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[SPEAKER_01]: It is episode two of our very special podcast, Giants vs. Dodgers with my buddy Draven and it's bad timing for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the Giants have just lost their fifth game in a row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Randy Rodriguez gave up a three-run homer in the all-star game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was you want to see that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you guys playing right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, we, we start at one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, yes, first pitch is the one online.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, West Coast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only good thing is that you guys aren't killing it right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you haven't jacked up the lead on us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys just have way more room for air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The giants when the giants play baseball like frauds, they don't have anybody to turn to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Michael Conforto takes a dump in left field, you can find somebody else to replace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're saying in a few of them this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I warned you about important.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel bad for that guy because so many of his teammates have rallied around him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean he's he's legitimately gone through some depression just because he can't he can't get it going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean he's he's you know, I don't know if your algorithm gives you those like weekly like who's doing the worst and all and all the categories in the league as your score into social media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's always like in the top five of our very offensive category, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And right now he's batting like one eighty or something that's batting average just horrible like horrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know you had told me that he tends to pick it up again in the second half, but he still hasn't, you know, he has little, you know, little flares here and there, but he just can't get it going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is the trade we're coming up on the trade deadline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure they have him as bait, but then again, who's going to want him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so we took a risk and it just didn't pay off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't pay off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a couple stories like that for us this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tanner Scott is another one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, seventy five mill over four years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He leads the league and blown saves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they've tried to tweak his mechanics.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not really working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a big investment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got them for four years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he gave up the home run to motto said I thought was going to rejuvenate the giants but then they they lost it in the extra innings

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what do we get to talk about today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the reason why I wanted to bring Dr. Avon back on sooner than we're going to do this, you know, maybe four or five times a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I want because the giant's and Dodgers played right before the All-Star Break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just like happened the first time that they played in LA, giant's won the first game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the Dodgers won the back end, the two games of the three gamer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Dodgers have taken the series so far, both series, they're foreign to against the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they play two more times this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So some opportunity, but for me, because the Dodgers are the measuring stick, I'm looking okay, how do we play against these guys?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we measure up?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the litmus test here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the giants, that first game,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They go out there and they play like hell and then it's these back two games that it's almost like exhaust themselves and then you guys just pick up the pieces but I mean I'm not disappointed in the way that they've played because outside of that one game

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[SPEAKER_01]: which was the devil's trade where you guys just killed us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The game's been really competitive, but it's just you guys have that extra gear in those last couple of innings to pull away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So not disappointed in how they played, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then they go into Toronto and they get swept and it's just like, come on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I called them the fraudulent giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I've done this study Brad and I on Thompson to Clark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to see since twenty eighteen twenty nineteen time frame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the halves of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And outside of twenty twenty one where the giants put up dominant first halfs and second halves, they either play a above five hundred in one or in the beginning first half or the second half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then the opposite half, they play underwater.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's my fear about this season is they started out good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This has been their best first half since twenty twenty one and even before that since probably twenty sixteen or seventeen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's the fall off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they can't put together two halves, which is part of baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the hundred sixty two game season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's why the thing is so hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you play a great for one half and then you don't play a great for the second half, then you're not a good team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's my worry for the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you fit or where do you sit right now with the Dodgers?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they are not playing as dominantly as you probably want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but because of what we said so many resources just still easily in first place and you know five games ahead without even playing probably your your your B plus baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So so that has been the story of the doctor's all season all season we've been here and ever since they started the season eight and all it's been like what's they didn't know but they haven't played their bet their best baseball just because we've been hit with the injury bugs especially with the pitching this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So everybody, there's that elusive golden carrot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, once we get snow back in there, you know, once we get glass, no back in there, then you're going to see the dominant Dodgers because we're going to have a healthy rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That that's not as looking like it's not going to happen possibly for the entire year unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now it's more concerning and was getting more of the attention is the season that Freddie Freeman and Mookie bets are having because their numbers are very support and now people are asking questions because they're not they're not going out like like they're not in a slump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been representative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Freddie Freeman started off pretty hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he was batting like three eighty for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Abro and May, but once June came around, he settled in and he struggled in quite a bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And people are thinking he's heard and he's just not telling anyone, people are studying his movements around first base the way he walks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then with Mookie, everybody's saying, well, I mean, that's what happened when you go to a right field of shortstop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been struggling offensively because of the move defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's now the questions, if they don't get out of the slump, what's going to happen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because we also lost Max Munsey, he's finally going to come back to your late August, early September and our, you know, our bats are struggling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Oscar came back from an injury, never really got it back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so now it's more, this is going to be the baseline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's larger fans and the people that analyze the team, they're thinking, this is the baseline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is no golden carrot anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have to just kind of begin the other team and just grind our way through, which is what happened last year, which is what makes this so frustrating, because Andrew Friedman actually made, when other make some big moves, so we don't have to go through the show we went through last year, and here we are going through it again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's also a lot of people, and I don't know, people are blaming the coaching staff, because

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the pitching problem is a dodger problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we had, I don't know if you, if you saw the list, I know you guys have been the bear or hate haters, so you guys are always keeping tabs on us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you ever saw the list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At one time, we had something like, seventeen pictures on the aisle, seventeen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of the similar elbow injuries, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah yeah and then everybody's saying that's why mark prior only had like five seasons in the big leagues and so so now there's people looking at the coaching staff what are they doing wrong so so yeah so it's not all you know we do have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to talent but they all they all have broken wheels and what we are another so it's been it's been very frustrating uh... to answer your question

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's different this year because the schedule is a little bit weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about it in the previous episode where I think the division

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[SPEAKER_00]: the divisional games are on the back in this year, which is weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got you guys for a couple more, I think it's two more series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The podgers are coming to town again, I think one last time, we got a diamond back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot, this year, the divisional series are back ended.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if we have any president for how that we would look record-wise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, because this has never happened before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is the first year where the schedule is as long as it's been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the theory, so you talked about the arm injuries, I had a friend who writes for baseball perspective and he was talking to somebody and this was a player who basically validated

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[SPEAKER_01]: the elbow injuries and said, look, if I pitched like, you know, I was going to pitch, you know, nine innings every game, I didn't have good enough stuff to where I would last, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I just threw as hard as I could for two or three innings, knowing that more than likely I was going to hurt my arm, that's what got me to the big leagues and I was able to make some money and be on a couple teams and thus I had a career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if I didn't do that, I wasn't going to even make the pros.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is kind of the theory of

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, teaching these guys, you know, kind of throwing as hard as they are and everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's two different philosophies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not great for the longevity of some of these, of some of these kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, none of them really are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, none of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking at the stats the other day and it's like something like, like, seventy five percent of major league pitchers are going on the I.L.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for Tommy John and it's almost like now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you sign a picture, you have to budget in that year off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to nowadays, especially if it's a starting picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you notice, these guys that are signed for seven, eight years, they always have that one year off to get Tommy John always.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's very few that don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so it's been a struggle to keep these guys healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also analytics has a lot to do with it because now with the whole idea of like, once the third time the rotation comes around, they figure you out, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like you said, the mentality is just give us a hard five, a hard six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Once the rotation comes around the third time or another rotation, the lineup, once they come around the third time, we're gonna pull you anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a mixture of a lot of things that have created this dynamic where pictures are blowing out their arm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: very early on in the careers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to see some sort of somebody kind of go back to the old school way of doing it like maybe if a picture has the stuff like you said and they're able to just stay below ninety five miles per hour, you know, and see where that gets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just using technique like a great magic type, but we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think these young kids

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't allow that philosophy to get through like, you know, double A bar triple A bar, so it's hard for them to come up to the big leagues with that mentality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you think of seeing your boy Kirsha in the All-Star game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I loved it and it was a very emotional

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of the last remaining horses from back in the old school, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he sees, I don't think we're going to see another crucial again in a very, very, very long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now what these younger generation, he didn't really want to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He felt awkward being there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said it took him a long time to really kind of just accept it because he knows he hasn't had the best season this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just like a little thank you all star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's actually kind of weird because he feels

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the league is retiring him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, I haven't announced that I might come back next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he feels that the league itself is kind of giving him a swan song all around the country.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's starting when they made a big deal of that three K, the whole game where he wasn't going to get three thousand strikeouts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then from there, it's been like the celebration of his career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, yo, I'm still playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I might play next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's only thirty seven years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, but he's just been around since he was at least he came up when he was twenty or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he's one of the last guys from that era like that last era of like giving you giving you two hundred plus things and all that stuff, you know, you don't see those guys anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he and Bungarner will kind of be tied at the hip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because Kursha was the much better regular season picture and he's going to have the more storied career because of the longevity and the sirens and such.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then post season, it turns to bumgarner when it comes to, you know, who's the guy that you wanted to give the ball in the seventh game of the world series or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kursha himself didn't have

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[SPEAKER_01]: those great playoff games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, those are the two guys that I think of when you, when you say that, you know, the, you know, the Giants have one right now, who is struggling so badly just in Verlander, I think it's own eight right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they don't hit when he pitches so that's some of it, but, you know, he'll have a good ending and then he'll throw it ninety four mile per hour fast while that's so much as he ranks over the fence, like very easily.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, oh, do we need this guy right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he, what, what is, what's the value of having him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the rotation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure there's some value in the clubhouse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some value with because they have a young pitching staff where he can give them some insight and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so yeah, those guys are are gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Zach, I guess that is that cranky still in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, hey, he hasn't been in the lead for a couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Max Scherzer's pitching with the blue jays, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's one of those guys that you see them, you know, the common thing at the end of their careers, where there's this jumping around different teams, you know, just trying to catch another day, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, yeah, those guys are all gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then after that, it's a whole new story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, none of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of these records are never going to be broken because the younger generation is not going to be given a shot to break it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like the like one of the last time we saw one picture computer know hitters been a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, because now they have a team competing the no hit or which is right ridiculous, but yeah, so so that that's kind of been the story of the Dodgers and then another big story is Otani Otani has looked pretty good on the mound since he came back, but but his numbers have definitely, you know, so which they that which they you guys knew was probably going to happen, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's part of the equation and getting him back in the rotation was the numbers were going to dip a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it's not his fault, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's expected I mean the guy that guy is not superman he we sometimes he plays like he is but he's kind of is Superman I feel I mean in a lot of ways he is even now

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now the question becomes like, do we keep a message as a hitter?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he's such a great hitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, he himself sees himself as a pitcher who can hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wouldn't have signed with the Dodgers if they didn't let him pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's a pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to record as saying, I am a pitcher that can hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am not a hitter that can pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he's saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so if they I some as a pitcher, he's going to be very upset.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what are we going to talk about today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk a little bit about the all-star game just all-star game memories because the game is the all-star game is not the same as when we were growing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also wanted to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the game itself is not the same as when we're growing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I wanted to talk to you about was because we have guys like Judge and Otani.

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[SPEAKER_01]: just kind of thinking back to the guys that we've seen and comparing them to those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, I love the Otani and bonds comparison just because, you know, when I watch Otani hit, he doesn't walk as much as Barry did and he doesn't have like that strike zone discipline that Barry did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when the sound

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[SPEAKER_01]: of the baseball hitting the bat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That sound is very reminiscent of Barry to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll talk about those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then also last time we did like our most hated giants and Dodgers players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to flip this one a little bit of the most respected like who did we respect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though we dislike them because of their colors, but who is that's not very hard for me, but I'll play along.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have some old school ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have a lot of like new school ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember with the other than Otani, but I told you that I'm going to hold ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I told you that I'm very much in the Shawn Michaels, what he told Brett back in ninety seven, you know, you put me over that's fine, but I'll never put you over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, I'm paraphrasing there, but we know what he was saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'll do my best, but it's not gonna be easy, because you just saying very bonds just makes my blood boil.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would never, I would never, ever approve that man getting approved for any kind of Hall of Fame celebration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you even compare him to Otani when the man was a cheater?

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[SPEAKER_00]: His head, his head's all up about two times the original size he came in at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And no, you actually pro harbour me with that one because I just saw it on the you had the little blurb there and I was like he put these comparing very much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, that's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, we're not going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And besides, there's, Tony had so many other of the field reasons why he such a legend, and he's gonna be bigger than life if he isn't already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the cultural impact he's had on baseball, on just the finances of the sport.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I was, the other day I was looking at pricing for every stadium that autonomy visits, and you see the bump,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know prices prices go up twenty three dollars per ticket when he's coming to town in any other in any other market because people want to see them they're very bounce have that impact maybe in ninety eight maybe in two thousand and one i don't know if any any other year because he was chasing the home run records but uh... but uh... then you talk about all the the markets that'll tony has opened right international markets

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[SPEAKER_00]: So no, there's no, there's absolutely a Tony's up here and very much like right here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's no, and let's not even do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The negative effect that very hard on the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's another business way to look at this though, in that baseball in the U.S.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is not nearly as popular today as it was in the, you know, the late nineties and early two thousands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the coalition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The coalition is not going to be very bonds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, because, because one thing we'll get to about when we're talking about the All Star game, uh, Major League Baseball was better at creating superstars during that era than they are now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, they try, but they don't, the superstars today, they don't have the sustainability that the older guys had, you know, and again, it could also be me seeing it through bias eyes, you know, nostalgic guys, whatever you want to call it, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just feel like back when I was young man, when I was a teenager in the nineties, maybe even early two thousands, some of these guys, their names resonated man, you said, you said a name and you just knew King Griffin Junior, you know exactly who he was, like Mike Piazza, like these guys were all larger than life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I feel like almost every team had one of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: whereas now like you've been looking at the all star game like I didn't even know who have these guys were and I follow them you know sport you weren't like oh junior common arrow like no no and the thing was like and I know they're trying right like like with a cow rally I mean they're trying with him he got over his over big dude you know a big dump her as a column

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we already had that before, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vladimir Goro Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a couple years ago was kind of a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fernando Tatis Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just seems like they're not sustainable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they're local markets, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not talking about local markets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I was to go, if I was to go to like a basketball game, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was to pull over like some chink that was with her date with the guy that was the fan of the Lakers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, do you know who Fernando Tatis Jr.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't know who that is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she wouldn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe, but I thought she wouldn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's like the San Diego market, which is ninety-nine minutes away from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't see those superstars of yesterday, like we did that much more localized game than it was when we were growing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A hundred percent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the NFL, like I think, I think one of the

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if this is like a fake history or whatever, but when we were growing up, baseball was called the America's pastime, you know, that's what everyone called it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but the NFL was already just as or more popular than baseball was when we were growing up it's just baseball marketed itself so much as like apple pie and you know just Americana and this and that and so

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[SPEAKER_01]: They kept that reputation for a while just based off of marketing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then, you know, you'd start to look at those TV ratings or you look at the popularity or you talk to people about football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, football was just way more popular.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where we are now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now basketball is an interesting one because it's probably a little bit closer to baseball than it is to football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they do have more marketable young players because there's only five players on the court at a time for

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you get to see these faces and baseball is twenty five man rosters and football, you know, is helmets and pads and uniforms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the idea that Major League Baseball is not as much of a national.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's legitimate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is one hundred percent in real deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who actually stands out in today's game?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about Eltoni.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked about Judge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who else is like a national

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[SPEAKER_01]: baseball star outside of those two guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, that's a good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think mokey mokey, you know, I get a little rumbness when I go to the other stadiums, mokey's a guy that people know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and it might be because he's a Dodger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was like that when he was with the red socks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but that, but even mokey, right, mokey's like you, you have judge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have autonomy and then mokey's like down here if he was the third guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I'm trying to think, I mean, I can't think of anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A couple years ago,

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[SPEAKER_01]: May have been Bryce Harper because he came up when he was like a teenager, essentially.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, mookies at mookies a good one, uh, but mookies a more of like a, uh, every day kind of duties, not like the giant six foot seven judge or.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: More of like an every man kind of guy, which I think it, I think I like about him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it goes at bulls, three hundred games and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... is a conia but he's been hurt a lot uh... and but you watch like i play and you're like how is this guy not a much bigger star just you see the throw that he made to uh... yet it was so like matter of fact

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, yeah, he's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, again, he's one of those guys to put it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go ahead and put it in wrestling terms, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's how my brain works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kunia's like a bread hard kind of guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a hog and kind of guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a Shawn Michaels kind of guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so we're looking at the hog hog and kind of guy, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The big type to be top, you know, penetrate culture kind of guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about one soda?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of one soda?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I would have loved, I would have loved if he played for the Giants, but, you know, he's, he's, I think he's kind of, he's not even at the Bryce Harper level, because at least Bryce Harper, you know, they want a world series, and he was one of the top players in a world series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But going back to what you were talking about the pitching, the starting pitchers used to be stars, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can go back to Doc Gooden, like who was a more

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and in my youth, there was no more of an exciting picture to watch than doc good and Nolan Ryan, someone who withstood the test of time, then you go to like Pedro and Maddox and Randy Johnson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the guy right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it skins?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's skins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, but then again, they're not allowed to be those performers that a marriage was, you know, again, even back then, you had like a Tony Gwen, you know, who was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just so many, Frank Thomas, I mean, like I said earlier, kangryphi junior, you know, Mark McWire, I mean, I mean, just in the old,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the age of the late eighties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you have McGuire, Conseco, and Henderson are just in that team alone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And look, I'm from LA, that they're Oakland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a whole different market and even I knew of the myth of those guys, you know, and how dangerous the A's were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then a secretary, how about that guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everybody knew who then a secretary was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think you just have fond memories of those guys because you pimped them in the world series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's not a trust me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was always getting to those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll give you, I'll give you a great example.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Middle of the middle of the road, even low tier guys, like the Cincinnati's Reds nasty boys, you know, Rob Nibble.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like look, these are all characters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What about Kirby Pucket who played in Minnesota?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Minnesota had some good teams, which helped because they went to the world series in one, some world series, but can you name a Minnesota twins player right now, if the top of your head, like you probably can, but it'll take you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I wasn't named Karez with Karez, they're short stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A Byron boxed in, I guess, would be another one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like it's hard and everybody knew who Kirby Pucket was in the late eighties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And think about it like this, too, Garrett is like, we didn't have cable back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was all through magazines, through scuttle, but we couldn't see these guys baseball cards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Baseball cards, which was, which was so influential back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have access to these players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have YouTube, we didn't have MLB network.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this idea that I was able to name off those three Oakland A's, I mean, I didn't see them every day, but I knew about them and I knew that there were dangerous and they were great ball players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So and we don't have that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a question for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think that the reason why we don't have that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there's a lot of reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a very nuanced topic, but one of the reasons is because of the lack of white ball players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's a lot of the mannequins, Venezuelans, even Japanese ball players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think this is about racism or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's human nature to want to relate to your own right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so and so the Americans are like, well, I don't see any great white ball player there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a gravity towards the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had with which has the more traditional you know corn fed Midwestern guys, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's an interesting thing now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I thought you were going to say is I thought you were going to talk about the lack of African-American baseball players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, there are very many and which is why someone like mokey bets stands out when I was growing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like the coolest guy I thought and he I always thought this guy was going to be a much better player but you know at the middle of his career he wasn't as good but he did play for the Dodgers Eric Davis I just was like this guy's the coolest guy I've ever seen play baseball he could run he could hit for power he could take balls away in center field

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like guys like that don't seem to play baseball anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They they may play another sport.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They may go play basketball or or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like who's an Eric Davis of today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if we have one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was just like just this guy who.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just didn't even like it wasn't even big.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was kind of like long and lean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but I do hit the hell out of the baseball powerful guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't I don't see any air.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Davis isn't today's game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I can't think of anyone off the top of my head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like you said, Lucas, that's why he stands out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the African American population has taken a big hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know, I know Deon Sanders have this wacky theory, whether or not it's there's any validity to it, but he said it's because, you know, fathers are not taking their kids to the games anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not playing with, they're not playing baseball with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he did say something interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: to be a perfect to make an invisible, it's an investment that's very expensive very early on, you know, taking them through the minor leagues and all that, or not minor leagues, little leagues and then park leagues and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's expensive, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, whereas if you want to ball up, you just go, you just go catch a pickup game somewhere, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You could get good that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, so that was his point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why we're not seeing a lot of African American players anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And his kids, they played football, they didn't play baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, yeah, one of the things I remind me about Eric Davis is, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, we don't see anymore is the wacky batting stands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't see those anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Eric Davis had a had a very unusual and where he would hold the bat down by his hips.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he wouldn't do, he was not like down here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he would do like a little swivel and then he would pick it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but Gary Sheffield has got to have the all-time wackiest batting stands ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're all, they all look the same nowadays, but that's because these coaches, these coaches, they want them to have a certain stance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what is one of your favorite all-stirg?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you watch the whole all-stirg game this year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched it the first year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched it the first year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched the first four, I watched the first four innings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I did something else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I saw the nationally had a giant lead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, OK, finally they're going to win this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I come back and I was like, wait, the game was tied.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What happened?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they did this crazy home render be hit off thing to win it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't even have memories of particular Austin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They all beat together because when I was growing up, it was always the same guys that would make it every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I would mark out for the little guy that got an invitation back in the day for the people that don't know because I don't think it's like this anymore because there was a lot of bias.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But back in the day,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the fan voting, it's always been the fan voting gives you the starters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But back in the day, the coaching staff would select the reserves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was an MLB, it was the coaching staff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's like that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what happens was that you have, although all those years at Bobby Cox would make it to the World Series, you had a bunch of brave speed in the All-Star game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was unfair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you have like the Jeff blousers of the world being all stars is like this, you know, so so they changed it to where MLB selects all the reserves now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that's always been cool about the All-Star game is that you had a player from your team no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think it's with other sports.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, like the like the NBA all star game they only have like twelve players so you can't even you know, you can't even get get one and then the probal who even I don't even know how the probal even works it did play flight football now or something But so what would happen is like I went to nineteen eighty four all star game

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think my dad bought like a weekend ticket plan for the giant so this is a season where they lost ninety some odd games and what one of the things is if you buy the ticket plan then you get a chance to buy the all-star game ticket so we went and I remember very clearly it was so windy that my dad had just bought a brand new giant's hat

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's wearing it and as we get to our seats, the wind takes the hat off his head and it was gone for good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I remember that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But here's, this is what this game is famous for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just looked it up to make sure I was a hundred percent sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll like this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in, I don't remember, well, I think it's maybe the fourth and the fifth inning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Fernando Valenzuela is pitching in the fourth inning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: strikes out Dave Winfield, Reggie Jackson in George Brett, three in a row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then Dwight Gooden replaces him and Dwight Gooden was only nineteen at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Dwight Gooden strikes out Lance Parrish, Chet Lemon and Alvin Davis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the two of them together struck out six AL all stars in a row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the NL one, the NL was always winning back then when when I was growing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that is like my

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[SPEAKER_01]: biggest memory because, you know, I was there, but the like early when in my fandom, the giants weren't good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I saw, you know, in in nineteen eighty five, the giants lost a hundred games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Scott Gerell says they're one all star and he's like they're closer and he's not even that good of a closer and I was like, oh, like, that's our guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he plays and then you know start to get better and you get to see what Clark and we'll Clark starting in the all-star game was such a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh wow, we got a guy who finally was able to start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the all-star game to me was just having representation of your team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when the giants got better like, you know, nineteen ninety three at Camden.

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[SPEAKER_01]: bit that's Barry's first year and I think you know he's the top vocator and he's like that's like he's the star and he like I think he triples and like his first step at and so by then you know you're like okay these are my guys and the giants are actually good but yeah as a kid it would just be the representation Bob Brenley and Chilly Davis and Jeffrey Leonard and Chris Brown not the singer Chris Brown with his third basement named Chris Brown

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[SPEAKER_01]: and those guys just making the team I would get so fired up and I would watch because they you know they weren't starting they were replacement and so it's getting you're getting like the fifth six and you're like oh man is you know fatless sort of gonna like put these guys in or he's not going to put them in because their giants players like that's kind of the thing well that was only that was only in nineteen eighty nine because that's the only time that the sort of managed when you were coming up that would be on these guys were on their coaching staffs and stuff so

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but yeah, that was that's what the all-star game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's when it really meant something to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would record the games and I'd record the home render bees and I would just have them on video tapes and just pop them in every once in a while and you know just watch the old players and the old lineups I remember at the eighty four all-star game I actually took score I kept score for about four innings or something and so I I had that with me for for a long time

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the traditional way of keeping score.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in the box.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So with me, I'm with you like again, they all kind of bleed together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what it is to is that it was it was the game where you're not going to see a lot of like exciting moments in the game because they don't want to get hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, the all star game is more representative of just

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[SPEAKER_00]: being in awe of seeing all these great superstars together at a time where you wouldn't see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now with Italy, play you see that all the time, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But back then, I mean, you're seeing like, put your Rodriguez and Sandy, all of them are Junior and Wade Boggs, you know, they're in the, you know, and you see them kind of like interacting with each other and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as a kid, I never got to really see the American League guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just awesome, like it was like, oh, shit, it wasn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um and like you said seeing some of the more like like the lesser known guys that were just having a good season that season like I remember it with me like I felt when my sharpest and made the all-star game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They was ninety two or ninety one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He he had a it was awesome for me because he was he was actually he was the only daughter that made it that year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, because we had such a horrible season in ninety two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when they, and when they introduced him, he had like one of those like Paulie dangerously phones, like remember those, and he, he says, from the Dodgers, Mike Sharp, and, and he's, he's calling his mom on his phone while they actually have the camera on him, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just seen the Mike Sharpersons of the World Make, and unfortunately he would pass away like a year later in a car accident, but he was one of those guys, like you said, like those guys that just never get any recognition, they have one good season, and then they make it to the Oscar game, and that is one of their biggest highlights of their career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm nothing too that towards the end, when I was going into earlier adulthood,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like maybe like nineteen twenty years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I started getting frustrated because it was always the same guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was always that the two catchers are always going to catch his putt rod drinkers and sand the olomer journey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Wade Boggs, he had third base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was never going to be another star other than Wade Boggs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The offield was always Tony Gwyn, Barry Bonds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the American League, it was always King Griffin, Junior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the same guy's year in and year out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there came a point where I was like, you know what, I'm tired of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like give other guys the chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and so yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was kind of the memories of that era, but uh, but again, what's what the common thread here is that all these superstars, these guys were all superstars nowadays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't see these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Tony and Aaron judge are the only superstars now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's talk about, I have a list for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about the best players that that we've seen in our lifetime and we'll measure them against like a judge and an autony.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I actually pulled a list of when wins against replacement isn't necessarily the only statistic you need to look at, but it kind of gives you a nice little look back at the great historical season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we go, but I just, I'd put it at like, nineteen eighty five just because that's when I really started paying attention, but Ricky Henderson, guys like Ricky, guys like Cower of Can Jr.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were, from a pitcher standpoint, Roger Clemens and Pedro A. Rodd in two thousand before he got heavy into the juice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bonds, two thousand and one, he had a leaven point nine war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Randy Johnson, who we mentioned, each euro had a nine point two war in two thousand and four, pool holes, nine point seven and two thousand and nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone who we didn't mention, but kind of falls on a popularity scale in a way

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Trout, who was like an incredible player, who'd really still, I feel like never got the recognition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's always hurt, but when he was like the best player in the league, I feel like baseball was kind of struggling at marketing him and he never really got there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he was in with the angels who are very much like a small market team and they're always going to be in the shadow of the Dodgers, so that also hurt him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had a ton of the intro at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and and some others still struggling to make money they were they were never able to capitalize and market autonomy or trout as these two guys that you come and see you know once in a lifetime and yeah he's he's kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people here locally have written articles about him, like, because he kind of made a deal with the devil, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, okay, I'm gonna, I twelve years, three hundred million, but this is where I'm gonna be at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I'm never really gonna be competing for a championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And his legacy is never gonna be well known.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why known as it should be because he took the money to stay with that team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how there's been a lot of articles written about whether he made the right decision or not by doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, you know, his his bank account is is is cool with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's the that's the risk and signing as long-term deals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mokey bets your guy in two thousand and sixteen his war is starting year and we're talking MVP like seasons from him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bregman and Cody Belinger had a couple of really good seasons in the late twenty ten's and then show hot show hey comes in and he starts dominating show hey in judge and like I said, Akunia and now some of who last year was on the come up was Bobby with Junior.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I named a bunch of guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you were to describe like, you know, the best players you've you've ever seen in your lifetime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've mentioned King Griffey Jr.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a couple of times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when I was growing up, like the best hitter was Don Maddingley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was like the best hitter in the game, but then he had the back injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he was he had like the short shelf life as the best player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... George Brett kind of longevity cow rippkin longevity but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and two different positions, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Short stop and it's interfield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But King Griffith Jr stands out in a way because he came up marketed as the next big thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he kind of fulfilled that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to see him in single label because they came through San Jose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was with the San Bernardino spirit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that was kind of the things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to do double header.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Come watch King Griffith Jr play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was signing autographs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I got his autograph on like a

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[SPEAKER_01]: up a program or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then he barrel roll that second base into my guy, John Patterson, and they almost came to blows so then I scribbled out the griffy junior autograph.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so but like he's one of those guys who he came up and like people, you know, the the upper deck baseball card you circled in me, though, like that's going to be the next guy and he was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that, you know, how hard that is when when they point to finger at you as the next great player and then you actually become

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[SPEAKER_01]: The greatest player in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tony also had that label on him early on and he succeeded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's no better combined power and average on-base guy, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He and Judge are the two top guys, but who else would have been on your best players that you've ever seen list?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, like you said, King Riffy was my guy that that's no, there was strawberry was always that sentimental favorite because he was kind of like the first guy that I was exposed to and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, his career, you know, was in very, as far as being a super star and being productive, it wasn't very long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It really was from eighty four to ninety or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But a couple of guys that to me were consistent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think of consistency, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, ishero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ishero was always consistent in my eyes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and and Tony Gwen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tony Gwen was always consistent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Always the guy that was that was flirting with four hundred.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which was amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He used the entire field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't a five, he wasn't a five tool player by any means, because he was always a heavy guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't gonna steal bases, but he was a great defender.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything was, you know, a Tony Quinn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would have to say King of Virginia and Tony Quinn as my top two, throw it hero in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Frank Thomas was another guy that was very consistent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great, you know, great first baseman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Big dude for the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, big, this could have been a football player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so those would be the guys that I could think of coming up where like these are the greatest guys, the greatest ball players about time, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if we're gonna never bury bonds or even before the controversy, even when he was with the pirates, I was just never a very bonds, like I never really saw it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he wasn't very fan friendly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if we look at top twenty cumulative all time war, the only player in the top ten who comes from the time friend that you and I would have been watching is bonds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's ahead of Ruth and May's and Henry Aaron is fifth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then after you get to the top ten, A-Rod is at twelve and he also has the stairway bullseye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then you get to number fourteen and here's somebody who, I don't know if he even gets the credit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because similarly, I wouldn't call him necessarily a fan favorite, especially in his early days, was Ricky Henderson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ricky Henderson is fourteen

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[SPEAKER_01]: all time going by position players in war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Schmidt, who I don't think would have been on either of our list is like the best player you ever saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's nineteen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Poo holes is twenty if where would you I would say that judge and show hey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have judge and show hey now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're we're fast forwarding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're expecting them to keep playing at the at a a very high level for the next five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like I would rather have their careers than, you know, than Mike Schmidt's career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mike Schmidt is a really good player, but I wouldn't consider him one of the greatest players I ever saw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but also, there's other variables we have to bring up in this conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them is charisma and the other one is marketing because, look at where these two guys are from, they're from New York and LA, the two biggest markets in the country.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're gonna get a lot of attention, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, because I was thinking back to King Griffin Junior, like he had a, that was a very charismatic guy, you know, having the batting practice with the hat backwards and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, for a very impressionable teenager, like that, you know, that spoke to me, you know, just the way he carried himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got a lot of, he got a lot of kids in trouble and little league too, because they wanted to wear the hat backwards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you had the coaches saying, no, turn your hat around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's what they were doing it because it was cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was cookers, King Griffith did it, you know, and and he's one of those guys that's always been he's the opposite of very bonds the guy he's always super humble like they they interview him even to this day, you know, he's he always puts the other guys over and it's it's to me the the tragedy of King Griffith Jr is that he paid at the kingdom of those years and he really fucked up his ankles and it was never really the same because when he went to the reds he just never really it was never really the same after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Interestingly, also not a weight lifting guy, really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He and will Clark to two really, really great hitters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they weren't way lifting guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't like the way that, you know, the musculature chain, they thought it was going to change their swing and such.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our junk crew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you could tell with John.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so I really think that that location of where you play and charisma has a lot to do with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a factor there that really makes us keep these guys in our own mind more so than like a very large and for example, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like very large and was also a great ball player, but he was a very quiet kind of subdued guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that has a lot to do with it in this conversation as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned a guy who would never be considered one of the greatest players because of the position he played.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for a long time Frank Thomas for a right-handed hitter, his ability to hit the ball to all fields, to hit the ball with power, to hit the ball for a high average end to walk a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he was he was a scary dude, but he's never gonna get the credit because he played first base any de-aged and he didn't really steal bases wasn't a great base runner in that sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So some of it is also like all around kind of players who I think we kind of look at like junior.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't junior didn't really steal a ton of bases, but you didn't think that he wasn't fast and athletic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is climbing up walls to take away home run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that plays bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know your anti bonds, but the thing about bonds, the Ian, and if we just look at the pre steroid era is he didn't have a strong throwing arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you also could not run on him because he was going to get to the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he had such great fundamentals that he was going to field the ball and release the ball faster than anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he had to overcome the lack of arm strength in that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also smart base runner, like just understood the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: really good hitter had a great eye wasn't swinging at pitcher's pitches was forcing pitcher's to come in and you know then he then he does get on juice and he just you know becomes like you know just becomes the incredible Hulk with all of those other other things that he could do but like also the athleticism forty forty like he did it after consecutive it but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think people, I think Barry, I think Barry had a couple of like a season early on in his career where he was over fifty stolen bases and less home runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, guys like that, you, I think he just gravitated to when it comes to like best play or ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of that is also just also winning gold gloves, also stealing bags or being fast runners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you would never consider like, well, Clark could never fit that because like, Jose can say, go, call them a three-toed sloth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you know, it's interesting you're going through this whole like with Barry Bonstein and that and to me that's the biggest tragedy of all he he I feel like he didn't need to go on the juice like he was you know, he I've never denied that he he's talented even even even the people that wanted to fan like the a rods the you know the Barry Bonstein their numbers they always tell you well the juice doesn't allow you to make contact with the boy that's still talent but but

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[SPEAKER_00]: regardless is to me it's more about the message, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked earlier about these young African American kids trying to get a role model like to me you're sending the wrong message when you're saying, well, I'm just going to cheat in order to be the best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's also to me it also upsets me and it really pisses me off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like for example, right now we have like a Cal Rally right who's got thirty nine home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's never gonna get seventy four nobody nobody like it's it's damn you're I mean, I say nobody you never know but but but it's so difficult and right now Had had very bonds not cheated We would have been having a conversation right now, and it's pretty cool to have a legitimate home run chase because three nine home runs by the break is gonna put you around mid sixties by by the end of the season And so I feel like very bonds robbed those of that forever pretty much like we're never gonna be able to have that conversation

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're also looking at this in the way of that players aren't cheating today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that's the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the drug testing is the drug testing is going to be as

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[SPEAKER_01]: aggressive or not for the marketing of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's just the case because you know you could probably be super stringent on this stuff and want to catch everybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but then if you catch the wrong person, then you're putting that in jeopardy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying people, I would assume just based on how sports work that there are people in baseball taking steroids today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, I agree with you, I'm a person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's part of the thing is you just don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was listening to a podcast with JT Snow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And JT Snow, JT Snow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He played with Barry in these years that you're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he said that the hardest part for him as an X player in keeping out the steroid guys is that he knows for sure that there are guys who are in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: who took steroids, they just didn't get caught or they didn't get the finger pointed at them for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's also part of the problem is that there are people who did it and who are getting away with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there are others who were so great that they got the finger pointed at them and they're like, oh, we need to find out what you're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're not gonna get in for what, you know, for that reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the thing about, and I told you, the Barry story, the reason why he did it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was because McGuire and Sosa became so popular and were the marketing engine for baseball and he's like I'm better than those guys like what the hell like what like I know what they're doing I'm still better than them and they're getting so much more now the part that he

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably still hasn't realized as a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just personality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he refused to give in on that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He refused to put anybody over as we would say for sure.

55:21.857 --> 55:44.072
[SPEAKER_01]: So that you know that that's part of the equation that he probably will never understand but you know he's he's talked about it in his in his past of watching how hard his dad had it and just being so distrustful of the media because he felt like the media sabotage his dad in a way by you know his dad struggling alcoholic as as when Barry was growing up and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they, they, that being publicized and, you know, his dad, I guess, to Bobby play for the Red Sox, but there was a thing with the Red Sox where Barry had, you know, when Barry was on top, he was like, yeah, I would never play for the Red Sox because the fans were so racist and Boston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said that before it was kind of cool to make fun of it in a fun way, but, you know, Bill Russell, same thing, played in Boston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bill, I didn't know this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bill Russell and Red Hourback,

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[SPEAKER_01]: had the jerseys change just to say Celtics instead of saying Boston because of how Bill felt about the city when he was playing so it's just stuff like that where you know it's kind of time in place and history and you never know how someone is feeling but the result is is that yeah Barry's always going to have these conversations where he will go nope he doesn't count because of what he did and now a rod to I got to see a rod play

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[SPEAKER_01]: very early in his career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very early part of in early play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Mariners come to town.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get to see each row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get to see a rod and back then.

56:51.945 --> 57:10.038
[SPEAKER_01]: A-Rod was kind of more like Ken Griffey than he would be the A-Rod that we know because he was young, he was handsome, he was exciting, he was really good with the media and then he turned into the A-Rod that we know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the same JT snow podcast he said when he went to the red, JT snow plate for the red socks for one year, he said when he went to the red socks and it's red socks Yankees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said something about a rod and all the red sucks players said, we don't use that name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We call them Alex.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And no one liked that guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No one liked a rod back then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of just interesting how that stuff changes and how, you know, you become, you're like the, the dandy of baseball and then all of a sudden, you become like one of the most hated players.

57:41.323 --> 57:43.084
[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that, so now, what, judge in Otani,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They got to be, they are climbing that list of greatest players that you've ever saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've ever seen, I'm guessing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they are already there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Altani is for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Aaron Judge, I mean, he's a great contact editor, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, I feel like they lost the world series last year, because of him, you know, he started that that error really started the ball rolling for us to come back and win it all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, I think I think right now I'm very fortunate to see in my eyes the greatest baseball player that ever lived in Old Tony.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a five-to-player right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even was six-toe because he could pitch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't really play defense these days because he is solely a DH.

58:37.221 --> 58:40.443
[SPEAKER_01]: But I imagine if he didn't pitch

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he really wanted to be a good outfielder.

58:43.824 --> 58:48.867
[SPEAKER_01]: He would have been a really good outfielder or even a move to first base, which maybe he may do later in his career.

58:48.907 --> 58:50.508
[SPEAKER_01]: Like he could he could total.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I sense that he is a good enough baseball player to have been defensively a positive on the baseball field, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was that noise coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hold on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be right back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me mute myself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sounds like, uh, Draven is, uh, sounded like there was something going on with the traffic.

59:19.094 --> 59:24.636
[SPEAKER_01]: Like someone was just like leaning on their horn or something in his background, but he's he's going to figure that out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so I wanted to go back to this list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what I did is I separated the top thirty positional player wars of all time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know who comes at at twenty seven of all time positional player war and you got to see this guy for a lot of his career Adrian Beltre Yeah, I mean he's easily he's another guy that was just phenomenal He's a guy that we should have kept I don't know why we didn't but you know that also we've made a lot of mistakes like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but he was great.

01:00:00.302 --> 01:00:02.203
[SPEAKER_00]: He just he just spent all his career with the

01:00:03.241 --> 01:00:05.262
[SPEAKER_00]: with small market teams.

01:00:06.042 --> 01:00:07.563
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's another guy that goes into the radar.

01:00:07.583 --> 01:00:12.725
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's do the show hey in Barry thing.

01:00:12.745 --> 01:00:18.447
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how you're going to eliminate the bias like you said, but if you look at

01:00:21.595 --> 01:00:46.242
[SPEAKER_01]: the Barry that you saw in his prime and now you're able to watch show hey in his prime two left handed hitters like comparing contrast like what you see from from show hey and what you saw from Barry because I just think the what the when when you have those great great players like judge and show hey

01:00:46.742 --> 01:01:14.638
[SPEAKER_01]: the sound off their bat is just different and you can see like he hooked one in the all-star game and it was like a pitch that was like almost like at his eyes and he but he knew that he was going to give himself one shot to try and hit the ball five hundred feet and he hooked it foul but he had a laser and I'm just like man the hand-eye coordination and the reflexes and the quick twitch muscles

01:01:15.919 --> 01:01:35.716
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I've seen it since Barry and there've been, there've been fantastic hitters over the years, but those are two guys maybe ever that I've seen with my own eyes where I just see the ability to basically do anything they want, power and contact.

01:01:36.717 --> 01:01:37.998
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, they're going to strike.

01:01:38.038 --> 01:01:43.203
[SPEAKER_01]: I show, show, hey, probably strikes at a little bit more than I would like, but to see, well, if,

01:01:44.362 --> 01:01:49.406
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see him strike out every time, but from like that great player, I feel like he does.

01:01:49.566 --> 01:01:50.187
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you go.

01:01:50.327 --> 01:01:55.091
[SPEAKER_01]: From that great player perspective, but part of it is what you said, which is the way that they teach hitting today.

01:01:55.111 --> 01:02:03.278
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Barry had a lot of, Barry had some heavy strike out years, but he as he got older, he didn't really strike out barely at all.

01:02:04.299 --> 01:02:07.321
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, comparing contrast, those guys, because I think it's a

01:02:08.362 --> 01:02:12.585
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think people realize because baseball is a little bit less popular nationally.

01:02:13.026 --> 01:02:18.069
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they realize how good of an all-time player, show hey, Otani.

01:02:18.149 --> 01:02:22.752
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, in ten years, they're going to look back and go, okay, he's a top ten player of all time.

01:02:23.073 --> 01:02:25.414
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think people look at him like that right now, though.

01:02:26.555 --> 01:02:28.296
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, locally, obviously, we do.

01:02:28.376 --> 01:02:29.857
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're talking about that again.

01:02:31.278 --> 01:02:34.441
[SPEAKER_00]: My lens is filtered different than yours is because locally, I mean,

01:02:35.473 --> 01:02:40.217
[SPEAKER_00]: You can go past a couple miles and you'll see a mirror of the guy all over the city.

01:02:42.618 --> 01:02:46.081
[SPEAKER_00]: But to answer your question, yeah, I think it's two different areas.

01:02:46.141 --> 01:02:48.543
[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, I know I was in a sound like a cop-out, but that's the truth.

01:02:48.903 --> 01:02:49.804
[SPEAKER_00]: Two different areas.

01:02:51.425 --> 01:02:53.707
[SPEAKER_00]: Barry Bons was coming up on the time where

01:02:54.487 --> 01:02:59.290
[SPEAKER_00]: you didn't have more than maybe a couple of guys that would hit a hundred.

01:03:00.691 --> 01:03:04.533
[SPEAKER_00]: As far as pitching, I mean, he came at a time where it was more about finesse.

01:03:05.534 --> 01:03:09.516
[SPEAKER_00]: So that means that he had to learn how to protect a plate different than show how he did.

01:03:09.876 --> 01:03:11.997
[SPEAKER_00]: Because show how Tony is all about velocity.

01:03:12.618 --> 01:03:19.462
[SPEAKER_00]: He's thinking about velocity, whereas Barry Barnes is more about finesse and working the corners and the off-speed stuff.

01:03:21.723 --> 01:03:25.652
[SPEAKER_00]: So I really, really admire the way Barry Barnes would protect the plate.

01:03:25.912 --> 01:03:26.794
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was different.

01:03:27.155 --> 01:03:29.360
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything down and then it was gone.

01:03:29.540 --> 01:03:31.304
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything down and then gone.

01:03:33.470 --> 01:03:37.192
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's interesting too, because you said, you're comparing these two guys peak periods.

01:03:37.712 --> 01:03:39.413
[SPEAKER_00]: But Barry Bons had two peak periods.

01:03:39.893 --> 01:03:51.218
[SPEAKER_00]: He had the one where the more natural one where he started and you see that if you see his numbers, his numbers start going down a little bit as he's turning three, three, thirty, four years old.

01:03:51.338 --> 01:03:52.499
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't get hurt, too.

01:03:52.839 --> 01:03:54.040
[SPEAKER_01]: He was constantly

01:03:55.500 --> 01:04:01.285
[SPEAKER_01]: He couldn't play the same speed game as he got older, and I'm sure that played a part of it.

01:04:01.405 --> 01:04:07.950
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then all of a sudden, his numbers start to go up again as he's going into his late thirties, and you're thinking, what's going on here?

01:04:09.612 --> 01:04:12.274
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he really had two peak periods.

01:04:13.234 --> 01:04:19.019
[SPEAKER_00]: The first peak period is the one where he was a five-two player in my opinion, like you said, he could run for power, speed.

01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.821
[SPEAKER_00]: He could hit for power, I should say, he's a good-fielder.

01:04:23.782 --> 01:04:27.923
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yeah, so he really knew how to protect the plate well.

01:04:28.543 --> 01:04:39.625
[SPEAKER_00]: He also had more walks because A at that time it was more of a strategy and B because we have two other MVP's behind show hey, show hey doesn't get a lot of walks, you know?

01:04:39.925 --> 01:04:43.986
[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you gonna walk show hey, were you gonna walk into MOOC, you're Freddy Freeman, it doesn't make any sense.

01:04:44.506 --> 01:04:48.507
[SPEAKER_00]: So, so, so Barry Barnes per capita had a ton of walks.

01:04:48.547 --> 01:04:52.108
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he leads the all time is a leader in walks.

01:04:53.168 --> 01:04:56.549
[SPEAKER_00]: And then according to him, because remember, this guy doesn't put anyone over.

01:04:57.289 --> 01:05:01.190
[SPEAKER_00]: He said that because they asked him about autonomy and he's like, well, it's a different time.

01:05:01.910 --> 01:05:05.211
[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting more at back than I would because I would either get walk or they would hit me.

01:05:05.331 --> 01:05:07.051
[SPEAKER_00]: Like they would just hit me to put me on first.

01:05:07.592 --> 01:05:11.633
[SPEAKER_01]: So he was where that big member, the big ol' armor, the big ol' elbow thing.

01:05:12.853 --> 01:05:16.714
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they don't really walk autonomy that much, you know?

01:05:18.645 --> 01:05:24.048
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think as far as consistency, again, I would have to go with bonds.

01:05:24.128 --> 01:05:32.914
[SPEAKER_00]: I think on Tani, he just goes out, he swings, he gets the green light weight to me more times than I'm comfortable with.

01:05:33.574 --> 01:05:36.116
[SPEAKER_00]: And he'll take hacks that are nowhere near the plate.

01:05:37.877 --> 01:05:39.038
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that hurts him.

01:05:39.158 --> 01:05:41.179
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas bonds, I feel was more disciplined.

01:05:42.048 --> 01:06:00.957
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think I think Tony went deep again today, by the way, you guys are tied three to three with the brewers, but yesterday hit like a three hundred and sixty foot bomb today, he, he just like kind of he just threw his hands out and hit one over the left field wall like wall scraper, but

01:06:01.237 --> 01:06:10.006
[SPEAKER_00]: One another thing to that I wanted to mention when you're talking about just the son of the bat, one of the newer metrics is the bat speed, right?

01:06:10.046 --> 01:06:17.393
[SPEAKER_00]: They now they're measuring bat speed, bat velocity, because every time you get these guys here, the theme about MLB nowadays, that's a little annoying.

01:06:17.713 --> 01:06:23.056
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember that I think was this year's Royal Rumble where they had all those stats down there and it was like it was just too loud, you know?

01:06:23.416 --> 01:06:25.698
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing with the MLB now.

01:06:25.718 --> 01:06:28.019
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like they're constantly throwing stats at you.

01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:38.965
[SPEAKER_00]: Every time a guy hits a home run, you're getting like five or six different stats of that home run, how far it went, the bad speed, you know, all the end is like, yo, just let me enjoy the game, you know?

01:06:38.985 --> 01:06:40.766
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to know all that stuff.

01:06:41.746 --> 01:06:57.753
[SPEAKER_00]: But that's one of the reasons why it sounds different these guys have this incredible superhuman bad speed man where there aren't just you know and and so I could see why there's a reason why it's not our minds just being fans like tripping all it makes a certain sound there

01:06:58.453 --> 01:07:01.875
[SPEAKER_00]: Because these guys swing creates that song, you know?

01:07:03.136 --> 01:07:15.745
[SPEAKER_01]: And we have to talk about the other thing that Otani has that makes him just so different from anybody else that we've seen is he was also a near-sai young award winning starting pitcher.

01:07:16.165 --> 01:07:17.886
[SPEAKER_01]: Now we'll see how the Dodgers use him.

01:07:18.747 --> 01:07:25.091
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the most he's gone is three innings so far since he's come back from his second time.

01:07:27.157 --> 01:07:48.551
[SPEAKER_01]: but did just the fact that he can be your number one starter and your best hitter is amazing and like that is something that I don't think people will really really wrap their minds around until later in his career and then you know there'll be lots of stuff especially as he goes into the Hall of Fame and stuff but that is the most incredible part to me.

01:07:51.154 --> 01:07:59.584
[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, do you think this is going to affect based by like more people are going to want to become like dual players like that like pitching and hitting.

01:07:59.604 --> 01:08:02.688
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's I think it's hard.

01:08:03.849 --> 01:08:11.518
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think people are going to attempt it, but it's so hard to do because when it comes to player development.

01:08:12.702 --> 01:08:18.349
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the good part about show hey, as he was already developed when he came to the to the major league baseball.

01:08:18.409 --> 01:08:20.131
[SPEAKER_01]: He was already great.

01:08:20.892 --> 01:08:25.658
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just him getting used to the differences in the in the American game.

01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:31.225
[SPEAKER_01]: But when you have these young players and they're going through development like the giants drafted a kid.

01:08:32.055 --> 01:08:49.679
[SPEAKER_01]: name Regic Crawford and he is a late first round pick so he wasn't like a top five prospect or anything but he threw in the high nineties and he was a left handed hitter who hit bombs and so you're like oh I could he be the next show hey and very early they were like look

01:08:51.240 --> 01:08:52.140
[SPEAKER_01]: We drafted you.

01:08:52.661 --> 01:08:55.121
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to let you do some of this because we said we would.

01:08:55.781 --> 01:09:17.027
[SPEAKER_01]: But your upside is as a picture and we're going to develop you as a picture because if you develop him as both, you kind of splitting the time right there and their eyes they're like, well, we could give you a hundred percent of time as a picture and you will develop in the way that we want or we split it fifty fifty and maybe you don't get there in either way.

01:09:17.387 --> 01:09:20.268
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're kind of wasting your capability.

01:09:20.769 --> 01:09:23.235
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just think it's so hard for the young players.

01:09:23.316 --> 01:09:24.780
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you have more

01:09:25.739 --> 01:09:32.801
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I think it would it probably would take a player who was doing it at a high level on an international scale.

01:09:33.201 --> 01:09:36.242
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the ways and I think because of the development piece of it.

01:09:36.302 --> 01:09:36.522
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:09:36.862 --> 01:09:37.062
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:09:37.182 --> 01:09:38.282
[SPEAKER_00]: So he has that resume.

01:09:38.302 --> 01:09:39.022
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, I could do it.

01:09:39.062 --> 01:09:42.663
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been developed and like like like Old Tony, Old Tony was able to play.

01:09:42.703 --> 01:09:49.205
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just in Japan being a hero and a picture and he was able to come to this country and and continue to be a hero in a picture.

01:09:50.105 --> 01:09:54.106
[SPEAKER_00]: Also he he ended up with the angels which tend to have a very loose like

01:09:54.566 --> 01:09:57.627
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not really, you know, too involved in that kind of stuff.

01:09:57.807 --> 01:09:59.007
[SPEAKER_01]: And it was hard of the deal.

01:09:59.067 --> 01:10:00.267
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he chose them.

01:10:00.327 --> 01:10:02.888
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, you can do whatever the hell you want.

01:10:03.588 --> 01:10:13.650
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when he became a free agent, like, what team who wanted him was going to say, no, we're not going to let you also pitch.

01:10:13.710 --> 01:10:15.431
[SPEAKER_01]: We only want you to focus on hitting.

01:10:15.791 --> 01:10:19.451
[SPEAKER_01]: No team was going to say that because then he would across them out immediately.

01:10:19.531 --> 01:10:21.352
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why the Dodgers

01:10:22.333 --> 01:10:24.881
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I think it was the blue Jason, the giants.

01:10:25.442 --> 01:10:28.893
[SPEAKER_01]: They were right there because they were willing to match.

01:10:30.127 --> 01:10:36.693
[SPEAKER_01]: the numbers of the contract and give him kind of cart blanche in everything that he's currently doing.

01:10:36.733 --> 01:10:52.306
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, some of that was that the translator guy who got caught stealing from him, you know, but anybody, you know, anybody who wanted him, you would go back and say, of course, you could do whatever you want because you look at the output that the guy gives you.

01:10:52.646 --> 01:10:54.488
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just one of the greatest players of all time.

01:10:54.508 --> 01:10:56.629
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think when it's all said and done with his career,

01:10:57.410 --> 01:11:11.262
[SPEAKER_01]: He is going to be on that list of, you know, who are the, when, when you and I are growing up, we heard Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Hank Aaron, like, oh, those are like the tippy tippy top.

01:11:11.802 --> 01:11:18.188
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think people who grow up after Showcase career's over, I think he's going to be on those lists.

01:11:18.388 --> 01:11:21.351
[SPEAKER_01]: And I told you I was at the, the Hall of Fame recently.

01:11:22.995 --> 01:11:26.277
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of the stuff at the Hall of Fame was like, okay, this stuff is cool.

01:11:26.317 --> 01:11:39.005
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, but I already know all of this stuff, but when you go see the plaques and you go through the history of baseball from the very first Hall of Fame crew all the way to the current ones.

01:11:39.025 --> 01:11:42.488
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you're going through so many players and one like, oh my gosh, I forgot about this guy.

01:11:43.008 --> 01:11:45.830
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you see, oh, Nolan Ryan, I told somebody

01:11:46.890 --> 01:11:49.993
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought I was there and he's like just take a picture of the Nolan Ryan plaque for me.

01:11:50.013 --> 01:12:08.230
[SPEAKER_01]: I was like okay, I'll take a picture of Nolan Ryan, but going through all of those guys That was like Okay, this was why I'm still such a fan because of all of the guys who paved the way and created this history of the game at that part I said when you saw Scott Roland's name on there because that was an interesting one

01:12:10.677 --> 01:12:34.134
[SPEAKER_01]: there are a couple people like that in recent memory because of the analytical slant that you talked about because you're measuring things you're measuring value in a different way than you did back then so yeah very walk right there is another one that I don't know if you get sin without the analytics yeah yeah for sure but you know then again I'm sure there are guys who got overlooked because of

01:12:35.154 --> 01:12:38.995
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't play in the biggest market or they weren't the fan favorite or whatever.

01:12:39.035 --> 01:12:40.175
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so all right.

01:12:40.195 --> 01:12:43.816
[SPEAKER_01]: So last thing and again, you're going to have to sell a little bit here.

01:12:43.836 --> 01:12:58.419
[SPEAKER_01]: I asked you to come up with a couple of giant players who of course you didn't like you didn't hate, but maybe there was a little bit of a fear and respect because of of how they they

01:12:59.379 --> 01:13:00.720
[SPEAKER_01]: play against your team.

01:13:00.740 --> 01:13:09.184
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I have two special two specific ones, but they're from when I was a young kid versus, you know, versus today's.

01:13:09.424 --> 01:13:11.465
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll give you the first one for me.

01:13:13.226 --> 01:13:14.387
[SPEAKER_01]: Pedro Guerrero.

01:13:15.754 --> 01:13:18.835
[SPEAKER_01]: I always thought now, again, I have to hate this guy.

01:13:18.855 --> 01:13:20.976
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought he was so cool.

01:13:21.396 --> 01:13:26.277
[SPEAKER_01]: He just looked like a cool dude standing very tall and upright when he was swinging.

01:13:26.497 --> 01:13:30.119
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, he wasn't a great, great player, but he was a really good player for you guys.

01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:31.179
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:13:31.359 --> 01:13:38.401
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just liked his helmet, the way he wore, the helmet, the way he wore, the batting stance and everything.

01:13:39.082 --> 01:13:39.862
[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought, okay.

01:13:40.602 --> 01:13:43.483
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Steve Garvey, I hate that guy.

01:13:44.063 --> 01:13:48.884
[SPEAKER_01]: Even though he was a little bit before my time as a baseball fan on the Dodgers, he would have been on the podries at that.

01:13:48.965 --> 01:13:59.048
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think about those Ron say and, you know, those Dodgers teams and who who is the pitcher's before Fernando.

01:13:59.068 --> 01:14:03.309
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, Don Sutton and guys like that.

01:14:03.329 --> 01:14:05.710
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was like, those guys are like so boring.

01:14:05.730 --> 01:14:06.810
[SPEAKER_01]: There's no very routine.

01:14:07.565 --> 01:14:10.389
[SPEAKER_01]: but Guerrero had some flavor to him.

01:14:10.449 --> 01:14:17.398
[SPEAKER_01]: He was kind of cool as I go, okay, I can kind of dig with this guy even though, you know, he was pretty fiery and he beat the giants too.

01:14:17.578 --> 01:14:19.361
[SPEAKER_01]: But that would be the first one that comes to mind.

01:14:20.612 --> 01:14:20.972
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:14:21.032 --> 01:14:22.213
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, we're going back and forth.

01:14:22.413 --> 01:14:24.093
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just if you have one or two.

01:14:24.454 --> 01:14:29.936
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was going to be a Dick and say they've Roberts, but I'm not going to do that.

01:14:30.476 --> 01:14:33.537
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to, I'm going to go with, uh, with a Matt Williams.

01:14:33.998 --> 01:14:35.498
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll do it.

01:14:35.538 --> 01:14:36.278
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that guy.

01:14:36.298 --> 01:14:37.399
[SPEAKER_00]: I always respected him.

01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:45.685
[SPEAKER_00]: When I was a kid, it always taught me how that he would lick his sleeve whenever he would be getting ready to bat, which is fucking weird, but that was his thing.

01:14:46.585 --> 01:14:51.489
[SPEAKER_00]: No, just a very humble, and I was putting up the numbers at third base.

01:14:52.730 --> 01:14:56.092
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you guys lost him to the expansion, right?

01:14:56.232 --> 01:14:56.832
[SPEAKER_00]: That's when he left.

01:14:56.973 --> 01:14:58.133
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, actually, what happened?

01:14:58.193 --> 01:15:03.957
[SPEAKER_01]: And this is actually an incredible story because they traded him

01:15:04.978 --> 01:15:06.558
[SPEAKER_01]: for Jeff Kent.

01:15:06.818 --> 01:15:08.239
[SPEAKER_01]: There was more to that trade.

01:15:08.299 --> 01:15:15.860
[SPEAKER_01]: Essentially, it was Jeff Kent was younger and cheaper, and they needed a couple of pictures as well.

01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:18.321
[SPEAKER_01]: And Matt Williams was making a lot of money back then.

01:15:18.701 --> 01:15:19.801
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they traded him.

01:15:20.421 --> 01:15:28.963
[SPEAKER_01]: And when they traded him, giant fans considered that, like maybe the worst trade in team history.

01:15:30.204 --> 01:15:31.704
[SPEAKER_01]: And two years later,

01:15:32.682 --> 01:15:37.505
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say they went on to win the West in in ninety seven.

01:15:37.525 --> 01:15:38.966
[SPEAKER_01]: And so it paid off.

01:15:39.726 --> 01:15:41.287
[SPEAKER_01]: It took a couple of years, but it paid off.

01:15:41.787 --> 01:15:48.191
[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the early two thousands, late nineties, early two thousands, it really paid off because then he won the MVP that one year.

01:15:48.632 --> 01:15:51.073
[SPEAKER_01]: But he and Barry, like, didn't like each other at all.

01:15:51.093 --> 01:15:59.478
[SPEAKER_01]: Like Jeff Kent and Barry were always arguing and feuding and I think Barry, like grabbed him by his throat and the dugout one time and told him to shut up.

01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:06.744
[SPEAKER_00]: like each other because I remember seeing that on the news like they actually went out in the dugout.

01:16:07.004 --> 01:16:10.527
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but Matt's a good one and Matt's back with the giants.

01:16:10.567 --> 01:16:12.448
[SPEAKER_01]: He's the third base coach right now.

01:16:12.889 --> 01:16:17.813
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, because he was he's been a third base coach for a few clubs.

01:16:19.054 --> 01:16:22.356
[SPEAKER_01]: He was he was the manager when the Washington Nationals.

01:16:23.162 --> 01:16:34.209
[SPEAKER_01]: were the best team in the national league, but then the Giants beat them in twenty fourteen in the in the divisional round.

01:16:34.249 --> 01:16:37.371
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a divisional round because

01:16:38.372 --> 01:16:44.034
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that series very well because that was when Hunter Pence was doing the the yes chance.

01:16:44.335 --> 01:16:44.595
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:16:44.955 --> 01:17:02.082
[SPEAKER_01]: And Daniel Daniel Bryan, Brian Danielson came to AT&T or Oracle and he did the yes chance before one of the playoff games one that they lost by the way, but yeah, that was the the nationals like I think they won like a hundred games that year or something like that with Matt Williams as their manager.

01:17:06.934 --> 01:17:15.118
[SPEAKER_01]: He said he's like, I was actually on the field last year because my buddy, he is the radio engineer.

01:17:15.838 --> 01:17:16.939
[SPEAKER_01]: And so he got us a pass.

01:17:16.979 --> 01:17:21.141
[SPEAKER_01]: So I got to hang out in the booth with John Miller and Dave Fleming that answers.

01:17:22.122 --> 01:17:24.883
[SPEAKER_01]: And so we got on the field.

01:17:25.524 --> 01:17:32.768
[SPEAKER_01]: And we were just like not even close in Matt Williams was working with Matt Chapman and he was hitting him fungos.

01:17:33.855 --> 01:17:37.276
[SPEAKER_01]: That dude is intense and he still got these giant arms.

01:17:37.316 --> 01:17:40.757
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to be like in his early sixties at this point.

01:17:40.937 --> 01:17:43.498
[SPEAKER_01]: The giant arms just intense.

01:17:43.758 --> 01:17:47.219
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I swear that he was like mad, mad at us for being there.

01:17:47.259 --> 01:17:50.380
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think he was just, you know, coaching and doing this thing.

01:17:50.860 --> 01:17:53.180
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I just had that look like don't mess with me.

01:17:53.220 --> 01:17:54.341
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, you know, that vibe.

01:17:54.961 --> 01:18:01.883
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, John Miller does a great Vinnie or Vinnie, Vin Scully in personation.

01:18:02.721 --> 01:18:04.462
[SPEAKER_01]: But he does it in Japanese.

01:18:04.482 --> 01:18:08.606
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's on YouTube.

01:18:09.246 --> 01:18:12.589
[SPEAKER_01]: You listen to John Miller do Vin Scully.

01:18:13.149 --> 01:18:18.073
[SPEAKER_01]: Vin Scully is is one of the guys who everybody would respect like.

01:18:20.935 --> 01:18:38.349
[SPEAKER_01]: When the Giants played the Cardinals in eighty seven, I think Vince Scully was the NBC National announcer and my dad thought that that was the worst luck because he's like of course they got the Dodger announcer and he's going to be rooting for the Cardinals and then so he's like blaming Vince Scully on on some of the game.

01:18:38.389 --> 01:18:41.892
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not true at all because then Vince classic man.

01:18:41.992 --> 01:18:44.974
[SPEAKER_00]: He was even but also but also here's a thing about then.

01:18:45.985 --> 01:19:04.842
[SPEAKER_00]: his heart will always be with the giants and that's something that's something as daughter fans we all had to accept because he grew up with the giants I was just him and you know he'd never shut up about the polar grounds and this and that so so he was always going to be a giants guy regardless and he I think there's a he even said himself you know

01:19:06.013 --> 01:19:08.295
[SPEAKER_01]: So okay, so here's my second one.

01:19:08.335 --> 01:19:17.483
[SPEAKER_01]: And I know you said Dave Roberts, I'm gonna tell you before Dusty Baker became the Giants Manager.

01:19:18.577 --> 01:19:24.559
[SPEAKER_01]: I always thought he was cool because in, uh, so what I would, uh, because he speaks for his Spanish.

01:19:24.619 --> 01:19:25.479
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's cool.

01:19:25.819 --> 01:19:37.522
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the, but the early ESPN days when they didn't have all these sports, they would run a lot of these old video, uh, things where they show you all like the world series isn't stuff.

01:19:37.562 --> 01:19:46.124
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, I'm just a little kid and I'm home from school and there's nothing on TV and you start on ESPN and they would show the Dodgers versus the Yankees World Series.

01:19:46.964 --> 01:19:55.486
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you get to see Dusty, and I'm just like, this dude's name is Dusty, like Dusty Rhodes, like what is going on here?

01:19:56.166 --> 01:20:02.127
[SPEAKER_01]: And so then, you know, then you realize you're like, oh, then he was played for the A's at the end.

01:20:02.167 --> 01:20:05.888
[SPEAKER_01]: Then he came to the giants in like the last stint of his career.

01:20:05.928 --> 01:20:11.749
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, that's the dude who played for the Dodgers who I thought was like pretty cool because he just played

01:20:12.369 --> 01:20:12.649
[SPEAKER_01]: cool.

01:20:12.689 --> 01:20:13.710
[SPEAKER_01]: He was a cool dude.

01:20:14.450 --> 01:20:19.053
[SPEAKER_01]: He always had the toothpick and then and then he also had the same name as Dusty Road.

01:20:19.113 --> 01:20:25.336
[SPEAKER_01]: So when I was a kid, I just think Dusty Baker, because my dad would always say, what would my dad call him?

01:20:26.237 --> 01:20:29.819
[SPEAKER_01]: His real name is like Johnny B Baker or something.

01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:32.600
[SPEAKER_01]: And so my dad would call him by his government name.

01:20:33.461 --> 01:20:36.062
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, Johnny B Baker's like a really cool name.

01:20:36.082 --> 01:20:37.563
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, why did he go with Dusty?

01:20:38.403 --> 01:20:41.124
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, so like, I don't know for whatever reason.

01:20:41.164 --> 01:20:42.505
[SPEAKER_00]: We're baseball things.

01:20:42.545 --> 01:20:43.605
[SPEAKER_00]: Always guys have name names.

01:20:43.946 --> 01:20:44.186
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:20:44.326 --> 01:20:51.969
[SPEAKER_01]: I've, but I mean, you know the story that Dusty Rhodes became Dusty Rhodes because there was a giant's player from the player, the big pop there.

01:20:52.229 --> 01:20:55.250
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like the fifties are whatever his name was Dusty Rhodes.

01:20:56.831 --> 01:20:57.191
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:20:57.892 --> 01:21:05.835
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to go with, um, now when I say this guy's name, it was years later when I, okay, so I'm going to go with Kevin Mitchell.

01:21:07.305 --> 01:21:14.808
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I, when every inside some kind of cash that fly, fly ball with his hand, like I was like, I was all in on that guy.

01:21:15.409 --> 01:21:20.511
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, he was also part of the rowdy, eighty six metteam that went all the way.

01:21:21.011 --> 01:21:21.191
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

01:21:21.571 --> 01:21:35.938
[SPEAKER_00]: And I feel like all the guys that left that team, like, a dark good and strawberry Mitchell, uh, a Lenny Dystra, um, Keith Hernandez, uh, see you see how much of an impression that team had.

01:21:35.998 --> 01:21:36.358
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember.

01:21:38.119 --> 01:21:40.541
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember that did have you read the book on the on the eighties.

01:21:40.581 --> 01:21:42.523
[SPEAKER_00]: Darling, there's a whole bunch of book.

01:21:42.723 --> 01:21:43.284
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I haven't.

01:21:43.324 --> 01:21:45.226
[SPEAKER_01]: I want to read that great book on the eight.

01:21:45.266 --> 01:21:49.350
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a permanent book, but it's awesome.

01:21:49.630 --> 01:21:51.512
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all those stories that you're talking about.

01:21:51.592 --> 01:21:52.072
[SPEAKER_01]: They're in there.

01:21:52.733 --> 01:21:58.358
[SPEAKER_00]: But it was at eighty six months by, it seems like they spread that disease wherever a team they would go to.

01:21:58.878 --> 01:22:00.860
[SPEAKER_00]: They just have that cool factor to all of them.

01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:02.161
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they were all cool dudes.

01:22:02.581 --> 01:22:05.564
[SPEAKER_00]: And so when Kevin Mitchell went to the Giants, I think it was an eighty eight.

01:22:05.644 --> 01:22:06.344
[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it was.

01:22:06.364 --> 01:22:11.869
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to the Giants and late eighty seven.

01:22:12.409 --> 01:22:12.750
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:22:12.770 --> 01:22:14.651
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's first first season was eighty eight.

01:22:14.791 --> 01:22:14.952
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:22:15.732 --> 01:22:17.913
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he was another guy that was just cool man.

01:22:17.953 --> 01:22:20.875
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when they would play the Dodgers and I would see him on Foxy, Levin.

01:22:21.215 --> 01:22:25.618
[SPEAKER_00]: He would always be in the dugout with a big old smile and like, you know, shadow boxing and stuff.

01:22:25.638 --> 01:22:27.439
[SPEAKER_00]: He was just a guy that had a good vibe.

01:22:28.079 --> 01:22:29.320
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, good player, too.

01:22:29.480 --> 01:22:31.181
[SPEAKER_00]: Not not great player, but good player.

01:22:31.662 --> 01:22:32.562
[SPEAKER_01]: He wanted MVP.

01:22:32.962 --> 01:22:33.162
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:22:33.182 --> 01:22:34.103
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't win MVP.

01:22:34.463 --> 01:22:35.984
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the thing about Kevin Mitchell.

01:22:37.065 --> 01:22:38.646
[SPEAKER_01]: He's a, he was a street dude.

01:22:39.546 --> 01:22:40.227
[SPEAKER_01]: So like,

01:22:41.655 --> 01:22:46.838
[SPEAKER_01]: you didn't mess with them like just like one of those like don't mess with this guy kind of dudes.

01:22:47.819 --> 01:22:55.644
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he was like, um, he had like this really, he's not in this steroid conversation, but you know, I had my

01:22:56.504 --> 01:23:06.753
[SPEAKER_01]: thoughts about it because he went from hitting like twenty homerons to thirty homerons to like forty seven homerons like in a short span of time, but he also swung out of issues.

01:23:07.834 --> 01:23:08.755
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's good.

01:23:09.095 --> 01:23:21.346
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm going to put it I'll put over the two the two guys that you guys have now because show hey obviously I was a big fan before he just he's Japanese so I've known who he was for a while.

01:23:22.287 --> 01:23:29.890
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I part of him signing with the Dodgers that hurt my feelings was just like, I was like, I can never look.

01:23:29.910 --> 01:23:32.110
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like LeBron signing with the Lakers.

01:23:32.590 --> 01:23:36.572
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I can never look at this guy the same way that I want to ever again.

01:23:37.592 --> 01:23:39.073
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but the other one is moaky.

01:23:39.153 --> 01:23:39.893
[SPEAKER_01]: Those two guys.

01:23:41.312 --> 01:23:46.719
[SPEAKER_01]: Just just great baseball players cannot even really say a bad thing about them.

01:23:46.899 --> 01:23:48.301
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're just good dudes.

01:23:48.982 --> 01:23:56.591
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to put those guys over it of the current era, but there is one thing that Loki bothers me about.

01:23:57.712 --> 01:24:00.413
[SPEAKER_00]: and is the old wrestling, the old carnie wrestling in front of me.

01:24:00.914 --> 01:24:11.759
[SPEAKER_00]: So anytime anytime a team comes to town, you know, matter the team, including the podgers, including the giants, where Mookie does is that he gets one of the guys to do a podcast with.

01:24:12.039 --> 01:24:12.259
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:24:12.520 --> 01:24:15.341
[SPEAKER_00]: And he because he's got a podcast on I think it's on sports net.

01:24:15.801 --> 01:24:16.822
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's over here like,

01:24:17.642 --> 01:24:19.123
[SPEAKER_00]: in this intense rivalry.

01:24:19.524 --> 01:24:23.066
[SPEAKER_00]: And then like a day later, he's like talking to Fernando Tattis, you know what?

01:24:23.827 --> 01:24:24.788
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you get your clothes?

01:24:24.808 --> 01:24:28.110
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, bro, keep trying to keep some K-fade here, man.

01:24:28.871 --> 01:24:32.354
[SPEAKER_00]: That bothers me because because you know what it is, broma tell what it is to me.

01:24:33.558 --> 01:24:41.765
[SPEAKER_00]: It hits me home that these guys are like two millionaires that they don't, you know, they got their money and they're just having a good time and baseball just their job, you know?

01:24:42.306 --> 01:24:44.207
[SPEAKER_00]: And as a fan, I don't want to see that way.

01:24:44.267 --> 01:24:45.448
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't like the progress.

01:24:45.488 --> 01:24:49.532
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't be going, you know, or even the giants, because I think he didn't win with the dominance as well.

01:24:50.733 --> 01:24:58.500
[SPEAKER_00]: When they were in town and it's like, bro, like, just, you know, and they're talking about their families and their cars and I'm like, nah, people are okay, same point.

01:24:59.280 --> 01:25:02.541
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, no, but Mookie, he's when he's on his awesome.

01:25:02.561 --> 01:25:06.102
[SPEAKER_00]: He's had a bad year, but he's, you know, hopefully it is an off year for him.

01:25:07.082 --> 01:25:18.185
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like every time he did Dodgers need a hit like it's Mookie, he's and I, it's frustrating to me also that I just can't say bad word about the guy at same time.

01:25:18.785 --> 01:25:19.545
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's a good guy.

01:25:19.605 --> 01:25:20.425
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a really good guy.

01:25:20.445 --> 01:25:25.406
[SPEAKER_00]: This guy that I'm about to name right now was lights out every time he would come up against us.

01:25:26.927 --> 01:25:27.967
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a guy that

01:25:28.907 --> 01:25:41.613
[SPEAKER_00]: was to me he because he was with the giant somewhere on ninety two to one ninety six and he was like the first guy that I saw is like this is a closer this is like what a closer should look like and I'm talking about Rob back.

01:25:42.473 --> 01:25:49.957
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean he everything about this guy was awesome that his present he was like he was like John ten to where he looked like forty five but he was like twenty five

01:25:50.757 --> 01:25:57.021
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was what I would call like like one of the last old school grind me like ball players, you know what I'm saying?

01:25:57.802 --> 01:26:00.223
[SPEAKER_00]: We had that sweaty hat.

01:26:01.044 --> 01:26:02.965
[SPEAKER_00]: But he was a great closer man.

01:26:03.045 --> 01:26:04.166
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a great user.

01:26:04.186 --> 01:26:08.108
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe because he was good against us, like I'm biased.

01:26:08.148 --> 01:26:09.989
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you're thinking now he was actually not that good.

01:26:10.169 --> 01:26:13.131
[SPEAKER_01]: Forever for a few years he was he was great.

01:26:13.591 --> 01:26:13.772
[SPEAKER_01]: But

01:26:14.972 --> 01:26:37.199
[SPEAKER_01]: again you know like not a lot of these guys last forever and get like a curse shot you don't you don't get like he's one and a million kind of guy yeah brought back in the early nineties was awesome but then you know he got a little older and his and he was a drug guy if I remember correctly I think it was well I think that's how he died at yeah cocaine guys like a can come in any type but um

01:26:38.419 --> 01:26:39.019
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I remember it.

01:26:39.099 --> 01:26:45.260
[SPEAKER_00]: I was just every time let's say we're going into the ninth and it was you guys were winning three to two and this guy comes on.

01:26:45.320 --> 01:26:45.741
[SPEAKER_00]: It's over.

01:26:45.761 --> 01:26:49.481
[SPEAKER_00]: It might as well change the channel, you know, I'll be like finally superstar.

01:26:49.501 --> 01:26:52.022
[SPEAKER_00]: So wrestling is going to come on because this game's about to be over.

01:26:53.722 --> 01:26:56.823
[SPEAKER_00]: But because that was always the show that would get bumps.

01:26:56.883 --> 01:27:00.344
[SPEAKER_00]: Superstars of wrestling in my in my in my local market.

01:27:01.284 --> 01:27:03.524
[SPEAKER_00]: So so yeah, so I would go with Rob back.

01:27:03.544 --> 01:27:04.004
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great.

01:27:04.284 --> 01:27:05.445
[SPEAKER_00]: He ended up going to the cubs.

01:27:05.505 --> 01:27:06.005
[SPEAKER_00]: I think right.

01:27:06.045 --> 01:27:06.945
[SPEAKER_00]: That was the last.

01:27:07.185 --> 01:27:07.365
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:27:08.298 --> 01:27:16.188
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so if you want to hear a driven and I also do a podcast on my other channel, fake media.

01:27:17.288 --> 01:27:42.806
[SPEAKER_01]: when we'll get back in in a week or two to talk some a nineteen eighty four wrestling and and some current stuff too because you got to go to all in so I'll ask you all about that but you know that this is a blast for me because it I don't you know Brad and I when we do Thompson Clark we talk about some old school baseball every now and again but we're we're so focused on the current team so it's a blast for me to talk about the old days like to appreciate you coming on

01:27:46.238 --> 01:27:53.819
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so yeah, that is it for Mayor Brad and I will be back on Monday live streaming on YouTube and we'll have the audio up Monday night.

01:27:54.406 --> 01:27:59.467
[SPEAKER_01]: And then Brian and I will be back talking about the Valkyries in the upcoming few days as well.

01:27:59.507 --> 01:28:01.627
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, thanks for driving for hanging out with us.

01:28:02.368 --> 01:28:06.028
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll do this, you know, we'll do this a few times a season.

01:28:06.108 --> 01:28:09.949
[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to do it too often, but it is kind of a fun thing.

01:28:09.969 --> 01:28:20.571
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think this this rivalry, as much as you can call it a rivalry when we don't even play more than like twelve times anymore, still me, it's still, it's still real to us.

01:28:20.851 --> 01:28:22.972
[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, it used to be twenty four times a year.

01:28:22.992 --> 01:28:23.552
[SPEAKER_00]: I think no.

01:28:24.132 --> 01:28:25.554
[SPEAKER_00]: some like, well, they say a lot.

01:28:25.795 --> 01:28:26.976
[SPEAKER_01]: They split for sure.

01:28:28.258 --> 01:28:28.558
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:28:28.598 --> 01:28:28.939
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:30.661
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll see you in the rest of the one.

01:28:31.062 --> 01:28:31.282
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:28:31.463 --> 01:28:31.983
[SPEAKER_01]: We're driving.

01:28:32.023 --> 01:28:34.327
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm double G. We'll see when we see you piece out.