SF Giants Sign Tyler Mahle & Adrian Houser: Offseason Analysis | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: with Drosion, throws to Sandberg and the pitches proud of the second base, Thompson has it, throws the first, it's over 27 years of waiting, it built on it and then you're going to jump on the pen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is our first Thompson to Clark of 2026 Brad and WG are here and Brad, I don't know if you can hear that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't sound like much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like silence to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the giant soft season so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The quietest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, in Garfunkel's sounds of silence, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's no fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This, the season, the silence is deafening at the moves that the giants are making.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here they're making a couple of moves, but I, I don't think the fans are too excited about the soft season yet, though, so many players are still unsigned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the big ones, I guess, except for Edwin Diaz, all the big ones are still out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk about that in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have some NFL playoffs going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's, I mean, this is the season for like everything, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is, it's January.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody go, oh, after the holidays, things slow down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, no, no, we got NFL playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have MLB free agency still happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got NHL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to Sharsock or actually halfway decent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I'm a golden night's fan, but it's fun to see because, you know, when when there's no golden night's game on here in Reno, we do get the shark's games on NBC sports Bay Area.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sir, good to watch those, which is cool or California.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure exactly what's shown there on, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But either way, I get to watch those, and then you've got soccer and full swing, Premier League, all the big leagues are still happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we've got college football play, obviously, Thursday night and Friday night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, where are we at?

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[SPEAKER_00]: In the college football playoff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: two games to get to the championship games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think you've got Miami and Ole Miss tomorrow night, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did have ESPN up earlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the only time I ever go to ESPN when I need to see a schedule.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got Miami and Ole Miss tomorrow night and then Friday night you got Oregon and Indiana and winners of those games are in the national championship game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the national championship game is either gonna have Ole Miss

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[SPEAKER_01]: or Miami.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you know, say that five years ago, that wasn't happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is the you back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The U is back in Michael Irvin is having a really good time with Matt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's showing up to every game he's on the sideline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He took a shirt off at the end of the last game when they upset.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't remember where they played, but ripped a shirt off after the game was running around and hugging up players like he played in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what is a gosh, a 50-some odd year old Michael Irvin's upper body looking like these days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, you look pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's a pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I would have taken my shirt off, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could knock him, but I was like, I don't remember him playing in this game tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason I asked you about the NFL playoffs, we're going to talk about giants, but the rare occasion actually hasn't been rare of late that both the Rams and the 49ers are in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somehow, we ended up as the five and the six seed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But luckily for you guys, you guys had the upper hand and you get to go into Carolina and face the, did it with Carolina even 500 this year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they were eight and nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they finished eight and nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tampa Bay finished eight and nine and the Falcons finished eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because of, you know, various robot AI type breakers, Carolina was the winner of that division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other two teams stayed home, which they should because when you're a eight and nine, I don't even think you should win the division at eight and nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I, I, I, I feel like they should just default that division and say, no, I'm sorry, none of you get to go because you got to be 500 or above.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you guys got a nice little revenge game here in the first round of the wildcard playoffs against the Panthers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the Niners have to go into Philly and face that it's not like the Eagles are world beaters this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had a pretty, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they were 11 and 5 or 11 and 6, sort of their record was 12 and 5.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think Eagles fans probably felt like, you know, that they weren't

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[SPEAKER_00]: to invest it in killing it in the regular season, but they are the defendants who were old champions and they play a style of football, which probably not great for the Niners, but the Niners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: catch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've had so many injuries and my expectations are fairly we're fairly low all season long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I've just been happy with their record and with how they've been able to win some of these games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I fully I do not expect them to win Rod and I did a preview last night on on on on on the feed and we're you know we're both pretty realistic nine or fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not the raw rod nine or fan and you know we both I think we both kind of hope that the Niners play close and if we were betting

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'd probably bet on the Eagles, but, you know, if the Niners keep it close, then anything can happen at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I'm not sure how anybody can get to our age, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Following sports for as many years as we have, following our teams, I'm not sure how you could be at this age and be a robber, follower of your team.

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[UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure that's even possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I look at all the teams that I follow and and like the Rams going into Carolina, sure they should win that game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I confident?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, because I mean, they went in there and lost last time and they have a great secondary and our strength is our passing game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, so many things can happen when you're talking about football or any sport for that matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, so you're telling me that if the Rams win on Saturday, you're not taking your shirt off and running around the house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm not saying that there's a possibility I will be yelling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My father-in-law the other day, he goes, we were out to dinner and he goes, man, that midway, that guy, he gets into the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, not like Shanahan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shanahan just kind of, you know, his stands are very stoic and he's a nine-year fan, my father-in-law.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes, but that make day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He really loves to scream and pump his fist and run around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I said, yeah, you should see me during that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said it's a little bit of the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I always said I liked your father and mom by the way, good guy, 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's a good guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, you know, shenanigans is the opposite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shenanigans expects them to do well, and then when they don't, that's when he gets mad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, McVey is just, McVey will ride the wave throughout the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He will absolutely, he's got to be exhausted by the time the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure the players will like that too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're part of the last one of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he goes home and he's got a newborn in a two year old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how the hell he does it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he just, he just, he just probably, he just crashes out and all the, you know, the kids, it's sorry, whoop, he's wife, poor lady.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's probably dealing with the, with already goes home and just says, put the kids on top and I'm going to lay on my back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just put them on my chest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll just whatever happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We do have to talk about some giant space

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where are you with patients level frustration and anticipation like are you waking up every day checking your athletic app and going like okay did the giants do anything today like what where are you with are you just like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: this is just what the offseason is going to be like how are you feeling about all this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, number one, I'm not going to go checking and app to see what happened overnight because I have so many alerts that when I wake up in the morning, there's going to be one from ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be one from bleacharyport.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be one from every from our discord that you run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be one from there as you've got.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you've got Pavlovitch automatic tweets going there, which is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we should put on social media where we're at and discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But everybody should join because it's a really fun place to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do enjoy discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think more than any other social media at this point, just because it's a, it's just a message board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a good place to go and just, you know, talk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but the key word, the very first word you said was patience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's me right now, it's very patient with the process because again, when you look at that list of free agents that are still available, there's a lot of good ones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, you know, what are the chances we're going to sign one of them?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's high that we're going to, you know, get framer valed as or swar as I don't think the, I don't think the chances are very high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know Toronto's court in him heavily right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cody Belinger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the Yankees are hard core after him as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But still, there's chances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look what happened last time we were patient.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got Blake's now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I didn't turn out fantasticly, but I shouldn't have used that as an example.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we got Matt Chadman, but that's another way your patient, you get a Matt Chadman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Matt Chadman decides, I really like it here in San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to sign a long-term deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So good things can lead, you know, lead into that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just being very patient right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As soon as I see big names start to go off the board one after another after another.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll start to get a little antsy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I know we're going to talk about our five-man rotation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking at the five-man rotation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to practice yoga patients right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Little worried about that five-man rotation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Little worried about the pitching depth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know we have a lot of pitching depth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll talk about what kind of pitching depth we have in a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think patient is the key work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I...

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think my stance is a kind of look at

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as different for each sport, I, I, I, I fully believe that you expect the Rams to chase some of the bigger players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they're not going to be the biggest chase or NFL free agency in the cap is a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, you guys are going to spend money on Matt staff for to keep QB one around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure when Pook and Akua comes up for free ages, he's going to get a giant giant contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they just extended Quentin Lake, you know, key safety on the team and they extend in Nate Landman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So those types of things happened during the season, you know, and as a Rams fan, I'm excited about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you look at the giants and you go, where's that happening for us?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I say that and then we go out and trade for Raphael Rivers, which, again,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The chance of him coming to us would have been a slim and the chance of him going somewhere else would be be very high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how I kind of look at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, we got to make those deals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to make the trade deals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's what I'm wondering, which is exactly what you just said is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: When the giants are trying to look at the market and they're kind of dipping their toe and I think Susan Slusser had a report that she didn't say exactly who she talked to but she mentioned that she talked to some of the agents of the big free agents and they said yep, the giants checked in right at the beginning of free agency but we haven't heard from them of late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I wonder is, is if the free agent market for just San Francisco and Oracle, just there's like a fine, there's like an extra 20 million fine just for the giant to, because these hitters don't wanna hit here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But on the flip side, you would think that the pictures would wanna pitch here and they still haven't really been in the mix for the big free agent pictures outside of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Blake Snell coming over because he didn't have, he was kind of out of options.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did get Viralander, but only in a one year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do wonder if like the reason like if we could, if we could know the reason now, I don't know if Buster would ever say this that you know, yeah, the realistic expectation of this market is just that the big players don't wanna play here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if he said that that would be really negative and the fans would probably really upset.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then how much of it is this unwillingness to spend and maybe that's related like maybe the giants front office is like well the the only way we get these guys is if we pay over market so thus we're not going to do that and instead we are going to try and do so through the trade market like we got devours now the problem with that is they just don't have

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[SPEAKER_00]: The farm system where you can pick and choose, you know, your seventh or eighth best prospect, because the giant seventh or eighth best prospect aren't necessarily gems like they are in some of the other farm system.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder how much of it is that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like to be fair and realistic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, I'm just thinking like, man, you know, the Dodgers of one back-to-back world series titles, where's the urgency

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[SPEAKER_00]: for the giants to go, hey man, we have to break that thing up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we can't allow them to keep doing this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this isn't just, let's hand the Dodgers the next three or four titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we need to get into that space competitively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know it's kind of unfair in a sense to go, hey, we're going to compare every move we make.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to whether or not it helps us beat the Dodgers, but they're the world series champions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of have to look at it like that if you do want to be in that rare air, because the joke that we both made when the giant signed Adrian Houser and Tyler Malley was, oh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be the Dodgers that I'll get us closer to the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's kind of a backhanded kind of compliment, they are not signed to be the ace of your staff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are signed to be at the back end of the rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, it's like, man, let's do something here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's make a big splash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get the fans excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what I sense right now from Giants fans is

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[SPEAKER_00]: they may not be super fired up for the 2026 season because they just think that this is going to be the same team that lays down against the Dodgers again and I don't know if that's a great place to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it, you know, it's, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard because you can't expect the giants to go out and spend what, you know, 300 million to 400, 500 million in an off season and grab three or four players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not gonna happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this year's crop of free agency was looked at as kind of like, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, it's not, you know, it's not terrible, but it's honestly not the greatest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're looking at free agents, I'm looking at free agents for next year guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So many of these guys have an opt-out, but you're looking at Jose Bereos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be out there next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chris Sale, Corbin Burns, who we went through that already, Robby Ray is gonna be a free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rick Scoobles is gonna be a free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you showed to Emanaga, so you're looking at a lot of pitching in free agency next season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sonny Gray, Michael King, he's got an opt-out, even though he just signed back with San Diego.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Emy is going to be out there again, and you'll see what he does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, you could look at it too, is there saving a little bit of cash?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, everybody's going to go out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're on the side of the owners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm on the side of, I want to see a winning baseball team, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also know what our situation is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our situation is our farm system under Farhan, took a dump.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was kind of, that was his claim to fame as he was going to fix that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was going to bring us back and boost the farm system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't quite happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you look at what the giants are doing, the number one international free agent last year was signed by the giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The number one free agent, uh, international free agent about to be signed by the giants again, number four pick in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A couple of good, yeah, a couple of good prospects, uh, you know, brought over during the trade deadline of of 20, 25 in July.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of those guys may be,

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[SPEAKER_00]: one of those multiple arms at the back end of the rotation that you were mentioning earlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when you start to look at the farm system and you go, okay, now we have trade capital, we're gaining trade capital, or we've got guys who are going to help out this club down the line in the next one to four years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giant's brass is not going to come out and say, we are rebuilding right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not when you go out and trade for devours, not when you've got Logan Web sign long time and Chapman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you've got a lot of players,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're trying to have a big payroll, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As long as you've got those guys on the roster, you can't come out and say we're rebuilding, but we know as giant fans, we can see it from the outside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a building of the farm system, not necessarily rebuilding, but it's a building.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're trying to build up that farm system, so you do have the capital to say it to tread, trade deadline this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're in the hunt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go get scuba.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever it takes for a half of season to scuba, it's not going to be enormous, especially because the tigers are, you know, if they're in it last year or this year, like they were last year, and they went to the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he may not even be available.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know that, but but players like that, but you can trade for at the trade deadline, and then bring them into San Francisco, show them the organization, show them the city, show them the fans, and then you might have a shot at extending them like we did with Chapman when he came in as a late free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: grab two or three players, spend half a million dollars and then be neck and neck with the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers have, they have trade capital.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've got, I mean, they seem to have an endless amount of trade capital.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anytime they need to trade for a player, they've got, you know, it seems like every top 100 prospect in baseball has any dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's got a frustrating watch sometimes, but we want to be there and I think that's what we're kind of building right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and trading prospects right now for the giants is not necessarily going to be in there, but to their benefit because if you are a smart baseball team and the giants want to do anything with you, you go, okay, what about Bryce, what about Joe Swar and what about Johnny level and if you're the giant you're like, okay, we're going to stop having these conversations because those are the guys right those are the guys that you hope to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, somebody set players who will take the field for the Giants in the next five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's not so much that those are the guys that you're hoping to right now, those are the only guys that are anchoring the big names of the farm system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You trade those guys away and you're kind of screwed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless you think you're getting the guy who's going to be around for five or six years for you in the bigs, who's an extra piece to the puzzle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, I mean, Brandon Donovan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He could be a giant for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If the giants do decide that they have enough, and they want to give up enough to the cardinals to trade for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, when you're talking about, you've got four or five good pieces, and they want four of them, that's tough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're the Dodgers and somebody wants four or five good pieces, and you've got 27,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can make a deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a realistic move that you would like to see them make that would make you excited and happy and it doesn't look like it's going to happen from the starting pitching perspective by the way, because they could still add surezer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the Scherzer market isn't fantastic, they could always bring him in later in the spring and just have him be ready when they need him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But is there a position player move that is out there that you would be like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a really smart move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we talking free agency and trade or both?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's there's stuff out there, like you mentioned the Donovan thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: F.P.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Santangelo keeps bringing up Nico Horner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how viable that is because he's a really good player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, what's like a realistic thing that's out there that would excite you?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I still, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You say realistic, I still think it's realistic if the giants were to sign Kyle Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's simply because the giants have been trying to sign the big name for years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you go to back to Bryce Harper and judge and trade for John Carlos Stanton, everything that they've been trying to do

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they want to put the money out there for Kyle Tucker and go over the threshold, they could, and they could do it, and then they could have Kyle Tucker for many, many years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're going to do that with Carlos Correa, and then, you know, but now, now you've got devours, now you've got Chapman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to Eldridge coming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you added Kyle Tucker to this lineup, I think you get a lot of fans excited that, hey, look at our pitching staff and look at our offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to win some some six to five games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to win some seven to five games going down this, you know, 20, 20, 60 season, but on a more realistic, okay, back to Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they sign Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: season tickets are going through the roof.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's what that was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you know, Zack Manation has said, you know, we don't want multiple guys, you know, at $25 million a year because that hurts your flexibility and they have Chapman and they have Devours and they have a Domus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't sound like they are going to go that route, but that also that that $25 million

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[SPEAKER_00]: the way that he said that anybody who is worth a damn is going to make 25 million dollars a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe they're comfortable signing that player to a three year deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is, I think that's what the Dodgers are actually waiting for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're waiting for the Tucker market to get a little cold and for Tucker's agent to go back to them and say, OK, we'll sign a shorter deal what you got.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's where the Dodgers are going to jump on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I still hope that he signs a long-term deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go to the blue jays for all I care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, and you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's, you know, I think a lot of people are waiting for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because again,

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[SPEAKER_01]: As salaries are blown up so much that when you're looking at, you know, the 10 year, the 10 year, 200 million dollar deal, those don't exist anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you're at 10 years, 300, you're at 10 years, 350.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you're looking at, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I think that's the frustrating thing too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the giants, again, we hear them every year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to get more athletic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to add guys to do more things on the, you know, on the base paths in the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Cody Bellinger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Kyle Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the guys that can do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brendan Donovan upgrade your second base position if you can make the trade for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what are the cardinals asking for?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a controllable guy for I think like three or four years, so and so they're gonna want a lot for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I don't

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[SPEAKER_01]: As a fan, I don't see a problem with having a bunch of guys under 25 million because again, look at the giants were takers for devours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you need to get rid of somebody, you can get creative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get rid of that person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you need to ship them off somewhere else, especially if you're going to ship them off to the Yankees and get some prospects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, ship them off to Toronto and get some prospects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can make it happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think, you know, if the giant's sign a Kyle Tucker and the experiment is terrible after two years and he doesn't have an opt-out, but he's making 25 to 30 million a year, I think you can still move them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's possible, but, you know, you got to take that chance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing is being a giant's fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are some chances being taken.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We saw with devours, but then there's chances not being taken as we saw with EMy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we see almost every year with a lot of other players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it is hard to watch from the outside because then you see devours and go, we're going for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, bus proposal is going for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then everything backs off for six, seven months.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Belanger would kind of be the pie in the sky idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that they're going to do that by the way, but that would be kind of like a, oh my gosh, you know, they are doing something here more realistically, it could be something like beta insurers or and we're kind of Dutch sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if they trade for a second basement, that could be something like I think I would be really excited about that because if you look at the and now let's talk about the two pictures that they did sign house or and and mally their sinker ballers they are guys who historically.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have to build.

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[SPEAKER_00]: rotation around the idea that they're going to just miss starts over over the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, that's always fun to hear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you want to hear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, you were the guy who said this, you know, that really kind of opened the line to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like two years ago, you were like, look, the thing is not about a five-man rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really closer to like a ten-man rotation because of the way the injuries work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Blake and we've seen that's how the Dodgers of one the world series last two years right Blake tid well is somebody who I think the giants probably hope will be of some help in twenty twenty six.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the whiz kid Carson wizard hunt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they probably hope that he will as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, you really got to cross your fingers that Hayden bird song bounces back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But those are three guys at the back end of the rotation who are not going to be in the the five man to start the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking Logan Webb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking Robbie Ray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking land and group and then these two guys who they sign and then after that that's why I hope there's a surezer out there and verlander hasn't been signed yet, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's not not saying that he's going to come back, but again, if that market is light for him and the giants go, hey dude, like, just come and hang out and you don't even need to be ready until March or June, and we'll still pay you, you know, a healthy sum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a Trevor McDonald who pitched well at the end of the season, who the giants may be able to turn to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you look at it from that perspective,

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[SPEAKER_00]: if there are still arms coming, veteran arms who can help the young staff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is pretty smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, if they do trade for a second baseman, then it kind of makes some sense when you're putting together the sinker ball pitching starting rotation, because you have a really good third baseman, one of the best in the bigs, your shortstop

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[SPEAKER_00]: is not from a range perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is not the best, but he's a dependable player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He plays every day and devours of devours is going to be your main first baseman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think devours is going to actually be pretty good defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what is it at second base?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you do add a second baseman, then you're like, then they're it actually starts to make sense about what the giants are trying to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if Casey Schmidt has to play there for 100 games, at least defensively, you know he's going to be solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He may, he's not going to be probably, at least I don't think he'll be as sharp as he is at third because he's a third baseman, but at least he'll be solid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can kind of figure it out as far as who to bring in and who to who to have be a left handed bat to kind of platoon him with or whatever whatever they may do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think there has to be some sort of movement and some sort of additions to where Giants fans go, I see the plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I may not be splashy, but at least I understand it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right now, I don't see it at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like they have a plan and they can't actually put the pieces together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a missing right filter on this team, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't really know who's gonna be out there and right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like there's tons of players, on the footsteps in the outfield,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, all of their, their two best outfield prospects per MLB dot com.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... boat davidson and and decoded jordan double a and single label like the right that's what i was saying earlier like you're looking at four years three years four years you know so reiner areas rookie ball so it's not like they have these guys who are who are just waiting to come up like if you look at that top but the top twenty or no the top thirty there is not an outfielder

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[SPEAKER_00]: to be found, who has played out above Abel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not going to come from those places.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now maybe it may be Fitzi, maybe he plays a little in the alphabet, but we saw last year that he had lots of trouble with the strikeouts and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are Andrew Gilbert's not 150.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he would start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a great platoon guy in right field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, if Luis Matos was a more of a sure thing, maybe you could get away with it, but I'm not sure he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen him for three years now and he has, you're not like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's a little bit more consistent, he's the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been like, he's kind of proven to us that he's not the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're right field platoon combo,

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[SPEAKER_01]: combined for 15 home runs a season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They better be hitting 380 because I mean, you need the guys on base, and especially if you got a right filter, they're typically your power guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need a power out filter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The giant's biggest power right now is Elliott Ramos, and he's, you know, max 25 a year, probably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the Mike Yastremski profile would actually be a vast improvement over what they have for now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And how many people were trying to get him out of San Francisco over the years, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's going to be having a good time and Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This hot summer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the giants also made some deals, not actually not deals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they had to move some guys around on the 40 man over the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Over the winter, they had grabbed a Justin Dean and they had also grabbed Joey Weamer and both outfielders, by the way, if we were talking about, they don't have outfield depth and because of the additions of Mali and

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[SPEAKER_00]: and a house or actually had to let those guys go and those guys both got claimed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they will not have either of those guys also who got claimed weighed mechler.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he will not be on the giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got claimed by the angels today in Marco Luciano who was claimed by Pittsburgh and then let go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was then picked up again by the Orioles today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that said, you know, I think it's frustrating that somebody like him has been gone, but it just shows you that these guys who were were banking on were waiting for these guys to become big leaders, it just doesn't always happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so, any, do you have any thoughts on,

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[SPEAKER_00]: whether or not this rotation as it is built, where are the giants competing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I don't want to be a Debbie Downer here, but I think they are clearly

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[SPEAKER_00]: third behind the Dodgers and the Padres.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Diamondbacks are going to be game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Diamondbacks seem to fall out of it at the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think the giants are very close to the Diamondbacks right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So three or four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But how this thing is being built?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, could you see the giants even getting into the top two in the NL West right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there'd have to be a collapse by the podries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are spending some money, but they're also trying to unload money because of their ownership situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I could see that bringing back a fight for the two spots as of this moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you'd have to, you'd have to

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to have Bryce Eldridge start the season on the big club and beyond fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'd also have to have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which, again, is very, you know, very possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But have the real Rafi Devers, we only got a half season of Rafi Devers and they're off slow and once you came over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, a good full season of the real William Domus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chapman's getting a little bit older.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's still great defense at third base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Elliott Ramos, punch it up a notch, Patrick Bailey hit like he did the last month of this season, but for every month of this season would be great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Junku Lee, you know, bump it up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is, I mean, look at the rotation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this is going to be a team that needs to score runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I think if you're not going to put money into the rotation, you've got to put money into the lineup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which they have, I'm not knocking them, I mean they have put money in the line up, but you also have holes in the line up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think you need to cover those holes and I think you need to spend money to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in order to get to, you know, above the three spot in the National League West, yeah, yeah, I do think they need to spend a little bit more money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't do it with this line up in this rotation, especially the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean the bullpen, they are adding arms to the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But still right now we have Ryan Walker as our close to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See, you know, you got to look at that, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get the think pieces on Ryan Walker's 2025.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wasn't as bad as you think, and here's why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look at here's the baseball savant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that yeah that that that is not going to yeah look he could bounce back is just we both believe that he is better in the seventh and the eighth innings and he is in the ninth and you know I mean same with Randy Rodriguez who's going to probably miss the entire season but he's ready the thing about Randy Rodriguez is he's younger so he could actually kind of build into that closer role and I don't sense that Walker is necessarily going to

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[SPEAKER_00]: be the guy in the ninth inning against the Dodgers when you're fighting for a wild card and he's just going to come in and just just three straight strikeouts and pump his fist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just it doesn't feel that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, all right, a little bit of a shorter show today because like I said, it is

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[SPEAKER_00]: the quiet off season, but you know, some's got to pick up the baseball with the free agent market because there's so many all the top guys are still sitting out there and the world baseball classic is on its way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this will have that to talk about and you know, spring training is not that far away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: so there will be things to talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back depending on when something happens like if the giants make some moves, we'll be back next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If not, we'll just pick and choose because it is the off season and we have other shows going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, we want winners as his been

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[SPEAKER_00]: We, that has been the show that has been carrying us through this holiday season and Rod and I will be back Sunday after the Niners and the Eagles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I think Brian and I will be back this week for a Golden State hoop, we'll see not 100% sure, but the warriors are, the warriors are essentially the 20, 25 giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They win one and then they lose one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then they went one and then they lose one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm hopeful that they'll start picking it up and then the WNBA is still in a off-season struggle with their players association and the league and they have to do the collective bargaining agreements.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they on a strike right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not technically a strike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They set a deadline for the CBA to be done and they've pushed back the deadline two times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the player's association said, we are not afraid of a lockout and if it has to be, it has to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they have this cool little lead called unrivaled, which is a player's driven league, like a lot of the players actually have equity in the league and it's a three on three,

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[SPEAKER_00]: league where a lot of the WMBA stars are actually playing so then and they actually make the players who play They're actually make more money than they do in the WMBA so it's kind of interesting But yeah, so they have these other things that that they can do and so it's not like they are and you know I don't know how many players there may be some players living paycheck to paycheck actually So they may be struggling, but it that the you know the there are other opportunities for them so

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully the deal gets done, though, because the WNBA doesn't need a pause in the schedule because they're actually pretty hot right now, but anyway, all right, Brad and I will be back at some point and hopefully, I mean, I hope it's next week, because then that will mean that something else, but if not, we'll take our time or earlier because something big happened, you know, you know what, I do have something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for Old Guy Alley.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was doing some kettlebells the other day on Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all we need to hear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, because my knees are bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So sometimes I have to remind myself they just go slow and bend at the knees and but sometimes I forget.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I bent down to put the kettlebells down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I got the worst backspasms like every.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I was of the worst.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was of the worst when you're putting a weight down or picking a weight up and it happens and you're like, I'm just trying to get a healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was on the ground.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to tell you that I was at the gym, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, there's a healthy amount of people there and so I'm on all fours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to make any noises.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not trying to show anybody that I'm in some of the worst pain that I've ever been in from away, from any injury, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I spend about, I'd say 10 to 15 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just trying to get to my feet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how bad these backspasms are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm just like, you know, just, I, and finally I get to my feet, but I have to hold on to something like I can't just be independently on my feet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to like grab hold of the equipment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so finally like I I text crystal because I'd walked to the gym and I was going to have to pick me up and I might but don't come now because I still cannot physically walk like I'll call you back when when I'm ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a half an hour to where I could hobble out of this gym.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this was last Tuesday we're recording this on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's been eight days and I am still not like I'm I can walk and what but my back is my lower back is still in a decent amount of pain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's, that's usually because of how strong the spasms are, then you just get very, very sore muscles afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and last for a long time, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I tried yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay, let me see if I can actually do my workout, but I'll just do it as light as humanly possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got through it, but I was like, okay, I still need like several more days until I'll be ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, so that is that was not fun because I was like, you know, I'm ready to go like, yeah, all the hot, you know, the holidays were pretty much over all the bad eating like, let's go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're back in charge in my back was like, nope, yeah, you're not back in charge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it sets you back for a while.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got one, but I don't know if it's just certainly old guy, and that's why it happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But today I did my 40 minutes of hit, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I get totally done during that 40 minutes of hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a lot of burpees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, an extra amount of burpees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing gets your heart rate go in faster than burpees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and these are modified burpees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you go down to a burpee, then you do a push-up, then you go back up, jump, and then you do that over and over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when I'm done with this 40 minutes,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I stand up, grab my water, take a couple of swigs, start walking, and I go, oh, my nose is running.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really, really weird, blood gushers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh man, firing out of the nose, and I go, what the hell is this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm the only thing I could think of is because it gets so dry here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's green the winter and we're inside the house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like it was 40 degrees outside right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we got the heater running all day long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm inside the house working.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I'm doing these burpees where I'm up and down, up and down, and the pressure going to my bed and my sinuses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what caused it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good 10 minutes, a plug in it, and my head down finally got rid of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I get, I get one of those like maybe once a year and hell of a time for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've gotten one driving before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was always fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, the nose that just starts bleeding for no reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of wonder,

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[SPEAKER_00]: this is bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's wrong with me?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, no, it's just, yeah, do I have to go get a cotterized?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm hoping for both of us that we don't have any more exercise related injuries or issues and this, let us live our life, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, not going to be any good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to be healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're trying to work out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here for Brad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you peace out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peace.