Valkyries Offseason: Exit Interviews, Free Agency & Unrivaled | Kuminga's Decision Day & Curry's Top Player Rank | Golden State Hoop

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, we are live with Golden State whoop our combined warriors and Valkyries podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of the season of the Valkyries and the right in the middle of the WMVA playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we're about to kick off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe it's the 29th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe is on the Warriors open up camp for media day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is coming shortly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll talk about some Valkyries Brian listen to the exit interviews.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about what the players think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of unrestricted free agents

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk a little bit about whether or not they might go big game hunting in the free agent market.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On the way your side, you have to talk about JKD Day is coming for the decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Decision Day is coming for Jonathan coming up whether or not he accepts the qualifying offer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That deadline is October 1st.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know his agent's been out there in the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it come on with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess we didn't ask him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, and then we'll talk, well, we'll do a little fun poll that I saw Tim Bond-Temps did, and I want to get Brian's reaction to some of these questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But first, I've mentioned in the past, mostly on the Thompson to Clark podcast, that if you send us a review, a five-star review on Apple Podcasts, we will read it, and we will give you a shout out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this one is Valkyrie's related.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I decided to save it for this podcast so that we can shout out Jennifer in Berkeley who gave us a five star says love the Valk's coverage, great Valkyrie's coverage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you very much Jennifer in Berkeley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We really appreciate that we are happy that people enjoy the Valkyrie's conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess we can kick it off with our Valkyries discussion and we'll talk exit interviews.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, Brian, you said you listened to like an hours worth of exit interviews.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's like like read it or something, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's on YouTube by Bay Area Sports Rap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they just how are they they just recorded it like what happened how did the whole thing and they just came in and out and questions were asked and then it was like a pair usually like a group of two or I don't think if there was a trio I think it was only two or one person I believe Veronica was the only one that was one person I don't think Caleb did one maybe she did one when they announced her season ending injury that I just wasn't paying attention to a while back but

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[SPEAKER_00]: everyone, all the players did one, except for Kayla in what I watched.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I also on the way home through on like the front office one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I got through Natalie's, but I'm still like watching Ohamas want to see if it looks like Jess has one too that I haven't gotten to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what were some takeaways from your listening?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't think anyone would be all too shocked from the responses they heard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, players super grateful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Lots of smiles on faces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that it just kind of continued to solidify what like the culture of this team is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I was kind of maybe more paying attention for like off season plans, which is a question that was asked to every single player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: seeing if anyone would confirm unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And only Monique did in the exit interviews, but we just learned today that also Veronica and Kate will be participating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we expected Kate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we still expect tip, but we'll see what tip, but Monique, Veronica, Kate, and potentially Tiffany Hayes for four balconies and unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: when it came to the exit interview stuff like I would be really interested in a vet like tip and what she thought about like some of the things that we were wondering like do facilities matter and and we know that a lot of practice facilities are being built right now like their

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[SPEAKER_01]: we at least for everything that we we've been told they're like a first run uh... organization warriors and valkyries and like does that matter to someone like Tiffany Hayes Tiffany Hayes is a WMB champion she's played uh... you know for she's she's retired and then come out of retirement to play uh... basketball and i wonder because she would have a lot of expertise around

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, which orgs might be maybe she wouldn't want to play for versus this one, which it seems like I think someone had asked her and she said absolutely or something like a one word answer that she would love to come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She is also an unrestricted free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I just be interested in her thoughts based on this version of where we're going with the WNBA if that stuff matters to her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like when you're an unrestricted free agent, it's like interesting on how they're going to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, talk about the organization that does not hold their contract rights going into the off season, but I think she.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like said everything without any, you know, she's, I guess you said that she said absolutely, but I think she said as many good things as you could say about an org without being under contract like I would almost guarantee, I she might have even said it, but I can almost guarantee that the facilities matter to her being someone who was in Atlanta most of her career and you know, probably didn't have that level that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the the Valkyries have in Vegas for one year like I'm almost certain that this stuff matters for her, especially, you know, she's I think the oldest on the team mid to late 30s would be my guess just because I think I've checked her basketball reference a couple times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I, he's not a WMB champion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was, but she came back to help Vegas, and they did not win the title that year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they, they lost to New York in the, those last year, they lost to New York before they went to the finals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I screwed that one up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, the, you know, Temi's was actually, Temi was pretty funny during hers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think someone asked the question if like the links were a rivalry and she was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what we lost to them six times, I mean, it beat them one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if I'd classify that as a rivalry, but she was really funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think, yeah, I was mainly just paying attention for the offseason stuff, but tip is 36, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Veronica Burton obviously got the accolades most improved, we were very hopeful and probably not that we had any sort of idea, but it just was kind of expected that she would be invited to play and unrivaled and she was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was one of the people and she said that she hates ravili's, which I guess took on a little bit of a became a meme a little bit, taking shots at

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and then so Billings and then Kate are the three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you think tip could be a fourth and that's probably going to be it for the number of current valks that'll play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, tip played last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it just wouldn't shock me if she played again this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, confirmed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was, but it sounds like it's not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But during her off season plan, she was going to go play overseas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she had said, like, she was going to focus on like her and her brand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know she's been hanging out a lot with Ronnie 2k.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you see that, but he's from the bay and he has like his own little clothing shop called Levels, which he has hosted an event at that I was like looking to get tickets, but all the free reservations are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: out of stock, so I didn't go, but she seems to, you know, along the clothing line stuff, it seems like that's what she's very interested in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think on rival this for sure still an option, it sounds like some of these leagues can kind of flow into it, because Monique's going overseas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's, I think she's in Turkey right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's where she's playing, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: then she's going to do unrivaled so she's going to do two leagues, which is pretty wild, like most of the American players, I guess I don't know the percentage, but I'd imagine most of them are just kind of just doing unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a lot of the European players are just doing the Euro season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if Monique being

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[SPEAKER_01]: a player who got some visibility this year being on the Valkyries and she played some really strong minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if that raised her price overseas for when she went back or I wonder if that stuff just locked in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so, but I know some of this stuff is like they've already signed a contract like I think tip already had a deal going into her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: team, just because I felt like I saw a graphic where whatever team she plays for overseas, posted a graphic of like who the roster was and tip was already on it and I was like, oh, I thought she was going to play on rival, but I guess she could still do both.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I'm sure, like, you know, of course, just like in the league where you play, well, you get rewarded, but some of these things might, they already might have multi-year contracts, but I think I think Monique played in China.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm depending when she plays because unrival doesn't start till January 5th.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she's got a few months now if she's playing now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's what's happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She went straight to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Europe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know for certain if she's playing in Turkey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just saw our Instagram story and it said she was in Turkey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know Carla went straight to Europe to Spain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Chachy, I think she might be playing in the Italian League and then Janelle I believe is playing in the Turkish League as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it makes sense that Monique's there right now for that league because Janelle's playing in it too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Janelle was an Italy last year, but I think she's playing in the Turkish League this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those got those those players already on, but you see that there's actually a lot of players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a me here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Burton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kate Martin and Caitlin Chen and there's one more might be Kyle Charles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not entirely sure who the last person was, but they're all in Cancun right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go out and be patient.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean here's like kind of like the funny one of the group like she posts like funny tick talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's got like a good sense of humor and her Instagram story story was them cheer like doing a cheers and cancun and is it cancun on three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One, two, three cancun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, so that, you know, unrivaled, I'm kind of interested in what I will think of unrivaled this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After having watched a full WMVACs and where I watched every single Valkyrie games and you see the intensity and all of these games and how hard they're playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And unrivaled is great, but there isn't any prestige to it right now because it's so new.

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[SPEAKER_01]: there's no geography involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a player driven league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know how you build that in necessarily unless it's, you know, rivals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, do you, can you get rivals to, which is what we are hoping for in the WNBA finals, which we'll talk about in a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm trying to figure out what is the, what is going to make me watch more unrivaled this year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love that one on one,

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[SPEAKER_01]: tournament thing that they did I made sure to watch that or at least most of it because it was like in different like I can't remember what got recorded and what didn't get recorded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, just like, oh, the random vinyl versus the roses or whatever, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's like, those names don't really mean anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder, I want, you know, what, what could they do to make these games a little bit more interesting and meaningful?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think it kind of boils down to like just sports allegiance, like I followed the WMBA, but I definitely didn't like it as much without my own team, you know, like I didn't want to

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[SPEAKER_00]: really pick a temporary team because I knew the Valkyries were coming even before they were announced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I know they're coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I pulled my friends like this is happening, like, you know, multiple years before it actually happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just didn't want to pick a temporary team because I knew it was happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, in the unrivaled sense, you could pick your club, but also I think maybe I'd be more interested to watch this year because we actually have players that we watched in the Valkyries now going to unrivaled whereas the unrivaled season had already

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to remember if it had already started or maybe it was just about to start when we started getting Valkyrie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't think we, I don't think we knew Kate was on the Valkyrie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, did we?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if on rivaled started in January, it wasn't the expansion draft in December.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess we would know, but the thing is, with on rivaled, like I had picked my club, yeah, I picked the lunar

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[SPEAKER_00]: The expansion stuff happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, I guess I have to switch my allegiance to the laces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we got Tiffany Hayes and she was also on the laces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's two velcrories on the laces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this time, we'll actually like have, you know, stuff going into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, okay, whatever team Veronica's on I'm probably going to be a chance and with everyone else, but I think Veronica's the one who I'm kind of rallying behind and whatever team she's on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted hats like kind of like this, but they only had dad caps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a big dad cap fan for a podcast specifically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So hope maybe they'll have more merch this year, and then you can really atte shirt and hat, and then you kind of get fired up for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So one thing I thought where you're going to talk at all about the expansion draft was that on the dock I mean we can I was going to talk a little bit about the free agents that they are they have an unrestricted free agent we can talk about the expansion draft I think that kind of goes hand in hand because that is like has to do with like protections and you know they're not going to protect any unprotected free agent that when I initially said that you know a couple months ago of who the

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe six or seven that it'd be to protect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we don't have the rules yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't even know the amount of players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I had initially say Kayla Thornton and then seeing her contracts that as I'm like, oh, that it's probably not going to be Kayla.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll probably be Checci or Ilyana and her spot for protection.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think Natalie said something that I had seen on Reddit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that she didn't say, but she didn't not say, and she had said, like, you know, we don't even have the rules yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know how many we can protect or if we have to protect any at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then she kind of stopped herself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had seen something on Reddit where I guess previous expansion teams were exempt from the following, oh, that's an expansion dress.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it sounds like they are,

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[SPEAKER_00]: have that in mind that that's a potential, but no one knows the rules yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So obviously we don't we best get scenario for the Valks is that if no one, if we're not involved in the expansion draft at all, we know we don't have the bad contract that maybe we'd want to offload in the expansion draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyone have a bad contract in WMBA?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, because everyone's basically on

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[SPEAKER_01]: not saying something and also not not saying something like, you know, they're really good at making sure that the message that they want out there gets out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So speaking kind of about, um, so the free agency unrestricted free agents who they can go anywhere once free agency starts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Timmy Fagbendlay, Tiffany Hayes, Kyle Charles, Monique Billings, and Kayla Thornton.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, well, it's up to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's the core thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, they don't all get to go exactly where they want to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there is there going to be the core thing when the new CBA is drawn up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there will be I just think that there's I feel like the players are pushing so hard as they should but I feel like they're pushing so hard for the increased salary and you've told me this that like CBA negotiations are like you get you give me something I give you something you know the players association versus the owners and if the players are pushing so hard for this thing that they should most definitely get I just wonder what other things they might.

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[SPEAKER_00]: be giving up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, I don't think that the core thing is that like much of a stress on their minds, like I'm sure they don't love it, but I don't know if it's enough to like put that as a thing to say, we want this and then we'll give you 10 extra games that will play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like I don't know if that those line up versus, you know, they're pushing so hard for the salary thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder why they just don't mirror NBA rules.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And and I would love to hear from

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[SPEAKER_01]: somebody who doesn't actually like the way that the MBA rules work, but it just seems that the rules, if they're universal, then everybody sort of understands them, and then it's really just about getting the salaries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think people really think like there's these salaries are going to go through the roof, and I think they will gradually increase

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think we're going to see Asia Wilson making $15 million next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's going to be that crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not not crazy compared, crazy compared to what it is now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think eventually, if the WMBA, if the revenues keep going up and the tickets and you add more teams and it just kind of grows like that, I definitely think that is on the, in the future, but they're not even at,

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[SPEAKER_01]: $300,000 a year yet, so to jump, I think some of this is going to have to be gradual, but I was just thinking it from the perspective of, like, how does the NBA work?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to talk about this John thing, coming to think, maybe you do something where every rookie that you sign is a

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[SPEAKER_01]: three-year deal and then you have that fourth year to just re-up them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have the option on the fourth year and then they're not actually a free agent until after the fourth year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could do stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's already there, but it's team option instead of player option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or not, or not, or not player option, but restricted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the core thing reminds me a little bit of the NFL franchise tag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the NFL owners like that because it gives them flexibility to force players to, it's almost like a threat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, well, if we can't come to agreement, we will slap the franchise tag on you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's kind of a negative thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and in the WMBA, when everybody's making around the same money, coreing isn't doesn't seem like it's as big of a deal, but as you increase the salaries, and if there is a difference between how much money is your Wilson makes and how much money, maybe the 12th person in the league makes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If there's a big time difference,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then yeah, then maybe that pouring stuff is used a little bit more as a weapon, like they do in the NFL, but I, you know, I don't even want to try and speak intelligently on it, because I don't really know the reason why it exists and how they currently use it today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, in theory, right, it's not great for the players, especially like we see like the injuries going up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe at the status that would give you that core option because I think it usually goes to just who the best players are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could do it twice and then you could never do it again for the rest of their career regardless of what team they're on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the air in McDonald's example, it's like, of course you don't like it because you get cord for one year and then you're out with an ACL tear, it's like, well then you're a free agent with no money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you want those years, you want the guarantee, you want,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that multi your contract instead of just a one year max even though the max is nice, you know, you get one year max because of a core, but it's just one year you want that multi year because it's consistent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, did you see the jets, jets Smith note that more than 90% of season ticket holders are recommitting for 2026.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably made some good money towards the end of the year there if they were selling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: because I know this ticket price is one up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what I would say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I think it's going to be a little tough for us next year, or actually it'll be a little even tougher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Though, I will say, you and I, we're looking at, we were looking at tickets for that playoff game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not sure this is the case, but it seems like it's the case, which is because the playoff game was on a weekday, the tickets weren't outrageous, but on the weekend, it seemed like the tickets were kind of outrageous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that follows suit with the NBA, you know, with the warriors in my experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I got $30 tickets to go see the Washington mystic, like the second game of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was just like really, really good seats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think those were basically doubled by the end of the year, even maybe on a weekday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember when we went, the guy sitting to our right, he asked us where we got the tickets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you told him, and he's like, yeah, it's like been a different person sitting next to him

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he wanted to buy him up because yeah, he was a season ticket holder and he had never met the other season ticket holder because that person was selling every single game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, you asked us, are you the season ticket holders and we're like, no, we're not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wanted to buy him up for like his friends, so you could bring them and I told them exactly where to find the guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's talk a little bit about the WMBA playoffs here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we are in the semi-finals here and we have the Las Vegas aces and they are playing Indiana in round one, or round two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Minnesota is playing Phoenix and round two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now both of these series are split one to one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Phoenix comes out in game one and

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're playing really close but then Minnesota pulls away and then Phoenix wins game two and on the flip side Indiana comes out and just rocks Vegas and then in game two Vegas kind of shows their stuff and pulls away so I would kind of expect

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even though the matchup seems to be a little bit closer in Minnesota and Phoenix, I would just expect Minnesota to eventually take care of business, but the Las Vegas in Indiana one is so interesting because it seems to be if Kelsey Mitchell can get on a heater like she's almost unguardedable and teams are having so much trouble with her, but do you still believe we're getting Minnesota Vegas I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I, I wasn't able to watch either game last night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like out somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's kind of looking at it on the TV where we were eating

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I watched a little bit of it last night and I'd heard that there was a point where Minnesota was up 20 and Phoenix came back and take it all the way back that's and that's crazy because when it was I when I had seen that it was up 20 hours about the call for the sweet felt like I thought this matchup was going to be closer than it was because you know Phoenix on paper has has some stuff they figured out some things against the New York Liberty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even on the no-off season podcast, they said it and it feels like kind of just saw to is just the consistent X factor, like depending on how she plays is what is going to happen in the result of the winner loss, which plays bad, they lose, which plays good, they win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On the Indiana Vegas side, someone had said on Twitter that I read, I think one of the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Twitter accounts had asked like, can someone from Indiana tell me why like what's happening and why this is working and someone responded and said, think of it like your team, but like we have to all W players, you know, like you kind of like that togetherness that like the ego to side, playing with hard, you know, like all the extra effort stuff, but we have Kelsey Mitchell and the Lea Boston and I was like, okay, I get it, you know, kind of like when it's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when you're watching like the Miami heat when they went all the way to the finals, like how the hell did they keep doing this and then the the ongoing meme was it's just the power of friendship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they keep winning these matchups that they were supposed to get killed on paper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think lost Vegas is going to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Vegas is a. Of course, well coach team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that they won't allow that stuff to to have I get maybe Indiana gets another game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they could that fan base, I've always said that Golden State, Indiana, and I believe Minnesota are kind of like the top three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe New York as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure, but I just, I wonder how Vegas will react to, I'm sure Indiana filling out that stadium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess maybe it's just dependent on how game three will go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I still think Las Vegas will win, but if Indiana wins game three at their home, that's that game in Indiana.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the formats one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's two to one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be my guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just wouldn't entirely shock me if the Vegas loss game three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would shock me if it was a blowout like it wasn't game one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you never know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll go with I'll go with the winners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think last podcast I went

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[SPEAKER_00]: with the winner, with the higher seeded teams as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that looked good until Atlanta just blew it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a rough watch to end the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were so stagnant, couldn't hit any shots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Indiana was able to go on like this crazy run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But other than that, all the other top seedes one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if you are going to win the series as the lower seed, splitting at the home teams arena,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is the way to do it because then you have an opportunity to come home and close it out like if in the energy just as a great home team and wins these two games then Vegas is done like it doesn't even matter you can't even go back so now it's Vegas is turn to take back home court by winning one of these two games like if you're a if you're a fever fan Aren't you just like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like of all the times for Caitlyn to be hurt for this long period of time like just the idea like this is this is your vision is for this exactly to happen this year, but you had Caitlyn play and helping you get there and she's not there right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of it's kind of crazy that they're still there and they're playing so well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Without Caitlin and she's, you know, she's been from what I can tell a great teammate and they're super superstitious about wearing the same shoes and all that stuff, it's it's really cool to see and I guess if if you're in the end and I'm already sort of predicting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: next year's power poles, but to see them get where they are right now, and then you add last year's rookie of the year who had like this historic rookie season, you got to put them right back up at the top on that side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they should be like what the barometer for the valks are in the sense that

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[SPEAKER_00]: They went to the playoffs for the first time and since like 2016 or something like that last year with Katelyn they lose to Connecticut in the first round and this year they come back somehow without Katelyn and somehow get to the second round right that's an improvement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Valkyries did it this year they got to the playoffs the round one this afternoon round after doing a boner said peace out I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then both teams have been great for themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Asia Wilson won her fourth MVP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She kind of like I thought it was going to be closer with Nefisa Collier coming in second, but so she's just dominance, she's established.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I'm Nefisa Collier, not that it probably matters as much, but I'm just kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: put not one in the back of my mind as we play because he it's it then it's an opportunity to prove that maybe you were the best player in the league you know instead so that that'll be a fun thing if they actually do face off against each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think she plays victim card but like if I'm her I'd kind of be like what the hell else do I do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got the one seed and I was the second player in WMBA history to average 50, 40, 90 on a season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and the first one got the MVP like what the hell else was I supposed to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that might be a tuck in her back pocket if she plays Las Vegas and then and the last thing before we start talking warriors two teams that made the playoff fired their head coaches Noel Quinn from Seattle and the one that I think surprised everybody was Sandy

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think these teams are, or these owners are really looking at the future of the WNBA and wanting to make sure that they're taking this stuff seriously because we, you would hear stories of how, you know, the WNB is attacks right off for some of these owners and they're not taking it too seriously, but now that there's money in this league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: think they are taking it very seriously, not that these owners are necessarily always smart about stuff, but you can sort of see their trying to get their ducks in a row, but I was so surprised that Brondello was a let go, but I guess she didn't even really have any like she didn't have a contract after this or something like there was something around that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I haven't looked into I haven't seen stories on like the inside of it and like what happened someone in our discord chat right had said that she kind of had something with like maybe ownership or when she was the coach of Phoenix and and like a similar situation happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, our our guy J mess thought it might have been like a personality thing because she she was in Phoenix and it was let go, which was also a surprise so he wonders if it's just maybe she's maybe she's tough to to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh you know we see this in in pro sports a lot like you have the coach that's there for like five years and it's really hard and maybe by five years after that the message isn't as easy to get through to some of the players you know I was actually thinking about this because I'm watching the court of gold documentary or the docu series on Netflix I never got through it but it covers last year's team USA gold medal team and I'm watching Steve Kerr

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I see him talking to certain players and, you know, he's Steve Kerr's a storyteller, historically guys, sometimes guys just kind of glaze their eyes over and sometimes people really enjoy it like KD and some senses has given Kerr a lot of credit for really understanding who he is as a person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's talking to Anthony Edwards and I'm watching Anthony Edwards do the stuff that you kind of just do to people to kind of make sure that that okay got it yep yep got it I'm in and just so they get away and you can go to the thing that you want to do and I was not to incur doing that and going like man you know think about it see if current has been with the warrior since 2015.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ken, he's like, he's relating to Steph and Dramon because they're all kind of wired the same way and they're locked in, but I wonder if like, you know, he's he's talking to a younger player like brand of a gem ski, like, and he's trying to tell his old stories of Michael Jordan and this and then pods is just like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is a great story coach or if he's like actively listening, like this is real wisdom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like I wonder how hard it is to coach some of these young players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, crazy to think like what how old was Anthony Edward the one Steve Kirk took over the warriors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, why are like in junior high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's maybe even yeah, maybe even younger house, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean with the with the brondello thing though is is that I think most Valkyries fans when they first saw the news were like oh is Sabrina a little upset about this she's going to be a free agent like I wonder if Sabrina comes to or maybe they did it because Sabrina's a free agent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that was that was a thought that went through my mind as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen some reports that they're kind of looking for a MBA replacement coach that that's a report out there that there may be looking in the MBA to get their head coach and you know, Josiah and his wife owned the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They obviously owned the Brooklyn Nets as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they kind of have those MBA connections.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I heard some Brondello to Seattle news to replace Noel Quinn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't think that's Sabrina's coming, but if she wanted to use, you know, a reason in the media to come, they'd be like, so they got rid of my head coach and I really like there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That will end our Valkyries conversation, and let's talk some golden state warriors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is still the biggest news.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, it hoped that it wasn't going to last this long as a story in the media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jonathan Kominga, when have you seen the agent really like take control and be proactive and getting the media and talking about the scenario?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he, like I, it sounds like he wanted to do it because he wanted to dispel some of the rumors that maybe JK,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was anti warriors or anti Steve Kerr or something like he's like now he's locked in why why wouldn't he be a great player he's in the best shape of his life x y and z it seemed like that's why he wanted to go out there but jk himself is not talking and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've made this story, like the biggest story in the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this is the topic of conversation in the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems Jonathan Kominga of all people, who is average in his career 12 points of game, is the biggest topic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we talked about this deadline coming up on October 1st.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We made some predictions a while back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My prediction was that they would come to some sort of contract agreement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The lawyers have jumped the money up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is now a two for 48 with the third year option, but that option being the team option.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that seems to be the difference in the deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like the money is right and they like the money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but it looks like that team option versus player option is the thing that is stopping team commingah from signing the contract with the warriors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about that part of the whole negotiation?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's just gone on for so long that like, at this point, we're so close to October 1 that neither party kind of wants to cave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that JK is going to sign that offer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to have a team option at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because like I just keep thinking about the qualifying offer and you know what it entails, it's bad for the lawyers, but just

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, it's like they don't have to play him if he's on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like it wouldn't be out of spite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, Kuro already doesn't really pay play him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like Kuro's going to do what he needs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What he thinks is best to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think what he thinks is best to win involves 15 minutes of game of JK and not 28 to, you know, get to maybe up his value.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think he does sign the team option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it would be a loss for the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or if he signs the qualifying offer because at this point, they've just invested the entire off season into this and you have, you know, all these free agents that have just been like kind of knocking at the door like, hey, are we still good?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so I think it would be, but that's the other thing, right, is once this once this time frame hits, they may just bring all those players in and then, you know, and then I'm sure they'll have to create whatever that slot is for what they think they're going to be able to sign in him for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then that locks, then that doesn't allow for as much negotiation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he gets locked into whatever that slot is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the thing that I find to be, you know, the game of chicken here is this team option versus player option.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a sense that the warriors are trading him anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're going to sign up to this,

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[SPEAKER_01]: 3-year deal with the option, with the idea that they trade him sometime in January or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the reason why they want the team option is because that increases the value of the trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the reason why they don't want that option is because then he could be locked into a franchise that he doesn't want to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But without that option, without if he gets the player option, then the value across the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is less and then they're they probably will try and get him on the cheap and that's not great for the warriors, but but it's not like JK can refuse where he goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The second that that qualifying offer is off the table he can be traded anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he they are kind of at the mercy of the warriors in that sense and I don't know if that qualifying offer threat

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't know if Joe Lake is going to blink.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Joe Lake it might just he see if Joe Lake seems like a poker player to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it almost seems like this this agent of coming guys is like, let's use this as the leverage that we have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think like you just said, I think Kominga is going to give in at the end because whether or not the agent says that they're willing to to sign this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the that's the agent and the agent gets a piece of this deal obviously he wants the bigger money of course because he gets more but it's not his career like it's JK's career and I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sun, you need to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be better for your career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because he's going to say, look, this, this, you sign this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what, um, tomorrow isn't promised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least if you sign this deal, no matter if you sign with the player option or the team option, tomorrow is promised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have actually

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[SPEAKER_01]: made a lot of money for your MBA career off of this deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that should be the best thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're going to trade you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will try and send you somewhere where you like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you fight us on this thing, then maybe we won't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we won't look into it that much for your well-being.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's lots of poker going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's fascinating to think about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just can't believe it is for the player of Jonathan Kominga, who has, he's had flashes, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's had flashes of really strong play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: what he could have been rather than what he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I was listening to plus minus where it was TK and Danny Amherman from the standard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was like a week or two ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they, you know, it's more so like they were on the idea like it's not really like coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like it's it's the it is coming, but it's the warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why this is such a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's because the warriors have made national headlines for this week since 2015 and also nothing else is going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like I don't hear anything about Quentin Grimes, same situation, you know, like Cam Thomas sign the qualifying offer, you know, didn't really hear much about that giddy got his didn't really hear much about that, but yeah, it's it's it's the warriors and it probably is like a little bit of, you know, coming up putting out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That story to sham is when they lost the Denver that he was unhappy with his plan time and like I think it's just all a bit culminating but it's also just because it's the warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, totally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have a guess?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think he signs it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he signs it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the contract as it is right now at the end of the day, that's the one that he signs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then

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[SPEAKER_01]: They try and trade them in like February.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's so many things can happen from now till February.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can't even confidently say who the target would be because who would have thought any butler would be on the steam for the price we got him at this time last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think of Jimmy Butler's little mini camp that he has going on that Jake?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was that him who who let it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it was Jimmy's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's so cool, but yeah, supposedly he did, he was not present according to Shams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was not present at Jimmy Butler's mini camp.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's in San Diego, so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not making friends, JK, not making friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, who knows, maybe he.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think those baby before hand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, yeah, man, I got something else going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not that I got something else going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, hey, I got a, if he goes, I mean, he kind of, he think it's a leverage thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He loses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that total, I showed Joe's like, we got him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's price smart to not go for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so this is something that I wanted to have fun with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, it's not really newsworthy in any way, but Tim Bond-Temp's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had an insider poll and I'll go through all the questions with you and just interested in your thoughts to the answer of all of these questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of them has a heavy Steph Korean influence, which is why I'm bringing it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But so Tim, he looks like he talked to about 20 or so insiders, I think some of these are coaches and scouts and some executives and just pulled them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll ask you these questions that I have his answers here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who will be the MVP of this upcoming season?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What, I wasn't even prepared for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't really thought about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go, I'm going to go Luka.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought, Shay would be the one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But instead, seven out of the 20 picked Yoke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yonus, no, they picked Yoke.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then Shay was second, Luka was third.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wemba Niyama was fourth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yonus and Anthony Edwards only got one vote each.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's surprising, considering the talent on the east.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know why Yannas wouldn't be a top three odds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know this isn't odds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just random polling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who is the best player right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yokehch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yokehch got 19 out of the 20.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the one with Shay, the one had to be someone from the Lakers who he's talking to, because the one with Luka.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who will be the best player in 2030?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, I'm an yam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd let you be unanimous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got 16 out of the 20.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Luca got to shake out one Jason Tatum got one through the hell voted for Tatum, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a western conference assistant said there's no one that has his shot profile he's what everyone wishes they have a six foot 10 guy who shoots three's gets to the room and gets fouled would rather a woman yama right now than Jason Tatum and I know just him is better right now but if you talk about twenty thirty men was this guy you worried about how are you worried about women yana's woman yama's health though it's no like no

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[SPEAKER_01]: the by the way, there's all the the coverage of skinny Luca and I've heard of skinny and beat as well, but I saw a picture today of the skinniest Zion you ever saw in your life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like there's maybe a little bit of an angle going on with that specific photo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's just no way like he looks malnourished.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I've seen some me in pretty mean jokes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's lots of those epic jokes as well But some also some other mean ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey good for him though like if he you know I do genuinely believe that's an angle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like I saw a video of him and he kind of still not not that he looked He's never looked overweight to me that guys just super Jacked like he has muscles on his muscles, but I know for NBA shape You're gonna want to slim down a little bit for that, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if he wants to be a little bit of that that Duke Zion that the high school mixed tape that we watched for the longest time before he got to the league, this is the this is the right step for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, who is the best American player right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably Tatum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but I didn't even get a vote here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Tatum is going to be the best 2030.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got MVP votes, but that same Western conference executive or assistant did not vote Tatum as the best American player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Steph got 11.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anthony Edwards got eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Spider Mitchell got one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I don't know who Bontvis is in really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not that these guys aren't good players, but like, like, it's just the logic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not logicing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who will be the best American player in five years?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cooper flag got five votes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Anthony Edwards, he got 11.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tatum got to Palo got one, Jalen Williams got one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, Jalen Williams over Antman for best American player in five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not, it's no logic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's also a couple of players in this upcoming draft.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, man, I'm forgetting it for for the longest time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was AJ debons die.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I texted you like four years ago, I was like the same age as the twins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like an eighth grade when I sent you that text and he was like playing summer runs with Jalen Brown and like doing well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, this guy's the future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to be shocked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fee got like a vote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So who will be rookie of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, come on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got 19.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you guess who got?

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[SPEAKER_01]: one vote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A Spatley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Con Nipple, that you pass a Nipple, con Nipple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, who will be the Hansen Ying?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who will be the best player from this draft class in five years?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, next question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cooper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But who do you think also got votes?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to get votes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Dylan Harper got one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, did, I think people did ace Bailey even get a vote.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like he's kind of like the archetype that might be a little risky for voters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like a scoring wing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, ace Bailey did he get a vote of asking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the other one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, well, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, where will LeBron James be at the start of the 2627 season retired came in second place on this one by the way, Cleveland number one, Lakers number one, Cleveland number three, warriors number four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would agree with no, I don't know if I'd agree with Lakers one, just doesn't feel like the clutch ammo to like not have control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mavericks and heat also got one each.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mavericks is interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can look as old home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to go save the franchise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a little brown and cup of flag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that was it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just thought that was a fun exercise because when I was looking at that I was like man my NBA brain is not prime yet because I was really having to think at some of these thing what are going to be the main stories and you know we're very focused on the warriors so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I was like, oh yeah, Cooper Flag is going to play this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get to see him play and yeah, Victor is going to be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get to see Victor play again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the warriors their first preseason game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is in less than two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: October the fifth is their first preseason game against Lakers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Preseason is coming media day is soon training camp is soon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This coming a thing hopefully will be resolved or at least someone resolved hopefully will be able to see what our Horford looks like in a warriors jersey will get to see staff and Seth take photos of like when they were little kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They should like redo some of those photos and their warriors uniforms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, who else is coming?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I guess GP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We believe GP, D Anthony Melton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who else?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that all it's been rumored?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think that's a top five West team as of today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think anything better though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we just look if Dunlavy has another

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what obviously the coming of thing like that's that's the.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then here's this trick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, hey Steve, we need to get some some good coming in minutes here because these teams need them to add in a little bit extra.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's that's going to be part of that conversation, too, if coming is sitting on the bench getting DNPs as I'm going to be good for a straight value.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, I agree, and then Steve can look at it from like, okay, this, you know, this might not be my ideal version of trying to win, but if I look long-term here, if I up his value, him to get something good and return, that could be better for winning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they should play him a lot early in the season, and unless he's just terrible, obviously, but I don't think he's going to be terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they'll still be able to win some of these games if he's like the six or the seventh guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may all imagine what the staff minutes or do you

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's between him or Dramon when you start breaking down like the line-up combinations like who gets put in the stuff minutes is it going to be comming or Dramon and then the Jimmy minutes would be the whoever else like a like who either the comming or Dramon minutes are going to be who's Steph wants them to be and I think he's going to want them to be Dramon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, they always make the they always make the stuff lineups like not as good right they always like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They will, I was thinking more crunch time, but you're just talking about more normal substitution patterns, but yeah, I think they're also going to be a little bit better with the older players and how they rest them, so you may see JK.

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[SPEAKER_01]: get 35 minutes in one game because Dreyman is sitting or he'll he'll get another 30 minutes because Steph is sitting so there will be opportunities for him to play lots of minutes I just don't think the tick as you guys call it as you young kids call it will be very consistent from game to game because if they have a full squad then he just moves back a couple of

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[SPEAKER_01]: and hopefully we'll have some sort of resolution talk about and we'll have a a little bit maybe we'll know who's I think we should know who's in the WMB finals by next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all right, for Brian WG, we will see when we see you peace out.