Valkyries Playoff Loss: Nakase's Comments, Where the Game Went Wrong & Game 2 Preview | Podhalla

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is our very first recap episode of Padahala Playoff recap game one, the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They really did get smoked today by the Minnesota Lynx.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was pretty confident in the things that we said on yesterday when we did our preview pod about what the what the possibilities of what could happen and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they didn't shoot threes very well and Minnesota did and they couldn't get, they couldn't get into an offense that allowed them to consistently score after the first quarter was over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And those are some of the things that we talked about, not saying that we are the, uh, no stradomas of, uh, of the Valkyries, but I think the way that the game played out,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was kind of how you thought it would play out, unless the Valkyries played in A plus basketball game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What were your thoughts?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're just kind of immediate thoughts thinking about the game from a few hours ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think it was the worst matchup for them, and you just think about losing those last three games of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be at two of them to Minnesota, one of them to Seattle, and you just win one of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you don't have to play Minnesota in the first round of the WMBA playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Valkyries hang their hat on just being a better defense than most teams, and they're able to win games via defense, but there's only two teams in the league that have a better defense than them per defensive rating and Minnesota's one of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was just always a bad matchup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we kind of highlighted last part on just the interest in seeing what Nikase was going to do in response to some of the last games they played against Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think coming out of the first quarter was like some of the best basketball I've ever seen from them in terms of defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Minnesota just zips the ball around and it's hard to keep up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're just kind of falling behind the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... just keep going around the world because because you're always behind but there was a few times we're like just to help defense was incredible like Veronica Burton made like a football catch to steal a ball from the right corner to go on a fast break and it just looked almost a video game ask of how well they were playing defense because

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I play NBA 2K with my friends and the way we play defense in our in our competitive league sometimes is just like it's just like humanly impossible to to be ahead that much because it's a video game and I felt like they were doing some of that stuff so I was really impressed in the first quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a certain someone subbed in and it's not the certain someone's fault, but I feel like that was the shift for when.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the game was at a reach already in like the second quarter because if you look at kind of the quarter spreads, it was like first quarter, they won both teams scored in the 20s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can third and fourth quarter, they never scored 20 points again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think you're talking about Kate Martin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was looking at the play by play to see when she actually came in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She actually came in mid first quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she played in some of those good minutes when the Valkyries had the lead at the end of the first quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was her second sub in where she played and then they just lost the lead and the other team never looked back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Kate's plus minus,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was the worst bench plus minus on the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She also played the fourth highest minutes on the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was it's so funny because when we were talking about this on Saturday, I said to me, this is a bad matchup for Kate just because of the athleticism of either other team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes when I think that Nicosia goes to her very early in the game and she plays a lot of minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's literally what happened on Sunday or this morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought they picked on her that they immediately picked on her defensively you see all the action that that Minnesota does and like you said they zip the ball around which creates so many opportunities for them to drive and what the Vulta Valkyries tried to do is they tried to run some zone sets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now when you don't have the same athleticism as the other team, I think that's probably a pretty smart thing to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when the other team passes as well, as Minnesota does, and those same non-athletic legs are trying to come out to the perimeter, you get there a second late, and then they see that as a lane to drive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this was the blueprint, I'm sure of what Minnesota said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we know that they played us close in some of these games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is a different level of basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are going to play our A level game because this is, this is our revenge tour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm glad in a sense that the Valkyries got smacked in the face because it was almost like a wake-up call going like the regular season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You guys had a great regular season, great story, nice story.

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[SPEAKER_01]: yet turn it on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they they had they they played well in the first quarter and I'm sure to Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They probably thought, yeah, they had energy, but we also didn't play well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And once we were able to figure it out, then we just pulled away like I don't know what the what the score was after the first quarter, but it had to be something like 80 to 50 or 90 to 50 or something like that because it it just was never close again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just kept getting

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[SPEAKER_01]: further and further and further away in the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was almost like, um, at some moments of the game, I was like, wait, do Minnesota's buckets, you know, on us four points or two points, because how does this lead building so quickly?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just would not miss shots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They, they were hitting open threes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heiderman had maybe the best game of her career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't have a

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[SPEAKER_01]: hitting the three herd and Courtney Williams just jumping passing things like they knew where the valkers were throwing the ball before the valkers knew where they were throwing the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all of that you just kind of put that in a stew and it was the perfect game for the links and the worst possible case scenario for the valkers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the problem with

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of the regret of how they ended the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is why when I said, I'm not really that disappointed because that's kind of what a a young team in experience team does is that they have to learn how to win those big games before they can win those big games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when it came down to crutch time, the last three games of the season, and everyone is, you know, Seattle and the Valkyries, both saw that second to last game of the season as kind of like the beginning of the playoffs and Seattle had just a little bit more to win that game, but now I think the Valkyries have to sort of go, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not the cuddly team, you know, violet will be there, but we got to get me and we kind of got to get a little nastier because they are pushing us around at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were not only jumping passing lanes, but in the fees of call yours in the post.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these reps are letting her do a lot of stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe we need to do some of that stuff back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really interested to see how they respond at home because that's what we were talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How now they have a home game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can actually try and channel that energy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But some of this is going to be, there may be some little strategic things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And some of it is going to be, you just have to play the best game of your life in order to beat these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Minnesota,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is the 2016 warriors and how do you beat the 2016 warriors?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to like play your best ultimate game to beat them, especially when you're a slightly above 500 team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, 2016 where you're lost in the finals, but they lost to LeBron James and lose to like they're going to use Asia Wilson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you was that it's possible, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's possible because Asia Wilson can raise her game to that level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's proven it before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's seeing how you do that and then she goes, okay, I know how to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The vouchers don't know how to do that yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They might not even be able to, man, like you say that, you know, they're the young team that hasn't figured out how to get over the hump of some of those big games, like they've been in those games all year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just been like, it's a mallet wise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So different in the regular season, though, like you did have you seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A team play that good in the regular season as Minnesota did I'm talking about the last three games of the season not this game just like they didn't win the last three either and it's just, you know, they don't have the fourth quarter closer and that's always going to be an excuse, but it's so valid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but somebody it takes somebody to step up and do it and like this is why I brought up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to try and put this team on my back a little bit and she had a fantastic game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would she have 22 in that game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We both noted while we were watching the game that Veronica Burton looks tired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's having to chase around these women who are

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[SPEAKER_01]: just lightning speed around the basketball court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're also pounding her as she's bringing the ball up, the basketball court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how do you do that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe a switch is something that you've talked about all season long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: play more Carlin, Veronica Burton together, because then Veronica doesn't have to handle the basketball all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She has to come off the ball a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She has too much responsibility on both sides of the ball and Kyla Charles is able to give her some defensive, take some defensive pressure off the table from her because Kyla starts on Courtney Williams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Veronica starts on Caleb McBride.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When Charles comes out,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nicosi doesn't trust Martin to be guarding William.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, then she'll put Burton on Courtney Williams, the lead guard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then so, now Veronica has lost her, like, kind of help on deep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She has to be guarding the best guard on defense, and then do all the work on offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's just too much, too much responsibility, which kind of, like, leads to, like, the only way they have a fighting chance is if Tiffany Hayes comes back in my opinion,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Natalie is not playing, you know, Carlo that many minutes, you know, and she's swapping basically Kate and and Charles because of the absence of Tiffany Hayes like that Tiffany kind of is able to do a little bit of both of what they're both able to do like, you know, I we know that her three point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: percentage, maybe if you grab a filter of a window towards the end of the season, it looks a lot different probably than what the overall number looks like if it's still in the 40s, but she just gives that rim pressure to attack the rim.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's a playmaker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She can play defense too and she can shoot three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, it's like, I don't know if people realize how much of a loss this is in terms of just, you know, what she could bring to the table and what her replacements are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and there's not the dog on the people who played in her absence, but it's just you're we're talking about someone who had she started at the beginning of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She might have been our all star, not Kayla Thornton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I think that's that's something as well because I think and I think with Kate too, as I think, I don't know if this has been a recurring theme throughout the season, but I felt like when I watched that game, is that she needed some time in the

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[SPEAKER_00]: To be because I thought towards the end of the game, she was actually like solid and getting better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But to be what she needs to be in the league as that specific role player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She needs to come in ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She needs to come in doing that stuff and not need the five to 10 minutes playing time to kind of like get into the groove of things before you feel good to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's more on the starter side, I guess, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of things, a lot of things, like if I look at some of the rotation stuff here, what I, when I was texting you and J.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like Veronica Burton hasn't gotten a breather yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't realize Janelle also did not get sub, like was the same as Veronica and just didn't get subbed out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Janelle played 36 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she was only off the court for four minutes of the game for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was just to end the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't, they didn't get subbed out until they were subbed out for the rest of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was in it was in the fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, if he's a call, you're after Kate kind of she got Kate got found a three point line Kate falls on the pieces right angle and the piece to kind of tweaks it and Cheryl Reeve just pulled her rest of the game didn't was didn't have worry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like in the middle of the third quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't come back in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They still got that score.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how plus minus lies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was only a plus 11 in the visa.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was a plus 11.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of Smith was a plus 31.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the teacher, I'm in was a plus 32.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the teacher, I'm in plus 32.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Plus my lying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was legitimate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what my eyes saw, but if he's a call, you're in Caleb McBride only being plus 11.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, wait, how?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They must have, some of that was the first quarter though, where the Valkyries did, the Valkyries were up double digits in the beginning of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think most of us thought, okay, it's not going to last.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to get punched in the face and then how do they respond to being punched in the face?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't respond very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They only shot the Valkyries shot 34% compared to Minnesota shooting 52% and we go to this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the one single story of the season when they can actually shoot the three ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They play better than when they don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's every team, but specifically them because their offense is so dictated around, you know, open threes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm trying to think of how many were made in the in the first quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing close probably half or a little less than half nine for 31 so 29% and the flip side is Minnesota links 10 for 24 41.7% Minnesota only had made three going into the half to So seven of those 10 came in the second half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'll get turnovers, 16 for the Valkyries, only 11 for the links.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Veronica Burton had seven of those.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lots of these cross-court passes that get picked off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And their pick six is all the way to the other side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a few of those steals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The links had twice as many steals, 13 to six and assists, 25, 17.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just a thorough butt kicking all the way around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, see, the thing, like, as a warriors fan, like, I'm not comparing the valkers to the warriors because they're two different organizations the way that this team's are built.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the warriors, when they made the playoffs the first year with Steph and they beat Denver and then they lost to San Antonio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was kind of their like awakening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: these guys that are actually have a possibility of be good and then the next year they played and they went into the LA and they lost in seven games and so it's almost like that they they snuck up on people the first year that second year they were expected to be good and the clippers were like no you get you it's not your

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[SPEAKER_01]: really get to where they were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they had to get their butts kicked in heart breaking fashion to loot to get to where they were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of how this thing works.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very rare that a team just kind of goes in there and is like, hey, first time we're in the playoffs, we're just going to play our best basketball ever because it's just hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different level of basketball and Minnesota turned it on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what the other thing was is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they were not quiet about how well they were play home crowd was rockin Courtney Williams just having the best time and telling everybody how how happy she was like that is the other thing that the links have they just have that swagger they have that confidence they have the thought process of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once we do this thing and this thing and this thing, we're getting on a run and good luck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the stuff that you have when you're so talented and when you're a team that was in the WMBA finals last year and who rightfully thought that they probably should have won game seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's bumps in the road and for the Valkyries I think most important thing for them is to come out on Wednesday

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[SPEAKER_01]: and just play good basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether they win or lose, like they could lose by 10 points on Wednesday, but if they play a really good game, I think that they could take so much out of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they get boat races in their own place, then you're gonna go into the offseason thinking, like, okay, how much of this wasn't real, how much of this was, you know, kind of like a good story,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they play good on Wednesday and they can go into the offseason if they lose, they can go into the offseason with their heads up high and thing like, okay, we got something here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's how that's how Lake up and then we're going to see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's part of any look, we know that not everyone's going to come back to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So some of this is just going to be a great story first team ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, some of we're going to have to say goodbye to some of

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[SPEAKER_01]: that like this is why I'm I wasn't really phased with this loss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of like okay this is the varsity team beat in the junior varsity team and kicking their butts and telling them that they're kicking their butts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how does the junior varsity team bounce back?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How does the eight seed bounce back in their own home?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I want to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what's most important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it sounds like you think that what happened this morning is probably going to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think you're kind of looking at it from a perspective of like the long-term plan instead of like can they get can they win this series and with that like yeah I'm not rocked by the world we both said to and barbecue that's what we both said yeah but I had said it I said last podcast that if they wanted a chance to win game two game one couldn't be a boat race and I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think yeah, maybe maybe it's within ten and game two, but I've kind of lost hope for a win because it's like, what are the changes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, it's just like as Tiffany Hayes going to be available or not at this point, like that's kind of where and even if she is available, notally, does not just throw you into the sharks, you know, you saw with Zandalisi and he came back, it was like a ramp up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's it's pretty much toast, but I think that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what they could take from just some of the first quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think that the values being that Minnesota has, you know, a better defense than, of course, a better offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the best team in the league, they're probably gonna win the championship, but that first quarter, and maybe, you know, 90 to 85% of that first quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: it was just the defense was just out of this world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just like kind of feeling like can the Valkyries only afford to have one bad defender out there at a time because everyone on Minnesota barring a couple players that play in the rotation maybe just Bridget Carlton even even Bridget Carlton take when you can create an advantage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bridget Carlton doesn't necessarily create an advantage, but she did a couple times because they were just like sitting on her shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She pump fakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She gets some ghost of the bracket creates an advantage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and she did that against Chetchi a couple times actually his who it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just like, you know, again, I feel like the change was when Kate came in, even though maybe the numbers didn't look like it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like they started to kind of lose that defensive momentum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, offensively they might have kind of brought it back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's where I saw the slip is when Kate came in and I don't think it's false.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's Kate's fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, uh, you know, I got substitutions, like I don't know, it's just a bad matchup for her in the bad match of her that my blame probably goes to Natalie a little bit because it's like we we said this you said this last podcast and I was interested on what the coach of the years changes were going to be and those defensive that started the defensive start they had I was like this is the damn coach of the year like this is why because she figured it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I didn't think they were going to win the game, but I thought that it would be more competitive like how most of the matchups throughout the year were, and I know this is playoff, start regular season, you know, the last game of the year, they kind of boat racist, they were trying to show us, like this is what the playoff is going to look like, and then they did it in the first game, but the game, the matchups before that were kind of close, they were able to kind of keep, keep it in, keep in the matchup, and I thought that, you know, maybe with those defensive changes they made,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is just when you when Kate came in, she didn't replace Chetchie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She replaced Charles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you have two bad defenders out there in Kate and Chetchie because they were hiding Chetchie on Bridget Carlton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kate had to go in guard either hide him in or or McBride at forcing Veronica to have to guard Courtney and then it just felt like that's where everything went out out of whack and again, you can contribute that to Tiffany A's is here, then you don't have to do that and kind of falls back to that on for me, but um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, you know, looking at it from a can they win the series perspective, this game was just indicative of what's going to happen if they're even as a game three or I don't think they'll be a game three, but I think you get boat racing game one, you're you're going to lose game two, so it's just what can they change to make that a closer game like you said can you go out on a high note into the off season, of course the win would be the greatest high note, but yeah, even keeping it within, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: couple possessions would be great for the team spirit, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Initially, they've of course hated their ultra competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We all love that about that team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think you'd be very happy with a couple possessions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we all go sit on our couch and watch Minnesota run through every single team except for Las Vegas if that happens to be the matchup in the finals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk about the starting lineup change because Chechie did start, which meant Rupert went to the bench.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rupert didn't even really play that much, so I don't know what they think about her in this match up necessarily.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was the change and and here's the other thing about Natalie is this is also her first time in the playoffs every possession matter so much more when you are in a three game series you know you're not just trying to win a position in the ranking so that you can qualify for the playoffs now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: every game has a direct effect to the series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Guess what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is door-dive for the Valkyries and it is not door-dive for the links.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if this game this game too is a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so every game is so much more important in the pressure and when you got Joe Lakeups that know where they're going like, hey man, we need to win a championship in five years and you get to the playoffs in the first year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a that's a

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, Joe's kind of going like, huh, maybe I sandbag the goal a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the maybe three years, maybe it's maybe five years is too long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying that that's what he's saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they got there so quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now expectations are a little bit higher for what you can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for Natalie, she's got to make some, you know, I'm sure she's gonna spend

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[SPEAKER_01]: the next two days, just watching tape, watching this game, watching Minnesota, who played Minnesota well, who guarded, and if he's a collar well, because you watch, and if he's a collar in the post, she's not soft down there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She gets her position and she doesn't give it up, and I think there are moments and we can actually talk about this now, because I saw you sent me the note.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, where Natalie was talking about the officiating and she was saying how unfair it was, some of this is also play off basketball home hometown home cooking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're in the year at Minnesota who has a bunch of championships in their history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there are things stacked against the vouchers being the expansion team, but what did you think of Natalie's excuse for?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that she said this was the only reason they lost, but it was a reason for her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will say I didn't listen to the clip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just read the header, which is always like, you know, you could be missing context,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think every game in the WMBA is poorly officiated because I just don't think the referees are that great, but I think for what I've seen throughout the season, there were just like a few that I was like, you know, you have share or even the Minnesota team like yelling on the sideline travel travel, I think most of those were even travels, but there is just like a few things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't, I, I'm trying to find the free throw count.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What it was?

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... the free throw count was uh... valks actually got to the free throw in a lot they they got their twenty seven times and minnesota got their twenty four times okay so some of this was late though carla like carla had four late she only played uh... eight minutes and she had four

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, Drew, I remember those.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was Chetchie seven for seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me two for four Veronica five for five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kate five for seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of it was on that three pointer that you mentioned and Carla four for four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you take away some of those late ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they're a free throw or two below Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but no, I just, I just felt like, um, the issue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was the substitutions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't have the answer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have the proposed solution just because I feel like it is the absent absence of Tiffany Hayes that would kind of solve a lot of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a healthy midseason form Tiffany Hayes that we saw this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're going to get that even if she plays in

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm kind of confused why it felt like Kate was the only non starter that had a longer leash, whereas everyone else kind of felt like one mistake in your out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Mo Billings felt that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like that with Carla, um, I'm trying to think if an over pair got a got a little bit 17, but some of that was late as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 17 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would like to see more Mo Billings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, you look at some of those games against Asia and again, some of the better post players like most kind of strong, you know, she's pretty strong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like to see if if not was just like telling her like just stay patient stay patient she's going to pump she's going to pump and it's probably going to be some type of lean fade in the middle of the pain so just stay patient until that because I feel like Janelle is a little too slow to keep up with some of those quick pumps whereas whereas Mo has the strength and maybe a little bit of the speed to do it too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I will just see if she has like the patients to not jump at some of those

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that that I that would be my thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like more mo, but then again that doesn't fix the issue of it's one guard position that we don't have a lock on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We that we aren't confident with one specific guard position, and that's the shooting guard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're missing Tiffany Hayes, you're missing Kayla Thorne, like what would it have looked like if it was Veronica Burton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kayla Thorne, Janelle Salon, Xandalsini and Tammy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you win the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you have no defensive issues besides Xandalucini on Bridget, and it just feels like, you know, there's a different result there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they could have, you know, Yeah, I would have liked that more just because Kayla's one of the best offenders in league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, of course, you listen all star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's meaningful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if Kyle Charles was a better offensive player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: she kind of answers that for Natalie, but because she struggles today, she was one of six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there have been moments where she actually had hit the three, well, she's not a terrible three point shooter, by the way, she shoots about 34%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, as that like one attempt per game, if not, she doesn't shoot it a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can tell she doesn't have complete confidence in it, but if she did more offensively,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Natalie would lean on playing her more, but she's in consistent offensively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes she can be, she can show lack of aggressiveness, like one of the times that she went into the, uh, she penetrated today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She got there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then she saw some long arms as she got to the bucket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She did that thing that she has done a lot of times this year, which is instead of going into the contact and trying to get the foul, she kind of goes away and tries to throw like a looping layup that I don't think it's, you know, maybe it's fallen a couple times, but she does she in situations,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought Veronica Burton was a little oddly, um, not aggressive to shoot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was, she, you know, she'd have that two on two game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She'd get close to the middle, but her, what she wanted to do was make a past to Temi rather than go into the contact and try and score.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She did that multiple times for turnovers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think she also needs to have it in her head.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that if I'm going to the hoop, I have to be an option to score so that they respect the other thing because they were not respecting her scoring so they were playing back and they were trying to intercept that past knowing that that's what she wanted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, Veronica Burton, she's got to be tired as all heck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's playing so many minutes, but you know, that would be one thing that

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's she's so strong and quick and if she just takes that that shot and tries to get the file.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She make it to three to lunch because she's next to them, free to shoot her as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that slows Minnesota's opportunity to run a fast break on the other end because these turnovers and these mislay ups and these mis threes when the rebounds are bouncing all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All it does is create opportunity for a very athletic team to get out on the fast break and get lay ups.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I do wonder if they will try and slow the game down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a little bit to take advantage of maybe just the fact that, you know, they don't have the athletes necessarily to get up and down with with Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have the Natalie quote, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is from Maria and Jen or mercenaries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: her her chronicle right up of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, I think she's doing an AMA on Reddit tomorrow, Merises.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she has the quote, which is based on the fact that they played really well in the first quarter and then Natalie thought that the officiating killed their momentum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she said, we're shooting daylights and they're not shooting well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then all of a sudden, the fouls are being called on our end where we can't even get a shot off and then they're shooting free throws.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I got a T because at what point is it going to be fair?

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[SPEAKER_00]: When she got the T, I, I vaguely remember like the play, and I think it was justified.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was kind of a weird like how why did that get called type of thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those happen all the time in WMB games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Cheryl Reeve even had a quote that she was not happy with the officiating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm just like guys, what do we do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she's going to get, she's probably going to get fined because then she then went on to say we're playing the best team in the league, they don't need no help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This team is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're stacked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They play well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They play beautiful basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're coached well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't need their help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're meeting the referees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw it as, okay, let me, I don't think Natalie's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: necessarily, meaningfully just blaming the referees, I think what she's doing is she's trying to take some pressure off of her team who just got boat raised and in some of that you lay the blame or me, you know, maybe she could even take the blame herself in a sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What I saw it was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: big, big sis against Lil Cisco and like, yeah, it's in the regular season, you know, you play this well, but this is the time that matters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were just more physical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were the more physical team they know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've talked about this when we talked about the Warriors during the NBA playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know

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[SPEAKER_01]: that when the NBA playoffs start, the officiating changes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The players are allowed to be way more physical in the playoffs than they are in the regular season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I saw a little bit of that in this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The regular season calls that they would get, maybe they didn't get, and the physicality was allowed to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now you have to adjust, and that this is what I said in the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see,

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[SPEAKER_01]: When Nefisa goes in the post and she's just grabbing and pushing and holding and getting wide and not being moved, take a foul, like push her out of the way, just show her, hey, you're not just going to plant here and move me, like I can move you to who who can move her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they have a player who can move her, but that's got to be the mentality, which is

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we learned a lesson in game one, and we're gonna fight back a little bit harder in game two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that was a lot to say, but I'm not saying that at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, I mean, I think you're right, like I think that's she does that a lot where she, you know, Steve Kurt doesn't too, right, he just goes out there and says it's my fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you know, he doesn't say they all do it to an extent, but Twitter's killing Kate, Twitter's killing maybe Burton a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I'm not killing any of those points in the easy bullseye.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's an easy bullseye because you saw how many layups that she gave up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if she would have hit more threes on the other end, then maybe you cut her some slack, but she made the one, I think that was in the, I don't remember when, but she stroked it, but you know, she, she did not add.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the idea of Kate is very tempting for an offense, because

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is a very confident shooter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is going to put the ball up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if that part of the game isn't working, I think you got to cut beta early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, if Kyle Charles is making baskets and is being aggressive, then she kind of forces the thing and you don't go to Kate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we see a little bit of Carla like we were saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is the part of this series where if Natalie can make some adjustments or maybe Natalie goes, you know what we can play this way, we just need to play a little bit better in a little bit harder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's good like the her first substitution.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On Wednesday's game is going to be studied.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to watch that thing very closely because I want to see if she what she sees and maybe if Tiffany Hayes is back, maybe maybe that's just the the change is that Tiffany Hayes is going to play, you know, as many minutes as she possibly can and we don't really have to worry about that, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know that that'll be something it this is you know this is so it's it's been such a fun thing talking about this team and I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we are not WNBA experts in a sense in that we haven't been watching for, you know, I've been watching the NBA since I think I said 1983 and you were trying to remember when you started watching, but it's been a long time, but we haven't been there with the WNBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I am trying to be very thoughtful in some of my critiques because

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not the expert here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am trying to learn this game and catch up to speed as quickly as possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also know that the regular season was the regular season and you want to be, you don't want to rag on players because that's not really what this was about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is our team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're so happy to have them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when playoff time comes,

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[SPEAKER_01]: how do fans react, how do the people who cover this team, how do the podcasters, which are not really have to worry about folks like us, we're just, we're explaining our fandom and what we saw, but we're doing it in a community way, like we have some listeners, we try and talk about the game in a way that's fun and enjoyable and engaging.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kate, Kate Martin's I can listen to our show and go, oh man, they were bagging on me like that's not what this is about and I am

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[SPEAKER_00]: What, I started this whole thing by saying I certain someone came in and I don't blame the certain someone I was more so going to get to the point of saying like I just thought that it was more on the substitutions in the nature of the substitutions, but then again it's like the person now like I can't even blame anyone it just feels like it's and not that I want to blame someone it's more so just like there was a clear moment where the game shifted and we weren't able to recover so I'm just kind of looking at that moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but my point more so was with the Twitter people was, you know, they're in their honeymoon stage, the Valkyries as a, as our team as the Bay Area's WMBA team, you're not going to see a lot of people really pile on like the Warriors fans, pile on the Warriors when they got for those women's mental health, right, right for everybody's mental health,

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[SPEAKER_01]: it can get really bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it will be intensified in these playoffs because it's just more meaningful basketball and the fans want so desperately to know that this Valkyrie season wasn't a pretend season like it was real like those moments that we had where we got to see them play and we had a great time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those moments were real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But this is a wake-up call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is this is exactly

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't think that this was a much of a surprise for us, but now what about game two?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of where I sit is what about game two, how can they make adjustments, how can they make that game competitive where this game was not competitive?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's, I just don't think through the eighth best team in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're probably the sixth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so it's just like, I, you know, they're expected to lose this series, but had it been in, you know, Atlanta had it been Phoenix had it been New York, maybe they're actually win a series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but you made me think about something that actually doesn't even relate to the play off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll make it quick is that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We listen to that Veronica Burton interview by Zena and I, my takeaway was like, damn, it's just like, these WMBA players can be like so vulnerable and it feels so genuine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I wish the MBA was kind of like, that's what kind of sometimes gives me the WMBA edge over the MBAs, like these players just feel so much more like relatable and human real and human and then I thought about it more and I was like, well,

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[SPEAKER_00]: MBA players have been vulnerable and they've just gotten killed for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that they just are, you know, probably told by their teams like don't give them an inch because there's also a area, I mean, take advantage of you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also a male female thing about it, right, that you know, they're in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, you know, Kat said Carl in any town says any word and he just gets absolutely killed and why is it though because as a male basketball player, the fans expect him to be tough and the Spravado and you can't be soft and you know, because that's that's the league and in the WMBA at least so far thankfully like the league is tough like these there's some hard fouls in these games

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[SPEAKER_01]: And these women bounce right back up and they keep playing, but you don't see the same narrative around these stereotypes about what a WNBA player is that you see in the men's game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's also, you know, and this is why I wanted us to be careful were dudes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: talking about a women's game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so for us to be a little bit more thoughtful about stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I remember I made a comment about something and you were like, I don't think we did it on air as like in the texture something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and we were kind of laughing because if I said that about a male basketball player, it's totally fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not something I want to say publicly about a female basketball player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a joke, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you said that, it's just a different environment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're thoughtful and you can separate those things, then I think that's the right way to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you don't have to be, you know, dude bro talking about this game, like maybe other people talk

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, did you get a I know you've been out all day so you haven't really seen any of the other games I saw the I saw a little bit of the Indiana and Atlantic game it looks I can't land it just ran away with it in the end I don't have an early lead but the the dream they ran away with it in the fourth quarter it looks like they 180 to 68 the Liberty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the one where we were kind of up in the air on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted over time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was an incredible game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They see all of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they stole home court, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They if they did, they've come back home with with a with a one-o-lead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The elicitum is just going to have like nightmares about a shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She missed and the game would have been the buzzer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, yeah, to end regulation and then she misses it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: New York calls time out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get a Sabrina heave that misses it to go to OT, but it had, you know, AT had a list of Thomas made that shot it and it was a good look, you know, she just kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of missed it and a list of Thomas and Dewanne Bonner were the only ones doing anything in OT.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You had a Koamakani not really able to shoot Satu Soble's field goals percentage was terrible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like three for like 18 or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was pretty rough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same with Kalea Copper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She scored the ball a little bit, but she was, I feel like towards the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She disappeared a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we took New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We took them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we even gave a number two or three,

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[SPEAKER_00]: taking game one on the road is very good for the upset.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if Phoenix is Phoenix,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they couldn't take that game to like, and we on a steward did go down and she did not actually hurt me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I do wonder if she's going to be available on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the other thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Roman, you know, New York has so many next woman up that did not really work in the regular season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you think that me some in, but I know that there's some defensive liability and they just have so many people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just like, how is it not flow that well without with the one cog missing when you have so many, I would the the Valkyries had

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[SPEAKER_00]: reserves like it might be different and then the last game starts right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Storm and Aces are about to start as we are ending this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So

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[SPEAKER_01]: Game 2 will be back at the end of that game and we'll go live and chat about game 2.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, we're not going to stop talking about this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if game 2 is the last game of their season, there's going to be so much to talk about in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's going to be so much to talk about with women's basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of go by there's like this podcast isn't slowing down, at least I don't think no there's so much stuff when it comes to this CBA negotiations when it comes to the expansion draft rules will probably do a show and try to have someone on like who we think they're going to protect and then of course when free agency hits going to be the most lucrative free agency ever because you have more money and everyone's a free agent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's going to be crazy to do an episode on and then the college season starts and we have now have the eighth pick in the draft I believe because five teams missed the playoffs two expansion teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's up to seven and we were the we were the eighth seed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we would be the eighth had had they had they gotten to where you would have wanted them to get to they would have got had to tend to pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to make a mention, you know, we'll probably keep mentioning this as long as as long as we're doing this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But our our our beta version of the discord, send me an email ggbsp and media dot com or just trying to make a really fun place talk about with his basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you if you want to join send me an email, we'll throw you in there and all right, this was the first one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, playoffs are great or different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just different than the regular season, the intensity is different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm very hopeful that the Valkyries bounce back, that they play, they, you know, they just play gritty, gritty basketball, which I think is, I think it is in them,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this game was a little bit of a shell shock kind of thing and and you kind of look at you go, okay, I got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know how I know what what it takes to play in this environment home crowd my prediction is they're going to play so much better in game two and play close game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they could actually pull it off, talk about the story of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is my prediction for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you predict for Veronica Burton to be on pace for 40 minutes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you think she gets a breather?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If she doesn't come out of the game, I would like to see someone else help with the ballhandling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that is also the hard part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's got a, you know, she, they're, they're so good defensively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the best defensive team in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and she's got to play against all these really uber quit guard so that is a lot on her plate i think i think she's got to play the most minutes on the team in order if you're gonna win the game she's the best player so she's gonna play a lot of minutes but how do you how do you give her some rest because on defense she's not gonna rest she's the head of the the snake

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[SPEAKER_01]: So can you do it a little bit on offense, can you, you know, we we talk about this with staff like how how do you structure the substitution patterns she did not come out today, maybe they'll maybe they'll figure out some Opportunity select Carla play a little bit and she can see what if they just give a chance shot, what if they're like You're not that bad on defense and you can kind of handle the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they do

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be the loudest ovation of this would be if in San Jose to if Caitlyn come on the loudest ovation people will be losing their mind Be crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I predict for a bigger Zandalist sceney game because I feel like she's steadily been improving and like this ramp up periods and she's gotten back

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Janelle was one of the two players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Tammy shot like 61% from the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Janelle was in the 40s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the only two players on the values is the shoot above 40% from the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want her to shoot more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want that to be a focus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's Anna Lassini in Salon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think having more volume on the scoring and or just on the field goal attempt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that would be, I predict that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that will build well for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we'll be back Wednesday evening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to come through and hang out and chop it up about the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have Thompson to Clark tomorrow with Brad Evans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be talking about the giants who do have a chance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just laid two eggs against the opportunity last two games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They they're still in the hunt for the wild card, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just a different story when they play Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so much like losing to the Dodgers is like actually three losses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's how that's how frustrated it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been getting a little brother for a while now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It feels like even when 2021 when I was so locked in and went to a game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is just what it is right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They still have a chance to make the wild card, but guess who they'll be playing if they make the wild card.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Dodgers, I think it's the Dodgers cheese.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not 100% sure, but I think that's how it will work, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I think it is, but all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll be back and come through to the Discord GG at BSPN Media.com for the invite.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, for Brian, I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you when we see you piece out.