Jimmy Butler ACL Injury: Is the Warriors' Season Over? Kuminga + A Look at Unrivaled | Golden State Hoop

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is time for Golden State Hupen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did not record last week for scheduling reasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's probably for the best, at least for content because we would have not had the Jimmy Butler injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been the all, what are we going to do with Jonathan coming a podcast, and then by the time we recorded this week, we would have had to undo all of it because everything has changed about the Golden State Warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about the Jimmy Butler situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk a little bit about coming a situation because it's kind of tied together

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk unrivaled, because I've been watching a lot of unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm following my team, the mist, Brianna Stewart, Veronica Burton, Eureka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the two other bigs on that team, I forget their names, you can see how closely I'm following.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I'm following closely, but that this kind of dovetails into one of the, not one of the issues, but something I'd like to see improved about the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so we'll talk warriors and Jimmy, and then we'll talk unrivaled after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So why don't we kick it off with,

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... some death line up here brine rewatching live when jimmy got hurt i was like ten minutes behind but i saw someone say something in the discord and then like i got scared and so i was i was covered for the next ten minutes and then it happened pods pass

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was well, I mean, I knew though they've been they've been kind of doing that with Jimmy since he got there right kind of like he gets to front the defender and then they throw it high and he just plays like wide receiver and catches it and goes up to you know, they do it a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was even further behind than you was like a half an hour behind and so every time he got the ball I was just oh my gosh, it's going to happen here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it didn't because it didn't happen until early in the third quarter, but what I was watching, I was like, this band jumps up in the air and lands on one leg a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just watching him generally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, he's in, he's a super freak of an athlete.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, why do he to be like the best white receiver in the history of the NFL if he wanted to play football instead of basketball?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But oh my gosh, it's just just watching and trying to predict and then seeing how it actually happened and seeing him grab his knee when he went down was excruciating to watch and

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, unfortunate for him, unfortunate for warriors fans because without Jimmy, what you thought was left of the possibility of this current run, kind of goes out the window and they already have to change up a plan in which they kind of pushed off last year, like last year, they were

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe similar to the warriors this year without Jimmy, maybe even worse, but they did have wigs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they were a 500 team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is, I mean, is that kind of what you predict them to be without, but Laura, do you think they're actually worse than a 500 team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I almost wonder if last year goes on farther that they would have been below a 500 team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was pretty rough to watch before Jimmy got there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to make the emergency move to get shorter because it really wasn't working and then that really wasn't working.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think they would have finished below 500 if the year kept playing out with no Jimmy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe this year it might stay 500 if guys

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is just a two game sample says, and I know they kind of got wolfed by Toronto, but it kind of seems like, you know, you got.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, you know, the guy's been terrible all year, but the moment his best bud goes down, he kind of becomes playoff buddy again, literally the home that Jimmy Butler goes down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think buddy, he'll just miss one through pointer and it's taken like 12 since Jimmy went down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just wonder if you know, pods and other your pods, if he gets more confident and he has the ball on his hands more, but I don't want to, you know, it's kind of all with the idea that

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[SPEAKER_01]: getting minutes and playing to which I know that you know with history tells us that curse going to even like even last night when coming out was making shots like I did you watch kind of his his run there in the third quarter

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[SPEAKER_01]: even some of those shots that he was taking like those are still some of the shots that curg it's pissed off at when they don't go in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of those were prayers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I just even though it was a good stint I worry that you know maybe it's just a little bit of quote unquote beginner's luck just having been on the bench for so long and just maybe teams forgot how to guard you a little bit but some of those shots that

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was putting up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he misses a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And those are the ones that get him on the bench because he stops the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He takes it himself and he just throws it up and he's getting foul calls last night that he never really gets either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't want to hate on the kids game because I thought, you know, he ended with a good stat line and it gives you a little bit of hope, but I think I'm just a little pessimistic now him being on our team for five years now and just seeing, you know, what the inevitability is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's come back to coming at the end because the way that I want to look at this is the problem is is that we have no idea what the possibilities are as far as what they can do trade-wise and and I think the main reason is because if you're another team and you just saw the warriors lose Jimmy

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[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't that make them even more desperate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and I think that was part of Dunlevy's, his media the other day was he was trying to seem calm, and he was trying to seem like, yeah, this sucks, but we're not going to just give all, you know, give everyone away or give all the picks away and, you know, for for this run, like, and I think that's how he has to play it, because if he looks desperate,

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[SPEAKER_00]: everybody's possible trade offers with the warriors, they just added a number one draft or a first round draft pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think we'll look at it right now as these are the guys that they're going with and how do they stay in the playoff hunt and is should they stay in the playoff hunt?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if uh it's necessarily the right thing to fall out of the playoffs and fall into the lottery with you know at what are we looking at as far as Steph's career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be 38.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's still made.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All star team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's starting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The all star team has his his his.

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[SPEAKER_00]: very solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, um, I think he's aged much better than anybody ever thought and you're just trying to get an understatement too, you know, waiting for it to fall off, but we haven't seen it yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we cannot predict that that's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And do you really want to give that away?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to give a season like that away?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it just, you can't control it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just going to happen no matter what, the way that things work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's look at it for who they have because I have a few options that they can go with and then we can talk about whether or not we like them and I think the first option you kind of hinted at it, which is just lean into pods.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you're going to live and die with the positive, which was the other night and the negative.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In some cases, which was last night, because I don't know if one thing that I noticed, the most is with pods in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These teams had, these raptors had some open three pointers and I didn't watch closely enough to see in the rotation aspect whose fault it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know pods like the bait charges and in order to bait charges, you got to kind of hang out in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know that he likes to go for steals and he likes to, you know, do the risky stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes that takes him out of position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Bob Fitzgerald last night was just, oh my gosh, the Toronto Raptors are shooting the best in the entire or history of the MBA, and I was like, yet, because all these shots are so wide open, and they better go in, like, you can't, or after they might be the worst shooting team in the league, but they've never been so wide open before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think a 30% credible, a 30% 3.2% 3.2%

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[SPEAKER_01]: Conturn into a 60% three point shooter if left wide open all those NBA guys you watch them in warm-ups They don't miss So when they're when they're why as wide open as they are and they expect to be as wide open as they are It's almost like warm-ups for them

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[SPEAKER_00]: there seemed to be some frustration in the rotation as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was seeing guys as they were trying to figure out which shooter they were supposed to go out and cover just kind of frustrated and and like throw in their hands up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that some of that, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: these rotations need to be worked out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are going to be new rotations or rotations that they haven't done often.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's another player that they may be able to lean into as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's will Richard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if will Richard is not shooting the three well, his value in that offense goes down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if he is sticking the three,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I think he can do a lot of different things because he's very active and he's not the most athletic player on the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have JK athleticism, but he is one of the more athletic players on the team when he's actually playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not outside of JK and maybe Gary Peyton, I'm not sure there's anybody who's more athletic than him who can actually spread his arms out and get his fingertips on on balls to steal

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you give those minutes or spread those minutes around to pods will, GPs going to get some of them, GPs going to get some of them, but if you lean heavier into pods and will, I think that's an option, but the, and every option that we're going to talk about, the secondary piece of this is it also,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Showcase is in a little bit for trades and so what do you think about the pods option?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you expect me to say man sounds like it sucks?

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of these options that you lay out if there is no trade being made

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it's a game over season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but you know, maybe you do make some trades and you're actually upping the value of these guys a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but there's one or two weeks left until the deadline like this is very I guess these options then become very temporary of showcasing these guys for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'm all for upping the trade value of these players because if there is no trade made the season is over and I think it's likely that the season is over because I think this front office is too scared to enter negotiations as the team without the upper hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think even when they got Jimmy like they you know that my he was like a distressed asset in Miami like he was clearly wanted out so I don't even think the Warriors I think the Warriors even had an upper hand in that Jimmy trade they have like I just don't think that you know every every team is looking at them like you said with you know no Jimmy so they're desperate I don't think yeah I feel like they're not going to make a move if they don't feel like they're coming out on the winning side and I don't really see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: many options where they can come out on the winning side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I want star players, but in their mind, if they have to give up two to three first-round picks in the non-steff era to get those players, I don't think they do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of feel like this is a throwaway season, which is such a disappointment because, yeah, like, Steph still playing at this level, that they thought he wouldn't be playing after what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: In 2021, they thought he wouldn't be playing

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[SPEAKER_01]: 2026 we're in and he's still playing like this so it's definitely a disappointment that, you know, they didn't capitalize it on it then and and as every year passes by they're less likely to capitalize on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, sorry if you get here scratching my dogs in this room, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just I feel like the Jimmy Timing stuff it could have been worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would, you know, imagine if they had made the trade to get Michael Porter Jr. with Camingo and buddy and two first-round picks and then Jimmy goes down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that would have probably been worse case scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, it's still like even like the story telling of like they've been trying to get that Miami heat win for Jimmy like they've played the Miami heat two times now and I want to say is maybe stuff missed the first one and on the second one, they just kind of sat everyone and this is the third time they've played the Miami heat trying to get a win for Jimmy and Jimmy's Jimmy like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: came out firing man that guy I thought he was going to end up with 30 plus points by the end of the game and then he just that happens in the finally they get the win over Miami but I what cost so I mean I don't I don't know like I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't I don't really know here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that already looking at what they did to Toronto like Toronto You could sell that the wingspan was overwhelming them in the size of the Toronto players were overwhelming them But look immediately at their starting line up at what they did once Jimmy went down It was oh a guy we trust with the ball in his hands to put the ball on the floor Goes out so we have to replace him

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[SPEAKER_01]: with Brandon Pajemski, you replace a power forward with a shooting guard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's already like giving up so much size.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, they don't trust anyone else to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like even like they don't like coming up kind of reads as someone who might be able to do that, but they kind of historically never trusted them to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, they obviously want

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[SPEAKER_01]: at least three guys out there in the starting line I put the ball on the floor and it's Steph Dre and pods in this case, but it was Jimmy and so that's kind of how they've always done it is they want someone to put the, and I agree with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when you have Moses and Post out there who aren't like a pretty stationary and I feel like Post has actually been getting into some Dremon actions where he gets the ball and the short roll and then has to make a decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing all right considering how he's done in the past but still like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only, and then Dream on keeps getting wide open corners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like how many shots of Dream on this start that game man?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, you're really bad, last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Scotty is just like, please, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just please shoot the damn ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just waiting for Scotty to,

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[SPEAKER_00]: be guarding Dreyman and to be so disrespectful and like see somebody who is in the front row who's got some popcorn and just like go get some popcorn from their thing while Dreyman was shooting like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He disrespected him last game, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The turn around and then Dreyman pointed at him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the warriors still loot like blow that game, but yeah, man, this Toronto team, it's a lot more bothersome against this warriors team when they go even smaller, you know, when they have to take out Jimmy and put in Pashemski for that replacement and similar to Portland, they just got their number.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, here's the other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's the other option is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you lean into the guys that you brought on this team to chase the playoffs and the Anthony Melton's minutes go up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He maybe he doesn't play every back to back, but he plays more back to back instead of his 20, some odd minutes that he plays maybe you bump it up to like high 20s, you fill in the rest of his minutes with with Gary and Ghee and you put the Steve Kerr all stars into the lineup and give them more responsibility.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you just exhaust yourself by trying to win each and every game to make that top six in the playoffs because there are teams like if you wanted to look at it that way you look at the lakers you look at the sons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I they they don't seem like you can't get them right so you there is room to move up and now it's much harder without Jimmy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It, you know, maybe even impossible that some might say without Jimmy, but if, but if you want to give yourself

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[SPEAKER_00]: the challenge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Steve wants to showcase, you know, the best of his ability, that might be the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Currently, the warriors of 25 and 20, the lakers are the five seed at 26 and 16.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The sons are 27 and 17.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The T wolves are 27 and 17.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to imagine the timber wolves jump over the lakers and the sons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the warriors would be trying to get that lakers or son spot for

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[SPEAKER_00]: The trailblazers are underneath them, the clippers would need to get hot, but there's nobody really below them who they're worried about catapulting over them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's literally just about trying to chase the whoever's the higher seed between the lakes and the sun to get to the top six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So from that perspective, if you can just figure out how to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eke out some of these games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You go with the Steve Carol Stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You go with the Melton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You go with G. You go with G. P. Maybe will is in that to get to those minutes and that's how you fill the Jimmy minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you go to Steve Carol Stars like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think without Jimmy, this is, this is maybe a 500 roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you go 500 ball for the rest of this, the year, like, where do you end up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Your five games over 500.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 40.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 44 and 38 or 43 and 39?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess you can't technically be five games over 500, but you're in that mix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're.

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[SPEAKER_00]: trying to get to that six but even even if they go 500 there are at least a play in team they're not getting catapulted by the blazers I don't imagine the blazers

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[SPEAKER_00]: really care that much about making the play off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably want to stash one more pick and then make a run next year with Denny as their best player that that sounds like something that they'd be more because then you get damn back next year too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is I guess I would say more likely than the full lean into pods and will now if Steph got hurt

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[SPEAKER_00]: then you're talking about you just have to do something, you know, and then you do do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the Steve Coral all stars might actually be more probable though we did see pods get the start yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He definitely got to start against against, uh, again, he's gonna keep getting the start to, um, just I mean, I guess him or Melton, but I think they like the three point shooting from pods.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, more than melton, because I was thinking like, what if you start like, Steph melton, coming good, dray posts and I was like, oh, audios three point shooting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so, you know, they still haven't really ran the, the small ball five of, of, Steph melton and or pods at the two, moody coming a dray.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've never really like leaned into that and, you know, I'm not going to get my hopes up because coming a good get yanked, but that seems like a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, just, you know, we thought that maybe this team was a, I at least thought, I don't know if you thought, but I thought this team was maybe like a really quality trade away from, you know, making some noise and putting up a better fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you said, you know, they're at, if I'm reading this correctly, they're one and a half games back from the lakeers at the five seed, or is that, yeah, I think one and a half, I think there are three games back from Houston at the four seed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, so it was, it was in reach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was attainable, obtainable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, they've had a long home stretch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that could be a little misleading of how good maybe they were because world players play better at home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, maybe once they go on this for game road trip, you kind of lose some of the, the moody stuff that's been going well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't know, just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that there were maybe one quality trade away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy goes down that completely blows everything up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to be able to get in a player of Jimmy's relative caliber in a trade for Jimmy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see how really that happens unless Janice says tomorrow that I want to go to Golden State.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think you needed to get something quality for Kominga.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that this is two, what seemed like pretty improbable by getting something quality with Kominga now seems even more improbable with trying to do that twice with Kominga and Jimmy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it happens, Mike Dunleavy is the greatest GM of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the Kominga piece of this, let's circle back to Kominga.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is to showcase commingah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Dunlevy went out in front of the media.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And basically said, we are not trading this guy for 15 cents on the dollar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No matter what his demand is, I know some people took that to mean that, you know, that there's a lot of commingah's trade value and how, you know, no one can trade anybody with the value being that low.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was more so that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: we believe his value is higher and we're not going to trade him when his value is at the lowest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No matter what his demand and what his agents demands are, we're not going to do it now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The leverage is not there for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's more what that statement meant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know people were trying to make it as a disc and everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in some ways, it was a disc.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks way worse on paper than how he said it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's more that it's more like

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[SPEAKER_00]: people so adamantly hate comming as agent and I think rightfully so if all you're looking at is what he tweets and so they want to find a bad guy who's the bookie man in this situation while it's easy to blame comming as agent and I think some people definitely rightly put some of that blame on Steve Kirk as of his unwillingness to to play JK some of it is on JK like JK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know

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[SPEAKER_00]: great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also has to be a professional.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also has to figure out how do I need to do the things that that will get me playing time because my trade value is in the tank and me talking the team out of playing me in Oklahoma City, that does not look good to other teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe he did have a little twinging his battle way, but, you know, he's he's a young guy and he said back injuries before it's just the timing of that was not great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The PR around that was not great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of this is on JK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: However, if you're looking at JK as purely a contract, I think they need to play him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not going to be consistent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to have every game like last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are going to be some games where he's inconsistent and Kerr will pull him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just been the history.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think we need to read debate this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you look on our YouTube channel, there's several videos saying why won't play JK going back several years since the beginning of this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but I do think that they need to get him in the game because he changes the speed of that team and you can see the bench get behind him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They want so badly for this dude to succeed and it just raises the energy on the team and I would love to see Steve do some more coaching with him like, you can't pull the guy aside every time there's a dead ball and tell him what to do

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[SPEAKER_00]: temperamentally, it's not great to do that to anybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are opportunities there to where, hey, if JK is not doing something wrong or not doing something right, he shouldn't have to guess whether he's doing the right thing or the wrong thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The coach is right there, Dramons are right there, Steph is right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there are opportunities to coach him on the court too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Other guys aren't holding the basketball like how often have you have you seen a a Quentin post Very premeditated post move in the ball gets stolen or he shoots it wide or like, you know You can see he's a young guy too and he's trying to do some things for his own game that don't really fit in the rhythm of the offense and he may be getting pulled In some of those cases, but you don't see him kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: being on Steve Kerr's bad side like JK has been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think they need to play him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they need to give him 15 to 20 minutes a game to see what he can do because if he shows that he is helping that team when they are in need, I think that ups his trade value, even to somebody like the kings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they don't play him and they are

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[SPEAKER_00]: basing this upcoming trade deadline on whether or not his current value is going to get the job done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know that it's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then they look like the bad guy and a team unwilling to do what it takes to get stuff the right players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's this interesting rock and hard place scenario with the warriors and I think the right thing to do is to play JK because of JK,

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[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't play well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have it out there that says, Hey, we wanted him to do well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't play well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His trade value has tanked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not only our fault, and I think so I think that would be the right thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with what you said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like I had a similar opinion to start the season that it was clear that they were going to trade them at the deadline and that they should feature him in the lineup so that he has trade value at the deadline and they yanked him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I get that, you know, maybe there was more opportunity to win and you needed to do what you could to win because you had Jimmy and Steph healthy and you know, coming, maybe it was taking away from that in Kursai so then he sat him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess there is more opportunity now

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[SPEAKER_01]: to give him some run so that he gets trade value.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, hi, yeah, I mean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just try to stay in like the curve, like try to guess how he's thinking based on what he's shown us in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if he goes, you know, I think what's most likely is what you said, curl stars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Guess who's not a curl star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't shake, shake is, you know, just never has never ever been a curl star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: if he does go that route.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what was the he basically almost kind of kind of felt like a give up lineup on with the lineup that brought them back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there was no ghee, no pods, no stuff, no dream on it was like coming good like melting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I just feel like I can't, I'm waiting for what the coach does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, we will definitely have more conversation about what they could possibly do in the trade market as we get closer to trade deadline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure we'll see more rumors of deals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, I just think they are so desperate that it's going to make it hard for them to get a deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is something that they're going to be interested in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have this thing of how, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would imagine one way to talk Steve into coming back is to say, Hey, we're going to trade for a player that's going to help us next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get J K out of your hair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jimmy's going to be back in, you know, in December of

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[SPEAKER_00]: which may not be terrible for the wear and tear on his body, and we're going to make one last run at its, you know, give us one more year, and then, you know, we'll do the whole, Steve's retiring thing, and we're going to go after it one more year, but how can they get a player who is going to help them?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know Marcus was on the on your train on the Jaren Jackson train,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and how do you do it without using Jimmy's contract so that would be another hard thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you could you could do it with just coming gun buddy like I did the math earlier in the season and because what Marcus was saying is I think he's only making like 38 right now, but next year he starts to make 50 something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think mathematically you pull it off with Jimmy and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, not Jimmy with coming gun buddy, but next year when he hits into the 50s and then you have stuff at 50, Jimmy at 50, Jared at 50, then surely you're above that second apron, like with all the other contracts, then so I think Marcus was saying you trade Jimmy for Jared, so that you have 50 off the books when Jared hits 50 next season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, what my plan was was essentially like, you know, this is just a total one season rental and then it becomes a nightmare in next season, but just figured out for this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Mark is saying is almost like, Jaren's kind of your next guy, um, I don't know if it feels like what could have been a pretty, um, like pretty player movement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Deadline kind of feels like it's it's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Calm down a little bit with tray going and then it was like oh shoot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So tray values insanely low that might set the standard for what the market's going to look like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jaw looks like he's going to get traded for pennies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now it looks like Memphis isn't going to trade jaw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael Porter Jr. tray Murphy Zion even Janice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jaren like I felt like this could have been a pretty popular deadline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it feels like, um, I know this stuff changes day by day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What if it kind of feels like it's it's going to be pretty muted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move over and talk a little women's basketball here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, this would be a little shorter pod holla segment here, because it's gonna be focused around unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've been taking some notes, been watching my missed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've liked a lot of what I have seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a very easy watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like, I don't know if this is a good thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like I'm interested in who wins I mentioned who does well, but I'm still not tied to who

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like to the late game stuff and oh, does this win mean anything because we're so early in the season We haven't established the teams and what the players get from winning and all of this stuff because it's such a new league But I will say it is it is a very easy watch and something that I don't necessarily get spoiled on So you know if I'm watching the missed like the other night they played the breeze and I'm watching that game and I'm like I kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: feel like the breeze won this game because I saw something about page, but I don't know for sure, and I don't even know what the end of the score was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I watched it later and I said, actually still haven't finished the game, but it like there was no like, oh my gosh, I missed, I already saw the score.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't watch the game kind of feeling like you like when you watch MBA stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to go with the things that I like here and you can you can give

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[SPEAKER_00]: because with less players on the court, you can focus on the singular players on the court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when you watch,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The game, you can just watch Brianna, the entire game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can watch Stewie and just see what she's doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: See what angles she's trying to use.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can just see the matchup she's trying to get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How are they running this pick and roll to get her on a smaller player?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you are a fan of Brianna Stewart, you can literally just watch her the entire game and just go, man, she's so fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: similarly with with page page was on fire just pulling up everything three pointers Midrange getting to the cup like everything you had the the full page sweet in this game against the mist and I was just like I think she might

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[SPEAKER_00]: actually gets a MVP votes next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's how good she already is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this 33 game, what it allows is the open court, the open court, the open flow, you're essentially running a weave up and down the court, all game long, and it allows for the movement, but it also allows you to really see who the players are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On a five on five game, you can see it decently well as well, but you can even see it better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you are a fan of the player or a specific player or a star player, I think it's very easy to see these players on court in in three out three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, seven minute quarters is kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're not sitting there for two and a half hours like that Warriors Raptors game was last night, there's not a hundred challenges.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The the action is free flowing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty physical.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't call that many fouls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, but seven minutes is perfect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I kind of thought when they first started, I was like seven is seems short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like not even like it's like a junior high, not even junior high school game

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you have a close game, the elimending works really well because they go commercial free in that last period and that last period is like meaningful basketball like I'm like, okay, like this is this is where it's at the missed played I forget who they played two games ago, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they were up a lot and the game, the other team kept chipping back in, they got close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then by the time the elementing happened, they were only up for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they kind of, you know, they won the final period very well to extend that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I like the elementing in these games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's a blowout, the elimending, it doesn't matter, it's just like a normal fourth quarter, but you don't have the, in some, some fourth quarters in the NBA, if there's like, like last night, if there's a 20 point lead, you kind of put in scrubs and, and you can lose a lead in, in this, really doing that because you have a small roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the elimending kind of works against you in blowouts, but in close games, I do really enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad you've been watching more than I have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been straight on the College Women's Basketball, train for pretty heavily for the past couple of weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to blow out some college basketball these days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's kind of ugly or hoops, more blowouts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, yeah, it's that I think I saw that the no-off season put out a podcast of like something about is like the unrivaled hype dying down in your two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so the what they are basing that information on and we don't have to get to sports business or sports media in here is so TNT and TBS they they they lost the internal the turner networks they lost the NBA

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, one of the bonuses for

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[SPEAKER_00]: the leagues like unrivaled, the NHL, AEW wrestling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the bonuses for being on that network is it was the NBA network.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you could always get commercial time during the NBA to promote your league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like imagine you're watching the warriors and the lakers and then you see an unrivaled commercial.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like now,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're watching the Warriors on the Lakers, maybe you're watching it on ESPN, maybe you're watching it on Peacock, you're not getting that unrivaled commercial time in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what's happening is they're rating their TV ratings are down, but the the story

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, it was a partial story because what is actually happening is this is the one thing they didn't mention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The way that ratings are being tracked today have changed and the bigger sports are benefiting and the smaller sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: are not benefiting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a ratings measurement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what we don't know about unrivaled is if you were to compare the way that they did the ratings last year with the way that they do the ratings this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to guess those numbers are going to be slightly closer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other part is that a lot of people watch this on HBO Max and HBO Max does not give viewership information.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't really know that part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to guess that it is a little bit down from last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think it is like, oh my gosh, unrivaled is dead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that that's the problem here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just you need to give fans a reason to care about this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is the WMBA is in a labor dispute, so a lot of the conversation about women's basketball problem is basketball is kind of negative right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's also some of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think as people are just like, oh, what are they going to do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, always what happens in these labor agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to see it in baseball next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: people are going to hate baseball for taking time away and having these can't you guys are adults can't you figure it out you guys are rich it so is all these conversations about the WMBA right now is negative so I think that affects it a little bit as well but I think it's actually a benefit because I'm like okay well what if the WMBA misses games at least I get to watch some women's basketball here in unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think on rival does a really good job at like marketing to my generation, but I almost feel like my generation was kind of like the Like kind of on the decline of long form.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, content consumption, you tell me do you see unrivaled content on TikTok?

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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot at the players are really good at marketing the leagues really good at marketing because you have these young players who are making tiktoks and involving the veterans and the veterans make tiktoks too like it's all you know very good and I just wonder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the marketing is good about I just wonder how many people from my age range are actually like tuning in because of it, but is in and I think it's just, you know, purely because like You watched the YouTube of the game the tick talk of the game and not actually tune into the live

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, no, I mean, they got to be able to monetize that or they got to be able to use it for marketing in some way and I'm not sure anybody has really figured out a way to do that because the product on TikTok.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It creates awareness, but it is not what you're getting paid for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not, you're getting paid to draw eyeballs to TNT and HBO Max and not necessarily TikTok.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So how do you transition those viewers to create the awareness to go watch on long form?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe like you said, maybe they just won't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then you have to figure out how to monetize the short form content.

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[SPEAKER_00]: other sports.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It which is like like at the end of every quarter, let's say, let's say the Golden State Warriors, their social team takes all of the best highlights and bottles it down to 90 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, they put it out like literally after the quarter is over and they go, here's what you missed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you have it and you go, game is on whatever channel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that 90 seconds is enough to where the person's like, I don't need to watch rest of the game, but maybe you may get a hook to bring people to go, oh yeah, forgot the game is on, oh man, it's close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know you just walked out of the fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say it's one of the new streaming platforms for the NBA, whether it be Prime or Amazon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's either Amazon or Peacock that does any sportsmart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The plays you missed, you know, here's what's catch you up to live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here are the key plays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I have a couple of things that I think that they could improve on, and the biggest thing I think that's out there is they need to market the matchups not the teams because nobody cares about the team names and no one is a vinyl fan no one is a a phantoms fan

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they are a fan of page, and they are a fan of Kelsey Plum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if they're playing each other, that should be the marketing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come watch page and Kelsey Plum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because in a five on five game, there's going to be less actual one-on-one play between these two women, then there will be in a three on three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're going to have to guard each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They can't not guard each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can hide somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the WMBA, maybe you run a zone or maybe you have that player on the secondary guard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But here you get to see page and Kelsey Plum, I think they need to market for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When do you get to see page and Kelsey Plum just go at it on a small court like they're doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: you could have one four point shot per game, but it had to be in the fourth quarter and you had to be losing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, because the court is small, so the second you cross over the half court line, you're on the logo, and then only a few feet after the logo is where the actual three point line is at the top of the key.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and so I just wondered like if you could hit one per game and it would have to be in the fourth period and you have to be losing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if that would be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say in some cases it might just be silly at the end like half court shots, but I thought that would be something worth thinking about because it's a deep shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you would, you strategically could put in your sharpest shooter, your sharpest long distance shooter, your, your Kate Martin actually maybe has more value in the fourth quarter than she would in, you know, in the rest of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was an idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think just better video packages explaining who these women are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was thinking of the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... the two women that the that the partners all the studbugs yet a studbugs you know they went live and and they were just like you know that that was like part of the thing like there is a way to do that with uh... not exactly that because i think that's you know it's more fun but if you want to introduce the back stories of some of these women where did they come from how did they get in the league like i would love to know more about

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[SPEAKER_00]: People back like their shots were going up and she was like damn near grabbing them out of mid air like I would love to learn I would love to see a three-minute segment at halftime On Dominique Melanga and where she came from how she learned how to hoop what what got her into hoop like Just so you learn more about the players and again that goes back to my page versus Kelsey Plum I don't really care about these teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just all created out of thin air out of thin air Show me who these women are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think they could do that

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the last one, I think this isn't necessary, got to get Caitlyn to play, got to get Asia to play, there's no reason to say angel, there's no reason to bring us shouldn't be playing because all of these women have brands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Asia should be like, oh yeah, here's my unrivaled version of the A1 for Sabrina here's my unrivaled version of my shoe and this is going to this is going to be the shoe that I wear during my unrivaled season and here's different variations of it like you just need to pay them more for one, but you also need

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[SPEAKER_00]: to give them the some sort of platform to continue to market their brands and Caitlin's the big one right like everyone's dying to see Caitlin play because she missed most of her second season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now maybe she wants that to be on the WMBA court rather than the unrivaled court.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you need to get those women on there because this is like the member we used to play NBA street on on the PlayStation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like okay who's

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then create a league with everybody's three best players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of what unrivaled is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think you just need to have the best or the most marketable players or the biggest stars or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Asia Wilson not playing is kind of the Demerate to the league, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, yeah, I got better things to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are my ideas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I worry about it with that league is the injuries because they're playing just as hard as they are in the WMBA and it's, you know, way more fast pace up and down, quick cuts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do worry about the long-term health of these players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what if the Valkyries lose a player for the year in unrivaled, you know, knock on wood?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, New York did with, but Nigel Laney Hamilton last year, it just feels like I just, I turn on the game like for two minutes, I think last week and I just saw like five players hit the deck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just like, oh man, but yeah, super entertaining league and the one thing I cause I know we're about to end, I agree with everything you're saying, but I was just going to turn this a focus for 20 seconds to women's college hoops because I feel like I sent you a like a draft comp, like I think someone did like a mock draft and then like an even like a WMBA comparison and an MBA comparison and I want to say someone got will richer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it Gabriella Hockes that got will richer?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even remember now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot who got Will Richard, but she played.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I watched her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched UCLA vs Maryland.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, it would be sick if the Velcro is got Gabriella Hoccaz, because she's doing all the cutting stuff, Will's doing, she could hit three like Will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that, you know, if one of the big five in I will fam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, you are out to celebrate your your partner's birthday happy birthday Danielle and we'll be back maybe hopefully next week we'll see we'll see what happens with the JK stuff and you know the warriors we didn't even talk about they went six and two on their home stand with they didn't really be any good teams but they got they they won the games they needed to win and so we'll see what happens all right that is it from here for brai i am double g we will see you when we see you piece out