Jung Hoo Lee Is Heating Up, the Giants All-Star Debate & Grading Tony Vitello | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's top to the Clark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're back talking giant to baseball and for the first time in a little while, it's not completely sad and negative little bit of optimism going on and you and I were texting and yesterday after they won they they eaked one out against the cubs in like almost like a mirror game from the game before that they lost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I chose to look at this week as a 4 and 3 week against two really good teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, but don't forget about the Rockies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, I don't counting, losing two out of three in Colorado.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not counting that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm only counting what I thought was going to possibly be like a 1 and 6 road trip against two good baseball teams, though I have a friend who's come to fan and he's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we have a good record, but we're so inconsistent and I said, yeah, and what really sucks is the team that's ahead of you is like a really consistent team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're up and down and then the brewers are just like metronome, just like you can just count on them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to go for and three against those two teams in the week, I think was a real, real positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it's fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's this is like a bipolar week even even then the judge lose the first two games 24 to five

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's a one to zero game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the last two games, three to two, two to one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the middle, they outscore the cubs in the brewers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 30 to 12.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I was like, in two games, I was like, this team, you know, talk about inconsistency, but, well, yeah, I was gonna say, you just talked about consistent, the brewers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've talked about all season long, how this team is just,

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[SPEAKER_00]: inconsistent that's why that's why their record is what it is because they're they just can't

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you hit, you can't pitch, you pitch, you can't hit, and you know, so to lose the first two games to the Rockies and then go, hey, we're going to play, we're going to play record or agami, you lose the first two games and then you go five and three on the rest of the trip, that's kind of a boost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic for this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think just because they were in and could have gone six and two had, if they.

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[SPEAKER_00]: had a closer, but, you know, someday, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the bullpen, we're, we're going to do a thing where we kind of grade Tony Vetello later in the show and more and more, like if you, as you know, the season is not over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you if you look back at the beginning of the season, you go, okay, what's one thing that they could have done, that wouldn't have cost them a lot of money, that would have really affected the space quality minute would have been getting a one or two veteran arms for the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, could you have found a closer on the cheap?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't probably not, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just have more, you throw more darts at the dartboard and some of my Dylan Smith gets the save yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do I expect Dylan Smith to lock down 30 games between now and the end of season?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, of course not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's that even Vatelo, he called his bullpen process organized chaos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you really want to say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're the guy who's running the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Should anything be organized chaos?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, you know, if they had like one dependable arm in the bullpen, a Tyler Rogers type arm in the bullpen, you're probably flipping a handful of games here that they eventually would go on to lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And let's say, you know, you have Carson, wasn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll talk about Carson, wasn't in a little bit, but you had another young arm and you could push.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Molly, or, or, or how's her to being a semi starter or a longer arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe you pick up another couple of games there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And instead of being, what are the 12 games under 500 or something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you're like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: six or seven and it's not gloom and doom and you wait for this offense to pick up and wake up which it has and then all of a sudden your fanbase is like okay it was just a rough start we're starting to hit things are looking good but still down you know 12 games under 500 or whatever whatever it's still doesn't look great but it looks better it just gives me more

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look at it like that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's probably six games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could easily point to this season that the bullpen blue, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you take those six games in your 12 games under 500, those six of those losses turns into wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And vice versa, and now you're a 500 club.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then this team is, you know, instead of what what are the eight games back of the wild card right now, maybe they're four games back of the wild card, things sort of a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking wild card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But still, I mean, then you have something a little bit more to fight for and then maybe the trade deadline talks are a little bit different than they are now right now they're pretty heavy on the cell side, which they should be because this team does not have unless they want to go out and get a closer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: today, I'm not talking about the trade deadline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to go out and somehow get a closer today and then get an eighth inning guy today, then you're fighting, but if not, I think this is a selling team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, six games here or there, I can point to six games, no problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can look at the schedule and tell you those six games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a 500 club right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the can be our put up the stat, which I found pretty interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the giants are third right now in batting average in the majors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are first in overall hits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are tied for second

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that kind of tells you that really, you know, even though the bats finally came around and some of this is kind of like William Domus has seasoned last year where it kind of all is in the last month or whatever, it's in a small group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it just tells you,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that the pitching is the problem just you know as much or more so than the hitting now does the hitting even out you know do they kind of come back to earth maybe so but

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you had had the pitching in the beginning to kind of like protect the hitting, you know, the hitting is not going to be great early on, like let's say we can go back and time and you know, we can be Marty McFly and go, hey guys, the hitting is going to be terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So focus on the pitching and get through the first two months, the season and then the hitting comes alive, you know, you can't look at baseball like that, but it wasn't I didn't feel like we were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Sarah's to say, this bullpen looks really bad to start the season, which we said, and you know, you kind of are always optimistic in the beginning of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, okay, well, what if this person, you know, is really good?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What if a keeping win actually locks down the closer role?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like all those, what ifs?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we all thought like there was a great possibility that this bullpen was just going to be bad too, and that's what happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the that's the toughest part, too, because this team for the last three or four years really, really had a lot of pride in the bullpen back into the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, we, they were struggling with Ryan Walker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were struggling with Camilla D'Oval.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the guys around them, especially in 2021, seem to kind of gel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and you knew roles, there is no, what did you call it, controlled chaos?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, organized chaos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Organized, it's not even organized.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even use organized.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, but that's fine, whatever you want to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, but yeah, I, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't, there wasn't any of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just kind of like, you knew your role, you knew where you were coming in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every once in a while Tyler Rodgers would make an appearance as a closer, for the most part, he'd be your 7th or 8th ending guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it would be nice to get back to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been nice to have started the season that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they put a little too much into Henkis, little too much into Foley to say these guys will be ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just way too late for either of those guys to really, really make a contribution.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And plus they're coming off of injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the hard part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then to say Ryan Walker was your closer,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we saw that experiment and we had a little faith in spring training that maybe this is going to work out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just didn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now they're in their situation they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even if this team gets serious, and the offense is scoring eight or nine runs a game,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the starters, you know, start getting their ERA down in the three and a half, to under three to two nines and have some really, really good outings in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you put all that together, there still isn't that

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[SPEAKER_00]: late game faith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't get to the end of the game and go, I feel comfortable now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a 5-3 lead in Colorado.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we can do this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't feel that way at all and I think that's just going to be that way for a long time, unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what happens is tonight, we won't know what happens in tonight's game or record them for the game starts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Washington

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Vitello really went for those last two games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, I am managing this thing like it's a big game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So much so that he burned his DH in both both games, the last two games for pinch running.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's shows that he's, he's going for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying to win the game at that moment and saying, you know, we'll deal with the rest of it when we get there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what happens is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have any arms left to help out today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like Logan Webb's got to throw 95 to 100 pitches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if that only gets him through the fifth inning, you know, that's going to be really tough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We may see some, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: position players having to throw, but I'm hopeful that, you know, Logan Web through really good game his last time out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hopeful that he brings that to the table again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you do give the bullpen a lift or break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause, you know, he knows the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He knows it's been his job to do that for the last several years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's part of the strategy too, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you know you have Logan next, you're like, okay, we can actually burn an arm here because we know Logan's gonna go six or seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't need to worry about getting through four, five, six with the bullpin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I hope that that is the case in that they don't have to stretch any bullpin arms because that means that Logan pitch a good game today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm kind of shocked because today it would be the perfect day to have made some of those, you know, bullpen shuttle moves, right, bring a couple of guys up, get a couple of fresh arms, um, and especially because of the travel, because of the absolute bullsnott schedule that we had to

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[SPEAKER_00]: fly home and get home at 3 a.m. today to play a 6.45 game tonight at our time and then Logan Webb I apparently get home yesterday already ahead of the team but to do all that and to have some fresh arms that you could have just

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[SPEAKER_00]: shipped over from Sacramento and said boom, here's a couple of fresh arms for tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about so that's one of the more shocking moves for me, but I'm sure there's something behind it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's a reason there's guys that probably couldn't come and couldn't make it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what the other thing too is I didn't look at Sacramento schedule so they could be in Oklahoma for all

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the thing about Foley is that they had to stop him, I guess he's got some shoulder fatigue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because he's on his way back and he's on his way up and he's a guy like you just said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that they are banking on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so hopefully it's just a hurdle that he's got to get through just part of the process.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not something where he has a setback because they could use him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could use a lot of people right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and he's got closer experience too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of the thing is the giants need right now anybody who's got closer experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe they can call Sergio Romo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, would he would surge?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You think surge could hit 80 on the gun right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Love the guy, but remember when he came back a couple of years ago, and what was it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Two?

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[SPEAKER_00]: two years ago may bring training, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remembering training in the last year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it was last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he tried to throw in a spring training game and it didn't go well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't go well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, he got to go out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, in his giant uniform or whatever, and be kind of like he can throw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: While he's going to say, you know, who could probably throw in the 70s and still get a left hand or two out is how he Lopez.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hell yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet he throws in the 80s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet he could.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet he could work his way up there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's not going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so some of the good things that happened during this, uh, I'll call it a four and three week, even though it was a five and five road trip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, technically it was a four from Monday to Monday, technically it was a four and three weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this the real,

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[SPEAKER_01]: jung huli and I don't mean hit in 500 or whatever, but do you sense that he has figured some things out and he's going to be more consistent or is this just a guy on a hot streak and he probably is going to come back to being a 270 hit or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm all on board, I think he's figured it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's figured something out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because he's brain the ball all over the field, when he was struggling for earlier this year, and then when he was struggling at points last year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a pull-hitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was pulling the ball and everything that was on the outside corner of the plate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was rolling over to second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he's spraying that between third and short and getting hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he's dumping it over short stops ahead and getting hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think him using the field and deciding, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to be a power guy because I think coming over here, I don't remember the very first spring training.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got a couple

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he's maybe we got a power guy, and I think it's possible that got into his head a little bit and he decided like, yeah, I can be a power guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think now his approach, he's still just strike out here and there and he's stealing some bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got two stone bases in the last week, because I think I heard on the broadcast the other day that they're going to give him,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they're going to try to send them a little bit more, but I think this is the hitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, he's hitting, you know, way over his head right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: During his hit streak, I think he was hit like for 50 now, for 60, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he's a guy who's capable of some hit streaks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be Luis Arise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I think he's going to be looserized with a little bit more power, maybe a little less hits, and then those storm bases and and the defense and right field has been fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, yeah, I think I think I think we're finally getting the the money value for junk who lead that we thought we were going

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, if this is the jungle Lee or at least somewhat close to this, then you go back to Farhan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You go, hey, man, maybe you did see something that we hadn't seen yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the thing that fully has to happen, though, I think he's got a couple of stolen bases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, he's just got to run more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care if he gets thrown out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to see him be aggressive

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[SPEAKER_01]: the the giant's offense, it can get so based to base sometimes and if they're not hitting home runs, then they may hit into a handful of double plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he is a spark in that way, I think that's going to be so beneficial for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, again, he doesn't have to be, you know, 38 out of 39 stolen based tries, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can he can get thrown out a couple times long as he doesn't get hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 75% would be great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to see more attempts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to see, you know, when me and the boys are playing the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're a hack in the game is just stolen base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like so hard to throw out runners, but even if we're not trying to run, because the game is not great for the defense in stolen bases, even if it's a slow person, you kind of take a couple of lead off just because the pitcher's thinking about it, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then it kind of throws them off a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing in real baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Jung who is a threat to steel,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then the pitcher's got to think twice, just can't get in his rhythm of, okay, coming to a stop, throw, coming to a stop, throw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to do a couple of checks over your left shoulder to make sure that he stays there, you know, you want to hear the first space and go, okay, he's getting off a little bit, you know, like just those things because then then the pitcher's got to think about you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would love to see more of that from him, especially because he's getting on

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[SPEAKER_00]: him and a rise of stealing bases to Chapman's fast and he's getting on base again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Casey Schmidt is stealing bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to have all those guys being able to run is I think just

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like you said, you got to put pressure on the defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to force them to make plays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was listening to a radio broadcast of the game on Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't remember who was on second base, but FPs and Tangela said, you know, I'd love to see him, you know, with

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[SPEAKER_00]: with one out, try to steal third here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because now you've got pressure on the catcher to make a good throw, he throws it in a left field, no big loss of something happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The game was tied.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought, okay, I get that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like that idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Bob Melvin did not like to do that because he said a couple times in interviews, you know, in post games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He basically said, I don't like to steal when we're not scoring runs because those runners are valuable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they're valuable, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not getting driven in anyways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a thing they're not valuable at first base because you're going to ground into a double play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many times have we seen that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like put that runner in motion, put the ball in play, make them make a play, make the make the base runner make a decision with a runner in motion going from first to second in the ground ball the second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I have time to go to second and then

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they make the play at a first.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, make them make a decision and possibly throw it away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah, and we've tied, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've talked about this tour, Blue and the face, that we want to see more athleticism.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to see more go out of the giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we're starting to kind of see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Vitalis is getting a little more comfortable with that, which is kind of nice too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we don't want to...

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[SPEAKER_01]: put the cart before the horse here because they still only have 18 stolen bases as a team, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've only been thrown out seven times, but they're overall attempts, 25 attempts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is how many times the marlins have been thrown out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have 76 stolen bases and they've been thrown out in 25 times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have like a hundred attempts in the giants of 25 attempts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of ugly, but let's take a look.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to, let's go to, let's go to fan graphs because fan graphs is fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like fan graphs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to like May 18th, a couple of weeks ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's see where the giants are in stolen bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you think they are?

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[SPEAKER_00]: In stolen bases in the last, let's say, two weeks in the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you think they are?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They probably have more than half of their stolen bases in the last two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say they're probably in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're 25th with six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's move that up one week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to May 25th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're looking at like two weeks here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Giants are 21st with six stolen bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to June 1st.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we got a full week over the last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, where are we?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 seconds with three stone bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we're running a little bit more, but yeah, we want to see more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm excited to actually, it's been a long time since we've gone into a series like starting tonight and home against Washington where we're like, ooh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we get to see where this team is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because when we went into Washington last time, a couple months ago, didn't we come out of there with the series when I think we did?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we've been because the team hadn't been playing very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the singular players were having off-years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've been talking about, okay, Giants are going to get one all star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every team has to get one all star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, and who was it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, well, it's got to be Casey Schmidt because he's got the power and he's got the average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the kind of the run producer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then you have a rise who's just as steady as all steady and is sitting in the 320s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all of a sudden, coming out of nowhere,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jung Hulie now hidden in the three 20s as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who would be your pick for all star for the giants?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, I think it's gotta be, I think it's gotta be Casey, honestly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because of the home runs,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's look at where he is compared to everybody else and I mean, he leads the team in home runs 15 to 11.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Adamus has is next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: RBI for the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got 38 Chapman is next with 33.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing he doesn't really do is walk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he does lead the team and so on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's so funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Plugging percentage aspect, he also leads the team and slugging percentage and OPS.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, if you look at my guess, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a rise has got five stolen bases, also.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And three, 23, 2.4 war.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the only giant in the top 20 in war.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have thought Casey Schmidt was in the top 20.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in war over the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, still looking for Casey Schmidt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in the top like 90 now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not seeing him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's awesome about a rise?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't think teams and, you know, especially the analytic driven teams care as much about this as you and I used to care, but 15 walks to 12 strikeouts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is, that's one of those when you go to Tony Gwyn's baseball reference side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one of those things you marvel at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you look and see like, how many,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, how many times did, did Tony Quinn strike out in a season and you look, and you got 500 at bat, 600 at bats and the guy struck out like 20 times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that just blows your mind when you look at that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's got the best walk rate on the team is a big sexy Bryce Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Elder just just, I mean, his eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the one thing with the Elderge, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We kept thinking, you know, if he could just get his eye dialed in, he was gonna be perfect for the majors and he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The power's not quite there yet, but the eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's taking pitches on the outside corner from lefties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that I would have swung at easily because you're you're fooled and then and then to see Casey Schmidt doing that same thing from the other side to see both of those guys with an eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you look at our walk percentage as a team and you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys are getting better with walk percentage, but we're we're still in the bottom like three of the league when it comes to walk percentage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, L. Dridge with his 11 walks has more walks in so many less at bats than

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Casey Schmidt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I think he's good Lord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he now, now look at the walk percentage since May 1st.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go since May 1st.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're June 8th, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Giants walk percentage is 6%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's come up 1% on the season that was before that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're threatening to get out of the basement their dead last still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Minnesota is 6.9% just above them since May 1st.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you cut that down and you go, let's say, May 18th to now, the giants are actually 27th in walk percentage, which is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's an improvement because they've been dead last all season long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've been complaining about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you got to get guys on base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to hit own runs or you're going to hit doubles, it's nice to have guys on base when you're doing that instead of just hitting a base is empty double with two outs and you're all okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We could add two guys on, driven in some runs, be up to nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes a huge difference, especially for starting pitching when they're not having to to toe the line and be perfect all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I grew with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd go casey Schminus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but it is nice to see both of those other guys there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, if a Domus didn't start so poorly and defensively still not fantastic, when he started so poorly, if he gets that average closer to 26270, his power numbers are or solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would help for him too for his case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We mentioned Carson

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[SPEAKER_01]: is because I said to you on one of our last shows, like, who would you rather have starting these games?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Malay or her house or Carson with an angelic, of course, Carson with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so our good buddy, well, I say good buddy, but he was on our podcast like one time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roger Monterey, who's got his sub-stack where he covers the farm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's our buddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He could be our buddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wrote about Wizz and Hunt who had a pretty good game the other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was yesterday actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It knows Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the interesting thing about his game is that he had a ton of swing and misses,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think he's going to be able to do that in the big leagues and I wonder

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why, you know, you kind of wonder if you were to ask Buster like what would be Buster's reasoning for wasn't still being in AAA because he's he's done pretty much all he can do in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it Buster would probably say well, he needs to really, really have great control that fast because it's in the, you know, it's in the low 90sish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that change up is so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that he's getting so many swings and misses on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, Hesus Rodriguez was catching the students dropping these changeups because these hitters are swinging so hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, it's hitting his glove and his drop and he's got to pick it up in the middle of the first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, man, I wonder if it's just hard to catch as well, like that changeup has got some juice on it or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, that's the one thing you're just like, oh, man, like this pitch looks so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you worry that he gets to the bigs and then he's got to throw more fastballs because big league hitters are gonna be able to see that change up a little bit a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, if he only had like two miles an hour more in his basketball, he'd probably be, you know, just in the rotation today, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So after I was reading Roger's piece on it, I was like, yep, that's probably why is he, you know, he's not even really trusting the fastball at that level, but he's getting so many swing and misses on the change up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think if you become a Maddox type of pitcher with that combination and he doesn't throw a slow as Maddox and he doesn't have the movement Maddox does, but again, the change of his nasty it's one of the nasty speeches in the minors, I think if you if you have a good pitch combo and you're calling a good game, I don't think it matters in terms of speed of your fastball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I think that the knock on him for a while too was that he didn't have that third pitch, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, and wasn't he trying to develop a slider I believe?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm trying to figure out because I read the thing, but I think I only saw fastball and and change up discussion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I'm wondering, I wonder if he's still dominant with two pitches and not not quite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Roger did write that

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[SPEAKER_01]: He picked up an astonishing 15 swinging strike so the change up alone and another six with this breaking ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that must be the slider.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cause I think that's what he was trying to really dial in because you can't be a starter in the majors with two pitches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm less of your misarrowsky, music.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you can throw 103 and you don't have to throw anything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the giants hired Gary Pettis, like we had talked about last week and he came in and all of a sudden they just scored like 30 runs and just were on fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't continue that, but you know, it's it's cool that they, you know, the one thing and now somebody told me this

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Vatelo, you know, Vatelo wanted his guys and that's what you get when you're the when you're the guy you get to pick your your coaches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm glad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that Vatela was open to making that move now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe Buster was like, dude, like you need to, you need to do this and, you know, who knows how that conversation happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm glad that Gary is on the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gary's a baseball, life her, he was on Dusty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's really close to Dusty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's on Dusty's, he was on Dusty's world series team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The was at 2022 Astros is that when they won the title,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have it's gosh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember the exact here, but yeah, and you know the thing about Gary is I think he

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[SPEAKER_01]: had hoped, you know, thought maybe he was going to get a managerial spot, but it never happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he's he is a little bit on the the older side when it comes to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, hopefully this this can kind of put maybe he does get a shot at at some point to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you have Ron Washington, you have Gary Pettis, these guys are gamers and these guys are smart

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, maybe we'll get some more Gary mad magic on this homestand and the giants can put in some double digits though, you know, and when they won that game, my cubs fan buddy texted me and he was like, oh my god, and I was like, don't worry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're scoring like one and two runs these next two games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was three and two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And don't forget, Gary Pettis was also when Ron Washington was a manager in Texas from 2007 to 2014, Gary Pettis was on his staff as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was on the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like to mention it, the losing end of the world's series in 2010 with the Texas Rangers as they lost in six games to the San Francisco Giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just want to put that out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, love the guy, but the Giants won the 2010 World Series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those guys probably have nightmares of Tim ones coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we have happy memories of letting Tim smoke and let him throw smoke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's end this with these last two two little small things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to get your thoughts on Vatelo so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we are three months into the season and I was more negative than you were when it came to some of the stuff that he was saying, I didn't think it made a whole lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't it didn't feel like

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[SPEAKER_01]: leadership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't feel like I know what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, he's admitted that it's a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am pulling back on some of that because I like some of these things that he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He I don't know what I feel about because we had been asking, you know, I've been asking like we got to just get Schmidt to play every day and some he's got to be playing some third base and Vatels like nope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chapman's my guy and so he's been really stubborn about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chapman, Adamus, Devours, those are my guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They they deserve the opportunity to play themselves out of the funk and I wouldn't say it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: 100% work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Devers is going to strike out 200 times this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but he's also the highest paid player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can't, there's not really anything you can do Chapman is starting to, you know, Chapman leads a team in walks, his batting averages up to 240, which is kind of what it's always going to be the only thing he's missing is the power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he did that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He kept the faith of those dudes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure they really liked that that he wasn't going to be so reactive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we wanted maybe in some cases, and I do like the fact that he went into Chicago, and he was like, man, we just beat the Brewers who are probably going to be competing with the Dodgers to go to the World Series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'll be my guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just took two games from them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We wiped out Chicago and game three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going for game four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try and win this game as hard as humanly possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now they didn't win it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Keaton win gives up the home run to PCA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's the, I think it was a Michael Bush base hit and Barracoto can't field it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They would have had runners on 1st and 3rd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you get a double play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you get out of it who knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but they come back on yesterday and they go out and they win that game very similarly again pinch running for Eldridge to try and, you know, get that extra run and opening up the fact that you lose the DH spot when you pinch run for Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's going out there and trying to win those games and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was the way that you needed to do it because your team has finally jumped on a nice little run and you want to continue that as much as possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't get that game Saturday, but they got Sunday, maybe they get some momentum coming into this homestand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I look at something like that and I was like, okay, that is going for it and I really,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they could have easily rolled over Sunday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got a game, you, again, talked about 730 PM Chicago time and the Giants play less than 24 hours later, our time in San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the team could have easily just said, man,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They could have lingered on the loss from Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They could have looked at that and said, this is not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't going well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The trip isn't going to end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just want to get home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to get home, sleep on my own bed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's sleep walk through this game, get back home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we've seen this team sleep walk through games early or season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the way they played Saturday night,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, quite a few mind-drive double plays, which was fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a little bit a lot and that's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the fact that the capitalized on it and the guy has been struggling for for for for so long at the beginning of the season for Matt Chapman to get the the game winning RBI, they don't do that stat anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't love that because it was clutch, but yeah, it wasn't also a little bit of luck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to come up with somebody on third or second, yeah, whatever it was, but for Chapman to get the game winning RBI and then the pitching performance from Dylan Smith in the bottom of the 10th inning after PCA steals third base and you got to run it at third with one out and you're like, well,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're probably going to the 11th and this is going to go longer and for him to not up and just get those outs, those two outs and get out of there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, gutsy, gutsy win by the giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw somebody post on social media that said ugly win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought ugly win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was, you don't have, when you're the Giants number one, you don't have ugly wins, you got wins, and to get that win, I thought that was the gutsy as one of the gutsy as wins, I've seen out of this team all season long, so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you rate him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're 12 games under 500, so it's not like he can get an A or a B.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we've also mentioned how flawed this roster is, especially when it comes to the back end of the bullpin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have, they don't have reliable guys that you can just turn the game over to and go, okay, we got this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just have to get to the eighth and we're good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know that Ryan Walker may end up coming back up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want that guy pitch in, you know, 8th or 9th inning games, you know, that he shown that that is not his, his strength, you've mentioned, you mentioned Henkis, Keaton win and Caleb Killing have kind of been there all year long trying to figure it out in this organized chaos bullpen, maybe fully comes in and helps, maybe Dylan Smith comes in and helps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it still doesn't look like there's a guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a bunch

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[SPEAKER_01]: could there have been things that Vatelo could have done, maybe?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know, how would you grade him so far this year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would go a strong C plus, and because when you think about this roster, you do think about the offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, when you think about this roster at the beginning of the season, you think about Adomas and Davers and Eldres is going to come up and

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you figure it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You figure a first-time manager who's never managed in the majors, never managed anywhere in Major League organized baseball before, he's going to accidentally win some games, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to be at this point of the season, I mean, hell, if you put me out there, I could accidentally win some games with a roster that could, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to make a couple of moves and I'm going to second guess myself, they're not going to listen to me because I've

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think because Buster Handpick this guy, I think the team was on board from the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that helped a little bit, but I'm still going to give him a strong C plus almost to be minus because of the fact that they are only at this point 12 games under 500 and a first time manager with the struggles that we've seen again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not Raphael Devers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going up there hitting at the plate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Devers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's on Devers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bader has been a problem only because he's not on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Bader's problem has been injured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, not his fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you do sign this guy for two years to be on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't missed a lot of games in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Vitalo do what he's done and when they basically not exist in bullpen, um, some guys have, like he said, some guys have shown up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to do what he's done and be 12 games on her 500 and then gut out this 10 game road trip, uh, the way they did at the end, I, I, I like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I'm going to go a C plus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: C, C plus I think is solid and that's what I was thinking to I think some of my frustration with him still was kind of how he came into the season where he's literally done nothing on the Major League Baseball field and starts barking at reporters because he didn't he wasn't able to tell his players that he was leaving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like dude, you should've done it earlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the media is the media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they got you that welcome to the big leagues buddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's learned a lot, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he has, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the lineup tweaks, some of the frustration with the fan base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh he is still kind of an uh internet dandy in a sense with them with certain parts of the media because he's just a bro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just looks like a bro and he's got the bro and he'll go on somebody's podcast and he just seems so kind of good natured and and casual and you know he's still a little broy though he's still a little broy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so there's that aspect where

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bob Melvin, the flip side of Bob Melvin being the vet that he is, he was also

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[SPEAKER_01]: like a mannequin who's you just move their mouth like in the you know the like Bob Melvin never smiled he never got mad he was a little stern and his language but there was no personality there the flip side game capler all personality to the point over you're like okay dude enough like you know there's not a lot of Bruce poachies out there right who's got like just the right temperature for every moment

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I give Vatelo credit for reading the room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I get it a little bit more now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what this media is like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My guess is that he probably likes doing national media a little bit more than the Bay Area media, because he can still use that, you know, all-shock stuff to the national folks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we're a little bit more mad that the team's not good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not gonna be able to next year though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, I think he has done a really good job at kind of straddling that line of what's too much and what's not enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've really appreciated him figuring that out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's a no awareness to him that I wasn't sure was going to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's figured it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's figured that piece out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's got the faith of the vets because he stood behind them and now they're playing better and maybe they can't, maybe the giants can actually get a winning month, can they get a winning month in June?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the next step, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: April and May sucked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we now get a winning month?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're so far away from 500 so you want want these small goals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe, maybe June, maybe we can get a winning month in June, and that starts, it already started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, really, you get your home for Washington in Chicago, both solid teams, both around 500.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So better than you, but not unbeatable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can take care of some business here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it would be very poor if they had a, if they had this, this current week and they, you know, they lost more games than they won.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be very poor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, you go, you go a Monday through Sunday, you got six games and then because you're going to have another tough one because then you go on the road and you play Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know if you've seen that land is record, but they are just about the best team in baseball right now at our good but he has, we're gonna see our good but he has 45 and 21, those braves and then the marlins, the marlins aren't, you know, the marlins are the marlins, but for whatever reason,

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[SPEAKER_01]: whenever we go to Miami, I always feel like it's going to be a bad time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And does that go back to Mac cheese?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I made me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh man, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a tough place to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why, that just seems to be one of those places.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's ugly, it's, they've got the artificial turf.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's in a dome, you're in Miami, but it's in a dome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't really see Miami, it's just a, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Miami and Tampa Bay, they really need to fix things down there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're in such a beautiful state where you have a lot of views, you really need to do something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just went on the tangent there about Florida.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, sorry Florida baseball, but I just don't like the way you guys do things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so I liked coming on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and having a little bit of optimism.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just because we had a little bit more fun this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh, yeah, it's fun with the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Scene fun baseball that we've seen in the last couple of days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I mean, I, the, the fist pumps and the FIAs in my house have been a little few and far between this year, but the last couple of days, I got quite a few of those FIAs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a little pump this, yeah, and so yeah, it's I want to see more tonight and this series against Washington and then when the cubbies come into town, I think if we can if we can finish this week at four and two that's nice and the beautiful thing is the giants have Thursday off at home and I think the players need that too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they need to just rest, you know what I really liked even though he didn't make it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Matt Chapman's slide at the dish yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, that's those moments where it's like, your 12 games under 500, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, who cares?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just give yourself up, you know, and this dude is out here looking like, you know, Ricky Henderson trying to slide at home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Willie Mays Hayes trying to slide at home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now's a, hey, he's there, he still bought their still plan really, really hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to watch my on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that about Chapman too because I think after that article came out that when Susan Slusser interviewed him a couple weeks ago or maybe about a week ago where he said he was getting death threats because of his play because of how bad of a beginning of the season he was having and I think that probably got a lot off his chest and just kind of air it out and said you know what screw you guys I'm going to go out there and play my game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not because of what I'm getting from people, but just because I got this off my chest, I'm gonna go out there and play baseball, I'm gonna do my thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I said, they could have sleepwalked it, but Chapman showed them, I think with that slide that you are not sleepwalking this map.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna get this series win, we're gonna go back home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First, get a life internet trolls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I know, yeah, don't, we saw Matt Chapman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in person, filled in ground balls with met Williams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The size of this man's arms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a big dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a big dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he had a Wu Tang shooter shirt on too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the internet trolls wouldn't say Jack asked to chat me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He saw him face face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing you cannot do to Chapman is bring the ruckus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you cannot, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,