Golden State Hoop Debut: Steph Curry's 41 Beats Magic in OT + Are the Warriors for Real?

0:10 [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the very first Golden State hoop podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think I need to do a little bit of history lesson here. [SPEAKER_00]: So, Corrado and I, as well as Brian, we host Pothalla. [SPEAKER_00]: We talked about the Golden State Valcrease. [SPEAKER_00]: On this YouTube channel, different audio feed. [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to listen to all of the trials and tribulations and the celebrations of the WMBA finals, check us out on Pothalla that that podcast feed. [SPEAKER_00]: But Brian and I started doing a warrior's podcast during the playoff run of their last championship. [SPEAKER_00]: We called it the death lineup, and we did it, and it was kind of the precursor to what we do on Pothala.

0:57 [SPEAKER_00]: Now, the Valkyries, [SPEAKER_00]: season because it was so fantastic, kind of took priority over warrior stuff and because of the funkiness with the fever season and the the WMBA season kind of going a little bit later, I was like, oh man, what are we going to do for this warrior's pod? [SPEAKER_00]: So, [SPEAKER_00]: what I did was I was reaching out to some people in carados like I'll do it and I'm like if you want to do it like let's do it because you know as folks know who listen to Pat Hollick and Rado has tons of knowledge about Bay Area sports he's like me's grown up on every sports team. [SPEAKER_00]: And also, Konrado, if you understand the pipeline of Konrado, you know that he's got some friends and writers and folks who know a lot about Bay Area sports as well.

1:47 [SPEAKER_00]: So that's why we're doing it now. [SPEAKER_00]: The name, we're not calling it the deathline. [SPEAKER_00]: The deathline it feels like a generation ago of warriors fandom. [SPEAKER_00]: And we wanted to start new. [SPEAKER_00]: And the reason why it's called Golden State hoop. [SPEAKER_00]: is because, I don't even know if Konrad or knows this, but originally, when Brian and I were trying to figure out how to juggle Valkyries and warrior stuff, one of my initial ideas was to put the two podcasts together. [SPEAKER_00]: Half of the podcast is warriors, half of the podcast is Valkyries, and the overall encompassing show would be called Golden State.

2:28 [SPEAKER_00]: Who? [SPEAKER_00]: And so we tried to do it that way. [SPEAKER_00]: It was a little harder than I realized, but I kept the branding because I actually got a really cool logo guy to do logos for Pad Halla and for the idea of like this big branded Golden State Valkyries Warriors podcast. [SPEAKER_00]: And so this is Golden State hoop. [SPEAKER_00]: This is the branding from Golden State hoop. [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna keep the Warriors podcast under Golden State hoop. [SPEAKER_00]: I think, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the one thing in the Valkyrie's podcast, we don't use Golden State a ton in the Valkyrie's podcast because Pad Holla and Valkyrie's is kind of the leaning words for what people look for.

3:09 [SPEAKER_00]: But I think when people look for the warriors, they do use Golden State. [SPEAKER_00]: So we'll keep it here for now. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe change it in the future if we find, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: that it's not working out, but that's the reason. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the reason why we have a golden state hoop. [SPEAKER_00]: So that's the name of the new show. [SPEAKER_00]: Konrado is joining me. [SPEAKER_00]: Brian will be on with us sometimes we'll bring on other people as well. [SPEAKER_00]: But this is the first one. [SPEAKER_00]: And Konrado, welcome, but let's kick it off [SPEAKER_00]: we saw last night now this will this will come out Monday so we're talking on Sunday so last night Saturday night we saw a vintage Steph Curry performance 41 points and I know this man has like runners knee [SPEAKER_00]: but geez, this dude is on fire to start this season.

3:58 [SPEAKER_00]: I figured they were gonna have trouble without Orlando, just because Orlando was so athletic and so long and they did. [SPEAKER_00]: Orlando kinda came out of the gate in the second half on fire, but the warriors held on. [SPEAKER_00]: They sustained, Steph Curry was making all the big shots and all of it. [SPEAKER_00]: This was like a vintage warrior's performance from the olden days with just with a new cast. [SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of the last night's game? [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this first 10 games of the season has been fascinating because, and again, I know we're transitioning now to the Warriors, but we just saw how the Golden State Valqueries were able to be consistent throughout the season, and that was, again, maximizing their death and making it concerted effort at pacing.

4:44 [SPEAKER_01]: their main players or their top rotation players, their star players, and the reason why I say that is because this season Steve Kerr, Rick Sullivan, the training staff, the coaching staff, they've been very intentional and saying that they are going to make a very concerted effort at pacing, staff, and to a certain extent and dream on. [SPEAKER_01]: So staff has basically kind of been on a [SPEAKER_01]: So you say vintage stuff and I absolutely understand what you're saying, but in a weird way, we're seeing a version of stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think we've ever seen, you know, he's averaging about 31 points in under 30 minutes per game.

5:28 [SPEAKER_01]: He's doing it at what? [SPEAKER_01]: Which shooting splits of 5045 and 98? [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, this is absolutely incredible, you know, you're having the best version [SPEAKER_01]: of stuff, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Like you're maximizing the extent of his like, you know, everything shooting and playmaking prowess is gravity, while not running him into the ground, you know, and obviously we'll get into it, but in order to be able to do that, you need to have death. [SPEAKER_01]: And while I know stuff absolutely deserves to get a lot of the headlines, I think a lot of dub nation understand [SPEAKER_01]: Exciting developments of this young season is that the warrior's bench has not just been productive.

6:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they've actually been not only crucial, but assertive. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, they themselves are [SPEAKER_01]: beginning to open up gaps, they're winning the non-step minutes. [SPEAKER_01]: So we're in eighth of the way through the regular season. [SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, it's kind of weird, despite that O and three start, they've now won seven straight, they're fourth in the west, you know, and [SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, you know, they're going to hit the road. [SPEAKER_01]: They're going to play some challenging opponents. [SPEAKER_01]: But you have every reason to be, you know, excited and optimistic about their outlook. [SPEAKER_01]: They continue to only give the fans reasons to believe and especially after last night.

7:05 [SPEAKER_01]: As Steph was saying, like, um, I believe it was Dalton Johns and reported that after the game in the locker room, Steph had addressed the team and said he wants everyone to know like he believes in them, you know, like he absolutely trust him. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's a very powerful thing because it's not just again having your leader believe in you, but I think the entire team is starting to believe that they're not just a run of the mill team that there is [SPEAKER_00]: I think the reason why he felt that he needed to do that is because they started. [SPEAKER_00]: So the game goes in overtime. [SPEAKER_00]: and the entire fourth quarter was like back and forth as I call the warriors finally get the advantage and then offensive rebound or lino magic it's a two and it's tied again and so they go no overtime.

7:55 [SPEAKER_00]: Steffin dream on don't start the overtime period. [SPEAKER_00]: They are on the bench for the first minute and 20 seconds or whatever of that period and so I think Steff [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I didn't see this on the broadcast, but I think he and Dramon were probably very surprised that they weren't starting the overtime period, so there was probably some dismay or maybe even some chit chat with Steve Kerr about why. [SPEAKER_00]: And so after the game, I think he wanted to tell the team like, look, [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't mad because I didn't believe we could win without, you know, without me and Dramon. [SPEAKER_00]: I was just, I'm just a competitor. [SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to be there. [SPEAKER_00]: But like you just mentioned, he wanted them to know, I believe in this team as a team.

8:42 [SPEAKER_00]: And I, it wasn't a disbelief in, in your ability to win the first couple minutes of that, that overtime. [SPEAKER_00]: You, you made some, mentioned about the minutes thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And you have to go back a little bit to the beginning of the Warriors dynasty to remember that the 2015 and the 2016, and then 2017 warriors, they were blowing out a lot of teams. [SPEAKER_00]: So what would happen is there would be a wonder for fans if Staff would play the fourth quarter. [SPEAKER_00]: So his minutes in those seasons were right in that like 32, 33 minutes a game range.

9:29 [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't bump up to 35 until they needed him more, like in that 2020 championship. [SPEAKER_00]: But now he's under 30, which is even less than those years where he was, you know, every other game he's taken out for fourth quarter. [SPEAKER_00]: And I just heard a podcast [SPEAKER_00]: with Bill Simmons in a Kirk Goldsbury. [SPEAKER_00]: And they were talking about the length of the season, the athleticism and how [SPEAKER_00]: The older players are actually less important to the overall game.

10:13 [SPEAKER_00]: Some of this is because of the salary cap and how it works. [SPEAKER_00]: But basically what they were saying is that for the first time in the history of the NBA, [SPEAKER_00]: Because of the tread on the players like your 30 year olds are kind of like the new 35 like it's not it's not going backwards is going up because these guys are playing so many so many hard minutes the game is so fast [SPEAKER_00]: and you have to keep up with these young guys and there's basically saying like, you know, once these players are over 30, and Yannis was a good example though, Yannis is still great. [SPEAKER_00]: Yokech was another good example. [SPEAKER_00]: Yokech is still great, but they're saying that, you know, you see like Katie and Steph and the brawn and those guys are able to extend their careers.

11:00 [SPEAKER_00]: and these other great players who are hitting their early 30s, they may not be able to do it for as long and as good as those guys were because of the changes in the league and because of how fast the the paces. [SPEAKER_00]: And so as I was listening to Bill and Kirk talking, I was thinking about stuff, I was like, well, how does he do it? [SPEAKER_00]: And what you're saying in that they're they're being really strict with what their plan is so that it's not an 82 game plan. [SPEAKER_00]: It's more of like a 65 game plan. [SPEAKER_00]: But how can we get staff to be healthy for this 65? [SPEAKER_00]: It is a new thing. [SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of wonder. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think they're ahead of the curve in this mentality, or do you think like, this is just an extension of, you know, what Kauai was doing for all of these years where he's, you know, they're kind of gradually getting him into the mix and he's missing games and people are making fun of him and, you know, because he's missing games, like, what do you think this is with staff right now?

12:01 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's funny that you mentioned Koli because this situation that you're describing does remind me of a team that Koli was on, but not the Koli, the recent Koli teams. [SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking more of the 2013-2014 San Antonio Spurs, and I think... [SPEAKER_01]: That has, that team has been the ideal template that Steve Kerr, Rick Sullivan, have been trying to emulate these last several seasons. [SPEAKER_01]: And for fans, if you recall, the 2013-2014 spurs, they went on to win the championship that year. [SPEAKER_01]: and they did it with, they didn't have a single player on their team averaging 30 minutes per game.

12:42 [SPEAKER_01]: So everyone averaged less than 30 minutes per game. [SPEAKER_01]: That's including their stars, Tony Parker, Tim Duncan, Montage Nobley, go down the list. [SPEAKER_01]: I think ideally that's what they've tried to do with stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think what the Warriors have been unable to do is what you're saying, too. [SPEAKER_01]: Now you account for what 12 years later, where the average pace of play is significantly faster, [SPEAKER_01]: This is what Kerr was saying. [SPEAKER_01]: They need more youth, they need more athleticism, they need more health. [SPEAKER_01]: And I know kind of looking this past season, you look at some of the additions, like George's Nyang is an older veteran. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously they brought back Al Horford, who's, I believe, the second older player in the league.

13:29 [SPEAKER_00]: you know, so much so that I remember when his dad was drafted, that's how old, uh, that that may actually is more about my age than hours age, but uh, I was a little kid when Tito was drafted in the NBA. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you know, you go down the list, but then I think a lot of those kind of under the radar signings, whether that be Brandon Williams, or actually really just [SPEAKER_01]: a full healthy year or off season for Will Richard to develop, obviously drafting Yaxal Lendaborg. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think they now have the necessary young death to again, allow Steph, Dramon to a lesser extent, Alhorford.

14:14 [SPEAKER_01]: to not only manage their minutes, but again, take some of those days off because right now, at least for the foreseeable future, they're not playing any back-to-backs, right? [SPEAKER_01]: They're being selective of which game on the back-to-back they're playing. [SPEAKER_01]: But [SPEAKER_01]: Whether that is by design, luck, a combination of both, it's absolutely working because what you are saying, or like, to rant, the brawn, all of them, yes, they've found ways to extend their career and still to perform at a high level. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think the ideal outcome of having these older superstar veterans is [SPEAKER_01]: to produce a result like what we saw last night, where you could at least position a superstar like Steph, he may not be able to play that level all 48 minutes.

15:07 [SPEAKER_01]: but if you could have him like somewhat fresh to be able to close out games, you know, as you said, he's going to be able to do something that pretty much few, if not any other players can accomplish, you know, in that amount of time. [SPEAKER_01]: And so I think moving forward, [SPEAKER_01]: that has to be the goal or kind of like the game plan because, yeah, at the end of the day, sometimes it's a simple, I was listening to Jamal Keynes post game interview. [SPEAKER_01]: He's a wing for the [SPEAKER_01]: And he played great, but you know he said at the end of the day, I mean the Warriors had stuff and they didn't and that's pretty much the biggest difference.

15:51 [SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, I mean I think everyone knows that without stuff this team isn't really going anywhere and I think that's fair and that just goes to show you know how impactful and how unique stuff is but [SPEAKER_01]: I think there is a way that they can do this, as you said, right, 65 games, 30 ish minutes, a night, you know, maybe less, and they could do it, and if they could do it, you know, they have every reason to believe that they can be a factor in the post [SPEAKER_00]: They look every bit of their age.

16:39 [SPEAKER_00]: Axel, by the way, you know, he did when you're even in those some of those losses, you're like, oh, like, wow, he's much more up to speed than I realized. [SPEAKER_00]: But they start on three and I thought, and now this, this was like, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: my immediate reaction without too much thinking was I thought like oh man this might be the worst season for the warriors with a healthy staff since like the early days of of his career and then they rip off like some of these wins in my favorite one by the way it was beaten [SPEAKER_00]: But this dude is like above and beyond the call of duty when it comes to trash talking and the fans like to just light up the fans now he's always been the type of player who you know he may give up a defensive possession or two to go talk to a ref [SPEAKER_00]: but he was killing the warriors in this first and second quarter.

17:49 [SPEAKER_00]: And as I'm watching the game, I'm like, okay, yeah, because of what Yaxel said about, you know, he was just so disappointed in you as a human. [SPEAKER_00]: And then I'm like, but you're doing this in Steph's house. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you cannot make this about you without Steph. [SPEAKER_00]: seeing that. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm watching as they get back in this game, I'm like, yep, that's exactly what happened. [SPEAKER_00]: Steph is not going to be vocal about it. [SPEAKER_00]: He's not going to be demonstrative about it necessarily, but he's like, I'm not letting Luca show me up. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he puts Luca on the floor. [SPEAKER_00]: And that was bad. [SPEAKER_00]: I feel like that carried NBA Twitter for like three days.

18:30 [SPEAKER_00]: Steph put in Luca on the floor. [SPEAKER_00]: And Steph just comes back and just kills these guy. [SPEAKER_00]: And then they beat the Lakers by 20 points or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that was my favorite game because I'm like, okay, that dude is still there. [SPEAKER_00]: like again, Steph is not going to get up and Lucas face and trash talk him. [SPEAKER_00]: He's got other guys to do that for him, but he took that so personally and it lit a fire and I'm like, okay, that is still that dude that I've been watching for the last 15 years. [SPEAKER_00]: So that was my favorite performance. [SPEAKER_00]: And then it's like, that has just continued to ignite them. [SPEAKER_00]: And now they've [SPEAKER_00]: They have one game Monday, which Monday's probably when most people listen to this, um, against the pelicans to try and sweep the homestand, which would also be incredible before they go back on the road.

19:21 [SPEAKER_00]: What was it like, what were you thinking after the Owen 3 start? [SPEAKER_01]: You know me, I'm a glass have full kind of guy, so I, I was, I was telling you know our friends who are warrior fans, dubbed nation as it, hey, right, even in that Owen three start. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I kind of shifted the focus to Yaxel. [SPEAKER_01]: I was like, this young man has shown us so much good stuff. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you could see he has such a bright future ahead of him. [SPEAKER_01]: Right? [SPEAKER_01]: Really, on and off the court for being honest. [SPEAKER_01]: But as it pertains to on the court, I was like, okay, he is really giving you reason to believe in the quote, quote, second timeline, which basically like, we're on second timeline version 3.0 at this point.

20:11 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I said, like, if the wins don't come, like he's showing enough, or it's like, okay, you know, if like what a lot of like, you know, analysts and fans and, you know, whatever, writers were thinking that like the warriors were essentially taking like a gap year this year, then if you were to accept that, then you can be optimistic about [SPEAKER_01]: Steph seems to be recovering from that runners knee or at least he's playing in a way where he can manage it. [SPEAKER_01]: Yaxle seems like a guy who can be maybe not a franchise player, but like part of a foundational piece for whatever the next great warrior's team is.

20:58 [SPEAKER_01]: looks like you found some other good players in like Brandon Williams and you know like will Richard pods is you can see like he's taking his game to another level so i was just kind of preaching like hey right like if you look at it from like a individual and even a collective development standpoint [SPEAKER_01]: then it's just cool, like this isn't a completely a waste of a season. [SPEAKER_01]: But everything I said, it still stands true. [SPEAKER_01]: It's just now they're really putting it together, where it's actually culminating in wins. [SPEAKER_01]: I think at that O and 3 start, the most disappointing thing was their defense. [SPEAKER_01]: really is that they were just not getting any stops but whether again that's maybe just a lack of chemistry since they have so many new players on the team or you know a lack of just consistent like finding the right rotations or lineups I should say then perhaps that was it you know is kind of like a feeling out exploratory period for them on that end but ever since then [SPEAKER_01]: They've been fantastic.

22:03 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, something flipped for them. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously, you know, there was a report that they had like not like a team meeting, but they kind of talked it out after, um, I think after blowing that game to Memphis. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was a tough one. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, and, um, watching Ty Jerome celebrate so hard was a little tough, too. [SPEAKER_00]: That dude was cooking. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know man, former warrior title of the quintessential revenge game. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, now that we see what they're capable of on defense, man, like the ceiling for this team is way higher than I think, even someone like me who's optimist, right, would have envisioned.

22:52 [SPEAKER_01]: So, [SPEAKER_01]: it's crazy because not only are they believing, but you see like the narratives amongst fans, the national narrative, you know, they're now in this conversations about like, kind of, you know, like maybe not like tier one contenders, but maybe kind of knocking on that tier two. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, top six is kind of where people are wondering, okay, let's talk about some of these young players. [SPEAKER_00]: You talked about your axle. [SPEAKER_00]: I think the thing that he does is, I mean, he does a lot of things, but at least offensively, they haven't had a guy who has just been able to take the ball and get to the cup and then get to the foul line other than Jimmy Butler who hasn't been here for that long and is also on the shelf.

23:44 [SPEAKER_00]: But like that bigger guy who you just when stuff is out, they kind of run the offense through Yaxle and it's been very impressive now. [SPEAKER_00]: Some of his shots are a little wild and some of his drives are a little reckless, but he's getting to the free throw line, which is very important. [SPEAKER_00]: And he just seems [SPEAKER_00]: You know, sometimes the handles a little loose, sometimes he likes to bring the ball down a little bit and it could get stripped, but his offensive game is very mature for this version today's version of the NBA and it's been so impressive and you know he did he made the headlines with his spat with with Luca that's going to happen because he we know his personality he speaks his mind, but [SPEAKER_00]: I, I remember you and I had talked about this before, who should the Warriors draft in this spot?

24:35 [SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you know, they haven't had a center forever in, you know, Audie Mara is like sitting there and no, Yaxel was the right pick. [SPEAKER_00]: Like he's absolutely perfect for Steph Curry as a secondary score as the, the second in command or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: And then if and when Butler comes back, [SPEAKER_00]: You know, they'll figure out the right way for those guys to fit together, because their games are kind of similar a little bit, but I wish I'm so impressed with him, because what we heard about Yaxel coming into the draft and you've watched him, you watch College Basketball.

25:17 [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, was, you know, personality wise, would he be able to fit in with this veteran team and does he, yeah, too much, whatever it is, I've seen like the opposite, like this dude is like very thoughtful and he's like very, even though he's open, he's outspoken and open minded, he's very thoughtful and what he says. [SPEAKER_00]: And so when he did say that thing about Luca, I was like, [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think he's probably saying with a lot of people think about Luca, but they're just don't want to say it and he was like, I'm just going to say it. [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't know, man, I think he's just been such a perfect fit. [SPEAKER_00]: Did what you saw in the one year at Michigan, did you think it was going to translate like it has?

26:00 [SPEAKER_01]: I wasn't sure if it would translate as quickly and like again, to what extent would it translate? [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of again, when you're six, nine, two, 40, two, 45, whatever he's listed that, and you know the guy, he's built. [SPEAKER_01]: I have no doubt that he would be a great play finisher. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, obviously, they drafted him with the, the hope that he could provide some playmaking. [SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, at Michigan, playing next to Morris Johnson and Ademara, he was essentially, [SPEAKER_01]: the small forward, and that Michigan, that championship, Michigan team.

26:44 [SPEAKER_01]: He is the small forward for the Warriors, at least for the time being. [SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, I think it'll ultimately be more of like a power forward. [SPEAKER_01]: You could market some antics, but I think at least defensively, you see how much more comfortable he is defending for and wings, but whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: But offensively, that's okay. [SPEAKER_01]: He's got a good handle, definitely a good passer, you know, makes good reads, I said that the very least he'll be a nice connective piece, a nice connective passer, whoa, no. [SPEAKER_01]: As you said, he's not just, he is, he has absolutely, through 10 games, establish himself as the team's number two scoring option, but more so, [SPEAKER_01]: their number two, like their secondary shock creator, playmaker, I've been monitoring this every game to see like if there's going to be a dip, you know, or if this is just like, you know, a hot start, but through his first 10 games and he's played all 10 games, he 30 approximately 31% of his offensive touches have basically resulted in self-created [SPEAKER_01]: that's on a team that is like very motion-based, that's crazy.

27:57 [SPEAKER_01]: This goes to emphasize your point that yes, he is the go-to guy in the non-steff minutes, and they are winning the non-steff minutes. [SPEAKER_01]: They're not even just like holding their own. [SPEAKER_01]: And of that 31%, 21%, I don't know, 23% of his offensive touches, he is the pick and roll initiator. [SPEAKER_01]: you know, and then in isolation, this is where he'll probably cool off over a while, but then like you look at it, you know, I mean, just under 10% of his offensive touches, like curlets and ice, let's just go ISO, he has a 69 true shooting percentage. [SPEAKER_01]: Like again, they're will be, but you see like you said, right?

28:39 [SPEAKER_01]: Like he doesn't have a quick first step. [SPEAKER_01]: He himself even said the other day on his livestream. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, he's kind of analyzing his own 2K ratings. [SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, he wasn't even being self critical. [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, they gave him, I can't remember what his rating was, but he disagreed, he thought his dunks rating was too high. [SPEAKER_01]: He says I could dunk, but I'm not like a dunker. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like he doesn't have a particularly, [SPEAKER_01]: fast, or like, you know, a special first step. [SPEAKER_01]: He is athletic, obviously. [SPEAKER_01]: He's not like Uber athletic. [SPEAKER_01]: He acknowledges there are other, like, you know, extra-trusual athletes, you know, compared to him. [SPEAKER_01]: But as you said, there has been like some moments. [SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't say tentativeness, but he's still trying to feel out.

29:23 [SPEAKER_01]: like the angles, the timing of his counter moves. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because he actually plays probably with more cadence than people would imagine for a guy who's so big. [SPEAKER_01]: But again, the 21.7 rebounds, forces, he is legitimately an offensive catalyst in every sense of the word. [SPEAKER_01]: The fact, too, that he's such a great rebounder that he could, you know, just clear the board [SPEAKER_01]: Um, the warriors have not had anyone like this, like you said, like, maybe there's Jimmy, but you know, Jimmy likes to slow things down. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, he's not going to get out and run as much, you know, and I don't want to, like, this is not to throw shade on any previous warriors, but I mean, like, you know, if Jordan pool was maybe, [SPEAKER_01]: a kind of go-to option in the non-steff minutes during his tenure.

30:18 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, he's a guard, he's very perimeter-based, you know, he likes little wiggle. [SPEAKER_01]: We never actually had someone who could be a focal point of a non-steff lineup, but be able to manufacture points in the paint. [SPEAKER_01]: So he, he absolutely brings a completely different dynamic to this team. [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a long-winded way of saying, yes, he's exceeded every expectation, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: And you could tell he absolutely understands what he's doing wrong. [SPEAKER_01]: And he's making those adjustments even within games. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, it's not perfect, but if you're telling me, like, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: his off-night where he has like six turnover still results in 23 and 9, like, okay.

31:01 [SPEAKER_01]: We can we could work with this. [SPEAKER_01]: We could work with it. [SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you know what's interesting about this, too, is Jonathan Kominga, I'm sure is watching this scenario going like, man, this dude has so much more freedom than I ever had. [SPEAKER_00]: But the time frame and the expectations were wildly different when Camingo was playing. [SPEAKER_00]: Like they desperately needed Caminga to step into a role in order for them to keep their title aspirations. [SPEAKER_00]: And so Caminga error or a Caminga slow the ball down, [SPEAKER_00]: and then he gets stuck with the fade away, like that was a little bit more pressure impacted on a team.

31:49 [SPEAKER_00]: Then something like Yaxel being a little loose with his handle because the expectations were different. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Steve Kerr also probably learned a little bit from that cominga experience in how to handle a younger player. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think when Steve Kerr resigns his contract, and he tells Joe Lake up in Mike Dunlavy, like, we cannot expect to be a title contender, like right now, like we have to build up to that. [SPEAKER_00]: I think there's a reality, because Steve's a competitor, like nobody's business, but there's also a reality that you can't win the title every year, like you have to have some realistic expectations, and with that comes the ability for Yaxel to develop, whereas maybe it was a little harder for Kominga in that same way.

32:49 [SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of interested what you think [SPEAKER_00]: the Kominga experience and the Yaxlo experience and how different they were. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is not to disparage Jonathan Kominga. [SPEAKER_01]: But I think yes, I mean, I definitely agree with everything you said in terms of like, the overall roster construct is way different now than when Komingo is here. [SPEAKER_01]: So that kind of shifts responsibilities, usage, and everything like that. [SPEAKER_01]: But really, I mean, to me, [SPEAKER_01]: axles freedom while we just again praised him for everything he does well on ball. [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's everything he does off ball that allows him to not only get more playing time, like longer stretches without getting pulled, but also builds more trust with the coaching staff.

33:44 [SPEAKER_01]: Because I think [SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like with Stefan, and I'm not sure how I say Yaxel's like Steph, but you know, Steph, what makes him so great on ball is because he himself knows where he would need to be off ball, you know, when to cut. [SPEAKER_01]: when or where, you know, what angle to flare, where to set like an off ball screen, Yaxle does a lot of that, you know, and again, just kind of going back to like my nerd stats and everything and following it. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, he's going to cool off. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, he's currently shooting like 57% on catching shoot threes.

34:25 [SPEAKER_01]: That will go down. [SPEAKER_01]: But the fact is, you know, you watch him last night. [SPEAKER_01]: You look at his, like his, his movement off the ball. [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, again, he's 69 to 40. [SPEAKER_01]: That's cool when you're going to the rim, and you know, trying to muscle you were in the paint. [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, like, [SPEAKER_01]: He's not exactly the most fluid guy on the ball, you know, he's not going to be moving like a gazelle, but, you know, he's so good about his timing of when to break, you know, away from like a screen or anything like that, went to pop out. [SPEAKER_01]: And so, I think a lot of what he does there, which, again, whether it manifests in a shot or not, is why I think Kerr and the coaching staff have so much confidence in him.

35:14 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, I know we're recording this on a Sunday. [SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes I think about it like when you're playing off ball and you know your your coach is asking you to again be continue to be very intentional about what you do off ball again whether that's which was said cutting setting screens right or you know drifting or popping out to the wing or the corner like you need to do all that in order to maintain spacing for the team. [SPEAKER_01]: But. [SPEAKER_01]: there's no guarantee you're going to get the ball right it's like a coach in the NFL asking a wider saver like I need you to continue running your route really aggressively but there's not extra db with you so it opens up something exactly yeah and [SPEAKER_01]: I think Yaxel, he does that with a lot more consistency.

36:06 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think Humminga did. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm 100% with you because and I never try and assume somebody's intelligence. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just strictly talking about the basketball court, but it feels like Yaxel is a more savvy [SPEAKER_00]: player when it comes to understanding where to go. [SPEAKER_00]: And maybe some of it with Camingo was a little bit of stubbornness, and maybe a little bit of fear, like, I'm not comfortable in this position, or I don't, you know, I don't feel like I need to be here or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that, you know, you heard stories of some of the reasons why he didn't fit in all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: But Yaxel just seems like he knows what to do and he knows eventually, [SPEAKER_00]: that he's if the ball doesn't find him he is going to find the ball and he's going to do the things that he needs to do and so it's really interesting to watch him play in comparison to coming because there are some moments over the years where the only time you realize coming was in the game is because he either dumped it in like some amazing athletic play [SPEAKER_00]: or he stopped the ball and all of a sudden had a grenade that was kind of forced by himself.

37:24 [SPEAKER_00]: But when they could get him in the flow, he looked fantastic. [SPEAKER_00]: And when they couldn't, that's when it seemed like he had the short nights. [SPEAKER_00]: But Yaxel, he does seem to have an understanding of what they want to do offensively. [SPEAKER_00]: And then he does get the freedom when stuff is not in the game to play a little bit more of his style of game. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's a very interesting thing and [SPEAKER_00]: interested in watching. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't actually continue to play this way because if he does, then you know, at least offensively, the warrior's ceiling is much higher like he said. [SPEAKER_00]: Another player who [SPEAKER_00]: has maybe gotten a little bit of of the disdain from the hardcore warriors fans is a Brandon Pajimski he saw that he resigned so he's here they they got him from what it kind of looks like a lot of money but it's kind of exactly what a Brandon Pajimski is going to make off in his first deal our second deal.

38:25 [SPEAKER_00]: but with the axle being the number two score, it seems to have taken a lot of pressure off of Pajimski. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I know Pajimski is a confident dude as well, but it sort of allows him to not be [SPEAKER_00]: identified by the other defense as much as he was maybe last year. [SPEAKER_00]: And so he seems to have a little bit more freedom and he's able to do more podsy stuff that he was doing earlier in his Warriors regime like last night there was a moment where late in the game, the Warriors were going to win anyways, but he gets a loose ball as he's falling out of bounds, calling time out to save the possession for the Warriors and they're going to win the game.

39:08 [SPEAKER_00]: But it's stuff like that [SPEAKER_00]: early in his warrior's career where you know I come in I love this guy's moxie like he's plays hard he takes charges and and now he's a little bit more polished with his shot and with his decision making but also I think. [SPEAKER_00]: there's less pressure on him when you have yaxle and then if and when Jimmy comes back there's even less pressure on pods and he can just kind of play the style of basketball that his that that he should be playing instead of trying to force it which I felt he was doing a lot of last year just forcing stuff because he felt like he needed to be that dude but what do you think about pods so far this year?

39:50 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, pauses easily having a career year, you know, so I mean, through 10 games, he's making that contract extension look like, like, I want, yeah, like a bargain, really, because I mean, basically, [SPEAKER_01]: The amount he signed to is just a hair over the full mid-level exception. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think Lee Guide, I think other front offices would agree, like he's absolutely worth that. [SPEAKER_01]: And right now, the level of production, both in terms of total volume and efficiency, it absolutely warrants that A.A.V., now with pods, I absolutely agree. [SPEAKER_01]: I think these last couple of seasons, [SPEAKER_01]: the way the roster was constructed, or perhaps the way it was not constructed, you know, he was kind of thrust into that secondary playmaker and shot creator role.

40:44 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying that he's not capable of it, but I think that was a lot to put on his plate so soon, so early in his NBA career. [SPEAKER_01]: But as you said, now that there are other kind of weapons on the team, other guys who can create or play make for others, it definitely does kind of alleviate some pressure off of him. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, since we do have the Orlando Magic game, just freshen our heads. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, you're talking about like some of [SPEAKER_01]: The timely defensive plays that he's always shown he's capable of making he does have a really high defensive IQ or, you know, defensive aptitude, but what really stood out to me in that game against Orlando is, you know, throughout the game.

41:37 [SPEAKER_01]: I definitely understand Yaxel's being. [SPEAKER_01]: It's like okay, you know, if he like even sneezes somehow it becomes like a foul. [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that like there's a little bit of rookie adjustment. [SPEAKER_01]: If not kind of like lack of benefit of the doubt, but I think he's held up admirably, but I like though that basically late fourth quarter and over time. [SPEAKER_01]: Pods just defended Franz Wagner straight up, you know, and he refused the switches. [SPEAKER_01]: He would fight over the screens or fight through the screens and I mean frauds didn't really get any clean looks down the stretch, you know, I know they were able to tie it, but I mean like look at how Aaron of a shot that was, you know, and I think it was, again, Jamal Kane right place right time was able to get that put back, but overall, I mean again, not trying to suggest that.

42:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, pods is some all defensive team player or, you know, that he's a lock down defender, but he is capable of defending at that high of a level, can he do it all 48 minutes, probably not you probably want him to, but. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, when you have a guy like that, I mean, and there are just less kind of fractures in the defense. [SPEAKER_01]: Again, it's just another reason why this team's ceiling full actually both floor and ceiling looks a lot higher than probably a lot of us expected, you know, during the off season or during the preseason, but [SPEAKER_01]: I think yeah, he just seems a lot more decisive though without having everything kind of telegraphed.

43:17 [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that was kind of like he wasn't really finding that balance last year, either he would kind of telegraph something so it would get picked off or whatever or like he said [SPEAKER_01]: hesitant about what he's seeing from the defense and kind of slows down and ends up picking up his dribble and we saw that like I don't know how many times we can even count that you know so yeah he just seems to like be a lot more inflow kind of trusting himself trusting his instincts the reads have been good and I'm sure maybe we'll talk a little bit about him we've already mentioned him but I think [SPEAKER_01]: Brandon Williams and a healthy dance and you melt because I think pods I wouldn't say at best.

44:13 [SPEAKER_01]: He's a combo guard. [SPEAKER_01]: I think having these last couple of years, having him make him exclusively a point guard, it's probably not the ideal role for him. [SPEAKER_01]: And I think now you're kind of seeing again because he too is pretty intuitive player off ball. [SPEAKER_01]: And once he gets the ball, he does make good reads. [SPEAKER_01]: And so, but you don't want him to have to actually [SPEAKER_01]: you know, take up the ball all the time and try to break down a defense off the dribble. [SPEAKER_01]: So again, I think his this the team around him, you're now getting the best version of him. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100%. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, let's talk about the the benchmark here.

44:55 [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned Neang who [SPEAKER_00]: almost, and I don't know if this is, I don't know if fans or other teams that he's played for have stories about him that would suggest otherwise, but he just seems to make the right decision, like almost every single time. [SPEAKER_00]: I love that he's aggressive. [SPEAKER_00]: I love that he's kind of like the bodyguard out there sometimes for for folks. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, and when he hits his threes, he's like so much more valuable on the court and he's been shooting the ball pretty well. [SPEAKER_00]: Dreyman thinks that he can even go up a level on the shot. [SPEAKER_00]: Charles Bassie has been someone who's just leapt off the screen when you're watching like I want to see more lineups.

45:43 [SPEAKER_00]: with Steph, Yaxel and Basie on the court together. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm kind of interested to see how that looks in certain scenarios. [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned Melton. [SPEAKER_00]: He looks like he's got his spring back fully. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, he's trying to dunk on people all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: And then Brandon Williams, if this man had a jump shot, he'd be one of the best point guards in the league is too quick. [SPEAKER_00]: you can get to the hole on anybody he just has some troubles finishing and he doesn't have a dependable three pointer but you know that's why he's he's a backup but yeah like those guys and we didn't even mention will Richard who uh he kind of [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how purposeful this was, but it seemed like he had a wall in his rookie season, and he almost didn't play at all in the second half, and now they have him starting and some lineups.

46:30 [SPEAKER_00]: And you know, there's still, you can still see a little bit of maybe the decision making, not always being there with him, but he looks much better than he did as far as that is concerned the last year. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, the benches, the benches [SPEAKER_00]: who is getting a little bit of run here and there. [SPEAKER_00]: He's gotten a couple starts as well. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, tell me more about what you think about their bench. [SPEAKER_01]: Goons, man. [SPEAKER_01]: The goons are back. [SPEAKER_01]: We haven't had like this many goons since like, I don't know, man. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, auto Porter had a lot of dog in him. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Bill, Bill, Lisa even had like some underrated dog, but you know, in terms of like the outright like very identifiable goons, you know, kind of like the bogits, the spades, the bearish owls.

47:19 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, [SPEAKER_01]: completely unexpected. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, I've followed George the ang since, you know, like, when he was in Iowa State, but I didn't know he had this much bark. [SPEAKER_01]: This is game. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, because I mean, it's, it's not even exaggeration. [SPEAKER_01]: How many times now have we seen dream on play piece maker to break up, like, you know, some kind of, whatever, like, you know, dust up between the ang and [SPEAKER_01]: name a player from any other team that we've recently played like they even had a montage the other night or y'all last night of like all the like the altercations that he's gotten into this season but [SPEAKER_01]: while we do say that kind of like, you know, jokingly, I do think, you know, between Nian and even E.K., you've seen him kind of like step up to like, like Zack E.D., and everything like that, um, Brandon Williams, Gisanto's, right, like you have a bunch of guys who just don't back down, you know, and I think, uh, it, it becomes contagious.

48:27 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, like I think they're in line with the whole idea of like kind of believing in themselves. [SPEAKER_01]: I think though, you know, there's like kind of like this, it unifies the team, you know, obviously it helps that they have like the skill to back up all the talk, but, you know, [SPEAKER_01]: in a weird way because I know like Dramon and his scoring has basically not been there at all through for at least first 10 games. [SPEAKER_00]: He can be the best defensive player in the league and the worst offensive player in the league on consecutive possessions. [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's crazy. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's what I mean. [SPEAKER_00]: You live with it offensively because then he makes up for the defensive end with like this really smart play and they go back the other way.

49:14 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and you did that several times even just last night against Orlando, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, okay, well, it's probably should have just taken the easy layout, but then boom, gets right back there, intercepts the, you know, the entry pass, and it's transition points for for the Warriors, but like, not only do this bench, this is the benchmark, [SPEAKER_01]: It's completely taking the attention away from Dremon. [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, you're, you're good. [SPEAKER_01]: I still need Dremon at the very least in crunch time situations. [SPEAKER_00]: My man is like the starting center, like the official starting center right now.

49:55 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but yeah, going back to what you were saying, like about Yaxel and his ability to get to the free throw line Brandon Williams, that's the the funny part of his his his game in his production that you're right. [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have a consistent at the very least he doesn't have a consistent three point shot the finishing is questionable, but my god the man gets to the line. [SPEAKER_01]: so often, so you have him, yeah, Vaxel, Steph has again kind of embraced all those nuances of how to draw contact. [SPEAKER_01]: He's getting to the line at like almost at a career high rate. [SPEAKER_01]: Ideally, you bring Jimmy back in. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, [SPEAKER_01]: while people joke about players who, you know, generate a lot of free throw attempts, it is an essential part of the game.

50:44 [SPEAKER_01]: And it definitely provides a lot more stability. [SPEAKER_01]: In terms of being able to kind of control the pace of the game. [SPEAKER_01]: So to have multiple guys who do that, that's huge. [SPEAKER_01]: But Basie, I love what I've seen to be honest, [SPEAKER_01]: This is who he is, right? [SPEAKER_01]: It's unfortunately injuries have plagued his career. [SPEAKER_01]: I think even back when he was at, I want to say Eastern Washington, Eastern Washington, somewhere there. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like he was, you know, whether it was at Philadelphia or San Antonio. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_01]: No, it was Western Kentucky. [SPEAKER_01]: I was completely off. [SPEAKER_01]: Western Kentucky is where he went to school. [SPEAKER_00]: Eastern Washington, who went to Eastern Washington?

51:26 [SPEAKER_00]: It's not like Nate Robinson or something. [SPEAKER_00]: No, Nate went to just Washington. [SPEAKER_00]: Just watching. [SPEAKER_01]: The point being though, sorry, sorry, Charles, Western Kentucky, all the alarms. [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, he is when healthy, this is who he is. [SPEAKER_01]: He's always been a guy, a great finisher, you know, at the rim. [SPEAKER_01]: Great hands, you know, uh, good touch. [SPEAKER_01]: We've seen that he's not just dunking, you know, and again, he's not like, [SPEAKER_01]: a guy who's going to have like a crazy amount of assists, but he is a good passer. [SPEAKER_01]: He does know how to make quick reads, you know, so he's rarely kind of getting himself in trouble and traffic.

52:08 [SPEAKER_01]: So I would love to see him play more. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: Now I know there are rumors about potentially acquiring another big and I absolutely understand that we'll talk about that one in a second. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, in the meantime, like I think as Kerr was alluding to just yesterday before the game that he's absolutely kind of warranted opportunities for more like extended playing time. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about pausing us. [SPEAKER_00]: They signed him in the off season with the expectation that he was going to be their starting five and they were going to play as much five out as [SPEAKER_00]: And then we learned that he was not going to be in training camp.

52:55 [SPEAKER_00]: And it looked like, okay, there's he's still getting over something and maybe he'll be back later. [SPEAKER_00]: And then very soon, they said, we don't expect him back. [SPEAKER_00]: and he's at made two public statements, one was just a Twitter post where he was telling people what was going on, which was kind of a wild Twitter post, and then the second one was just recently, he effectively announced that he's not playing this season, now he did not use the word retirement, so he left that open. [SPEAKER_00]: But the warriors are not paying him because he is not coming to, um, he's not coming to do anything as far as whatever needs to be done to show that he's a part of the team.

53:41 [SPEAKER_00]: And so far, he and the player's association are not fighting that the warriors are not paying him. [SPEAKER_00]: So this leaves some thought, [SPEAKER_00]: that they'll be able to move his contracts to another team who's just looking to clear out cap space and that the warriors could bring on another player. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't know how much of the intricacies you know you understand about the contract situation and how that works, but [SPEAKER_00]: like what could be the expected type of player they could bring in if you were to take poison is his contract and maybe another contract i don't know if a draft pick would be involved but what kind of player do you think they could even be in the market for i mean in theory they could bring in like a pretty substantial player i mean they really wanted to they could bring in like a max player uh... i mean that might be a little bit [SPEAKER_01]: a bit of a tall order.

54:43 [SPEAKER_01]: But basically, yes, everything you said is accurate. [SPEAKER_01]: Because he's not reporting, I guess the nature of the way the contract is written is that, you know, again, he's failing to, you know, fulfill services. [SPEAKER_01]: Services just basically, meaning at this point, being a member of the team. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So they have every right, like they being the warriors, [SPEAKER_01]: If he elects to, again, as he said, walk away from basketball, at least, you know, while the warriors themselves don't have to pay him anything, [SPEAKER_01]: his contracts still counts towards the salary cap.

55:26 [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a $20 million cap hit. [SPEAKER_01]: Why does that become valuable for the Warriors and potentially for the rest of the league? [SPEAKER_01]: He basically becomes like some people have described it as like a $20 million trade exception, which is essentially true. [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could basically flip him for another player who makes up to $20 million. [SPEAKER_01]: whoever trades for his contract, they trade for the same terms, which basically means it's a $20 million dead cap hit, but they're not actually paying him $20 million dollars. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, so if another team is looking to shed salary, especially if it's a player who's making up just $20 million, it has multiple years on, you know, like the boys could trade for that player.

56:15 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and, um, yes, they're helping another team open up cap space, but for them, they're acquiring a player. [SPEAKER_01]: They're maximizing that $20 million, especially if the player could be valuable. [SPEAKER_01]: But other, like, you know, capologists are describing it as kind of like a weird version of the Amnesty clause, the Amnesty exception that we saw back in 2010 and 2011. [SPEAKER_01]: Because basically, [SPEAKER_01]: effectively erasing a contract from their cap sheet, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: So this actually does open up a lot of possibilities. [SPEAKER_01]: I would be shocked. [SPEAKER_01]: I know, you know, the Warriors, these last couple of seasons or inflection points, they've kind of talked a big game and nothing's materialized.

57:01 [SPEAKER_01]: But I think this is one that they will utilize. [SPEAKER_01]: Now, we'll net them a star. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about that, [SPEAKER_01]: a trade exception you can only use that exception. [SPEAKER_01]: So let's say I have a $20 million trade exception. [SPEAKER_01]: I had only trade for a player who makes up to $20 million. [SPEAKER_01]: This is not really an exception. [SPEAKER_01]: This is a contract. [SPEAKER_01]: So for Zingus's contract could be aggregated with another contract. [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they have any desire to move Jimmy. [SPEAKER_01]: I think at this point you want to see Jimmy get back [SPEAKER_01]: Kenzo Fakuta, he recorded a reported from Chase Center last night that Jimmy had gone through a full, a full workout and full uniform.

57:49 [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean like he's at the very least he's on track to return, you know, and make a return in this season. [SPEAKER_01]: They've not given any schedule, but I mean, you know, we've kind of all talked around like, [SPEAKER_01]: maybe sometime after like the the new year. [SPEAKER_00]: And so I would assume he'd be on the same kind of minutes saw, yeah, minutes restriction that stuff and dream on our considering how good it's worked out for both of those guys exactly exactly. [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, you know, you wonder about moody. [SPEAKER_01]: Um, because you you lock in moody, that adds like what another 12-ish million. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_01]: So you could get a player up to 32. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's just, you know, kind of [SPEAKER_01]: That's huge.

58:32 [SPEAKER_01]: That's huge, you know, in terms of both again, trying to increase like the talent base of this team, but also bringing in someone who feels kind of an area of weakness, you know. [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I mean, just kind of spitballing, but Wendell Carter Jr., who we just saw last night, I've wanted this guy on the Warriors for like five years now. [SPEAKER_01]: They should have been a warrior back in 2020, right? [SPEAKER_01]: Would, whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, whatever. [SPEAKER_01]: Monday morning, quarter-backing, you know, Dan COVID draft, but, but yeah, I mean, like for example, for teams like that, teams who are looking maybe to kind of rework their books, you know, in anticipation of having to, you know, extend contract extensions to other key players.

59:21 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, whether that be Orlando, New Orleans, you know, whatever Milwaukee, you go down the list, right? [SPEAKER_01]: There are a bunch of teams that have like, you know, pretty pretty good players, but probably don't have a future with that team, you know, and so they're trying to find an efficient way of moving them, you know, without jeopardizing their own future draft capital or [SPEAKER_01]: There's definitely nothing reported about being in the works, but these are the types of options that are open to them now.

1:00:02 [SPEAKER_01]: And for a team that has kind of, you know, been preaching the importance of optionality, I think this is the prime opportunity to capitalize on that. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, when the Pursingist news originally came out that he was not going to be starting the season. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh man, don't leave you. [SPEAKER_00]: This is like the worst deal ever. [SPEAKER_00]: And then after all, the smoke is kind of cleared on and I was like, wait, maybe it doesn't, don't leave you was like light years ahead here, light years, what they can do with this thing. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I'm sure we'll hear, I'm sure the story, [SPEAKER_00]: of what is going on at some point being written, you know, I think there's a privacy thing with poor thing, as you just want him to be healthy and to be happy with whatever the situation is, but, you know, almost everything, every story about the warriors gets out because they're such a famous team, and I'm sure somebody's going to write something about it.

1:01:03 [SPEAKER_00]: at some point, so, but yeah, this is the way that it's working out now crossing fingers because still so early in the season, it's still a veteran team that haven't had to deal with any current injuries from this season really yet. [SPEAKER_00]: Guys are healthy. [SPEAKER_00]: That can always happen, especially like we just mentioned at the top of this show because of the such the fast pace and [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to happen, hopefully not in a really terrible way, but yeah, so I mean, that's kind of where we sit. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, you and I were talking earlier about how we're going to split up the show because I have a second segment that I want to talk about, but we are going to cut it here on both the YouTube feed and the audio feed.

1:01:50 [SPEAKER_00]: So if you have this audio is going to be in two places, at least for this week, [SPEAKER_00]: it'll still be in the old BSPN network feed where all the deathline episodes are, but we have created a new feed for Golden State hoop. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is going to be exclusively in that Golden State hoop. [SPEAKER_00]: feed soon. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll probably put a couple of episodes just to kind of help with the crossover. [SPEAKER_00]: But hopefully you're subscribed on the audio side to the Golden State hoop feats. [SPEAKER_00]: That's where everything will be. [SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to cut it here. [SPEAKER_00]: So for Konrado, I'm WG. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see when you see you piece out.