Valkyries Training Camp Report: Jane Kenny on First Pre-Season Game & Final Roster Prediction | Podhalla

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are back with Todd Holla and last week we didn't do a show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually at a town on a work off-site in Dallas, Texas, in a neighborhood called the Deep Elm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was stuff to talk about concerning the first preseason game, but we made it up because in the middle of this show, the biggest part of this show is your interview with San Francisco standard Valkyries beat writer Jane Kenny and she is a really good writer like I've been you know a lot of writing when it comes to beat writing some of it is like

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[SPEAKER_01]: very quick to the point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have some people like Andrew Bagherley for the giants who can actually write circles around just about anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But some other writers, they're just like, I'm going to get to the point when we get to the news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the way that Jane writes is excellent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's always a good read.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also new on the beat, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where did she come from?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She I learned that she's from Seattle, but she went to college at Berkeley.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when she graduated from Berkeley last year, then she immediately jumped on the velcro is beat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is absolutely amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is what having a new team kind of creates right opportunity for someone who is not has not been in the game for a very long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So before we get to the interview, I just wanted to make a couple of quick things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's lots of good stuff coming out of Marissa and Jimmy, Jane as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eric, is it apricot?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, his sub stack awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's really good things coming out of all these places and I want to keep mentioning to folks to, you know, definitely ingest all of that stuff because there's no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: lack of news coming out of those places.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that, you know, we were stuck with the discord because that's where a lot of our conversations are happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But one of the questions was like, okay, well, when, you know, one of the things about that preseason game is like, yeah, there's players that you remember, but there's a lot of that team that is still missing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know, Natalie and Akase said the other day, and I think this was an in-game he's reporting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Charles, Janelle Salon, alien repair and Chetchi, Zandalasini, they are all expected to join the team at some point this week, though if you saw with Gabby Williams, she's with the team, but kind of playing it safe, you know, get let them rest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't imagine they're going to be just popped right into the next preseason game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So those players are coming,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the other question is, how much longer until you stay comes because that one seems like it's going to take much longer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like we've heard the date, whether it's told to us by Konrado or someone else of like, when, because it's the Spanish league playoff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So right, like any other playoffs, you could get bounced earlier, you could go all the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think Dorona is one of the better teams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we've seen some players from the Spanish league, like Carla.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Carla made the decision to leave and not go to the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Chloe Bibi made the decision to leave on use stays team on Jarona.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Chloe Bibi left did not go to the Spanish League playoffs and went to I think she's either in Portland or Toronto.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So some players are making the decision, but I feel like the sense I've gotten from you stay and haven't talked to her about it, but in that one

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[SPEAKER_02]: because her French team was in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she's not going to the WMBA draft because her French team is in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's not coming to the WMBA early.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If her Spanish team is in the playoffs and that's what you like to see, you like to see like commitment.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember who is it?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was one of the NBA guys this past year where his team was actively in like a finals and his league in like the French league.

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[SPEAKER_02]: trying to remember who it was, but I'm forgetting who it was, but he just straight up like dipped on one of the fight, like game three, just like I'm going to the draft.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's the biggest moment in your life.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I get it, but like don't you want to see a little bit of like finish something, see it through, finish it through, especially if you're in the finals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But hey, you don't have to worry about that way, you stay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's going to whatever team she's on, you know, that's her full entire commitment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds very important to her as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, she's been a professional basketball player for a fairly long time now, and that is part of being a professional.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I commend her for it, but at the same time, you know, I think a lot of people just want to see how she looks in that Valkyrie's Violet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's, there's lots of anticipation there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm at, it'd be funny if she'd just like tomorrow like, yeah, I'm coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so they did have a game over the weekend and it was fun to see the team on the floor again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I mentioned, there's a lot of people who were not in that game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to see some folks get a little bit more run and I thought the person who took most advantage of it was Caitlin Chen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to figure out what this roster looks like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have these developmental spots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we learned today a little bit more about how that those two spots work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have like a 14 day freeze.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then teams that they want to sign them to main roster spots they can do so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we were kind of thinking like, are they just going to go into the season without a backup point card and just have other folks handle the ball and then Caitlin's over here going like don't forget about me, she was so decisive in in that game, not only with her confidence in bringing up the ball and just running the plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was very decisive in her shots too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a couple where she just decided, she's like, I'm getting to my spot, runner, bucket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm getting to my spot, like, baby hook off the backboard, like we're at that come from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought she played extremely well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine that you guys, you and Jane talked about that, but was there anything in Caitlin's game that stood out to you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, not to spoil the conversation we did just had, but with Jane, but that was like seven minutes of us just talking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we don't have to talk about, we don't have to talk about Caitlin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll just give a couple of my thoughts if you shared them with Jane, then we can move on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think all eyes who were also on Martha Swara's, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's the, was in this giant trade on draft day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The person she was traded for was on the other side of the court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: bust in it, just looking fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got that flaw, which I played great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's a little bit of pressure for Marta to play up to speed and up to par.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was a little bit of an adjustment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think she played a little slower than I thought she would play some of that is just going to be Kind of the speed of the WMBA versus the speed of the college game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Her size is is interesting from the height perspective, but I didn't sense that she moved like a wing, which was kind of my question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She moved a little bit more like a big though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like a stretch big because she could come out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see way more than to actually make any sort of, you know, final analysis on her as a prospector as a young player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see way more, but that was just like my first instinct was like, if you put her out on the wing, she doesn't seem

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[SPEAKER_01]: all that quick out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe, again, maybe it's just, you know, her trying to get up to speed with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I guess it's kind of what Hunter and I talked about in the last show was like, is she just locked at the floor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and you know, we'll see as her career progresses, but yeah, I know I was kind of with you with with the Martha thing like with flogging on the other side of the court.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's like, you know, this whole trade debacle went down like I wonder what Martha's going to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And she had like some solid moments, but I don't think there was much of like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: like going for her going to attack it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was more like she was just kind of playing within the system and then probably doing what Coach asked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I remember when you know, JJ and I were going to basketball camps and like trying to make teams, it was always like, hey, you got to show the coach like, you know, show what you could do and like go out there and like try to take advantage of the situation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think JJ, my little brother, did that well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I was more of like, you know, I felt like I kind of played within the system and so I kind of wish from

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, Marta's perspective, like this is like the hardest league, the hardest professional sports league to make and it sounds like she probably will get a developmental spots or she won't, you know, that's what I think's going to happen, but she's so talented, you know, she could have came out there and just pulled a three right when she got it, she had the space, she could have taken someone off the dribble.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope we get to see that more, and I do think we will see that, you know, throughout the season, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I broke his need time to adjust, but I think it is a bit, it's just been historically been a cutthroat league where it's like, you got to attack it right when you get the opportunity, you know, and then that was what Caitlyn did, which was not what Caitlyn did last year, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't look very apprehensive last year and this year she looked a lot different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess the last thing I want to say and then we'll we'll play the the interview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know she was going to play, you know, she came, I don't know if it was the first practice when they got the team back together, but she was like, I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Natalie was like, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We still got to take this day by day and then she starts and she plays in the first game and she's attacking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's going to be a little bit of time for her to get back to the same speed that she played at last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there's going to be a little bit of tentativeness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they need that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need somebody who's like, I'm just gonna go to the bucket and attack Veronica Burton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, uh, also looked, and I've been saying this since I was watching on rival.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought she was going to take that leap and, you know, we'll see because she's not somebody who takes a ton of shots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of times her shots come because they're at the end of the shot clock and they can't do anything and she's going to throw it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was so fun to watch and I can't wait to see the next game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's this weekend, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Day up do not have any more preseason games.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They only had one no way way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's it until next Friday and next Friday They play Seattle again for the first ever regular season for the first ever regular season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But first regular season game of the season and that is Next year at Seattle right wow that is amazing one not only did it on purpose.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She said she didn't want them like traveling She was like I just want to keep us doing here in the bay and do camp and

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's throw it to your interview with San Francisco standard writer, beat reporter for the Valkyrie's Jane Kenny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, today we have another very special guest, Jane Kenny.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jane covers the Valkyrie's for the San Francisco standard and is a feature writer for USA Basketball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jane, how are you today?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, good doing well Brian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited to get going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I told you we started a little late on me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just just anyone who's who's in the city who who, you know, is going to North Beach is always give yourself like 15 minutes to park, which is infuriating, but that's just kind of, that's just kind of what you have to do if you are a couple laps around the block.

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[SPEAKER_02]: couple of laps and then the worst part is is that when I park like I parked like seven minutes away from my apartment in term like for walking and as I'm like three minutes away I see like seven spots opened up and I'm just like well now I'm not gonna go back to my car and grab like I'm already too far in to just had to pile through and and we'll move that thing eventually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But

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[SPEAKER_02]: Before we dive in the Valk's hoops, I saw a Twitter post from you last year and I went to go revisit it because I don't remember reading it at the time, but I went to go revisit it and he wrote about Subaru becoming the first ever US women's national team managing director.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What was it like talking to someone like Subaru or Subaru and writing something like that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, it was so cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had, um, so I work on the editorial team with the communications department at USA basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know that they were adding General managers to their four different national team programs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously at Grant Hill had already been the men's team and then they were getting it for the

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[SPEAKER_00]: three on three teams and then the women's national team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was really cool to talk to especially because I was born and raised in Seattle before there were the Valkyries, you know, grew up watching the storm and she's such a legend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, to do that art of I only talked to her for maybe 20 minutes just on the phone, but it really was cool to hear from her and kind of all the experiences that shape turned make her so perfect for that role and just knowing what it's like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to be part of a national team as a player early on in her career and with a bigger role with the team later in her career and as a veteran on the team, what she's seen it all throughout the trajectory of her career and just understanding how perfect she is for that role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's going to be super fascinating to see what she comes up with for the world cup coming up in September, I believe, for Fiba,

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[SPEAKER_00]: because it's, you know, you've got a huge catalog of really talented players to choose from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of a tough position she's in, but I think it's really going to talk to her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this will be like the first time I feel like that I've been like heavily paying attention to the WMBA, like I've been kind of like a fair weather fan for a good amount of time, but I think, you know, a year or two before the Valkyries came is when I really started to dive in, so this is going to be like one of the first times I'm like really witnessing like the the world cup and so I'm interested on like what type of talent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it sounds like she's going to have an involvement in that and creating that team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm interested if it's going to be like, you know, the top-top level players or, you know, maybe a little bit lower than that or just, yeah, I think that's...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, there's a break in the WMBA schedule for it in the beginning of September.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forget, it maybe is up to like a three week stretch of a break for it, because they are anticipating, obviously, the Valkyries have a lot of international players that will ensure beef fulfilling their commitments with their national teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll see if anyone, I know Veronica Burton has participated in the three X-3 hopes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Natalie Nicole Sey was coaching with,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carol Austin for the national team camp.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see if there's any other Valkyries that are involved in that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that'll be that that's going to be a lot of fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but hey, 20 minutes getting to talk to Subaru.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's 20 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure a lot of us would like to have talk to Subaru.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I guess now going off of what you said about growing up in Seattle, where you're like a big fan of the storm growing up or is your fandom for the WMBA, like increased as, you know, you've you've gotten older.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's definitely increases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've gotten older.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've grown up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My whole life a big basketball fan fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My family just loves it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of born into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously we don't have or we'll be getting one again and be a team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So kind of missing in the market and I go to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: going to maybe a handful of storm games throughout the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I had always gravitated towards college basketball, a little bit more just competitively men's and women's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I really started paying closer attention to women's basketball kind of right before my college years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in following kind of like the Pac-12 and cow women's basketballs, a cow alum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then also which interesting is in working with USA basketball, getting to see their junior national teams and really feeling like I've been ahead of the curve and seeing some of these

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[SPEAKER_00]: talents kind of come up and rise from the high school game into the college game and then now some of them are in the WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just kind of that sneak peek at the kind of trajectory of the game and the next generation coming up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think I've certainly gotten more into the WMBA within the past five years or so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Did you do in your family's group chat kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: perk up a little once the Flauget trade happened from Seattle to the Valkyries and all the other teams involved there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think every group chat I'm in was really active during that we're all kind of at a lot just stunned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think everyone on social media was everyone at the draft was I think ESPN was caught off guard with that and really not getting any clarity at that press conference afterwards and then kind of like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Slowly but surely piecing it together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, this was, you know, pre-meditated before the draft, but there's these rules that, you know, you have to have a trade submitted before whatever five thirty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, so then like, with the formalities of it, they have to go through with presenting it as the Valkyries pick and Seattle's pick.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was, yeah, I was stunning to everyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot of people excited about March as far as and I personally see the fit in a few ways as like a lot better for just the system and kind of what the Valkyries need and, you know, flaws as we saw on Saturday is, you know, going to fulfill a big role for the storm and I just not sure that there was space in that way with the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was, that was nuts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We've definitely talked about it in a fair amount on this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, I guess kind of going to training camp for folks like me who have never been to a training camp.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What's it like?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it started gosh, I think it's been nine days now and that would include eight days of training camp one day of the exhibition game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It includes about 30 minutes of an open practice where they're just split it mostly into position groups, like you'll see the point guards, shooting guards, the centers, the forwards, kind of at four different baskets, you know, running drills and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: we don't get to see any five on five action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that they conclude that before they open the door to the media to come in, but you can hear it a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely loud and not only will you talk about how how physical it is and how competitive and bodies flying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think at one point she said it was too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would be really intrigued to see the five on five action, but we we just see a lot of drills, a lot of shooting drills, and you know this is

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[SPEAKER_00]: not going to down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's a media availability for the second 30 minutes of that period.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Natalie will talk every day and there's like select athletes that they rotate through and were able to talk to someone on one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's really cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, I kind of figured it was going to be some type of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So they don't, do they do any like team wide drills or is the whole time you

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I've only seen it as separated into position groups or maybe I saw one that was like, um, it was clearly a three point contest race situation, um, but it wasn't like which team could make the most, but it wasn't like a five on five action or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: interesting idea I've never I've only I've done high school practices, but I'm sure it's very much not like let the pros are maybe some similarities, but we never broke out in like guard's Ford centers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's that's really cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I guess kind of pivoting a little bit to the preseason game against the storm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whether any like specific performances or like rotation decisions that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's interesting because obviously not only sees the stuff every day and they're five on five runs and practice, but you know, we really only got that one instance to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of what everyone's capable of and you know, their audition for this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a lot that stood out though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'll start with kind of the Plankar group.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was a big question after the loss of Carla late in the expansion draft and I thought maybe they would target a primary ball handler in the draft clearly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not what they went with and a question to me was who's going to, you know, back up Veronica Burton obviously they resigned Tiffany Hayes since but I'm not sure, you know, how many.

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[SPEAKER_00]: game she's necessarily reliable for, you know, just given her her age and rest and kind of an injury prone season in last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think in the preseason game, we really saw, uh, Natalie put the pressure on Caitlyn Chen to step up into that primary ball handler the second

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[SPEAKER_00]: second string point guard position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She played the entire second half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She loved the team in minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bronco Burton didn't play in that second half and I think her just her endurance and her confidence, calling plays, taking shots, you know, being vocal and her leadership really stood out to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that was something that Natalie really wanted to push her in and kind of see if can she step up to the play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was interesting because she said in the post game presser that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Caitlyn was signaling that she wanted a substitute at one point in Adelaide said no, like you're fine, you're saying in there, you know, respectfully denied.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she just wanted to see how Caitlyn churned with deal with kind of that uncomfortability of pushing herself when she's tired and that was a big test for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's certainly positive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: response from the coaching staff from her performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're especially leading that second group that got it down on such a down to the wire game facilitating allowing those big plays to unfold like Nila with those four three pointers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that wasn't one key performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another one would just be, it was Kayla Thornton's return.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She hadn't played since last July and she looked

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[SPEAKER_00]: physical and not shying away from, you know, aggression and just fearless out there like to be honest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we could be closer to seeing her return to kind of that all-star form and putting a big scoring bulk on her back than I'd maybe thought we would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought maybe it would be an easing in situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously there was a little bit confusion on like what her injury was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, if it was an ACL of it was full year, meniscus, they'd never really clarified that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was kind of like, is she going to miss time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And no, she's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It really doesn't look like she's missed a beat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know she's worked super hard to get here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously, Natalie's big on rest and recovery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And both, you know, always be checking in on how she's feeling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's a huge sign to have seen her just not shine away from the physicality of the

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I felt like, you know, kind of, the main, you know, top heavy minute vets being like Burin, Hayes, and Thorin, and I felt like they all kind of came out looking like they're like mid-season selves, but I don't know how much they had their legs under them in terms of like fatigue and stuff, because you know, they only played like 10 to 15 minutes, but when they were in, I thought they looked like they're last yourselves like Burin, you know, was hitting those shots and tip, just kind of looked like she was doing her thing, getting

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[SPEAKER_02]: to the corner, but also, you know, how you mentioned a little bit with her injury prone season, like her play style is just like, go hard to the rim and she's going to end up on the ground.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There should be like a on the ground counter for a tip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Kayla, yeah, she just came in and was just ready to go and, and that's, yeah, it's just someone who you want on this team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Someone who's going to, you know, play, you know, as hard as they can every single possession.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then on as

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not like she added like any insane thing to her game in the off season, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it doesn't look like like sure, yeah, the handle might be tighter or like, you know, maybe she practiced her 3.0 shot a little more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But to me, I feel like the biggest improvement just looks like the game slowed down for her feeling if you watch, you know, clips from last season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then compare it to the preseason, like there's just not much different in like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, difference in like what shots she's taking or like, you know, it just just that it looks like she just looks way more confident out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The game slowed down for her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She feels like like she's in control.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe she feels, you know, like the responsibility she's been given.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it is is heavier than last year, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like maybe her time in the USK Praha.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but the team she played with in Janelle overseas, and then as well as AU athletes unlimited in Nashville, Tennessee, that league, maybe stuff like that has helped her slow the game down and be dominant because she played pretty well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't watch that league, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: from a statistical perspective like I saw like she was like player the week and you know, she's playing against WMBA players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think she I'm really, really excited to see her leap this year because I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I felt like that was a pretty standout performance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then like you said, you know, getting asking to get pulled out and that was like, yeah, you're staying in the game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's like the type of trust you want to and, you know, I'm sure, so getting those four, three point shots, like, you know, a lot, which was very impressive, but a lot of it was like Caitlin Chen table setting and creating, you know, the openness for her to do that and, you know, yeah, I'm very excited to see that and I, I'm sorry, I cut you off, did you have any more additional performances or?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but, well, no, I'll just add on to kind of what you just said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just I think to your point, Caitlin Chen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: took a leap in this offseason clearly and it might not be any specific, you know, it might be the tighter handles, maybe working on the three, like you said it might not be something specific as much as it is, like her confidence just on the ball and taking on a leadership role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's something to keep an eye on for this whole roster, especially someone like Janelle Solano, she hasn't come back into camp, but you know, another rookie who's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: What kind of stuff did they take in this off season and how are they going from year one to year two in terms of comfort comfort ability because I think a lot of the walkers off season is betting on continuity obviously they had, you know, a big addition, but betting on the continuity of their core and just them continuing to get better and grow together and I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: everyone taking that step in the off season and just keeping an eye on that growth there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As even with Coach Natalie, I think that she has a better handle on this group and they know each other better and just the simple of like how did this one thing get better from your one-to-year tale?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we'll be a big theme of, you know, this season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not just the players that need to take a year one to year two leap, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the coaches.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's the organization, it's the general managers, the president.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It goes all the way up and down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the second year of this franchise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not just the players that we should look at to, you know, who's taking the leap and who's not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are there any like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess maybe more down the roster, you know, when it comes down to some of those final decisions, was there anything maybe we're taking a look at in that preseason game, you know, whether it be like, because I think for me, I was like, oh, wow, that like that's a lot of Ashland Jackson minutes and I was like, is that, is that like indicative of like, you know, they're really taking a look at her for that final development spot or I was interested in the fact that, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kate Reese, yeah, Kate Reese, you know, there's so many k-names on this day.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm very apologetic to Kate Reese.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Me and her went to the same university.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think she was like a year below me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just like completely blank that like I got into it more my senior year when it was Arizona versus Stanford in the national title game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was like a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I watched that whole game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sure she was cooking in that game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just didn't like couple of the players names down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So apologies Kate Reese.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But she got some good tick too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want to say the second half is and then but I was surprised that it took as long as it took for Fassula to get into the game because I feel like she's been someone we've been hearing about of like, you know, maybe has a shot at getting a spot and she was like the last one to check in so I guess from that perspective was there any of that stuff that was kind of catching your eye to lower down the roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think all of it that you said, I too was surprised that Fusule only played about five, six minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also thought that, you know, a six three international center was something maybe they were going to be looking for in that development spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The minutes don't really indicate that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, the developers are the only team in the WMBA who only put one preseason game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure there's other ways that they're evaluating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess it, you know, can't be absolute on on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, Ashlyn Jackson, I think her minutes are indicative of them really looking at her for that development spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of have an inkling that Natalie and Acosta is someone who's really high on her as a 3 in D.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just great teammate, great leader, you know, really smart, high IQ player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she was a big, obviously, a big reason why they drafted her that second round that 23 pic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that she could be someone that would be kind of slated in as, you know, it's kind of maybe a guard heavy when they're going to return Kyla Charles and Gabby Williams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can imagine, you know, playing the wing, playing the two, even

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it looks like someone who could be on that development spot, and then I think another thing that was interesting about the pre-season game is, you know, just seeing Marta Suara as in her first WMBA action.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, you know, she's had a lot of talk about her just having been the top pick for the Valkyries out of that draft, and you know, kind of the discourse about the value getting from the

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[SPEAKER_00]: 16th and not the 14th, you know, maybe for salary cap reasons, my curiosity had always been, did they do that because they wanted a player that they could stash on their development.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, flaws are not going to take in a development spot.

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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was curious about that, and I'm wondering if it's going to end up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How I'm feeling after the pre-season game is it could be Caitlin Chen as that final spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Kate Martin, she's an unprotected rookie skill contract, but it looks like she's on path to make that roster and then that 12 spot to Caitlin Chen and the development spots is those two draft pick rookies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but obviously Fissula was really intriguing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw great things from me here too, as well, as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe didn't show up as much in the box score, but she looked really physical really, um, owning the pain in the boards, um, and kind of doing everything that I'm sure, you know, the coaching staff was asking her to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the most intriguing storyline I think in this camp is like who are those last three spots going to go to because it kind of seems like a lock for everything else, but you know, this is a deep competitive camp and there's a lot of great options here it's going to be interesting and you know the WMBA has never had these development spots before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know it's huge for Natalie Nicolece, like I said, she's big on rest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know she's going to use it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can only use them for 12 games, but she's going to use them liberally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they are part of the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are traveling with the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're at every practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They know the playbook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll be interesting to see how she uses them and kind of who they slayed in there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and I was about to say, like, yeah, because that was kind of my next question about who those final roster decisions might come down to, whether it be Kate Martin or Mielasoa or a me here of Sula, Chen or Jackson, I kind of wanted to look at the roster right now and just like, what really is it look coming down to you?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because do you know if that you stay spot, you know, if she's going to be in the Spanish League playoffs until like May 20th or late May?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, can they use that spot like temporarily for someone that did they do that last year?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I'm kind of trying to remember,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, I, I believe that you stay as contract is guaranteed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for salary copies and so there would be no benefit to I think if they were to want to use her spot because she's probably not going to be coming for a few games into the season, they wouldn't have activated her rookie scale contract quite yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the fact that they did means that they're going to keep it that way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, got it got it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm just going to this might be bad podcasting, but I'm just going to talk through it really quick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Gabby Williams is one for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You stay to Kayla Thornton 3, Kyla Charles 4, Rupert 5, Salon 6, Tiffany Hayes 7, Veronica Burton 8,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Katelyn Chen or Me here yet, or Martha Swarras, or Ashlyn Jackson.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's two left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's, so I mean, it's probably going to be between Katelyn and Me here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm kind of wondering if they just go Katelyn, Martin, Katelyn Chen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And but do they even have, I guess they have repairs the backup five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then they go a Me here in like the

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, as well as as well as, as far as, but the thing is, like you said, like Ashton Jackson, such like a, I mean, she fits the team because she reminds me of like Kayla Charles, like just this point of attack defender who, you know, plays this gritty defense, like that was such a standout and in the preseason game, what, how good her defense of possessions looked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like the classic Valkyries fit where it's like a really good defense and she scored like one point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she fits right in, but I mean, do they just let do they just cut Latissio and me here like she's going to get added to someone else's team like I thought she I you know that these are tough decisions and and I think those are I if I had to you know gut decision I feel like I feel like a me here's on the dev spot with Marta and that's how they finish it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's going to be a combination of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess you, I forgot to mention you could throw Meela in there too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, she's a, you know, a valuable sort of tutor and, you know, I think the question was, could she shoot like that in the WMBI versus, you know, in her league enough Australian and she clearly can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that a Me here,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is interesting because it's in but I think she's too good to take a development spot and you would have a roster spot on another team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think if they go that direction, I could see her landing somewhere else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but then it's also like I don't know if they need her on that 12 person roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a really stacked, uh, kind of group that's fighting, uh, that all bring kind of a answer different questions bring, you know, different skill sets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think, you know, with having Kia Stokes, it leans me off of a me here on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of fulfilled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, they lost to me fact Ben Leigh and Monique Billings in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think bringing in Kia Stokes was a response to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, and then you have Marta Suarez as well as another, you know, she's, she's big too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could maybe see them betting on her development, letting a me here go and a me here lands elsewhere, because she belongs in this league, very tough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she very much does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's going to be tough.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like I don't.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And even I was even throwing around.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know you said, like, you think Kate might have a spot, but I was throwing around like the idea of like what if, you know, they decided to move off of her and I just feel like a lot of their players if they were to wave them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and essentially say like, you know, we're going with the with the different player like these players are getting picked up on the waiver wire like pretty quickly like Indiana right teaming up back with with with yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, if Kate was to get waves she get picked up right away, whether it be Las Vegas, whether it be, you know, Indiana, someone who's familiar with her and can use her play style.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Me here, same deal, like Caitlyn Chen, same, I feel like same deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like if anyone watched that pre-season game, like Caitlyn Chen, belongs in this league, these are some tough decisions to make, and I'm glad I'm not the one making them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, because yeah, I don't even say meal is so up, because I just feel like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like they very much appreciate the continuity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like that's been something I keep hearing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've continued to hear of like, oh, we're just happy to have all these people back from last year and it would be interesting if they were to move off of someone from last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: for like really like I don't know a lot like a lot of these players I almost like how open is this are some of these roster spots um if they want to you know you some of the players from last year so I check it which I guess we'll see do you know when the date is is it until the first game they have

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I really do think that we are going to get an announcement on the eve of no winner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be like May 7th, you know, these cuts obviously, they made two cuts so far, but you know, part of that's to make room for the international players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, not everyone's here yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can only have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 18 at a time in training camp, another thing I will say on the note of Kate Martin, obviously her her contract's rookie scale, so it's cheap, but it's not guaranteed they have to go through like waivers which is kind of complicated if they want to get rid of her, but obviously it wouldn't cost them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think her starting and playing big minutes in that preseason game was an indicative of, you know, they want her and they value her as

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, not like necessarily a flashy, you know, do it all player, but she's just a glue player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how she was at Iowa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they like from her her spacing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They see value in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Natalie loves her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She loves her energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know she was such a comfort piece for Natalie to have it as her first year as a head coach kind of bringing a player over from her Vegas team and just knowing what she was going to bring to the walker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think her like vocal leadership and just what she does for this team as a group is just sounds just the way it's been praised sounds like they really value it and like even if people are kind of you know questioning how much she adds in terms of big scoring outputter if she can really pop off you know any given night um I think they kind of see her value in other ways so

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, she basically played like power forward like in the freezes in game, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She basically power forward next to Kia Stokes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I was going to say though that she was announced by the team to be, um, I think she had a quad strain quad injury today, um, they said they would reevaluate in a week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but you know, if it's, uh, I think they said it's great too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it could actually be a little bit longer than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that that period could go like four to six weeks of it's, you know, worse than they say in which case she's missing the beginning of the season and it's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: roster decisions, you know, this is a business, even if they love her and they think she is great energy, you know, you need bodies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we will see that was, you know, that news came today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the Carolyn to charm getting waived was also today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, last year they, I feel like they shocked a good amount of us when they waived Cheyenne sellers, and then, you know, we watched the one game she played with Atlanta, and she just looked like she was injured.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it just didn't, it looked like that maybe, I don't know, that was my takeaway.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like Cheyenne sellers just might have a lingering issue, lingering injury issue, and it made sense looking back at it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at the time, it was like a little bit of a shocker that the Valkyries did that I wonder if there's any of those moves in play,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Not that I'm like looking forward to anything like that, but I do wonder though, because I've just been, you know, essentially writing it in pen that a lot of these players are going to be on these on this team because, you know, some of them have protected salaries, you know, one being Kyla Charles, so I think, you know, played really well for them last year and and started in the playoffs and, you know, but I do like, do you think that

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I read a tweet that it's like unlikely that a lot of these players with protected salaries get waived, but it has happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we'll have more clarity once the CBA is like made public, I mean, it's a massive document, but someone's going to re-throw it and be able to clarify all these things for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I think that, you know, if they extend

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kate Martin was the only one on the team that was rostered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Other than Carla Light, who got picked up in the expansion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff, she was the only one who was under contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone else, they had to resign, whether it was one year or multi-year deals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like because of how that played out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: there wouldn't be anyone that's under contract unless it was like Kate Martin that they would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she's unprotected, but you know, they can go through waivers and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think with with last year, obviously there was a lot of, you know, learning curve with kind of how to draft, I think we learned about the valkers that they draft very unconventionally and we saw it once again, you know, they like the the draft and stash, they like Europeans keeping everyone on their toes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, and if you remember they cut Caitlyn Chom last year, too, so you never know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they bring her back and everyone loves her and yeah, he has a fighting chance to make this team this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you never know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are there any specific like things you're kind of looking for as this year is, you know, about to kick off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, just like how this team is maybe expected to do like what are expectations after such a successful year last year, you know, things along that nature is there anything from like reporting perspective from a writing perspective that you you're kind of like keeping your eye on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think kind of in in tune with how the organization is betting on continuity, I'm really curious to see some of these offs up off season kind of like international play jumps from some of these players like title Charles Janel Solana someone that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I find really intriguing just you know having one year under her belt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know she spent part of that time really adjusting to the physicality of the WMBA and just seeing how maybe she settled in in year two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen she can make clutch shots and clutch plays and you know step up for that scoring bulk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think watching like skiing in on her as someone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who can step up, I'm really curious about you, you stay and how she'll adjust and when she'll come and kind of what kind of role she can provide in terms of, you know, she's going to be a shot creator, I think that's one thing I have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like my eye on in terms of, you know, we have Veronica Burton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a great facilitator.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to be scouted so, I mean, throughout the season, she's scouted more and more and more and covered, you know, way closer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, she's more of a facilitator.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to see,

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[SPEAKER_00]: someone step up and be a shot creator for not just others, but for themselves, like are we going to have that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we going to see that type of player?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that just not what the developers want to do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want to do family shots and work around the perimeter and everybody eats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that is kind of their motto, but that wasn't enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they look at that season as we didn't get it done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously us externally are like, wow, like that was crazy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How did you do that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they're like, okay, because, you know, you have five years now, you have four years to win a championship and they're dead serious about that and they're, you know, they didn't get out of the first one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't want to play off game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of like how they look at that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, you know, getting nitpicky about those little things like, okay, you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, bet on the continuity and keep your core together, but how are you getting better?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's having Gabby Williams as a huge thing that he's gonna make them a lot better and will be an exciting storyline to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know that she needs to be the primary shot taker on this team either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll kind of see who continues to step up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what's fascinating about them is just the depth and kind of the confidence that Natalie has

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[SPEAKER_00]: to bottom, like all the way through, in terms of anyone can take on, you know, a bigger role and a given night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think those are some of the things that I'll keep my eye on, but it's, there's so much change throughout the rest of the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone had way bigger free agencies in the Valkyries did, so I think there's so many new look teams that it's just going to look a lot different this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's how it felt like last year too, like going in the last year from the previous year, like this is just so much, so much movement in this league, and maybe even higher in the past couple of years with the essentially everyone on one year deals last year or two years ago, so that they can be a free agent in this season, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then get their money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, I'm I'm with you on the Gabby like I'm with you on everything you said, but I think I'm wondering with like with Gabby Williams like I wonder if you know her she can almost be like a like a case study for other teams of like or another teams but other players who are maybe going to be potential future free agents of like

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, because she had a career your last year, like, what if it happens again?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, then the Valkyries could be like, see, if you're like the right fit, you know, you're going to have like your best year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, PSA to future star free agents, like, because I was just surprised that we didn't have a bigger splash of a free agency and I'm almost wondering, like, hey, they might have pulled something off, you know, if the free agents were like, they might have pulled something off that they might not pull off again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we have to see

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe there's a bigger splash next year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm happy with the team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, you know, like, yeah, according to Mr. Joe, we need one in five years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm still, I'm still of like the thought process that it's like, okay, last year you set the bar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You set like what the expectations are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: can you do better this year?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And even if it's just, you know, just win the first round this year, I think that's a big win, but also if you don't, like, there's still, I'm sure there's still, you know, we can grab things from the season that it's like, okay, this was a big improvement from last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm, I'm just glad that they, not just glad, but I'm glad that they built, you know, the culture and, and, and, you know, they, I'm, it's very, they're very fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think to your point about, you know, Gabby, I think drawing her in as a free agent could be, you know, it could have a major domino effect in future, you know, free agency periods because she got up there and said what she was drawn to about this first year franchise that only has like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: 45 games to show for themselves that there's a winning culture there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she sees that and wants to be a part of it and looked at Golden State and said, this is where I can win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is where I can raise my individual ceiling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's huge to have a player of her caliber believe in the culture and the system that they're running.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if she has success there, like I thought that

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the Golden State was a great destination for, like, you know, put on a great campaign for recruiting free agents just through their fan experience, you know, being the highest valued franchise and investing, you know, in leadership and facilities and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's the one that I thought I was like, you know, how many teams have, you know, what we have in terms of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Starting to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I think the fever is going to, it's other thing in the sparks, but yeah, you know, it's kind of like the, I think the Valkyries had a big part in kind of raising the stakes of them or the standard of agreed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All of that stuff, but yeah, I think that the fact that she was drawn to it is even more telling than the rest of what they accomplished.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, I think just looking from like this off season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: was like how the heck is like Chicago signing all these players and they have like nothing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean, maybe it's just you know, they weren't potential Valkyrie fits and

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, that they could go get a bigger payday elsewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, those things I'm sure came into account factor like why did Tammy fact benight leave to go get paid and to run out that was a big thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was a business, you know, sometimes it is like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so my final question is that I saw I think Kenzo tweeted that Natalie said a specific date on her way out from the press conference from a from training camp and so and I'm referring to the potential media versus coaches game is that something that you might lay some up for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, 100%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just saying the other day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a, I don't own a basketball myself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I need to like Amazon one and start writing some shots up because I think that the only way we're going to score or have a chance to score on this coaching staff of all like former players, like students of the game, like they're going to absolutely cook us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but I think if I could

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, I'm excited for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she said it was May 16th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when the season has started, but I'm, I think it'll just be a fun little event for some, you know, camaraderie and, you know, just getting loose with the coaching staff and, you know, using their philosophy of high volume, three point shooting and just keep checking it up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you guys, you guys established the culture, like many of the things I gave me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I've met like a few you guys now like over like through podcasting and I'm almost like how do I get like a media pass just to go watch that game in person I'm not asking to play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want I just want to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like they got to do some content like there's some people there I don't know but I was going to be like, I didn't even know when it was going to be until today, but I want them to have like a press conference Yeah, they can ask us questions

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[SPEAKER_00]: script.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can ask them questions and make it like a formal thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe maybe we made our fans who knows.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's so of like the Joe Masula mold, where it's like just so like intense, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because then she like coach under him or are there some type of connection?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's like a coach of hers, same with like doc rivers, but Natalie is she's all about the game, she's all about winning, but she's been given us some

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[SPEAKER_00]: some bangers of liners recently and you know she says she likes media now and I did hear that line up and she came out right out the gate so she's a great person to report on I enjoy her presence and yeah I'm going to tell her for sure yeah

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, yeah, that's about all the questions I had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, so thank you for keeping it available today to talk about training camp and the preseason game and I'm very much looking forward to this season of Alkary Hoops as well as your coverage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So with that being said, do you have anything to plug?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you can find my coverage of the Valkyries on San Francisco standard and I'm going to try to use my Twitter like a little bit more this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not like the biggest social media person, but my handle is just my name, Jane Kenny with another why so you can find stuff there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: more power to you as less Twitter, less X the better your mental health.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think is probably the saying that everyone should have, but I can't help it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, thank you so much, Jane.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This was this is great getting to talk to you and I'm a fan of the standard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember when they first started when I around the time when I moved here honestly and it's been, you know, some of my favorite types of ways.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels modern.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It feels modern the way that

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you have some of the, like the podcasting and the way it's set up in the office and I'm forgetting names, but the woman who like goes on the street and like asks people questions and like makes the videos like that stuff's all all good and entertaining so I'm a fan of the standard and you know, right, right, I will be looking forward to reading your coverage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So thanks again for joining today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that was a, that was some good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you've interviewed now Nathan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've talked Richard on we had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a lot of talk and a lot of talk and a lot of we've talked to Richard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and hunter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And here's another person who provides a different outlook, but, you know, that this community of writers and of content creators and, you know, it's, it's really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, there are still some getts I know that are on your list of people who you want to talk to that hopefully, you know, if Word gives out a little bit more about the show and our channels and such that we can,

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[SPEAKER_01]: we can get some more folks on, but yeah, I love, and I was like thinking, I wonder if Brian enjoys doing these by himself, because when you do the one-on-ones, you don't really have time

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[SPEAKER_01]: to go, okay, let me let my co-host and ask a question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'll think of something, or I'll follow up to what they say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of like the given take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But doing one on once, you have to be on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be constantly thinking of next question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What where's the segue?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I take this here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's been, I think it's been really cool to hear you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All the way back to that first interview that you did with you stay last year, which was literally one on one with a professional basketball player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll do other interviews where, you know, we're both on it, just like we did with Karado and Richard, but I appreciated, you know, you jumping in and doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully we can get into a pretty nice cadence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And next week,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully we can do two shows and we'll sort of figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll try and do kind of the preseason or the preview to the season show before the first game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe either after the first after the second game, maybe we do like a quick wrap up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll figure out the cadence of that

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[SPEAKER_01]: at least during the season it will be pretty important for us to get more content out there to get more pods up because you know it's I think if you look at the YouTube channel like the voucher stuff clip clearly beats everything else and and I mean it's just what people are interested in right there's not as much competition for valkes content it's people are looking for it but if I put up

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[SPEAKER_01]: a giant thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a bunch of giants podcast or you know 49 or stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's lots of 40 other stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we I'm sure we we favor very well for Valks content.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So also as always mentioned the discord got to mention it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're having a blast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's conversations going not about this roster every single day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are some people who are fans of certain players and not fans of other players and you know the one thing that I I failed to mention but I'm sure

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jane had talked about it, which was just Kate, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kate being hurt, possibly depending on how long she's out could open up a spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's got to be frustrating for her to have that grade two hamstring injury, especially right now when there's a fight for this roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of those things are happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're having all of these conversations in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So definitely check it out if you are interested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that is gonna be it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next week, hopefully with a lease, we'll do at least one show, but hopefully with a second one, depending on how those games go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, for Brie, I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you when we see you, peace out.