49ers Draft Preview: Who Will the 49ers Draft? | We Want Winners

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is draft week for the 49ers and Rod and I are back to talk about what we think or maybe what we hope will happen with this draft and what positions the 49ers need to fill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing I'm pretty sure about is they're not going to draft an offensive lineman in the first round.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is just not what they do, but they have a type when it comes to some of these picks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll dig through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But first of all, Rod, what's been going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't chatted in a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, my life is pretty much the same every day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I go to dialysis, I do my thing and then I work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's been, and then I get on the internet and argue a 49er fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's just, that's another net.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How you've been busy, I know at least on the, even on the BSPS, I do been busy, but how's everything else going?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything is good, busy is definitely happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have a business trip this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll be gone in Dallas, Texas of all places.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm glad that we can actually get this done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I leave on Tuesday and I'll be back on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this is something that I'm glad the schedule fell as it did so we could talk about this because I wanted to make sure that we could do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But okay, so,

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[SPEAKER_00]: 49ers as it stands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is without any trades that may happen between now and the draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've picked 27 pick 58 pick a 127 133 138 139.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they don't have any picks in rounds 5 through

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't imagine they don't trade back with some of those fourth rounders to actually pick on on the last day, but that's what it looks like as it is now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I were to ask you, you know, for a first round and a second round pick 27 and 50 hits you're getting two players in the top 60 unless you trade back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What positions would you like to see them fill with those two picks?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there one or two positions that you believe are super duper important this year and more important than other positions where they need to really lock these picks in on those positions?

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[SPEAKER_01]: structurally broken positions that they could address.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could and I believe you should address our left guard and free safety.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did in the board stacks up in such a way that there are two players, well, there's three players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was real high on the guard from Iowa, I mean, from Oregon, Prignan, not the hurt one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Isaiah World.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a good one too, but he tours ACLs and I wouldn't mind taking him later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But pregnant is the player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's all American.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a super scheme fit for what the 49ers do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only problem with him is that he's 25.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, he's that's just it's really all here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, when you think about it, when he comes do for his second contract, he'll be 30.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so where I settle, again, this is all with the knowledge of what you said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They drafted one offensive linemen in the first round in the, um, Lent Shanahan regime, machine, and that was, um, a glitchy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just something, it's not something they do and that I doubt they would take a tackle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about who I think they'll take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but my pick would be the guard out of Texas A&M

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[SPEAKER_01]: Beyond, I, it's bison owners, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how to pronounce it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, but on this, yes, but that sounds right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like bison, but then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then tear something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been watching him play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is aggressive and he's got good hands and he's 21 years old and he's got a lot of upside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think he's gonna be a good player for 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the nine was taking, but that's who I would draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then my 58 would be free safety.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, that is the glaring weakness in that safety room is they've got two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Mustafa is a can be a really good box safety.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He could be one of the best in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He could figure out how to tackle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he could be one of the best and then Brown is a nice back up, but nobody in that room can cover.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they need a true free safety.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would take, um, Kumari Ranzi out of USC who is not as strong a box safety and people talk a lot about in the scouting community about him and his performance in the run game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's just lazy because

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the tape that everybody talks about when they talk about him and his weakness in the run game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he got ran all over by love and um...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trace versus Notre Dame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, he looked bad in that game, but it was loving price.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they take those two backs could legitimately both be first round picks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that was a bad game for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But other than that, number one, he's great in coverage, which is what the 49ers need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think he's as bad against the run as the Notre Dame tape might have made him look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's highly unlikely that they're going to take a guard if they take a lime in it all that they will take a guard in the first round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a chance they have taken safety in the second round before, but I'm not expecting to hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not expecting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe in the late rounds, I might get one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We might be in alignment on one, but those are my first two picks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Chase Basantis or Bison Tiss, however you pronounce that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: his draft book, essentially.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he has him going, uh, his grade is, uh, first and first second round.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, so this guy is, um, this is, this is a Dane's takeaway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Basantus is a burly sought off blocker with the body quickness and core strength to get the upper hand in all phases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He projects as an eventual NFL starter in his traits that will speak to both zone and power schemes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the ringer has their own draft board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have him a little bit lower.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In their big board, they have him as the 67th pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the big board doesn't take into account need.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just takes into account how they rank all of the players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as we're kind of talking about here, the 49ers have a type.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Kyle

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it seems like they are just going to continually take shot after shot after shot on red rushers if they can on defensive linemen and on wide receivers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like they feel that those specific those specific positions are really the the valuable positions to take shots at at some of these first round players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand it like I've been listening to the the wringer draft podcast and I listen I've listened to kind of them explain how some of these positions get teared and so for the 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It does seem like, you know, they're going, if possible, if there's a wide receiver that they appreciate and that they really value in that spot, that seems to be where a lot of these, a lot of the draft folks are having them take, so you hear something like a Denzel Boston, and it looks like KC Concepts, the own who is mocked to them very early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: his stock is going up and he's probably not going to be available by the time they pick, but what do you think about kind of the Niners, really judging some of these positions as higher value positions to take flyers in the first round over others?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get it if you think that the players have a higher upside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, there's a player that we're not going to be able to even sniff like Jordan Tyson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's had injury concerns, but the talent says that he could be

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the best players in this draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we were talking about that type of player, it makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know that he's got injury concerns, but the upside is more, we talk about those positions

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[SPEAKER_01]: The benefit from, if you hit on that pick, it outside is, you know, the risk that you're taking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you, it's a, um, it's a risk with the word is commissarist with the risk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you just don't, and I agree, if you want to look at it through that lens, a guard is just not, you're not going to get the bang for your buck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in terms of you know and outsize return.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But my thought is I think from what I've seen from this dude he's young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's aggressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean again he's young he's 21 years old this guy if you hit that pick he could you could be settling you could be feeling that position for 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how I look at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying I don't ever think he'll be in all pro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when you're picking at 27, that change is the most of it, you're not really gonna find all pro level players at that point in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're really lucky if you do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was, I'm about number one about scheme fit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it, too, is this guy going to sign a second contract with us?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that guy clips both those boxes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, the biggest weakness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the offense, I think last year was Spencer Burford and left garden.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you could settle that position and just get to a point where you don't even have to worry about that anymore for the next five years, I think you do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not high on any of these receivers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think when I saw this offseason when I saw what they were doing, I just assumed that they like me saw this draft class and I like what we can just kick this down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can keep this can down the road another year filling in with Evans and Kurt and then we come back to it next year where, you know, it's, you know, we never know a year from now what is going to look like, but it's strafing up to be one of the best wire receiver drafts and recent memory, not only at the top, but depth wise and there are a lot of players that are going to have a lot of players that are going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of players going to have a lot of

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[SPEAKER_01]: project and look like 49 or type players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is what I thought they were going to do but like you say, you see Cooper being drafted here, everybody was talking, but you know those national guys, so a lot of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, you, I don't know if you've been listening, there's been a whole lot of talk about like, Kate and Proctor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just lazy thinking, Trent Williams, you know, is going for what he's going through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They do need a young tackle, but that dude is like completely wrong for this system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got 360 pounds and he's closer to 380 then he is 360.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're telling me, he's going to be your Jones team tackle for the next five to seven years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it doesn't make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you see that a lot where you talk about the types of players that they project here without any notion or thought to how they fit into what it is they do here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like that was what I didn't understand about concept of young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not a blocker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he's like a rich man's Ray Ray McCloud, which is fine, but at 27, really is that what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, and again, I see in certain systems where he could

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, pop off and again, I just don't see, I don't see the ceiling with you know, he could be a good player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't and I don't doubt that he'll be a fine player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's ever going to make a probe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think I see him more of a slot gadget type guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then I see him being, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I didn't even be like even West welker or somebody like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and all of this is projection, but I just don't see him being like a real difference maker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who is your favorite wide receiver in this draft?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, from the 49er lens, I don't really like any of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you were to put a gun in my hand said if I had to take one of them,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's a sturdy guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He clearly, he's a playmaker and in the biggest moments in his college career at least, he was the guy that Mendoza went to to make big plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I like that treat, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: None of them really fit with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This system has a very, very specific set of skills for the receivers that they need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And none of them really fit what it is that we need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what you see what we did in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: None of those guys are really shenanigans system type guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they have traits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can kind of money ball the traits together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to like put a room together, but if you're talking about when I think of draft in a guy, I'm thinking about, we're going to bring this guy in and he's going to be able to do a job and we're going to be able to have him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking long-term the next five to seven years is what I would be thinking and I just don't see any of these guys that can do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I see guys that have certain traits like Boston,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's a big guy, but he's, I, I'm fundamentally like, kind of like Evans, he's not Mike Evans, Mike Evans at his peak was another level, but basically he is like a big contestic catch guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to get my separation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to try to play receiver like a powerful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to try to box guys out and he's going to just try to be a contestic catch guy, which I guess is fine, but you would like a guy who

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've been talking about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed like for the past five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would like to guy who is going to extend the field and he's going to be a vertical threat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That guy really doesn't exist in the form that we need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have any use for five

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[SPEAKER_01]: guided runs, you know, we don't have a use Xavier word.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He really doesn't have any role with the 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just he's not going to block.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when is he going to be on the field to stress the field?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is just so those type of burners at we've

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[SPEAKER_01]: nowhere in shenanigans history can you point to that guy the guy that who is just the small jitter bug type fast receiver who just runs go routes because hell can we could do that job I mean if that's all we're looking for um so it's just it's a mess um at receiver but

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[SPEAKER_01]: in projecting and looking forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of like true ex receivers in next year's drafts at all levels.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, we're not bad enough that we're talking about Ryan Williams or Smith from Ohio State at that high at the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But all levels first round

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[SPEAKER_01]: day two, day three all through their next year is going to be a really, really deep, why I received her draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like, but we thought everybody thought that this year was going to be a great quarterback draft and you just never know until we get there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just don't, I wouldn't see a guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know people have been projected to take in a while receiver in the first or second round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope they don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there are some guys that, you know, if they want to wait today, three, to take some shots at them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, you get, you get to the fourth round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to take some dark throws, then that's the time to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think you need, I believe, that those first, like you say, in those first 60 picks,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to come away with two players, two guys who were going to play, you know, five, six hundred snaps for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You really can't afford to, I don't believe you can really afford to be taken, developmental picks and richer guys that high in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Shenahan wouldn't play him anyways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they're just going to be the doghouse immediately, you know what it's hilarious is you were talking about the Indiana wide receiver being your favorite one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there offensive coordinators name is Mike Shanahan, not the Mike Shanahan that we know and love it the other Mike Shanahan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, not Mike Shanahan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He played in the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I found nice for other hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that, but Cooper is Matt Barrow's is draft crush.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he does a draft crush every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And usually it's like a guy that, you know, maybe you'd never heard of, but he's really high on, on Cooper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: other position that the Niners are seemingly always interested in bringing in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The edge is there anybody in that position that you think would be available to be available somewhere that they could either pick or that they could kind of trade up or down to get in this your

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[SPEAKER_01]: to get an edge with a caveat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that all of the top guys out here, guys that we would have a chance at, like we're not talking about Ruben Bane, we're not talking about David Bailey, we're not talking about our real race.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys, as I've been jokingly saying, those guys will be at their draft party dinner before the 49ers get on the clock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you think Bane, you think Bane's,

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[SPEAKER_00]: stock drops after that report came out about probably breaching a couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that it's going to drop, but I think the talent is just too much for him to drop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He might drop in a way that Jalen Carter drop where he went from being top three to 11 or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I don't think that he drops enough to where he's even a real serious consideration for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just that position and his skill about his ability was just too in demand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am analog, you know, David Carter is with his exact same thing, you know, vehicular manslaughter in all that went into that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I just don't think he drops that far, but there are several guys who are situational past wrestlers who I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be, you know, that's what we need because my kill Williams is going to be a good first and second down runs it setting run stopping edge so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: we don't need that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Most of the other guys that you talk about post top 15, they're all that same kind of guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need that we need a edge rush, a corner bender, a guy who is going to threaten the edge and you know that tackles have to worry about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are several of those guys

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[SPEAKER_01]: the highest being cat catches how from Ohio State.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard him projected at 27 which I just think is kind of high for him that you know it's hard to try to do that if that if he is your number one guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ideally what you'd be able to do is trade out of the first round if you decide that this is a guy we want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ideally, you'd be able to trade it back into the second round and get him and pick up another pick because of not only is he not really valued that high, but the position dictates you're going to be your fifth year extension is going to be based on his first round at a premium position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you get to renegotiating for that second contract, if you if it go sideways, you're going to be talking about franchise tag or transition tag at a premium position at edge like last year, I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: the I don't know if it's last year or this year coming up the franchise tag number for ages like twenty six million dollars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just it's one of those positions that if you're taking a guy who you know is not going to be a three-down edge, that's not how the franchise tag works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is an edge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if he is a Bryce Huff

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he'd be a better player than Bryce Huff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I see him as like an Elvis Doomerville situation or pastor, which Elvis Doomer will make a pro bowl as a situational pastor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you've got a good guy, a guy who was good at that position, it can be extremely valuable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you have to, you know, I talk about often right player right pick because there are a lot of times you can get the right player but it skews the value if you take them in the wrong place and I think I just think 27 will be the wrong place for that particular player but he's probably not going to be there 58.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you were going to take him, you'd either have to bite the bullet, take him at 27 and just know that you kind of overpaid or hope that you can, you know, and that's the other thing we talk about online all the time, but I'll just trade back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, you have to find somebody who's willing to trade back with you, and then there's always if you got a specific player in mind, then you always you're sitting there with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on pins and needles, we're hoping that somebody is taking my head of you or somebody is in jump up over you, and because that, you know, this is...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Another tangent I have is, you know, we talk about these interviews and who are interested in who I don't believe any of that because these guys aren't telling each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who it is that they're interested in the guys that they like and I don't believe any of that stuff that gets out in the media for just that reason is that if you

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[SPEAKER_01]: If your draft board is common knowledge, then people can, um, maneuver, likewise, well, I need to get to this for that spot because they know, I know they want him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is where I need to be or if I'm here, I know I'm good, you know, so all those games are being played.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I like, you know, I like, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's Malachi, I just know last name Lawrence is another one who is a situational past, who would be good for them, Romelo height, they brought him in, he would be a guy that I would think he would throw a dart for at in the fourth round if you don't get one earlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think there are some places that they can fill that position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think you should do it in the first pick, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I study it like you do that is a place where they like to take edges at in their first round pick or first pick trick trick Jackson wasn't a first rounder, but he was their first pick in that draft and so that it wouldn't shot me and I wouldn't hate that pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like to play or I like catches how.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, you know, if you could, you would try to like to get some, you know, get him at the right price.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you might have to overpay and that's like, you know, that's fine too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you, if you really think he's the best player at that position, if you were to guess based on your knowledge of Shanahan and Lynch,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there is there somebody in that first round that has been projected to the Niners are close to to being projected to the Niners that you think that they would reach for Because you know You mentioned you you like the guard best What you know you'd probably

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[SPEAKER_00]: not not bet very very much money on on them taking that person maybe actually in the second round you did it could happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But is there a player that that you think that they would actually take that is that is being mocked to them?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the more I hear it and I hear the logic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, which I don't argue logic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they could take Caleb Lomo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that

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[SPEAKER_01]: could happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've only taken, we'll get McClunchy there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But his skillset really does fit this system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the need to, you know, figure out, transfer successor, it's real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only problem is this is supposed to be a contending team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what you're telling me is it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't know he didn't have any value at guard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what you're telling me is that your first round pick is not going to provide you anything, but insurance and future value for this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think that the way that this team is constructed, they really don't have the ability to take rich to make rich or picks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they need to do something about the trans situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that solving that situation this year involves him not being on the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if he's going to be on the team, whoever you pick there is not to beat him out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a zero and I just don't think

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[SPEAKER_01]: This team as currently constructed, that it makes sense to take a zero at your first round pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, but I could, the talent is enticing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could, I could see how Lynch could get there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see how

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[SPEAKER_01]: everything you would want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And unlike the kid from Ohio, um, Arizona state, who is a physical freak, but he's on the playing football for four years, which he's a lot more risky than the Caleb kid is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I have no doubt that Loma was going to be a good player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I just think it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: the right player at the wrong time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when is there ever a right time to try to find a successor to Trent Williams?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you argue that with me, I can't, I don't have a, I can't really argue with the logic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think when you like you said, when you look at what Lynch would do, I just don't know if he would do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if he came to that conclusion, that's not a pick I would make, but it's I wouldn't call it a mistake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think it would it would be disappointing, but not a mistake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's that's a tricky one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I spent a lot of time when you sent the outline thinking about who.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, as I got my list of who I would take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But who did I think he would take?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was the only one I could come up with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to find or again, I think how is a spot that he could do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could take cast as how was the other one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, again, it's one of those things where do you take a past rush specialist at 27?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't, but if you really believe that he can be that dude, that is one of those physicians where

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[SPEAKER_01]: As you did, you said in the outline that with you were talking about the shows you were listening to that's one of those positions that if you're going to reach it could be you know that that reach that pick to pay off and between the two I would take the edge before I would take the tackle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Brogler is take away with Howell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Howell is the, he's from Texas, say, NM.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said that Howell needs to expand the consistency of his impact beyond winning as a high side rusher, but his athletic twitch,

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[SPEAKER_00]: play speed and violent demeanor make for the type of package you bet on at the position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At worse, he should be a designated past pressure with the ceiling of a versatile NFL starter, like Hassan Reddick, who can be moved around the front.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that sounds a little bit more like what you would want versus having another micro Williams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there are guys in front of howell

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[SPEAKER_00]: right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then how old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look at what that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's exactly what the 49ers need.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those those things that would be considered weaknesses for other teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've got plenty of guys who can set the edge and play the run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need him to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What we do need, what we don't have, is anybody who can win on high-side Russia's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If that's all he ever is, the way this room is currently constructed, I don't want to say forever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for the next two or three years, if that's all, if that was what his role was with this team, that would be perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that is just what the doctor would order.

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[SPEAKER_00]: outside of the 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who are your favorite players in this draft?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's being the way that the draft is being presented is that it's not a great draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have the star quality of drafts prior.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said next year, everyone thinks it's going to be like one of the all timers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But who who out there in this draft, or you kind of excited to track,

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[SPEAKER_01]: two players really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love Jeremiah love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he has what it takes to be one of those transcended backs kind of like, you know, I'm not going to compare anybody to McCaffrey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess it might be exactly just to compare anybody to be John at this point, but I think that, you know, he could be that kind of back because he, he gives you value.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the past game as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he could easily be a Gibbs or a Robinson type player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other guy is on sunny styles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got Freya Warner written all over him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is just a playmaker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing that you hear about sunny styles that everybody talks about is like, what a good guy is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing as a fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: doing these evaluations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the big part that we don't get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't get to meet these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't get to go to dinner or go to top golf and just hang with them to see what kind of people they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can see when you turn on the tape and you see this guy has all the talent,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You meet him and he is a solid dude and smart guy and has his head on straight for a young man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's I could see where you could, that that could, how that colors a draft board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's important, it is in it's something that I'm very aware of at all times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We signed that guard from Miami, Robert Jones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you look at the tape, he's basically ran the same offense that we run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was horrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I don't know is what kind of relationship he had with McDonald's, McDonald's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe he's a great guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he knows the system and was hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know he had had, he was coming off a broken neck last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess you take a fire at that guy, but you know, I was thinking when I look when I was watching it, tell him like, this guy is terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why would you sign him?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I often say this is a relationship business and you just don't know what kind of person he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're, if he's a good person, it's somebody that may Daniel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, kind of with the bat for that those type of things I could see were those kind of things go a long way and I could see where these draft meetings and these in prompt two meetings kid could be the difference between you taking a guy not taking a guy, you know, because that again, it's a the interpersonal part of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's important, you know, they obviously, what they are as players should be the most important thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, it's a workplace, ultimately, and you don't want to have a, you know, you don't want to have a locker room for the assholes, even if they're talented assholes, you know, you have to have a bet you have to

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think good teams do in how the composition and how this guy fits in to busy what I would hope to think that they think a 49er is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy because Styles is six foot five and was playing safety and then he just kind of grew out grew and they see him as a linebacker who's going to be able to do a lot of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, the freaky athlete, you don't hear the freaky athlete that often in that position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They say the

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[SPEAKER_01]: They that he really loves sunny styles, but the consensus on them is that around their team the writers say they think they're going to take love, but they wouldn't be shocked if they took styles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what do they have?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have the fourth pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Raiders and our locked in at Mendoza, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who are the jets going to get at too?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're saying it's going to be either

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is a, I remember when I was a kid, you know, you know, back when when we were younger, the draft experts in such it was like, you know, yet some some weekly magazines like sports illustrated would have like a draft thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there were some monthly magazines too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you had like sport magazine or inside support.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they would do their draft predictions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as you know, just based on what we know about the draft today, like two months ago's mock draft is so outdated by the time draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I remember I was, I'll be reading like the sport magazine mock draft and then the draft comes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now David Klingler didn't get drafted in the with the first pick, but we have so many great resources to keep us up to speed on this stuff now or then as it, I say, as it progressed, those publications,

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[SPEAKER_01]: those would go to print two or three months before the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that data was always kind of skewed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's it's it's a completely different world where we live and now where we are we we've got all the information and the data that those these draft guys are giving us is like to the minute and it changes like if you look at

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's the other guy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Make shades, first mock to the last mock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, um, the vastly different, you know, because you're talking about, you know, those first drafts, those first mock drafts are some of them happen, you know, while the season is still going and you got senior bow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you've got the combine, you've got the protease.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so by the time we get to their last mocks, so much, we've got so much more information about these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And um, you know, they are getting information from the teams, which I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know if I was a media guy and like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anybody associated with the 49ers we give in me information.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I wouldn't believe anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They told me because they just they have shown me as a fan of the team that They are so anti any kind of information leaking that if they're leaking any kind of information That you there's a reason that they're leaking and it is probably not transparency It is probably you know a

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[SPEAKER_01]: tactic or a diversion, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, it's just, it's a wild process.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're, we're both old enough to remember, you know, you know, male cipher was like, that was, this is like an industry that he basically created, you know, the draft expert, I remember listening back in the ESPN radio days,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chuck Wilson and Tony Bruno.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was like it was just it was always, you know, it was just cool to to hear somebody who was so knowledgeable about, you know, something that was so neat at the time, so niche and obscure the NFL draft and the thought to somebody could be like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: could make their living because back in the day, that's what he was doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was making the living on his newsletters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you were talking about in his wife, Kim, in the basement, in Baltimore, you know, cranking out newsletters and selling them and, you know, that

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he built that into where, you know, he is when you, you know, there are a lot more people in that space and a lot of good people in that space.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still the godfather of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you think of, come out draft or the big board, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting because when you are doing the projections like milk hyper is getting information from a bunch of different relationships that he's cultivated to see who's going to be high there's you know lots lots of things and

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[SPEAKER_00]: He himself when he puts together his board like he may think that, you know, this player is going to get drafted in front of this player, but I think this player who's going to be drafted after is actually going to have a better career.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He may think that, but, you know, he's not going to go well, you know, men doza, you know, he's he's the the leader of the cubies in a, you know, maybe not so great quarterback draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's he's not gonna gonna go well on my big board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Men doza is like 20th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So thus I'm going to predict that he's going to be the 20th pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't look at it though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's projecting when he think that teams are going to do so that that it's it's interesting to look at it that way because it's not what it's it's what he thinks that where he thinks the teams are going and this just happened because the WMBA just had their draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we had a couple of guys on to talk some WMB draft experts on Pothalla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And before the draft started, we did a little bit of a preview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And for the longest time, the mocks were saying two players were kind of at the top.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them was an international player named Awafam Thiam.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the second player was AZ foot out of Yukon, and so they were like kind of one, two, one, two, throughout from the beginning until now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we got like three days before the draft, and the latest mock had actually neither of them as the number one pick, and it was like Olivia Miles was all of sudden the number one pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, okay,

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[SPEAKER_00]: None of these players changed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't really work out for any of these teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The WMBA doesn't have the same draft stuff that the NFL or the NBA does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what changed is the information that goes out to these reporters from their sources.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now as it turns out,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Azifud became the number one pick in our fan was two and Olivia Miles was three, but I'm not I don't really care who picks who what I'm fascinated by is the process in which the reporters are getting this information and then saying I think the team is going to choose X like that's a that's an interesting thing because as a reporter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, if you were to compare your knowledge of X's and O's with Matt Barrows, it's probably pretty comparable, like you do your homework.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Matt Barrows does his homework.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The difference is that Matt Barrows has a bunch of sources being a reporter and you're getting your information in different ways, but it's just the idea of what a mock draft actually is that is that is the

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the the draft will happen this weekend and maybe I don't know what your schedule is like, but maybe next Sunday or something that we could kind of do a quick recap for for another episode of this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And before we get out of here, I'm actually interested in your thoughts on any of the players that the Niners had picked up since the last time we talked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I want to say we talked about everyone except for maybe Christian Kirk,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there were some smaller things that they did you talked about Robert Jones, you know what's really interesting is JJ is not

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[SPEAKER_00]: As far as I know, he's not been signed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Joanne Jennings is still out there as a player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the Niners have essentially already said they're good by us to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Christian Kurt comes in on a one year $6 million deal, which is more like a 2.78 guarantee deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, I guess he's just going to do some slot stuff, go to do some stuff in the special teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I feel like I've had him on my fantasy team many times and not, you know, not not really been super successful there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What, what is your take on that Christian Kirk?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if you get the Christian Kirk that played at the end of the season with

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[SPEAKER_01]: She can be productive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is, I just, again, it's within the same thing with both him and Evans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's no way that you could think to both of those guys play 12 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, each, they might think to a game's total.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably more than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just, with him,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just as with Evan, it's the last three years, two or three years, we're talking about injuries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like you can say the last year was some sort of anomaly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's played like, I forget what the exact number is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's played like 33 games, 32 or 33 games over the past three seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just how do you, which, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm no math league, but that's like 11 games a season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're cool with that, but I guess if you say that, you know, they're only paying him $2 million.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that would be fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if all you were to get was the 12 games, you would kind of hope that some of those games are in like January, you know, so I think he's a good player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I, I'm, I'm just not very hopeful when you get these guys who are over 30 and they have this injury history, you know, especially when it's like soft tissue stuff like Mike Mike Evans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like he's missed games the past three years and he's had hamstring problems for the past seven years that's not the kind of thing that gets better as you get older it's kind of like the kind of thing that you like in the NBA you have to kind of you have to load manage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that player and load managed around the hamstring injuries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, those type of, especially when it's like Evans, when it's both of them, it's not like, you can say it's just one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's one of those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, there's still the debate on whether how much of that is overwork, how much of that is hereditary, how much of it is gate, their MBA,

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[SPEAKER_01]: um um um trainers who do like this gate these gate studies that they think they can predict based on how you run which is not the most that's not the most ridiculous thing in the world that you know that you they can predict.

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[SPEAKER_01]: those type of calf and hamstring type injuries kind of based on how you run and apparently when he has his team has been on the cutting edge of that and they have trying to try to train him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was as he was coming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was trained on kind of how to run and

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[SPEAKER_01]: they were to change his date to try to, you know, eliminate those type of injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, it's, I think, Dancer question, I think Christian Kurt, when he plays, will be productive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can get open.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is the type of receiver that will do well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with Brock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that if I give them any credit, you know, I don't like the fact that they chose these dudes with this checkered injury history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I will say is both of those guys, those receivers, profile is guys that will play well with Brock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they both can

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in different ways, get themselves open and make themselves available to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he is the kind of guy who is accurate enough to define them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think from a talent standpoint,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how much Mike Evans still has in the tank, but in the same with, I just don't know how much he can play, but I think he showed particularly in that playoff game that he can still be an effective player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I don't know one more thing I wanted to discuss with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, if you don't mind, G winners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do I have a theory that, you know, once I started looking at the numbers, and, you know, they pay gray, green, a total of $6 million in a siding bonus, and then his cap hit his 3 million.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Drake, D winners is on the books for 3.7 this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There isn't a third linebacker in league that makes over $2 million.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You close to $3, close to $4 million for a third linebacker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your third linebacker makes more than your backup quarterback does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it doesn't really make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the fifth, sixth, seventh round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you've got Tatum Bethune and Nick Martin back there, making they make less combined, less than half combined in what winners makes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would be a trade candidate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would take calls, if somebody wanted to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: interest, you know, if they had interest in D winners, I would take those calls because I just don't see a path forward for him on this roster moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the, this is the last year of his contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see the 49ers don't have any sort of the only thing they've got matching

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could offer him a contract and then they have the ability to match him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no reason to believe that if Gray, Grimoah has any sort of season at all, that he'll be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's only 28 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that you're fourth year linebacker at a certain, and four, a year four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that guy making $3.7 million can't be he's supposed to be your present he's not supposed to still be your future at that point so if he's not your present which we've clearly established that he's they did not give drag green law $6 million to be d winners back up any

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[SPEAKER_01]: Drake Greenlaw is still Drake Greenlaw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, he only played half the games and that is a legitimate concern.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's no question that if they're both healthy, Drake Greenlaw is the better football player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now, do you just pay your third linebacker?

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[SPEAKER_01]: be resigned to the fact that he's just going to walk at the end of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the way the calculation works, you might get a compact, but you might not, or you might get a six round compact two years from now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a fourth round pick or a fifth round pick this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was explaining, you know, and if you look at it, you know, like the time value of money, you'd rather have $20 today than somebody to pay you back $20.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Two years from now, it's just the math says, give me that money now and I can do whatever I can do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather have this draft pick this year

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[SPEAKER_01]: think that my compensation is going to be a compact pick in 2020.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that you might not even get, because it's depending it's on the calculation of free ages in and free ages out and what he gets in a contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's quite possible that you don't get any kind of compensation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The parallel is Z-Shire, when he left, he ended up having to take a proven deal for like $2 million or something like that and they didn't get a copy at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for him and it's not the craziest thing in the world that that could happen with my man here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, what are your thoughts on do you just ride it out with him or do you consider trading him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I saw the, I think it was the Mayoco was saying that they may want to trade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a linebacker in the draft and the two linebackers that would be on the table would be winters in Bethume.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But for the reason that you stated why winters could be a little bit more favorable for them to trade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it makes sense to me if you look at it through that lens,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he's always going to...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you're a team looking for a little bit more of a splash, winters is a splashier player to trade, especially if he's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially if he is your second best linebacker, like then that it's the value to pay for him is there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think a team in a similar situation as the 49ers would necessarily want to trade for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I like I didn't do the homework to even look at some of the teams that might be attractive spots for him to to go, but you know this kind of comes back down to

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the like I don't imagine that the Niners is draft days going to end with those four picks in the fourth round.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I imagine those things get sprinkled around and maybe one goes it for for a next year pick or something, even though I think a lot of those teams are trying to stack those next year picks, but yeah, that that would be an interesting one to think about to think about another team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like for another team, it's like, okay, I could see where, I mean, I saw, you know, he started this year, he had a hundred tackles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at the draft for it, and I don't think that we're gonna, in the fifth round, I don't think we're gonna get a player as good as D winners in the fifth round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I would be willing to give the nine or as my fifth round pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: secure somebody who I don't I don't I don't think it's it's safe to say he he is I don't think there's any question at this point he is a starting

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[SPEAKER_01]: NFL linebacker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is definitely one of the best 64 linebackers in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's even a question of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, what, you know, you are going to have to pay him next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that kind of factors into the calculus, it were as if you pick up, you know, you take a player in the in the fifth round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to have to pay him for another four

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a coin flip as to whether or not he's going to be able to start for you week one where I don't think there's any questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you when they're there are a lot of teams in the week where D winters could start and you feel good about having him out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm not saying I would want to trade him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that I would have signed right because I think that D winners

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[SPEAKER_01]: can be a good player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not saying he's as good as Greg Greenlaw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it is clear that when Drake Greenlaw is out on the field, he is a difference maker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is still, last year he was a difference maker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just only played half the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that, and that's what it came down to when you read the papers in Denver, was that it wasn't that they were unhappy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with his production.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They loved his leadership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They loved his production.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just need a little bit more reliability.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They needed somebody who could be out there more than every other week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's fair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's that that is going to be something I think because of Mayo because reporting and he's, you know, he's one of the big 49er guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of people are going to be looking at that for to see what happens there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I saw like Grant Cone and others were talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is a talking point for for the week for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to try and be back next week and kind of recap what they do more than likely another Sunday night show that we'll put out Monday morning and also just want to mention because we've been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we've been doing this for for Valkyrie step, but the discord is there's a link to the discord in the YouTube video, there's a link to the discord in the podcast feed post.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Valkyrie's talk is going crazy in there right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People are so excited for their Valkyrie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd love to get more 49er stuff in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know

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[SPEAKER_00]: there are lots of places to talk for you that is like rod said earlier where he you know he he's got his spots but if you're looking for a spot if you listen to our stuff and you want to come hang out definitely join the discord uh... it's it's a lot of fun for me but uh... you know i like talking to

01:04:56.941 --> 01:05:13.650
[SPEAKER_00]: I like talking to Bay Area Sports fans, obviously, but I like talking to folks who are there to kind of talk game and talk shop and not just be cheerleaders and I think we've cultivated that on the Valkyrie side, so I'd love to do the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on the Niners side and you know, this the name of this show goes all the way back to a Facebook group or a pay actually a page that I created years ago and that's how Rod and I met so we'd love to kind of recreate something like that in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you are a Niners fan and you want to come chat there link is there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We also have a Giants podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talk Giants in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talk warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Valkyries as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And anything else, you can really chat about anything else you want in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So just want to throw that out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Rod, I will chat with you during the week on draft day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll figure out the time to meet up again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we can talk about the draft and we'll do that next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I'll do one more little plug, which is

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[SPEAKER_00]: The off-season dates for the Niners, I guess, as Monday, technically, is the first day of the off-season program or OTAs are scheduled

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[SPEAKER_00]: from late May through early June, the mandatory mini camp is June 9th, rookie mini camp opportunities may first the fourth or eighth through the 11th they need to figure that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then late July is when training camp begins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, the stuff comes sooner than later.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time, I'm like, oh, we have tons of time for the 49ers and then they're like, oh, these states kind of sneak up on you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, just to heads up for other possible times for Rod and I to get back, we don't go week to week during the off season, but we do pick and choose when there is news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, that isn't from here for Rod.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am WG, we will see you when we see you piece out.