49ers 2026 NFL Draft Recap: De'Zhaun Stribling Reach, Romello Height Best Pick | We Want Winners

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are back on we want winners after the 49ers and the rest of the NFL completed the 2026 draft and first off I want to thank Rod for jumping on on a Saturday evening as my schedule was a little bit more crowded this weekend than I realized and we had a few minutes so we'll do a recap of the draft and I guess my first question Rod.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were in the discord, and by the way, Rod is given full-on like pick analysis, player analysis in the in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to talk 49ers in a very smart way, come through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a few of us, Robert Ramos is also in there, but it was kind of fun getting Rod's thoughts on what was going on as it was happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was in Dallas of all places during the draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So at least during the first round,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was kind of like in and out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was on a company off site.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't checking in all that closely, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we all kind of predicted, and maybe not even a prediction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we all kind of said, the Niners are trading down, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's just, it's just what it felt like from the beginning of the draft of like, you know, they were doing this thing where they're where, and I guess every team that trades down has to say this, which is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the player that we really like is probably going to be available, several picks down the road, and technically you do save some money if you draft somebody in the second round, who was a first round pick on your board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But were you at all surprised when the Niners traded down not once, but twice to completely get out of the first round of the draft?

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[SPEAKER_00]: was not surprised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would, what I do believe from what Lynne said, if I'm reading in between the lines, because I start, I thought first off, I thought, um, the Oregon safety didn't, Thineman would have been a great pick for us, but I just knew that there was no way that he would get past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think he'd

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't think he could pass the bears and I can't lie when he's sitting there and the bears run the clock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got everything crossed because I know that based on Buffalo and I guess you could somebody else theoretically could jump up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if he gets by the bears, we might actually

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[SPEAKER_01]: get the free safety we need and I'm pretty sure I'm almost positive that if he gets past the bears and he's there at 27 we don't trade that pick because it would be it would have been just too perfect but when that doesn't happen and he goes to the bears as most thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: there really wasn't any reason the players that had been linked to the 49ers at that point you could as easily if you got a trading partner and that was a great pick that they were able to get 33 if you've got that trading partner and you're able to get out of the first round but not

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, basically the first pick in the second round that absolutely you do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was a great move as I said in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a great move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that was a great move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By Lynch and staff, but as I said also now you got a nail those picks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so the pick, I think was it was a surprise for most, and now here's where my, I guess where my, not lack of faith, but you know, when they say that, you know, trading back and trading back because the guys that we love are going to be there, from everything that I've seen, the player who they, they did get, Dejan stripling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like he was going to be available even further down in the second round.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it looks like, you know, from everything that I've read and seen, the fit seems to be pretty solid for a wider seaver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's fast, and he blocks, which we know is, you know, is a big Kyle thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to be able to block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it sounds like most people thought he would be taken later than where they picked him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was your sense here when they actually did go dribbling?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well?

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[SPEAKER_01]: one I you you hit on something earlier that I want to talk about first before I talk about him is this thing that that our fan base does with giving John Lynch to benefit the doubt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This dude is dining out on picks that are six years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's dining out on

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could have picked Joe Nick Bosa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His best drafts are six years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you go, that 2020 draft was the last one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I did the review.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was a, he hit just about every pick in that 2020 draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if you, you know, Ken Law didn't do what we hoped he would do, but in my,

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[SPEAKER_01]: re-evaluation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The bar is really low.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All they have to do is sign the second contract above the minimal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't say anything about how they play, how much productivity, any of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So by that standard, all five of those pigs can law, IU, McKinvits, Warner, and Joanne Jennings, all got paid a second contract, which they identified the talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But after that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: 21 was horrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 22 was even worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, 21 is bad because you not only move, you know, gave all that capital away and traded trade, which we didn't get anything out of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was, it was, I don't have to, you know, 40 out of fans know what it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then, 22 is the Brock draft, which looks a lot better because of him, but the only two dudes that are still playing under still in the league, off of that team, are off of the out of that draft is Burford and Womack, and they signed, they both signed, resigned, or signed

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[SPEAKER_01]: if you go from 21 on, he hasn't done anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that leads me to be so why are we giving him the benefit of doubt at this point?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is, it's like a coin flip or worse with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, going into dribbling and again, you know as I

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[SPEAKER_01]: But other fans might not know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to get these, these, these men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good, good for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are in the NFL now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope they all turn out to be excellent NFL players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at your child scribbling, he has all the physical tools, and he's tough, any blocks, which is a benefit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then it's like the opposite of the other receivers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you look at cowling or Danny Gray or Watchins, he doesn't do any of the receiver things well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He catches okay, but he doesn't run routes, and that offensive Ole Miss,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did, he was not responsible for creating any separation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did, his route tree is really not existent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They played in the RPO and Lane literally, skeamed all of his looks open, which,

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[SPEAKER_01]: One might say, well, Kyle is that same kind of coach, which I don't agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't disagree, but you have to be able to run routes in the NFL against NFL, defensive coordinators and NFL corners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're, you're, you're whole, you're never going to be above a wide receiver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Three, if all of your looks, if you can't get your own wins,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're going to be a limited player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that if you look over this draft, that's what I see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see a bunch of limited upside players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of these dudes develop into starting players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think from a draft standpoint,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Be honest, how are you, by scientists, by scientists, went to the Cardinals one pick later and we get to see him twice a year for at least the next five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just really chaps my eye when, I guess I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to be a week one starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he's going to play a long time in NFL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it, they think that the value on Lyman is skewed, and they think they can find some inefficiency and draft in these dudes late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really a believer in this philosophy, because it ends up, you find for every culture, McKibits, you find you get a Daniel Berford and a, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: take brindle and we still don't know about Coney.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a great rookie season last year was mixed for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't agree philosophically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't agree philosophically with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with that philosophy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we are beyond the point where we can just say that he's John Lynch and he drafted George Kiddled nine years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he obviously knows what he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have not seen that the past five years in his free agent picks or his

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am, I'm underwhelmed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The consensus, you know, and take that for what is worth is that he was like the consensus was he describing was 76 on most on when you take the consensus of the rankings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, ESPN does it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was 76.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We took him at 33.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the fact that he could have been, they could have got him at

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[SPEAKER_01]: the next pick and maybe even the pick after that is frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, unless they thought that somebody else was on his tail and then that's why they dropped him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it just seemed a little weird because when you when you trade for that first pick of the second round and Lynch even said this after the first round was over,

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the draft board is literally yours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have, you can pick anybody left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so for them to pick somebody who probably was going to be there, maybe even by their next pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, that needs to be called into question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing about the draft though is when you finally get a kind of get a good

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[SPEAKER_00]: look at what the draft usually looks like it's not until like two years later really like I mean you can make some some guesses after the first year some guys just are not going to you know to be good and you can see that early but you need a couple of years to determine whether or not it was a good draft but by then the only thing anyone cares about is the draft

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[SPEAKER_00]: they really liked last year's draft and they still do like last year's draft because they still have players from last year's draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But by this time next year, are we going to be grading last year's draft and going like, oh man, you know, two years ago, lynched it this and and it didn't turn out or people just going to be looking towards the next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what's hard about draft grading, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That and that is I think that is the case with, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: with lunch is that nobody ever goes back and looks at what actually happened with those players that he picks and again we just cherry picking we think about oh Fred Warner they got him in the third round he's a great pick and that's that is a great pick but when you look at that draft it's like yeah that was a great pick that you got him

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the third round, but you draft a Dante Pettis 44 in that draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, it really does look like they're throwing darts and don't have any idea what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They got brought party in the last pick of the

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, and then after all of these guys, Clea Davis, you know, is what he is a rotational player, none of those guys hit except for Puri, and then what you're going to tell me is that's a great draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's a, he's a very good player and he can make your draft, but that's still factoring in that you signed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a massive contract with Perti and he's a proble player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a franchise quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That class still is a C minus or D plus draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you, when you, when it all shakes out in the wash, and I think that is the way you have to look at the draft and drafting in general is not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the success of them based on the outliers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, what the number one thing I'm looking for is that there is some sort of unifying principle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There should be, I believe, just as a business principle, there should be some kind of unifying principle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I go back 10 years, which is a pretty long time at this point,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should be able to identify some unifying principles in all of these picks that you make.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It speaks to now, again, I understand that that philosophy might grow over time, but ultimately, I should be able to tell what kind of players that you like or that you are drawn to by who you're picking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still have no idea what the hell but Lynch is really striving to do with any of his picks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, it's just really frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We look at, you know, and I agree that you really don't know about a draft until two or three years later, but you look at the 23 draft that that is where we're coming up on

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[SPEAKER_01]: As of yesterday, who have made any sort of market all in the NFL, no longer play for the 49ers, Jake Moody and D winners, no longer on the team, the only two we should mention that, okay, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right, I'm Jair Brown is still on the team, but he drank 61 out of 98 safety last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, he's hanging on by three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a retouching a rotational player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yes, but he winners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, what we will we mentioned in our preview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: at the end of the show, you made the note that he as a third linebacker is making a lot of money in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was this thought of the contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, that was kind of in my head.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when they traded him to the cowboys, I was like, yep, that's exactly what they were thinking as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've heard the flip side to the argument of trading D winners right now, which is

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're really making a big bet that Drake Greenlaw is 100% healthy and is going to play, you know, a lot of games in 2026.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or you're just making a bet that if he doesn't take them with them and Nick Martin at their cost can be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 70, 80, 90% of what the winner is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause they're ultimately back up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't, you just can't afford to carry nearly four million dollars at middle line back or three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it doesn't fiscally make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for the cowboys, I mean, you're not, they weren't going to draft anybody in the fifth round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's as good as the winners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they got a starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: four fifth round pick, which worked out for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was never going to be, um, the old 49ers were never going to win that circumstance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can, you could hope that you get a third or fourth for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But basically, you have to basically take what it, whatever it is, you're able to get because it was just an untenable situation to have him, um, at

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[SPEAKER_01]: middle linebacker three at nearly four million dollars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't happen when you look at the back of middle linebackers across the league, that's like double what more than double what the average back of linebacker makes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like two million dollars is the average.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're

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[SPEAKER_01]: almost double that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just, you know, when I saw that, it was just, it was a no-brainer that, um, coupled with that with the fact that they didn't have any day three picks, um, any, what they didn't have anything after the, the, the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the fourth round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it just made sense to me that that's something that they would have to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and good for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, now he gets to go somewhere and, you know, obviously, I've not rooting for the Cowboys necessarily, but, you know, I want all these to be successful and hopefully he'll play well and he'll get him a nice fat contract and, you know, hopefully, for our state,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tatum with noon and Nick Martin are ready to, well, first off, I hope Drake plays 17 games, which is probably, that's probably aspirational, but yeah, I think that's the math that's done is that you, you hope that green all plays, but then if he doesn't, that Tatum with noon

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, before we get to the second pick, which was their first third round pick, my favorite trivia note about dribbling is he's the nephew of the magnificent one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a big dog, Merakot's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is a little funny little funny thing that that I probably enjoyed me and George Kiddle probably enjoyed that one the most I really did and you know I thought I I always remember him as the magnificent one I didn't know that the rock was also in the camera.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is I didn't In

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the late 80s he got ridiculously jacked and they started calling the rock and he was coming out with Superstar Billy Graham he was coming out with the superstar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's go set.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go their next pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So round three, uh, number 70 from their trade with the Browns, uh, Romelo height, who's an edge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a little bit of a new style of player for the 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's six three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but 239 pounds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So essentially, he's just there to rush the pastor and, you know, not really a three-down guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, fast, I know, Dane Bruggler said that, you know, even though he is on the smaller end, kind of hard to block because he's got really good quickness and he said he called it sudden feet and active hands and so as a, you know, we, we knew, you know, we kind of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: made the prediction were like, as much as we'd like them to draft other positions more than likely their first few picks are going to be wide receiver and someone in the defensive line and that's exactly what they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think about height?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Smaller picks, he is my favorite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he is exactly what it is that we will obviously, you would want a three-down-edge who can, you know, who can pass the rest of the pastor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that guy wasn't available to us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you could make the case, there were only two of those guys, truly two of those guys, and they were at the top of the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that, um, height, not only, I mean, he fits what we have done here in terms of if you look at, um, what we had closed our eyes and envisioned Bryce Huff to be last season and who he was, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, for the first eight weeks or so, and then when you look at, particularly the draft picks that the Falcons made last year, they have a couple of those guys who were a little more well rounded and, you know, what I am hearing about height is that he is, you know, at this point, honestly, a little too small to give you anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in terms of setting the edge against NFL Lyman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But unlike Huff, apparently he does give you some stuff moving backwards and he can cover a bit whereas Bryce Huff, if you asked him to do anything other than rush the pass or it was you were on a fool's errand because he just wasn't equipped to do anything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess Huff gives you a little something in coverage that's how you try

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[SPEAKER_01]: want to deploy him, but there's making a mistake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's here to, you know, challenge the tackles upside shoulder, upside shoulder, and get pressure on the quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think he should be able to be between the scheme that we've run here before and now with the new defensive coordinator.

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[SPEAKER_01]: both have shown the ability to deploy these type of players effectively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think they, you know, in a team that, you know, shouldn't get any kind of pressure at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the moves with OSA and what we saw from my KL Williams on the inside and willfully both are back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then now somebody like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we've done a good job addressing a structural problem that we had last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they've done a good job on that front.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you go from a pick that, you know, you thought was was very good value.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody who they need, somebody who hopefully should just be able to fit in almost immediately

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[SPEAKER_00]: The number 90 was running back from Indiana, Kaelan Black, this pick

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[SPEAKER_00]: seemed to be, I haven't seen a single positive said about this pick from anybody, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the 49ers love to draft running backs in the third round, running backs who do not stick with the team, running backs who often are not even in the league after a few years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and he does kind of fit the description.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's an older 24 so he's almost 25 and as you said in the discord immediately when they drafted him because the thought is you have McAfrey and if we want to give him, you know, want to take a little bit of the pressure off of him and maybe get him through the season better, you may want somebody who plays a little bit more like him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kay Lomblack is not a receiving back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is kind of back to kind of a more single dimensional player and this one was really hard to kind of figure out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what did you think about this one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of those things where I said what I said and I stand by because watching we saw a lot of Indiana and we saw he just was a zero in the passing game and that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they didn't throw him the ball but you know I had people telling me that he caught the ball well and got the senior ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look man I was you know for those of you who remember the warriors back in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we had a player named Larry Smith and Mr. Me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a rebounder, Mr. Me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Larry Smith used to be there at warm ups and he would be hitting 20 flutters and 18 flutters all day long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had never happened in a game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, when you tell me that in practice this guy can do this thing, but there's no evidence on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on tape or in his statistical profiles, I'm going to have to lean on the fact that until he does it in with the lights on, I'm going to go here with my assessment that he can't do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just, that's just the way I look at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't tell me about what he was doing in practice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, you know, I don't care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's again, it goes back to when we talk about Lynch's track record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trace Armin, TDP, Kaylin Black.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has some, well, I guess he really didn't have really big shoes to fill at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he could just make the roster, well, I guess,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Both of them did make the roster, but they didn't really do much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but again, I think that he finds himself in a position where He's gonna have to really hustle to

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[SPEAKER_01]: to make this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that his, um, I don't believe that his spot is by all means guaranteed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just end then again, like he was another one kind of like scribbling who all the rankings say that he would have been there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at the end of the fourth round, maybe even into the fifth round of all the backs that were still there to be taken, the fact that they took him at that premium position is curious at best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you keep saying you you're saying Lynch Lynch Lynch and that it Lynch is technically the general manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We also know that he and Shanahan are probably make I don't know if they're making the decision together, but there's going to be a heavy Shanahan influence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in some cases Shanahan may be the one making the call.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shanahan also has a type and, you know, the idea of receiver is obviously kind of like a Shanahan thing, how much of Shanahan's influence do you think exists here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how closely do you think they're working together on this stuff?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I am, when I, when I say lynch, lynch, lynch, lynch, I am operating under what could be an old paradigm because I'm just operating going back to the very first press conference and that it was, it seemed that when they came in,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was made clear that Lynch was responsible for the 90 man roster, which would lead to believe that he's responsible for the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and free agent signings and then at Kyle was responsible for the 53 man roster, which is about which obviously means who the players who actually make the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now again, we're talking now this is that's damn their 10 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how accurate that is at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're right that it might even make sense that at this point in time,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle has much more of a say in things than a lunch, and that would not be surprised if you re-wrote a or chart that, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that he would actually work for Kyle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that might be a bit far, but it's clear by the amount of money he makes that Kyle Shanahan has a lot of influence with how things run around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in fact, he's one of the adverse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: six or seven best coaches in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you think, I know, we as fans shit on Kyle, but when you look at what he's accomplished here, you got Andy Reed, and then he, he has accomplished more than McVay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just doesn't have the ring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been more in this championship games and the like he just didn't have the ring, which obviously in our in our society is is the end all to be all if that's how you look at things I tend to take a broader view and think that he is still one of the best coaches in the league and at 45 years old in nine years experience to say that well he hasn't won

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[SPEAKER_01]: a championship and that sort of defines him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think is shortsighted because when you look at all the great coaches and where they were in their careers at 45 years old, I am one who tends to believe that Kyle just has it one, one yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be shocked if he

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[SPEAKER_01]: is Andy Reed's age and still doesn't have a championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't, I think that it's more of a situation that's if than when, I mean, a win rather than if.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a good coach in a great play designer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that I'm talking out of school when I say kind of like Bill Walsh in the fundamentals of the West Coast offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: still permeate all levels of football today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The building blocks of the modern passing game are the Bill Walsh West Coast often.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think 40 years from now, the Shenahan running game, those principles will be the foundational building blocks of runoff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he is just

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[SPEAKER_01]: Innovative in that way in offense and I just so it doesn't so to answer your question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if these could be you know John Lynch could be the straw man and these could all be Shanna hands picks and his job is to take to be the meat shield for Kyle when these picks don't work out

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's just, I'm going to name the picks that they made from round four on and then you can just give me some thoughts on ones that stand out to you because I do want to ask you about two players after we get through the rest of these picks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh one twenty seven is Carver Willis outside the land linebacker from uh hard no offensive line sorry offensive line from Washington um my favorite name of the entire thing Ephesians priceok cornerback from Washington

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, Jaden Dugger, linebacker from Louisiana, uh, Enrique Cruz, who was a compensatory pick at 179 offensive tackle, and then they didn't have around six or around seven pick out of out of any of those folks did did those picks any of those pick picks stand out to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He seems to be a great, a good scheme fit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the thing about all of these guys, is none of them really stand out as guys who are going to poor anything more than rotational players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that any of them,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're sealed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think any of them have starter ceilings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Halfton is an interesting pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, since we took two defensive tackles and traded for one glass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We traded for one who's clearly going to be a starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got Collins and you've got West.

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[SPEAKER_01]: West was objectively awful last year, it's going to be interesting to see when you couple of the fact that it seems that he's a smaller, more athletic kind of past rush type.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he predicts, as an interior rusher, it's going to be interesting when you couple the fact that you have a player like height.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless he develops, Michael Williams showed that he is going to be more effective in the NFL as an interior rusher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just makes it interesting to see where a player like Halton fits in on this roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we've got plenty of room there since they kind of basically cleared out the room with Gibbons and Davis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Elliott is gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyway, there seems to be room there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he could definitely end up being a rotational type player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That, again, that's what I see kind of all of these guys being is just, I don't think that I like Price Oxname.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like his size.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't necessarily, from what I was able to watch on the two games that I was able to get a hold of,

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[SPEAKER_01]: appear to be better than green or looter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's down at the bottom of the rotation, trying to compete against, you know, like an up-to-stop, which those two could be couldn't be further physically than each other with, you know, stop being as whole small and this guy having really good size.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he wouldn't surprise me if he makes the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Willis seems like he played, he didn't seem like he played tackle at Washington, but he kind of protects at guard a place where we definitely, you know, I would imagine he comes in and competes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it was, you know, just fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm rooting for Jayden Dugger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: my former wife, graduate of Twitter, PhD from Louisiana, Lafayette.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the rate and cadence are those of my guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eli Mitchell was a rage and cadence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm, I room for those guys to be successful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see anything that led me to believe that he'd be any more than a special team's player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, the rest of it, I just, I was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: even when you just base it on who were still available, I wasn't very impressed with what we came away with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we can look back like you said three years from now and I could be completely wrong and all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of these guys are contributors in some way, shape, reform, and, you know, I have egg on my face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just based on our previous history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't have egg on your face for having an immediate reaction to a draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there are people who do this for a living.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who get it wrong a lot too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I don't know what the percentage is, you know, because you were talking about what makes a successful pick, getting to that second contract where you make over the minimum, what is the, what's the number of, you know, draft rounds one through three where that is the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine it's like super duper high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you you I didn't I just did it for our team, but I can't imagine it's super high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you couple that with the fact that the average NFL career is three years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that just tell you that these guys are cycling in and out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just one to mentally it's, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It really is not for long for most of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did this whole exercise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went back to somebody and posted something online talking about the best draft classes ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you when during that exercise, you go back to the wash area even in a site.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a lot of bus in the or not or just players who didn't materialize who didn't turn into anything in those drafts when you When it's all said and done which just leaves to believe it's not a indictment of the front office It's just that especially back then this was not and it still gets to it in a lot of sense This is not this is you know a mix of art and science is this there's no

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is not, you know, a something that is, there's no, there's not an exact science.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, completely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, there were two other narratives that I think a lot of 49er fans were following.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them was whether or not the 49ers were going to be able to trade, Brendan, I, you, I didn't think that they were going to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know the 49ers are still playing coy like, hey man, we're not releasing this guy anytime soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you better give us a call if you really want them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think teams are just calling their bluff at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: do you what do you think happens here at some point they're just gonna have to let him go but they're playing a little a little coy with not only with other teams but also with i u himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well and i mean when you say in that is true they don't have to release at many times so my the the question is is he a 49er on June 2nd i doubt it i doubt it i think that it it will be

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[SPEAKER_01]: he will get his release and that is more of a function of the salary cat ramifications than anything else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They get the stretch that that find that dead money over two seasons if he is

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[SPEAKER_01]: released after June 1st.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that is the only reason he is still a 49er.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they, I believe that if he, if they could have had that under those same circumstances, if they could stretch the money, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: releasing him today, he would probably already be gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because I, I just, I've never believed, you know, David and Barty carry in the water for the 49ers talking about, well, with the cap, number of the way it is after him being the avoiding that year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could theoretically keep him and just just hang on to him and

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no in hell that this team has the stomach for another hold off season of Brandon I you've news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the football ops team has the stomach for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I don't even think they jade and parod have the stomach for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and again, they don't really have to answer the questions, but I don't think the Lynch and Shanahan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: are going to be in a situation that when June 9th comes and mandatory mini campus here, I don't think they want to be in the business of answering bread and I you question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just don't think it'll be here after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, last one, and then we'll get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is about Mac Jones, because similarly,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is, I don't know if he's the top back up, but he's one of the top backups and he could start in this league based off of what we saw last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be, you know, a top 10 quarterback or anything, but he played well and he showed a lot of toughness in those games that the 49ers had to play without Brock Perty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you follow the the the the through line of Sam Darnold and he had the one year after underneath Shanahan, Mac Jones has this one year underneath Shanahan, I thought that fact alone would make him a little bit more of a of a target.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Darnell did have to go to Minnesota to really make his big money, of course, but I just thought that would be a possibility for Mac.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it sounds like 49ers had a high demand when it came to trade requests.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if that means that they think, you know, they're looking at a pick for next year rather than a pick for this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: or if they just want to hold on to this guy because they think you know Brock being a smaller player could could get hurt again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not exactly sure what's going on here, but what do you think happens with Mac does he get traded this off season?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that the contract number is

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's only like $2 million, so, I mean, it's a relatively inexpensive insurance policy with a great upside, especially since I really don't know what you have in Roark yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that they would have had to be blown away by an offer for Matt, because you

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[SPEAKER_01]: even um now it's only in the two years from now, but you would figure that um I don't think that he's going to break the bank in free agency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you'd be looking at a fifth round convict probably in 2028.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I just I 49er fans are a lot higher on Mac than I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree

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[SPEAKER_01]: out of 32 quarterbacks is from 25 to 32.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I believe he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that any team that the team that signs him next year is going to say, you know, they're going to sign Mac Jones and say, we've got our quarterback for the next three to five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think he's that kind of player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I do see is people talk about next year being a four or five

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[SPEAKER_01]: pick first round quarterback draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely can see somebody who drafts the quarterback signing somebody like Matt Jones, like Kirk Cousins or genosmith to be that bridge quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what ultimately what Matt Jones is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he is a bridge quarterback?

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[SPEAKER_01]: or a high-end quarterback too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing about the high-end quarterback too, I was talking about this with somebody other days, that hinders Mac Jones, as you can say what you want about trail ends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw real develop with him last year under hardball and I have no reason to believe that he won't develop more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe he will always have a place in this league because as athletic quarterbacks become more and more the norm, there will always be a place for a player like him to back up somebody like Justin Herbert or Josh Allen or pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the mobile athletic quarterback so that if and when he has to come in you don't have to change the offense that much for him to run it that's the problem more so than anything else that I see with Mac is that he just in that style of quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: really is, you know, has gone the way of the Dodoberg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just don't have that type of player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, that's where the comparisons between Darno get wonky because and no time ever would you compare Mag Jones's toolbox with the toolbox of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sam Darnell they're just too completely different players and I just I keep heartening back to the fact that those guys are the guys the guys who pick players they're showing you the types of players who are involved at that position and they just aren't statues in the pocket that that I think that that time has passed unless you are

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Peyton Manning or, um, who was the other one, just came back last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, guy, um, rivers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you have to be that level, you have to be that level talent to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: operate as a just a stand in the pockets up right and so I just don't I don't think that that player can survive in this league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see I think that he is a good backup and you know he is he obviously he you know was good for us last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just I don't know how much value he has and he definitely clearly didn't have day two value in anybody's mind in terms of giving

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[SPEAKER_01]: So good for them, they're able, that's one thing they can check off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have to worry about, you know, creepy too this year, and hopefully work is able to develop so that, actually,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't see a set of circumstances where Mac would want to stay here or that they he they can afford to keep him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you know you got 17 more weeks of Mac and then hopefully you're in a position where you can develop or work to be a more stable backup quarterback for Brock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just I'm one who believes that you should be drafted in the quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just about every year, just to keep one in the pipeline, um, if they had a seven, if they had if they had a seventh room pick, I'm sure they would have left the quarter back this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know, they got Mack and they've got, I'm sure they, everybody seems to be high on work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so that we wasn't in the need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So next year though, I wouldn't, I, it would not surprise me at all if they're back in rotation for a quarter back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I, you know, that, you know, quarterback is one of those spots where, like, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of those positions where I think they are solid right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's, you know, good for them, and you know, I would have listened if somebody had called me and offered a two for Mac, I would have taken it in a heartbeat, but I don't know if anything less than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like they would have done it too, even though it sounds like the

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, there may have been other things involved in just a singular traffic, but it makes, it would make sense that, you know, a second rounder would have been on the table for them, but who knows?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, like I said, they, they, you know, they're playing coy with IU, but it does seem like they hold max value higher than probably most teams hold max value.

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[UNKNOWN]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we will be back periodically when the time is right to come back and talk about news and the upcoming stuff and it is already late April and you know, there's going to be stuff to talk about in the next in the next month or two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll we'll circle back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, a few more times before the actual, uh, the actual pre-season start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks, Rod.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that, uh, you were keeping a keen eye on all of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, come through in the hang out in the discord if you want to hear Rod's takes on more than just the drafts, such as,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, Jimmy G, not get back, not get back to his teammates and into his coaches in the offseason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was in reference to the, there was a tweet that Jimmy G made was thinking about retirements.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were kind of making some Jimmy G jokes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy G's fine though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy G's live in the, hit the best life of all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For