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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we're back with Giants versus Dodgers are semi-regular check-in about the team that the Giants are chasing and may never catch, but at the pace that the Dodgers are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk about the world series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a very classic world series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched a lot of this world series compared to last year's Yankees and Dodgers World Series, which there were some good games, but this one was way more classic, seven gamer, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the off seasons and how each team is doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys got a closer today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did, and we needed it, Lord knows we needed the closer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I ran the numbers last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We actually wouldn't have had somewhere because Tanner Scott blew 10 saves by himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He let the lead, and then the bullpim blew another 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's 20 possible victories we could have had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We ended up with 95 wins through the seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're looking at a,

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[SPEAKER_01]: possible 115 win season for us had the bullpen not collapsed in specifically Tanner Scott.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So which was a horrible investment by Andrew Freyman, which we're going to get to later on because he made quite a few blunders as but including one of our next giant that he we invested a lot of money and was under the mendoza scale.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do have a take on that and when we get there because I even though you even though Conforta was not good and I told you

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ability that you guys take those shots is, it's such an amazing, fantastic thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you guys got ideas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about that as we get to the off season because that's a, that's a big one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's go back to the world series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was sitting here in this very chair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... during the long-extraining game and uh... at some point it was you know that it was going so late into the game that uh... which game was that was that it's a game three that was game three

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I actually started on my couch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had my, I had my laptop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was watching the the warriors, Dodgers, blue jays on on the iPad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just kind of following and I'm like, wow, this game's not over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Came into my office.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The kid was like, hey, you know, we're playing NBA 2K jump on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I jumped on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had the game on on my computer was playing on the TV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, we were just like, we've been playing for like an hour and a half and this game's still going on and then there were there were warning track shots that we thought ended the game that didn't end the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dalton Varsho's just going back and crashing into the fence a couple different times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then finally Freddie Freeman takes it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was like, you know, I was I did like three different things during the span of 18 innings and games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And and there was a there was a conversation that was happening because I believe show Hay was supposed to start the next game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so somebody said, I'm talking to, you know, people who are in their young to mid 20s, and they said, do you think show hey, warms up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, no, because he's the one guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want to change up his routine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's very specific to his routine, has just coming off of the elbow injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he needs to like only worry about tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I said, you know who will warm up?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guarantee you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yamamoto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now he didn't actually go in the game, but he did warm up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even before you guys want it, and he was the MVP, I was like, that dude is the man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just the mere fact of him warming up, it, look, this is the the closest comparison I think that we've had to something like what Madison Bumgarner did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I knew I was going to put the giant silver somehow on this car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 11 years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but I'm comparing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really like what it made me think about was man, this guy is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: even if this hurts me down the line, which it generally does with these pictures, which is why you savor these moments.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you always have that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He will always have that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like that dude is the man and he is worth every penny that you guys paid him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just for warming up to say, if you need me, I can spin a few like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just thought that was, that was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: take out the games and how good the games were but that was like my favorite moment of the world series was when he just got up to throw a few warm-up pitches like that dude that was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the team spirit though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the team spirit and that's one of the things that upsets me about the people that are not following the Dodgers every day like I am this idea that there this like juggernaut multi-million dollar team multi-billion dollar team and this idea

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[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't even take the division, we had to go through the wild card and we had a lot of injuries and the same thing that happened last year is like these guys are very proud to work larger blue, that's what they do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's this culture that I'm liking by the way,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like, it doesn't matter who you are when you throw on the Dodger uniform, you come to play, you know, and what I like is that the multi billionaires are kind of setting the example, I mean, you talked about Yamamoto going out there $300 and $7 million for 12 years, he's pitching he, you know, it was amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that inspires a kid like will climb will climb eight up four innings in that game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had never pitch beyond he had never pitch more than 35 pitches again in his entire career And on that game because we're running out of pictures.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Rojas was getting where to come in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Robbers has said has got on record saying he was going to punt the game because they ran out of pitchers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and that's when Jan was like, well, fuck it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll go in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what kind of game on four scoreless innings and that's amazing to me and what I like about this world series is that you had, you had Dodger hero sprinkle throughout the entire series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, everybody kind of contributing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Queen Rojas was like a Cinderella story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got him some of your extension seven mil just because you know, he was such a hero and then that world series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a great leader.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he's going to be molded into management eventually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, but there was a concerning thing that I want to bring up to you that there was something that concern that I noticed specifically in that game, but it's been the theme for the Dodgers, and it was very evident against the Blue Jays because the Blue Jays have a different hit in philosophy, and so if you notice in that game, the 18 and game,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they were going for bombs the entire time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were not trying to get on base, and that's what made it more frustrating, because every time the fighters came up, they were going for the launch angle, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was so, I was like, just get on base, place mob on, and that's what you do in extra enemies, but you know, do something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's frustrating, because I saw it, I saw it for the first time,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a flaw in the Dodgers team and it's a flaw in a lot of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's be real about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's very, very evident with the Dodgers and that they just don't know how to put the ball in play if they're not trying to hit bombs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's frustrating because that'll get you to the dance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's, I mean, there's a lot of things that happen in this series where the Dodgers won or maybe they shouldn't have won and I'll be the first to say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: nine times out of ten is not going to work for you all the time when you rely on slugging and just just purely slugging is that it's not going to work um and what do you think about that that philosophy of just you know the long-changle thing and all that stuff what would you say so originally when we first started hearing about long-changle it was kind of one of those things where

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[SPEAKER_00]: teams are looking for the edge right what can we do that other teams aren't doing what does the end this is a very analytical idea right how how can philosophy change now hitting home runs is not new age analytics hitting home runs has been day one and in baseball maybe not day one but

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you can, when you can score a run from the 1920s and not if you want to be heard about it when you can score a run with one swing of the bat like that is the best case scenario in any sort of in in in first situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the, but the idea of giving your team an opportunity to hit more of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, also saying, if we do this, we're going to strike out more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So how do you balance that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if we can hit more home runs, maybe we take a little bit more of striking out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if we don't hit as many as we want, and we strike out too much, then that's going the other way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A guy when we were younger, I don't

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave Kingman Dave Kingman was like hit 40 home runs strike out 180 times and hit 230 and today in today's baseball he almost fits better than he did back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: The if I think if you if you do it well, it is a fantastic strategy, but if you don't do it well and and by not doing it well, this is the giants of the last three or four years because they took that same philosophy and in 2021 they led all of baseball and home runs, but since then the strikeouts pile up and they're not hitting as many home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're more into base, base running and getting guys on base and having smart at bats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go more towards that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the reason why Buster can do that is because his team is not built to do what you guys can do and what the blue jays can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it really is about your

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[SPEAKER_00]: who can hit 30 jacks, then that is probably the best case scenario for a team philosophy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you got like six or seven guys and you got eight homeruns and 10 homeruns and you know, 12 homeruns, then it's just not because you're not getting enough guys on base and then hitting those guys in to offset all of the outs you're making because people cannot make contact.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know I agree with you 100% and and the thing about the jays was that they were putting the ball in play, you know, yeah, they could hit for for power, you know, they have both the share to get a gladi could hit for power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I mean, Rally was out of control during the entire postseason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the guy, those tears that he had when they didn't win were well earned because he was amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, to me, that was the big flaw in the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's not gonna stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you went championship, why are you gonna, you're not gonna fix was not broken, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does lead to a lot of strikeouts, like you said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Tony, if you watch a Tony play every day, I mean, he had an average of like one strikeout per day, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just frustrating because,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you can't build inings like that, you know, you can't, it's hard to have those inings like the blue days were having throughout the postseason where they're getting three, four, five runs in an inning because they're playing small ball, you know, they're making contact hitting run, but even, and there's lots of things that just don't do that anymore, not even in the postseason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, it was scary at times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this, this world series was very scary, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was very, it wasn't an easy ride whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of people say, well, the Blue Jays paid better baseball, maybe so, but the Dodgers made the moves when it counted, you know, whether you call it luck or whatever, they made them, they, they, they, they, they got some runs when it counted and they took the series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To me, it was really about making the big defensive plays when it counted, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like right there there were some and you know the blue jays had the unfortunate base running errors and that is where those you know the game of inches or the game of you know small moments really does affect I want to I want to grab these two comments though um this is not me saying this I I want people to know that this is Julio Cominaris saying

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are the Dodgers going back to the White House to visit that fascist pedophile next year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's good for business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are you going to do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They did this year, but not all the Dodgers went.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's not a very political podcast, but we mentioned the last time that's, you know, you have to talk about it when it sort of about, you know, your fan base and stuff and you know, you guys had the situation with the ice stuff that I think you guys turned around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I do wonder more people refuse to do that just because they know that the culture and the fan base is like, hey man, like we, you know, we were unhappy about how some of this was handled last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, and it's hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to be a fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to be an activist like myself, you know, somebody who advocates for marginalized groups, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do that a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do that for living.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was very hard for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, more than anybody could imagine because I love the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and one of the things that frustrated me is other virtual signaling or the virtual signaling that was going on with a lot of people that don't have the cultural connection to the Dodgers, and they're saying, well,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they shouldn't support the Dodgers just don't and it's like not that easy I mean these the you know ever since I was a kid I mean I've had so many moments of community with the Dodgers I made some some of my closest friends you know and and and it's something that would be a very avoided my life without you know because I miss baseball right now you know it's a good little self-care coping skill for me that's not around right now and it sucks and so

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, it's more about coming to terms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you talked about this with the Brock Lesnar going to WWE, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, it's more just being authentic and coming to terms that it's not something to be proud of, but I cannot, like, not watch the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would affect me too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, I do understand what they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do understand that ownership might have a stake in all these little FEMA camps or whatever their building,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just something that I have to come and turn to it, but I think I think it should be the person should be allowed to internally come to turn for that, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always like to tell everybody, I mean, if you lived in a, if anybody that lives in a developed country, if you live in a developed country.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna you're gonna cash a check and blood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've all cashed checks and blood all of us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you drive a car, if you eat meat like doesn't Man, so so there comes a point where we all just have to understand what's right or wrong and understand that we're human beings and and we they're things that we're gonna do That are that may be some hypocritical but they're a part of our lives, you know, and that's kind of where I'm at and it's not an easy decision to make

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[SPEAKER_00]: Carlos says that go Dodgers and then says Draven knows this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't always easy being a Dodgers fan No, it wasn't the Carlos is my buddy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Me and him go way back and we've gone through a lot of games together I think you yeah, you've met Carlos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I met him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we used to go, we used to have the back end of the day when it was manageable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We used to have a plan where you get guaranteed opening day and then a few days along the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, kind of like a many season planting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't do that anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I know it's hard, but I mean, I can, I can, you know, that's my team and they represent so much the community.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like to do this at all, back or white either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a lot of like, like, mooky battles was doing a lot of community service in November with Thanksgiving and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the giants are owned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the guy who kind of runs the show is the son of the owner, but that dude put so much money into the Trump campaign and this is he bought a team in San Francisco and a lot of the ugly, the really, really ugly stuff from Trump's first term where, you know, we, the, the, the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: divisiveness was just out of control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he was way on the on the right side of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So being a giant fan you're like, oh my gosh, this is who owns us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do need to shout out some of the giant side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's in my blood.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I want some context to that, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I want some, is it because he's from the Bay Area?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, that's that's good question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if he's a if he's a giant's fan or not, but I can say for me, well, I know why you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, yeah, and and that's what we learn when we are kids is that the the rivalry exists and his is a historical thing and you kind of have to pick sides and you can't can't go both ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like doing the show with you because you are the same kind of Dodgers fan that I am a giant's fan, but at the same time,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I guess I'm crashing my heart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got some dust, but at the same time, I like knowing about the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like knowing about what's going on in their world now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we sort of decided to do this, I didn't expect you guys to win back to back championships, you know, but,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys have been a really good team for a while now and and I and I like to compare some of the things that you guys are doing with some of the things that the giants can do it to improve because that we are you know being honest for just chasing you guys right now and that's kind of what what the deal is so back to the world series I think I asked you this last year now you live through 88 yeah 2020.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, twenty twenty four and now twenty twenty five and twenty seventeen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, you guys did well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, you're you're counting that one because of the cheating that was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but what's your favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: rank rank the world series teams or the world series winning teams to your fandom like is 88 still the the number one because that all 88 88 became almost like a curse like the you know how many you know that how tired I was and I and Carlos is still listening he knows but we talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was tired of seeing that damn Kirk Gibson doing this, you know, like we needed more highlights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, it was messed up, um, then we had that Julio Reas getting the last shout which kind of became the new highlight and then he, he had the, the whole domestic violence thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we kind of had to erase him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got Chris Benoit from Dodger Law.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, and so we had no highlights again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then the, you know what, you know, what was the closest one we had that to me replace Kurt Gibson because I was tired of that was still thinly hitting that home run against you guys back in 04, which is a game that I was that life and that, and that eliminated the giants and it, and it punished our ticket to the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so it's nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously the, the, the Yankees when we're free with Freddy

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because of that moment, I'm going to say my favorite moment, as far as the world series that I've been alive in would have been 2024 because you couldn't write that man, Freddie Freeman going out there, remember he had a bad anchor, just like, give me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and and he comes out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's limping just like Gibby, you know, it's a grand slam home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Gibby wasn't a grand slam, but it was a game winner in game one that completely deflated the ace and to me, just those parallels, right, just romanticizing that moment, very poetic moment and dr. history, you can't beat it, you can write it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that would be my number one, then I would go 2020, I don't care what the haters say, because I remember talking to you and you were like, you finally got that monkey off your back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, especially because at that time, not so much now, but at that time, there wasn't enough of a gap for you guys to stop bragging about the every other year thing with the giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys could still throw that one around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's a little too late.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're getting a little

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at this time, at 2020, it was still fair play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, it was like at least we got one, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was a very special moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was with my friends and there was a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was also kind of like a pick me up because it was in the middle of COVID.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We weren't getting anything live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was an Arlington Texas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that was a special moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then last year's, oh my, my last year's like a month ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just magic, magic, because again,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what an amazing world series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then of course, 88, I remember just a celebration in the neighborhood.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody just being so happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And especially because that was a very scrappy team that they were not planned to be in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the odds were against them and they came through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, that's kind of my my rundown there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll see about 2026 because there's a good shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We might with my three feet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what's what's up with Freddie Freeman and these weird interests in this dude like slip in the shower last year or two and get her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's interesting man because he's he's he's like the walking wounded when you see him out there, you know, he's like, you know, your mind's been on this Terry funk, you know, he's like, he goes out there and he gives it his off, but then if you go live to the game's life or you see him on TV when he's going back to the dugout, man, he's dragging man, but then you see him in these wedding videos and he's doing the warm and it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like, you know, he went viral right after the world series, because he was actually was a badger after party when they wanted and he was doing the worm and I was like, God damn, just be careful, like, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So who knows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at this point, I am a little concerned that we are going to have an older team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I texted you about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to be 37 next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He still has three years left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in Mooki's younger, Mooki's in his mid 30s, but Mooki started to show he showed a little bit of that wear and tear last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and we have we're coming into these guys for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what's going to become of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we going to just have them be bats off the bench, which I don't know how this respect for that would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we do have some young talent in the waiting and the wings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I'm I'm kind of concerned about us having an older team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he was ill, he wasn't even really hurt, he was like ill. And then he played a lot of short stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it sounds like he's gonna be the short stuff again, which is really good for just that stability and he had a really good defensive ear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But his offense was down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think any of that had to do with plain short supper was it mostly because he's ill or is he getting older?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what was your thoughts on his down here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a bit of a BNC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a little A BNC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's getting older.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think plain short stop has a lot of more wear and turn on your body.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's a very explosive position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta be ready at all times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But look, this guy's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's one of the things about these athletes,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we see a married day, like the autonies, like autonic, you know, he could hit a he could pitch a mookie out of nowhere, it's a size to be a short stop, you know, and a major league level, I'm going to be a short stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to go glove and right field, you know, and he comes in and third place for a gold glove and short stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how amazing it was in his first year as a short stop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, these are things that your average person cannot do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to your transfer question, I do think that age, injuries, and just,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The illness that he had in the beginning of the year where he dropped like 20 pounds on really affected his performance and then later on

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because one thing about hitting a baseball is that it's contagious, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you're on a roll, you're hitting every day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you're in a slump, it seems like the baseball is a marble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't see it, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think with him, it also became a confidence issue later on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things that I really admire about this Dodger team is that how honest they are with the media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Mookie was there cutting promo saying that he's very, you know, he's, he, he, nobody's hard on himself than him and if it was about discipline and practice is not that because he's there every day, you know, so you see, you see the pain that he's going through to try and figure out what's happening and it just can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so I think he will see what we'll see the season that he has next year, but yeah, he's definitely the MVP movie I think is behind us at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you and I have talked about this in the past about the Hall of Fame, and so there's now this historical committee, I think you should be called the Veterans Committee, and it's like if you don't make it in your time, your 15 years of being on the ballot, then you get this other way to make the, there's more complicated and names Hall of Fame to be honest with you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there were there was a famous Dodger player for an end of Elms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, uh, Giants at two guys on there, Jeff Kent and Barry Bonds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And of Don Maddingley's on there, um, Dale Murphy was on there and of all the guys to make the Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: giant and Dodgers player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jeff Kent, which was a surprise, not that I don't think he is deserving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of it is he played in this era, which it's almost questionable for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was actually very anti steroids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was just like, test everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He said all this stuff after he left the giants, by the way, test everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, we need to get, we need to fix this problem, and so I was happy to see it happen, but, you know, he had the same 15 years that everyone else did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was really surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What, what is your relationship and what are, what is Dodger fans relationship with Jeff Kent?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Jeff kind of somebody that really kind of connected with the community because he's from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's a guy that, I mean, when he first, when they first gave him the jersey to be our second basement back in old six, I believe, he cried, you know, like, this is a dream for me, and he, he originally had signed, he was doing the gimmick where he was going year by year and he ended up staying four years with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we went to the NLCS twice with him, lost twice to the Phillies,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's somebody that people remember and he's somebody that people see as somebody actually when he retired he cried again because he retired as a Dodger and he was like he said he wasn't a miswaring the uniform.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that I remember with him that always drove me the wrong way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First of all, he was a real stick in the mud like he just had no sense of humor like at all Yeah, and he went on record and says like I don't really even like baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't watch baseball I don't like when I go home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want like so this guy this guy just he was just given the gift by God to play baseball Yeah, but he wasn't actually a fan

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I, that was, that was run me the wrong way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, let's kind of don't say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do it even if you're thinking that like that's kind of messed up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's something I'll never forget.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even even in the, because he talked to the media when they made the announcement, you know, he's a little putger now, of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not, not he, there are no more level putger, but he's not here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but but yeah, he said the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, oh, he talked about how he doesn't really keep up because today's baseball not the same, but you know, the old man's speech, you know, yeah, today's baseball not the same baseball that I grew, you know, so doesn't put over the only puts over his time frame, which he played in

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and all sports and entertainment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just put it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so I like Jeff Ken.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was he was a he contributed Uh, good to us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have some good years with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we actually didn't really like officially had a consistent second baseman for years after he left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, yeah, he was a good quality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, baseball player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He put over a normal Garcia par for some reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though they only played together for a couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I know him and Barry didn't get into a couple of fish fights or at least one, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that there was a argument in the dugout, he said something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Barry put both of his hands around Kent's neck and pushed him into the back of the dugout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was the argument.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what's funny is that

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't even remember the reason for the argument, you know, that those guys were kind of like oil and water personality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Interestingly, their personalities were very similar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because they were both like kind of angry, grouchy kind of guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, is their property now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so, but you know, honestly, I'm sure bonds is still sort of bonds, but at least his public persona, you could see that he's trying to be a little bit more of like a normal dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he even,

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[SPEAKER_00]: On his Instagram page, he celebrated Jeff Kent and he said how proud he was and how happy he was that Jeff made it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then when they asked Jeff about Barry, he was still kind of like, well, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not my decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't have a vote in this event.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Jeff, you could have won so many Brownie points with this fan base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because this fan base, the Giants fan base, even though Kent was

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[SPEAKER_00]: they still don't really wrap their arms around him like if you were talking about the top giants players of the last 25 years like of a position every day player he's probably in like the top six or seven because of how good he was but probably barely in the top 20 from a perspective of the the popularity of the fan base just because he's he didn't really like

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he didn't he had the whole thing about where he messed up his wrist in spring training and I think he did it right in his motorcycle and he crashes motorcycle and to this day I still think he says that he slipped washing his truck like just will not admit that he was he was recklessly goofing off on his motorcycle so it's just stuff like that where you know you kind of like I like Jeff can't

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I'm like, gosh, yeah, I just wish this dude was like a better dude, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think a lot of giant fans have that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now, do you think he's a note?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, do you think it was without saying or do you think there's the possibility that he goes into the Hall of Fame with the Dodgers uniform?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he has said that he's going in as a giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I didn't know that yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a, you know, bit dusty baker this dusty baker that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I kind of expected it, but it's not like like the giants were clearly his best years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he had some other really good years and I remember when he came up with the Indians, now guardians, he was a prospect that just didn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: necessarily or, you know, he was a younger player who just didn't necessarily do as well as as he was supposed to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then for whatever reason, Giants traded for him in a very unpopular trade, because they sent Matt Williams the other way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Williams was beloved, though now Matt Williams is like, angry old man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a field pass last year, not this past season, but season before, and no, it was, was it this year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I think it was year before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So me and my buddy Brad, who does the Thompson and Clark show with me, we were on the fields for bad, and there wasn't badning practice this day, but it was only fielding practice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know the guy who, he's the audio engineer of the giant's games on KMBR.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he found me because of the stuff I do with Meltzer on Wrestling Observer Radio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He reached out to me because of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we connected because of the giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he got us a field pass.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's not much going on because it was like day game after a night game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the the team, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like very few people out there like some guys pitching on the side, you know, there was a Bob Melvin was was doing some stuff and Matt Williams was just hitting grounders to match Chapman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's not that many people on the field like it's us and maybe like a couple other groups of people and you know we're just talking and like we like that stuff Brad and I both played baseball through high school and and after high school so just the idea of Matt Williams hitting fun goes to Matt Chapman was like kind of cool to us and a couple different times William just looked in our direction as if we were bothering him or something and all we're doing is watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the first time I was like, is he mad at us just for being on the field?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then another time, as they were walking off, he just looks at us again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, we're just watching them take ground balls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is his deal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he, he kind of became like the, a little bit of the grumpy guy, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't, uh, he wasn't looking his sleeves when he was doing the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, did you see that Montreal exposed documentary on Netflix?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did, of course, with the Carnegie owner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was the year that season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Williams was on pace to break Roger Maris before Mark McGuire did it, you know, a few years late after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was on pace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some days he was over the pace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some days he was under the pace, but before they went on strike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was right there, you know, with the possibility of getting to that number.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that would have been an interesting thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as we know, the season did not happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, we did not happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's a lot of, I'll answer questions with that season, unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the expuls, there were contenders that year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there were the favorites, actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was going to ask you, did you see the A-Rawd documentary?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you watch it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And is it good?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I enjoyed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, and he kind of worked me a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was after after the doctor, like maybe this guy needs to be in the hall of fame, you know, but again, when when you know, when you get those kind of documentaries, just the emotional bias is going to kind of make you think that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but but he was very humble and apologetic and and honest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and and because it reminded me, I ask you about that because that's something very months is not and I think that's what the reason he almost just never talks about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's got a record of saying that if he gets a doctor, he's not going to show up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said, you know, just because I guess, you know, he's got such a high opinion of himself that it's like, no, now they're hurting me, my feelings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I ain't going if they end up me, even though he's never going to be inducted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like because we saw what happened with this new committee or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But with A-Rod, yeah, I, again, you know, 162 games, I mean, you know, the story, it was really, I mean, he got overly punished to be made an example of, even, I thought even back then I thought that was very unfair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because everybody else that came on in that list got like 62 games and he got 100 and said he got a whole season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, very interesting, check that out when you have the chance for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have this interesting relationship with A-Rod, because

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he had he in barrier kind of on the cheaters aspect there on like the Mount Rushmore of it, even though so many other guys did the exact same thing that they did, they just excelled and broke records while doing it so that puts them on this Mount Rushmore, but I remember when he came up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of such a fan of his.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then once he's once he went to Texas, remember he took all that money to go to Texas when there were some of the better teams who were who wanted him, but he took the most money he could possibly get and Texas wasn't good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there was a little bit of a weird thing there where I think reputationally he took a little bit of a hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there was

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then he didn't go to Boston and then he went to New York and was he going to push Geter out of his spot and Geter's like he ain't pushing nobody out of nobody spot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there were some like acrimonious relationship there, but he has actually gone on record as saying

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[SPEAKER_00]: If bud sealic is in the Hall of Fame, why are the players the ones who are taking it taking the punishment?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because bud sealic was the whole guy in charge when all this stuff happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's under his watch, yet he didn't get punished in all the players who, you know, made the sports so much money or the ones who got punished, which is

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[SPEAKER_00]: If there is an argument, that is a solid argument, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, that's more an argument as to why Bob's Felix shouldn't be in, not for everybody to be in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's quite a difference there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other thing though, is it's basically saying, you writers, you people who vote,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys are hypocrites because what Alex is really saying is But see like new and didn't do anything about it because the popularity was at an all-time high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what he's really saying without saying it and so if bud was in on the thing

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[SPEAKER_00]: then, you know, there's some manipulation going on there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, uh, but, you know, but, see, because actually still alive, by the way, I was doing wrestling up to a variety with Dave and we were talking about this subject, and I was like, and I had said that I thought but had died, and then we were talking that I did a quick Wikipedia search.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't I apologize to but on air for for saying that he was gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not he's in his I think he's in his like upper 80s or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to be a gorilla monsoon to a superstar Billy Graham.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not when I have not when I have the internet right at my fingertips.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, yeah, you're right though, it's, it's, I don't know, again, that's another topic that really I'm conflicted on, you know, I get so angry, I get so angry because, and again, nobody really knows even into days players, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everybody does stuff you got money, there's stuff that can be detected, but let's just go under the assumption that everybody's clean today, which I think it's a very, it's, it's a logical assumption, but who knows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when I see old Tony right or Tony or Aaron judge or you know or Carl Raleigh this year like You can't get excited because they're never gonna cat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're never gonna hit 74 home runs You know, it makes me angry because it's like you robbed us of these moments like you robbed us at but then again

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[SPEAKER_01]: The old argument still stands like you could you saw you want that doesn't teach you to make contact with the ball You know, you still have to have we talked earlier that exit velocity the logic Yeah, I mean very bonds is still one of the greatest players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Someone say the greatest player a lot of it's interesting with very bonds a lot of people from his generate a lot of players from his generation Say he's the greatest ball player of all time, you know, um W. wrestler Anthony Bowens thinks he's the greatest player of all time, too

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I didn't help you get over brother Anthony Anthony Bowens is a big giant fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've reached out to him a couple times because he's been looking for some bonds cards I have a lot of bond stuff and I was like dude, just shoot me your address.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll send you a couple cards

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so which is weird, because he's an East Coast New York guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's from the Northeast, but yeah, there's a lot of giants fans over there because they used to be over there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, I mean, like, well, Tony should have been breaking all kinds of records.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're in judge, but whatever is they didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get over it and move on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Same thing with the Astros cheating, which has got to get over it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a hard one, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm super.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one would rub me the wrong way, probably until my last day, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's why I was happy that that springer didn't get another ring because I was like, ah, not not not a second go wrong with this guy with this cheater.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's let's bring it to today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The hot stove season winner meetings are happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The baseball lottery happened today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants moved all the way up from the 12th pick to the fourth pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe lady luck is is a

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, uh, you, like I said, you guys signed Edwin Diaz, and part the, the cynic in me says that, um, I don't know, man, it hasn't been great signing previous years, really the best closer in baseball for you guys, but at the same time, because of what we just said, you have the funds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to sprinkle in all of these different areas to try and make up for some mistakes like Tanner Scott.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And who knows, maybe Tanner Scott bounces back, maybe being the eighth inning left handed arm is a much, I mean, it is a much easier job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe under the bright lights of being on the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I think they're saying that he had maybe some physical stuff, maybe that kind of got a notice to whatever, whatever, is the case, he had a bad year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you're doing it again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You go after the best clothes are on the market.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like maybe he even took less money to come to the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was a Steve Cohen was giving him 63 mill over three years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dodgers up that by three mill and plus you want to win a championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Dodgers have that proven record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No deferment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think so, that's that's another conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm worried about that too, actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's let's talk about a couple of subjects here really quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just go back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of them is this idea because the way you insinuated is that we just throw money at problems.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what's happening here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's happening here is that we actually have developed some talent to carry some of the late innings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got some pretty good prospects that are there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Rokizusaki is still there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though he wants to be a starter, he wants to be a starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do feel like Andrew Friedman and management want to make it clear that they're investing because again, after the 2020, six season with the lockout who knows, but I think they want to go on record as showing that they're investing so much money back into the team, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to do it with their action, something that a lot of these teams are not doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's gonna be,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The main defending point when it comes to these talks, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, is a salary cap ain't gonna do nothing if the owners are still pocketing all the money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what's happening now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's been a lot of stats on the internet showing like how much money the, the modern zone or pockets, for example, the pirate zone or like they, there's revenue sharing and baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody's making money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just depends how much you put back into the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the doctors are doing that, I think they've been doing that, which is why I have no problem with our management, because it really shows that they treat the sport with dignity and respect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to the point of why Edwin decided to come to LA instead of taking, you know, again, the 63 million New York where he's already established and he's got, I'm sure he's got a little more stroke in New York.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been there for a while, is because the daughters have also created a culture of treating the sport with respect and dignity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they invested $100 million in rebuilding the visiting clubhouse and making it a state-of-the-art facility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so that players when they come and play out the other stadium, they're like, I wouldn't mind playing here every day, you know, they're development team is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the way they develop players, one of the things that I didn't like is how much they stockpile talent and then they make any moves during the off season, the trade deadline last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, why are you stopped piloting all these rookies or all these minor leagueers when we could afford to give some up to content right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, but Freemann said, you know what, I built this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't have to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it worked out in the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, his whole his whole thing was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to use the offseason to build the bullpins so we don't have to trade any of our prospects for bullpins arms come to deadline like we should be set.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the injuries there there were so many injuries that you guys had to deal with that the plan didn't work out and by the way, I want to I want to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, when I said you guys have money to fix problems, it's not just the ability to it's a depth thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That the, my co-host Brad says this all the time, which is in baseball,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not building a five man starting rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What you're really doing is you're building a 10 man starting rotation because so many guys are gonna get hurt during the season and you have to be able to bring in arms whether they're in AAA or whether they're coming up and you have to put them on the 40 man and maybe they're really long relievers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to build this depth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what you guys can do

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[SPEAKER_00]: from the starting pitching perspective and the bullpin perspective is this guy doesn't work out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we have this other dude who throws 98 and maybe he's not the best picture, but for one inning or for three batters, maybe that 98 mal power fastball is really all that we need.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's just coming in so fired up and so hot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His stuff is dancing and the, you know, the blue jazer just they didn't really have a chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that is what that allows you to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you guys draft for that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you also build your team with the idea of, we're gonna spend Bucu books on Blake's Nell,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... yama moto in class now but then we're gonna have these other guys who are young or cheap or maybe the reclamation projects they just get not of uh... you know time john surgery three years ago

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to have these guys at the end knowing that Blake Snell is going to crack his fingernail and be out for two months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so but then you have a guy to come in and that's really what today's pitching steps are and and the best managers, they manage the bullpen in a way where

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know your top dog is out well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We may not be able to get six innings, seven innings of that type, but we're gonna get four innings here and three innings here and still be close enough to give our teams a chance to win baseball games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you guys do very well and it helps to have the financial to do that, but also it's kind of the way that you guys build your team and that's what I hope

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[SPEAKER_00]: buster as he's studying the teams that are doing things like he's taking a little bit from that from the brewer's because he knows he doesn't have these crazy boppers and he's also playing home games in a park that is not easy for a guy to hit a lot of home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and trying to improve the fundamentals and whenever you can add speed and smarter based running, you want to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also let's look at how the Dodgers build out their starting rotation and their bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's take from there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's learn how they do it because for now two years in a row, you've had to go through

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[SPEAKER_00]: a regular season and three playoff series is with the same amount of roster spots as everybody else and you guys have been able to get through it for the last two years and win two world series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is impressive and that is coming from somebody who hates the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you putting us over like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I will say that one of the things that's concerning is this new culture that's being created and one of the things about baseball, as you've seen over the last 15, 20 years, is that when something works, everybody adapts to it and it's a little frustrating because you use the individuality of every manager and every team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not I'm not digging this idea of because Rob what are the reasons why we only got 95 wins besides 10 Reblowing 10 of them and the other the the book and blowing another 10 was that robbers just decided to punk games early on with the strategy of saving the Blake's now is the class now's in the back and like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we had, we had Tony Gaunsel and started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had Dennis Mays starting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had Kershaw starting in the first half of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, they just didn't have it, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were, they were middle of the road pictures at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even Kershaw as much as we respect them, or I respect them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That strategy is a little concerning because Robert did state that that was to strategy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like, we're saving Blake's now, you know, and now all of a sudden we have this this culture where starting pitchers are only expected to pitch after July, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it concerns me a little bit because yeah, you're going to win World Series trophies with it, but then how what are we going to start like all of a sudden just having pitchers throw in September?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what does this end?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just it was a little frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: glass now, who according to Jeff Passson is on the market unofficially, he's never pitched more than 130 in a year ever since he's been a major leader, he's going on seven years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know all about Blake's now, the guy, he's a late starter, you know, and he's very an iffy pitcher, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he reminds me a lot of the of the picture that the Blue Jays just overpaid for was his name didn't He sees yeah, I see like he's like a younger Blake's now like what Blake's now was two three years ago And it's like I wouldn't invest in that because Blake's now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's amazing when he's on but some but he's he walks a lot of people You know it's only as I thought when they'd signed cease.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seas is a poor man's glass now who's gonna get paid like a rich man's glass now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what let's what I thought but

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah, you're 100% it's you're not paying for performance as much as you are paying for innings these days when it comes to starting pitching because if you think about it, like by the way that baseball used to work, like let's say Steve Carlton, let me let me bring a name from from the old days, you know, Steve Carlton was thrown in 280 to 300 innings a year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Winning 20 games striking out 250 guys a year like imagine if you had that today like he'd be the He'd be the highest paid player in baseball just because he gives you innings and results and today If you if you get Blake to go five and Blake doesn't have his great stuff and Maybe maybe he comes out of the game and you're down three to one

53:36.507 --> 53:40.821
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's only four innings for the bullpen you serve a chance to come back if you have a good offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's how they look at it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now if you get someone like Yamamoto,

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[SPEAKER_00]: who's going to go seven and he's going to give up to.

53:49.350 --> 53:57.860
[SPEAKER_00]: And your team is so confident that they just have to score three or four runs when he pitches and you're going to win like that that's that's what an ace is today.

53:57.880 --> 54:05.730
[SPEAKER_00]: Same with the with the giants in Logan Webb like Logan Webb led the league in innings pitched and strikeouts last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a sinker ball pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because he he come he he's every five days every five days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was able to add up enough strikeouts to lead all of the league and in strikeouts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, those guys are those are your your your top level guys can Dylan cease be a Yamamoto or a Logan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in some starts,

54:29.748 --> 54:38.438
[SPEAKER_00]: He'll look like the second coming and then in other starts he'll go through four innings and give up five runs and walk the, you know, six guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was the same guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a carbon copy of snow in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said he's maybe more accountable than snow, you know, because now he'll give you all the excuse in the book, except that he had a bad day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's it's going to be interesting what happens with the starting pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to ask you some

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like the giants I tested you this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they have like a top three maybe top five in field when it comes to not only like like offensive numbers and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You said they don't have the horses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they had they they have a Robbie Ray.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had Logan Webb.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think those those are some two party starters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where do you see you said they didn't have that?

55:23.663 --> 55:24.645
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you mean by that?

55:24.760 --> 55:31.072
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you get past, so obviously, Verlander was their number three starter.

55:31.633 --> 55:40.790
[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're four and five were guys on the younger side of things who had never really pitched long into the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause a lot of these pictures these days and you see this with the Dodgers.

55:45.044 --> 55:49.893
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't push them to throw much because they don't want to waste the innings out of their arm.

55:50.193 --> 55:57.387
[SPEAKER_00]: So then when they get to the big leagues, they're comfortable going three or four, but when you stretch them further, that's kind of when they get hurt.

55:57.767 --> 56:03.758
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the giant's had a couple of kids land in group, a Hayden bird song, who were there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Hayden bird song, there were moments where you're like, oh man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like this guy's actually the real deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you get to mid season and all of a sudden he can't throw strikes and you're like, well, why is that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And some of it is just the pressure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure of being in the big leagues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it is fatigue.

56:23.299 --> 56:28.363
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't really have the he never had to throw this hard for this long.

56:29.104 --> 56:36.010
[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go, okay, well, has this screwed him

56:35.990 --> 56:37.453
[SPEAKER_00]: Post after that.

56:38.135 --> 56:39.137
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, who do you have?

56:39.157 --> 56:43.947
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they had a couple of guys in the miners who could come up, but not consistent.

56:44.428 --> 56:46.493
[SPEAKER_00]: And so they were really dependent.

56:46.513 --> 56:49.098
[SPEAKER_00]: They base with the distance overtax their bullpen.

56:49.218 --> 56:50.421
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay.

56:50.890 --> 57:13.590
[SPEAKER_00]: starting pitcher you don't got to worry about these three days if you get web and ray and verlander we could we can go light on the bullpen but these next two days just be ready to pitch because you're going to have to throw many multiple innings in some cases and so they're they're young closer who made the all start team Randy Rodriguez blows out his elbow.

57:14.009 --> 57:33.975
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... they traded communal devolent and uh... Tyler Rogers at the deadline and this was bus through thinking that well we need to get younger we need to get more athletic we have an outside shot at making the playoffs but it doesn't look great so he decided to trade those arms and and so now you know as down the stretch

57:33.955 --> 57:51.274
[SPEAKER_00]: They got guys coming out of the bullpen that you have to be a real, real sports fan to know who these guys are and you know, they did a pretty good job because the giants made a nice little run there at the end, of course, as I said into the beginning of the season, they were going to go, they did this, it's not when they run into us.

57:52.396 --> 57:56.200
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is, you know, that that's the thing is, how do you.

57:57.277 --> 58:14.632
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, how do you build into the infrastructure to where you have six or seven dependable starters and maybe you really have to invest and think of it in that way.

58:15.113 --> 58:16.894
[SPEAKER_00]: But the giants did not have that last year.

58:16.954 --> 58:21.518
[SPEAKER_00]: So they run out of guys, they run out of guys and it was really bad.

58:21.718 --> 58:26.963
[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope that they look at that a little bit closely.

58:26.943 --> 58:52.360
[SPEAKER_00]: you know we have these other arms they may not be ready by April but they'll be ready by July when we really need them and then you can plug them in and extend the shelf life of your starting rotation and not tax the bullpen but they were not able to do that last year so i just i just hope that there's a little bit of a understanding and a change in philosophy around that because as you guys and as the blue jays showed like the you know the blue jays bring in the kid

58:52.340 --> 58:58.510
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yes, savage who had pitched in, uh, I think a bluff able or something.

58:58.550 --> 58:59.652
[SPEAKER_00]: And that dude was awesome.

59:00.153 --> 59:02.256
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's sometimes you need the luck of that too.

59:02.356 --> 59:04.640
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when actually comes up, there's some reason.

59:05.622 --> 59:07.665
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, the the my card.

59:07.765 --> 59:11.952
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what there's a little bit of a lag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, go anyways.

59:15.115 --> 59:22.458
[SPEAKER_01]: No, one of the things he was kind of like what he was kind of like a throwback of those old players that were like 22 and they look like 32.

59:22.839 --> 59:25.367
[SPEAKER_01]: He reminded me of one of those guys from back in the day.

59:27.423 --> 59:28.805
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have another question for you.

59:30.247 --> 59:33.532
[SPEAKER_01]: We talked a little bit about Tony Vattello, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you had, and I know you've already analyzed Tony Vattello.

59:37.417 --> 59:39.180
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you've already analyzed it on this show.

59:39.600 --> 59:44.187
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do wonder because you kind of feel that he's got a lot to prove.

59:44.787 --> 59:47.011
[SPEAKER_01]: He may be not be the right fit for this team.

59:48.412 --> 59:55.202
[SPEAKER_01]: He used to just manage a bunch of young kids, which is a different strategy.

59:55.182 --> 59:58.937
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you still, do you still feel that way or is it still a concern for you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The media, the sports media out here, they,

01:00:06.674 --> 01:00:10.078
[SPEAKER_00]: are attracted to the power of personality.

01:00:11.059 --> 01:00:12.160
[SPEAKER_00]: And he has that.

01:00:12.340 --> 01:00:14.502
[SPEAKER_00]: He's got that power of personality.

01:00:15.263 --> 01:00:24.773
[SPEAKER_00]: Very likable guy, great public speaker, makes you think that, okay, if I was playing, I could play for this guy.

01:00:25.514 --> 01:00:27.937
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's great, that's a positive.

01:00:29.218 --> 01:00:35.905
[SPEAKER_00]: I want, what I want to see is when

01:00:37.184 --> 01:00:49.641
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he's over 15, and he's struggling, and Vatillo's trying to give him, you know, some information about something like how Raffy Devours takes that.

01:00:49.756 --> 01:00:56.123
[SPEAKER_00]: is the fact that Vatello was a great college coach does that mean anything to a Raffi divers?

01:00:56.984 --> 01:01:06.354
[SPEAKER_00]: How does the veterans in the clubhouse think about more of like the raw raw power of personality guy?

01:01:06.714 --> 01:01:16.084
[SPEAKER_00]: Now the giants are gonna have some a strong coaching staff because they were, they just hired Ron Washington who was a big league manager and he's literally awesome.

01:01:16.064 --> 01:01:20.553
[SPEAKER_00]: He's literally there to be a bench coach and he's literally there to help out with the infield.

01:01:21.374 --> 01:01:26.684
[SPEAKER_00]: And they got Bochi, they got Dusty Baker as like advisors, so they're always going to be around.

01:01:27.045 --> 01:01:28.588
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to have a lot of help.

01:01:29.430 --> 01:01:31.493
[SPEAKER_00]: But do you know, do you know F.P.

01:01:31.514 --> 01:01:32.335
[SPEAKER_00]: San Tangelo?

01:01:33.277 --> 01:01:34.139
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course.

01:01:34.700 --> 01:01:36.142
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a throwback right there.

01:01:36.162 --> 01:01:36.503
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:01:36.567 --> 01:01:37.148
[SPEAKER_00]: So F.P.

01:01:37.168 --> 01:01:40.153
[SPEAKER_00]: Santangelo is a broadcaster out here.

01:01:40.353 --> 01:01:42.517
[SPEAKER_00]: Still has very close ties to the giants.

01:01:43.138 --> 01:01:46.544
[SPEAKER_00]: And he actually has one of the better giants podcasts out there called Splash Hit.

01:01:47.746 --> 01:01:55.518
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was saying, he managed in Abel for, I think he said for one season with Sounds A Giants.

01:01:55.699 --> 01:01:59.886
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the team that I grew up watching my local minor league.

01:01:59.906 --> 01:02:02.490
[SPEAKER_00]: And he was saying that when he,

01:02:03.432 --> 01:02:07.876
[SPEAKER_00]: realized on the field how quickly he had to make decisions.

01:02:07.996 --> 01:02:09.038
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like overwhelming.

01:02:09.618 --> 01:02:13.242
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, you watched the game like us, like we know the game.

01:02:13.742 --> 01:02:17.886
[SPEAKER_00]: We're calling out stuff as as we see it because, you know, we're smart baseball fans.

01:02:18.347 --> 01:02:29.878
[SPEAKER_00]: But he was saying when he was actually in the dugout, the amount of information that he had to process and communicate out was so fast that it was overwhelming.

01:02:29.858 --> 01:02:37.750
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the college game is probably pretty fast, but the pro game is going to be a different level for him.

01:02:37.770 --> 01:02:40.194
[SPEAKER_00]: So how does he adapt to that?

01:02:40.454 --> 01:02:48.306
[SPEAKER_00]: And can he, because the giants really do need to show some success early in the season or the fans are just going to be like,

01:02:48.708 --> 01:02:49.509
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we're out.

01:02:49.769 --> 01:02:57.940
[SPEAKER_00]: Last year was a great year for the park, for the fan base, like the attendance grew a decent amount.

01:02:57.980 --> 01:03:02.746
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not actually sure why, honestly, it could be because they invested in Chapman.

01:03:02.766 --> 01:03:04.088
[SPEAKER_00]: They invested in a Domus.

01:03:04.489 --> 01:03:05.750
[SPEAKER_00]: Junghu Lee was back.

01:03:05.930 --> 01:03:08.173
[SPEAKER_00]: So they did put some money into the players.

01:03:09.375 --> 01:03:15.643
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is also an area where they're like, you know, we're in as long as it's fun,

01:03:15.893 --> 01:03:27.196
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we can walk down the street and go to an art museum or go to like a five star restaurant like if we want how are we prioritizing the giants versus everything else that goes on out here.

01:03:27.236 --> 01:03:34.611
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do think that they need to have some early success in order to set the tone because if they don't.

01:03:35.418 --> 01:03:40.043
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it could be, from a fan perspective, it could be a little frustrating.

01:03:40.904 --> 01:03:46.190
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the public persona of Houve Tello is with the fans, with the media.

01:03:46.270 --> 01:03:47.531
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been very positive.

01:03:48.092 --> 01:04:01.286
[SPEAKER_00]: I just need to see it in real time because the Rob Ross stuff works for some people, but the knowledge and the X is a nose and really understanding the players and having those strong relationships is kind of what counts.

01:04:01.727 --> 01:04:04.750
[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see how that happens.

01:04:05.084 --> 01:04:27.784
[SPEAKER_00]: to put it in perspective it's not like in the NBA right when you had the shack and Kobe Lakers you're like man these are two of the best players in the league why are they not taking the Lakers to the NBA finals and you know well we got the witch doctor Phil Phil Jackson coming in and that's what we kind of need and he's just like you know he's he's doing nothing but psychology for these guys

01:04:27.764 --> 01:04:29.446
[SPEAKER_00]: and then they went three titles in a row.

01:04:29.747 --> 01:04:33.131
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like you have that necessarily in baseball.

01:04:33.391 --> 01:04:39.539
[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's like a little bit of an adapting time where the team's got to get you so a new guy again.

01:04:39.660 --> 01:04:41.662
[SPEAKER_00]: Bob Melvin was only here for two years.

01:04:41.722 --> 01:04:45.487
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are players who were like, oh yeah, we were dealing with gig capital.

01:04:45.547 --> 01:04:46.769
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're dealing with Bob Melvin.

01:04:46.809 --> 01:04:48.031
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we're dealing with another guy.

01:04:48.391 --> 01:04:54.379
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's that kind of thing where, you know, there's going to be some time

01:04:54.882 --> 01:05:08.842
[SPEAKER_00]: is like he game one, he just goes and he's just, you know, brings to the table what he does best in the giant, take to it, but there's also this alternate universe where Raphael Devers is like, okay, dude, quit talking.

01:05:08.942 --> 01:05:12.828
[SPEAKER_00]: I just need to hit the space and so we'll see how that works.

01:05:13.389 --> 01:05:14.410
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:05:14.508 --> 01:05:20.696
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but one of the things that, as I'm hearing you, they did build a veteran coaching staff around him.

01:05:21.157 --> 01:05:28.587
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you have Ron Washington, you have Dusty Baker, Bruce Boachy, and I think that was very intentional.

01:05:28.707 --> 01:05:33.073
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they understand that he's young, wet behind the years, but he's got...

01:05:33.053 --> 01:05:33.734
[SPEAKER_01]: potential.

01:05:34.796 --> 01:05:38.742
[SPEAKER_01]: They like how he connects with the city, which is always good for a city like San Francisco.

01:05:39.263 --> 01:05:51.181
[SPEAKER_01]: And so they see they almost this as an investment, maybe to pay off, you know, two, three years down the line, but as he gets there, he's going to have a lot of experience around him, you know.

01:05:52.544 --> 01:05:58.613
[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody, somebody like a Davers could go around Washington could put out that flame, you know, because he's been around for years.

01:05:59.314 --> 01:06:01.137
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a veteran president there.

01:06:01.117 --> 01:06:17.006
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, so I think that I think there's some potential there, not not enough to take us out of course, but I think as long as we have the team that I'm isn't a sound like I'm bragging, but I'm just being realistic.

01:06:17.567 --> 01:06:21.454
[SPEAKER_01]: I think as long as we have the team that we have and we're healthy.

01:06:21.434 --> 01:06:39.038
[SPEAKER_01]: The national league this is very much going to be focused on who could get the wild card spots and be honest with you because it just it just seems that the Dodgers are too good and, you know, we got we got the yesterday we need a left fielder once we get comfortable spot all settled in we're going to be good to go again, you know.

01:06:39.018 --> 01:06:48.713
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and the rumors, Cody Bellinger coming back home as Vince McMahon managed to tell the rest of us while we need you back home, that's over talking Cody Bellinger.

01:06:48.773 --> 01:06:57.988
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because I don't think, I don't think we want to invest in the upper tier outfielders right now and the Kyle Tucker's of the world.

01:06:59.167 --> 01:07:13.641
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think something like Balinger would be a good fit and and I think we'll be we'll be in a good spot to to compete next year in the Fennart title our title is really because we got two of them back to back Get a good job Peterson to come home to not at all man.

01:07:13.681 --> 01:07:14.762
[SPEAKER_01]: He's easy.

01:07:14.782 --> 01:07:20.307
[SPEAKER_00]: He gets plummeted by the year to All right, let's let's end this discussion.

01:07:20.487 --> 01:07:22.229
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's end it with this question.

01:07:22.309 --> 01:07:27.013
[SPEAKER_00]: So there there are still free agency is very early on

01:07:27.550 --> 01:07:30.919
[SPEAKER_00]: Who are the two perfect players, money be damned?

01:07:31.180 --> 01:07:40.344
[SPEAKER_00]: One picture and one hitter that the Dodgers can add where you would be like, oh my gosh, this is like, this is like a Christmas present for me.

01:07:41.466 --> 01:07:43.973
[SPEAKER_01]: The us and Tucker, and we already got one.

01:07:44.054 --> 01:07:47.297
[SPEAKER_01]: So Diaz is, Diaz would be the guy because of the Tanner Scott.

01:07:47.317 --> 01:07:57.727
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, because of the Tanner Scott nightmare that that only Dodger fans understand, I mean, when this guy was coming in, there was there was heart attacks, you know, all over the city of LA.

01:07:58.488 --> 01:08:05.014
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and yeah, and to piggyback on that, so Andrew Friedman, he did make a lot of mistakes.

01:08:05.034 --> 01:08:05.555
[SPEAKER_01]: Think about it.

01:08:05.595 --> 01:08:08.077
[SPEAKER_01]: He brought in Kirby Yates complete flop.

01:08:08.097 --> 01:08:11.901
[SPEAKER_01]: He brought in Tanner Scott 72 million for four years.

01:08:11.881 --> 01:08:34.463
[SPEAKER_01]: big investment and nobody, the people, the people that people don't understand about relievers is that you never see a reliever, they are the players that you see move around a lot, you know, like like around his Chapman, great ball player possibly Hall of Fame level ball player reliever and he's been like to 10 teams at this point because relievers are so unpredictable.

01:08:34.443 --> 01:08:38.751
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they could have a great season one year, they could have a bad season the next.

01:08:38.771 --> 01:08:40.914
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just the life-of-relief picture.

01:08:41.375 --> 01:08:42.858
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the reason why they're not starters.

01:08:43.679 --> 01:08:53.256
[SPEAKER_01]: So to invest 72 millioners on Tanner Scott, and there's a rumor that the only reason why Tanner Scott got to Mill was because he owned, uh, or Tony, and the plans.

01:08:53.276 --> 01:08:54.939
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he wanted Tony facing him.

01:08:55.340 --> 01:08:57.103
[SPEAKER_01]: So then they just paid him to join the team.

01:08:57.844 --> 01:08:58.746
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh,

01:08:58.726 --> 01:09:01.930
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he was someone that was a complete flop.

01:09:02.650 --> 01:09:08.256
[SPEAKER_01]: I would talk about microconfort of 17 millions for a year and a complete flop.

01:09:09.177 --> 01:09:15.264
[SPEAKER_01]: There was a lot of mistakes that were done, but we had the guns and the horses to kind of make up for that, which a lot of teams don't, right?

01:09:15.304 --> 01:09:18.127
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of teams, they're only a four-one flop.

01:09:18.207 --> 01:09:19.108
[SPEAKER_01]: We had three.

01:09:19.929 --> 01:09:25.035
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, it was, it's interesting to think about it that way.

01:09:25.055 --> 01:09:26.056
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so answer your question.

01:09:26.076 --> 01:09:27.838
[SPEAKER_01]: It would be deers and Tucker.

01:09:27.818 --> 01:09:28.780
[SPEAKER_01]: We already got deas.

01:09:29.762 --> 01:09:33.350
[SPEAKER_01]: If we get Tucker, the whole baseball world is going to collapse on us, I think.

01:09:33.370 --> 01:09:35.133
[SPEAKER_00]: I think so too.

01:09:36.136 --> 01:09:38.861
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tucker the same way for any hitter.

01:09:39.423 --> 01:09:42.469
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he would actually fix.

01:09:43.276 --> 01:10:12.760
[SPEAKER_00]: offensively and defensively that the problems that the giants have, whether, I mean, now I'm seeing 460 million as the prediction for what he gets, that knocks the giants out of it, but for a picture perspective, the guy that I want is Framber Valdez, because he's like the left-handed version of Logan Webb, and there was that video last year of him purposely crossing

01:10:12.993 --> 01:10:18.281
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you remember seeing that, but he like, he, he's not, of course, I said, yeah, he'd for it.

01:10:18.721 --> 01:10:36.047
[SPEAKER_00]: And so like there's like this, there's, you know, there's a subset of fans were like, no, no, no, they can't have a guy like that because, you know, who, you know, you don't want him to, you know, he, he's, there's a trust thing and catcher can't trust him and catchers are going to be in the back of their mind thinking that he's going to screw me up purposely to hurt me.

01:10:36.027 --> 01:10:40.231
[SPEAKER_00]: And so maybe maybe they you take a few dollars off of him, but those are the two guys.

01:10:40.291 --> 01:10:45.056
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think a giant skit any of them, but you got your number one on the pitching side.

01:10:45.097 --> 01:10:47.059
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was nice for you.

01:10:47.779 --> 01:10:52.464
[SPEAKER_00]: And the giants are going to have to do some bullpen stuff too, because they have zero closers right now.

01:10:52.865 --> 01:10:58.210
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't even have a guy that I would be comfortable putting in the eighth inning right now.

01:10:58.230 --> 01:10:59.291
[SPEAKER_00]: So they got some work to do.

01:11:01.334 --> 01:11:05.578
[SPEAKER_01]: So so the kid that

01:11:06.402 --> 01:11:09.086
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, maybe he could come back towards the leader in.

01:11:09.927 --> 01:11:13.632
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, because you got Tommy John is what you were saying, because you didn't specify on the injury.

01:11:13.692 --> 01:11:14.053
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry.

01:11:14.113 --> 01:11:16.516
[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I should just assume Tommy John, okay.

01:11:16.556 --> 01:11:17.257
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's a year.

01:11:17.277 --> 01:11:17.978
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a year out.

01:11:18.019 --> 01:11:18.639
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a year off.

01:11:18.860 --> 01:11:19.080
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:11:19.581 --> 01:11:19.801
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:11:20.883 --> 01:11:21.343
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, man.

01:11:21.403 --> 01:11:24.528
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, I know we have been talking about doing this.

01:11:24.588 --> 01:11:26.270
[SPEAKER_00]: And glad we're finally able to do it.

01:11:26.290 --> 01:11:32.920
[SPEAKER_00]: I know we've got to do something else on the other, the other website for the observed this to end our in 1984.

01:11:33.260 --> 01:11:34.502
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is fun.

01:11:35.765 --> 01:11:49.570
[SPEAKER_00]: This is fun and we will chime in again, maybe around the, you know, when we should talk, I don't know how much world baseball classic you're going to watch, but I love the world baseball classic, maybe we chit chat around that time again.

01:11:50.511 --> 01:11:51.994
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, see, because I don't want to tiny in it.

01:11:52.835 --> 01:11:59.427
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's yeah, he's going to play, but not only is he wants to play, but management does not want to play.

01:11:59.525 --> 01:12:00.306
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

01:12:00.326 --> 01:12:01.307
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine.

01:12:01.387 --> 01:12:03.689
[SPEAKER_00]: But what about Yamamoto and Suzuki?

01:12:04.811 --> 01:12:13.480
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know about them, but they've been, it's not, it's not rumors or scuttle, but Roberts has said to the media, I don't want this guy playing in the World Baseball Classic.

01:12:13.500 --> 01:12:17.104
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's an open secret that that management does not want him to play.

01:12:17.544 --> 01:12:19.587
[SPEAKER_01]: As far as Yamamoto, I wouldn't want Yamamoto to play.

01:12:19.607 --> 01:12:23.070
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he, damn, you're, I don't know, I just don't want that about his arm.

01:12:23.190 --> 01:12:24.672
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that concerns me.

01:12:24.652 --> 01:12:31.661
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I know he's got those wacky stretches and he doesn't lift weights and he's got the whole thing that I'm sure other players are going to start doing from now on.

01:12:32.402 --> 01:12:35.546
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I wouldn't be comfortable with him.

01:12:35.606 --> 01:12:38.390
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want anybody to in my daughter team to play in the WBC.

01:12:38.430 --> 01:12:45.119
[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to have be at full power for for the for the for the season, but we'll Smith's already going to be in team USA.

01:12:45.139 --> 01:12:46.040
[SPEAKER_01]: They already announced that.

01:12:46.100 --> 01:12:47.402
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's.

01:12:47.770 --> 01:12:50.232
[SPEAKER_00]: It's such an awesome series though, I love it.

01:12:51.193 --> 01:12:52.915
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that's gonna be for here.

01:12:52.935 --> 01:12:59.822
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to thank Draven for hanging out and he's in a good mood these days because of his baseball team.

01:12:59.962 --> 01:13:07.129
[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope next year he's in not as good as a mood, but we'll see, but all right.

01:13:09.592 --> 01:13:10.293
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

01:13:10.373 --> 01:13:15.718
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Draven, I am double G. We will see you when we see you peace out.