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Sept. 3, 2026

Giants Fall 5-2 to Pirates: Devers' Power Surge & Braves Sweep | Thompson 2 Clark Postgame

Giants Fall 5-2 to Pirates: Devers' Power Surge & Braves Sweep | Thompson 2 Clark Postgame
Giants Fall 5-2 to Pirates: Devers' Power Surge & Braves Sweep | Thompson 2 Clark Postgame
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Giants Fall 5-2 to Pirates: Devers' Power Surge & Braves Sweep | Thompson 2 Clark Postgame

In this Postgame edition of Thompson 2 Clark, Brad Evans and Garrett Gonzales break down today's series finale loss to the Pirates — a 5-2 defeat with five walks from Blade Tidwell, as the Giants dropped the set 1-2 after a wild 10-inning win in Game 2 keyed by Rafael Devers' 32nd homer. Zooming out, it's still been a strong week for San Francisco, coming off a three-game sweep of the Braves at Truist Park that snapped Atlanta's seven-game winning streak. Devers remains the story of the second half with 32 homers and counting. They also cover Buster Posey confirming Tony Vitello will return as manager in 2027, and look ahead to top pick Jackson Flora's first start for Single-A San Jose this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is time for Thompson to Clark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is our post game edition of Thompson to Clark, since the Giants played the pirates.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Early this morning, out here on the west coast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say, if you decided to schedule your morning around this baseball game, it was not a good idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it wasn't even because the Giants lost.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, they were somewhat in the game

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[SPEAKER_00]: they got two hits the pirates got five hits so it's not a whole lot of offense going on this one now I like I like I told you guys afterwards I was like man they just ended that series with a whimper just I mean after you have this

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, bomb-bastic 13 to 12 laws in the first game in the series is really nice, extra innings, victory, yesterday, and then you come back today and look like you've already got one foot on the plane and you're like, let's go home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are one more game to play guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of how it felt today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think we could give Vatelo the benefit of the doubt with the line-ups he's having to put out there with guys who we've never even really heard of Really scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to these minor leagueers and I imagine the reason why we're seeing some of the guys that we're seeing is because they don't want to bring up

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[SPEAKER_01]: other guys who they would have to put on the roster and I'm sure somehow that relates to next year just and you know for if the lockout happens or if a strike happens and you still want your minor leagueers to play like I don't know exactly how all of that is going to work

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, you look at someone like Bo David's and you're like, hey man, like I'd like to see that guy up, and it's like, nope, instead you're going to get Turner Hill, who is making the most out of his opportunity by the way, but not somebody that the fans are necessarily like fired up to see because they know the deal, but again, like, you know, the consistency of this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You fight fight fight two games in a row, you come back like you have your ace on the mound for one and then you bang around Paul schemes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then you go down by a lot of runs and you come back and you fight back and you lose an extras and you know that's kind of the way the season has gone but to show some heart in that game and then to come back and win an extras yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to Bryce Eldridge coming through and they rock them when they walked devours and then you would like to see a little bit of fight today, but yeah like you said it looked like they were ready to to leave, but that's the consistency you want to see and let's say you are an average or maybe even good baseball team

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[SPEAKER_01]: you probably win the first game of this series and then you win yesterday and today you're kind of fine with losing you know maybe maybe guys aren't maybe that's just human nature you're kind of like yeah you know I'm I'm done but when you lose the first game this game is so much more important and then they just tank they just gave this one you know they they were just done with this one anyway so that's the difference you know really between a competitive team and

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Blake Tidwell, Blade Tidwell got another opportunity to showcase a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he walks a lot of guys, that that is just really the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he shows some fortitude for sure on the mound there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He fights, he battles, he only gave up two hits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to give up five walks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Head five strikeouts, but he's just putting runners on base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't he hit the first runner or the second runner in or something like that with the base loaded?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he hit hit about or drove in the second run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then settle down, but I mean, when you come out the gates like that, especially at a, you know, a 935 AM West Coast start, that's just your, you're looking at that gone home, man, this is going to be a really long game and I know these guys want to get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to get home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's

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[SPEAKER_00]: I expected a little bit more fight today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I expected a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, because it was bullpen games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's, you know, they didn't run a starter out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're we saw skins and Bubba Chandler the first two games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's what they've got.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, you know, so we saw bullpen games today that just completely shut down this offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they've ever struck out a couple of times three times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Three times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just did not look really,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like he was seeing the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was kind of kind of a rough game for Devours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get his home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get back to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, kind of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, this is this is 26, 20, 26 Giants team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This game was very much a 20, 26 Giants game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to see more of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we have a couple weeks left of this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're definitely going to see more of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I still want to see the guys like, you know, jungle Lee coming up there with a pinch hit a bat and you know, just raking a double.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seeing the first pitch and just driving it down the line and getting a double driving in a run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that, you know, that was absolutely fantastic to see you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still want to see the guys, the rest of the season who, um, who want to continue to play baseball on love baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying that there's guys on the team that don't, uh, everybody thought that way of devours at the beginning of the season because he was off to such a slow start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You watch that guy now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's loving the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, he just,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's loving playing baseball, the younger guys have kind of, you know, injected something in him where he's excited to be out there, hitting bombs, over 30 home runs this year, you know, so if a Dom has didn't do it last year, then Devers was going to be the first one since Bonds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have done it this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, that being said, you see the guys like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he still see costs out there battling too, which I like as speaking of Hill, I think he'll probably he could probably stick around if it continues to be the contact, you know, hit guy that he's shown so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was sitting 320, I think coming into the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: or over 320, and we could possibly see him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could be the next Christian cause of 2027.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he could be that bench guy, that valuable guy, because we're gonna get Schmidt back, we're gonna get Chapman back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dom is will be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not gonna have a lot of room, but if you've got a hill, if you've got a guy like Hill who can kind of play all over the place, that'll be nice to have, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, do you really think,

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[SPEAKER_01]: any of these guys are going to be on the team next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm talking about the guys that we didn't really know we're going to be on a roster this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think Turner Hill is definitely making a point that he should be a bench guy next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A beta is not going to be back, so you're going to need outfielders, and this is, you know, regardless, the, the giants are going to be looking at free agency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're also going to be looking, now that they boosted up their farm system, they're going to 100% be looking at trades as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they could trade for guys who have a couple of years of control, and you could pop one of those guys in the outfield, yep, that's what they're going to be doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still feel like they could have done that with Elliott Ramos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ramos could have stuck around and been in the system for a little bit longer and been in the outfield for a little bit longer, because if you're going from Elliott Ramos to Jonah Cox, I mean, you're not upgrading, so if Cox is in the outfield next year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think something, you know, bad happen in the office isn't it the office isn't didn't go the way you thought it was going to go so really have the guys in the lineup right now we're going to see Shay Whitcomb probably not are you know or we're going to see you know some of the other guys baricoto

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe Bassave probably not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I think Turner Hill can really be an extremely valuable bench guy who could absolutely play all over the infield and give a lot of these older guys a breather because

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like we've talked about it, I'm pretty sure, and again, you've got an offseason, just so Chapman can get moved, will he?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Adomus could get moved, those kind of can get moved in the offseason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to get less in the offseason, and then you would, you know, if they were having fantastic seasons going into July of next year, where you could possibly move them to a team that's looking for one of those guys, never, maybe, devours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think you could move devours, but I think right now you want to hang on to devours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the way he's playing and if he could be that guy for the next couple of seasons with these young guys, and you could put other pieces around them, you could have a decent offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's so many things to fix on this team, so it's hard to say like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be all right, I mean, when you look at the bullpen, I think I heard Cruko say something about, you know, Logan Web looks gasped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that should go to six man rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who are the six pitchers going to be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like who are the six starters?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I need Mike to throw some endings there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We barely have two right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We, I don't know if we get a four to go to six man rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We go to the six man quote unquote rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the five and six bought are going to be bullpen games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the key to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I say key to win, but I think he just went on the aisle and he's out for even longer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of these guys are going to be out for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be the harder part, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then it's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's just audition season and audition season where I said earlier today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen Ryan Walker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see him audition anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have not seen a major league baseball strike happen to where you have guys who are not major league players aka scrubs playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember if that's happened in our lifetime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it happened in 1987 and the NFL where they had

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[SPEAKER_01]: Somehow Bill Walsh was running like some archaic offense in the nine or one like all these games in that time to keep them to keep them winning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like the team that they're putting out there now, it kind of resembles what you would put together if you had a team of non MLB players to have to play in these games because of a strike or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe that's a little bit disrespectful because they are big league players, but it's the kind of players who people go like, oh, who's this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, this person played, you know, semi-pro baseball for in the independently for three years or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's guys like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can say it comes off the 60 year old Jose can say go playing for the independent bears comes out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess the the point of the rest of the season is you just got to run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to finish it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't just not play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they don't have tons of bodies they don't have guys who who are going to uh... be on any highlight real films maybe they have some good stories but were just running out until the season's over and you talked about Ryan Walker

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you had texted our Giants chat by saying, you know, I don't need to see any more of this guy to know what he has, and my response was, who else is going to pitch?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, maybe you could throw a middle infielder, but you cannot bring him in when the game's only four to two, and then of course Ryan Walker does end up giving up a run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like yeah, they probably would rather do that than run some of the guys out who they know are not going to pitch well like he's just an arm at this point to get through the rest of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'd rather see a AAA arm and and Suco slugs has a good question slash comment in our chat here, so I want you to put that up after this, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather see a AAA guy who they know maybe not be a part of the organization next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe this is Ryan Walker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's exactly who I'm describing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Ryan Walker, they know like he's not going to be part of the organization next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I was saying earlier, too, I think he's going to be, I think he's going to be here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he hasn't been DFA by now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to be, but I wouldn't be shocked to see in the spring training because another arm, you know, maybe he's going to work on some stuff in the offseason, but then but then traded because he's on a 40-man, you know, run through DFA at the end of spring training, move him along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to have to at some point, but I just kept thinking there's got to be somebody else in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who you can take Walker off the 40 man adds somebody else to the 40 man and say look this is a fringe guy I don't know if he's gonna be around next year Let's just get him out there and see what's gonna happen and I know there I mean if you look at the bullpen names right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're already doing that with like you know Seven guys you look at these names in you go

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, a lot of these guys may not even be in the organization next year, but then you got guys like, you know, you and your marté who looks really good and and so he could be an arm that's in the mix next year for either a starter or a bullpen, but but but I think I think for me it's like, okay, yeah, I mean this team is 25 games under 500.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ryan Walker needs to go, let's get somebody else in there, and let's just see, maybe you catch lightning in a bottle for a month, and then maybe you trade that guy, you know, because right now you can't trade Ryan Walker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, you just got a DFA and say goodbye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, you can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know who I mean, there's got to be a, you know, minor league team in Germany somewhere that wants him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's mean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's mean, but he's, he's broken our hearts too many times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And during the broadcast, too, blew my mind when Fleming and Hobby Lopez were talking about like, you know, Ryan Walker's out there just trying to, you know, just trying to get back to, you know, the all star that he was, the lights out, reliever he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was the end of 2024, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he had one really good year and I remember it wasn't even a year though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it was more like a month.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I remember because you know, Sarah wrote a blog post sometime before the next season saying and he put Ryan Walker on his list of like under the radar arms for fantasy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and I was like, oh, maybe there is something here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, Ryan Walker had some highs, but he, he was just so inconsistent and just would give up the long ball at the most inopportune time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and now he's not, now he's not, he's very consistent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just consistently bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's why, like when they said that, you know, he's, he's just trying to find that again, it's gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I, I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you and I have, I,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we've seen it all of last year and all of this year, I mean, he's had a couple of stints in AAA this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, you know, how far he's fallen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's unfortunate because he's got that nasty slider.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And not even so much like I just don't want to see him on the Giants anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He seems like a decent enough guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if he goes to, I don't know, Cincinnati and they tweak his delivery him and like in Boston, what they do with Eric Miller,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good for him, then he sticks around and he's good because part of me too saying that is like, hey, the giants, it seems like the Frank Anderson and the giants pitching staff and pitching organization as a whole,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're having a hard time kind of figuring out what the problem is with some of these guys and that's worrisome more than anything I think not so much that Ryan Walker isn't good anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I have more of a problem with the fact that

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're shipping guys off like Tyler Malley and Eric Miller and those guys are starting to light it up and we're sitting here going What happened like so it's us?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's us like we we're the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you know, they're smithead right We play we weren't a chat with my buddy Ryan Fantasia and he's a Red Sox fan and he was like wow, I really like this Eric Miller guy

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[SPEAKER_01]: and I'm not my comeback to him was if Eric Miller only had to pitch the seventh inning and get out lefties.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the giants were asking him to close or to pitch, you know, longer sessions and it just wasn't going to be great for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, like if you have a team that has a really good use case for this person, like let's say, now I'm not talking about this year's Ryan Walker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's say the two years ago Ryan Walker, instead of having to close for the giants, maybe he's a seventh inning set up guy for another team and he doesn't have to pitch those late ining games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he just has to get a couple of right handers out and he's out of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he is like one of the one of the best versions of those guys, but when you are asked to and close for the giants, it's a little bit of a different story, and maybe the makeup isn't there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The stuff isn't always consistent enough to where he can get those guys out in the night, and it's just a different time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, let's get to Sugo's question that you'd mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Bo Davidson is a September call-up candidate because the giants need to decide whether to protect him from the rule five draft question mark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I saw something from around the fog horn because they came up, this is a few days ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They put their list of prospects who would be realistic for September.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A Scott Bandura is one of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bo Davidson was another end and someone named Philip Abner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why they had Davidson on the list is because he thought or whoever wrote this blog post thought, he's somebody that they kind of have to figure out because they need to protect him for the rule five drafts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just like Sugo said, and the flip side is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you want to get the look at him and I'd be for it, by the way, I'd be completely for giving him a look because you do need to give the fans something to look forward to, but the flip side is that he wouldn't be able to play miners next year in the case of an MLB lockout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: right and the giants wouldn't want to allow another team to scoop him up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would imagine that they're protecting him just because there's an opportunity for him to make the team next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's proven himself in all areas this year in both and in all the they might early got bad cities had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm for it, but I also understand why they might not want to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Marcelo comes and you know we even heard a lot about him I guess he's that they're being very very cautious and conservative with him but part of what your favorite giant team of all time when we did our list the other day part of that nineteen eighty sixteen was like here's all of these young players root for them they're young they may make some mistakes but they're exciting

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[SPEAKER_01]: If for the rest of the season, if you roll out Bryce El Dridge, and if you roll out Marcello, and if you roll out Bo Davidson, some of these fans may go, huh, this is kind of fun to watch the end of the season versus kind of what we feel now, and I'm watching this Pittsburgh game, and I'm going like, how can anybody watch this as a as baseball, you know, as a major league baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I would be for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I would understand if they chose not to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's kind of I think that's what it boils down to and that should tell you that Buster Posey is, you know, and probably other, you know, had the base for operation and GMs are probably thinking this lockout could be an ugly one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It could be a long ugly one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and if so and you've got guys who still need more at bats, you can't put them on the 40 man because yeah like you said they're not going to be able to play a major league baseball next year they'll be on the 40 man they can't play a minor league baseball either, but minor leagueers who are not on the 40 man roster can play in the season next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you are going to have minor league baseball next year, that's a whole different contract, a whole different thing that they'll be playing minor league baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it is kind of like, you know, they're holding a bit like if Sierra Nevada was to say we have this great new IPA, it's really good and we just finish making it, needs a little bit more time, but in the meantime, here's this non-alcoholic IPA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you, and that's what we have on the field right now is these guys are just kind of like, here's a taste of what it's gonna be like with the young guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These guys might not be around because then when you start thinking about bow Davidson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and some of the other guys in AAA, and the names of escaping at the part of Scarborough and all those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Parts are very, yeah, we're so concentrated still on the big league team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That when you think about those guys, you think, okay, could they win spots next year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they do, then you don't have Turner Hill and you don't have Jonah Cox.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you've also got Drew Gilbert, who's proven himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: big time that he could hit right hand at hitting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're going to have an outfield platoon at any point, Drew Gilbert is a fantastic platoon player and he's a good defensive player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a baseball player right there who's a good third or fourth outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, it totally depends on what you do in your offices and totally depends on what happens in the offices and with all these contracts or with the CBA and everything else that's going to go down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like we talked about all the time, as soon as the world series is over, guys can file for free agency what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like 48 hours, 24 to 48 hours later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That and then the new season usually starts a week later than the new season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to have that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to have any of that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to have free agency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to be tracking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to be watching to see who's going where and what's happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know, man, it's going to be a really, really weird off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've been through it before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, hell, you and I, I don't know some of the younger guys, maybe not, but you and I have been through a canceled world series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, that was, that was horrendous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We could get a 1981 type of deal on you and I lived through that as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of people have seen that season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was not read yet, but I, I want, I like going back to the late 70s and early 80s because it's such an interesting time frame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was one of the Dodgers' cheap rings that they also did, not a full season, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they had that in 2020 and their cheap rings, not a full season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do have to give the Giants credit because they have one handful of games recently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They beat the braves in that funky extra game that they had to play, which didn't count as a sweep for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it counts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But five and one against the braves in in 2000 and 26 that's so weird pretty good based on, you know, other other, they can't beat teams that are bad, but they can beat some of these, do they have a good record against the Dodgers too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have been playing halfway decent baseball at the end of this at least the last couple weeks since the Boston series, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it just feels so black like it even even when they were winning these games you're like Okay, this is just making up for all of the other games that you guys were supposed to win and didn't win because we were given up leads or whatever So I don't get to into the idea of like, oh, you know, they're coming on they should be coming on like you can't play terrible baseball Right, but I mean you can't

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen the White Talks do it, you know, in our lifetime, we've seen other teams do it, where they just lose a ridiculous amount of games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, they're their 65 and their last 11 games, so they went into Boston, got swept and came out of there and then they've gone 65.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, couple games they should have won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and again, that's the story of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They could instead of six and five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They could have been eight and eleven during that stretch, or sorry, eight and three during that stretch, and he looked back anytime during the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a short of one game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a short of what game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's quite a few.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's probably at least,

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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So winning on the margins, I mean, that's going to be huge in the offseason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to be something vital.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in the rest of the crew are really going to have to work at because if they don't improve this team and just say, well, we're getting Chapman back and we're getting Schmidt back and those are like free agents and then we're going to just work the rest of these guys in that's fine and all I think I could live with that offensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could not get behind, though, them saying, we have starting pitching, we have played too well, we've got tugboat, we've got, you know, we've got these guys for, well, actually, we don't know, isn't it, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna have some next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so we've got Carson Seymour, we've got these guys, Junior Marta, these guys can fight for spots in the rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will not be okay with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I I want to see a full pitching staff overhaul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need they need like two veteran starters who are better than Tyler Molly and a Adrian Hauser from last year's wrecked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean that that's that's a hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Hauser is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Back next year, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to tune next up here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've got house or you got web, um, and then you've got a bunch of other group and then you got a, and then you've got, you know, two, two to seven other guys fighting for spots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, yeah, it's it's going to be an interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, it depends on, you know, yeah, birds on, but that also depends on when the season start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the season starts in June, yeah, these guys are going to be far there along in their rehab, but they're also wouldn't have been able to face, you know, live pitching and getting into game or live batteries, getting into games, etc.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be, it's, the whole thing is going to be a mess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: couple of other notes here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we do have to talk about Raphael Devers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's had a really good second half so far and you know, it makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His stuff is kind of coming back to the mean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He started off the season so poorly and he's bringing his numbers back in line with what they usually are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess this is my question for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is this an opportunity to now move him or is this an opportunity to say this is the guy we wanted and you pair him with Bryce Eldridge and we got two guys in the lineup who could bash the baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've always kind of been on the bus of let's keep them and that's not changing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, his value is going to be great this off season again with the CBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate to keep bringing it up, but it's going to play into so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a ceiling?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a cap?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a floor?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because then what is his contract?

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[SPEAKER_00]: mean in different situations of a cap and a floor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really do think the giants just stick with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, if you can come out of the gates, if you could have a good first month of the season, figure out what it takes to have a good first month of the season and come out of the gates.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, playing like a normally plays, he could be a 45 to 50 home run guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He hits home runs at Oracle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he does and that's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what bonds did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you can hit home runs at Oracle and then go on the road and hit a ton of home runs, you're going to hit 45 to 50 home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know his career high is 38.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is a little difficult to hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: balls to write center field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It balls out to write center field and Boston as opposed to hitting a, you know, to write field in San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get the ball up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get a little bit of wind and you're in Macavecope.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I want to stick with them because if you do get rid of them, now you've got Elvridge and you've got

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chapman Adamas and Schmidt because of Schmidt comes back and he becomes the guy that he was then you've got Devers Eldridge and Schmidt and and Adamas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the problem is but he did hit 30 Almonds last year

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if he could become that guy, now all of a sudden you've got four guys that can maybe hit 30 home runs where we couldn't even get one for like 22 years or 20 years, so I want to stick with him, I want to keep him around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he mentioned price in very nicely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he doesn't really talk to the media that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when he does it is usually you're not going to get anything much out of him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he did say that, you know, he thinks price has got it all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's just young and he's got all the tools.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder, this is a, this is a Buster Posey question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buster Posey is the type who is stubborn to say this is proof that my reading of his potential in this park was good or is this something where Buster's like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am okay going back on my decision if the right offer came in and I am not stubborn enough to just think that, you know, because I wanted him that we're not trading him if we get a good deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what side of the fence you think Buster would sit on when it comes to his job?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would hope that it would be the latter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's been taking a lot of L's this year, and for Devers to play good, really good baseball for the second half, he probably feels a little tiny bit vindicated with that trade, but yeah, I don't know, I would love to know what he thinks or how he thinks about that scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know I would think that he's because he said it when he traded for him that he's the dude and you don't find many dudes you know out there that are gettable and so I think he hang on I think he hangs on to him and I think he hangs on to him because he believes like hey this yeah yeah he's vindicated

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the guy I traded for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even, you know, the second half of last season, he wasn't terrible after the giant's traded for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still of hit home runs and just kind of took a while to get going at the beginning of this off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he believes in

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is the dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We needed a guy like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need a left-handed hitter that could take advantage of McCovicov and I got him and now we have two in him and Eldridge if Eldridge gets more and more powerful which he will because he's so young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's going to put on some muscle, he's going to get better with the swing in that ballpark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just going to be the way it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he likes the fact that he has a couple of guys that can take advantage of right field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think he feels vindicated.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think...

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it depends on the Giants record and the direction they're going and if they have somebody they think in the miners that can replace Devers, I think he listens next year or the year after before he starts to fade a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think he would listen to the right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's going to shut everybody out and say not another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I traded for this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's ours forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he would listen unless Devers became a problem in the clubhouse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I would really be all that into eating a ton of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe you could eat some if it took getting the right deal made, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, I think people would look at the giants as, you know, you guys are kind of a fool, trading for this guy, and then having to dump him and pay for him to be traded to another team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in that way, I'm okay with him being a little bit stubborn, but this is an interesting opportunity, because some team could talk themselves into him being back to what he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so, and again, it's going to be the right ballpark, you know, if Colorado in a couple years was a devours away from, you know, doing something, but then you're, you know, within the nationally west and I don't know, the giants are going to want to do something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, maybe a ballpark like Cincinnati or somewhere where the ball just flies, you know, with a Yankees stadium again, he would look good in Yankees stadium with that short portion right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine Yankees fans?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be interesting to you because he, you know, being, you know, his history with the Red Sox and everything else and and that would be that would be very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be a tough time for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Elliot Ramos is having a tough time in New York right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to go there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was super excited when he got traded there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, he's having a tough time right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the last couple of things that we're going to talk about here, uh, vertello, buster confirmed that he's back next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, we, we were pretty sure that that was going to happen, but there was the, uh, there was the piece out a few weeks ago where, you know, I think Susan Slusser said she wouldn't be surprised if some of the colleges, you know, came after him, and they still may,

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[SPEAKER_01]: but he's under contract to the giants, and I think as long as he's, like, fired up about doing his job, Buster does not reverse field on that one either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, man, you know, you talk about an initiation, this entire year has been an initiation for Vatelo, the poor guy gets run out of games for not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: just eyeballing the empire you know you didn't even have the respect for me to come eyeball me at home play you yelling at me from the dugout on this is why I'm running you like you know i do wonder what they can do there because i don't know if it's his personality but it seems pretty clear to me that some of these umpires just do not like this dude for whatever reason

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think it's one of those things where, you know, the empires, they're a good old boy network.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, they, they, it's them against everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of how it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though they're there to just officiate the game, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just, you're there to call balls and strikes, you know, to, to the letter of the rule book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're there to you're there to get a lot of pitches overturned this year like we've seen But but that's that's their job, but they're still a good old boy now because they stick up for each other and and they have They have their own unwritten rules.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just you know baseball has unwritten rules umpires have their own unwritten

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes managers and coaches and players don't know what those are until they find out, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Vitalo found out the other night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not fair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's not cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they should do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But well, I mean, they're way, what does let those dudes know what he thought about it the next day?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what has been around for a long time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, you wouldn't do that to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So why you're doing it to him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, let's, you know, come on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a big league manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I really do think Vitalo is one of those guys who

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[SPEAKER_00]: he took this job not to like, hey, let me see how the first year goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he, I think he took the job to say, I want to build something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, you know, working for Buster Posey with for whatever you want to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Working with or for Buster Posey, he's a winner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to, I want to

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's excited about sticking around for another couple years to see what he can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I say three years is kind of the tops for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I say once you get to the year three, if they haven't made significant strides together, that could be it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Either he walks away or they fire him, one or the other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what does he have a four-year deal with the 50-year option and the 50-year kicks in if they make the playoffs in year four?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what the deal is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I say three years and if we're still 20 games on our 500, I mean, if we're still 20 games on our 500 and three years, I'm not sure Buster's still doing the job any more either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's why I'm pretty confident there's going to be a bit of a turn around next year, a 500 club, you know, fighting, you know, fighting harder than some of the games we've seen this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think he likes the challenge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last thing is we've been wondering what's going on with Jackson Flora, the giant's first round pick this year, and he's going to San Jose, he's going to start in Fresno this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that means as far as the rest of the home season, but I was kind of looking, I was like, man, I should look at the San Jose giant schedule, do they even have home games left?

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[SPEAKER_01]: before the uh... single a playoff start so they play uh... in Fresno uh... tonight tomorrow saturday sunday and then the uh... then they host the the california league division series games two and three next thursday and friday

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[SPEAKER_00]: That next Friday's game might be kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine I imagine a lot of people Looking forward to that and then they would also host South division champion games as well, but that is it really so they have no like no regular season games left So if if Jackson Flora is going to pitch in the playoffs

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only a couple opportunities in which he would line up for a home start and you know, I don't imagine he's out there throwing six or seven ending spray thrown two innings and and yeah, bouncing so that's how we made a will was will who's the that's how we saw well I think he only pitched one inning that one game when we saw him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're not going to get much out of those guys right now because they're just, you know, he pitched a full college season and they just, you know, get to get the feet wet, you know, basically on your throwing days, let's keep you going, yeah, type of things to get chat to throw like 40, 50, and then get you out of there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and to play off situation, I think, you know, a lot of, they want to win, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, it's, you know, it's, it's single-a-base ball with those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to go out there win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, you and I have a little bit of an early exit because we got stuff going on tonight, but we got this one in, unfortunately for the post game part of this show was not much of a baseball game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you two excited about when you get two hits all game and one of them is Jung who just kind of yawning and then lacing one down the right field line was like the only excitement of like the whole game for the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the eighth, Devers comes up, strike out, and then Eldridge, and I think what he did popped out, or grounded out, or whatever, and you're like, okay, that's about it, that there's no chance of coming back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your two boppers in the eighth didn't make any noise so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to Sougos Lugs for hanging out this in the chat, and yeah, we'll be back at some point next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll figure out when 40-nighter podcasts are going strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked Rams and Niners, Rod Nye, last night Brad popped into the chat and hanging out with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to do another one this weekend on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, and then Niners Rams next Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for sure, we cannot record next Thursday because we're going to be focused on Niners Rams on Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll figure it out though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it for me or for Brad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm WCC when we see you piece out piece.