Camilo Doval Returns to the Giants, Marcelo Mayer & Bo Davidson Debut Amid Blade Tidwell's Tommy John News | Thompson 2 Clark
Doval's back, Mayer and Davidson debut, Tidwell's Tommy John news & MLB playoff races
In this episode of Thompson 2 Clark, Brad Evans and Garrett Gonzales start with a surprise reunion — the Giants claimed closer Camilo Doval off waivers from the Pirates, two days after Pittsburgh designated him for assignment, with Blade Tidwell moving to the 60-day IL in the corresponding move. They also welcome some fresh faces to the big leagues — Marcelo Mayer made his organizational debut as the DH and Bo Davidson got his first big-league callup in right field, both activated Monday as Bryce Eldridge and Jung Hoo Lee's seasons appear to be over. They dig into the Giants' brutal run of arm injuries, with Tidwell diagnosed with a high-grade UCL sprain and recommended for Tommy John surgery — the fourth Giants starter lost to elbow reconstruction this year, more than any other team in baseball. They close with their thoughts on the MLB playoff races as the regular season winds down, from the Rays and Brewers already clinched to the scramble for the final NL wild card spots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brad, do you know this is the very last 20, 26 regular season edition of Thompson DeClark?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, man, we're wrapping up year six for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is crazy man, starting year seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in clean, right, the whole start year seven, it'll be clean, there'll be no lockout,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully no more Tommy John injuries, older ligament elbow injury.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hate to laugh at, oh my gosh, it's just I can't believe it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, we're going to talk about that in a second because I sort of remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of the giant strategy of being like, we're not going to be like those dodgers who are constantly having Tommy John surgery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it didn't happen that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but we are going to talk about some new faces on the club, but we had to say goodbye to the regular season of one Bryce
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I was true, from what it sounds like he hit his head walking through a hotel or walking into something, and I was trying to visualize, like, where they may have been, because I mean, the man is six foot seven, yeah, I, the only way I can visualize it is in like some comedic way of like this clotsie guy, like not paying attention.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to, I don't, I don't want to publicly shame Mr. Eldridge in any way could have been an
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[SPEAKER_00]: accident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it sounds serious enough to where he has a concussion, and that's why his season is over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Eldridge, and it looks like a young who Lee also his season is done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they did bring up two people who were very interested in, especially as it pertains to the next season, Bo Davidson is up as well as Marcelo Meyer, who it sounded like it was touching go on whether or not he was going to be able to play for the seasons over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now starting tomorrow, Friday through Sunday, the last series of the season is against the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sunday's game is my crookos last game like last official game is a broadcaster I think he said in some of the interviews that you know, he would love to come back and do guest bots and you know as much as he can and it's just he cannot be the regular announcer anymore because of his his condition um what what do you think about like obviously these games are meaningless
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[SPEAKER_00]: The only meaning there is is that one, it's the Dodgers and two, it's Kruko, but for the youngsters, Davidson, Meyer, maybe even someone like Ben Dura, I kind of wonder if Turner Hill has a shot to make the team next year based on how he's done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for guys like that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the ability to get on tape more in your first pro season, but other than that, it's kind of meaningless, and I have this outside intrigue of seeing how someone like David sit in my or perform this weekend against the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, and the thing too is they're going to face turret scooble on Friday night, I think, let me take a look.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's scheduled to go Friday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard Saturday too, but if they're trying to line him up for game one of their first series because they're going to have a buy it's between them and Milwaukee for the one in two seed, one in two, both I get
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[SPEAKER_01]: get buys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, I think, you know, it's kind of a chance to to see those guys go against a tarick scooble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A scooble going to go seven or eight innings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably just kind of a bullpen game for him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He'll go three innings and they'll kind of turn it over the pen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's a good chance to see them play against some good pitching to get some more bats to see them play at home against the Dodgers kind of feel that, you know, feel what that's like as well to have that rivalry series.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's, I mean, you know, regardless of where we're at, it's still, if you're a, if you're a giant fan, it's still exciting because you are playing
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, talk about it later, but if you're a baseball fan like we are or overall baseball fans as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: last three games and then you're heading into the tournament.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The fun starts on Tuesdays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're going to go through all of the scenarios that are currently in play.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did I see that the the cubs and the white talks both qualified for the playoffs today?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They did see it too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At almost at the same time, both Chicago teams are a playoff
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[SPEAKER_00]: probably something that if you relate to the white socks and being a terrible team and getting high draft picks, I mean, they had the number one pick in this year's draft, you know, they made the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's something the Giants fans can kind of look at and okay, like the white socks have been bad for a while and now they're now they're in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what I was going to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They lost a hundred and two games last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and in 2024 they lost 121 games, 121, so you go 121 losses, 102 losses, and all of the sudden you got 82 wins and you sneak yourself into the bracket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They still, I mean, they still could win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that division.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they there are a half came out of the of the lead for that division with the guardians.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they're division winners, um, they're going to get that nice seed where they get to play at home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you get that two out of three and you're at home, that's pretty fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so looking at that as a giant fan, you got to say, man, we are, you know, a 500 club, bounce them back and forth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we, you know, ninety five losses, possibly more, you know, to be able to go,
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[SPEAKER_01]: and look at the white socks and see what they did in terms of trades in terms of drafting and to think that that could be us in the next year or two, yeah, you got to look at that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to look at that as the blueprint.
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[SPEAKER_00]: More on Davidson and Meyer, I don't know if we can actually even come to any conclusions about them as pro flip probably not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so few games, but you know, Davidson
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw they had him in a shift and he hit and I think it was technically an infield hit, but he hit the ball right between where the short stop and the second baseman were shifted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was in yesterday's game yesterday the day before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think yesterday's game against twins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, yeah, I think they only scored maybe the one runner or whatever, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: he had, if you were just to go by the eye test, you're like, oh, sky looks like he can hit a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Meyer drew a nice walk in the ninth inning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was three and one, and they threw a fast one on the inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He took it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He walked a couple times yesterday, I believe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Shay Shay, Shay Shay took the three oak three oak count to a strike out Duck, okay, dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to win this game and you're staring at three o and three one right down the middle like I don't get it, but oh, yeah, and that's what you're gonna get again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you're gonna get this time of year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're just gonna have that
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what are you looking for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like as someone who's invested into these young guys like is there like a like Are you looking for for boat a maybe pimple on out this weekend or something?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd like to see that but honestly, I've got my attention so much on the bullpen Like who you know who who who is going to step up because we need a seven to eight to nine to nine next year and you're not always gonna find them in free agency
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do like to watch Harris.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, I do like to watch Dylan Smith is kind of hit or miss.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you can, I mean, I think they're both going to be on the team, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, they're both going to be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I want to see them get a little more locked in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And these last couple games, especially against the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see them have some locked-down innings Harris.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know he's got the attitude Smith just kind of seems like it's one out of every three games as a stanker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know what, if you've got a 6, 7th inning guy, you kind of expect that the 8th and 9th inning guys, you want more of like a 90 percent, you know, rate of success, so to see, and I think I have more chips and on Harris, so I think that's kind of what I'm looking at mostly it and the pitching, the starting pitching, you know, let's see, see who the giants have lined up for this series against the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We got in Friday night's game, scooble against, um, well, no, that's taking me to the ticket page.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't want to buy tickets.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't get down there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm looking at starting pitching, look at relief pitching, I think I sent you guys a text the other day that the giant since August 1st.
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[SPEAKER_01]: been like a clamoring for this for years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But since August 1st, the giants are 10th in the league and stolen bases.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love watching the go-go giants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see more stolen bases this weekend, more movement on the base paths, more hit and runs, more bonds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen so much of that lately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm kind of, I know we're going to get a Domus and Chapman back next year, you know, and obviously diverse.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We had a most of the year and then Elderidge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to have some boppers, but I do want to see the I do want to see more small ball mixed in and this team kind of has to have a little mix of both you got to get guys on base.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you're in the bottom of the order, you're looking at, you know, 789, 6, 789.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Next year, you're going to need guys to get on base and move around and, you know, blunt and steel bases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you could have a Jonah Cox leading off and kind of lengthen that line up a little bit, I think it's going to be exciting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I'm looking at.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at more like bullpen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at, you know, how we're doing on the base paths.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not so much offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that that's going to be totally different next year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm kind of looking at the, you know, the smaller aspects of the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about Drew Gilbert?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like he's like one of JJ's favorite players and my come back whenever JJ brings him up is like, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, show me when he can hit someone who's left handed, then maybe I'll believe.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I think of him is I think he is the perfect platoon with him in Jonah Cox.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they make together one great baseball player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You hate to take Jonah Cox's speed off the base pass by not having him not in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you do start Drew Gilbert, it gets a right hander, then you do always have the capability of bringing in Jonah Cox later and then you've got, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: defensive center fielder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got a guy on the base pass, so you can always bring him in to run for somebody and then leave him in to play center field and take Drew Gilbert out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they honestly, I think they make a really, really good a platoon option.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would love to believe in Drew Gilbert as a starting majorly outfielder, yeah, not to say that I don't like him because obviously he's a character in a half like, oh, yeah, you know, he's he's got a lot of charisma and you kind of root for these guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think his name carries a little bit more value than his production so far, but I would love to see him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, he's a young dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He, I would love to see him blossom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I, I, I, I, I'm with you with the Jonah Cox thing though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the one reason is it's like, I don't know if Jonah Cox is going to hit Big League pitching though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He hit AAA very well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he can hit, can he hit 275 in the bigs?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if he could hit 275 instead of hitting 230, then you're talking about a guy who you could actually utilize the speed because he'll be getting on base and do you send them out of times?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I want to look, I want to look at splits speaking of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So far, he's played in
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[SPEAKER_01]: 36 games against right-handers, 38 games against left-handers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So against right-handers, which is as we know Drew Gilbert's strength, he's actually hitting better against right-handers than he has against left-handers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's hitting 288 against right-handers in 75 plate appearances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's not going to hit for power.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not going to be his thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got three home runs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: against left handers, as I'm looking, and one home run against right handers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's got four to a long run, and I still think if you give him more game, he could be a 10-home run guy, you know, on the season, and but his main thing is going to be the stolen bases, and he's got 15 stolen bases in the major so far this year and playing
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, 15 stone days of the fantasy, that's a that's a 45 stone base guy on a complete season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can we maybe we got a pitch in for this you and me and we'll get a couple other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Had we know Junghulu is fast, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does he learn how to steal bags?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or how does he have the confidence to utilize that speed?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a tough one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's gonna be looked at in the off season because if you are gonna have Junghulu in the lineup, but you're also gonna have Jonah Cox, you cannot have Junghulu leading off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just not gonna happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to be your number two hitter?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Eldridge?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but if Cox is in there, he's he's going to be batting lead off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's got to be some sort of work in the offices and where they're going to talk to him and say, look, look, we know the other aspects of your game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, kind of tailed off there in the last month and a half, um, you know, hitting wise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, this is the most he's played.
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[SPEAKER_01]: in an entire season at the major league level.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's been one of us for three years now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Next year is his last year before he can opt out if he wants to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if he adds that to his game and can be a 300 hitter,
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[SPEAKER_01]: steal 30 bases, and he does have that power and can hit 15 home runs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a valuable guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He may opt out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He may stick around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It depends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: From all accounts, I believe he'd love the San Francisco.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, if he can get some stolen bases under his belt, and I think it also depends on where he hits in the order.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I was talking about earlier, if he's hitting,
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[SPEAKER_01]: second, you're not going to have him steal a whole lot of bases if you've got an aldrogen devil is behind him and you know, Chapman and and and a domus you're just not going to have him do that a whole lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to leave that to Jonah Cox because you know he's going to steal second, you know he can steal third if you want to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, you're not gonna be looking at that, but if you have him batting seven or eight, you may see a little bit more movement out of him, or even nice, because then you know, old school, you back to back some of your faster guys who can steal bases, and you may see a lot more movement especially with Jonah Cox up there, if he can pull off a hit and run with John who on first base, kind of get things going now for the number two, three, four, and five guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're looking pretty good, so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing is I think we need to forget about Junghu Lee's salary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just because he makes that much money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does not mean that he has to hit second or third or hit lead off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's totally fine if he hits at the bottom of the order.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's making a good amount of money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they paid him a good amount of money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Has he...
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[SPEAKER_00]: has he, you know, become the player that that we thought he would based on the amount of money that they spent on him?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, probably not, but I don't think you can just say because he is, you know, a higher paid player than X, like he's got to be up in the lineup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm completely fine with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like guys who can actually hit the baseball at the bottom of the lineup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I like to watch Patrick Bailey hitting at the bottom of the ears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen, I mean, we haven't seen old school line ups in a long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would like to see that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd like to, I know it's not, it's not a slap in the face to bat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm nine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're looking at like, hey, now we have a bunch of power guys next year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have all these power guys back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have like five power guys in a row hitting because a Domison in Chapman,
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to hit a buff like 220, 230, that's just who they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can't have those guys, you know, batting right after devours and right after eldritch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna have to mix it up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it'd be interesting to see what the line it looks like next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The other piece of news, and this just came out today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: An old friend is back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Camila DeVal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So basically, the giant said, hey Yankees, we will trade you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tranquilo Camilo, you give us a sous Rodriguez and park harbor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember, did anyone else go to New York and that deal?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, no, it was just straight up to evolve for those guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, for four players, really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who else was in that deal?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I just had that up earlier, let me double check.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I had it earlier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'll keep chatting while you look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the gentrists like, hey, Yankees, we're going to treat, we're going to give you tovall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You give us the guys we want.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what you're going to realize is that he's probably not a close or any more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you realize that, then you can trade him, send him some more else, then they're like, okay, we'll trade him in the pirates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the pirates can kind of get tired of them, cut them, and then just comes back to the giant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you just could like players for free, and what you gave up is one season, one full season of Camilo, and it was bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had 14 walks and 19 innings with the pirates.
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[SPEAKER_01]: down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It like that was a good trade.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good job, Buster.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So the giant's got Hay Zeus Rodriguez, Park's Harbor, Tristan Reeling, who I actually watched pitch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was last week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like Thursday night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He threw against the Reno Aces so the game was here on local TV here and then Carlos De La Rosa left handed picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure where Carlos De La Rosa is now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could look it up real quick, but that's, but still you're looking at four players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and two of them who could have a pretty big impact for the giants and then getting Camilo back again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What Camilo are you getting?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to kind of try to figure that one out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But well, goes back to your question about the bullpen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we like Trent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We do not think that Trent is a closer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we sum what like Dylan Smith as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We do not think that Dylan Smith is a closer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Camilo, I don't even know if he is pitching for a future or anything, but he's in an arbure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So next year he's our eligible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, if he can make like six million dollars a year, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you can get him for a steal, you can get him for peanuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think they can only something like you can only reduce it by 20% or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: whatever they get out of him, but we know Camilo is not a ninth inning guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're relying on Randy Rodriguez coming back and he's coming back from the Tommy John thing which we'll talk more about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm not confident that Randy's gonna be a ninth inning guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You may have to bring Randy along slowly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Buster doesn't want to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he made fun of the Dodgers for signing Edwin D is, he's got to do his due diligence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They need to find a veteran closer, who is not afraid of the ninth inning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then while you have this guy,
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[SPEAKER_00]: whether he's here for a year or two, then you develop the guys who are underneath to figure out maybe it is going to be Randy down the line and maybe we would just need to kind of bring Randy long slowly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it is going to be Trent Harris or maybe Trent Harris is going to be a year eight inning guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's the thing that you need to figure out because that is a thing that they absolutely did not figure out this year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vatela was like, uh, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of like Ryan Walker why don't we just throw him back out there and Ryan Walker was like oh let me tell you Tony Vitello I'm going to prove to you that I am not a closer don't you try and make me a closer Tony Vitello and we just went through this for the entire year then it was Eric Miller and we see Eric Miller is throwing darts in Boston
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my, like, I, you know, I don't know how the giants thought of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how the Red Sox think of him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But my thought was like, seventh and eighth inning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is Eric Miller, lefty, lefty, lefty, lefty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get those guys out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're expecting them to throw, you know, 30 pitches and get, you know, get out of jams and it's like, that just might not be Eric Miller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever, whatever that role is, and to me, it's really about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: developing roles for the guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This year is almost like, well, we want to give guys the opportunity and they'll prove themselves into these roles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody did anything to prove themselves all guys just kept getting hurt and and kept proving that they were not valuable So that needs to be part of like whatever this offseason is as far as the Bullpen is considered you need to you need to have a clue about who you have so hopefully they do a better job about that I know Buster has been on the record as saying that he needs to do a better job
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[SPEAKER_00]: with that and I guess it's all he could say because last year he was like yeah who cares about the bullpen that's kind of how he treated it right so pretty much I mean I guess he thought you know I've got 10 guys to choose from and we can kind of mix and match well
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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of over 10.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We really have to rethink the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say over 10, but I mean, when you're talking about closers, you're over like five.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we had, remember Caleb Gillian was our closer for little while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it did just all these situations where it just did not pan out of us try, try, try, try, try.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Giants fans are going to revolt and flip the house over if we go into 2027 auditioning closers because it really is important in March and April.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to have a closer, to know who your closer is, to have a successful closer because if you're blowing games early and you should be six games over 500, but you're 500 or below, it's demoralized.
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[SPEAKER_01]: fans have seen it enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This team has seen it enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they really, really have to go into that situation and March and April with with a closer named and one that they're going to stick with and one that can be successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they just brought back Camilo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's Mac cheese doing these days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't even.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is what I'd rather see Ryan Walker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, or Mac cheese poor guy poor guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how how did the giant's make room for Camilla DeVal?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well It blakeded well's arm had to fall off basically and Blade to dwell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was want to call him Blake blade blade to dwell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Tommy John diagnosis so the fourth starter
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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants have lost to elbow reconstruction this year joining bird song Trevor McDonald and Carson Wizzan Hunt and then last year, reliever Randy Rodriguez.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd what is the like like you work in IT.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I work in operations like if you have a problem, you know, let's even say it's like a
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... an emergency or an urgent thing where like what happened how did we do this incorrectly you kind of get a symposium after you have a long meeting and you kind of figure out the steps about what happened
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do the giants do this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do they look internally and go, what are we doing from a pitching coach perspective?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are we doing from a minor league perspective?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are these guys throwing too many innings?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they not throwing enough innings?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how do, when you have so many Tommy John injuries, I would love to know, like, how do you look in where to figure out what the problem is and why you had so many more than any team in the league this year?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the things I have read is that the giants have not had this issue for so many years and now all of the sudden it's on them, it's just the law of averages and it caught up with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I get that to a point, but because you can look back and like 2020 to 2024,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they had anybody who tore the UCL and made it Tommy John.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember that happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But now all of a sudden they do and it's kind of the average of, it happens to every team and it happens to X amount of pictures and it's caught up to the giants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not even sure what to look into because every article I read is basically just like there's nothing that's changed in organization.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything's the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It just so happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And because they're really not rushing these guys along.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not throwing more innings than they should.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, land in room.
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[SPEAKER_01]: hit his innings limits, so they shut him down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Logan Webb, you know, had a quote-unquote blister.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's he's done, but he also pitched in the WBC.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, start in training camp with the giants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lendon Roops hat, by the way, said thou shall not throw more than a hundred
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[SPEAKER_01]: So those guys I mean that that that's all it is it's that anybody can see it this moment is that it's the law of averages and it's caught up to the giants and like you said It's not Apparent what the problem is and I didn't mean I hope I didn't suggest that like there's this glaring problem Any no no like it I'm just like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to question it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have to question it all
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's figure out what happened and what we're possibly doing wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not like they have these guys who throw 102 miles an hour in the bullpen her blowing out their arms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always go back to when we had Jared side there on the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said he had talked to somebody who basically said, you know, if I threw the way that I normally throw,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would be of mid-90s guy, and I probably would not make the majors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in order to make the majors, I had to throw as hard as humanly possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew I was going to blow up my arm, but at that point, the risk is worth the reward because you get to the big leagues.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's kind of like, I mean, I'm sure it's that is not the scenario for every situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But just the idea that those extra three, four, five miles an hour on your fastball is the difference between getting to the bigs or not getting to the bigs and sometimes you're doing it to the detriment of the length of your career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the flip side is, is if you didn't do it, you would never make the bigs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so like that's a that's a tough thing that ball players have to
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's always that extra has you're always trying to get that extra something and sometimes you push a little too hard and injuries happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just the way it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then sometimes you get drunk and ride a scooter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That happens too, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, man, what are they doing with Bader?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine they're not being a scenario where they are able to get out of that contract.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to be able to get out of that contract.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If they have the proof and they have enough to go on,
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[SPEAKER_01]: they should be able to get out of that and you should be a free agent next year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let's move on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's about as much giants talks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we need to we need to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we did our Kruko thing a few weeks ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure we'll have thoughts post the the season about Kruko and what he meant and and all those it's I mean it's so nice to see
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[SPEAKER_00]: the pieces that are out, the videos that you're seeing on the broadcast, the videos that you're seeing on Twitter, there was the great clip that was going around where the mom had the kid in the, did you see that one where she had the kid in that little, what's the thing that you, the the beoryer would have, but there was a backpack on the front.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so the mom's got the little baby and she's doing all this stuff and the dad just like chillin He's hanging out and crew can cry per kind of on him about just like mom's doing everything and dad just eaten and like Oh my god that like that was was so perfect because I was like yeah, like that is what makes them so great
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bob Cossus was on the broadcast yesterday trying to talk the Hall of Fame into bringing them in together and the Hall of Fame is not budging So it's not gonna happen, but it was kind of fun to see cost cost us on the broadcast So there's a there's a ball hit to cost and a cost just makes a a routine play and As they're talking cost this goes Ground ball to short long throw got him or something like that and then he goes
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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason why I said short and not the name of the player is that I don't know who's playing short separating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like a poor Christian cause to say nobody does unless you're a hardcore giant fan so don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, cost is talking about crook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can see how much it really means to crook as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like crook, I think I saw a quote where crook was like, you know, the fans don't understand that they mean more to me than I could ever mean to them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's that's crook, oh man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like crook always.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just the perfect guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is the perfect guy to be that spokesperson for, you know, the giants and the broadcast and everything and that's the thing that I think They'll probably miss the most with him not being there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, shout out to Dwayne Khyper because I know he's do he's going through some stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said he's got some some cancer throat cancer or something that he's handling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it didn't seem he didn't make it seem like super duper serious, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the reason you have a career like your voice is the the biggest deal, you know, so hopefully everything goes well with Kipe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's had his struggles to of health wise of late, so Kruko and and Kipe are they're just.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the best, and you know, gonna miss them, and Cipes gonna hopefully be around for a while longer, but the fact that Crooks and I'm gonna be there with him, it is gonna take something away from from how we watch baseball, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be, I mean, anybody who's with Wayne Kieper next year, it's gonna be weird, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just really going to be weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it can't be flaming and can't be
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, those guys have been, uh, they're, they're play by play guys and Dwayne Kuypers play by play guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so you do need that color analyst.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need that former player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need that, that, that, that color guy that can, that can pop in there and just tell you about the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just give, you know, give you, tell you about life and, and, and, and, playing for the Giants and playing for the city.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's got to be a
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[SPEAKER_00]: You think Penn could be one of the guys?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've pensed his little ruff around the edges so you know he doesn't sit well I don't think with all the fans in terms of of his color analyst But you know he's he's good and and then you've got hobby Lopez who's Fantastic But he's also got little kids so you know it's one of those things you just don't know who it's gonna be Yeah, those guys made a lot of money in their career
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did but but those guys know the city.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean know and they've been there for the championships So it's gotta be a championship.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, so so I'm pulling for lentsicum.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's Left to me smoke on air Then you'd have a broadcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like someone said
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember where I read this, and it could just be random Twitter nonsense, but someone said that he's been around the Bay Area of late Which kind of made me wonder if he'll be there this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that'd be amazing But I wonder if he also thinks that if he's there then it takes a little bit of focus away from Cruc
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Sugo slugs has a comment in there as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to throw that up real quick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because that that that's a tough one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know who this Sacramento radio guy is or TV guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure who that is at the moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but there's also Joe Ritsu because he's a giant space ball, but he is also a true playboy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's more playboy playboy guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So so you've got to have the color colored true color analysts because right now if you know without Kruko the giants just don't have one Yeah, so yeah, so go to ask if they would promote internally maybe from a Sacramento.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't I don't know the sack team at all
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I, you know, just trying to think who could be good, you can't just bring somebody in who could possibly be good because this is a high level high visibility position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you want someone who's seasoned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like you can't have like a, oh, you know, I'm just throwing a name out out by the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What if Joe Panic wants to try doing color commentary like you can't bring in somebody who's like a rookie at this you need to bring in somebody who's actually been doing it for a little while and I don't know if there are any former giants who have so maybe
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe it is more of a professional who's just been around baseball for a long time Yeah, I I I feel like Havi Lopez has to be the front runner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just maybe you just split it with him Split it with him or Pence and and just you know He also so go out also asked about Glenn Kuiper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Glenn Kuiper did a game with Dwayne didn't he?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He, like, at some point, was it insane draining or something?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he, he just did a game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say last week with somebody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was on radio because I was listening, as I was doing your work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's done about four or five games on the radio this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he is also a play by play guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where you run into that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're just like, you know, we are rich and play by play guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure that'll be a discussion down the line and you know Brad and I have our thoughts about broadcasting so I'm sure it'll be a good conversation for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's wrap this up by talking about
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[SPEAKER_00]: Where we are with the weekend series to go and where we are as far as playoffs are concerned.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll start in American League.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the rays have clenched the number one seed so they get to buy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they are going to play the winner of the Yankees who clinch the number four seed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And either the Red Sox or the Guardians, and it looks like it's going to be the Red Sox.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So can you imagine three game or Yankees and Red Sox to kick off this playoff series?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that would be while in New York.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All three games, if it goes all three games, it would be in New York.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's crazy that it's like that because there's not that many I mean that there is a few games that separate them, but I don't know if that if that a home wildcard team you know or home wildcard round team should get all the games
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know why they do it, but it's just, it's like, you're not that much better than I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not my favorite way to do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see a three out of five move around a little bit, but I do get it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're trying to, there's so much travel.
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know and they try to keep the games close in terms of calendar and not too many breaks anymore like oh god a few years ago we're having you know one game and then a break and yeah and then two games and then a break and then three games and a break and it was just it was too much so they've gone back to the old schedule so I think they had to do that for this this first round and again yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: seed is either going to be the white socks or the guardians.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so we'll see neither of those teams are, I would say great, but because of the way that things are seated, they will have won their division and, uh, and because of that, they, they will get the higher seed than some of these other teams, because the more
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[SPEAKER_00]: the West, the AL West winner is going to be the three seed because there's nobody at five hundred in the West right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, looking at the CNN's and how many games there are left, I guess the Rangers have a chance to tie the Guardians or the White Sox at 82 wins still.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure what the tiebreaker is, so we have to go into that, but I guess the tiebreaker, I think is head to head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so there might be for the division, if for the division it might be head to head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all goofy, like because you don't, you don't do one game play off anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a chance the Rangers could possibly get the two seed, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at the athletic has a projections.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And according to the projections, the white socks have a 60% chance of getting the second seed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Guardians have a 40% chance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Astros have a minus 1% chance to get, okay, so I guess they can't get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the Rangers would have to win out and then they would, if they win out, then I think they have a chance at the three seed, but the Astros still have the best bet at the three seed to win the ALS.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get to the six seeds of the last wild card.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the guardians are the white socks, so that's more than likely what it's going to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's lots of movement still.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the AL side of the bracket is awful because the only thing that we care about is whoever can beat the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: May is it the brewers year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, we're going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be even getting there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so we're going to have to worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be the biggest brewers fans for a week, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: But do we believe in the brewers?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a different question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mr. Rowski this year, then you got Logan Thompson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do
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[SPEAKER_01]: over the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they also have a bullpen advantage over the Dodgers this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think pitching wise from top to bottom, they've got that advantage, but you know, line-up wise not so much, so I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That one's going to be interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm in in my mind of thinking who can beat the Dodgers?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the rays have a shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees to me have a shot outside of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see anybody else having a shot to beat the Dodgers in the American League.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine if we do all of this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Dodgers are facing the white saw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not even sure I'd watch it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to start buying some Frank Thomas, 1991 Flair cards or something for the black.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for watching, maybe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ian out there to manage the team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nationally, Brewer's have a 96% chance to be the one seed Dodgers have 4% chance to be the one seed, which means more than likely the Dodgers are going to be the number two seed, so they will, they will both have buys, yeah, so as we get to the 3-6, the Braves are pretty much locked into the 3.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then for the six, it's right now it's Philly's Cubs and Padre's now the Padre's Cubs and Philly's Also have high percentages to be the four and the five so that will play itself out but it's going to be One of those three teams is going to be in the four five or the six so Again, we're talking about beating the Dodgers here
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[SPEAKER_00]: the podries have done it before in this round correct and this wildcard round, but they have never done it in the divisional series, beating the Dodgers, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: Three gamer is possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about that next round though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be that that's a little like Could the fillies do it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the fillies had a chance to do it last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I believe in the cubs?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No So I am kind of locked into
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[SPEAKER_00]: the braves have the best shot at beating the Dodgers in the brewers are second now that has a lot to do with me just not believing in the brewers because the brewers are about to win a hundred games this year they're going to be the only team in baseball I think to win a hundred games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: selling the brewers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, is this their year?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I, I guess it's one of those things where I'm not going to believe it till I see it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's very easy for me to say because then there's no risk for me to say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for whatever reason, and I think it's just pedigree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's just history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the braves have a better shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That has nothing to do with what the data and what the stats tell me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just kind of five feel feel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because we've seen it before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about, like, I don't want to see the Dodgers flame out in the division series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of want to see them in the world series or at least the NLCS so that we get that big series so that team gets something out of beating them right like they're the final boss and that team beats them and then goes on to win the thing so I just don't believe anybody in the ale is going to win so it may have to come from the national league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah it would kind of be exciting to see the Dodgers going to the world series and either get swept.
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[SPEAKER_01]: or have a lead in the ninth that they blow in game seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd be down for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'd also like to see them just not get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because the risk isn't that they get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the last two years, they're like, oh, this is cake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're mows in through this thing and we're headed for the three feet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That, that's the risk there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the playoffs is kind of like up in the air to me, outside of the Dodgers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who else I trust to actually move through these rounds and at the same time I would not be surprised to see the Dodgers fall off because they have had to deal with a lot of injuries this year like who knows what the hell show he's gonna be like in the playoffs, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're gonna rely on him so much and he may not be able to play as well as they hope because he is not
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know just like in rocky four when uh... rocky punch drugo and he started bleeding and he's in rocky's uh... his trainer Tony said see he's not a machine he's a man like show his part man this year last year he was all machine
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's he's not getting he's not getting the MVP this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because there's a guy named PCA 40 40 40 40 40 and I will never live it down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that I did not keep him in my keeper league.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll never get over that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, JJ has a worst story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: JJ in our dynasty league traded him for prospects at the beginning of this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who did you get though?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even remember who he got, but I can one up that now because in that same league,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not keep Miserowski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably going to win this side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't keep the siong and the MVP.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I put both back and not trust them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In your league, I've had show hey two years in a row and have been in like the bottom two teams, both years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to build around those guys because you're taking those guys so high.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that means that you come back around and it's like, well now I got to I got either Jonah Cox or Mauricio do I know I need to recalibrate in your league because your league we've been playing for like 20 some on years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: almost 30.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the league that I'm playing in the dinosaur league, I'm completely fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was competing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I almost made into the second to last championship round.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was, but in your league for whatever reason, I'm boomer bust.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a league where everybody is in it every day and they're just on the waver wire and they're grabbing guys and free agency It's hard to keep up with man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I fall off sometimes too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all right, remind me what is your schedule like for the next few weeks
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, I am good next week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to get around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk to kind of preview the play a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And next week, we'll do our five predictions.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we haven't began in the season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go over those and we'll see how we did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have not looked.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to look at this weekend kind of tally everything up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So next week, I'm here the week after that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm here Monday Tuesday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and Santa Clara and we're going to see Mr. Bruno Mars at Levi Stadium back in town and then we'll get this right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go grab coffee or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think so because we should be, I think we should be in Santa Clara around Friday or Saturday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure which day and then the concert is Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we had a whole Monday and then so so that following week I'm around Tuesday and on and we got for that I'm around and then we're in New Orleans for the actually during the world series.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, day in New Orleans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how long though?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How long how long are you in New Orleans?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, God six days
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have been to New Orleans only once, yeah, and I was very glad I was only there for like two days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I may have come back with diabetes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my gosh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have marked so many places to eat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And but but we're also doing some sightseeing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do, you know, the fan boat one day, pets maligators do all that good stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to go and we're going to do a haunted New Orleans tour one night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go to some jazz clubs.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, to to old to drink that much anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like a couple of drinks and I'm
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We just got back from Vegas, and it was like, you know, didn't like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a page of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, So, Google has a question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get out of here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the Mac board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the front runner is Rafi.
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[SPEAKER_01]: think you're right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was the leader.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the guy who kind of kept everybody together this year and put on a show and showed everybody like, hey, this is what you traded for.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to lead this team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think I think he's the front runner and it's really slim pick and it's because it is Brad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Brad texted our group chat today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The starting lineup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Opening day, hideous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's not a single player who is still playing on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Versus is going to be starting this weekend on the team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to look at a real good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Luis arise, traded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Match happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I.L.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Devers, I.L.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Adomas, I.L.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lute, Lee, Junghul, I.L.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ramos, traded, Schmidt, I.L.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bailey, traded, beta, I.L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Logan Webb, I.L.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be diverse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got to be his only guy that was stuck it out all year long and did his thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't give it to anybody else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back next week to talk about the major league baseball playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What a fun time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That wild card round is fun as hell because there'll be multiple games going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a blast every pitch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is nuts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Every single pitch means something because it's two out of three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll have my ESPN app going and there will be a couple of games going on at once and thrown it on while while I'm working sort of be fun time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, that's it from here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for Brad, I am double G. Thanks to Sugo Sugs for hanging out with us in the live chat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you peace out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.
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