Kent In, Bonds Out: Giants Hall of Fame Debate & Luciano Waived | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_01]: back week the second week in a row that we're back we did we're wondering like should we record today and then we went from doing no show to a 20 minute non live show to hold the craps there's a lot of stuff going on to like a full show yeah all of a sudden Jeff Kent makes the hall of fame the giants add coaches and others this conversation

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[SPEAKER_01]: If the giant's aren't gonna really sign anybody to the huge money, do they dangle one Bryce Eldridge?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know Buster answered that question today, but I think it's so worth discussion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's start with the first part of the news, which is Jeff Kent makes the Hall of Fame, thanks to the, what is it called the historical election committee.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen like two or three different things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't even know what it is, but either way, they've got a lot of power with only 16 votes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what's funny is obviously I saw his name on the ballot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just never thought that he would be the guy that they would pick, not that he's not deserving because he's one of the greatest hitting second basement of all time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the perfect

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... supplemental player or the perfect uh... backup or uh... i guess he didn't run a berry for a lot of the time as well to berry and you know the giant i don't know if he necessarily has the the rosiest relationship with the giants fans especially because he left the giants to go play for the dodgers but still he's he had he had his best seasons well in the orange and black he kind of became a star

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[SPEAKER_01]: after leaving Cleveland and he's he's one of the guys and there's a little bit of a bittersweetness because we would have rather seen Barry make it other than Jeff but Jeff making it is a really nice story too and I was following his comments because again like I'm not I'm not really sure what he feels about the giant's fan base like I don't does he even come around I don't I don't remember seeing him often

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's got to be well, but yeah, he's got to go in a giant jersey, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the best years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he said, he said, he said, he actually said, I want to go into the Hall of Fame as a giant, that I mean, that's, yeah, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His six years in San Francisco without those, he's not a Hall of Famer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the, I guess the relationship that I keep coming back to with the giant's fan base, do you think,

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[SPEAKER_01]: if it wasn't so acrimonious with bonds that we would think differently about him a little bit not that we don't appreciate him because definitely appreciate him but there are other players who had lesser careers than Jeff Kent who we kind of wrap our arms around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's that's a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was really thinking about that one to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, why?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do giants fans not look at Jeff Kent as one of like the great giants?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and really the honestly the only thing I can come up with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was during his playing career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the majority of time was spent as a giant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that 900 games as a giant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As a matter of fact, I think he had exactly nine other games as a giant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And 498 or something like that as the next team behind that, which was the meds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're talking about a jump of like 400 games, difference, but why don't Giants think of him in the same breath as other Giants grades, like Will Clark, who did about the same amount of time or so and I think it's, I think any time a Giants player goes directly from San Francisco to Los Angeles, there's a little bit of a slight felt breath,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brett Butler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Jason Schmidt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about Brian Wilson though?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, kind of the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, Brian Wilson didn't really have much of a career in L. Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Jeff Kent had had success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brett Butler had success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those two guys who have go on to L.A. and have success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a bit of a problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's a little bit of a, uh, solid a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only thing I can really come up with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, yeah, I guess for me is a giant fan kind of the sweet spot is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: eight years, five years, six years is good, seven years is better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eight years is kind of that sweet spot for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Psychologically, it's just what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that has a little bit to do with it the fact that he goes right on to LA, you know, has the same success there and it's kind of tapers off after a few years, but you know, has himself a good

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, yeah, the, it's just that there's not that cutleriness when you think of Jeff can't and I do wonder how much it has to do with the way that the Bay Area appreciates bonds because they know that they didn't we know that they didn't really get along.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Jeff, so they asked Jeff about Barry not getting in and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, OK, Jeff, you have the opportunity here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have the opportunity to make things good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can love you again, Jeff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Barry's Instagram did a nice post about Jeff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And well, he's like congratulates us to Jeff on making the Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was, maybe John Shea, one of the beat writers asked Jeff about what he thinks about Barry now making it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it wasn't up to me, you know, Barry had nothing to do with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Barry and I were great for each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, I think his, maybe the thing that was holding him back was because he was so out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: publicly against steroids and very much for the increased drug testing when all of this stuff happened, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you kind of the meaning behind the meaning in this small competitiveness between Barry and Jeff is, I was clean and I won MVP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was not clean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so there was always that between them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought it was a good opportunity for him to go, you

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[SPEAKER_01]: water under the bridge fantastic time together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was not who I was going to be without him and I feel like maybe I helped him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he didn't do it that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did it like, you know, I didn't have a vote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I not that I really care that much and I was like, okay, Jeff, this is why I love you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, he just pretty much kind of brushed it off and was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't have a vote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just say it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, say it one way or the other, it's, you know, on the fence, where she was she, and I get it, you know, it's his big day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's his big day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got elected to the Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it should be about him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is what the Bay Area also is wondering about is, you know, do you guys exchange Christmas cards and Jeff basically tells us, yeah, probably not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He sends me Instagram posts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a nice one that's probably the.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The most people have thought about Jeff Kent in a very long time and it's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad he's going in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Other giants fans, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about earlier, and it's not that we don't think about him any time you put together some of the greatest teams, there aren't any other second baseman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really think about and or most people other than Jeff Kent, that's kind of the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we all love Tito Fuentes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We all love Robbie Thompson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Jeff can't so Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was at a different level with the bat for sure for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, now that there was a thing I remember back in the day, it was like right Ryan Samberg and Ryan Sammer Call of Famer and one of the things about Samberg was he had such a high fielding percentage and I remember I've said this on the show before I remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's Dwayne Kipers said that Ryan Stamberg would have to dive for balls that Robbie Thompson could get on his feet and not to say that Robbie Thompson was a Hall of Famer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I absolutely not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wasn't healthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have the hitting stats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Jeff can't as a second baseman as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you hit it to him, he was going to field it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things he did very well, which people are bringing up, and you remember, because Jeff Kent's kind of a big guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a big second baseman, and he would hang in there on the double play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in some cases, take some tough slides there, and that was kind of his his defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he even even had to even mention that in the article that I read where he was just like, yeah, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got a bad rap and it seemed like the bad rap stayed with me even when I improved as a defender.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what he said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, congrats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be cool to see him and then

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we got some other ones coming up, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like Buster, it's a Bochi, who else?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this brand Sabian up for some sort of thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think he might be that you get the executives in there and all of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that might be, I don't really pay attention to too much of that, unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, unfortunately, it just doesn't mean as much as when we were little kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, not really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the broadcasters for us, that's, well, it's cheaper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of was the one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe it was maybe it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it was cheaper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who could try for being a forward?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That that one's super fun for us because we're big, you know, we're big radio nuts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just like listening to those guys, I just, you know, I just relish the time that I have with those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you never know, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like especially with the crew goes in his, his health conditions, but that that due to still bust and as much as he can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just, you know, you want to make sure you hear as much crew can type as you can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now is is Kruko up for it or not, so it's like, I think it's only hyper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yeah, I'm looking at the finalists right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kaper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dan Schoeman's up for wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of these cool guys are up for it, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Al Michaels.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How is Al Michaels not in?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's got to get in, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I guess he's, if this is specifically baseball, he's probably more well known for the NFL, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think now Michael's, he did some giant schemes for like a short amount of time, I think, I did it today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, my bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, he is in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How Michael's is in causes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They put the list of first of people who have wanted, but this year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: let's see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're they're not given.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are they not giving first names?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could you give first?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're saying carry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it ship?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, which which carry is it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a couple of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cohen is that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave Cohen, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Broadcast for the match I believe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, they're not given like phone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, come on, whoever wrote that list may make it hard on the pod gesters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I found it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Joe blocks up for it's skip, Kerry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it wasn't chip at skip, um, Gary Cohen, uh, Twain Kieper, John Rooney, Dan Schulman, John Sterling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of big names.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those are some really big names.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's kind of, and how many I don't even know how many make it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm not sure, I don't know if they're going to do, uh, including a requirement at least one candidate be a foreign language broadcast or so there's that interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm surprised I don't Trump didn't, uh, make sure that that one doesn't happen anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then turn around and nominate himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we also had some news that was like the bummer of all bummer news, which was like I had no idea that Marco Luciano was even waived or left on waivers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was total surprise when I when you texted that to me, I was like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This can't be right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way this is correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was up on a ladder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was up on a ladder in my watchbuzz.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I looked at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm re-calking the inside of a window.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually, I was on the outside at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm rushing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so cocking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you're going to do a cocking over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you're cocking with like GE Supreme cock, then you've got to get it like between 40 degrees and 100 degrees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I miss my opportunity about a month ago to get this done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is now like

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[SPEAKER_00]: 5 p.m., the sun is down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at my watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's 41 degrees, so I'm really hurrying to get this done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get the alert from you on my watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh my god, I can't stop and check this out because this is like big news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I ran out of caulking and I had to drive to A's pick up more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come back, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I found out and I was, I was shocked by the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this is our guy who, we're desperately trying to find a spot form.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Desperately trying to get the guy like 200 consecutive at bats in the major leagues, just see what he can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now we'll never know what he could do at Oracle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you gave me visions of, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chevy Chase and Christmas vacation on the ladder, putting up the lights when you said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was up there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was jamming it into the cracks and I'm like, I got to get it in here and then I ran out and I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's 41 degrees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, I got a drive to Ace Hardware pick up another.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you pay, you pay like 18 bucks for the really good tube.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I only needed like enough for about six more inches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the waste meal gosh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the the frustration I think is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the hypotheticals and, you know, you can't go back in time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're, we're Monday morning quarterback in this whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Margot Luciano was one of like the top three or four prospects in the game at some point in his career and we were salivating at the idea of when the sky was coming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't wait for the sky to come up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not trade him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be the man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we had to go through the the whole Farhan thing of like this to just he's the opening day short stop like we're We're going with them and then like the next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not He's back down again and just like what the F is going on here like nobody treats your nick on med Nobody treats their top prospect this way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why are we doing it this way and then and then by the time that Buster comes like you know Luciano's already like 23 he's been at the organization for five years or six years

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it was just like, oh, he's just been on waivers and the Pittsburgh pirates who were like, hey, we picked up Joey Bart from them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe maybe we got something like maybe they just can't handle these guys and then they picked up Luciano.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was such a bummer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know what to think of yet because yet Bart goes over there has a decent he has a 2.2 War year has first year in Pittsburgh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then last year was like 0.5 so it wasn't, you know, that big video is injured quite a bit and play a whole lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So who knows, still what's going to be with him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brian Reynolds, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right, it traded off to Pittsburgh and he's had a fairly nice career falling off the last few years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I don't know what to expect from Luciano.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We could still use Brian Reynolds, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We still could have some.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you look at Luciano, he's got to be your DA, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they also just gave a contract offered to Kyle Schwarber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, but again, it's not that you pick up Luciano off of waivers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's not, if you've got a roster spot on your 40 man, what's the harm?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's, there's a good chance to that Luciano doesn't even make it out of spring training ends up on the waiver wire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get to get traded another year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and since we are the Bay Area sports podcast here, I will not that this means anything to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I will compare it to the warriors they had the number two draft pick in I think it was 2020 or 2021 and

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a team that was, you know, had come off of a few championships, and they sucked this one year, Steph Curry got hurt, and they had this number two draft pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was during COVID, so it wasn't the same kind of draft, and they draft this kid, who was a freshman at Memphis, playing for Penny Hardaway, and his name is James Wiseman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: basically by the time, you know, two, three years down in line, this number one pick turned into trading for Gary Peyton, the second who they'd already had, but he had signed somewhere else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he, he, he was like the future, and then two years later, he was already the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he, he got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he had signed with Indiana, so Indiana went to the finals last year, he gets hurt this at the end of last year or sometime in last year and doesn't even make the team this year cut out of the NBA and it's like this dude is like you know it's only drafted like four years ago or five years ago like what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like 19 or 20 when he was drafted and as this is what

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[SPEAKER_01]: though athletes fault, or is it the process of the team in building him through the system?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think we know 100%, but, you know, I don't imagine that

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Luciano crew was very happy with the way that Farhan handled him there at the end, but then if you're far and you're like, we got to figure out if this guy's anything at some point, like let's test him and then he could not play majorly shortstop, which I think we saw literally from like the first ground ball that was it to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, like it's the first first or second game he played and he had a couple of errors and one that lost them the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we thought, okay, well, that's this is not going to be he's not Omar Viscale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not even like one eight to Bob Marth Viscale.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably signed his fate was when they brought in Chapman because the idea was always, and this was Keith Logo and back to the early early, early Luciano days where he was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Luciano is not a great shortstop now and he's only going to get bigger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a third basement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then when they sign Chapman, then you're like, okay, well, he's the third basement, so you can't play Luciano at third.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they tried to move it a second, they tried to move in the outfield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he just became less valuable by not being a shortstop or a third basement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and you also had a, you know, potential goal- Glover in Casey Schmidt, who was playing third in the miners as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like you can't take reps away from Schmidt to give him deluciano.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, there's a reason Farhan's gone, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's multiple reasons why Farhan's gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's development.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw a lot of these guys come in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw Kyle Harrison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw Luciano.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw Hunter Bishop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The list goes on and on and on and these guys who were touted as high prospects and not necessarily hand-picked by Farhan but through his system and just kind of faltered throughout at each level and just never really really paned out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, granted 100 Bishop had a lot of injury issues but still it kind of shows you

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where was the development?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where were the, you know, the gold stars that came through the system that popped up and did what they were supposed to do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: lots of questions with the bat, but he's a great defensive catcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't had the complete package really come through through that farm system through Farhan's years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of where we're hoping a bus reposing made a lot of trades at the trade deadline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got a lot of youth in, had a draft under his belt, another off season of maybe moving more parts and getting more into the farm system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm excited to see what we can do and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lucy, I was just going to be always one of those reminders of what could have been, but we don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could, we could never speak his name again, because he just kind of disappears.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, obviously we'll be keeping an eye on him in spring training and then wherever he is next season and the miners are in the majors on the major league roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he doesn't have to be on the major league roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He does have, although actually, you know what, he's out of options, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's why they pretty much had to wave them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's either going to be waved again or traded or on the major league roster to start the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, moving on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk a little bit about the new coaches that they hired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ron Washington, the wash.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... he's returning and he's gonna help out with the infield and it's just you know you never it's never a bad thing when you have run washington on your coaching staff yeah and it's really it's really cool i didn't even think about it because you you think of him as a manager and you're like oh why don't you know what do you want to come back as a bench coach so i didn't even think about it but

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've been talking about Vitalo and how he needs to pump up his staff with, you know, really savvy veterans of coaching staff, and we bring in another one like this guys legitimately someone, you know, if Vitalo gets kicked out of the game, Ron Washington is probably the manager right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would think so, John Washington.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Jason could be as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Jason Taylor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you've got a lot of options.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, you can collaborate on it, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you remember Ron Washington had to step down the Los Angeles with the angels because he, you know, heart issues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, had to step away from the game, but but also I don't know if you remember but back when we were in the process of going to hire Bob Melvin, but before that we kind of had a wish list my wish list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had Ron Washington on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought, you know, that would make a great manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would shore up the defense for us, help in those situations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so yeah, it's kind of best for both worlds now because.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can take the time he needs if he, you know, feels he needs a little bit of time off because of the the hard issues, then he can take a break and doesn't have to, you know, have the rigors of of managing day in and day out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's awesome man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's really going to help guys like Casey Schman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to help guys like a Thomas absolutely going to help guys like Eldridge and and devours and food space.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, pretty exciting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I thought he was going to play until he was about 90.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, oh, they, they're signing Chavez to be like the back end of like Republican, like, okay, that makes a lot of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, can you do that, maybe you can be a player coach, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we need a seven thinning guy to say, hey, Chavez pop out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got a uniform on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, totally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then, so we have a Dodgers fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this person's Dodgers fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: saying legendary dodger Jeff can't finally go into the by the way pocket pocket rude boy you will you will like this because I am bringing on my buddy Draven for our giant dodgers you know every other month or so podcast on Tuesday evening

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to ask him about Jeff Kent, like, what do you think about, you know, do you consider Jeff Kent a Dodger?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He probably doesn't because he considers a magiant and he hates a giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm going to ask him about Jeff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was saying, you know, we were talking offline because I was just talking to him about doing the show and he's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a little worried about mookie and Freddie because they're getting up there and mookie didn't have a great year and the doctors were on the hook for six more years of mookie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is yeah, that's what we talked about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in the offseason last year were like, you know what, they sign show hate all these years, but all their guys are just getting older man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so how long are you going to stick around?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But their pockets are deep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can do whatever they want and they can go out and sign guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now they're trying to move to Oscar possibly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, let's watch a movie part of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's a it's a it's an embarrassment of riches so that's kind of what that situation is and they can probably do other teams into making a mooky bets type of trade and get a guy like that in his prime yeah if they won't give up give up you know three or four top prospects and i guarantee you have top prospects put the guy back in right field and he's going to be better

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[SPEAKER_01]: Show having him play shortstop, rookie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Having him play shortstop is just a different level of like, you know, a thing's that he's got to worry about and and on his body and I would just put him back in right field and see if you can find like a defensive player and his bat that do 9th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what they're going to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to trade for Seeger, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could Seeger even play short and stop these days?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's the idol.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's had so many injuries in the last couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, he's he's a guy you want to just send out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were lots of duct tape and just say, you know, I hope they hit the ball right at you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, pocket root voice has nothing to love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giants on the upswing now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we look, we, we have a segment called

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[SPEAKER_01]: We want Dodgers fans to come comment on our stuff when we talk, you know, when we talk tongue and cheek or negatively about the Dodgers because we're just so bitter about success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the rivalry is is the best for me obviously best in all sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can have your Yankees red socks or whatever, but the giant Dodgers just, you know, you know why it's because

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have to tune in of 4 p.m.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we had 7 p.m. And look, you know, if the judges win the 3 p.m.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There might be a different conversation that we have on this podcast about maybe quitting baseball altogether.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to write a letter to the convention.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so the giants, you know, Washington Chavez, I think,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be inauthentic of us to go like coaches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know coaches like we know exactly how that's going to turn like you know you wash in a great name and bring in a former manager who knows about Chavez.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you know you just bring in a guy who's very has played so recently and is interested in coaching and and seems like you know that could be a help but the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we'll see how that works out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it's just someone that said sent me a meme.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I sent it to you guys, where it's that Drake meme, but it had a cluster posing on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like giant signing free agents and it's like one face and then it's like giant signing coaches and it's like the other face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's what they're doing right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just signing coaches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're building up that coaching staff, but the exciting part is for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is Buster's first coaching staff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're like, okay, let's see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what the the champ can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The three time champ.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what kind of coaching staff him and the guys can put together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not left over for anybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I always said, give them a couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buster post his first year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Full first year is head of baseball operations isn't going to be the stamp on what this team is he needs some time Work on the the farm system work on the coaching staffs Work on philosophy up and down You know throughout the entire organization from you know from the San Francisco Giants to the You know Arizona fall league a team so that that's kind of what what I want to see or the next couple of years

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's got a, the pharma system can only go up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was pretty much it started in July though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it really took a boost in July.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they, they made some trades and they got, they got some guys who are possibly interesting for us this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But okay, let's end the show with the discussion about the winter meetings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the winter meetings is where last year Buster, you know, kind of puffed out as chest a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this year, it seems like it's a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we've heard from Greg Johnson about whether or not they're going to go after, you know, some big, big time pictures and the Andy baggly article about how they're probably not on Emy because it's just, they're, they're

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're going back to the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why I like talking about the Dodgers is because obviously the success aspect of what they do as much as I hate them, they do give you a nice blueprint of what works today in baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that works is

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[SPEAKER_01]: depth, especially in the pitching staff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if, like, let's say, I don't know how much EMI is going to cost per year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just say 30 million a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's the number.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's say 30 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It very well could be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you take his 30 million and you split it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: three or four ways and try and bring four arms in instead of just one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What you're doing is what something that you said a couple years ago, which was really smart, which is you don't have a five-man rotation anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like an eight or a nine-man rotation because of how the injuries work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: what the giants had last year when they were going strong was good starting pitching until that starting pitching when a ride in the injuries piled up and then they had no starting pitching except for Logan Webb because he's just the man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder if the idea is, look, we can throw all this money at one guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that one guy, maybe he makes 30 starts, maybe he doesn't, or we throw the money at four or five guys and see if we can put together this staff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to where we're not having to bring up, you know, Carson was in hunt to make five starts, and he's not ready, but we needed him because we knew that he could go for innings for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder if that's the strategy, not saying that that's a great strategy, because why can't you get both?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no salary cap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But by the way that they're doing this, I wonder if that's the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who those three or four pictures or five pictures would be?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I wonder if that's the thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For 30 million a year, give me Kyle Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That being said, I think the problem is if you go for an e-mye,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden, Robby Ray's gone after this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got one year left on his meal, and I'd get a replace him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you start to replace him this year, and you get three starting pictures this year, two starting pictures this year, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And a couple of minor league deals for some older guys, and stick him in Sacramento.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let them work some things out again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Organizational philosophy when it comes to pitching,

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the way down the line you start to get them involved the next season maybe they're like, hey, I like what's going on here My numbers went up things got better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's now room for me on the major league roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to take a hit there I mean, most likely they're gonna get a chance if you sign a minor league deal as a pitcher and you're a veteran This year with San Francisco Giants, I think there's a chance you're going to get another rotation at some point for a couple of starts at least and can show what you got So so yeah, I am

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm falling in line a little bit more with the not signing a Framber Valdez or an EMI to a large contract for seven or eight years, just because I would rather spend that money on offense and then deal with pitching because again you've got the X factor in the ballpark at Oracle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That also hurts your hitting a little bit, but if you got guys who can put the ball in play and you've got guys who can hit with power on the road, you're going to do some damage pitching will hang in there, especially if you go and spend some of that money on the bullpen and you're going to really nasty bullpen if you can get through five innings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you could turn it over to the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're going to be, you know, cruising right along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, it's, the whole thing is really interesting of how you want to make up the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing, there's, you know, in, in monopoly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a bunch of different ways to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's what strategy do you want to start with and then stick with and go with you can't change your strategy halfway through because in your screwed so so we're about to see here I think pretty soon what the giants strategy is going to be from the front office going forward for the next few years and I think this offseason this is where we're going to see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So did you see, this is football thing, but you saw Daniel Jones, he tore his Achilles, and Indianapolis is having a good season, and now they lost their QB1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and they called Philip Rivers was 44 years old and a grandfather.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I'm 52, and I'm not a grandfather, thankfully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to put that out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'm older than Philip and I, I am also not a grandfather.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just thought it was like, wow, like this man hasn't played football in a little while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he hears it and and just I can't imagine like that's a tough position, but maybe You know, maybe maybe maybe he's just gonna get rid of the ball as soon as humanly possible so it doesn't get hit But it gave me the thought because we had Viral Ender yet last year He wasn't spectacular, but he was solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's the thought of bringing in max sure's there

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[SPEAKER_01]: We would have two old guys, you know, in the starting rotation, not that Verlander is coming back, but just the idea that if he did, and you had sure to get a two old guys, you know, who is in the historical, uh, the Hall of Fame election and didn't get the five votes needed to be on the ballot next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roger Clemens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bring back the rocket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's break back the rocket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Add him to that thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just give him all the juice that he would possibly need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, just don't test him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, maybe we can't test him, but we have some pretty smart chemists out here who could probably figure out how to get, you know, and then he plays for one year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he restarts his Hall of Fame thing again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It may maybe get Barry and AB just so he can restart his Hall of Fame things that's what they need to do and there was talk about that a few years ago wasn't there to get Barry back on board and have them you know play in a game you know these are jerky Hall of Fame voters though they would hold that against him so so hard sure they would yeah but I'm completely joking but just you know are there other players like Scherzer

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[SPEAKER_01]: who could give you a year or two that are on the margins who won't cost you a whole lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like that's what their market is right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just finding or trading, making trades, which is how they got devours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that kind of segues into the last thing we're gonna talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which is Bryce Eldridge, that is the one piece out there that every team probably wants from the giants if they were able to make a trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And would you trade Bryce Eldridge knowing that, you know, he's still a young dude and he's got the power to hit 30 jacks a year if he

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[SPEAKER_01]: would you dangle him for the prospect of winning a little bit more in 2026 versus waiting for him to to blossom?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would dangle him if I wanted to lose my head as a head of baseball operation because if you lose Luciano and Eldridge in the same offseason, I don't think that's going to go over very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you need to see what elders can do first, although he's going to lose some trade value.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he doesn't have a fantastic 2026, that if he does have a fantastic 2026, he's not going anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're going to trade him, you've got to trade him with the fog of war, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or you just don't know what he is yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You only know you can go to other teams and say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: look at these home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at this power.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the only way you're going to get something out of him right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because again, if he, if he hits 25 to 30 home runs next year, but hits like 220, I think you still have to hang on to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you can get rid of a guy like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, what if you could get better?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What if you could get Jacob Durand to play centerfield

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[SPEAKER_00]: There'd have to be more involved in just Iran, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would think there's got to be Iran and some pitching coming back to us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Harrison is like, I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm ready to come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I read an article where he was not very happy with the giants in their development.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, and that's why I brought that up again earlier, Kyle Harrison.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why it's through his name in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He took some shots at the development for the giants and basically saying,

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[SPEAKER_00]: they didn't really have any ideas for any other pitches and then I come here to Boston and Pawtuck it and all of a sudden they've got ideas for different pitches for me and things are starting to really kind of develop so good for him and hi yeah good and and I took that as a shot at farhons regime and I said well there you go so you know this is what happens and I and I don't blame Buster Buster was just trying to do what he had to do and he wasn't part of the development of collars probably good I mean Kyle probably thankful that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because Colin Harrison never even threw to Buster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they weren't even on the same team at any point either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't fault him on that, especially if you're going to get Rafi Devers out of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, so yeah, I don't, I mean, God, if you're going to trade Aldridge and article I read today was like, unless I see the name like Terriek Scooble, you know, I think there was one other one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Skin, other than that, yeah, skins and Scooble, if it's not either of those guys, I'm probably saying, no, they're not going to get not even like a hundred green.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't, I'd have to look at his contract and see what kind of control he has left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even him, last year was kind of his first good year, so they'd be selling high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we'd be technically selling elder high or low at this point because we just, he's the unknown, you'd be selling prospect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: label and that's pretty much it so yeah I wouldn't do it personally I wouldn't do it all right well we went from no show to some show to a full show there you go and you know for us to be able to do almost 45 minutes during the off season when nothing has happened except for hiring of coaches it's pretty good I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then is it today is the start of the winter meetings?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it today?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is today?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The A. I put it, you know what, Garrett, I put all this on my calendar this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, because I did not want to Apple calendar or Gmail calendar on my iOS calendar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: MLB winner meeting starts today goes through Wednesday or did it start, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It started yesterday goes through Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what tomorrow is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The MLB draft lottery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they'll be picking balls and figuring out who's picking where and then on Wednesday, the way the little five draft the Rockies, they have to get the first pick right you would think, but with the way that's gone the last couple of years, I think the white socks were supposed to get their first pick one year and they didn't I think the A's and it'll get but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it'll be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the draft lottery position is tomorrow, and then the MLB rule five draft is on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're expected to make a move there because of the getting rid of Luciano and the timing that they did it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: things I've seen, they've talked about possibly going after a reliever and remember a rule five draft you pick somebody they have to be on your active 26 man roster, the entire season that you pick them, but if you decide to send them back down they have to go back to the original rate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, one thing I wanted to mention before we get out here,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned the F.P.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Santangelo Susan Slusser podcast last week, which is really good, and I'm still listening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did listen to a couple and I enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, F.P.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that Greg Johnson and making that comment and Andy vaguely is article about the giants possibly being out on a paying big time money for a starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He thought it could be a little bit of a smoke screen just because maybe you don't want to give away your strategy here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... i don't i don't know i don't think baggly would have reported it that way if he didn't truly believe it and source it so i lean towards baggly but same fp did make that comment which i thought was uh... what was pretty interesting and you know i uh... i i

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to find, do you know anyone who knows F.P?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We should, they would be awesome if we got him on this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that'd be fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know anybody, but maybe Darren Chan can get us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, Darren, just find out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't wonder about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, I think it'd be fun just because he's kind of like us, essentially, yeah, yeah, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kind of fan, like we are, but so it'd be fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If there is stuff going on, we'll do something next week, but if not, you know, maybe not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, we are in December, winter meetings are happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, we're getting closer to Christmas, which is ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like one day away from Christmas being like two weeks or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or yeah, I think we're 17 days out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, less than three weeks away from Christmas, which is ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll figure it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But too fast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I mentioned, Giants vs. Dodgers will, we may go live tomorrow evening, late in the evening for the East Coasters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure we're going live, but just in case, you know, just just like, not 100%, but I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes maybe maybe like eight,

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[SPEAKER_01]: 15, 830 Pacific or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if not, what we'll still put a show up on YouTube and obviously in the audio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just be on the lookout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I get to listen to Draven Crow about his, his Dodgers team, but he, he's actually interested in what the giants are doing because he keeps tabs on us, just like we keep tabs on them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to watch your rival.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, at being a Rams fan, I do watch the nine or news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to know what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watch the C. Hawkins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to know what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm you're you're running back situation is frustrating me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though I have both running back on one of my fantasy teams because I just figured put them both in I tell you put them both in right now because you did I just don't think you can tell Yeah, it's it's going to be I may have to do that because I don't have a in this league that I'm thinking of I don't have a quality number two So I might have to just put both of them in

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and but but this week we play Detroit and Detroit has a tough time against the run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there could be some there could there could be some dual running back stuff in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alrighty that is it for me here for Brad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am double G. We will see when we see you piece out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace.