Valkyries Season Ends on a Familiar Note: A Deep Dive Into the Final Loss | Podhalla

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[SPEAKER_01]: I were live talking valkyries links game to the valkyries i'm gonna guess that they had the lead in this game for about ninety five percent of it

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[SPEAKER_01]: down to the fourth quarter, the links.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As kind, I mean, we were feeling you kind of felt it as it was happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even before it was happening, the links outscore the Valkyrie's 26 to 11 in the fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is after the Valkyrie's had a big lead at halftime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They outscored Minnesota by eight in the first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then outscored Minnesota by five in the second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: outscored Minnesota by one and the third and then Minnesota outscores them by 15 in the fourth quarter to come back in San Jose at the Shark Tank to beat the Valkyries to end the Valkyries season what a fantastic basketball game that we got to see tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Incredible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I said before we I don't know where we live and this is going to be in the audio feed all the 12 minutes

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[SPEAKER_01]: did that'll just stay on the stay on the live stream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We won't have in the audio feed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, now I got to reset everything I said already, but yeah, I was saying that you can't reasonably ask for much more than what the vouchers did tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, you know, you want the win, but this is the best team in the league.

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[SPEAKER_02]: losing by one is incredible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The game we just watched was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think if you've been watching the Valkyries throughout the whole season, like we have and maybe listening to this podcast one or two times, like something will always say is they just aren't good in the fourth and they exhaust, it's almost like they exhaust themselves and then when it comes down to the end, and we actually saw it in the fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and this was, I don't know if this is not the reason they lost, but this is part of it, which is they started the fourth quarter with Veronica on the bench, and they had Carla in the game, and Carla and Kyla, I believe, were the back court, and, uh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Carla, you know, Carla's hot and cold, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's very streaky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She can handle the basketball against the pressure because she's got good handle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when it comes to kind of decision-making, when to shoot, when to get the other folks involved, hasn't been her strength necessarily, but she's kind of got that spark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she just didn't have it, it's almost unfair because she was sitting on the bench for almost the whole game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she had two different spurts of action.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in one instance, was it Carlton, who fell on top of her?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She got to rebound and she kind of was protecting the ball and one of the one of the links players fell on top of her and she looks like she heard herself a little bit, but that was much earlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that moment of trying to get Veronica Burton,

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[SPEAKER_01]: a few breaths.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe they did the same with Janelle and their lineup was a very, I guess we can say defensive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kurt, it was harmful to the defense and Minnesota went on a quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a one minute burst and I had texted you saying, they need to call time out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to get Veronica back in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was some foul Veronica came back in, but she could not stop the avalanche and they just couldn't, they couldn't score the ball on the fourth quarter, which kind of what you said has been the story this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So very predictable kind of the way that they lost the game, but also at the same time,

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[SPEAKER_01]: just a brilliant three quarters of basketball, and actually let's go back because in game one, I think you kind of saw the power of Minnesota, and I was saying,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they're at home, I think they're going to play better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to play better at home, you're going to play close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to play smarter and I thought Nicosia had a brilliant game plan in how she defended Nefisa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to, we're going to double team Nefisa sometimes when she kind of least expects it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to bother her that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's going to have to pass it out and other people are going to have to make shots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for three quarters, it was friggin' brilliant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the fourth quarter, you saw a little bit of a slippage in some of those doubles, you saw a little bit of a slippage in their ability to kind of, you know, keep the plays in front of them, and then Minnesota just got hot Minnesota got on their run, they got on their role, it was like this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: ball of mud rolling down the hill and just getting bigger and bigger and bigger until the very end when when when they lost, but they had the shot to win the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had they had the shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chetchie had a shot at the buzzer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A tough shot kind of fading away to her right at the buzzer could not make it and that was that was a game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what did you think of Natalie's coach of the year, by the way, Natalie's game plan to that she kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think last podcast I was saying that I felt like the moment that the game turned was when maybe it was more of an offensive oriented line up kind of abandoning the defense a little bit with two bad defenders on the court is where I felt like they kind of lost the game and game one and game two you learn that to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: is hurt going into the like literally like I didn't I didn't see the report so I started watching and I was like oh different starting line up like this is probably the 27 different starting line up they've used to this year and it's you know it's it's root pair instead of them me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so, you know, they kind of had to do this because of, again, a personnel thing, tell me not available.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to use root pair and root pair is not that strong of a defender.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you had root pair and Chetchi and at the same time, and I was like, ah, Natalie's just completely listening to what I said and said, I'm going to do a 180 and have two bad defenders to start a game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you kind of, I didn't realize that, tell me wasn't available and it worked, you know, they just like you said, made some of those defensive adjustments and not necessarily from a personnel standpoint, from a scheme standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that they really was amazing for for three quarters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I kind of felt like the shift in this game was Chetchy sleeping on three and Bridget Carlton just hitting like three threes in like four minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, that was so unfortunate because she's the sharpshooter on that team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, she's the Chetchy on their team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was like one of those game recognized game things, but as has been kind of the thing,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chetchie is not a great defender.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She doesn't have quick feet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She tries to use her length to get out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that is, you know, the one flaw in her game is just defense and those were those were backbreakers because that is the one person on that team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that you don't want shooting that open three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they did very simplistic ways to get her those passes and the Valkyries were just their team defense, which was so good in the first three quarters by that fourth quarter you would see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the real moments where I'm like, why would you drop to cover a cutter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: when that's two points versus giving up the wide open three to their best three point shooter like those are things that I'm sure the way that they drew up the defensive game plan they were like this is what we can and so when you're tired and the game is late and

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, anybody who's played basketball knows that when you're fatigued, you know, you're everything's moving so fast and sometimes you don't make the smartest play and they got caught a couple of times like you said that that that would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that would be the only thing that that I saw fundamentally where you're like, okay, if they could have made a change, it's there, but you need her for offense at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you're playing that trade off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you have you have to have her out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is really up to her to make those defensive switches to to make sure that she doesn't get caught with her hand in the cookie jar like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a plus three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the only person, the only person in this game for the Valkyries, who was not in the plus and the plus minus, do you want to make a guess?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Carler or Kate, would be my guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, two players, you're right, Carla minus nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle Charles minus 17, which is almost impossible because she played 28 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she would have had to play all of the minutes early in the game where the Valkyries were on the court with her had a small difference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then late when they got, you know, when they got blown off the court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, those were the two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kate was actually a plus eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kate only had six minutes,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, not that we're patting ourselves on the back here in any way, but they did, she did not, Natalie did not go to Kate that much in this game, which probably for the benefit because of, again, you can't have the slower moving players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't have many of them on the court at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I hope I hope I didn't offend any of the people who are mad at us the last podcast when they thought we were blaming Kate and I'm like, no, we love Kate, but if you're critiquing the game, you kind of got to call what you see, but Kate played well in her six minutes she played well obviously, yeah, but at the same time you see her and there was a moment where I thought encapsulated like my joy in watching this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought MVP for the Valkyries was Monique Billings, who like you said, had to step in for Temi.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rupert got the start, but Billings played a lot of minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was so tired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a moment where they're playing well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're on a little bit of a run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to commercial or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you see Kate in Monique, just kind of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, a little bit of elbow and they're both just smiling so big and you're like that like that is what this Valkyrie team was about all season long, like the unexpected team and while they're playing great basketball, they're having so much fun because the crowd is so into it and the Bay Area embraced it so much so that according to Marissa, the Enjemy, the

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[SPEAKER_01]: She said that the SP was just as loud as Chase for the Valkyries game and it sounded like it on TV the GoValks chant the GSV chance like you could hear those things throughout the entire the entire game long so like but that moment you know Kate and Monique and their sharing a moment and there's almost kind of like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you believe it, you know, where we're actually having a great game, like this is this is awesome, and then of course, you know, what happened happened, but you like that was that was just where I kind of in cat it encapsulated the whole season for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is where I say in ball hollow is a people not a place travels.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I've.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel good about my take that Monique should have been playing a lot more in the last podcast, and I felt a little justified, although I'm still kind of like does not figure this out if if Tammy doesn't go down like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sometimes it happens that way, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it does it does, but yeah, I should just pull up some of my notes here, but.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I thought that I thought that Nat utilized Kate in in some of those short spurts that I feel like is more suited to like her style of play, and I have written down here like Kate quick five points.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was like a like a two from a ridiculously good pass from Chetchi that she's able to score and then a good three like perfect.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is exactly what we need.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Second, I think it was more so because Chetji had to get subbed out from just messing up so much on defense or maybe there was a foul call, Kate comes in, has to guard hide him in and it's like we've seen this before we know what I'm up in here, yeah, but.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They did a couple of the bigger lineups, which, you know, they didn't do that much as much as I expected them to given they had four centers under contract.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you had you had a lot of repair, Monique lineup combinations and just the way like, you know, you said with doubling the fees, uh, like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Within that, you know, Minnesota group, they're so good at shooting threes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're probably the number one three point shooting team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess I should know this, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was only, like, I was like, just don't let Bridget shoot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, of course, like you don't want any of them to shoot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're all great shooters, but during this flow of the game, like I just didn't want Bridget to shoot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like, of course, you don't want in the face of the shoot, but at the same time, it's like, I rather have in the face of shoot of three than that patented, like three more feet in, just free thriller, range, jumper that she's so good at, mid-range, Jane there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's money from that spot, geez.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I had written just about everyone who usually plays has already played by the start of the second and then I wrote Burton subbed out in all caps start of the second because I think Carlos started her in the second and they were able to buy her a couple of minutes, but just the three's were falling like they were they were killing from three in the first half I think we both probably expected that to not continue for the rest of the game right and hoping you know in my text chat with some of my friends you know we had Marshall Marshall actually went to the game one of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, he did go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He him and his mom went and he was texting like in real time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, I'm worried about these three is because, you know, they need to start getting to the rampant in case those don't fall in the second half.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, totally agree.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, well, okay, but you say that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as a team, they shot 50% from three.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, the only missed like a couple in the first half so that even's out in the second like how what was the stat from the second half is what I'd be interested in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't know that that I can find it in this box score necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, it first sure wasn't as good as the first half.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The first half was damn your lights out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I couldn't have been it couldn't have been I bet you they probably shot like 20 to 30% from 3 in the second half, but it's because they shot like 80% the first half, you know, it just even's out like that I'm going to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually find it because I'm not I want what I wonder is if the.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is if the WNBA box score actually has the splits, the half splits, so I will kind of check it out while we're having this conversation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there was I had written down that so there was a play where Burton takes it to the rim and a lot of Smith just stuff sit and she just kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: puts the ball to the ground and holds it there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then, like, walks away.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, ooh, that was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Veronica Burton almost pulls off the troll of the century because literally, like, that that baseline out of bounds play, you know, not written up by that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There wasn't no time out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just like instinctively throws it off of a lot of Smith's back and goes for a faint away too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She missed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I said it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that was that was tight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was another moment in the game where

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gosh, it was a Caleb McBride, there was a foul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the playwood, there wasn't even like, the riffers are already called the whistle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was kind of coming in and Veronica's kind of swiped at the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Caleb also kind of swiped and like I and like kind of pushed her back and I was like, I wonder what Veronica's gonna do here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She held her composure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: where I was wondering if things were going to get a little rough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You saw Natalie on the sidelines going crazy at some of the rough play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know what she thought about the referees in game one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming she was a little bit more comfortable with how they called it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Except for there were moments where Minnesota was overly aggressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and I'm fine with that, especially if they don't call it, but then it's up to the Valkyries to be overly aggressive on the other side to see what they can get away with, and they kind of stayed within themselves, and that's also like a vet move thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a vet team thing where you're kind of seeing how much you can get out of the young team and try and stop them at any point, take them out of their game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Valkyries didn't fall for it, but I would have a like to see a little bit of fight back there with some of that aggressiveness.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a really get like, um, you know, and I know this is not what you're inferring, but when you were like, over on, I was, I wonder what Veronica's going to do when Kayla pushes her like you think about this team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They haven't really gotten like so many other teams have gotten into these like kind of pushing or just like getting close to face to face looking like something's about to happen like classic MBA thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Valkyries have yet to have one of those.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They've only had two moments that I can remember where the Veronica Burton Kelsey Plum

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[SPEAKER_02]: trip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Veronica gets up and gets interface.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the genel salon just absolutely shoving jewel Lloyd, but none of those required like the team confrontations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're just not that team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't, they just, they, they, they mind their business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't, I can't find any of the splits on, on the WMBA box.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I can almost guarantee you that it was, they shot well under 50, well under 40 in the second half, because I know that they, I'm pretty sure they were almost lights out in that first half.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe I'm thinking about the first quarter stats, but I thought it was the first half stats.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were just like going nuts from three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they're two point shots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you take away the threes, they were 17 of 42 from two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's interesting that they were that that much worse shooting twos and threes where the the the the links were the opposite of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You take away the links is threes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were 23 of 49 shootings that they would have been almost 50% shooting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's the Valkyries team, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how they they lived and died by the three pointer and we first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: three in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm yeah, mostly talking offensively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for three quarters that worked in the one quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just didn't and you had the one, the single team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe there's maybe there's two teams that actually I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say just the one after what we saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like you're going to say I was going to say Las Vegas, but that but it's because

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[SPEAKER_02]: Asia is that consistent bucket getter when they need when they need a bucket kind of like if he says I think it's the one team that would would have been able to come back against this team like the way they did and it's Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they would have been Las Vegas we saw it with Seattle yesterday where you know after the Seattle game I was like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Or before the Seattle game, I had made my take last game after in our podcast where I was like if you get blown out and game one like you're not winning game to you might have close game to like we were saying like it might be a couple possessions, but I was like you're going to lose game to if you get blown out the way you didn't game one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Seattle said watch us and they were able they got blown out badly in game one and were able to come back and game to so that's kind of why I say that I think I think they beat Las Vegas here and then of course now we're.

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[SPEAKER_02]: getting down the road, but now I'm rethinking it as a matter if they just beat Seattle, you would have gotten to play Atlanta.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You might have actually won the series against Atlanta, because every other series for those who don't know is going to a game three, except for the Valkyries, all eyes around the Valkyries to make every series go to three, and I'm not sad about it at all, like they played their hearts out, nothing more you can ask for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't know how much of a pro Marissa's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's already got the game her up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The story is already up some 30 minutes after this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy, Matt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's probably writing at the most important moments of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so before this game, Veronica Burton won most improved, like we thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then Natalie won coach of the year, which I believe came out today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're getting their accolades.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Much deserved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We expect something with rookie team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We expect something possibly with all NBA will see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: could it could be could not but Janelle for sure second team at least all defense for Veronica next most likely as Janelle all rookie next most likely which is probably not as likely, but I think there's still a possible chance is Veronica second team all w

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So really, you know, that they're getting their, they're due in those cases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I think they showed the entire WMBA tonight because did you get to listen to no off season from over the weekend?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Ben Pickman, you know, Ben Pickman was essentially you, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He where he was like, you know, I don't think the Valkyries are going to play close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Minnesota is going to kind of do the same thing that they did in the first game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think if you're, if you thought about this in a smart way, I think that was probably the right take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My take was more along the lines of because of this home game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought they were going to play much better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Minnesota is going to play worse and I think both of those things were true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So not not like I had this special no stradomas like take or anything, but I just, you know, watching as much playoff basketballs we've been able to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've had the privilege to watch the lawyers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can kind of feel filled these things sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Valkyries were the beaten team on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but they weren't the beaten team where they hung their heads and they look like Jake Moody, missing field goals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that was not the Valkyries, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They look like Ryan Walker, blowing saves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Valkyries are like, yeah, they got us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we have this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: where we play so much better at home than we do on the road.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we, the vibe and what's the new word that everyone uses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the aura, all of those things were going to be in their favor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that was just, that was, that was my reason why.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that they, they just locked in on all of those things tonight, which was really fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they probably have the best home court advantage in the league and I know people are going to point at like Minnesota's record at home, but given the personnel they have and what they, you know, you hear it, you, you literally like hear it, I think I think it's the best home court advantage in the W and of course.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the team they're playing in the first round probably as the second best home court advantage to them or Indiana.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just a lot of like, just again, I go back to a terrible match up for them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They hang their hat on defense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They hope that you don't have a better defense than them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this was one of the two teams that had a better defense than them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, you, you, I'm telling you, you cannot ask for reasonably asked for any much more than what they did tonight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: course the one quarter that they never have it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you do you have any thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Has anything changed on what you thought about the playoffs based on the first round so far?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think the you know it's tough when like a player you tell that you can tell they get hurt but then they

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you're like moving right, but like, you look like, you know, you don't look like you're wencing every time you move.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I'm mainly talking about Brianna Stewart here with our pick that New York is going to...

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[SPEAKER_02]: win the five four matchup against Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I switch my opinion now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that with with Brianna going down like there was just like a, you know, there was just they were just out for blood.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Phoenix was against New York.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I got to watch that whole game and just saw to sobly downhill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Instead of just trying to shoot jumpers is like you are such a talented player when you go to the rim, just make John Quill Jones have to worry about you and Alyssa Thomas at the rim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that changed the game and I just don't know how.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If with a injured periota steward with M. Amisaman who's not that good on the on on perimeter defense like I don't know what fix they have for it, so I'd switch my opinion there and say Phoenix and then I'd still take the favorites side I but

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think we just gave like I, you know, Coach Cheryl Reeve was saying like we treat this team like they could be to anyone.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She might have said that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't feel like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, it's all fun and games like, you know, the the stud buds did they're like, did like a very

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[SPEAKER_02]: like an iconic stream.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it was yesterday or two days ago where Natasha Heidman gets glammed up by DJ Nick Harrington and it just goes absolutely viral.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And in my head, I'm like, man, they don't, they're not worried about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think we woke them up and I think we actually just did a good service to the Minnesota links who are now woken up and will probably dominate the rest of the playoffs no question in my mind So yeah, I think I'd say I'd say all the top seeds win Phoenix included and then you have a Las Vegas Minnesota finals and I think Minnesota probably takes care of business there but I hope for it to be entertaining we gotta get that finals

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[SPEAKER_01]: we got to get Nefisa in Asia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like they're dating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have, and of course, I always think about marketing stories when it comes to this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the stat was viewership was up 6% this year from last year, which is kind of crazy because there was no Kate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think some of that had to do

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[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit of just the high like you brought in new viewers last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now how many of them brought an entirely new fan base to how many of them churned out and how many of them stayed like the obviously some of them stayed for them to increase and you know we saw obviously golden state.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least locally, they, I'm going to guess that, along with, they're all the sellouts that they probably did pretty good local viewership as well, even though the KPI X broadcast sucks broadcast look a little weird today and it was the ESPN broadcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, am I watching a local broadcast right now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just, you know, they didn't, it looked weird.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It felt a little farther out like the view than what I'm used to at a chase.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if it had anything to do with the sap center and that's what they don't have basketball generally 100% think it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, use the new ESPN app, which is very cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't watch enough ESPN to necessarily take advantage of it, but I like the little features in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very intuitive, like, you know, new age 20s, 25 kind of app, or you

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in California, it's illegal, so we wouldn't be able to do it, but yeah, just really, really good stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, man, I think at the end of the day, if you are trying to do, you know, the narrative is, here's our two top players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: best to seven, and it'd be great if that actually went to a game seven, and then next year, you have these two historic players in Asia and Fisa, and then on this side, you got you know, Caitlin and Paige, and then marketing wise, you're like, okay, like y'all are all of the best right now, but we're coming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that kind of thing, I love

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[SPEAKER_01]: that kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be for me, the marketing dream to be able to do stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm hopeful for Neficent Asia, I think it would bring the highest level of visibility that you can without a Caitlyn Clark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but they've learned how to deal without her this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've had the most of the season has been without Caitlyn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, she's going to come back next year with something to prove a little bit of a chip on her shoulder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I hope she plays unrivaled because that if she doesn't, she wouldn't have had played basketball for such a long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's not playing overseas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if she wasn't injured, that's the only thing is that because if she gets what unrivaled in January,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know, but what if she gets hurt again, and then she misses out on some of the season, that won't be great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I know she doesn't need like, of course, she doesn't need like the the dollars, but when you just go so long without playing, she hasn't played since before the All Star Break, and then she won't play again until.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, if she doesn't play any offseason basketball, like competitive basketball, whenever the season starts and like May, like that's a long time when you're able to play because she's not playing overseas, um, you know, it's a shorter schedule than the NBA like those guys, you know, playing October through sometimes June and then you play again in October.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like it's not that much of an offseason.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I think the WMBA was pretty.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh reactionary to changing some stuff as a result of last postseason and the first thing was that giving in the first round giving the away team a home game in the second game and the reason they did that was because Caitlin Clark didn't get a home game against Connecticut last year it's very reactionary and then they changed um the finals from five to seven because of how could the finals were last year and wins of five and we all wanted seven and they changed it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wish the NBA would be a little reactionary like that sometimes and I'd say this first one home run how many people are going to be watching game three me included like it's going to be I'm going to be glued to my TV screen to watch all those game threes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we are going to take a little bit of a break and probably just come back next week had had the Valkyries one we would have been back after game three but they're not and so we'll do our normal time frame next week sometime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: May have to be Wednesday because I think I'm headed to your neck of the woods and we're going to go see a movie on Thursday night, so it may have to be Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so, you know, we'll kind of wrap things up here and we have a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be so much news with the off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw you posted in the discord Richard Cohen's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... he is his website they put together a free agent like free agent list or something so that i mean that you know for us now it's free agencies and now it's the postseason or the uh... off season but so do there's a miss so much talk about trades like we put up the uh... the angel rease short

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[SPEAKER_01]: the the other day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We we had a side conversation a couple of shows ago about, you know, if Angel shook loose and wanted to come to Golden State with the Valkyries be interested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And lots of comments on the on the short about how much of not a great fit that that she would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, I think it's because people see her as very one dimensional.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they see this current team as like the how the offense flows and stuff and they kind of wonder, but

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know I think people see here as a locker room cancer and I was trying to say that's not the case You can't draw that conclusion so fast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't I didn't see I only saw one person mentioned that the other folks in the in the comments specifically mentioned fit on offense But yeah, so I mean it's stuff like that

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be the talk of this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about all of the little things that you may hear and look, this is the first time that the Valkyries are going to be in the mix for some of these players and who like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which of the big timers, which of the big time players came into San Francisco was like wow this thing is kind of first class all the wicks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Joe Lick, it may be banking on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like, you know, we'll see what the CBA, but it's not like today, you can pay someone so much more than what their value is or so much more than another team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like Joe can just go

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think if the cap increases and if the salaries increase like we think, he is one of the owners who's not going to be afraid to pay top dollar for the right talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's going to be some owners who are a little bit worried about finances who may not want to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... pay top dollar for certain players and i don't the gold and save batteries will be the beneficiary of those other organizations so that's going to be something fun will do draft stuff will have can roto back on here to talk draft so it's going to be a really really fun off season because like you said there's a lot of months until the next season starts but we'll have college hoop will be able to talk about college hoop a little bit

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I I'm going to need to pick a team like I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what team I'm going to kind of keep my eye on last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I tried to keep an eye on Connecticut and USC, but now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Judges not going to be playing for most of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I have to find a team to kind of like sell their line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they're on TV a lot in any way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can see it gets you a lot of dawn, but all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to wrap this up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And thanks to everybody who popped in for the stream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And also don't be, don't be sad that the Valkyries season is over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They, it was like the coolest season I've ever watched.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if it's not, you were going to say, just be glad that it happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lot to look forward to we got we got a number four you stay coming to play next season another thing we're going to get to see her and well it's she going to she's got to move to the US that's a whole thing that's yeah I hope I hope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The WMBA does more stuff like the NBA does with like these little documentaries about the rookies and their adjustments and I would love to see stuff on you stay and have some stuff on the WMBA but yeah how she translates and how you know she's got to change her up and her lifestyle and and come play now she doesn't have to stay here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for for the whole season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just during the season, but still that's that's just a jump for someone who's as young as she is as well and and you got some values to what the unrivaled roster additions haven't been announced yet, I think that's on like the 23 to September or something, but I bet we can almost pencil in Veronica's going to play on arrival, do have a couple of entries playing on arrival, the couple overseas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The women's basketball like the no-off season pot suggests is never stops.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's no-off season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You go from WMBA right to college, right back to WMBA with an unrivaled season in there during the college season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just non-stop.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So always stuff to watch, you know, we got the 8th pick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, I think we're going to have some suitors for a free agency that will want to join.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm really interested to see when those conversations start up because unrivaled makes

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[SPEAKER_02]: They start talking in some of those players' ears and hey, you want to come to San Francisco.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's really fun, but you just a lot of things to look forward to for this team that's literally only up from here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So good season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, like I said, we'll be back next week for the rest of this network.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rod and I will be back sometime Sunday evening Monday morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't fully decided yet with we want winners as the 49ers play the Arizona Cardinals this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Brad and I will be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe on Monday with Thompson and Clark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Giants squeaked one out today,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Deary on I believe is how you pronounce the name who said we're gonna be back better than ever next season go valks agreed agreed I mean that you know that they should be better even if

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they have a, even if they had a, have a similar season, they're so only going to be in their second season, but I think we all think that they're kind of like at least improving a little bit because this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll have a bar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this first season kind of created everything you just build up from here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now they have a bar, let's win a playoff round next year, you know, you get Caleb back and you have all the returners, hopefully a couple of additions and you stay and draft pick that they get and then a couple for agents and yeah, just go get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And on the audio side, if you're listening to this, I've thrown an invite to the discord in the show notes on the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're interested in joining the discord, we're letting a few people in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So make sure you click on that and just come hang out with us, going to be some NBA NBA playoff chats going on in there, hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all right, he was a great season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pad Hala.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did it for covering the valkers in their first season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll be back at some point next week with the Golden State hoop podcast where we will talk valkries on our pod holla segment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll also talk warriors as I think the warriors getting a camp in like two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's coming soon as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, for Brai, I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you when we see you peace out.