Valkyries Offseason, Collier vs. Engelbert: WNBA Finals fallout! Warriors Offseason Moves & 1st Preseason Game Thoughts | Golden State Hoop

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[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, it is Monday, which is usually our Thompson to Clark slot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brad is on vacation, but Brian is here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to talk some Valkyries, warriors, WMBA finals, Nefisa Collier, throwing some shots, and just kind of the beginning of the NBA as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Brian, what's going on here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the last time we talked, Jonathan Camingo

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that was the talk of the summer and thank God that that's done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we predicted it correctly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, before we're just like he's going to he's has to sign like it's I think I can't exactly remember what we said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it was like a week or two later that he ended up signing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, the the agent got him a couple more million good for the agent, but I feel like

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[SPEAKER_00]: like the relationship of, you know, the age, especially the agent and the warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think that they are just like, we hate this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we just don't want to like do business with this guy because, you know, he, I think the warriors, I think don't leave he had something where he's like, you know, we like to keep everything pretty private.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the agent was the one who kind of went on that podcast tour, basically saying that, you know, this offer was like disrespectful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they ultimately took that offer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Negotiating, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, excuse me, Kominga himself,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now he's got to answer all of these questions about whether he's expecting to be here for a long time, whether he can fit in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Steph was pretty specific in his comments about kind of the expectation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll get into the warrior's stuff in a second here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll kick it off

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's not a ton to talk about as it pertains to the Golden State Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, they're in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're watching the WNBA finals just like we are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was actually interested because I know you were following a few of the players and where they were playing overseas and trying to

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, keep an eye on on how they were doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I've seen some stuff that, you know, Janelle's like playing really well and this is coming off of her all rookie WMBA team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What about some of the other players?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have a, do you have an idea where they're at right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know we're mostly everyone's at roughly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't really tuned into the Euro league or European seasons to kind of actually visually watch, but yeah, Carla and you stay are both in the Spanish league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I believe Chet cheese and the Italian league playing word Janelle played last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Janelle and now Caitlin Chen, Caitlin Chen, join Janelle's team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Teams like USK, Praha or something like that, I don't know how good I am with that pronunciation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Monique and Ili are in the Turkish League, they're playing for Fenerbach, which is like a pretty popular team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the one, measum and was on, they have a lot of WMBA players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I mean, who else Veronica, we have confirmed is playing on rivaled Kate's playing on rivaled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember a me here said she was going to play in China, but oh, you know what, I mean, here's also on use days team for the time being in Spain, um, I haven't seen any updates though on how people are playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen a few you stay highlights and, you know, just that corner three is cash, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, shout out to the discord because we have someone who's like actually watching and keeping up with this stuff, so to, to, you know, give some promo to our discord, I think people should join because, you know, we have someone who's, and maybe you could say the name because I don't remember the name of the user, but he's got it all down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows exactly where everyone is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's watching, you know, you're a league and all the other leagues as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully, they're not offended that I'm giving away the the name that they use, but Dutch E shout out to Dutch E who's keeping us up to date on the on goings internationally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we've talked about this already, but you know, there are several Valkyries players who are playing in unrivaled, Monique Billings, Kate Martin, Veronica Burton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't look like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll be able to get our fix there, but we'll and we'll talk a little bit about unrivaled in a second because I think it's related to this conversation that we're going to have about Nefisa Collier and her comments about the commissioner of the WMBA in Kathy Engelbert.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But is there anything that you're specifically paying attention to as it pertains to the Valkyries off season, you know, before we get into the free agency, before we get into draft stuff again, before we get into expansion draft?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there anything like you're trying to keep an eye on as far as, you know, anything towards next year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it is really the dullness of the season until the finals are over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it kick starts again with off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, because like everything kind of hangs on the CBA negotiations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe they have like an October 31 deadline that does not seem like it's going to be met.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if the lockouts happening like literally like the expansion draft rules is what's the most important news for the Valkyries to come next.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can't do that unless you have like the CBA figured out, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You really can't look forward to, I mean, the only thing I could think of is, you know, Vanya, Vanya was the VP, I forget her official title for the Valkyries, but she's now the GM of the Portland Fire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess they got to replace that position if they haven't replaced it already, but other than that, like, no, I mean, can't really do anything until these expansion rules come, which I think rely on the CBA negotiations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we'll see that this offseason might get started before we even realized if Vegas keeps playing the way that they're playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, let's just kick it off and let's talk about the NBA or the WMBA finals here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Las Vegas and Phoenix game won was an awesome basketball game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just amazed at how good the teams were playing in game one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now there were some, there were a few things here and there where like, oh, you know, first finals game jitters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But overall, the game was excellent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Game 2 not so much for Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Las Vegas pretty much controlled that game, you know, maybe after the first quarter was over, but what is your what is your takeaway from the first two games Vegas holds court.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first two games in Vegas, they win both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we're going back to Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Phoenix has got to win two out of the next three, you know, to really have a chance going back to Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or actually, does it go 2111 like the NBA?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how the schedule is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll look because I have it up while you're talking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's what I guess is 2111.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what what what what what is your what are your takeaways here with a series so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As It's not looking so good for Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's only like a handful of things they can change and the rest is kind of just reliant on like that home court role players stepping up in home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe get him more of a favorable whistle, but you know, I think something that took out to me was

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll say two things is that the Sautu Sabali kind of shot diet where you know she gets the ball at the top of the three point line start at the possession and just kind of jacks it and.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you look at her box score and it's actually a pretty darn good box aside from like one for seven or one for eight from three, but from the feel that looks good, like points looks good, like everything looks pretty good, but I think it just her I think she's is what I noticed in the first game versus the Liberty she was just like kind of just chucking shots and then the second game there's a real

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[SPEAKER_00]: intention to drive to the rim and get shots close to the basket and that was to me of aside from Brianna Stewart getting hurt of course, but like that was the turning point is that Sato is the X-Factor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She gets like in the paint and then she could work her way inside out like that is what I think gives them the best opportunity to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, you know, I think Alyssa Thomas was in a little bit of foul trouble for fouls, but I think she was kind of playing for for a while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So other than that, like, I think it is just, you know, the aces are just playing so well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's Asia, Jackie, and Chelsea that are all playing, like insane, like Jackie could win the dang finals MVP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think they have some role players that I've been stepping up and I think Dana Evans has been the one that's kind of caught my eye the most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, only five points, but I just feel like there's a calmness and when the ball's in her hands, like you feel like something good is going to come out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, he was on fire in game one totally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was five of six from three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, game two, they didn't really need her to be that, but game one, she was kind of the reason they won the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of to want to bottom in it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 23 minutes, I think that's the fourth most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, maybe fifth most.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And minutes, I guess that's kind of by design.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, you know, she's a really good player, but can you get more, you know, can, you know, West Bell to someone who's able to hit from distance in the regular season, maybe at home, she's able to hit a couple and get on the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was minus 15, Samuel Whitcomb, kind of same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought she was out for the series after I watched her, like, oh my gosh, that was, I thought she broke her shin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These women are flexible in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was just got her right back in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to be as well as just being at home and maybe the fans I don't know you know like a kind of to me I feel like you know of course game three's must when you lose game three go down three oh first came seven I mean first seven game finals and wma history I mean we've seen in the NBA you go down three oh it's over Yeah, most like I think you're a hundred percent right about the X factor though

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[SPEAKER_01]: Satu Sobli should be the one player that Vegas kind of circles and goes, oh man, this is a bit of a matchup nightmare for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when she just takes what they give and doesn't force herself into positions of where she can make easy buckets, I think she's kind of playing into their hands, like Elissa Thomas, they were doing a lot of doubling and trapping on her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: at opportune times like really timely stuff and she you could tell she was getting frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they're if they're drawing an extra person on a list of Thomas, then you're playing four on three with the rest of the of the mercury and it's like, okay, so to time to eat, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's been sort of just passive and been very okay with shooting long jumpers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Kalea Copper at that has been awesome, like when they need a bucket, she is, you know, she's playing so hard offensively to score, but then you look at her, uh, some of her stats and like she had like a terrible plus minus in that second game, so some of it is probably coming at the expense of of defensively where she's just working so hard on offense, but I think you're right,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like an excellent excellent game in game three, four Phoenix to be able to throw their best shot because they had a great game in game one and kind of let it slip away a little bit but they need to throw some haymakers on Wednesday in at home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like because what do you have, you know, you have these two home games for a reason, you go, okay, Vegas, you did your thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's our turn to do our thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They really need to come out with with some intention because if not, you see how Asia Wilson is just so precise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like a surgeon with a sharp knife, just so exact in what she wants to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So perfect in her postmoves

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's playing excellent basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jackie Young, I was thinking about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was watching the game yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I love Caitlyn Clark and the way Caitlyn Clark plays love page.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like my favorite non-valkyrie, just to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: get buckets or to hoop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It might be Jackie Young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's so fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yesterday's game, it was the second or the third quarter where she had like 21 points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the second quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had 21 points in the quarter to like maybe tie or set or record for WMBA finals game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was she was amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was doing the thing where it was like she was so

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[SPEAKER_01]: her teammates knew it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she was just like, give me the ball up top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she take like two steps to do a move pull up from three bang.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she did that like two or three times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, man, this woman is just on fire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it really is about what Phoenix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is going to come out with on Wednesday because they cannot be passive like in game two the ace is just eight that stuff up and spit it back out on them that game could have been like a 30 or 40 point blow out as as it was going so yeah, I mean, I've been you know yesterday's game not great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't all that entertaining, you know past past a certain part of third quarter, but game one was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope Wednesday is a little bit more like that

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[SPEAKER_01]: because that was just awesome basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's the, how's talking to somebody about this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And actually, I did a podcast the other day to talk about the origin story of our Valks stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're talking a little bit of WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as I was thinking about doing his show, I was thinking about how, there's nothing more fun in watching basketball than to watch excellent shot making.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we see some pretty insane shot making in the NBA, but there's some pretty fantastic shot making in the WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like shot making just is unbiased, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have the ball and you have skill and you can do something with it and get a bucket in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just one of the best things and sports is to watch somebody cook with the basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I was watching, Colleak Hopper and Jackie Young, and then you're watching Chelsea Grey, she's looking like magic, Johnson, throwing no look passes when there's not really a reason to not look other than to show off and just putting that thing right on the money, like that stuff is awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I've been enjoying so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I want to see Satu

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think maybe there's a little bit of the fan base who's kind of aching for Alyssa Thomas to, you know, show out and get close to her title, so there is still some drama left in this thing as long as Phoenix wins game three, I think there's still some some pretty good interest in and what could happen, so but it's all about Wednesday and game three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the Valkyries should assuming CBA negotiations and then we have a season and we have an off season like they should tell Jackie Young like, hey, you know, she gets her what it would be her third ring.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if the if the ace is win and say, hey, you know, you you amazing player, I want to say she's, I don't know, maybe 27.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no I actually have no clue what

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[SPEAKER_00]: what's who might go down as the greatest player of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you want to be a number one on the malcrease and they they they market that and and tell her that she would be our our star and we'd have a back court of of her and burn and that would be that would be a pretty fun watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to have Jackie Young on the malcrease.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Number one draft pick in 2019 she is 28 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she they athleticism is still like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we weren't totally watching them, but I have heard no offseason talk about this of the podcast and they had a three back-to-back to back-to-back number one picks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had Kelsey Plum next to your Asia next to your Jackie.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a hell of a lottery luck, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, like I said, Game 5 or Game 3 on Wednesday, let's stay on the WMEA angle, the league angle,

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[SPEAKER_01]: in her exited interview, went to Paukshikur all over Kathy Engelberg, Engelberg, and a lot of really pointed comments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was a little fearful of how direct, directly disrespectful those comments were until I started to see all of the players back her up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, she's one of the top players in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's being a leader for her crew.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She has her own experience as an owner of a small business called Unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is not just

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[SPEAKER_01]: thinking like a play or this is thinking bigger and looking at her business of basketball and that being something that she does not feel is being taken seriously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think like at this point is Kathy just the fall person for Adam Silver to come in here and be the baby face of the whole situation and go like okay okay we've heard this thing and you know we're

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know that the public at large.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine there's lots of fans going like, you know what, that Kathy Engelberg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's doing a fantastic job right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This WNBA thing blows up because of Caitlin Clark and the players and the game being so much better and the Bay Area market getting a team and there's lots of different reasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Kathy's trying to keep it all together,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, if we are to believe Nefisa's statements like just kind of taking it all for granted or maybe wanting some of the credit or whatever it's it was just fascinating to see how, how much Nefisa was comfortable going directly at the woman whose job is to basically keep things going with her basketball league like that was amazing to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was a wild day, you know, I think I was at work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I saw like one Nefisa quote from her exit interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my god, I can't believe she said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I sent in in our discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I sent it to one of my friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I scroll up on my Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's seven new tweets of new things she said where I was like, oh my god, I can't believe she said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I just, I was like, okay, so there's definitely something going on in her exit interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you go and watch the exit interview and it's a full on prepared statement

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so that was another reason to join the discord.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were live talking about that for a very long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were like, what the hell's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and I don't know if you saw, I mean, I'm assuming you did because I think this information came out like a day or two ago, but then Kathy has her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: like addressing the press or whatever on Friday before the finals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, her like statement to kick out the finals or whatever and like a day later, Nefisa says, yeah, we're not having that meeting that we agreed to have next week, like relationship is ruined.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like just to kind of give a little bit more context what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Nefisa goes very public with her statements.

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[SPEAKER_01]: sort of says like things are being mischaracterized, including the comment about Caitlin Clark, which she said did not happen in that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Nefisa is basically saying, well, if you're not going to take responsibility for that comment, then we really have no reason to have a conversation, sort of foreshadowing, I'm sure that foreshadowed her what she thought was going to be Kathy

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was another statement, like that was the silent statement by Nefisa just saying, nah, I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what, like, how does the public, how do fans see that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm assuming they feel like Nefisa is more powerful than the commissioner of the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then what leverage does the commissioner of the league have when the best player or second best player, whatever you want to say, it's just like, no, I don't need to do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not part of my job description.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is to just meet with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You are not telling the truth and I don't have to stand for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is wild to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had, I had like a situation earlier in this completely off topic, but it's kind of like resonating with like just the idea of like hearing someone in when you respond to them where I had a neighbor who wasn't entirely thrilled about she thought I think there were a few points that that maybe I was running the bath too long when I was watching my talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll preface this by saying the neighbor and I are are very good on good terms and she's she's excellent, but When we initially moved in there were a few complaints.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was just because we're the new kids on the block We're like 30 years younger anyway, so we're just like the easy target, but There was like three or four things that were kind of listed out in an email that was a little bit of like a

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like complaining a little bit about what we did or what they thought we did and in my opinion like 90% of that email was incorrect So I responded In that sentiment that I was like like kind of like here's what you said and here's my response and Not saying you're wrong, but like in my response he'd be like, no, I'm denying this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and so her response came back and it was it was not It was not great like it like she was like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like basically saying this is not an acceptable response and so my partner gets a hold of it and she's just like a whiz at this like at the email stuff and she was able to frame it in a way where it's like we hear you but like you know some of things sure some things maybe not but like we hear you

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it's been great ever since then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I listen to Kathy's press conference, I was like, you are not validating anything that Nefisa said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You are doing sure what I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now I don't know what it's like to, of course, hold that kind of position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, maybe if she does validate everything, is she fired?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, when I was listening to that, I was just like, this is pathetic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not, I totally expect that that Nefisa thing where it's like you didn't you basically almost call their a liar without calling her a liar, a mischaracterization.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I'm not surprised that things are going the way it has.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's been more stories that came out that's like, where should we, where should they be directing their anger in a sense of like this Kathy even have that much power should it be more at the NBA because Kathy's just kind of reporting to the NBA owners and Adam Silver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, I,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how this is going to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, it doesn't look like it's going in a direction that, um, uh, we as the fans want, like I think the real WMBA fans, of course, want these players to get paid and it doesn't feel like we're reaching a solution, uh, in in time for an October 31 deadline, no way in hell.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I, I kind of wonder what's going to happen here, and I think the WMBA

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[SPEAKER_00]: and sports is a whole very lucky that like Nefisa's as smart and outspoken as she is, because I thought that that I was just listening to that, like, just being like, man, I wish I could stand up for myself like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What else do you have?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, in in Kathy's job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, I'm sure there are there are things that she feels are these are kind of problems just growing pains and then the next level up is like, okay, like this is something that we're going to have to prioritize and then there's like crisis, like I feel like this is a crisis or a crisis and she treated it like something that could wait and if I'm

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[SPEAKER_01]: is infuriating because it just leans into the narrative that Kathy is not taking them seriously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I like I don't know if Kathy is a good person or a bad person or a good manager or a bad manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's obviously a successful business woman because or else she would not be in the role that she is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But some of the

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, sort of the grit and the just work through it and the there's no crying here like some of that stuff that it seems that she kind of has built herself around it doesn't work for everybody now that is the thing that she needs to understand who are her customers well she works for Adam silver and the owners like she is the liaison and she works directly for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she works with the players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you may be able to use that type of speak with some of the owners, a little bit older, a lot older, in some cases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, that same gruff style may not work with

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[SPEAKER_01]: a younger player, you know, like the idea that, you know, can you speak to a Gen X person the same way that you could speak to?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the current, what is your generation called?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gen Z.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gen Z, like can do you have to learn how to speak to your your folks a little bit differently to get the outcome that you that you're looking for so that is what I see and obviously there's just from the outside looking in I don't have any real insight that anyone else doesn't have, but it's all about communication it's literally what it is is she has to have the ability to communicate she has to have the ability to listen and those players need to to believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that she is listening to them and willing to do something about their concerns, like the referee thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know when is the first person who went to Kathy and said, yo, this referee situation is brutal, but we saw the end of the finals last year where a lot of people thought the officiating was horrendous in the last game of the most important game of the entire

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[SPEAKER_01]: As far as I could tell, they didn't really do much different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's ran it back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you had coach after coach, after coach, be vocal about the officiating, like disrespectful about the officiating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in some sense, as I kind of feel like the disrespect is about the officiating, but it is also for the bigger ears of the bigger boss

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[SPEAKER_01]: and they want that frustration to get to her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so why is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like why do they feel like they have to yell and scream to get Cathy's attention?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is something that I think, you know, if you are Cathy's boss that you should really look into.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like why did we have to yell and scream and be disrespectful in order for Cathy to pay attention to us?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if Nefisa's comment is correct, that Cathy said only losers complain about officiating,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is such a narrow viewpoint to think about your league in like you should think about making sure that everything about your league is as good as humanly possible with the amount of investment that you could spend not that these players who are the key to the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: are not tough enough, and if they complain, they are actually losers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is just, that is not something that a leader should actually say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure there's not the last that we'll hear of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll hear, I'm sure Kathy will come back with a much better statement than these ones that she's had, and hopefully Nefisa can kind of, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: be a little bit more calm in these situations because I think the the league or the players need her leadership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're going to just basically flip your middle finger at the leader and say, I'm out like that's not beneficial either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She could she could be the thing that helps drive this thing to where the the players want it to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope that she does figure that part out because she's got

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[SPEAKER_01]: a lot of power and influence right now being the best player or the second best player in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And same with Asia, but Asia seems to be a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: brand conscience, I guess, because of her stardom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so maybe in Ephesus personality is a little different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is the type of person that they need to be the leader of the player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is something that is going to be interesting to see over this next three weeks or whatever until this deadline of October 31st.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some players are just like a little like some people are just better at.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, leading and and being outspoken.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think Asia is right there with the FISA, but just might not be like, you know, as good as that type of stuff, I can't and you can't expect that I guess every best player to kind of have that ability, but like Asia did say like she was disgusted by Kathy's comments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Michael Jordan historically,

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[SPEAKER_01]: not a great leader of the players right because he had his own brand to protect that was bigger than anybody else's brand and even to some extent the leagues brand and so he wasn't going to get caught up in that stuff and you know in a feast that this is where I think unrivaled may have a piece of it which is

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[SPEAKER_01]: she understands the WNBA's business a little bit more than most because she's got her own start-up league and she saw all of the things that you know I'm sure she learned a lot by being and being the you know one of the owners of the of that league and and being behind

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[SPEAKER_01]: getting the sponsorships and how did they get the money and on all that she's she probably that was probably like almost getting a business degree in a sense of just doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she's also coming at it from a much smarter side than before she started running a league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I think is something also to check check it on like what if unrivaled was just like

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to 30 teams, we're taking all of your players and then the WMBA goes, well, we're giving all of these players a two X or three X increase, but we are allowing teams to have their contracts written out so that they can't play it unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's like, checkmate, you know, do you want to do that to Nefisa and Brianna?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this whole thing is so

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[SPEAKER_01]: and they understand that they are at the kind of at like the breaking point of whether this league continues to take off like it has, but they also have the power and control to kind of deflated a little bit with a work stoppage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a lot of pressure here for everyone involved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I thought that this was going to get resolved in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe the owners and the NBA would kind of just give in a little bit and be like, you know, like this, you can't have that same conversation that this league is losing money that people might have said a couple years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it is there's clear like you can look at the attendance like the Valkyries sold out every single game you can look at, you know, every single NBA owner seems to now want to get into the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Philly with Detroit with and there's so way more like I know Boston's trying bad and it's There's just so many factors of you know the Caitlin effect the page effect the angel effect just like so many eyes and and it feels like it's Everywhere and you can't say like This isn't like a profitable thing like it clearly is so

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I kind of feel like the owner, the, I thought that this would get resolved and that people would come to their senses a little more, but it kind of seems like they're not like really kind of budging still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that to me, like, I think you, I think you do a work stoppage if you're the players and, like, kind of hold strong on this because they're not coming around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think every time a work stoppage has happened,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is taking some time for the fans to come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is what you are risking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The owners probably know that as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is too like corporate like annoyance for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I just I feel like the players shouldn't have the bud.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I feel like they're the reasons why we're doing we're watching all this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're the reasons, one of the one of the complex things we'll move on after this is that

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the NBA, like so, the league signed the $77 billion deal on the, uh, with their latest TV negotiation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So because you have the owners and the players and they have negotiated a 50 50 split, it is very easy to figure out where the money goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the WMBA, the split is not 50, 50 with owners and players because there's a legal investment by the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have a WNBA ownership that owns some of the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a little bit of double dipping with both WNBA and NBA owners being the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this, they had to raise some money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they have like these individual owners that are involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have the players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's so much harder to kind of split the money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see, I don't know if we'll actually see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But as they renegotiate this thing, like what percentage of basketball related income do the players actually get?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I saw 9%.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm talking about for the new one, for what they want to negotiate, because it's not, I don't think it can be 50 with the way the money is split up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, because the NBA NBA gets 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so then they have to take that other 50 and then divide it amongst the three groups that you mentioned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what does that number get to because when you get to that number, then it'll make a little bit more sense to how much the players, the salaries will increase and all those things, but like I would love to know what the players want or what what they would agree to as real as to what that basketball related income percentage is going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's other things involved too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want certain, you know, that they actually went a good amount last time on mothers and care and then they got the the flights last year, the private flights last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there had there have been sort of slowly, but surely I'm sure they feel like at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they want a lot more than this slowly but surely salaries benefits all of the stuff because this is there one chance right it is it is there one opportunity in the history of this league where the they actually have a chance to negotiate for big stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think they're just going to hold strong on the first point, which is that percentage and we'll see where they get to because I think that we've said it multiple times on this podcast, but it's like, you know, we want something okay, then what you're going to give us on the other side from like that being the owners and I just think they might really just hold strong on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: revenue share percentage and I just wonder like what else is going to get addressed if they're just putting so much energy and focus into that first point, which I do believe requires that much energy and focus if they're not budging, but I who knows the officiating might slip under the kind of not be as high of a like an issue point for them because they're fighting for like to $70,000 for the first year of a rookie contractor, whatever it is like what are we doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that ends the Padala segment of Golden State hoop and let's talk some warriors with the death line up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we talked a little bit about Kominga at the top, but he wasn't the only person who they have added to the roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is Alhorford who played last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: De Anthony Melton, who is they're bringing along slowly because of his knee injury last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Seth Curry, who is currently on the roster, they will then wave him and bring him back after the season starts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What do you think about the additions to this basketball team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not that these are surprises.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We knew all of this for pretty much the whole summer, but now that you, now that they're finally done, and I don't know if you got to see any of the game last night, but Al did play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to see a little bit of the wrinkles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think it makes sense to not like have this big splash in the free agency, you know, we're waiting on the coming thing and then it kind of ends up being hoerford, melton, Seth and a little bit and then you bring JK back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like you think about it contextually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this team we've set up before in this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like sometimes we're just recycling information, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: They, there's an argument to be made that they win them in a soda series, if Steph does not get hurt, I think there's a likely argument that that happens just seeing after how game one went.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, if that's the case, you're in a Western conference finals with Oklahoma City, who you've kind of played well, since they have kind of started to be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've always regardless of a few where they see it, or a few where missing the play and entirely in the CP3, or they've always kind of played okay, see good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you never know how that works out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you, I could say the warriors would have won in the Western Conference Finals against OKC, but I'm not saying OKC would have stomped them by any means.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it could have been the tight series, but then you just take that and you add on Horford, and you add on Melton, and you basically add two more playoff reliable pieces that, you know, Steve Kurt trusts to a team that could have went to the Western Conference Finals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, contextually, like that, to me, they are a top three contending team in the West behind okay, C and Denver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're gonna head to Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, I had a Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see, I mean, I'm not saying they will finish top three in the West, I think they'll probably finish in like the fifth, hopefully fourth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, hopefully higher, but I could realistically see four to five, you know, all those 35 year old dudes and up, like they have a plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: will see if they, you know, can cross the 65 game mark and if so, how much more games will they play, like it will have to see during that time, how everyone else kind of steps up and if they're able to string together some wins for the regular season, but I feel like in that four to five range is where I'm kind of predicting, but I think they're a top three team in the West.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I think it looked good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd last now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I only watched up to half.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but there was a play where dream on like I think kind of bit on maybe like a gate Vincent cross or something and usually it's like off dream on bit like we kind of have like all right lay up like bucket if you dream on couldn't catch up and then you see or for it's going for a block and I'm like oh like you can't know where I was like yeah I did I did not expect that to happen

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like, Dramon is just, you know, one of the smartest defensive players I've ever watched in my life and you put another smart defensive player next to him and or for another one with Jimmy, it's like, I think things start to make sense and start to look good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm very hopeful about the addition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like staff was a little in mid season for me yesterday already hitting some of those wild threes, which kind of makes sense because he hasn't played basketball on a wild because he did not play in most of the timberwell series and he's probably like itching to get back because no Olympics this summer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: no Olympics no offseason you know that would be actually be the only offseason commitment would be a Olympics but yeah just a full summer of rehab and training and

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think Dramon was the only one to me that looked a little like, okay, maybe he's not in full game speed shape, but I'm not worried about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's going to be just fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, this is a training camp where you get to kind of actually finally work through a Jimmy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a Laker friend who was kind of trying to give me a sales pitch on the lakeers, like, oh, well, we finally get like a full training camp of Luca and LeBron, you add eight in and Marcus smart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was thinking about I was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The lawyers did as good as they did last year and they actually didn't even have that training camp with Steph and Jimmy and you know Jimmy integrated with the rest of the team, so that makes me even more high on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think to me, it's just Steve Kerr has more players that he trusts that we actually believe in, you know, it's like It's not like Anthony Lamb, it's like Alhorford and Anthony Milton hoping that he gets healthy and I don't know if you notice, but I think coming as minutes, there was a clear intent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on crashing the glass really hard and not really at least in the half the halftime minutes that I saw up to it was there was a clear intent of doing what you know Steve has been asking of him since he was drafted and I was keeping note of that I was like huh like I think the relationship is probably screwed but like he does that

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[SPEAKER_01]: who knows and also depends who's out there at the trade deadline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the player that you're trading coming before doesn't even fit your team is good as coming and then you just keep them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But and in coming as mine, he might just be doing that so he gets minutes and he's not, you know, because otherwise it's like he does the old stuff and Steve Kerr goes, okay, you're benched and then he's not able to get traded and maybe have the team opt out of his deal and then negotiate the long-term deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's probably long-term what he wants is to get traded, have the team

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[SPEAKER_00]: opt out of the team option, then he restructures and renegotiates a long-term deal with whatever team he's traded to and to do that he needs to be on the floor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I could see like doing the little things to stay on the floor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It might be beneficial to him, but it looks good with the warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks good when he's crashing the glass as athletic as he is in fighting hard for that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were a couple moments in the game, early in the game, where he did the normal coming

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[SPEAKER_01]: old habits, die hard man like he caught the ball out near the the the the three point area and you could tell it was either swing immediately or do something with the basketball and he took it and he did like a jab step right which allowed the defense to catch up to everything and then decided to play it was over and I was like

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[SPEAKER_01]: these these are old habits that he's got to figure out and later in the game there was a moment where because I think I think when when we watch him

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[SPEAKER_01]: if he hesitates and then he shoots, we automatically think he's going to miss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was an opportunity late, maybe it's the third quarter, where he kind of caught it and immediately shot the three and it looked really smooth and it looked like something that was supposed to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh, that looked great and then he made it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you also, you watch Moses Moody,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you go, man, this dude does everything that Steve Kerr wants him to do offensively and defensively, so it makes a lot of sense as to why he's getting the run out there and then you compare him to JK and it's like if Moses moody had the JK body and he was doing all of those things you've got like

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the one of the best young wings in the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it is it's just who they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I would I think one if if JK was just just a sliver

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[SPEAKER_01]: more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he just stopped hesitating, if he could figure out exactly what he wanted to do before he had to do it, I think a lot of the stuff that he does that makes us kind of scratch our heads would just be gone because you're like, okay, that was definitive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what he wanted to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got it made a basketball move and he's literally at the rim.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If that play was supposed to go to Steph, but he actually scored the two points, I don't think you can really blame him for that, but it's when he cannot put those chain moves together and it stalls the offense and then he misses the layup and then Steph is open in the corner where you're like this, this guy's driving me nuts, just be more decisive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's really the whole key to his game is be more decisive and if you do the wrong thing,

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[SPEAKER_01]: My bad like I acknowledge that my bad and just keep it moving because you know the this whole game that they've been playing he and Steve together of He's not doesn't do the things that we wanted to do and JK like oh I get picked on like that thing is it's not going to work for for this season because they have one goal Which is what you said and Steve Kerr was on Tim Calacami today could not

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[SPEAKER_01]: shut up about the stat of what their record was once Jimmy Butler came on their team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just kept repeating that over and over and over and he's using that as the reason why they believe that they have a chance this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that's valid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think some of those times when you know you'd see a good stretch of Kominga and then it's like why is he not playing in the playoffs or like why is he getting benched here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like those teams

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[SPEAKER_00]: weren't all that good, and, you know, in JK's defense, he could be like, dude, like, like Anthony Lamb's playing in front of me, like what the hell?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I hate to keep picking on Anthony Lamb, but, but, you know, like those teams kind of didn't have, we thought that they might make some noise in the playoffs, but they weren't like true championship contenders, you know, the year after the title, and then leading up to this Jimmy year,

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[SPEAKER_00]: be like you're benching me but like what else do we have?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This time we actually have something you know since Jimmy came like so Steve could have really used that and be like do it like you barely got run and without you it looked like we were going to maybe get to the western conference finals and not that he's actually picking on coming up but that's more of a way for him to enforce what he believes is true is saying like if you if you do these things

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Warriors have a game on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then they play against trouble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's Lakers on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trouble is, again, the following Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Clippers that Friday and then the season begins October 21st.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that is an NBC game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, what day of the week is October 21st that is a Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the season is not that far away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact I think it's an NBC game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are is it going to be wild for you because I think you're entire life basketball has been on TNT or with that with Turner, is it going to be weird to go where's the game on and somebody goes, oh, you got to watch it on peacock or you got to watch it on NBC or it's on Amazon prime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's it's just games are going to be a little different this year for a lot of the NFL kind of got me ready for that because Like it's just wild how many different places you have to go to for the NFL so I don't think it'll be as much of a shock once I have to start doing it for the NBA like okay yeah get it sucks stupid that I have to go to peacock or prime or these other places, but How do you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am, they were on NBC when Michael Jordan was at his peak.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They left NBC to go to ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's after MJ retired the second time, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like post wizards, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now that, you know, now they're back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's been, you know, 25 years since they've been on NBC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm kind of excited because

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[SPEAKER_01]: NBC has Sunday night football obviously and when Sunday night football is over I think basketball will transition into that Sunday night slot so that will be pretty cool and then they'll have Monday peacock games and then on Amazon Prime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still not really used to watching sports through that app though I did have to watch the 49ers game the other day through that app and I kind of they have like these little gimmicky things I watched it in a different way I didn't watch the normal broadcast because I just wanted to see how how you can watch it differently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they have some bells and whistles for the NBA as well

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and obviously Disney and ESPN that, you know, that no door spark this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Tim Legler instead of door spark and Mike Breen and Richard Jefferson and Tim Legler, they're just cracking jokes on each other all game long and I was like, is this what this is going to be, man?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or is I hope it's just for the first preseasoning games?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to hear these guys do a podcast while I'm watching basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so, you know, the league is, uh, it'll be a little different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll see what happens with inside the NBA being on ESPN this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the opening week, they're doing their first game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Chuck and Kenny and Ernie and Shaq will be on ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that'll be a little different, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So lots of intrigue, especially with the broadcasting, heading into the new season of the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, you know, you can't take, and I saw Warriors Twitter getting so excited about how well Moses Moody was playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, come on, guys, you know better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is just preseason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Kurt had lots of praise for Moses, lots of praise for pods.

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[SPEAKER_01]: People are thinking that pods is getting in as Jalen Bronson bag this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Staffel it great, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did watch and wonder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, for for plays alongside Dremon is Dremon almost going to be like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have to do as much, so thus, what do I do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like kind of thing, like what does Dramon do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he doesn't have to cover so much of the court, so that'll be an interesting pairing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm actually interested to see how they play together or for Dramon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they just like cover the whole back end of the bucket and then it's just like, oh my gosh, this is craziness, but that's what I'm interested to see too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're good for this episode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably not on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe back in our normal slot and who knows the finals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe over by the time we come back and also by the time we come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be like a week away from the season starting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... that is the end of our death line up segment of golden state hoop so for Brian i am double g we will see when we see you piece out