caitlin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the I just sense I'm seeing some things bubbling and yet tip tip was involved like tip tip has her own way of handling those scenarios.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want that because I know people are thinking that I'm picking on Caitlyn, where I've Alkory's podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am it ultimately it brings a lot of hype for this second game at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that game is

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[SPEAKER_00]: I cannot wait for that game like I'm looking forward to Connecticut, but man in the end of Golden State part two is like musty TV and some of it is because of the things that happened in that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you have been fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really appreciate you coming back and doing these two shows in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brian is is out this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you helped fill in and you were at practice yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you were on the beat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You were there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got some great quotes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Follow Canrado.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on Twitter and you can see all that stuff give you, you've got video up there, you've got very quickly having like the quotes and stuff, you know, it's pretty amazing how quickly you can get that stuff up, you know, and it just after talking to these folks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, great job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I actually, I've been loving it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you acknowledge it because, uh, some of like the senior media members pointed that out too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, my god,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're like, Natalie just said that, how'd you get it out so fast?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, exactly exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a great service, like, you know, for those of us who want to be as close to this team as possible, to have someone like you who's out there and you're like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of know what people are interested in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to focus on this and I'm going to tweet this out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's been lots of you stay covered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like what we know about you stay right now before she even steps on the court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of that has been during you, you know, your practice stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm much appreciated, and this adds to the fun and the fandom with when you can get that access.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're not there, I'm not there at practice, but I'm as close as can be because you are there and you are tweeting out the things that I'm really interested in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Kudos to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My pleasure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for all following.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so I'll have Conrados Twitter in the in the show notes, but go ahead and give it out for folks who haven't followed you yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As always, you could follow me on Twitter at CP3 under score 777 and at the top of my profile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll see the links to all the, you know, media entities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm involved with, but specifically for Valcarease coverage,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the podium finish dot net.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that that's the company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do Valks and WNBA coverage for so have a couple articles out already and have a couple on the way soon, you know, about some of your favorite players, Janelle actually jack a lenga has got one coming up and actually

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we cover all WNBA teams all have a couple too on, um, you know, some of the, the UCLA, the championship UCLA Bruins, who are now, um, you know, making their mark in the WNBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And don't think I haven't seen the recent AZFUD tweet that came from you yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been, I saw those as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, number one picked for a reason, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alrighty, thanks to Konrado, for Konrado, I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you piece out.