Pride Night Fallout, Bryce Eldridge, The Devers Trade Revisited | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is Thompson to Clark Bradenye here back after a not only from a baseball perspective on field perspective disappointing week off the field also a little disappointing there for a couple of different reasons and we're going to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's what the fan base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say a good amount of the fan base is talking about, which is the giant's pictures and how they treated pride night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about, I think today is actually the one year anniversary of the Raphael Devers trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the couple pieces written about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about Bryce Eldridge, who may he and Logan Webb, kind of the people that made us smile this week, not too many others, though, you know, Chapman to start and hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's starting to, he's actually been hitting arises is continuing to play steady baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jung Hulie had his streak finally broken his hitting streak, but hopefully he is going to continue his solid play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, bullpen's really bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Keaton win goes on the DL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have really any options.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, it's just terribleness all the way around when it comes to that pitching staff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Ken Rose will also have a piece today on whether or not the giants are going to be sellers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is, well, early, that just tells you how bad the season is being.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so let's actually kick off the conversation with Pride Knight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, I know, I know people sometimes they come to these podcasts and such to get away from the politics of it all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately, when your baseball team is at the center of the controversy, it's, if we just were like, hey guys, what do you wanna talk about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about Rafael, and we didn't talk about this, it'd be just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: as those pictures, but we would be pretty tone deaf to not talk about it because this is a podcast in which we talk about our fandom and how it affects our fandom and you never pretty pissed off the other night when all this happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was, I mean, to say, disappointing, irritating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was kind of, I don't know, it was more shocking than anything, I think, because we saw Clayton Kershaw do it last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We expect that from Clayton Kershaw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not still not acceptable, but to have five players on a 26-man roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the city of San Francisco do what they did was shocking, appalling, and disappointing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not represented of the Bay Area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not represented of

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[SPEAKER_00]: of the city of San Francisco and what the city of San Francisco means to the LGBTQ plus community.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of it puts this team on an island in the rest of Bay Area sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes, I mean, you might as well put them on Alcatraz.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go play the rest of the season on Alcatraz, because this team doesn't feel like it belongs in the city right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you and I being like old-head giant fans, you know, this is just it's shocking to us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I want to get this part out of the way because I had to and I say, had, now this is some of my own responsibility, I cover mix martial arts and and pro wrestling for the Wrestling Observer.com.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in a podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't do any writing for that website, but one of my jobs is to go live after every main UFC show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And last night, the UFC had a circus level spectacle at the White House.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't wait for it to be over, like just the, you know, the circus level antics that we're going on, it was almost surreal thinking about how when I was a little kid thinking about what the White House meant thinking about what it should be and seeing what they're doing today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I'm also a mixed martial arts fan and I appreciate the skill of the athletes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and you watched it for the fights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You saw one of the greatest fights in UFC history, Justin Gagg, upset Elya Tuporia to win the lightweight title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a long time coming for Justin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that is a great story in of itself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you could not get away from some of the more disgusting things that happened on that show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you see any of the mainstream media, they are focused on one of the fighters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even want to really give it any more publicity, but he made a comment about Michelle Obama that was just, it was ass-a-nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like one of those things where when you promote your thing as a circus, you're going to get circus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've created a circus, and you got circus animals in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the giants to us is kind of the opposite of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the giants is like dignified, professional sports, baseball, the ultimate professional sport.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just the way that you kind of handle yourself on and off the field, you're supposed to be a professional X, Y, and Z.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how we see this team, ever since we were little kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the thing that I had to check myself against when we were talking about this over the weekend is okay, everybody comes from different backgrounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: some of these backgrounds, there are things embedded in these guys that they themselves are young men, young-ish men, that they have to kind of decide to how to represent that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And being in San Francisco, very liberal city, maybe the most liberal city, you represent, it says San Francisco on your hat, you represent the city, that's who pays you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you have to I don't think that you necessarily have to embody everything that the place that you play in, you know, has like let's say you play let let's say you grow up in the Bay Area and you have to go play in a conservative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: area, you have to go play in Texas or something like I'm sure you try your best to kind of be a part of that area, but you have your values and such that that make it hard to embody everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the part that was the most frustrating is you have a manager who you went out

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[SPEAKER_01]: paid a lot of money to now this manager is somebody who worked with younger people, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I imagine in a college in a college dugout, there's more kind of goofiness going on because you're dealing with young young people who are just still trying to find themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony Vatello comes over here and he's he's supposed to be a guy that can relate to younger

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[SPEAKER_01]: help build them up into the players that we want them to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is another aspect of that, though, in how they are as people as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is, for me, that is the part of not quite sure where Vitello sits on some of these areas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, on the field, I think he's been, I think we gave him a C++ last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other part of this for me is the guy who we rooted for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for gosh, from 2010, all the way to 2021, one of the greatest players in the history of the organization and someone who took over this team as the president of baseball operations in part to kind of be the face of a faceless team and that dude has been silent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you want to ask him about his, his bullpin, he'll have a little, you know, fun remark about, oh, you know, you would have loved for us to sign Edwin Diaz.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But on a, on a real topic like this where you have a celebration for a marginalized group in a city in which maybe there's more of this marginalized group than almost anywhere else in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you are celebrating this group, many of them, also Giants fans, grown up with this team like you and me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this guy is silent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe he just needs...

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[SPEAKER_01]: a couple more moments to think about, but I go, I go, you know, into what I do for a living, and we had a situation where Fox news got tagged and something so they're asking us questions about some person, you know, being

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[SPEAKER_01]: taking off of the website for their views or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's part of my job is to dig into it and see what's real and what's not real and like where's the post and what was the moderation aspect of this and X, Y, and Z.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I find it and I go, okay, here's the strip down facts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what this person did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we kind of have this symposium to decide, okay, like what is the move?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like how do we how do we deescalate this scenario?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is what companies do in these moments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I imagine that same conversation happened with the giants, whether it's with Greg Johnson, Buster Posey, the general manager, Tony Vatello, it's like, hey guys, what are we going to do here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is our plan?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we deescalate this situation?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've pissed off a lot of people in what's the move?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's Buster Posi's job, I think it's his role here to get out in front of this and apologize and say, you know what, this is not, this is not who we are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't remember exactly when Major League Baseball started doing Pride night or when the Giants started doing Pride night, but I imagine Buster Posi was here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When the we know through many of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so just like, you know, we need an adult in the room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: pictures who are deciding that they're going to veer off of what the plan is and what has been custom and they're going to make themselves the the story and we have a manager who was like a yeah I don't I don't know what he said do you even remember what Vatelo said yeah and I think he pretty much just said um

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[SPEAKER_00]: He enjoys that, and now this is not verbatim, but he enjoys that the, you know, that the giants put all the effort into these different particular nights, but he also wants his guys to be able to freely express themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it goes both ways, complicity basically just come to straight complicity and the the full side of that is it goes both ways because we can then react to what those guys did and judge them for what they did and and that that is why we have this conversation today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when the manager kind of pats these guys on a butt for what is essentially

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[SPEAKER_01]: a reaction or a lean-in to some sort of prejudice, whether or not I don't know these men personally, I cannot tell you what their views are on homosexuality or any, any of that, anything different from what they showed in a Bible verse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I do know is kind of the trends of folks who use those Bible verses and what they stand for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if I'm going to, if they are going to give me that, that is how I judge them just based on what I know about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're, they made, they made the story, they made themselves

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, no commented the situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I get out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he didn't have, he didn't know what to say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this has been a problem with him, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We, yeah, we've, we've been like, okay, what is Vatelo gonna say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's not thinking about it, or he's got a kind of circle back later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that leaves to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buster Posey to fix this situation and he has been silent so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, this is a request from me, a giant's fan since 1984.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably even earlier than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just I can remember that 1984 team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, you got to get out in front of this buster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if you, if you are the guy who we believe that you are, uh, you need to get out in front of this thing and you need to, uh, respond in some way because I've, I've never seen this before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now some of this is Reddit and some of this is message boards and some of this is Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I've never seen a reaction to this for people or outright saying I'm never going to be a giants fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I was like, wow, this is way bigger than you and I when we were talking about it and how frustrated we were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wow, this is way bigger than I even thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the owner is on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he's the guy who's running the ship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We already know what the ownership is like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What there are receipts about what this ownership believes in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I think it's up to Buster to kind of come in and fix the situation like he's got a We know for a fact they don't have a closer to to put the fire out and and in their real games and right you know Ryan Walker the one who lights a fire to everything he was one of the culprits who Who who did who put the message on his hat we know it's not gonna be him because he's gonna pour more gasoline on it based on how he pitches but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's up to Buster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's got to come in and he's got to apologize to the fan base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to uphold some of the values that these fans believe in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because it'd be one thing you mentioned the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'd be one thing if you were the best team in baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you had this issue off the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least your fans aren't already pissed off at this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Giants fans are just like, you guys suck on and off the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, you know, he's got to figure out a way to turn this thing around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was thinking today, too, you know, as we're getting prepared to do the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, well, it wasn't a very good week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were two and four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Had one of the greatest moments with the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stelted, pretending to grant slam to win the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not what we're leading with because the team went two and four on the way they could have gone six and

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I still would have felt like this was a bit of a funeral to start the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, I don't know, I haven't had enough time to really think about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up a Catholic, I called myself a recovering Catholic now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went to Catholic school till it's through eighth grade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I served as an altar boy, I did a hundred masses growing up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in the church growing up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember any of this when I was growing up, uh, we had, you know, again, it was a barrier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had friends and neighbors who we knew were gay, um, and we didn't think twice about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and even though we were in the Catholic Church, I just, I did

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[SPEAKER_00]: It didn't occur to me that it was a quote unquote problem enough for me to be outspoken to read Bible verses to them, to let them know that what they were doing was again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to use a lot of quotes because these are not my own quote unquote sin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a much deeper conversation I think than we can give it on this show, but as a sports fan, as a giant fan, as a fan of a team in San Francisco, who's known to have the biggest community of LGBTQ, the biggest pride parade, the biggest pride month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, pride is every month in San

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to have your team and players from your team, slap that in the face and try to knock it down and make it about, look at me and look what I put on my hat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's the door, if you're not big on pride day,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can ask for a trade because you are in San Francisco, but they're not going to do that because you have an opportunity to play baseball not many people have that opportunity to play baseball I think if they want to I don't know if they want to talk about it after the game and not you know

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[SPEAKER_00]: try to deface the pride hat and try to make it about them and their faith.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of what the night was about about people who are marginalized, people who have violence, violent acts, waged against them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: day in and day out, to not take a step back and think about what the Bible actually talks about, mostly love, loving my neighbor, lifting each other up, being a community, which is what those players should have done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They should have said, you know, and again, I'm not going to put words in their mouth, but it's simple, a simple statement of, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we love each other and we're here for the community and this, this was a great night to celebrate and and let it be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even if you don't necessarily agree with it, uh, you, you still have to put on the face, you still have to be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you're, you're part of the community, at least try there's a great article about Jeremy Affleck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: who came to the Giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was traded to the Giants and he grew up Christian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He grew up homophobic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He even said it himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I grew up homophobic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He came to San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anytime he came to San Francisco with a visiting team, he didn't want to leave his hotel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was afraid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was afraid to go out in the city.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And once he moved, so San Francisco and got out of really met the people in really meant the community, his whole outlook changed, everything about him changed, you know, he was able to see the good and and see

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[SPEAKER_00]: just the good in everybody and not just because they were this or that or this color, that color, this sexual preference, you know, he was able to kind of let his walls down and become a human.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what you need to do sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to let the walls down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to become a human.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to become a human being.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't always rely on a 2000 year old book

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what kind of bothers me the most about what the descriptors were on the hats and then what they had to say about it afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They used a lot of 2000 year old words.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They used quotes from a 2000 year old book and I say to that, I think it's older than 2000 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, nobody really knows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To not use 2026 words, if you're homophobic, just say it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't want drag queens to read stories to your children, because that's a big controversy here in Reno.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had library shut down because of drag queen's story hour because drag queens were reading children's books to children.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that, but blows my mind that that would shut down a library, but it did, but just come out and say those things, where it don't don't hide behind the scripture, say who you really are so that we can get the full judgment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can we can figure out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is this somebody that we want our kids to have on their walls?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we want the posters of these players on our kids walls?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we want them to have their baseball cards?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let us be the judges of that by saying who you really are and what you really think in 2026 and not words from, you know, this old book that you just quote the words and say, I, that's just what I believe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell us and put it in your words and to go back to what I was saying with the UFC obviously was on the White House and Donald Trump is there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are in a political space where a lot of that type of rhetoric is loud because the president says it and this is what the president believes in so why don't we and so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what I'm talking about in the leadership of the United States of America.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's non-existent, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just non-existent, and so people think that they can act like it, it's all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is where Buster comes in, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buster was the leader of men on the baseball field, and he needs to be the leader of men from a leadership perspective as the CEO

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not technically a CEO, but he has to act like the CEO, he has to act like the person who is running the ship and who is going to take responsibility for this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Buster Posey, this is your opportunity to show us, to show the city that you are not hiding behind this position and that you are actively

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, a part of this uh, you know, you're not living in Georgia anymore, buddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're back in the bay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you are a piece of this and so you need to, uh, fix this and, uh, how, what, you know, whatever, whatever they, they need to do now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, you know, I was like, you know what, maybe I want to, I've always wanted to, uh, you know, I have so many different giant tats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, you know, I like the pride hat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I should buy it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: If that, I'll buy it, but they need to fix this and if they, if they fix this, I will search out and buy a snapback of the Pride Hat to show my appreciation as a fan that somebody can make a mistake and then you can fix it, but time is running out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are running out of time to fix this thing to where it doesn't

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, it looks actually like an organic apology rather than like some propped up PR BS and that's that's not going to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So and and they and they got out of town and headed to Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think just in time because you know, lucky for them because I think there would be a lot more questions because instead of

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[SPEAKER_00]: like you said instead of kind of simmering in the background and then and then the flame going out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This thing seems to be growing day by day where we're starting to hear, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: words that there will be possibly a protest at the next giant's home game, which is June 23rd, I think it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they, yeah, against the A, so it's possible there could be a protest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if there's a, I don't think giants PR wants that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think ownership wants that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't thinkbuster wants that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This team is in the dumpper right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think this team needs any more, you know, bad press.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you know though the way to rebel a little bit if you're a fan is stop filling up that ballpark that that's you know I I've not been to a game this year

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[SPEAKER_01]: some of that has been because I'm just so I'm just so bothered with how this team if playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this was this is another reason for me not to not to go instead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to put my money into the Valkyries, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now the WNBA has a much larger LGBTQ

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're players, the lots of players, lots of black queer players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this is there that they embrace the league, embraces it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's where I'm going to put my money instead of, you know, in behind land and Rupu, you know, if this is the San Francisco that I know, the next time this dude gets on the mound, he's going to hear it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that they put him out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we had to talk about it, uh, hopefully, uh, folks, you know, folks listening, um, you know, your thoughts are, you know, whether or not you agree with us, but this is just something that nearing dear to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, as you and I get older,

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[SPEAKER_01]: what's weird is I think we resemble less and less of what older people think and I don't know what that means but you know for whatever reason you know I just feel like man like this this really gets me and yeah I just well I wish we could be better at this but man you know you would think as you evolve and we are going to celebrate

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, on the fourth of July, the 250th, and it's just like my God, we're going backwards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think we're the aging gen Xers, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we always talk about that when when when we're in our 60s and 70s and most of the boomers are gone,

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's going to be a backlash from us old guys and gals I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be pretty rough for the people who hate certain groups throughout this country when we're all, you know, when we're all of the baby boomers current ages.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's going to be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The last thing is a steep berm and wrote something for the athletic that you just sent to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a major league baseball issue day warning, I don't know if it's to the giants or to those players, but Pat Courtney, the MLB's chief communications officer told the athletic that the writing on the cap violates our rules and consistent with normal practice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have worn the players about future violation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess it is the players and not necessarily the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess like, the we are a few days late on that, but at least at least there's something out there about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they pretty much had to make a statement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had to do something because you can't let that go because then what if suddenly players are wearing the what is the American flag hats for the July and somebody decides to put 86.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 47 on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if they let this go, it's going to get out of hand completely and so yeah, they pretty much had to say something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, Ken Rose was also had a piece today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Grant Brisby was also also helped with it, which was basically kind of everything that we've been saying for these last couple of weeks, which is a rise in Robby Ray or kind of the trade bait guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And whether or not the giants were going to be sellers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, I think you have to be sellers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot be buyers when you're the second worst team in baseball record wise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it is a little early to be sellers, but that's just how bad the team is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Matt Chapman is heating up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really know what you could get for Matt Chapman because he's a little expensive, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Matt Chapman who is playing baseball today and who is leading, I think he leads the Giants and Ward's because of defensiveness as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like kind of being wasted on this team, like, you know, Matt Chapman would be a fantastic addition to, you know, a team who kind of needs that oomph of like this veteran leadership kind of guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was part of that conversation in that piece, and you've been saying, rise pretty much since, you know, probably the second month of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought two weeks ago he was going to be gone, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Robbie Ray is an interesting one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what Robbie Ray actually has left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's almost like one year to late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he would really help somebody last year if the giants, if the giants traded him last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: what it is right now for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not throwing very hard and he's will see a fastball guy anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see what they could get there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, this will be, you know, this will be did last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they sold at the deadline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They traded our, you know, our best pieces in the bullpen for prospects and some of them, you know, we'll benefit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them won't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess it's just, you know, it's it's a little embarrassing to have that conversation on June 15th, but that is the, these are the breaks with this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were having this conversation a month ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's how bad this team has been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, yeah, it's always one step forward to steps back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, because of all the controversy and everything that happened over the weekend, I was going to look and maybe I'll look next week because I think it's still going to be happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the giants or they must be they must have the best record and baseball when it comes to the last game of their series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I swear this team is probably like you know 15 games over 500 in the last game of every series because they'll lose the first two and they'll look fantastic in the third

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when the when the other team is like all right, we've got to worry about this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of our players play our best baseball right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's ugly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so one year ago today, the giant traded for Rafael Divers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You and I were pretty excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you know, there was a little bit of worry about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: how his swing would play in San Francisco, whether or not his strikeout rate would be fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, we were like, we need somebody who can hit the ball out of the park in this man's swings for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He started off slow, picked it up, actually had a half way of decency season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this year has been, he's had one month of good baseball in two months, essentially, of not good baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is, I think he's got, if we use this, I think he's actually played literally, like 162 games with the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like 29 dogs, which is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 209 strikeouts, which is not great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he's played the position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's played first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been I wouldn't say he's been fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's been solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's serviceable there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He hasn't been a minus, I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he hasn't been the guy who Buster said when he made the trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said he's a dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He should, you know, just talking baseball language.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy's a dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't seen that guy yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've seen a kind of, uh, a hot and cold power hitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But not anybody who's going to lead this team into into the beyond the guy who looks like he's going to lead the team into the future is the one who's playing behind Devers and so Devers almost feels like he's holding Bryce Eldridge back at this time because of this albatross of a contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's it's almost like You know, if Devers didn't have Eldridge behind him, you're like, okay, well, we can wait for this guy to kind of pick it up like, you know, we can be patient.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you see Eldridge

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[SPEAKER_01]: This man is hitting jacks and he's hitting grand slams to win baseball games and he's having these really competitive at bats even against left handed pitching there was one yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the game against the Cubs where he's just fighting off, fighting off, fighting off, and then he just waits on a pitch and goes the left field, scores for running, like, man, that was an impressive app at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One in which Devers probably just strikes out on, like if you want to compare, you know, one guy fights and fights and is able to get, get the ball through the side of the left side of the infield and the other guy is, you know, swinging out of his ass to hit the ball over the fence and not doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: looking back like, you know, we are Monday morning quarterbacking this trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing that hurts is giving up Kyle Harrison, obviously, but you were never going to be able to get devours without giving up somebody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then James Tibs, who's in the Dodgers organization, he's the other one that they gave up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Red Soxer are the ones who probably have a little bit more frustration with this trade than Buster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say this was a great trade for Buster, but it's not a dud either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they needed somebody and Devours is here and he's able to do some things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But really, my issue with Devours is just that he's blocking Elders, but we talked about this last year, we were like

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just, they signed a DH and their best prospect is a DH.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like how do we, how do we handle that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the foresight and the kind of the problem solving maybe wasn't there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what are your thoughts a year later about Rafael Divers?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's funny we got this guy and we talked about too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, we're going to get this bopper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy's going to hit home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's going to, he might even hit 40, even though it's Oracle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He might hit 40 for us one season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we thought, oh, and also coming up in big situations, leading games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the giants haven't had many big situations leading games over the last two seasons to be fair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when we look at, he's now played a full season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Usually, a guy will have maybe like, you know, one or two walk-off hits or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many walk-off?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hits, would you think that Raphael Devers has had with the giants?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember any, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to look it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: None.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And before that, he's got two with the red socks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was with the red socks for a good, you know, five, six years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And only one walk off home run and his entire career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so not a lot of clutch either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've seen that in situations too where he'll come up with two runners on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, oh, this is the chance he had a three run home run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he'll hit a solo shot that's extremely impressive, but rarely does he come up with, you know, seventh inning down by two runners on and then he pops one out and now the giants are up by one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just don't see that and with the 200 plus strikeouts, you're not even seeing good outs a lot of times too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On the other side of it,

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[SPEAKER_00]: To be fair, I think we all kind of thought Kyle Harrison was stuck with the giants in terms of his development.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't really realize how big the injuries were at the time that we're really keeping him back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we thought that the giants had hit like, you know, as far as we're going to get with Kyle Harrison, these one of those guys who drafted high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: high expectations, got up to the majors, was a number four or number five guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We thought, okay, maybe he has enough to be a number three someday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did we think he had enough to be a number two or possibly a number one, which we're seeing this season?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tibs,

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[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of what we heard is that he just was going to strike out a lot and that he wasn't a big contact guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His glove was good, but he was going to have a hard time, you know, working his way through the system without striking out a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan Hicks, fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a salary done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That may be the best part of the trade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a joke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Take Jordan Hicks to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll take him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we have no idea what else to do with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Try to miss the closer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Try to miss a starter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Try to back in the bullpen again as a starter again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just wasn't working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he ended up in Boston, where he got blown up an 8ERA, and then he got traded in the off season, the White Sox, and he's in the Chicago now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think all, all, all being said, like you said, we did see the words that it was a dud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't go that far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did see that in the article that they could call it dud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You still have a guy who can hit 30 home runs in a season for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want some more clutch out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Am I convinced Kyle Harrison is going to be this guy forever?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looks pretty damn good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants are not a team that strikes out a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He struck up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 12 giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the game, we just played against the brewers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Strike out divers three times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the giants have the best strikeout percentage in the league, the lowest strikeout percentage in the league over the last month or so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they're in the top half when it comes to the entire season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so yeah, I think Kyle Harrison is probably a real deal, so you got to look at it and then tips, we still don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, he's, he's still turned it up in the Dodgers minor league system in AAA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He started a red hot has cooled down since he's hitting just over 300, but he's still hitting and he's still hitting home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, the red socks are absolutely the losers in this trade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the brewers and the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: are kind of winners because of the peripherals and, and, and, you know, making the side trades.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the giants, I don't know, it feels like a break even at this point, which you don't want to say when you get a guy like Raphael Devours, but, but I think the big thing is you've got Devours, and like you said, you've got Devours and you've got Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, those are two guys who are gonna have to interchange between DH and first base going forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't sign a DH now until one of those guys is gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's gonna be difficult.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And can you move devours?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can, I think, this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have them in that money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can have to eat some of the money and it's not going to happen this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you need to have to have a tremendous, tremendous first half of the season and the giants are not in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm talking, you know, 25 home runs hitting 3, 10 and clutch all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you can move him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody's going to be desperate at the trade deadline to get a guy like him to push them over the top and get them to the world series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll pay a little bit for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As we know, you'll pay, you'll pay a little bit and you'll lose a little bit if you think you can win the world series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of a given.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I just want to see the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: not swing through fastballs right down the middle, like they're just they're just challenging and they're like we don't believe you can hit this and you don't believe you can hit this either and that's like oh my gosh like you know the time comes for you when you so whatever he needs to do in the off season

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't know how you fix that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's an eyesight thing, I don't know if he's pulling off the baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We talked a little bit about bat speed and my buddy Jared side there's worry that as Devers got older that his bat speed was just going to slow down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, some of it, you know, I know my son would like to see him in a little bit better shape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that speeds up as bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I don't know if it does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't know if that speeds it up because you've, look, look at the bat speeds because that's on baseball, so Vaunt now and the last couple seasons is bat speeds exactly in the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that could be a problem, too, even though it's exactly the same, he could have just had not fantastic fat speed or cheat a little bit to get to the fastball because when he does swing, like you see, swinging out of his ass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, but then when he decides not to swing, it looks like a complete guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's looking for a particular pitch and then there's a fastball down the middle on your like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'd be a good Yankees and that ball park right that's handed in that ball park.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Excuse me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's end this by talking about our guy, Bryce, if there is a bright spot in this season, I think it's Bryce.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It might be, uh, you know, Logan Webb these last few starts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been awesome lights out exactly who he's always been for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, uh, yeah, Bryce is, you know, you don't I almost

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I almost don't want to believe it too much because I feel like, you know, Lucy's going to pull the football back when I try and kick it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's kind of what I feel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, there is a lot to like about what he is doing when he, like, I'm just watching these that bats and I'm like, yeah, he's going to strike out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have his troubles of strikeouts at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got this, you know, he's got these long swing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's also fighting and he's also, it almost looks like because he's so young, it almost looks like he's just becoming a smarter hitter every single at that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's like figuring things out as these that bats happen, which is awesome to see just like, because we saw a lot of the stuff in the miners, you know how he was, his numbers didn't look fantastic in certain ways in the miners, then you watch them in the majors and you're like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're pitching him a specific way, and they'll eventually figure out what the holes are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They always do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They come for everybody, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for now, it just looks so solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the word that I keep thinking about with him is solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for a person to be that young and be solid, that solid is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And his numbers, if you wanted to pro-rate them for a season, not saying he's going to continue doing this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: if you pro rate is current numbers like he's going to have a really, really excellent rookie year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so on a bad team, but sometimes it works out that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he's got he's got half the games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The most of our regular starters had because he came up a little bit later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, and that was the biggest knock on him, right, is that he wasn't going to walk

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was going to strike out a lot because his strikeout clip was up near what in the miners 28% 29% and they said as soon as he gets to the majors, that's going to translate to like 35%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's at 20% and is walk rate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though he's only played in half the games that the rest of the team has, his walk rate is 13.2% that's best on the team, behind Chapman's 10.7% or ahead of 10, Chapman's 10.7% and that's really what he's become, and it's amazing to watch too,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has been extremely patient and locked in and I agree to sometimes you worry about that because you go look at the minor league numbers

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's locked in right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What happens when he goes over 15 over the course of three games is that walk rate can start dipping because he's struggling and he's trying to put the ball in place.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's trying to get out of the slump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's trying to hit his way out of the slump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be a little bit of a test to see if that ever happens, which it will.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 162 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but but the experience that he's getting right now is tremendous and and him playing every day is just a huge and that walkoff grand slam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when he when he came up and that game against Washington, the bases were loaded, uh, you know, we were in the chat group and we were sitting there going, this is it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you, you write, you, you can't write this any better for this kid to have this moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: against a lefty was, you know, something we were not quite expecting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you would have said that, you know, last year, elder is just going to be hit in lefties, like he's hitting righties.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We would have said he'd better make the team right out of the gate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe being in AAA a little bit at the beginning of the season helped him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure it did because it gave him more of bats and better chance to kind of see things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can't have those abats when, when, uh, Harar and Karnas are taking those abats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I saw something he'd just signed in Japan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No major league team wanted him except nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That tells you what a waste and, and what a terrible decision that was to keep Harar on the roster and, uh, not have, uh, Brice Elder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, again, I, you know, you don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: AAA could have helped out, you know, rice a little bit, but yeah, it's fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so fun to have finally a hitting prospect come up that we're like, oh, this is the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I even get, I even get bothered when they replace him and late in the game like defensively or for a runner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, what happens if they're like, this team can't hold the, hold the lead to say their life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What if this team comes back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need him and they'll kill him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, it just goes to show you like, you know, I, I don't know what the deal is with these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not knowing the outs, but Jonah, Jonah Cox comes in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pinterest for Bryce.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's I forget who hits and maybe to arise or someone hits a pop up third basement in fair territory catches it one out Jonah Cox is just running on just running on the on the swing and I'm like you're in the game you know that one of your roles is to be a pinch runner because your fastest all hell and you can steal bags and

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[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't that one of the things you got to pay attention about when being a pinch runner, being a defensive replacement, you kind of have to understand where the game is at that moment and he'd and then the first base coach, like, hey, man, just want to sort of remind you, go one out, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like who like did that conversation not happened?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh my gosh, like that's the stuff in in

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[SPEAKER_01]: that when you think about bad baseball teams, that happens, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, whether the players don't care, whether they're not given the right information or there's not a correct process or, you know, organization or whatever structure,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like this it just feels like the team is so sloppy and they have so many of these like really heavy vets and it's just for whatever reason they just feel like a sloppy baseball team and I don't know I that that's the stuff that it's kind of embarrassing on the field when you see stuff like that and we've had a couple of those times

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, oh, probably like I was gonna say that to be fair, that can happen on a great team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You might see that once in a season from a great team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The difference is it doesn't happen like seven times like it's happened in the game so far this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also on a great team, you're gonna have somebody that can replace that guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That guy will be sat for a couple of games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Until he figures out like that was really bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, with the giants, Jonah Cox is gonna be out there the next inning, playing defense, he's in the next game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no room to sit anybody down on a bad team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There should be, because you're not trying to gain anything at this point, but yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, we have,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Interesting week coming up because.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They got the brave of schedule in the braves are 46 and 25 as of today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Currently, the best team in all of baseball, the Dodgers are right there behind them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The brewers are right there behind them as well, but in Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't have, I don't have too many high hopes here, three gamer, and then go to Florida.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Another three gamer, the marlins are 500 team, which is still quite a bit better than the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you know, we'll see, maybe they'll surprise us, but I'm not expecting it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm really just, I'm kind of like waiting for something to happen, where

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[SPEAKER_01]: Vatello and Buster, they just got a talk and they just have to like, you know, do something because like you said, they are really lucky that they're going on the road because they don't have to answer to the fans for the next game, you know, so yeah, all right, that'll be it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll be back next week, for Brad, I am WG, we will see you when we see you piece out,