The Bob Melvin Exit: Posey's Full Statement & Playoff Preview | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_00]: with Drosion, throws to Sandberg on the pitches, proud of the second base, Thompson has it, throws the first, it's over 27 years of waiting of Piltta in, the Giants of one, the Pente.

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[SPEAKER_00]: After careful evaluation, we determined that making a change in leadership was in the best interest of the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The last couple of months have been both disappointing and frustrating for all of us, and we did not perform up to our standards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We now turn our focus to identifying a new leader to guide us forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was that Bob Quinn?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm just kidding.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One Buster Posey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went way back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went way back to Bob Quinn there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been what about Al Rosen when we were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Al Rosen?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wanted to do 93 to 96 Bob Quinn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those weird years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything was OK for a moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buster Posey made his big move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't waste any time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of expected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you were feeling going into the day because so originally I had pitched to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Day after the season's over,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know Buster's not happy with 80, 81 and 81.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do a segment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you remember when he was in his heyday playing catcher, there was a meme on Twitter whenever he would throw somebody out at second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it would say, Buster ain't having it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was like, well, we'll do this segment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about kind of the pieces of the team that aren't really Buster like, you know, Ryan Walker, not Buster ain't having it, given up all these save opportunities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he made the move today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we had to kind of shelve that that situation, but he, I fully, I woke up this morning thinking, I think Bob Melvin's going to be fired today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where you sat, but just after kind of the, it's not even really what he said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of what he didn't say of late that made me think about it and to fall just short.

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[SPEAKER_00]: two games, they were two games back in the wild card race.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if they if they actually made it into the wild card race, you had a three a three game sprint against the Dodgers who they haven't played well against in like four years that would have been tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just sense that I was like I think he's going to get rid of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What word did you end up before you saw the news?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was probably after the game yesterday, I think it was probably 70% sure he was gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also knew that if Buster was going to do it, he likes to be the first, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sign Willy Adomis early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Buster doesn't mess around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: if he's going to be ready for feathers before anybody else was making trade exactly if he's going to do something he's going to do something he's thought about it it's not a quick trigger decision it's something that's probably been festering and thought about for a while I'm sure this has been thought about since I don't know three or four weeks after he gave him the one year extension yeah I think you know quickly after that maybe a month after that he was like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that little, you know, kick in the butt didn't work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now I'm on to other things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then, you know, they started fighting a little bit in early September late August early September, but yeah, I think going to bed last night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was about 70% sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I knew if he was going to do it, it was going to happen this morning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't going to be something that was going to happen two days from now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Buster wants to start his search.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to have as many people to choose from as he can get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So being one of the first teams along with the twins, I think, at the end of one, who fired Rocco Baldelli.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's another guy that Giants could bring in and interview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just came off of, you know, it's a tough situation in Minnesota with the ownership there and everything and, you know, them changing hands and the sale and everything just basically going downhill.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's a guy that, you know, he's a player's manager, but yeah, I'm going into that later everybody who we think, but, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't think I was as surprised as I thought I was going to be about a week ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were all kind of wondering.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and so this is sort of I was wondering, which is they made the run, they actually,

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[SPEAKER_00]: were tied for the wild card at one point and then they fell off again and I wonder what would have happened if they would have actually from that point on they get hot and they stay hot and maybe they've been win the wild card by a few games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if Buster would have come to the same conclusion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of sounds like he was thinking about this and maybe even the winning

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[SPEAKER_00]: not that's not saying that it wasn't a positive thing, but it would've kind of thrown a wrench in his plans a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I believe what you said, which is he's probably started thinking about this when Melvin could not get this team over that insane losing streak, including losing games at home where they were just not competitive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I started

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want out of a manager like we've been through now so obviously boat boat was the best that we've ever seen and he's got the titles to show for it and then you go to Gabe Kapler who's kind of like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He he's he's a little bit of an arm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of a very micro-managing head of baseball operations and farhawn.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they have to be aligned in order for this thing to work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are aligned in a way where you're like trying to align mega computers to compute out like the best possible scenarios here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they were so in line and, you know, farhawn, I've heard him talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you know, we didn't always agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we had some

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some discussion and debate on things, but it did seem like it's kind of like this Dodgers and Dave Roberts scenario where Dave Roberts is there to get the blame on stuff really and yeah, you know, he's a good spokesperson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a ex-player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He understands his role.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can talk to players, but really like he doesn't really do anything without having this

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[SPEAKER_00]: In that sense, you're like, okay, we're following this model that works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you have Gabe Kapler and Farhan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we were dealing with stuff like...

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the giants are bunning while they're up like eight runs and we're trying to justify it even though we know that when we were playing in high school if we did that, we would expect to get drilled in the back and all those things and so when when the Gabe Kapler scenario expires, you go, oh, let's bring back an old school guy, let's bring back the old catcher who, you know, who's been around baseball since the 80s and you know, it's easy to fall back on that plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I actually liked the idea, it's who we, we actually were talking about who would be the best candidate, but what happened, at least for me in the season is

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[SPEAKER_00]: We started to notice, and not, I hate saying this, but like literally at the All Star Break, I was like, my biggest fear is them going right back to 500 and being 81 and 81 at the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly the record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was almost like you have this opportunity and you didn't have the manager to

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[SPEAKER_00]: push the gas pedal down and go, okay guys, like let's go on a run and win this whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And on the flip side, when they went on the losing streak, you didn't have the guy who was like, after this guys, you know, we can't have this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this is ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're way better, look at all the money that we put into this scene.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We cannot be playing like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bob, it seemed, now we, we were not in those dugouts, but just his public persona seems like he just sat in the middle of like everything will take care of itself, we just have to be smart and so I don't know what levers there were to pull for him and I don't know what levers you can pull with grown men in playing professional sports these days, but it does seem like there should have been something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that he could have done to inspire a better play when they needed it most, which might be luck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It might also be what makes managers great at their job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the piece that I don't know, but I don't sense that Bob had that piece this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a little bit of both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the front office giving you those parts to get cohesive and be that team that can get over the hump that can fight when the chips are down and you know get some big wins and it's a little bit on the manager side too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What kind of vibe is there in the clubhouse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, everybody talks to highly of them and so it doesn't sound like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it doesn't sound like it was a poosoi in the clubhouse situation, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it doesn't sound like the end of the capillary years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, so he still had the clubhouse, but it was just a matter of, I think this message from Buster is basically look.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I gave you the pieces that I thought we could get into the playoff this year, it didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if he thought, hey, I still have more to add to this roster, which they always do, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if he thinks he's far off and still another two or three years away, Bob Melvin is here next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the situation is that, Buster probably felt like, we have the pieces right now to get into the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I gave you devours, you know, I mean, yes, I took pieces away at the trade deadline, but that's because it was after a six game losing streak to the Mets and the Pirates at home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So his hand was forced, he had to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's just basically saying, I gave you the pieces, we should have gotten on the playoffs, it didn't happen, we need to go another direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, which is sad to see you know, we love Bob Melvin and and you know, he's he's a giant and go back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got Bob Melvin's autograph.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, gosh, when I was 14 years old 13 years old ran down the railing and I got his and Bob Bradley there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a team together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the Bob's a catchers were there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I brought my cards with me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got both of their autographs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've, you know, we me and Bob Melvin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: taking forever to get there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I think I would like to see as a manager going forward for the giants is, you know, and we talked about this before we got Bob Melvin isn't mix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to have analytics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You cannot turn your back to analytics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's 2025.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the year of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: As we've seen the one year that the Giants went to the playoffs since, you know, 2016, so 2017 and on and on, the one year they went to the playoffs, it was fully analytics with Gabe Kaplan as crew and they won 107 ball games and they hit so many home runs and they hit so many home runs, but to the fall to also of

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[SPEAKER_01]: the next couple years it didn't work because if you had a guy who was hitting two home runs in a game, but then he sat the next game because he was a lefty on lefty and wasn't in the starting line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've even though he was feeling himself with two home runs the night before he didn't play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that that started to kind of rub the team the wrong way and that became a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there needs to be and it's got to be somebody young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It has to be somebody young because

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is, you know, this is going to be his forever manager, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants a forever manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants a 10-year manager that's going to get him to play off, you know, seven out of the 10 years at least, and, you know, possibly win a championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's what Buster wants to hire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be Bruce Boachy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be Dusty Baker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But those guys are in their 70s.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, bring them both in this hang out, bring them both in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but Bochi has a manager and Dusty Baker is the bench coach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Put him in just like pay them to come to the park and hang out and just be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bring their good juju and, you know, just kind of sit on the throne.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sit on the throne.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this young manager, you know, can can utilize you for some help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be a dream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're good wine, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that a dream?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're good wine and the stands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to be either one of those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need a young guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You need somebody who's going to build with Buster Posey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The same philosophy going forward on the same page with the front office where they can do some damage for the next 10 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's who we're going to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not going to see boatsier dusty Baker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I looked up ESPN, who wrote this, I don't know who wrote this, it just says ESPN.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So who knows who wrote this thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they have a list of... I was looking for the name of Jeff Peson, but that is not the name that is on this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no name actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So top potential candidates.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... the associate manager of the guardians crag albernaz

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... is on the list and like you said dusty and bogey are on this list uh... ryan flarity who's uh... chicaku cubs bench coach and former player uh... buster's homey mark halberg who was a giant's first base coach nick hunley who it seems like uh... i mean you'd have to pull him out of his uh... out of his current job with the

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he would have some understanding of the things that Buster and Zach would be dealing with based on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming his kind of mentorship there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Skip Schumacher, who it sounds like is who the Rangers would want to follow Bochi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Tony Vitello, who is currently the head baseball coach of the University of Tennessee and won the College World Series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what ESPN says.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you heard of any other names that strike your interest?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I haven't heard, I mean, Mark Dorosa is another one that was thrown out there, former giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he wasn't like big time former giant, but he's a former giant and he managed the USA team in the World Baseball Classic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's another name that I've seen out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how I would feel about that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love D-Row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's awesome on MLB network.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you did a good job with the USA team, but, you know, what kind of experiences there, that's the hard part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I guess I've also thrown my hat in the ring to say, I...

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[SPEAKER_01]: also want somebody with experience, not just somebody young, but with experience, which is a little bit harder to find, but Hallberg has some experience in the major league clubhouse day in and day out working with Bob Melvin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got some experience in the clubhouse, in the dugout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's what I'm looking for, not just a former player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nick Hunley, that's the name, you threw out there, also I've seen that name.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be an interesting choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's worked with Buster, you know, Buster and him, or you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: basically on the the same roster, catcher and backup catcher, hunglies a guy who I think he lasted two years ago when the giants were doing their search.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He declined because he was, you know, just freshly out of baseball, but word is that he's going to end up somewhere with somebody at some point being a coach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, out of all of them,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Alburn as is probably the most intriguing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Halberg would be a great pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think those two guys are probably the front runners, I would say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you never know, I mean, this search is starting the day after the season ended.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's gonna be a lot of names that are floating around out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Rob, who's hanging out in the chat, shout out to Rob, also shout out to Davis, aka drip, who's in the chat as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rob's list includes Hunley, Ned Yos, didn't we beat him in the world series?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Poor Ned Yos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got some old Milwaukee brewery in that house car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I could.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mike Matheney, Ron Wotis, his old school giants, and Grady size more, Grady size.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I got some Grady size more cards in the MLB of the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's his list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to put that out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the interesting thing that you said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: about five minutes ago was about how Buster is looking for someone that he can partner with for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's such a crazy thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this kind of pairs back to who he wanted to be the GM, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And does somebody who you know and has worked with you and has worked on your staff before?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that person have

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[SPEAKER_00]: the inside to that job versus somebody that you don't know just because you're like, oh, we have this thing, I, I, you know, and I'm specifically thinking about Hallberg because they, they do know each other and they are friends.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at some point, I'm sure Buster had his probably told him, you know, you'd probably be a really good measure, like, you know, and so now he would have the opportunity to make that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: reality, if it fit the way that they would want it to, but I was thinking about that because how do you how do you create the opportunity for this long-term pairing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: based off of a resume and based off of a job interview and based off of a conversation about baseball because it's not like you can take a month to make this decision you they're going to have to make this decision several days after meeting people and it's really like who you know it's like anybody who's been in a job interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it is like oh for whatever

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[SPEAKER_00]: we aligned, or this person was really charming at this point, but at least with how bird and anybody in the giant's organization or anybody who buster played with or even played against, I do wonder if that favors people you are familiar with for this kind of role, because it's not like now the flip side would be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if Buster thought that the giants had the best roster in baseball, and it was the coaches fault as for them not managers fault for them not winning the world series, like Phil Jackson getting brought in to coach the lakers like he's a hired gun for one reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't hired with the lakers to be there forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was hired with the lakers to straighten out

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[SPEAKER_00]: situation where they had a talented roster and they had guys who were not on the same page and he's the guru at that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not what this is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, no, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Busters higher to put his imprint on this baseball club.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The goal is probably to be here for a little while and to be a partner with and to win, you know, some playoff games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is a different discussion, which is why I wonder if someone like Halberg has a little bit of the inside track.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I assume they do because whoever is getting hired is there to be on the same page as Buster Posey and implement Buster Posey's vision of what championship teams should be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's played on championship teams and again, you can't run it back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't go get Bochi and then, you know, because if you're going to do that, you might as well, Buster, you might as well suit up and get behind the dish again because I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's just not going to work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, Ned Yost is 70.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't mean, yeah, that's that's what it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's what I was thinking about with Yost, because I think Yost and maybe Bochi, maybe not Justi, because I think Dusty, how is it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it Dusty older than those guys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Dusty 76.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, does he's older?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think you would bring in and this is, you know, we had this conversation and I made my play for Boach as a, you know, Buster brings them in because he knows him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a two-year deal with the idea that you also hire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: somebody underneath Boachy to eventually take over and they just kind of they're on that they just they just gain the Boachiness by being around him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's that's more fairy tale than anything else, but what you're saying and this is you know, I get why Rob wants you just because

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is what Buster wants and he wants pitching and defense and base running and all those things, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But can you bring somebody in who is has been around for that long and invest the same amount of time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe net jokes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: wins a world series and they're like, all right, guys, I'm done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're going to do this all over again, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is one, that is one reason why they may lean younger like you, but if you were the Dodgers, like, let's say you're the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, let's say they get, let's say they get smoked by the reds, which would be the most embarrassing thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll talk about the playoffs here in a second, the wildcard round, and the Guggenheim people are just like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave Roberts is the problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's bring in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a Yoda.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that we just win the next three titles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's why they're that's where you would bring in somebody who's got this like amazing pedigree like a boochie or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you do that in the giants scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But look, man, you know, this team could utilize a.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a type of a type of pedigree that you would hope to build on, which is why I like Bochi, but just this atmosphere, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gold blooded, you know, all of the idea that these teams never say die, you know, these last two years, you know what the giants were really good at?

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[SPEAKER_00]: dying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're really good at dying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had to have some good comfort behind wins this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I spent, and then, and I thought they played well in close games, but you know what also would happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just get their asses blown out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and you felt like they couldn't, you know, they couldn't get a hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whatever that is, I think, I think Buster is a part of creating that for whatever this team becomes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not an easy job because you can put

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any, you know, I think Buster means a lot to us because of who he was as a player and we know his personality and what he's how relentless he's going to be and how when he was a rookie, he kind of became like one of the team leaders as a rookie, like all of those things are good things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now now what is that show up as for the team and what kind of team they're going to be?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's interesting to just let throw ages out there as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alburn is is going to be 43 next month and in December, Halberg is going to be 40.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're looking at a couple of guys that could be around, you know, if they come out of the gates hot with the giants, they could be manager for the giants for 10, 10 plus years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and I think that's what Buster wants stability too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he doesn't want the two-year manager, the three-year manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've had enough of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, start over again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, here we are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't want to do this again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This will be his first managerial higher, and he doesn't want it to be, you know, just a quick one and done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's he's learning on the job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bob Melvin and picking up his option for one year a mistake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can't see his next pollination on why he did it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did and and I think we pretty much knew that when it happened to it was a kick in the pants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a can we get this team going and and I get that because the team was struggling and you wanted to show them we don't have a lame duck manager anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now we have a guy who's going to be here this year and next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now it's time for everybody to show accountability.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, is it, you know, it's the manager's job to put players in positions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it be, you know, with the information they're given before the game, scouting reports and everything else to positions on the field, to positions in the batting order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's up to the manager to put them in positions to best use their strengths and to minimize their weaknesses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think Buster feels like he's got a line up where a manager can come in and do that and just Bob Melbourne wasn't it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's why I don't necessarily feel like that was a mistake to up him in the middle of the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: from a money standpoint at her see organization a little bit, but again, that little bit of money and the grand scheme of things, especially with your attendance shooting up, and they want to ride that wave as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of things that went into this decision, but I completely agree with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think most of the most giant fans were in them gone anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's a I haven't found too many who are like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Darn it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to run this back again next year and do the same thing over again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rob is in the chat talking about will venable as the one who got away and his dad played for the giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good old man venable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would have been yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Will venable is the one that got away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Steven vote is the one that got away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you could go on and on and on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it is what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this story is not going to be over because the giants will have to hire somebody and we will discuss it when it happens though you'll be out next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we won't have a show next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when we come back, we'll more than likely probably have some news.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to expect when you do come back if I'm on vacation and we get a higher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to, and you end up going on the air, I'm going to record some thoughts in a voice map on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to send it to you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll have some thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We did this thing at the beginning of the season where we made some predictions and you have those predictions and we're going to look at them and I'm going to cover my eyes because I imagine some of them are really bad because we're always optimistic for the season starts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and so why don't you talk about the ones that we made and and how we did yeah well this year we actually had a winner i think last year we tied i think we we both got like three right last year this year we had a winner we still didn't do well in fantastic

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were we were a game over 500 and the other one was a game under 500.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's we were the giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we did pick five predictions at the beginning of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This goes back to I think March.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like a week before the season started, but here the first couple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: are pretty amazing to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the over under that I picked 87.5 wins on the season for the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went under, so I won that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I picked 87, so I just came a game and all right, a half a game under.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You picked 81.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You picked under and 81.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's kind of like two wins right there, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My biggest fear of the season was finishing my fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, your fear came true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You predicted it, and here we are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're tied one one after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... the next one was kind of fun over under sixty five and a half start to combine for verlander ray and hickson and the reason i threw that out there is because of your before they only made forty four starts to get you know hickson twenty is his first year as a starter verlander had seventeen coming off of the injury and robby ray had seven coming off of Tommy John right

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the overall under is set of 65.5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the three of them started 70 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robyn Ray 32.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're landed 29 and Hicks had nine starts with the giants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said over and I went with 68.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was real close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You said over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you went with 70.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So two and a row you went over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: right on the top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even though you're up, or we're tied to too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm giving you the edge, because you nailed both of those.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have not even made $2 on a lot of ticket years and years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you need to swing up to Reno and hit the slot machine that I just went together to do now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This one's ugly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This one's covered your, cover your ears and your eyes on this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 30.5 saves for Ryan Walker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Zips had him at 28.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, I'm going to be a little bit boost 30.5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We both took the over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I took 33.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You took 32.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had 17.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we did not win either of those, you know, part of my calculus was I was reading Eno Sarah's article about him before the season started, which was here are sort of unconventional guys that you don't really think about, but who may come through as guys you're going to remember at the end of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, he's a very smart guy, but he's not writing it as, you know, fact.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, hey, here's the heads up on someone you may have not heard of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, you know what, if he's thinking about Walker, maybe Walker season last year, wasn't just, you know, that's not saying it was luck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was, he was a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty good pitcher for some for a lot of last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looked really really good last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there were there were moments where all of a sudden he would just lose everything and like not like he that because he throws from such an incredible angle he threw he can throw hard from that angle and then you drop in a slider from that angle and it almost looks unhittable like what I was talking about MLB the show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love pitching with him in MLB the show because you can just drop sliders just on the outside lower corner of the plate all day long and that's kind of what he was doing but it does seem like I don't know if some of it was mental fatigue, I don't know if there was anything physical going on but it did seem like push comes to shove the bigger the moment the harder it was for him

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then it just turned into this like he became like Tanner Scott at the end of the season for whatever reason and they couldn't even trust him and you know this is what is so hard about that job that he has I'm not gonna I don't I don't compare closers to NFL kickers because I think NFL kickers if you wanted to change the game slightly you just say we don't really need these guys we just forced people to go for touchdowns but

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[SPEAKER_00]: They do they are similar in the way that the only way you really know who they are is when they screw up and Ryan Walker Like nobody felt comfortable with him after like May when he was pitching in a tough situation because he just did not look like he was in control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I don't expect him to pitch a single important ending for the team next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still got faith in that guy unless Buster himself was catching then then maybe Buster could figure it out, but I don't know man that that was a really scary thing in the end where this dude Not only was he not able to shut teams down or even

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[SPEAKER_00]: even like show a semblance of it, but that the look on his face when he was in the game, I was just like, there's no way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This dude has, this dude is not confident in any way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's where you nailed it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the look of fear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At some point where it's like, oh, uh, I'm standing out here naked on the mound without my control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm supposed to close out this ballgame because I'm looking down the list of saves leaders on the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even Carlos Esteban, Esteban's had 42 saves for the Royals, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He blew six saves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Suarez for San Diego.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 40 saves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He blew five on raise moonios.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seattle's arrow did closer, who's in the playoffs, 1.73 ERA, 38 saves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He blew seven saves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you know, that is, that is so interesting because like, and I think we think of like as we're growing up, like who the best relievers are in your life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it occurs like he like he blew, you know, he barely ever blew a save.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes these closers are not asked to do a ton and sometimes they're asked to do a little bit more because you we we were able to see Whenever Doval would pitch would have to stretch a little bit longer or maybe come in in the eighth inning He wasn't nearly as good as he was just having a clean Start to the ninth and so some of that is is also part of it, which is

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[SPEAKER_00]: the ability to have a clean start and then come in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this was Walker's problem is that he wasn't even great in those clean start innings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would create these issues and like you're like dude, you're you know, you can't believe him to sound anybody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and with the three batter rule, you're kind of stuck in that situation too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're in the past, you could say, I'll put you out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He walked the first two guys, get him out of there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you got a pitch to the third guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have a choice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you don't have it after those two guys,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you still don't have it and now you're like, well, I've got to come in or else I walk the base is loaded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you give up a double and one run, maybe two run score and you're in trouble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that that three battle rule kind of plays into it a little bit as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder if that's also why I do see, you know, closers come in and pitched the last out of the eighth inning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, now you've got free rain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: three-batter-roll, you've switched innings, so you don't have to follow that rule, but I wish I wonder if there's like a pitch-com signal for pretend your arm hurts, so we get you out of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, why did Ryan Walker's arm hurt 76 times the season?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's got a bum arm, but he doesn't need to go on the aisle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's doing fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like I have no ill-will towards running.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's human being.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He seems like a very nice guy, but it was so frustrating to watch him pitch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On a team again, and we're talking about, we're not talking about a 60-win team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking about an 81-win team where there were games there for them to get to 85.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a different story for a lot of different people if they get to 85.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and Ryan Walker did also have seven blown saves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he had as many blown saves as Andre's monos who closes for this Seattle Mariners with 38 saves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you'd obviously do the math, ratio, whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The more save opportunities Ryan Walker would have gotten, the more blown saves he might have gotten as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a tough job, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It really is a tough job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen it through the years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Giants had three different closers in their world series titles and one of them was named Madison Bumgarner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were in his situation against the Kansas City Royals in 2014, they didn't really have a closer they could trust.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, mmm, it's just bum garners going as long as he can and speaking of Ned Yost, I think it was in Alex Pavlovitch's book and I don't know if you've gotten to the bum garners chapter yet, but I think he said something to the effect of

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was Joe's, it was definitely somebody on their bench.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But after Bumgarner won that game, they were like, oh my gosh, thankfully we don't have to see him again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, then you know what happened after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oops, yeah, all right, guess we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I got to that part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm still like 56% through the book, but it's something I definitely got to finish.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, back to it, number three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was number three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The saves for Ryan Walker, so we're still tied to two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next, number four, over under 49.5 games played for Bryce Eldridge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He played in 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I went with the over at 54.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You went in the under at 13, you were three off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, right on it almost three for you two for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the last one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it always does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm always going to put if I'm only if we if we had five other things to choose from, I would make it six because I'd throw in stone bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rob Rob in the in the chat was talking about manager stolen base rates and stuff and how Melvin is like low the lowest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We want we we want stolen bases so badly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean if if one soda can steal bags, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's the other guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Josh Naler he was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and so the over under on this was 80.5, and I thought we're going to get there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in 2021, we had 66, 2022, we had 64, 2023 at 57, but then in 2024, we jumped up to 68.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought we can find 12 13 more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was it was Fitsi and Junghu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I said 80.5 is the overunder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went over you and over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said 95 you said 85.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had the exact same, we had in 2024.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We had 68 stolen bases, we did not improve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did not get worse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you know, a lot of that was wishful thinking on our end because in our brains, part of the ecosystem of them being a part of the plan for them to be a good team was to improve their base running.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it just started out the season like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then at some point, they stopped running completely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it was so weird.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Mel had to jump into the effect of like, well, we're not getting as many guys on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So thus, we don't want to risk them creating

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that could be part of the firing, too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe Buster wants somebody who's going to take some risks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have, if you don't have the opportunities, maybe you create the opportunities.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you have your guys ready to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you go into this series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: against the team with good pitching and you say look guys when we get the opportunity we are going to take the extra bases, we are going to steal bases if we get thrown out, we get thrown out, we're going to keep at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a part of the thing is when you've got a team like the Giants, you can't be scared on the base path, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, this is just me talking, because I like to push stolen bases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like to push, you know, get athletic guys, get guys on the base paths who can go from first to third, you know, that's what I want to see as a baseball fan as a Giants fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see the run in Giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so the next topic is, you know, we were doing this thing where we were doing monthly player of the month and we were doing, we were flip flopping between picture and offense and we were also doing like an unsung one as far as like, who's kind of under the radar?

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[SPEAKER_00]: as the player of the month who's not getting all the right ups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now we're going to do it for the whole season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the picture one is pretty easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you'd think too hard about yours, but I am interested to see who you chose for the unsung pitching MVP this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we went with Logan Webb for pitcher of the year, and pitcher MVP of the year, 15 wins at Titus career high from a couple years ago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let the national league and Indians pitch in strikeouts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've heard that, you know, a million times yesterday, but it is not something to sneeze at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that is a huge feat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last person to do that was Scherzer in 2018 for the nationals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Last person to do that in the national league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first, and he's also the first giant to do it since 1944, when you know this, and we all know this name, Bill Boyzell, in 1944.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's he's going to be one of the coaches that they're trying to hire as a man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's 110 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want an old guy, look for Bill Voizel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Second most innings pitched in his career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 3.22 ERA and a 2.60 FIP which tells you he could have even been better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The ERA maybe had a couple more wins if the defense was a little bit better behind him and they had a little bit more offense behind him, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my, my obvious picture MVP of the year for the hitters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that there's an obvious one because everybody is a little flawed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, you know, it's not really just hitting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also everyday players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You probably have to go a dumbest because 30 jacks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: an 87 RBI as well as 80 walks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now his walk rate is not I don't think it's quite as good as Devourses, but they probably strike out about the same, but they both walk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They both get on base, you know, Devours only hit 236 with us, but he had a 347 on base because he walked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Adamus is on base is not as great, but it's because he only hit 225, but the fact of the matter is for an everyday player, he played 160 games and he played short stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: his defense, I think we were really worried about the defense earlier in the season where like, oh my gosh, did we just, you know, did they just sign a future third basement, but it did pick up as the season when I was almost like as his hitting picked up his defense also picked up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, this is not, it wasn't like a slam dunk, but he did hit

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[SPEAKER_00]: nine more home runs than the next highest guy though you know diverse did hit 20 in much less at bats and if you kind of pro-rated it for him being here for a full season it's very possible that he gets over 30 with the giants

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I do think the everyday playing aspect, the playing shortstop aspect, you know better than most because I had problems with some of his swing decisions when the giant just needed a base hit and he's like swinging for like a 500 foot home run did did bother me, but that's kind of baseball today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that that is not it wasn't an easy one not necessarily the the best one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I could see somebody even saying Elio Ramos is a hitter was more valuable than William Domus, but then you look at how he played left field and you're like you talk about Logan Webb's Vip like there's probably half of it right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just Ramos, you know dancing and left field trying to field them all

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Ramos also played a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ramos is the only player on the team who had more at bats than a domis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those guys were on the field all year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, you know, I think this was something that we worried about, which was Jung-Hoo Lee being able to see the field for the whole season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Jung-Hoo Lee actually ended up hitting 266, not great, but not

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of our worry, which is that he was just going to be like a 240 hitter and not be able to get on base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, not fantastic options there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to lean Adamus just because he played 160 games and almost had 700 played appearances.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, that's a good pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you, you, you, you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: nobody else was really a catalyst for this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I struggled in the first half, but nobody else really carried this team as much as he did the second half of the season from that Colorado series in July on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was just, you know, vintage, really enormous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's who we thought we would have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And next year, you know, he had 30 home runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he put together a complete season,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, if you look at it, no, I've obviously this is all about staying healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chapman, Ramos, Adomis, Devers, all will hit 20 home runs next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That Ramos was seen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ramos had 21 Chapman had 21, but Chapman also missed a lot of games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: staying healthy playing 145 50 games each there's a good shot that they get four guys who can hit over 20 yeah and then you got this young kid with

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Bryce Eldridge, who could come in and pop some, and so now from a power perspective from a home runs perspective next year's lineup looks a lot better than it did going into this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll see what they do with Ramos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't imagine that they will give up on him because he's a young player and he's controlled their under their control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if there is a spot that you could, if you could find an all-star type player to fit in left field, it is worth the conversation of possibly moving on from him, but you know, that that is but just going into next season from a home run perspective, I think they're going to hit their fair share unless you know, something happens and people get hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and we're almost one from being in all star last year, and a 2.3 war down to a 1.2 war this year, but he did play in 30 more games play in 157 games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, 158 lead off for most of the games too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He did, and if you can get an outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know hitting 250 six with 20 home runs and then he can improve on that and maybe be a 272 75 hitter and pop you know nine more home runs and and you've got enough and you're not going to replace that that's hard to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know I said

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look, I know I said like a couple of weeks ago, maybe a month or so ago, he could be shopped in the off season, that that's also still a possibility because they have so many outfielders if they want to get a starting pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like maybe a number three and number four that that does have some control going forward with a team who has a lot of pitching, you know, that's a possibility, I'm not going to leave that out of the realm of possibility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, we'll see what happens with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to see him continue on and improve and improve and improve.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, what's your who's your unsung picture of the year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my unsung, I was leaning towards all weekend long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, I think it's going to be for lander.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I kept thinking, I thought that first half hurt so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I could give them unsung based on just a second half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he meant a lot to the team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think there was one guy starting

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[SPEAKER_01]: who met more to the team in terms of unsung hero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also he's gonna be around for a while and that's Landon Rube.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to be interesting one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had to give it to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had 22 starts on the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a guy who we were, you know, is he gonna make the starting rotation coming out of spring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He fought his butt off in spring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One that job,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got injured late in the season, but he did have 22 starts, 106 innings, which is just one inning off of the most he's ever had in the pros.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was 2022 in the minors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had 117 innings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In an 8.61 K per 9, a 0.9 3 home runs per 9, a 3.0 80 ERA 3.91 fifth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we know who he is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: he's just got to get his walks down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was around 3.8 walks per night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that absolutely has to come down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can probably get to around 150 innings next year, be a good number four or five starter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably get you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 27 to 30 starts possibly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So five, six more starts than he had this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the fact that he came out of the gates on fire and really helped this team, you know, off to the great start that they had,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had to give it to him, I looked at the relievers, you know, if Tyler Rogers was still here, he probably would have won it, I probably would have given it to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was excited to see what he could do in the playoffs with the meds, but the meds folded like a house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, eighth inning Randy was an all star.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was, I was contemplating, but the problem with him is that he just, when he was given

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I know we had the arm injury, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's another reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: According to him, he's had the arm injury for a couple of years now as pitching through it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the fact that he had the arm injury and just wasn't himself, I know he gave us a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I can give him the purple heart award for going out there and giving us what he had with a herd arm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Landon Rupert, he did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought was pretty amazing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was, you know, a person I think he was our best young pitcher on the staff.

53:33.342 --> 53:38.587
[SPEAKER_01]: And minus the injury, I think he could have really closed out the season on a high note.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he's so he's the lesser of the three prospects with Harrison and Bird Song and he's the one that outlasts all of them Harrison gets traded and we'll see if Bird Song ever finds his command again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's the one who's left standing and so he's the one that you kind of pencil in next year like okay like he's going to probably be in the rotation as long as he's healthy and he got through his first real season in the bigs and you'd like to see okay how do you build upon that you know what what what is he going to look like next year so yeah that was that was really good to see so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My un-sung, and this is that there's not really anybody on the giant's list of like, here are guys who, you know, maybe played a vital role coming off of the bench, like Casey Schmidt hit 12 home runs coming off of the bench.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, he, he also only hit

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[SPEAKER_00]: played as about as as good of a did as good of an impersonation of the type of players who really helped the giants win playoff games in the past coming in when they need him like if you, you know, might not want to know the mic fontanose of the right in terios of the world, you got to have those guys like, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um...

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[SPEAKER_00]: fly off the page, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there are much better than you would have imagined, just watching, you know, watching the games, you know, day in and day out.

55:31.565 --> 55:49.655
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately, some of the guys that, you know, they may have been counting on like, a motto's, you know, Drew Gilbert did not play very much, but you know, I think we were all in love with Drew Gilbert and then he was like, hey guys, I'm gonna hit 190 for the rest of this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and Karnasio and just, you know, kept getting hurt, who knows what his future is like, Brett wisely, they let him, uh, they waved him and he now, he's on another team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you kind of have to go back to the starters and go, you know what, this player probably had a better season than we're going to remember that he had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm going to go with Matt Chapman

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this is not a perfect one because everyone's going to go, oh my gosh, you know, this dude hit 231.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's much easier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's a softer and and one that's a little bit more agreeable to say, well, what about Dom Smith?

56:33.335 --> 56:36.716
[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, yes, Dom Smith, you know, really did play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Really did play some good baseball for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he also only had 200 at bats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he came and laid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It came and laid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he kind of did a pretty good Lamont Wade impersonation.

56:52.091 --> 56:55.795
[SPEAKER_00]: He was actually a better version of Lamont Wade.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm going to lean Chapman in it's it's most because of two things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a stat before he came back from injury and I know that that stat isn't as good as it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the giant's record when he was on the lineup was pretty incredible based on when he wasn't in the lineup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that tells you how much of an effect he has on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the second thing is even though he only he only played in 128 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He still hit 21 home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's only hit

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a baseball reference statistic, their version of war hit the highest war on the team for everybody, you know, I know pitcher and in batter war are not equal, but hit the highest war on the team in in that time frame in in 128 games.

57:53.253 --> 57:59.258
[SPEAKER_00]: That is somewhat his defense which he showcased all the way through until the end of the season.

58:00.310 --> 58:13.548
[SPEAKER_00]: And he led the team in OPS like that is something because while he did strike out a fair amount he also walks a fair amount as well so I think there are things that maybe if you watched him every day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You go, okay, he's a good baseball player, but maybe he didn't have as good of a season.

58:21.483 --> 58:27.106
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think some of those numbers say he may have had a slightly better season than we even realize.

58:27.646 --> 58:30.808
[SPEAKER_00]: But you're always going to look at that 231 batting average.

58:31.268 --> 58:34.789
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that says enough to why he wasn't there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're offensive MVP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think

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[SPEAKER_00]: the stats back up and has just him being on the ball field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He helps that baseball team so much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's going to be my unsung guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was when I was thinking about it earlier today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was thinking, you know, a good pick is also Wilmer Flores.

58:55.475 --> 59:05.318
[SPEAKER_01]: I know, I mean, you know, a lot a little bit, but hey, he was, he was the catalyst at the beginning of the season, kind of, you know, kept us in everything, but Wilmer Flores.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You I don't think people will would guess this if I said who was second on the team in RBI?

59:14.317 --> 59:17.919
[SPEAKER_00]: You'd probably go through about six or seven guys or you have a horse.

59:17.979 --> 59:27.365
[SPEAKER_00]: And he had 71 RBI in almost, you know, a little bit less played appearances than Chapman did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A closer to similar amount of that bats.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he had 71 RBI 16 home runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He started off great.

59:35.210 --> 59:42.954
[SPEAKER_00]: He just, you know, as happened sometimes because he's got all these ailments, you know, he did fall off at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he still had some big hits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there were hits, you know, later in the season, always gave us pro at bats, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the thing about Wilmer than I'm going to by the way, I would say I would love to see Dom Smith back, but I do want to give E hit himself into another opportunity somewhere else to play more.

01:00:01.425 --> 01:00:05.206
[SPEAKER_01]: He most likely did, it's probably a platoon roll somewhere.

01:00:05.747 --> 01:00:13.809
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the Giants, I don't know, it still is up in the air of Bryce Aldrich is going to be out of the gate out of spring training.

01:00:14.430 --> 01:00:18.371
[SPEAKER_01]: The Giants first, based me to start the season, will he need to platoon?

01:00:18.671 --> 01:00:22.933
[SPEAKER_01]: Will he need to start in triple A and spend some time there?

01:00:23.073 --> 01:00:24.173
[SPEAKER_01]: First, it's hard to say.

01:00:24.994 --> 01:00:27.775
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I would love to see Dom Smith back, it just seems like such a leader.

01:00:29.954 --> 01:00:37.742
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Bleacher Report is reporting now that Bruce Boachy has been fired, which is impossible because he had a three-year contract.

01:00:39.297 --> 01:00:40.718
[SPEAKER_01]: for your contract ended.

01:00:40.858 --> 01:00:44.819
[SPEAKER_01]: So I looked it up and the reports are that they are mutually splitting.

01:00:45.299 --> 01:00:47.160
[SPEAKER_01]: They're not basically not asking him back.

01:00:47.420 --> 01:00:49.921
[SPEAKER_01]: And he was, yeah, they have their plan.

01:00:49.981 --> 01:00:52.662
[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like for who is exactly going to be.

01:00:52.803 --> 01:00:55.524
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and they offered him a front office role.

01:00:56.004 --> 01:00:58.425
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder, I wonder, well, yeah, I wonder what that means.

01:00:58.505 --> 01:01:03.767
[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder, I wonder if Buster would be interested in bringing him on as some sort of special advisor or something.

01:01:03.887 --> 01:01:05.448
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that would be interesting too.

01:01:05.468 --> 01:01:10.610
[SPEAKER_01]: I think having Bochi as an advisor would be a fantastic idea.

01:01:10.710 --> 01:01:16.952
[SPEAKER_01]: So if Buster wants to offer him that for, you know, 10 bucks more a year, I bet he takes it.

01:01:16.972 --> 01:01:18.933
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:01:18.953 --> 01:01:22.334
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to quickly go through our wild card round predictions.

01:01:22.394 --> 01:01:27.376
[SPEAKER_00]: Then we'll give our overall, like, just who do we think is going to win the whole thing?

01:01:28.696 --> 01:01:40.706
[SPEAKER_00]: So the wildcard round starts tomorrow, and it's kind of nuts because they have games, at least where we are Pacific time, games at 10, 12, 3 and 6.

01:01:41.366 --> 01:01:45.990
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can literally sit on your couch all day watching baseball if you want.

01:01:46.050 --> 01:01:46.830
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a Tuesday.

01:01:46.870 --> 01:01:47.551
[SPEAKER_01]: We have to work.

01:01:47.611 --> 01:01:48.251
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you talking about?

01:01:48.312 --> 01:01:49.973
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I'm just going to have it out of the background.

01:01:52.020 --> 01:01:58.724
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, game one, Detroit and Cleveland, you got Scooble and Gavin Williams.

01:01:59.705 --> 01:02:08.492
[SPEAKER_00]: Even though the Guardians edged out the Tigers in the division, I think the three game series might hurt Cleveland a little bit there.

01:02:08.512 --> 01:02:19.219
[SPEAKER_00]: And now this is all based on, if you get the true Scooble, who, you know, 2.21ERA just fantastic, but also,

01:02:20.140 --> 01:02:23.902
[SPEAKER_00]: was on, you know, was there when they just went on their torrential downfall.

01:02:25.242 --> 01:02:30.624
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to, I leaned tigers in my series pick the guardians, obviously.

01:02:30.644 --> 01:02:33.826
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they, you know, they want a world series since 1948.

01:02:34.006 --> 01:02:40.809
[SPEAKER_00]: There are people who love seeing that team on the field and root for them to get as far as possible.

01:02:40.829 --> 01:02:47.352
[SPEAKER_00]: But I still think the tigers, I still think the tigers have the edge in the three gamer.

01:02:47.392 --> 01:02:48.272
[SPEAKER_00]: Who did you pick in this one?

01:02:49.157 --> 01:02:52.321
[SPEAKER_01]: I actually went with the guardians in this one.

01:02:52.881 --> 01:02:54.603
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the guardians have the momentum.

01:02:55.684 --> 01:02:59.789
[SPEAKER_01]: They just 20 and 5, 20 and 5 set September 3rd.

01:03:00.189 --> 01:03:06.175
[SPEAKER_01]: And they just beat them two out of three, which helped them on their way to winning the division.

01:03:06.356 --> 01:03:09.579
[SPEAKER_01]: So I definitely have to go with the guardians on that.

01:03:10.581 --> 01:03:18.425
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, the five seed San Diego Padres against the four seed Chicago Cubs, both teams struggled late in the season.

01:03:18.485 --> 01:03:20.386
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Poveta against Boyd.

01:03:20.406 --> 01:03:23.608
[SPEAKER_00]: I took, I,

01:03:24.782 --> 01:03:42.890
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I leaned podries because I, you know, I have this thing where I want the nationally quest teams to, to show out because then it just means that, you know, the Giants division was a hard division, and I think it was, but I don't, I don't have any real confidence to the podries.

01:03:42.950 --> 01:03:46.572
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you want to lean podries, they've well, no confidence in either of those teams.

01:03:46.612 --> 01:03:50.914
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you go, okay, in a, in a three game series, how important is the bullpen?

01:03:51.974 --> 01:03:56.097
[SPEAKER_00]: the podgers have a really good bullpen if that matters in this case.

01:03:56.117 --> 01:03:56.477
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:03:56.537 --> 01:04:05.022
[SPEAKER_00]: I so, you know, it's an interesting, uh, it's an interesting series, but not one in which both teams are kind of on fire coming into the playoffs.

01:04:05.542 --> 01:04:07.764
[SPEAKER_01]: I had a tough time picking the podries.

01:04:07.824 --> 01:04:08.864
[SPEAKER_01]: I did pick the podries.

01:04:08.884 --> 01:04:12.967
[SPEAKER_01]: The only reason I have tough time is because that wild card round is so difficult.

01:04:13.007 --> 01:04:13.467
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to

01:04:22.474 --> 01:04:25.618
[SPEAKER_01]: stadium and and but I did go with the podries.

01:04:25.658 --> 01:04:26.939
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they edge them.

01:04:27.099 --> 01:04:36.711
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they can get the key hits as well as like you said I think the bullpen is kind of a little bit sturdier starting pitching.

01:04:36.731 --> 01:04:39.074
[SPEAKER_01]: I think can prevail for the podries.

01:04:39.114 --> 01:04:40.316
[SPEAKER_01]: So I want the podries in that one.

01:04:41.740 --> 01:04:47.985
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so then we have Boston and New York, which is where a lot of eyeballs are going to be.

01:04:48.105 --> 01:04:48.806
[SPEAKER_00]: I am sure.

01:04:48.826 --> 01:04:56.052
[SPEAKER_00]: And it is one team just hits the frickin' hell out of the ball and puts it over the fence.

01:04:56.152 --> 01:04:59.075
[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees had 272 home runs this year.

01:04:59.835 --> 01:05:04.359
[SPEAKER_00]: They also will have the best player in the entire series in Aaron Judge.

01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:06.861
[SPEAKER_00]: But Boston is

01:05:07.542 --> 01:05:13.837
[SPEAKER_00]: probably a little bit more consistent, a little bit more of the quintessential, you know, 90 wind club.

01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:15.541
[SPEAKER_00]: The Yankees.

01:05:18.215 --> 01:05:24.137
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually cannot tell if the Yankees are a disappointment.

01:05:24.237 --> 01:05:33.300
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't imagine you're a disappointment, but after getting to the world series last year, I'm sure they had bigger eyes on what they expected this season to be.

01:05:33.380 --> 01:05:40.503
[SPEAKER_00]: And the blue jays came out of, not out of nowhere, but I think it was a surprise that the blue jays won the division.

01:05:41.343 --> 01:05:43.024
[SPEAKER_00]: I took the Yankees, but I,

01:05:44.004 --> 01:06:08.696
[SPEAKER_01]: these teams know each other so well how does this not go like right into the end of yeah exactly I went with Yankees to just because it's in New York you know New York crowds or almost always give the advantage in a situation like that a short series Yankees at home it was going to be tough this year without Juan Soto last year they were you know a Juan Soto

01:06:13.678 --> 01:06:22.801
[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't do enough really offensively to add to that, but I think jazz probably has a big series and I think the Yankees win this one.

01:06:25.082 --> 01:06:33.025
[SPEAKER_00]: And then it is Cincinnati at the Dodgers, like it is set up.

01:06:33.978 --> 01:06:34.659
[SPEAKER_00]: for the Dodgers.

01:06:34.699 --> 01:06:38.101
[SPEAKER_00]: This is like a, this is like a layup for the Dodgers to get hot right now.

01:06:38.501 --> 01:06:44.066
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, though, they do have to face Hunter Green and Game 1 and that's the one loss I could see them getting.

01:06:44.626 --> 01:06:46.748
[SPEAKER_01]: The one loss, but I think they win that series.

01:06:47.698 --> 01:06:50.300
[SPEAKER_00]: I do think the Dodgers win the series as well.

01:06:51.341 --> 01:06:55.264
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll discuss these these series as they go on.

01:06:55.344 --> 01:06:57.786
[SPEAKER_00]: But what did you think?

01:06:57.826 --> 01:07:01.009
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually going to send a link into our chat.

01:07:01.049 --> 01:07:04.151
[SPEAKER_00]: If I remember, I'll also put it in the podcast feed.

01:07:04.191 --> 01:07:11.377
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think, unfortunately, you kind of have to do all of the voting like now because you can't be

01:07:17.222 --> 01:07:19.084
[SPEAKER_00]: in this little fantasy baseball pickups thing.

01:07:19.885 --> 01:07:26.792
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just was like, who, like, what team feels like a championship team?

01:07:26.852 --> 01:07:38.644
[SPEAKER_00]: And you and I have been talking about this pretty much, you know, for the last few weeks, which is it would be so much fun for us if the brewers were able to go out and win it all.

01:07:40.281 --> 01:07:59.652
[SPEAKER_00]: But you just don't believe it yet like you don't feel they don't feel like championship material yet now some of it is probably just because that they haven't done it at least this group and the feel the fillies feel a little bit more like that because they've been successful in the past.

01:08:01.063 --> 01:08:26.525
[SPEAKER_00]: I would go I see I would think Philly would be such a favorite to win the whole thing had Zach Wheeler knock on down right Zach Wheeler goes down it kind of even things up a little bit, but I still feel like the Philly's feel more like a world series kind of team than anybody else in the National League and then on the American League, it was a toss up to me like I was like,

01:08:28.043 --> 01:08:34.868
[SPEAKER_00]: every team is flawed like there's no team where you're like, you know what, in this series against this team, they're definitely going to win.

01:08:34.968 --> 01:08:37.090
[SPEAKER_00]: It just felt like so up and down.

01:08:37.190 --> 01:08:39.011
[SPEAKER_00]: I just picked the Yankees to pick the Yankees.

01:08:39.492 --> 01:08:43.375
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have Philly's and Yankees in the world series with the Philly's eventually winning it.

01:08:43.415 --> 01:08:47.878
[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think there's a dominant team unless the Dodgers catch fire.

01:08:48.178 --> 01:08:53.002
[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's the same Dodgers that we've been watching this year, it feels like they're

01:08:57.560 --> 01:08:59.561
[SPEAKER_01]: I rolled it back to 1993.

01:08:59.621 --> 01:09:01.941
[SPEAKER_01]: I've got blue jays and fillies in the world series.

01:09:02.001 --> 01:09:05.322
[SPEAKER_01]: And I've got the blue jays winning it again over the fillies.

01:09:06.162 --> 01:09:11.344
[SPEAKER_01]: I just think the fillies are, I'm sorry, the blue jays have a little something special this year.

01:09:11.364 --> 01:09:17.785
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what it is, but it seems like and I'm gonna call it the skydome, because that's what it is to me.

01:09:18.485 --> 01:09:24.447
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like when they play at the skydome, the crowd there is just nuts, the Rogers Center, whatever you wanna call it.

01:09:25.207 --> 01:09:46.696
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think the team, the crowd there is nuts, it's good if you get the fillings and the blueges and the world's series, you're going to get two home crowds that are hungry to see a world championship and it's going to be a fun series, but I still think the blueges have a little something extra offensively and I think they can take down the fillings pitching,

01:09:48.357 --> 01:09:49.398
[SPEAKER_01]: And that would be a close here.

01:09:49.438 --> 01:09:52.020
[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably a six game series of four to win.

01:09:53.281 --> 01:09:56.423
[SPEAKER_01]: Could go seven, but yeah, I like the Blue Tases here.

01:09:57.704 --> 01:09:58.805
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, there you go.

01:09:59.226 --> 01:10:04.870
[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll we'll we'll check it out as the season or as the playoffs go.

01:10:04.890 --> 01:10:13.097
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm actually more interested in watching more this season than I've been like a lot of times after these crappy giant seasons.

01:10:13.137 --> 01:10:14.398
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like done with baseball.

01:10:14.898 --> 01:10:15.058
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:10:15.419 --> 01:10:20.123
[SPEAKER_00]: And also, it's like when the Dodgers keep going far, I don't want to see them on my television.

01:10:20.203 --> 01:10:23.185
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, let's get these guys out of there.

01:10:23.205 --> 01:10:24.787
[SPEAKER_00]: So I could actually watch some of the stuff.

01:10:24.867 --> 01:10:28.990
[SPEAKER_00]: But I wanted to make two notes that I don't know if these are official.

01:10:29.030 --> 01:10:33.534
[SPEAKER_00]: I think these are just these guys talk to Susan Slusser.

01:10:33.975 --> 01:10:37.117
[SPEAKER_00]: But it does sound like Ryan Krishinson and Matt Williams are also

01:10:38.278 --> 01:10:53.246
[SPEAKER_00]: not back with the giants right Melvin guys that makes a ton of sense So we didn't mention that but it was just because I hadn't really seen any conclusiveness about that But I'm assuming that you know if Susan tweeted it she's probably

01:10:53.906 --> 01:10:57.348
[SPEAKER_00]: She's probably a pretty a hundred percent with that special if she's talking to those guys.

01:10:57.368 --> 01:11:07.474
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was something You know Matt Williams has managed your real experience, but it does it didn't seem like he had the best two years

01:11:10.376 --> 01:11:13.077
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it seemed like decision-making was off just to touch.

01:11:13.197 --> 01:11:14.738
[SPEAKER_01]: It was a little bit rough to watch.

01:11:15.178 --> 01:11:21.021
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the sends that he had, I was like, eee, we can't, you know, can't have those situations.

01:11:21.321 --> 01:11:23.101
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you got, you got to have a fresh start.

01:11:23.342 --> 01:11:29.204
[SPEAKER_00]: And then he was mad dog and us when we were on the field last year, watching him hit phone goes to Matt Chapman.

01:11:29.924 --> 01:11:30.285
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:11:30.845 --> 01:11:31.465
[SPEAKER_00]: Come on, Matt.

01:11:31.685 --> 01:11:33.046
[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen your entire career.

01:11:34.806 --> 01:11:36.027
[SPEAKER_01]: We love you, Matt.

01:11:36.147 --> 01:11:38.108
[SPEAKER_01]: Every picture I took, he was mad dog.

01:11:40.318 --> 01:11:40.578
[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

01:11:40.618 --> 01:11:42.239
[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't like the press man.

01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:42.559
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:11:42.839 --> 01:11:43.119
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:43.799
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

01:11:43.859 --> 01:11:48.280
[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for the folks who were in the chat Appreciate you hanging out with us.

01:11:48.380 --> 01:11:58.143
[SPEAKER_00]: I actually love the interactiveness because when you have people who comment on stuff It just makes you think of things that you maybe weren't thinking about so shout out to Rob shout out to Davis

01:11:59.323 --> 01:12:00.865
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, that is it from here.

01:12:01.325 --> 01:12:02.566
[SPEAKER_00]: Brad's going to be off next week.

01:12:03.167 --> 01:12:13.115
[SPEAKER_00]: It's possible that I'm going to have a giant versus Dodgers episode with my buddy, Draven, and as see how comfortable he is with his doctor's team in the past.

01:12:13.155 --> 01:12:13.736
[SPEAKER_00]: I love to know.

01:12:14.076 --> 01:12:16.418
[SPEAKER_00]: We were going to do it this week, I think he's pretty busy.

01:12:16.478 --> 01:12:21.601
[SPEAKER_00]: So we might be able to push it to next week, but also it's going to have to be a day in which the Dodgers don't play.

01:12:21.981 --> 01:12:23.802
[SPEAKER_00]: So that kind of changes the schedule.

01:12:23.982 --> 01:12:36.430
[SPEAKER_00]: If not, we'll do it after the season is over, because I do like the I do like his insight because if we're going to catch these it dudes, we got to know these dudes, you know, as much as you know, all right.

01:12:37.618 --> 01:12:38.400
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

01:12:38.420 --> 01:12:41.166
[SPEAKER_00]: We will catch you in a couple of weeks for Brad.

01:12:41.206 --> 01:12:44.654
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm WGCU and we see you piece out, piece.