The Tony Vitello Hire Surprises Baseball: Giants Manager Expectations w/ Jarrett Seidler | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Thompson to Clark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No Brad today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brad and I will probably record something later this week once the giants make the official announcement with Tony Vattello.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had to reach out to Jared's side there to get his opinion on the new hire when Buster Posey came along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I immediately asked Jared what he thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now that the giants went into the college ranks to find their next manager, I'm super interested to see what Jared and the baseball perspective mindset and the community of folks that he talks to is thinking about this this move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But before that, Jared, what is going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, not much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: World series time, which it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about to be prospectless time and baseball perspectives annual writing time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm about to enter my conversely when the baseball world slows down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's my busiest time of year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've spent a lot of the last week looking at Philadelphia Phillies prospects, which is very pretty thing to be doing, because there are

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of surprised, and I guess I should have been surprised, but I opened up the athletic app, and Jim Bowden's got his top 50 free agent list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, well, ready?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm serious is going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess the 28 other teams need something else to look for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fans, the fans for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as you probably expected, I was going to give you a buzz, like it's it's so funny because the only thing that I knew about, because I don't follow college baseball and I know for your job, you do follow college baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I first heard about this, it sounded to me kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, like this is what a like a what a football program would do our football team would do is you hire the guy who can kind of get every last inch out of his players because of the power of personality and his charisma and just his ability to get people to run through the wall as Drew Gilbert has stead in the past and yet I was like, is that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A zag is that where baseball managers are right now and obviously the brewers, you know, that they utilize that system though their manager has had big league experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This guy has never even played in the big leagues himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm just kind of wondering what are your circles talking about when it comes to this hiring by the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, a lot of people were really stunned that this actually happened, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: His name has been out there for vacancies for a little bit, just kind of lurking in the shadows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was on like the potential manager, higher lists, like the news outlets around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it had leaked that there was some interest between him and the giants, and this particular, but a few weeks ago, which obviously turned out to be based on what he, as best as I can tell, it seems like they fired Melvin with the intention of hiring

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's we've heard here, though, that Hundley was still poses first option, but Hundley is still is not interested in that whole, you know, the whole grit and grind of managing a team every day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, so it leaked within the last couple of days that a Pozian Vatello had met in September, while the giants were in Colorado, I believe,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that he interviewed very quickly after this is and within a day or two of them letting Melvin go and then I mean, it looked to me like there was some back and forth financially yet to make the decision whether actually wanted to leave Tennessee or not, which that that's

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[SPEAKER_01]: tough because you built that program into one of the top programs in a college baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to come right off the start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no clue how this is going to turn out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the most unique managerial hiring in

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know how long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The 20th, when we're so on with the white socks a few years ago was a really weird one just because of his age and how long he'd been out and that he had already been elected to the Hall of Fame and things like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he at least was a former Big League manager, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So managers come from very common backgrounds at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of them are former major league catchers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Almost all managers have done stints either in a team's front office as a majorly coach is a minor league manager often two of the three occasionally all three of the three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you kind of higher managers out of this pretty small pool of well regarded former players almost all position players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes minor league players, sometimes major league players, tends not to be a ton of major league stars as a few that were major league stars, but you know, your common manager is a Steven Volt, who was a big league catcher, and then became a coach for a couple of years, and had that reputation when he played as somebody that was already like a coach in the dugout, and then he became a manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dave Roberts was a journeyman, you know, speedy outfielder,

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of came up through the same pipeline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tony Vatello is the first manager in modern major league history because no experience in the pro game, I don't know if he never played professionally, he has never coached professionally, he has never managed professionally, he has never worked against front office, the only professional baseball experience he has is if he was a draft analyst on MLB network for a few years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, um, which is very good in that role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that might have been his, the the best thing that he did to get on people's radars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, look, Tennessee went from a program, Tennessee historically is a pretty good baseball program, but they have not been doing super great before they hired fatella and he turned them into the one of the best programs in the country.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm just talking about getting on to the.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From a big leagues from a major league baseball stamp, you're like, oh, that's to this guy is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And look, I mean, I don't, it did not come as a surprise to me that he had majorly managerial aspirations based on that, based on the personality, just kind of based on everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was not a surprise to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the surprise to me that 18 hired him straight from that point, but the flip side is there's so much money in that, like, are you really going, they had to give him the largest first-time manager salary, and majorly kissed started to lure him away from Tennessee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was not leaving Tennessee for a bench coach job, or a AAA managerial job, or a special assistant to the general manager, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and he, as far as we can tell, he came close to not leaving Tennessee

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be there like this seemed to be, you know, based on what he said based on the time frame of the back and forth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This seemed like it was relatively, you know, tough decision for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, because of that and also which we'll get into a little bit more as we talk to this out, because of the way in which he coach the Tennessee, which in some ways very much resembled a majorly baseball organization, but in other ways, just completely didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely have no idea how this is going to work out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The range of managerial hiring outcomes right now is between like slightly bad and moderately good, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't, you don't really see managers get in and just like completely implode anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the sorts of ways we did 15, 20, 25, 30 years ago, like when we were kids and like guys would just have like these epic meltdowns and just like be completely unable to manage

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you kind of have, you know, everybody kind of manages relatively the same way when you have bad managerial outcomes, it's more it's like Gabe Kapler where like things just kind of really didn't fit correctly, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you've lost the club house a little bit, but it's not like, from full, like, where like, majorly players are like going to the owner and saying fire this guy or else, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or, you know, everything that happened with like Billy Martin and the Yankees over and over again, or there's like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: your players are not wanting to fight your top stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not wanting to fight your best players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the manager position has been really thought into a middle management conduit type position, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that started happening about 20, 25 years ago, and it's basically happened across.

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[SPEAKER_01]: these big personalities, making huge, completely independent moves and establishing their own power bases within organizations anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just doesn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how the tell-all ran the Tennessee program, like he was in charge of everything, which is in part

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[SPEAKER_01]: just a difference in nature between college baseball and a major league team and major league front office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also was him too, like he was very hands-on, you know, he was one of the best recruiters in the nation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was very hands-on with the recruiting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was very hands-on with their analytics, with their player development, the types of things that a typical major league manager will have some input into will have some ability to mold,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, you're not, you're not doing hardcore play or evaluations and majorly manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's other people in the team structure that do that for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On top of that, um, he is a very charismatic, flamboyant personality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure you saw it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've seen clips going around the

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first thing he said, it is, you know, initial media availability of, you know, I guess you've heard that I'm here to babysit your Gilbert and you guys were exposed to your Gilbert in the last two months of last season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is very drool Gilbert, but like half of Tennessee's team acted like this, like they did, that got drafted in the first round this year, Andrew Fisher, who went to the Prours, who has like 95% the same personalities are Gilbert, like these guys, these guys,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I black all over the place, bat flips all over the place, you know, flamboyant, screaming, extremely intense, and he encouraged that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was something that, you know, in the context of college baseball, he thought that that type of stuff for those specific players that reacted that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He thought that caused them to become the best athletes and the best people that they could be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how that's going to work within a majorly clubhouse like I feel like graphic divers is going to like want to murder everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this is what Brad and I said, which is, you know, you have a three game losing streak and you know, divers is like really focused on the next AB and you know, he's got Vatelo in his ear and he's got Drew Gilbert nibbling on his sleeve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is he going to do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my answer is I genuinely don't know because nobody's run a baseball team like this So I don't so one I don't know if that's what ends up happening how those players are going to react And this is not me doing I don't know but I really know I just don't want to say it because I don't want to get up clicked on a pod from a podcast in two years and go and have something stupid said

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[SPEAKER_01]: I genuinely actually don't know, this is not a, don't know, but I also don't know if he's going to moderate that tone for professional baseball or he's going to be less of a, you know, kind of unique personality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He may end up being more like Pat Murphy who has taken and Pat Murphy's the closest cop because Pat Murphy was a pretty successful college coach and he had no experiences kind of bounce around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he was a more similar when he was at Arizona State back in the day before he got now for recruiting violation or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When he was at Arizona State, his reputation and personality was called as sort of what the title is now and he moderated that for the safer for being in pro baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: while still maintaining some of that type of, you know, charisma and positivity and, you know, kind of more of a college type atmosphere, a kind of middle bit, especially since he's joined growers and to work on their council for a few years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, that's also

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I, the tell is going straight there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all right, you know, the giants are very veteran heavy team, even with their sales, you know, they have, they have,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Raphael Devers is under contract forever, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what ever, the odds are very high that Raphael Devers is going to be a giant for longer than Tony Batellon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're not 100%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're like 60 or 70%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, William Domus is other contract for what six more years, you know, so you've got guys that he's going to have to establish a relationship with that are proven veteran major league star is that I just I do I could see him I could see his personality working on a Domus that a Domus is like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: super positive, great clubhouse guy, even when he's struggling, he's trying to find ways to motivate himself and his team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that, I think that would work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The concern is more on some of the vets that they've invested in who have had, they've played baseball in a very specific way for the last several years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, we thought the same thing about busters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is this about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I remembered, I was like, well, Buster did come up in 2010.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Giants had a very wacky baseball team in 2010.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Andrew Baggerly wrote a book and called them the Band of Misfits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, you know, when you have Brian Wilson and Tim Linsick come on the same team, like, you know, and you have the panda out there at third base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's going to be a little bit of goofiness going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Buster was,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buster may have been the best positional player by 2010 already, but that he was also a very young guy and kind of the leader in many ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's seen it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you go to like 12 and 14, then it leans a little bit more towards like Madison Bumgarner's personality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's there's been adjustment there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe what Buster thinks the team needs a little bit more to kind of like because if you if you look at the record sense, uh, capital or since in capital or second season, they've like been the same team for the last three years, like the exact same team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so to to kind of change that up, I could see why that would be attractive for Buster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But on the other hand, the

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[SPEAKER_00]: We had to deal with some Gabe Kapler weirdness as fans and when it was working, you're like, okay, like maybe this is maybe we just have to be okay with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brad and I always remember there's a game they're playing against, uh, think they're playing against the pod rays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Melvin and Matt Williams are in the other dugout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mauricio Dubon drag bunts in the giant to her up multiple runs and like the sixth inning or something, maybe they're up by like seven or eight runs something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Matt Williams and Bob Melvin are just so upset that Dubon is going to drag bun and you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Brad and I who are super old school like the way that we grew up playing is you don't do that out of respect and if you did like maybe you're going to get drilled when you when you hit and that we're talking about even in high school like that's kind of beating into you so we're trying to like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: figure out, okay, is this the new way?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this the right way?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then you turn to Kruko because Kruko's kind of the, you know, he's the old school guy and he's kind of okay with sort of like, okay, maybe like this is just what we have to be okay with as old school baseball guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when Kapler is gone, then it's just like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, maybe we maybe that wasn't necessarily something that we have to be okay with because we didn't believe in it and maybe Kapler's wrong in his mentality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, we've just had these like wide swaths of baseball philosophy over the last several years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I wonder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what the Vatelo way and what the Buster Posey way, the combination of the two is going to be like, like, are we going to have to make excuses for a certain personality and I've already told them I go, look, we already have Nick Bosa in this market, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We already just, we just allow him to be a

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know it is a very thoughtful place to play sports and so that's another thing that's on my mind is how does he fit in and because he's you know he's talking about Morgan Wallen and Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey and yeah and is how does that relate to when he comes to San Francisco?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh I feel like Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift really it's pretty much everywhere now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well he didn't call her Taylor Swift.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He called her Travis Kelsey's girlfriend that's fascinating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, I did not see that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's so coupler was like a new age like health guru type guy, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think he's the only major manager that's written blogs about like some tanning his balls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: right like that's like a very specific guy right uh and the title is not that he's he's more of you know he he might show up he's like son up at like a lot of like leadership conferences like he's that kind of guy

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[SPEAKER_00]: which kind of reminds me of like a texio like which is a high world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's on the edge of my world too, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those guys are as I roll as they come, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like can be yeah, you know, like, you know, but yeah, I was in a management training the other week and, you know, yeah, like he kind of gives that kind of more of that kind of vibe like the

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[SPEAKER_01]: CEO type coaching type structure, which is a lot more common in the NFL than it is in MLB.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's more common in the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as common in MLB these days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really wonder how that relationship between him and Pozy ends up developing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I assume and hope that they have talked about this over the last month that they've been talking about this job, how they envision that division of responsibilities, whether it is going to be like a typical MLB general manager coach coach manager relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which honestly MLB managers don't have a ton of input over major personnel and free agent decisions, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they might have a little bit on the margins, but not they're not usually the one saying, okay, I wanna go after Kyle Tucker this off season and not Boba Shett, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's not really the role of a manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At times in the distant past that hasn't been, but it hasn't been in 30 or 40 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really interested, but Vitalis, coming from a place where he was acting in that matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, some of his strongest strains were in recruiting evaluation type stuff that just does not have an equivalent for a major league manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, dating back to one who is an assistant coach, it is known as one of the best recruiters in the nation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, without knowing how that's going to turn out, and what how Buster Posi, because this is Buster Posi's first big hire, like he inherited Melvin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was involved with the team at the point that that happened, but I have genuinely no idea what Buster Posi envisions is a major league manager, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Assume it's a little bit more of an old school on composing role, just kind of based on how he's done the rest of his POBOing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We definitely need a better term for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: President Tink.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it used to be general managing, but now none of these guys are general managers anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a different title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like I

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they're going to leverage Vitello's recruiting skills into trying to track for agents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, or they're going to try and make this a, you know, he's the ultimate player's coach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the ultimate, help guys get better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the ultimate Rao Ra, please come play for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that going to work on anybody?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very close to Max Cerser, maybe it'll work on Max Cerser specifically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Max Cerser is 41 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maxures are kind of a maniac though does he need any help getting a getting hyped up for anything I know he did not in general, but you know he was here's Maxures there's pitching culture a million years ago Maxures were lower

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and, you know, he's kind of done it all in the college side too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got pitching college experiences, got hitting coach experience, he's got recruiting coordinator experience, like you kind of move through a variety of different roles, and this kind of baseball life or thing that we're prepared.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was kind of all preparing him to be a SEC college head coach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now he's an MLB manager, which is a very different job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's just this is completely unprecedented, like you just don't hire from this pool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it could end up being a tremendously inspired higher that

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[SPEAKER_01]: other teams start emulating at this point at some point like if this works out somebody's going to make a big run at Jay Johnson from LSU in three years right like that's that's just that Jay Johnson would have been the other top contender for best college head coach if you would ask me a month ago would have either been Jay Johnson or Tony Patel but at the same time like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could see this not working at all, it's genuinely stunning and incomparable in a way that just doesn't happen with staff hires and the only other staff hires in the last.

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[SPEAKER_01]: let's say five years that his stunned me to this level was Pussford Polizzi is the giant president and Facebook operations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is the second time the giants have just went completely off the board to do something wildly different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say the same thing, I said to you when the giants hired Pussford Polizzi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not think the giants have been a particularly well run organizations and Sabian laughs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, the 18th, 20th, 22nd best well run organization and being a slightly below average organization at all of the things that other teams are trying to do is a really good way to get stock in the exact mediocrity cycle that they've gotten stock in recently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you started this off by asking me if this was a really big zag and I do think it's a really big zag, but I think wipe with posey and also like with the devours trade, there's a much better argument to be doing that when you don't

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[SPEAKER_01]: might as well do something completely off the board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, take a really big swing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it works out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if it works out, you got a chance to be a really good team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you've figured out some stuff that other people haven't figured out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, maybe you're the team that everybody is emulating in five or eight years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, you're making a huge risk by doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I don't...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the giants, to me, did not, or not going to be entering the off season and like one of the five or six best positions and made sure to, you know, they have a solid core and they've got a solid core of guys that are about a 500 baseball team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's another,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, kind of they've taken these repeated big swings to shake it up and do something interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of promise you that this is going to be tremendously entertaining.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy's incredibly many things to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're going to see

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[SPEAKER_01]: a guy that's really charismatic with the media that's very animated in the dugout is not afraid to speak his mind on any issue, even potentially related to baseball, he's the guy, he's the college guy who they put on the draft broadcast because he had his very informed about everything and he has an opinion about everything and he likes to talk about it and his character's

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[SPEAKER_01]: In terms of personality, he's just going to be a ton of fun, both for Giants fan selection for everybody else and watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to spice everything up a great deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, again, this is an entertainment business at the core of it, you know, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if the Giants were one thing these last three years, it was very boring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it was a very boring baseball team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, you know, again, you know, drew Gilbert, right, drew Gilbert on the whole song in the majors, like he does, he had a really good series in Colorado and song, but man, he's just like really entertaining to watch, right, there's just there's always something going on, like he takes this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: tremendously big hacks and most of the time, it involves pop outs for right field, but it usually, that's something really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He runs some of the worst routes you'll ever see in the outfield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The 20 makes he spectacular catches out of nowhere, because he's got this tremendous athleticism, and then he'll just like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just like lose it in the dugout, brandably, and start trying to friendly choke people and stuff like like, it's just, you know, and I think the tell us kind of, you know, again, assuming he doesn't tone it down that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's gonna bring a lot more of that kind of really fun energy to the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether that actually works, I have no idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I told Brad, when it happened, I was kind of down on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, it just feels, it just feels a little bit like stuff that I don't like, I don't like, but then you read more about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, he's just personality is probably going to drive me nuts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's a baseball lifer, which is a really cool thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it would just something that I could get behind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, the unfortunate thing is with these contracts,

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[SPEAKER_00]: probably two years to prove it, you know, because he's got that third year, and then he's got, I don't know how that option works necessarily, but, you know, that, you know, these manager deals are just so short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he'll have a, I promise you that we would be quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just want to ask you one more question before we get out of here, because it is the world series and we're both about to turn this thing off and go catch up to the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the Dodgers win this thing,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, is this bad for the next CBA if the Dodgers just wouldn't back to back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If the owners want to create a situation to fight really hard for a salary cap, they're going to fight really hard for a salary cap, whether the Dodgers win the world series are not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My personal opinion about this, and this is just speaking from me,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so, so Hayo Tani in the Penink punching game had arguably the greatest baseball game ever played by a human being right he is the biggest most popular baseball star in the world he's becoming one of the most popular athletes in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know this is tied in with some of the changes the rating, so it's not entirely accurate, but even discounting that the ratings for baseball over the last couple of years have been trending way up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After a period in which baseball was not a particularly cool sport, you've got autonomy, you've got schemes, you've got judge, like these guys were breaking through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... they're breaking through the united states they're breaking through in japan especially uh... basically baseball incredibly popular in japan giants and yankies are going to open up next season on netflix yes um... you've got to yes you've got tv deals uh... you know kind of expanding the universe and that's not fan friendly because this is turning into the NBA where you need 26 channels and streaming services to watch the game

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, this is part of my job, and it's my wife's job, so from that, you know, that doesn't affect me because we have all these streaming services and, like, also write them all, fund me exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I ain't in all that type of stuff, but I understand it's not necessarily fan friendly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say for the growth of the sport for

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[SPEAKER_01]: actual collective bargaining.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's ever going to be bad that Showhail Tani, the biggest star in the sport is in the world series and having games like this in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are going to have a tremendously hard time convincing me that that is bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what we're seeing in terms of

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[SPEAKER_01]: TV deals, rating, streaming deals, ballpark related revenues, there's not really indicate that things are going badly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if they want to fight really hard for a salary capital, Rob Manford stand up there in next December and say the Dodgers are winning too much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need more parity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but if they're just going to do that anyway,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's got to do it anyway.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't yeah, he's going to point to the viewers and all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think in actuality it is bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would also point out that Toronto bluges are owned by Rogers communications who has more money than

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason we say that Steve Cohen is the richest individual owner in MLB is because of the BlueJays, the BlueJays corporate ownership is incredibly well funded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are a relatively small cog in a huge national level communications company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Blue Jays also run an incredibly high payroll of the Blue Jays sign flying me a career to the second biggest contract in MLB, or the third, depending on how you view the O'Conanity deal in terms of present value and deferrals, but either the second or third biggest contract in MLB history, like six months ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, after, you know, make, they were the runner up on Otani.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to sign Otani to the same deal that the bachelor's did turned out he didn't want to leave his lovely beach a boat in Orange County.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't play them, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, uh, I was watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't finished it yet, but there's a new exposed documentary on Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched out the other day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, like just going reliving that strike, which is literally about a salary cap and looking like, you know, then that this is gonna be a big decision that probably related to that this year or this next year at the end of next year as well is kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, I, look, I, do I think there's a chance that there's a walk out and there's, I think there's a very good chance there's going to be a walk out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a much smaller chance of actually going to lose games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a chance that a salary cap is going to be a major issue in the walk out don't tell Bryce Harper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bryce Harper's pissed he had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Manfred, you had the yellow manfred and then he had to he got dispy his own his own team Personally, you want to be athletic and said some very pointed things in response to that, too Yes, you know, but I think all that's going to be true whether the Dodgers win the world series or not I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: that from a fan perspective there will be like 3% more fans sympathy towards the order's position if that happens but also who cares like this is one of the like uh when this is happening 13 months for now 13 to 16 months for now

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are people really going to remember that the Dodgers won the World Series two years like what will benefit you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe if they win it three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they won it three in a row, yeah, people are going to start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean, again, the crazy thing about this discussion is that this is the highest competitive balance time literally in the history baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers are the first team in over decade to win penance back to back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There has not been a World Series back to back in

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, smaller market teams are winning, teams are winning occasionally pretty much out of nowhere, like the Rangers a couple of years ago, like nobody had the Rangers winning that world series until they won that world series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: people really care about that world series, by the way, yeah, yeah, yeah, some, I think is what's better for baseball for some of the money to the world series less.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you have to be a back-to-back world series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Show Hey and Aaron judge Yankees and Dodgers, and then this year with the Blue Jays and the Blue Jays have

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[SPEAKER_01]: half of Canada watching so yeah they've they've they've they've they've they've I son article and I know these numbers are completely fake but like the Canadian rating for deemed to is like a 17 share or whatever like it was just like completely off the charts and yeah like this is

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they haven't been in the world series in 32 years like this is this to me This is a good world series if the mariners made it would have been even better because I would have been even even better story And they've got in some cases, you know, even you know, like Cleo Rodriguez is a much more charismatic star than like anybody on the blue jays You know if he's like I'm flots a better player than him by a pretty significant margin, but, you know, and Flots himself is a pretty charismatic and pretty big star

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just, I don't, I think that this is a, it is an easy narrative to say that the Dodgers are ruining baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, it just really does it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it feels like fans of teams that wish their team is successful as the Dodgers have been, which I'm sure is a lot of the listening base of this podcast because, you know, well, look, if Otani's contract isn't structured, the way that it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't have any excuses, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, can I give my 90 second or bottle to the Okotani contract thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're having to put 40 something million dollars in interest bearing account for him every year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're not just floating these payments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have buy the CBA within, I believe it's 18 months, they have to put the money in a lock box account.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not just, these are not like payments that they're going to make 12 years from now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the money has to be set aside in a

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[SPEAKER_00]: So sure, but they're, they're able to monetize this popularity right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I am lucky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, and if he's $150 million in revenue and being paid 40, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he signed with the giants, if he signed with the blue jays, we would have had the same exact contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really out of headiness, but that is the one thing where if you look at it, you go, okay, that you can complain about that contract as a fan speaking point, but it would have been the same no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, but I think people have the idea with the deferrals, it's like the Bobby Bonilla deferral where he's going to be paid this money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: deep in advance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And from his perspective, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What this all actually is is a tax dodge for the athlete because he's going to go establish residency, whether it's in Japan, or somewhere else, some other tax shelter after he's retired and not be subject to California state income tax, that's what's actually going to happen here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's scrolling your state pretty

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in terms of the actual, yeah, any team that's on Deltoni was going to make the contract back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Deltoni should have been paid $120 million a year, but he didn't want to be, and look, as you know, you are a fan of a number of sports, including several that have salary caps, or an NBA fan, you are an NFL fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you put these salary caps in place, it encourages players to go and build super teams like this and would encourage, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he's not going to be able to make the super huge amount of money, he just might decide to go to the Dodgers because he wants to have a chance to want a championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to play with so little money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to whoever else is on the team at that time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The existence of a salary cap,

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[SPEAKER_01]: especially depending on how it's structured does not necessarily incentivize competitive balance and some cases incentivizes teams to be a little cheaper about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Carter, they make the structure in the NBA, the more it's encouraged players to go team up together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, for some reason, the NFL of all places has a calorie capture structure where the green bay Packers can just inherit like the top paid defensive linemen and they can pay him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, that's pretty interesting the way that the NFL has done it, but the NFL is also very cutthroat where they can, you can just fire anybody at the drop of a hat and nobody cares.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's centralized revenue sharing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's driving that the NFL does not have much localized revenue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The vast majority of revenues are generated on a lead wide basis and shared equally with the games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was driven from, like, the beginning, essentially.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they, they, a, a, a, I forget, I, I listened to a podcast where they kind of explained it all and who, who was the, who were the owners that that really fought for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, of course, Jerry Jones found ways to circumvent that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, he starts all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but he's also the owner of the Traded Micah Parsons, right, incredibly stupid and weird reasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, yeah, I mean, that's that dates back to basically the dawn of televised football and televised sports or talking the immediate postwar era.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's never going to happen in baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know people like really want that to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not going

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the giants because there are another team that's going to be included in here are not going to want to devalue their franchises by literally billions of dollars to help out the race it and you can even see that from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: MLBA trying to get all of these local TV deals and the teams that actually make a good amount of money, the Dodgers Yankees, Red Sox included, they're not going to want to sell their rights to major league baseball on the cheap, just to make the viewing experience easier for them to sell.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's good, and there's been over the course of, you know, six CBA cycles, every cycle, there's tweaks and increases to revenue sharing, there's various things that are done to try and make it more profitable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Another one of the dirty little secrets is that franchise values, even for the, quote, small market, what were revenue teams, are rising so fast that these owners are,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if they are so in a paper loss or still making so much in equity value, which has that you can borrow against that equity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can turn it into cash flow if you want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, if you don't want, you can sell it and get the cash that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And somebody else's richer than you is going to surely come in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait for the day when oil money hits baseball because we all know it's happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not want that to happen, but there are hundreds of Uber rich guys who want to be in a very small club, a very exclusive club, and a very limited number of them actually get to be in that club.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's never, you know, again, literally the rage just got sold for a fairly large amount of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it, you know, you mentioned the expo's documentary on Netflix, which is very good, although you have to turn the automatic dubbing off because it will drive you crazy if you don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't figure out how to do that on my Apple TV.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was, do you have to turn it to French language with English subtitles?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they did not dubbed the English into French, but they did dubbed the French into English.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the trick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I posted about that on Blue Sky and somebody told me that, and that increased my enjoyment once I turned it back on, that day or two later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like, you're, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a couple of teams that would not be able to run at $2 million per whole sustainably.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the reds probably wouldn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reds, I believe, have the least wealthy owner and baseball on have relatively low rights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But for the most part, most of these teams are owned by people that are rich enough to fault this amount of money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Would not realistically be losing a ton of money even if they did so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the pirates are going to make a lot more money if they run a relatively old payroll.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, even though over rich guys like to play scoreboard and make even more money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, to me, a lot of this, there are competitive balance problems within baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are financial inequities within baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those like anything, those are blown out of proportion to fit a narrative when people want to impose their pretty existing belief systems on the sport, or for even more in the various purposes, like I just want to make more money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and I don't know whether that's actually nefarious, but perhaps within the context of the Tampa Bay raise, it might be not to keep beating on the raise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I should just pick the Colorado Rock, isn't said, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you've also, like, some of these teams are just incredibly poorly run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the angels are just like a badly run baseball franchise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's the angels had Sohailotani, the angels declined to participate in the last phase of the Sohailotani sweepstakes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, they had Sohyo Tonny and Mike Trout on the same team for six years and didn't win anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's not a systemic problem with baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a problem with that franchise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a problem with one very bad owner who's among the worst owners in the entirety of professional sports is, you know, artists like right up there with like Woody Johnson, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like one of us, yeah, just that self-defeating, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: self-defeating rich guy is um but yeah I don't I don't think it's bad if the Dodgers wouldn't you know I personally would probably find a little more entertaining if the blige is won yeah I would be kind of the underdog story it would be cool for team that hasn't won since I was a kid that won again but no I don't actually think it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's bad for baseball and I don't think it's going to cause a stripe or a lock out, although it will become one of many excuses if a lock out does happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they think it's a game seven at home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to have Joe Carter throw the first pitch, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would assume so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think there's any.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I assume they're saving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you might have to pull that out for games six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you're down 42.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like the worst cap secret in baseball is the co-fax that's throwing out the first pitch for the game five, their special TBA guests, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you have to, you have to save that last one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I always wonder the guys that get picked for like I said, hey, they don't know them all throughout the first pitch today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the guys that like, you have to know you were like the 15th, most important person in franchise history to be getting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The game three in the second consecutive world series like they've burned for a lot of people at that point to get here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where's her shizer on that list?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just a little higher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, but not like you're, you know, he's obviously still around the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's a kind of small major figure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Dodger franchise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, but yeah, I think if it gets back to Toronto, like I do something with Joe Carter, I mean, like it just got out of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, find Jared's work and go read Jared's work on baseball perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mentioned this last time, but my little like trick here is I have an Apple news subscription and I can read baseball perspectives through my Apple news subscription as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's a really cool thing because I like to use Apple news exclusively for like research and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, we got our

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think to each from today, we from today is something like the way from one's day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, so we're entering our offices and content making, you're going to be going to be busy guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very busy guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I already have, yeah, I've got you as I have to write for the book, which involves, I have an essay in the book that only has a very loose topic assigned and it has to be done by Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It might be in my call out there if the no research and don't even have a fully forced out public.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's really fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, as always, I very much appreciate you coming on this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, it just takes like a Twitter like, hey, what do you think about this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Would you, would you want to come and chat and you're always down?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I, I'm very much appreciate that and we'll have you back, of course, again, very soon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So go check his stuff out, Jared, thank you for, thank you so much for hanging out here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For Jared, I'm WG, we will see you when we see you peace out.