Super Bowl LX Recap: 49ers Hire Raheem Morris, Rise of the 49ers Review, Roger Craig HOF | We Want Winners

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're back post Super Bowl 60.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How is it already Super Bowl 60?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rod Nyer here after a kind of a snoozer of a game there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought there was a moment when the Pat scored and you were like, okay, if something breaks here there, if Sam Darnold throws a pick,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We may have a game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It has never happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think soon thereafter Drake threw one into quadruple coverage and got picked off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and it was just the seahawks night tonight, which wasn't great for us as 49er fans, but Rod, is you're watching this game, were you pulling for the paths or did you just not really believe that, you know, that they could overcome the seahawks at any point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: watching them, you know, and I know I understand, and the Seattle falls in this line too, they play a bunch of really good defenses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you wanted to, you could make a case, it's that's why they didn't score any points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then it's like, well, this defense is good too, so they probably not going to score many points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really the only excitement for me, actually,

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then I look up and it's 23 to whatever 13 of my shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My, my under is in jeopardy and then they had to touch it down their late that and thankfully got for me got callback or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it was like, you know, the first half, I'm like, this is great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is going to be, you know, one of those easy bets where you don't even sweat it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And somehow,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, the lines makers being who they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I ended up having to sweat that little 45 points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that was really it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, the Super Bowl MVP was, you know, kind of, and I was trying to figure out how they were going to give Sam Garnell this award after Kenneth Walker was clearly the best player out there, but they did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I mean, MVP, who got the MVP?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, can't walk her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, good, good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we, so I, when I turned off the game, because I was kind of getting ready for this and I had to clean up and stuff because we'll talk about our Super Bowl parties in a little bit, but, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went upstairs and I was like, Oh, yeah, forgot because my stepson, he was like desperately hoping that the kicker was going to get the MVP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like kicker scored more points in the entire Patriots team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you want the kicker to get the MVP.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when Walker looked like he scored, but then I got called back, I was like, as he's running, I'm like, okay, finally we got our MVP, we don't have to mess with this nonsense, and then they pulled it back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was that, unless you could give a collective team defense MVP, because they were that they were far and away, the the most impressive thing on in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Kenneth Walker, I thought, was was second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know what I was thinking as I was watching,

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What we're going to have to play this dude how many times this dude is so good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that that was what I was thinking about their whole team and then they're just so young is yeah, that's this is not good for us at all and the patch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: could not even block them 5 on 4.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just not happening at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like late in the game, Seahawks are, you know, they're sitting their DBs back because the only thing the Pat's could do is is trying to throw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they're rushing for and just obliterating the offensive line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was an impressive defense of performance with the way that football has gone over the years as far as everything leans towards offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of wondered if we were going to see defense just, you know, just really, really

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[SPEAKER_00]: be showcased in this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you know, we had some, there were some nine or teams where you're like, man, this defense is really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there were some air, air and Arnold moments where you're like, this one player can be so dominating on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we didn't have like those ravens teams of the early 2000s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It just didn't seem like they existed anymore, because all you needed to do was kind of throw the ball up in the air, get a pass on her parents, and then you're in field goal range.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of what football kind of geared to and everything's passed on her parents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, but the Seahawks proved me wrong, because they dominated the paths.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not, I did not have fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: watching Drake May or as a cousin Sal has called him all year long Drake maybe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just like, you know, that's so my wife and I crystal are watching the game and and I go back right there and I pointed to Kenneth Walker and I said, if he has a really good game, the Patriots are toast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What they need to hope is that they can

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[SPEAKER_00]: that they can make him a non-factor and force him, don't know what to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on the other side, Drake May has got to be able to get rid of the football on time, because if he can't get rid of the football on time, he's going to get sacked, he's going to get hurried, he's going to throw in balls at a bounce, this poor dude, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what it reminded me of?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because we'll talk about the rise of the 49ers documentary that we both watched.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It reminded me of Dan Marino in the 85 Super Bowl, where at certain points in that game, he saw ghosts that weren't even there, and he was getting, he was running himself out of pockets and taking sacks that didn't even exist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what Drake may remind me of today was like that Marino game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would say Marino was even better against a better 49ers team than what the Seahawk team was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a pretty comparable,

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[SPEAKER_00]: performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I wonder, you know, not as many people who are covering football these days are as old as us to have been able to watch that, but Yeah, Drake may remind me of Dan Marina like he had no clue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like blitz is where right in his face and he still could not avoid them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they were just like, hey, Drake.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we're bringing in this guy who are showing you that we're bringing this guy and he's coming like, not even coming from your blind tight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's coming from your strong side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're showing you so you better get ready to get rid of this ball and Drake was like, nope, I'm going to hold on to this thing as long as humanly, uh, sack and humble pick, you know, it was just bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it was the most impressive thing to me was, and I've watched Seattle all season, but this game was the benchmark for the fact that their GBs were out there running the routes, in some cases better than a wide receiver's were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like they were

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[SPEAKER_01]: playing really aggressive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My brother was saying, man, this is really impressive, but it's the kind of thing where you better be right because the way that they're jumping these routes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they are wrong,

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[SPEAKER_01]: is going to die out, but in every case they were just right there running the route, you know, the way you would expect to receive or to run it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, it was really, they were really, really impressive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's a, that's a great thought as you're watching the game, because this is the exact thing that we said when the Niners lost the last silver

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[SPEAKER_00]: But because they could not throw the ball down field and because Brock just didn't have any time because you remember the fourth quarter of the overtime, it was like one Mississippi and then there was a defender like ready in Brock's face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were both saying after that game, it was like the chiefs, they only had to really worry about the 10 yards in front of them and they could

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they didn't have to worry about anything behind them because they knew that Brock was not going to have a ton of time to throw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also that there's, you know, outside of BA, there wasn't really anybody who was going to scoot down field and get behind them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's kind of what this game was, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Patriots went all season long, not really having a definitive definitive number one wide receiver who scared other teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, it was just kind of like this mix of, of players that they had and, you know, they had this dual running back system, which I thought worked against them in this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought worked for Seattle because even those Zack Sharbernais is out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who would want to take Kenneth Walker off the field like like that kind of tells me that you know He should probably play 80% of the downs next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's that good and if you are playing Zach I mean well he'll he's gonna be out for most of the year because of his ACL But you were kind of it was like the benefit of the doubt to the defense and he's good too, but he's just he's not Kenneth Walker so

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[SPEAKER_00]: it was it was it was pretty scary and you know, one of the exercises that we do and the reason why we cover the playoffs and we cover the Super Bowl so hard is because you kind of want to see what does my team need to do to match up against these really, really good teams?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Niners, healthy Niners could beat this patch team right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a good schedule Denver if if bonus is is not hurt Denver probably, you know, is is playing in the Super Bowl game and said they weren't playing in a blizzard, yeah, you know, it was it was like the

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[SPEAKER_01]: It conspired everything conspired for them to win that game two weeks ago, but yeah, and I think that if you were to, you know, get very well on some truth serum, he would tell you that they are ahead of schedule.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, if they, if they, that obviously the goal is to get to the Super Bowl, but I

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[SPEAKER_01]: don't think that that was, you know, it was not super bowl we're bus for them this year, obviously.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because they are still, um, they are another, they're one of those teams where I know 49er fans hate this because they want the worse for BA, which I don't quite understand, but you can add them to the list.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They will be BA candidates just like the Patriots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just like the the bills in that division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to, he's going to get a phone call from you because that position, it's, it's an in-demand position and there are so many teams that need a guy like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's, it was very clear today that like you said, you said it perfectly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: there was they didn't they don't have a receiver that was going to challenge them deep at all and with as aggressive as they play in the secondary the only it was it came to pass the only way the only way they're going to get be as if to recool and broke blows a coverage and that was the only place that they got is when he lined up wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Matt Collins got on him, but other because otherwise, they just didn't have anybody who could threaten them deep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They should have threw Christian Gonzalez out there to run some past places.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, and definitely, yeah, he is, he is an impressive, impressive player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've been watching him for a long because for those last, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bellachick teams when they didn't have any talent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like the best player on the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Him and Matthew Judon were their two best players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Bill Bellachick was still drawn stuff up when they didn't have any offensive talent at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And only two players on defense and he was still out there winning games 13 to 10 and then in his last year Christian got Christian Gazzales got hurt and that was it for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is like he is developing to a a very very good player So comparing What we saw from the seahawks and then you know trying to think about next year now the reason why

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[SPEAKER_00]: getting back to the Super Bowl is harder, even let alone winning is because you just played an extra, you know, three games and they are three hard games are quite closer to like four games because of how hard these games are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows about Seattle and as far as injuries and all the things the Niners had to deal with in 2024.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We sat through all that stuff and to some extent,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the Seattle team that you saw today or tonight, what do you think the Niners have to do to compete, to get to that level?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, you can say your piece, I'll say one thing, the thing that scared me the most was their pass rush.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was just like, I was envisioning as Drake May

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, with playing against these guys, I was saying, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what Drake did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What would Brock have done in this moment?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Brock would have took some sex, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brock would have had some balls bad at the line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brock would have been flushed out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Brock, we've talked about Brock being a processing quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have got to second and third and fourth receivers much more quickly than Drake did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have picked up the blitzer and where the blitzer was at much more quickly than Drake did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he would have had problems with this defense

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[SPEAKER_00]: the past rush and then also just that go to receiver who is not CMC, who you could just depend on like who is the JSN on the other side for for New England.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't have one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, JSN didn't have a fantastic game and he got dinged up a little bit in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like for the Niners, who is your J.S.N.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't have one either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are two of the things at least offensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, man, Brock would have been on his run a lot in this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, too, who is his safety valve?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not Christian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know George is going to be out for most of next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That that would have been to I think their offense would have probably performed a little bit like the Pat's offense did today with but with a more than likely a better running game because Shanahan would not have given up on the running game like like the pat's did so what what what were some of the things that you saw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is it's it's pretty depressing because it's there's a lot we to to close that gap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's holistically like number one, the thing that stands out to me in the biggest difference between us and them is how much younger they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is they have just so many players who are 25 and younger and so there's just so much room for them to grow and get better and that is where

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[SPEAKER_01]: contributors on our roster that are that young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the ones that we have that are in that area, I mean, I guess you would, if you were to, you know, glass half full it, I think we've got some guys on the defensive interior that are

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[SPEAKER_01]: interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Alfred Collins and CJ West are both interesting players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Sam O is already a solid rotational player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if he's your one of your best lineman, I think you're in trouble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if he is just there in the mix, he's that's a good core and then you have

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[SPEAKER_01]: to grow from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that we don't have a lot of other positions like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you guess you could make that case for linebacker?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fred is Fred.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's already at Lee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fred was not Fred from the panel today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Look at Hans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is, I mean, that's another thing that I'm going to, we're going to circle back to that and say the quiet part out loud.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought D winners and Tatum with whom both took steps forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if that's your core three, then you add you would hope a improved Nick Martin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you loop Gifford is going to be in the mix because he's one of our best special teams players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's your five right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if it holds with the last five years, it lasts three years, according to my research, we left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are, our 53 had five climbbackers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've already got the five there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a good start, interior.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess if we're calling, I just, I thought Mike Hill Williams played best when he was inside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I consider him an inside player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they could still use another edge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When if you,

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[SPEAKER_01]: want to call him an edge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I think that they've got some pieces there in the front seven.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really believe in any of those guys in the back half, especially as safety.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They gave Dimo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on a $18 million basically AAB contract and he's your number one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, he's a good player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a fine player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's in a buff average corner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, trying to cast him as like your shut-down corner is, I think, kind of foolhardy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His defensive, his metrics look a lot better because everybody else around him is fooled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they put

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh my god, I was like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm glad that he's out here, Garden, Devontia, you know, it's just, no, so that's a, that's a, that's a question Mark.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: catching up with Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that we, we need to figure that part out the secondary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then on offense, we're just a mess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that our staff feels a lot better about our office of life than we in the fan base do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They love

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no, I don't see it honestly, but they love him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they love McCivots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what McCivots is not going anywhere because he's on that extension.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would hope they bring back bars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But even all of these moves that I'm talking about is like, it's like patting holes in the Titanic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: None of these things are going to make are going

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[SPEAKER_01]: with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to answer that question, I guess we need to hit on two or three drafts and two or three free agents and hope that they regress because I think that the talent gap between us and the rams in them is just it's significant and we got great coaching jobs this year to

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[SPEAKER_01]: bridge the gap with the talent, but ultimately, I believe this is a game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm not making any kind of, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: statement that is, you know, revolutionary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a talent is what when it's wins in this league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we are just at a deficit, um, a lot of positions, and we're getting old at a lot of positions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, being in the fourth oldest roster and being the fourth, I couldn't believe when doing my research.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that there were three other teams that had more injury, missed injury games and we did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was, I thought that we would lead that by a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the Cardinals were like, we had way more games lost injuries than we did and then Cleveland and there was somebody else, we were fourth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But those two metrics, we were the only ones in the top five at both that the oldest and the most games missed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not a,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a great combination.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want to be old and injured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to take the opportunity to shout out Shelvin who is hanging out with us in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also newcomer, Joe Griffin said he's just tuning in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just subscribe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go Niners, shout out to Joe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for hanging out with us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have a, I have a, I have a zag for you, which is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: see at like not every team, not every great team is going to be star studded at all three levels of the defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Niners are not just having all pro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Linebacker in in Fred, they have an all pro defensive and in Nick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you have the star, you have the star player to build around on the defensive line and in the linebacking core.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The secondary is definitely the weakest of the three levels, but I wonder if you look at Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Sam Donald, congratulations, Sam Donald, former 49ers, we, we were rooting for him a lot more last year than we were this year, but he didn't have a great game either, like it's not like he was lighting it on fire and you're just looking at Sam Donald going like, oh man, we're going to have to admit I was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he played, he did enough to win, but I'm, he did not scare me in that game to where I'm like, oh man, like Kenneth Walker did or like JSN does where we've played against him in the past.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you look at it from that perspective, what are you worried about Seattle doing to us?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is up front and that's kind of where I look at that and go, okay, that's that's the big puzzle piece against them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you fix up that defensive line and who knows, because Nick has now been hurt twice in what the last three or four years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that's a hard one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've had, you know, we have these young defensive linemen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard a stat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a player that on the Tim Calcami and Matt Barrow's podcast, the Niners podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a caller who said, the Niners should look into this player and it's not some player that I had, I thought was really well known and it was a defensive lineman, someone in the interior and they looked at him and they were like, Oh, yeah, he had 43 hurries this year, 43.

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[SPEAKER_00]: past rushes to where, you know, he was actually close to the quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that that was in the end and so they looked at the 49ers top player on the inside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they said this player at 43 hurries or whatever, who had the most on the 49ers from a defensive lineman perspective on the inside.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was Alfred Collins surprisingly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, okay, that's good for the rook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was 14 compared to 43 from the other players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So these young guys who we hope kind of grow up together, there's no saying that they are or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you'd probably if you were to put money on it, you'd say you'd probably they'll be average players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the hope is is that they can take what they learn this year on a really good team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and just grow in that position, they're big dudes, they're athletic dudes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if the Niners invests to me, I hope they invest there, getting another past Russia would help tremendously drafting somebody there, would help tremendously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you just hope that Fred can stay healthy and you hope that

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... the line back in core which had to grow up without Fred you hope that those guys could take that experience and then bring it into next year and be ready to go and then yeah the secondary

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[SPEAKER_00]: as it is right now it is the weakest part of the defense, but I am not actually that worried with Sam Darnall shredding us as I am with Seattle becoming like the Dallas Cowboys of 1993, and then we just can't stop him and Smith save our lives and it's like done deal, like no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was a little bit of a zag to what you were saying, but at the same time, like

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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you about the talent discrepancy and what we have to bet on as an interference is we have to and as Joe said it in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have to hit on these drafts and yeah, you know that's it's sometimes it's just a dice roll or a toss of When when you think about it you can hit great on somebody like Brock Perty and then you can snuff your first round draft pick for how many years in a row

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, and so you maybe you'd rather and I'm not saying we shouldn't have hit on Brock that was that was so helpful, but it'd be nice to at least be above average in some of these other rounds because then you can actually utilize these players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what got the Niners into the last couple of Super Bowls when you can go to the Super Bowl with Jimmy G is because you have talent around that guy and those defenses and we can even go back to those Harball years, those defenses were really the backbone of those teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I'm 100% with you and that's, you know, the Niners are kind of looking up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: at the Rams and the Seahawks in that way because the Rams had to go through the same thing the Niners did, which is chop off a lot of salary and try and get it back in the draft and they were able to do so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the Niners have to do so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's, you know, the good thing about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I actually don't know if this is a good thing or not, because like I said, my giants have to deal with the Dodgers in the same way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if if the

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[SPEAKER_00]: One team that you need to be is the one team that you know best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: then maybe you can make gains that other teams can't just because you have to play them so much in their division, you know their personnel, you know, you know, the schemes that they run, and so that kind of devs tales into what we're going to talk about with Rahim Morris.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But before that, I didn't ask you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I didn't want to ask you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What was the spread like today for the

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[SPEAKER_01]: what did you guys have for food and drink and all that stuff we my brothers barbecue wings are the best so we had that and my sister to made her to make an attempt at making homemade pizzas and they kind of turned out to be like they're like pizza chips more slowly

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pizza they were a little thin and they were a little crispy, but they were good nevertheless.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a fool for Feta.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like a pepperoni fed a type situation that was delicious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was wings and pizza.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that that was and it was it was all great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had this thing and I've been thinking about this, you know, I've, my diet has been really, really clean over the last couple years, but I will have my, my days, right, you, you know, you kind of, your diet's good and then you kind of splurge out on the day and then you kind of get back into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I probably, I can probably count on one hand like how many times I had a slice of piece at last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for this year, I was like, okay, we're going to have pizza.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I had like a small breakfast, small lunch and I was ready to roll.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We ordered the pizza for a we ordered through door dash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we went to one of our local joints and we ordered it at like, I don't know, it's like 10 30 or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the place wasn't even open yet, but we put the order and through door dash.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was telling Crystal, I said, you know, this is like the biggest pizza day of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm kind of worried that something's going to happen to this order.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then she texts me at like, um, it's like 230.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So only an hour for the game is supposed to start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, this is bad, because she said order canceled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So then she quickly found another place and they delivered so we were good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was like, oh, no, it's the most busiest pizza they were not gonna get pizza until like nine o'clock tonight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we were good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I had a couple of bourbon mules that I was saving and savoring for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a good one, but yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially when your team is not in it, you have to make the food and stuff good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At least when the team is in it, I'm less worried about that stuff because I'm kind of interested and worried the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't eat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't eat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of it was in 2023 when we were in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I could not eat at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just, I was, and I learned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that day that if some 49ers are ever in a suitable again, I am not going to be around people because I'm not when they's when the stakes are that high, I am not fun to be around in terms of watching the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am so nervous and just I was just on pins and needles a whole time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then what once we didn't win, it wasn't like I was, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was more disappointed than angry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it was it was just not a I was not I'm not fun to what it was it's completely different when I don't have a dog and the fight you know I have my little part that's and everything but it was fun you know I could we could talk chat and conversion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it but when the Niners are in it is it just it is a completely different vibe for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I mean, we can go back like I thought our podcast after the Niners that that game I thought it was pretty rational like it wasn't very emotional any by the way folks in the chat if you guys had had had had some fun spreads or something did something fun let let let me know and

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[SPEAKER_00]: and that will, I'll throw it up on the screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's talk about Raheem Morris.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you think that that was gonna be the call?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, a lot of people were talking gym shorts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know the Niners don't have the greatest history with gym shorts, but Raheem is the guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a Kyle buddy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They know each other very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From a scheme fit, what do you think about Raheem?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he runs the same scheme.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, what is exciting to me is, is if he will give or him the same sort of leeway that he had afford its dollar in that, what we saw this year with the Falcons is that they did not have a whole lot of talent on the defensive side of the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were really

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[SPEAKER_01]: a cap and talent heavy on the offensive side of the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Jeff Ulbrick and Raheem by extension since he is a defensive guy were tasked with making it happen with you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, minute fluid and such.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what they did is they had the highest blitz rate in belief, like by far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were a very effective defense, pressuring teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, that is something that I, I, I hoped he was, I thought they was just going to promote, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bradley, I hadn't really connected the dot as happened afterwards that, no, it's all really had his eye on Bradley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, I hadn't connected those out because I had just assumed that Kyle had brought Bradley in, you know, in the eventuality that saw it was going to leave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you think that Niners had connected those dots before they brought solid in,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, because I did not know at the time that Bradley is sort of a mentor and um, is solos O. G. I did not know that when they, I didn't know that they were as close as they were when with kind of makes sense that if you're going to have somebody technically over Robert Sala, it would be somebody who was

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[SPEAKER_01]: very close to him and it wouldn't be, you know, it's like one of those things if you're a mentor is kind of your boss, but not, and not that that was the relationship, but if he's installed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As the assistant head coach technically on the org chart over you, that's not something you're going to really be tripping on because that's your guy, you know, so that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it never occurred to me that they were so close that if solid took a job that he would want to take Bradley with him, that part had never occurred to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so when Rahine got fired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that would be a great hire, but I didn't know what that would mean for Bradley and what the arrangements were along those lines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was happy with the hire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, for a lot of reasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, first and foremost, if he was still under contract, I didn't think that the swarves thing was a real thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm not saying it every time there are connections when a hire is made, but man in an NFL, this is a relationship business and you most coaching and management hires, if you go back, I would say 90% of them if you go even looking in this cycle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 9% of them, you can trace back with this guy work with this guy, at this place, at this time, this is a real incestuous business.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, if you're going to look and try to handicap, that's what you have to start.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to start with relationships.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the

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[SPEAKER_01]: being in handcuffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so clearly, there's a relationship there between those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll mention the story, so just in case people haven't heard it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, gosh, I ain't got arrested.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really even know the whole story, but that is this classic picture at the combine with gosh, I ain't, and

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[SPEAKER_01]: in Morris and Cuffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, and I don't really know the whole story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So why are there days when they were younger?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it was that that is all that always comes to mind and then

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[SPEAKER_01]: McVay DC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, that whole all of those guys are so inner woven and connected the floor and McVay and Shannon and their prodigies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all a real insistuous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, we've got another

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's this entire division man just a bunch of teams that you just know you're going to know really well

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm gonna do like basically the same thing and yeah, it's it's you know, it's going to really come down to the town like I was talking to somebody about that La Flora higher in You know, I know people feel about Kyler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a lot higher on Kyler than a lot of people are and I just think

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tyler and Harrison and McBride in a Shanna hands-out offense is, it's kind of scary to me, honestly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's going to be our division is not getting any easier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, what do you think of Kubiak going to the Raiders?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's hard to turn those kind of opportunities down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have thought that maybe he, because I mean, it's kind of a shit show down there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, good, good, good, good, good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I run that team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, we were, I was talking to somebody about that as a relationship to follow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's very rare that I think these guys look at a situation and they don't believe that they can be the force multiplier in that situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, I know that it's been a shit show, but I believe that I could be the guy who can go down there and change it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: interesting to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's family.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Shannon has been like not the easiest guy to, you know, he, he's not going to let, well, in this scenario, we don't know, but he was not going to let Clay leave.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in a parallel role, even if he got more responsibility, he's like, no, I don't have to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I only have to do it if he's going to get an enhanced role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, so somebody would have to hire him as the assistant hit code break of offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be the only way that they can't block it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's going to be, you know, the part of it is it, it's it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: client call the place for the seahawks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that would be a sticking point for me as clay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: On the one hand, you can just stay here and if we are good, you'll probably end up getting your shot at some point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the same time, outside of the, outside of the preseason, you're never going to call place here that that's just it's there's never going to be another offensive play caller here other than Kyle I mean, I just let us let's say a wide receiver past it during Jennings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the only time, but yeah, it has to be frustrating and I would imagine it all, or maybe I'm wrong, but I would think that if you're an office coordinator, part of that gig is calling a place and the opportunity to call a place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even if you love it here,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just as from a career development standpoint, if somebody's going to offer you the opportunity to call plays, I think that you take it even if it's with the Raiders, but I don't know that that would be the case with his brother either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's it's an interesting higher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that, you know, especially, you know, with the season that they had, I would have thought that he could.

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[SPEAKER_01]: get a better job or that he might even wait for a better opportunity, but I don't know what Tom Brady is down there selling them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, might have been a Brady schmoozing for all we know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because I know that Mark Davis doesn't get it done for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just he wreaks a loser to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, and we're going to talk about this when to get to this because I can't wait to get this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We could do a whole episode on this series, but that is one of the big take away from me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I came away really like in Tom Brady, because you know, you hear some people say that they're 40 honor fans, but you could tell, Tom Brady was really, yeah, it's not 40 night or fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so you know, and I respect that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, I mean, let's let's talk about it right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can spend the last 15, 20 minutes here talking about both the rise of the 49ers and someone who was not even on the documentary for some reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Roger Craig getting into the Hall of Fame was really, really awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But by the way, like, can you imagine Mark Davis doing any schmoozing whatsoever?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got a great barber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could hook you up and you're like, no, I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good Mr. Davis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, so back to your point, because that's that's that's the thing that I thought to was Tom Brady was so likable in that documentary.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're talking about the rise of the 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's on AMC right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't actually have AMC in my cable or my Hulu live, but what I did is I went to the AMC plus channel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just got a free week and I can't sold right right after I was done so I'd have to pay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is actually pretty slick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They just don't have a lot of stuff that I mentioned in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so it's a four episode series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: takes you all the way from when Bill Walsh becomes the head coach.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it goes back to Eddie, Eddie, and Eddie making some bad hires in his early days before he finally gets to Walsh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it follows all of the Walsh years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when Walsh steps away, it's kind of, it's kind of when it's over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a, there's a, they spend some of the last episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on the seafood superbowl, the first seafood superbowl and then the last superbowl that they that they finally won.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a little bit about that, but it's really about the first three superbowls in the wall shears.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that, you know, we read that book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had, we both read the

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, when I was rereading that book on both of those guys, I was the thing that I came away with was Bill Walsh was so cutthroat compared to his calm demeanor as it was kind of portrayed or as I saw it as I was a kid.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he was really cutthroat, you know, get, you know, bella check.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People's talk about Bellachet getting rid of players the year early before rather than a year late and like that was a Walsh thing back in like the mid-80s they were they were saying that every year Walsh would have a one-on-one like an exit interview with every single player and basically tell them what he thought about them and in some cases he was telling people

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you should retire.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you've just helped this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's blood sweat and tears, brotherhood, everything getting through all these hoops, and then Bill's like, I got to tell you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this game is going to get past you a little bit here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you may want to think about other options.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like man, that's a tough thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think even Joe said it best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I really have a friendship with him because it's actually a disadvantage for him to get close to us because he also has to make decisions about us as players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was fascinating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, what did you think about the kind of those early,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Walsh genius years like that stuff is like, man, I mean, I'm just a little kid at that point, but that stuff is so memorable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For somebody who was in the weeds, like I was with those teams, you could have easily done for more episodes because there were so like you talked, you referenced the book with Joe and Steve and I can see even in the conversations that I have on social media that so many people

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[SPEAKER_01]: truly have an understanding of what that dynamic was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I hear people painting Steve as this team guy and just go along and he paint himself as a guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll do anything to, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to be in the, if I'm going to be the backup, I'll be the best backup I can be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's horse-pucky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That dude was campaigned and there were Steve guys and there were Joe guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was anything but a Kumbaya situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Bill Walsh absolutely was stirring the pot for all of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for anybody to say, well, he did it to get the best out of both of them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That they're trying their retroactively trying to make it all make sense, but that easily could have imploded that whole thing when you're trying to tell me that you're going to replace the guy who is one too superbose and then went on to win two more that it's just crazy that I didn't I was in it and didn't you know we didn't live in a social media era we lived and a newspaper

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[SPEAKER_01]: and talk radio era and just didn't have, you know, and as much as I tried because trust me, I did, I couldn't listen to KSFO and KMBR 24 hours a day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually had to sleep and go to the pool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would go to bed with KMBR on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, wake up as my alarm with KMBR back on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen to us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Frank and Mike in the morning talked to Nelly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And for me, it was so I was kind of a KSFO guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So seeing Ron Barr, Ron Barr was my guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's the guy that I would go to sleep listening to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he worked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His shift was evenings on KSFO.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: my bedtime was like 10 o'clock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was listening to him as I drifted off the sleep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, but even I knew based on the reports from Rattle and Lowell Cone that it was not as

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[SPEAKER_01]: the relationship they did not in my opinion do a very good job of you could have did a whole episode and I guess the fact that Bill Walsh isn't alive kind of made that not as possible as it could have been

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[SPEAKER_01]: but the whole thing between 80D and Bill Walsh and Carmen Policy being the mediator.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Although Carmen mentioned, they bought what had different numbers, but Carmen was like he fired him 12 times and he said he fired him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He talked famously about the time he fired him on the flight back from New Orleans once.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Carmen somehow smoothed it over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that relationship could have been a whole episode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the thing that I was about to say when you were talking about the Joe versus Steve thing is how much of Joe versus Steve was bill being so pressured by Eddie D.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to essentially win a several every year like that's what eddy one is like we have the talent I pay the money we should win this thing every year and so when you can go toe to toe with bill and say you're the smartest guy about this stuff so why aren't we winning and then bill could give you any sort of excuse or reason I'm you know we're a little old here or you know whatever we're worried about Joe and so you bring in Steve like that move

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[SPEAKER_00]: was Bill Walsh going like, okay, if I have to like hang my career on Joe Montana's health, then if he's hurt, I'm done because we have no other option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, that's what bringing Steven was was like, this is a little bit of of insurance for me because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe continually gets hurt and if you go back to that 86 game against the giants, where is it LT who just somebody who Leonard Marshall or somebody just crush his Joe and he just looks like the frailest human being in, you know, in the world at quarterback at that moment,

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[SPEAKER_00]: because he gets hurt in 87 right after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you can burn was the hit in 86, so, you know, then in 87 game one, he makes a throw across his body, hurts his back and then he's out for like half of the year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're bill, you're like, yeah, like that makes sense for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also for me as insurance because if it if Joe isn't the same, then I'm going down with that ship and so that I'm sure that's a lot of what it was I've told this story before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When we talked about Joe and C, but I'll tell it again, because we have some new people listening and some new people at chat so I was gosh, I was a little I was I was a youngster and my buddy was Mormon and I literally did not know anything about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The religion or whatever, but he had just invited me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, hey, Steve Young is speaking at my church.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, oh, cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see, you know, I'll go to see Steve Young speak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, I remember asking my parents and they're like, okay, like, cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, are you sure this one down again?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Steve Young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I go and Steve basically tells the story of, uh, first year on the Niners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanksgiving and Joe invites him to Thanksgiving dinner because Steve is new, no family, single man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I like, you know, when you run it back, when you Monday morning, quarterback, you're like, oh, keep your friends close and keep your enemies closer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they're at Thanksgiving dinner and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's like, hey, this is Steve Young and Joe's daughter goes, Daddy, is that the man that you hate?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kids say the darnedest things, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're, you know, like you, I'm watching.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe and Steve, though Joe in that in that documentary, he kept saying, I knew I was better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew I was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no way that he was better than me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe continued to say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Steve was a little bit more diplomatic, but he was honest in that if I'm competing, I'm competing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I can't really care about his feelings on the situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm competing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm getting this opportunity and it's my job to go out there and show that I'm the number one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was the, like, if anybody thinks this warriors stuff right now is like crazed media, it's like not even close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like not even one tenth of what Jovers Steve was in the late 80s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the biggest story in in in the Bay area, sometimes in the, you know, in all of sports and sports world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the last thing I want to say about the rises 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: those guys as they get older, Ronnie Lot, Brent Jones, Roger, who was not in it for whatever reason, Tom Rathman, Keena, Jerry, John Taylor, Joe and Steve, I think the even Guy

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[SPEAKER_00]: I get really worried, like, you know, just thinking like, oh man, those class of the NFL years are further away now than anything, like we grew up in them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we, you know, you and I are thinking like, oh, man, you know, even if we only win a Super Bowl once every five years, we're good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now it's been 20, you think I'm about to snow 30, is it 31 years since the last Super Bowl?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is so far in our rear view that it's almost, it doesn't, it almost doesn't feel like the same franchise anymore and with the way that history works and social media and people can barely remember what happened in today's Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wonder if that mystique with the franchise is going to continue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: or are they gonna have to go on another run for those memories in the history and what that value is to the NFL for it to still be what it was when we were younger?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, because, you know, by all other accounts, I mean, we have been to three Super Bowls while Jed has been the owner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's not, you know, that's not nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, that's good over a what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: 20, 20 year history.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I wonder if you take over,

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it hasn't been four or two thousand and five or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it has been or it was his mom and then there were some trends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not clear on exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I know we moved, we've been at Levi for 11 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he, so it's been about 15 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, he was, did he hire Mike Nolan?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Mike Nolan would have been 2005, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was because Alex was drafted in 2005.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I don't know if that was Denise and and John York for the owner's then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's so that's not nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we got we have to win the championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, that is I am not one who looks at things binary like that to that say, well, Kyle sucks because he has won the championship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't think okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was 2008 when he took over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was only 28 years old.

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[UNKNOWN]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that is crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was, uh, how old would I have been?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was, I think I was 22.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's only what six years older than me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does that make sense?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean, no, no, no, I had one of my saying, I was 32.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm a couple years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Gotcha.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I mean, and so I kind of like, that was one of the things that I'm kind of hard on yet, but then that's what this, this, this documentary reminded me that it wasn't all peaches and cream for Eddie, because those teams, in the reason I, I was not, I was still young,

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[SPEAKER_01]: when, you know, the Joe Thomas and O.J.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Simpson, I vaguely recall O.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Simpson being a 49er, but I did not remember all the draft fix that they gave up for O.J.

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[SPEAKER_00]: one for L.C.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on the yards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, she had his head some success with Shannon hand and hardball, but he's also got the firing of hardball and the Thompson and Chip Kelly, Gabocco,

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[SPEAKER_01]: on his resume as well, but, you know, I guess if you want to say one thing that he is clearly learned is that he learned from hardball is he doesn't seem to be, you know, they're done seem to be any key on Jim's seat, I mean, on a Kyle's seat, you know, for better or for worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got extensions that every turn and it doesn't seem like

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and I'm not saying that there should be because I think that he's done a wonderful job and I have been arguing and we'll argue that he is the second most successful coach and

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[SPEAKER_01]: 49ers history I put him right behind Walsh and people will say we'll see for one championship see for one championship with Walsh's team and we saw people talking about coaching acumen we saw your seafood in the exact same situation caution and was taken over a 2014 team and it did not

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[SPEAKER_01]: go well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not got at the record of like most games lost in a row or something like that.

01:02:13.868 --> 01:02:23.247
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, so this is, you know, the fact that Lynch and Shannon hand took this team from two wins and by all accounts and we were there, you know,

01:02:23.227 --> 01:02:38.805
[SPEAKER_01]: People were saying that was, you know, Chip Kelly oversaw the worse roster in the NFL in 2016 and they took that team to a Super Bowl in two years, kind of like the, um,

01:02:38.785 --> 01:02:55.747
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a variable turnaround this year and they have been, you know, it's it's that it's crazy, but, you know, either we're not, either we're not in the play before this year, either we are not in the playoffs or we're in the NFC championship under Kyle.

01:02:56.127 --> 01:03:03.156
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, these had a lot of success and I just am not a binary guide as they will.

01:03:03.541 --> 01:03:06.547
[SPEAKER_01]: if you didn't win the Super Bowl within this season was a failure.

01:03:06.808 --> 01:03:12.199
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I just, I do not subscribe to that kind of binary thinking.

01:03:12.580 --> 01:03:18.772
[SPEAKER_01]: Like even this season, we didn't make it to the Super Bowl, but there were a lot of positives to this season.

01:03:19.033 --> 01:03:24.023
[SPEAKER_01]: I, well, they lost, you know, they got blew up by Seattle, so this season was a failure.

01:03:24.464 --> 01:03:24.925
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:03:24.905 --> 01:03:43.167
[SPEAKER_01]: I, it was this is one of the most fun seasons as a 49er fan, as being a 49er fan since like 1982 and having seen five championships and many other, at least yet three other appearances.

01:03:44.069 --> 01:03:50.136
[SPEAKER_01]: We didn't get there with this, this was such an improbable team and

01:03:50.116 --> 01:04:01.713
[SPEAKER_01]: and such an unprobable run that I have, I, there's no way by any metrics do I consider this season a failure?

01:04:01.973 --> 01:04:03.115
[SPEAKER_01]: It just, it just wasn't.

01:04:03.235 --> 01:04:05.398
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, it was a good season.

01:04:06.019 --> 01:04:08.984
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think we have things to grow on.

01:04:09.024 --> 01:04:12.128
[SPEAKER_01]: There are things to be hopeful about.

01:04:12.569 --> 01:04:14.552
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I think that's what it is.

01:04:14.772 --> 01:04:16.174
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because this is a,

01:04:16.610 --> 01:04:21.938
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, talk about like a soap opera or television show, it's just one that never ends.

01:04:22.058 --> 01:04:34.556
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so this season, more than the next season, and there are things that happen this season, that will inform what's going to happen next season.

01:04:34.816 --> 01:04:35.497
[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah.

01:04:35.597 --> 01:04:43.849
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I don't think how should

01:04:43.829 --> 01:04:49.063
[SPEAKER_01]: This documentary reminded me of how

01:04:49.769 --> 01:04:57.796
[SPEAKER_01]: proactive and how involved Eddie was in the success.

01:04:58.577 --> 01:05:18.055
[SPEAKER_01]: And I hope that those fans who have always kind of dismissed the dynasty era in the ADD era as oh, that you can just

01:05:19.216 --> 01:05:27.370
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, reductive and you're missing the point if you believe that that is the only difference between

01:05:28.177 --> 01:05:31.641
[SPEAKER_01]: 80 D's, 10 year and Jets 10 year.

01:05:32.022 --> 01:05:36.166
[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of the else side of South America, and by the way, exactly.

01:05:36.186 --> 01:05:44.897
[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't like they were operating under this vacuum when everybody else wasn't operating under the right same rules.

01:05:45.137 --> 01:05:45.738
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.

01:05:46.018 --> 01:05:48.140
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, everybody gets set aside when we get to.

01:05:48.501 --> 01:05:58.032
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, we talk about substation gate and whatnot, you know, I think the fact

01:05:58.012 --> 01:06:13.048
[SPEAKER_01]: surrounded by Cal Berkeley and UCSF and Stanford and all of these have cutting edge and top of their fields in sports medicine and human performance.

01:06:13.449 --> 01:06:23.800
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet when we ask how come we've led, been at the top of the league and misgames, the only thing Jack and says we need to investigate.

01:06:23.780 --> 01:06:35.258
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a, we can't say that we've consulted with this person or that person or that person who are experts in their field and are literally.

01:06:35.693 --> 01:06:40.580
[SPEAKER_01]: a $20 override from the facility.

01:06:40.620 --> 01:06:49.792
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, we haven't consulted with any of those people because the one thing I know about Jed is if they hack and consult with them, we would know it because they'd be marketing and it's affected.

01:06:50.192 --> 01:06:54.098
[SPEAKER_01]: We are in partnership with Stanford or UCSF or whoever.

01:06:54.138 --> 01:06:55.439
[SPEAKER_01]: So they aren't.

01:06:55.720 --> 01:06:57.482
[SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that they aren't,

01:06:57.850 --> 01:07:03.715
[SPEAKER_01]: To me is an organizational failure, he just needs to stay up a Twitter is what he needs to do.

01:07:04.116 --> 01:07:04.376
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:07:04.576 --> 01:07:06.358
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the Twitter thing.

01:07:06.418 --> 01:07:13.084
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a, um, Yannis, you know, and where's need to trade for Yannis and there.

01:07:13.104 --> 01:07:13.284
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:07:13.324 --> 01:07:14.405
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's great.

01:07:14.425 --> 01:07:17.127
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, of course, they need to trade for Yannis.

01:07:17.407 --> 01:07:22.632
[SPEAKER_00]: But the reality is is Yannis also wants to come here at the same time.

01:07:23.653 --> 01:07:26.035
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's that that is a,

01:07:26.605 --> 01:07:38.257
[SPEAKER_00]: It in a weird sense now, I think this is a little strategic because the Niners know that it's junk science more than likely junk science.

01:07:38.919 --> 01:07:41.847
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you let that story sit out there.

01:07:42.873 --> 01:07:45.316
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you don't have to really discuss what the real problems are.

01:07:45.676 --> 01:07:47.339
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's what the little bit of that is.

01:07:48.059 --> 01:07:58.032
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so before we talk about Roger real quick, I wanted to shout out MDs in WKK, A Zach 40 who are also in the chat.

01:07:58.572 --> 01:08:05.060
[SPEAKER_00]: They are in the chat right now trying to fix all of the 49ers issues as we get into next season.

01:08:05.141 --> 01:08:06.542
[SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to both of you guys.

01:08:07.383 --> 01:08:09.606
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Roger Craig.

01:08:10.193 --> 01:08:14.581
[SPEAKER_00]: This has been a long time waiting for our guy to get into the Hall of Fame.

01:08:15.402 --> 01:08:22.955
[SPEAKER_00]: He was the first 1,000, 1,000 guy since then, you know, Marshall Falk and CMC have done it.

01:08:24.437 --> 01:08:25.339
[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody else has done it.

01:08:25.359 --> 01:08:26.241
[SPEAKER_00]: LaDanie Thompson did.

01:08:26.301 --> 01:08:27.362
[SPEAKER_00]: LaDanie Thompson do it.

01:08:27.723 --> 01:08:31.189
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember who else, who else did it.

01:08:31.895 --> 01:08:45.123
[SPEAKER_00]: not not even drafted as an actual running back drafted as a fullback plays fullback on the his first 49er Super Bowl team in 1984.

01:08:45.964 --> 01:08:52.097
[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's Wendell Tyler's fullback and then we just talked about cut throat bill.

01:08:52.077 --> 01:08:54.462
[SPEAKER_00]: Cut throat bill wall, she's like, sorry, window.

01:08:54.722 --> 01:08:59.612
[SPEAKER_00]: You're losing a little bit of a steam and you still fumble the ball quite a bit for my taste.

01:09:00.413 --> 01:09:11.655
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Roger becomes the number one tailback in an offense designed to take advantage of all of the things he does well, which is,

01:09:11.838 --> 01:09:16.386
[SPEAKER_00]: Pass block, catch the ball out of the back field and break tackles.

01:09:16.446 --> 01:09:24.720
[SPEAKER_00]: He was never the fastest guy, never the fastest running back, but tenacious knees always up, knees always moving.

01:09:24.740 --> 01:09:37.322
[SPEAKER_00]: You would hear stories of guys saying that he was so hard to tackle because you would go in and unless you were able to get him low, you were taking knees to the head as you were trying to bring him down, but

01:09:38.332 --> 01:09:55.530
[SPEAKER_00]: just a what a football play like even less than a running back just what a football player to watch and when he came into his own and became one of the best players in the game it was like one of those things where you saw him from the beginning and I think 83 would have been his rookie year.

01:09:56.033 --> 01:10:04.087
[SPEAKER_00]: all the way through and unfortunately the mds mentions the the fumble against the giants in the NFC championship game.

01:10:04.207 --> 01:10:16.928
[SPEAKER_00]: I was such a Roger Craig fan, even though Roger Craig fumbled that and then the Niners lost that game to go to the Super Bowl for the three-peat, even though he did fumble that game away.

01:10:17.380 --> 01:10:18.662
[SPEAKER_00]: I still blame Bob of Paris.

01:10:18.782 --> 01:10:23.930
[SPEAKER_00]: Bob was taking, he was taking shots for me out of nowhere.

01:10:23.950 --> 01:10:27.916
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, what, you see, I was having to block Lawrence Taylor.

01:10:27.936 --> 01:10:30.260
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't you claim to be in this game?

01:10:30.901 --> 01:10:31.882
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, that's why I blame.

01:10:31.902 --> 01:10:34.446
[SPEAKER_00]: I blame Bob over Roger to have such a Roger fan.

01:10:34.486 --> 01:10:34.967
[SPEAKER_00]: But.

01:10:36.652 --> 01:10:37.133
[SPEAKER_00]: Awesome.

01:10:37.153 --> 01:10:38.194
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm so happy for him.

01:10:38.214 --> 01:10:48.892
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you anybody go going, you know, I'm not the biggest social media guy these days, but go check out the Ronnie lot and Roger video where they knock on his door and you see him so excited.

01:10:48.972 --> 01:10:50.254
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, it's so great.

01:10:50.614 --> 01:10:51.936
[SPEAKER_00]: So shout out to Roger.

01:10:51.996 --> 01:11:03.655
[SPEAKER_00]: He's finally in now we got to get Frank Gore in as well, a deserving guy, but Roger man three championships.

01:11:04.951 --> 01:11:11.420
[SPEAKER_00]: He could have been a Super Bowl MVP, but, yeah, great player, you know, I'm glad he's in.

01:11:13.283 --> 01:11:16.768
[SPEAKER_00]: Hi, I'm happy for him, full stop.

01:11:18.391 --> 01:11:32.511
[SPEAKER_01]: I also have been catching strays for the past three years over my take that while I, again, have always said I'd be happy for him to get in, but I also,

01:11:32.660 --> 01:11:35.745
[SPEAKER_01]: don't think that him not being in was robbery.

01:11:35.885 --> 01:11:41.174
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you just look at his resume, you can make the case that it's like three seasons.

01:11:41.755 --> 01:11:44.740
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that are at like all of fame.

01:11:45.041 --> 01:11:46.323
[SPEAKER_00]: Super high level is.

01:11:46.904 --> 01:11:48.847
[SPEAKER_00]: And then get some MVP reasons.

01:11:48.867 --> 01:11:49.047
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:11:49.909 --> 01:11:50.109
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:11:50.169 --> 01:11:57.942
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, but, you know, in a nine

01:11:59.187 --> 01:12:01.652
[SPEAKER_01]: He played a lot of high leverage games.

01:12:01.692 --> 01:12:21.229
[SPEAKER_01]: He played on three championship teams so he played a lot of medical football with the 49ers and for if you want to say that the fact that he was the first thousand yard receiving and rushing back carries some sort of historic significance

01:12:21.850 --> 01:12:22.571
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll give you that.

01:12:22.611 --> 01:12:40.570
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but I could also say that that means that in a nine year career that if he only had three or four good seasons, then he only had any at five that weren't so I could see where why his you know why he had fallen short.

01:12:40.671 --> 01:12:51.182
[SPEAKER_01]: So, but I'm happy for him and those people who have dunked on me in the past for saying that it is a robbery and he should have been in.

01:12:51.922 --> 01:12:53.764
[SPEAKER_01]: congratulations to you too.

01:12:53.784 --> 01:12:56.406
[SPEAKER_01]: So because I'm happy for him as well.

01:12:57.047 --> 01:13:05.595
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that, um, you know, there's nothing that happened in the Vikings and the Raiders that scrum screamed all of famed to me.

01:13:05.915 --> 01:13:09.999
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think it took him almost 30 years to get in, right?

01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:19.988
[SPEAKER_01]: So he couldn't

01:13:20.660 --> 01:13:22.845
[SPEAKER_01]: as a 49er fan did make your emotional.

01:13:23.446 --> 01:13:25.030
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, nothing else.

01:13:25.050 --> 01:13:26.473
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love seeing Ronnie.

01:13:26.894 --> 01:13:31.083
[SPEAKER_01]: I love seeing Ronnie in the documentary.

01:13:31.284 --> 01:13:31.885
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

01:13:31.905 --> 01:13:36.255
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just he's somebody that I.

01:13:36.742 --> 01:13:43.616
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting to me because I know the backstory of how he left and the fact that he's not around.

01:13:43.756 --> 01:13:45.419
[SPEAKER_01]: Plan B for the agency, man.

01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:46.501
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it means.

01:13:46.742 --> 01:13:47.764
[SPEAKER_01]: It was planned.

01:13:48.385 --> 01:13:55.459
[SPEAKER_01]: The fact that he's not around kind of makes sense, but could for me, he is, you know, literally

01:13:55.439 --> 01:14:25.075
[SPEAKER_01]: a Mount Rushmore guy, I mean, the all of the, you know, all of the defensive, just about all of the defensive highlights in this documentary, you have something to do with Ronnie lot in the fact, you know, it's just so much, it takes an added, makes an added gravity because of where we are with our talent at safety to have a guy like Ronnie lot who is the quintessential,

01:14:26.894 --> 01:14:34.547
[SPEAKER_01]: two-way player in that he was an all-pro corner and an all-pro safety.

01:14:34.788 --> 01:14:44.786
[SPEAKER_01]: And nobody, I mean, nobody, nobody will ever come down and be that type of enforcer in today's game, then Ronnie Lotton.

01:14:44.826 --> 01:14:49.594
[SPEAKER_01]: They have effectively legislated a Ronnie Lotton type of player.

01:14:49.574 --> 01:14:50.555
[SPEAKER_01]: out of football.

01:14:50.615 --> 01:14:54.381
[SPEAKER_01]: That guy would never exist again.

01:14:54.781 --> 01:14:57.045
[SPEAKER_01]: He was just such a difference maker.

01:14:57.645 --> 01:15:02.212
[SPEAKER_01]: And they showed one of my favorite, that he was hit in the Super Bowl.

01:15:02.813 --> 01:15:07.920
[SPEAKER_01]: That is right up there with

01:15:08.069 --> 01:15:29.577
[SPEAKER_01]: my favorite hits, all most of them are Ronnie Latheets, right up there and the other one that comes to my is that Hitler hit on Pierre Thomas against the Saints where that's when we let them know that it was going to be a long day when he just was hitting him up.

01:15:29.997 --> 01:15:37.367
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I love seeing Ronnie Lathe

01:15:38.478 --> 01:15:40.562
[SPEAKER_01]: let Roger Craig know that he would.

01:15:40.582 --> 01:15:45.731
[SPEAKER_01]: I just love that series is such a, um, that's such a great thing to see.

01:15:46.152 --> 01:15:52.083
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that one with, um, 49ers with the Patrick Wallace, one was great too.

01:15:52.344 --> 01:15:53.486
[SPEAKER_01]: I just, yeah.

01:15:54.147 --> 01:15:55.790
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I, I love that.

01:15:55.810 --> 01:15:57.774
[SPEAKER_01]: So I, congratulations.

01:15:58.575 --> 01:16:01.701
[SPEAKER_01]: Roger and it will be great to, um,

01:16:02.474 --> 01:16:08.562
[SPEAKER_01]: to have the 49ers represented on Hall of Fame weekend.

01:16:08.602 --> 01:16:09.143
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.

01:16:10.004 --> 01:16:30.793
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the way that NFL running backs are kind of used the same way that that not maybe not as bad as back in the day, but you know, the reason why you generally don't take a running back high is because of their

01:16:31.060 --> 01:16:43.478
[SPEAKER_00]: look at Roger Craig's longevity and you could point it to the seasons in which you thought he was like all world because they used him so much.

01:16:44.659 --> 01:16:45.941
[SPEAKER_00]: There was one season.

01:16:45.961 --> 01:16:54.874
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he had he had three hundred

01:16:55.597 --> 01:17:13.825
[SPEAKER_00]: And 111 passing targets now Christian gets more than that crazy, but he gets more than that generally just because passing that there's more passes in a game today than there were back then, but you can look at that season and from that season on.

01:17:13.805 --> 01:17:15.207
[SPEAKER_00]: his yards per carry go down.

01:17:15.868 --> 01:17:30.292
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's not an excuse, football is football, but they used him up essentially as the all-world guy that he was and then his body just wore out from all the usage football's a hard sport.

01:17:30.312 --> 01:17:30.953
[SPEAKER_00]: So

01:17:30.933 --> 01:17:52.080
[SPEAKER_00]: you what you said is a hundred percent right like if you look at his statistics he's got like three years where he stands out as like one of the top two or three running backs in the game and then the rest of them it's like yeah he's productive he's not the best but he's very productive so but yeah like if you watch him in real time

01:17:52.060 --> 01:18:13.247
[SPEAKER_00]: There was also, as you're talking about Ronnie Lot being kind of like the tone setter, kind of the heart and soul, like Roger would not get the same acclaim because he played with Montana and Rice, but in many ways he was a very similar tone setter as Ronnie was on on the other side of the field.

01:18:13.307 --> 01:18:13.748
[SPEAKER_00]: So.

01:18:13.728 --> 01:18:19.255
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, we want a little longer, but we have to wrap this season up and, you know, we're going to be back.

01:18:20.076 --> 01:18:24.202
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully a little bit more this year, because I think the off season is just going to be so interesting.

01:18:24.703 --> 01:18:28.668
[SPEAKER_00]: And I know your draft guy and we'll come back and we'll talk about some of your draft folks.

01:18:28.728 --> 01:18:35.117
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, based on MDs and WKK Azac, they're fired up.

01:18:35.137 --> 01:18:36.158
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like,

01:18:36.138 --> 01:18:38.040
[SPEAKER_00]: what's the free agency plan right now?

01:18:38.440 --> 01:18:41.763
[SPEAKER_00]: It's February the 8th and these got in and they're ready.

01:18:41.884 --> 01:18:47.489
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think, you know, I think we'll have a pretty fun off season to keep talking about this stuff.

01:18:47.549 --> 01:18:51.473
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, if I was to say what should the off season plan be?

01:18:52.614 --> 01:18:53.154
[SPEAKER_00]: Use your money.

01:18:53.194 --> 01:19:04.305
[SPEAKER_00]: And just everyone cross their fingers on some of these draft picks because they need to hit.

01:19:05.399 --> 01:19:29.371
[SPEAKER_00]: are kind of like not saying that if they don't hit immediately that these are going to be failed seasons, but if you think about the ceiling of this team and like how many years some of these guys got left, we've been talking about this from here on out, it's about a two-year period before you have to like swap some of these players that we've known to love.

01:19:30.092 --> 01:19:34.798
[SPEAKER_00]: And so the way that they're going to do that is they're going to have to be

01:19:35.133 --> 01:19:36.876
[SPEAKER_00]: and they're gonna have to hit on these picks, man.

01:19:37.176 --> 01:19:42.344
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, somebody said in the chat earlier, can we just let the Eagles draft for us?

01:19:42.824 --> 01:19:45.909
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, great, like, let's do it.

01:19:46.730 --> 01:19:50.636
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm good with that, just trade for how we, exactly.

01:19:50.776 --> 01:20:01.512
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but, you know, we, a lot of times, we've taken some time off just because, you know, for me, then it becomes basketball season and also the German baseball season.

01:20:01.492 --> 01:20:05.378
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, a lot of times we're also just recording Sunday evening.

01:20:05.498 --> 01:20:26.031
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, if we can make the time on Sunday evening, maybe we do come back a little bit more this off season, you know, not every week, but you know, maybe once every couple weeks and then as the draft comes and you know, we'll get a little bit more schedule wise a little bit more weekly and then take some time off, go back to every other week and then.

01:20:26.011 --> 01:20:34.819
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, especially during the many camps and the off season stuff, you know, as free agency starts, of course, we're going to be back.

01:20:34.879 --> 01:20:44.608
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm in full, I am in full research and reconnaissance of dumpling shops in Melbourne, Australia.

01:20:44.928 --> 01:20:49.472
[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to be my offensive plan is just putting together by itinerary.

01:20:49.512 --> 01:20:50.133
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you going?

01:20:50.253 --> 01:20:50.553
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that?

01:20:51.133 --> 01:20:52.034
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.

01:20:52.495 --> 01:20:52.775
[SPEAKER_01]: Nice.

01:20:53.095 --> 01:20:53.736
[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.

01:20:53.816 --> 01:20:55.157
[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely going.

01:20:55.137 --> 01:21:02.448
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't wait, this is going to be in for our fans, you know, no, we are going to be playing the Rams week one in Melbourne, Australia.

01:21:02.869 --> 01:21:06.374
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what day are they going to, are they going to, are they going to be on a Sunday?

01:21:06.455 --> 01:21:08.257
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause it isn't, I'll ask you the stars.

01:21:08.738 --> 01:21:15.028
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, if they, they haven't announced, but it based on just the logistics of it, it has to be Thursday night.

01:21:15.188 --> 01:21:18.934
[SPEAKER_01]: They can't be anything else because just,

01:21:18.914 --> 01:21:24.279
[SPEAKER_01]: Number one, from a local market standpoint, that's the only time.

01:21:24.299 --> 01:21:30.524
[SPEAKER_01]: That third genite game is a Friday morning game there.

01:21:31.085 --> 01:21:40.654
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing else makes any kind of sense for them logistically there, and anything else for the teams is a logistical nightmare for.

01:21:41.394 --> 01:21:48.921
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not going to be a Sunday day game,

01:21:48.901 --> 01:21:52.485
[SPEAKER_01]: market in just a regular regular space.

01:21:52.506 --> 01:22:04.861
[SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely an event game which makes it Thursday night Saturday night or Monday night and Sunday night Monday night just don't work because you know they got to come back and play a game next week.

01:22:05.101 --> 01:22:12.090
[SPEAKER_01]: So for all those reasons and to do with Sunday night or Monday night would mean it would be a

01:22:12.526 --> 01:22:18.253
[SPEAKER_01]: Monday or Tuesday morning game fair, which doesn't make any sense.

01:22:18.273 --> 01:22:19.654
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's going to be Thursday night.

01:22:20.015 --> 01:22:21.676
[SPEAKER_00]: I've already just had it so crazy.

01:22:21.717 --> 01:22:28.164
[SPEAKER_00]: Like think of the like I don't know how how long they would have to stay in in Australia.

01:22:28.204 --> 01:22:29.586
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know when they would get in.

01:22:31.187 --> 01:22:37.635
[SPEAKER_00]: Just imagine the jet lag coming back into town and having to readjust for that week.

01:22:37.875 --> 01:22:39.597
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope what I hope.

01:22:39.982 --> 01:22:44.349
[SPEAKER_00]: And this couldn't be both teams, unless they did two Monday night games in week two.

01:22:45.050 --> 01:22:49.316
[SPEAKER_00]: But you'd hope that they would get some sort of rest, some sort of extra.

01:22:49.336 --> 01:22:53.242
[SPEAKER_01]: All those have to have them schedule them for Monday night the next week.

01:22:53.562 --> 01:22:53.803
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:22:53.823 --> 01:22:57.889
[SPEAKER_01]: That way, it's kind of like a mini-buy.

01:22:57.869 --> 01:23:07.568
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not because they still got to get back here, but at least they can, you know, they don't have to start preparing for the game, you know, until Tuesday.

01:23:07.648 --> 01:23:09.993
[SPEAKER_00]: So Kyle's a sicko.

01:23:10.013 --> 01:23:14.983
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just going to start, he's going to have his computer and start game planning on the flight home.

01:23:15.098 --> 01:23:17.382
[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.

01:23:17.402 --> 01:23:36.313
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but anyway, yeah, we've gone really long, but I am so glad I've been waiting to talk to somebody about the documentary and I didn't really wasn't really jazz about talking about super low, but we got to I got to hear your thoughts on.

01:23:36.293 --> 01:23:58.774
[SPEAKER_00]: The documentary and yeah, you attacked me and told me that you liked it, but yeah, to hear your thoughts on it was really That was that was really what I showed up for that don't like those are the years, man It's just because we we were young so when when you're younger those moments like really we have stand out I'm sure people who are you know 10 15 years younger than us

01:23:58.754 --> 01:24:02.799
[SPEAKER_00]: like those hardball years, probably really, really end out for them.

01:24:02.839 --> 01:24:05.683
[SPEAKER_00]: And they stand out for me, too, but not like those old years.

01:24:05.703 --> 01:24:15.956
[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, yeah, I would suggest anybody who's listening to this or in the chat, go find it, Tom, like Tom Brady is not a turn off in it.

01:24:15.976 --> 01:24:19.480
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was kind of worried about it.

01:24:19.460 --> 01:24:23.847
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew he was a nine or fan, but just his personality sometimes could be a turnoff.

01:24:23.927 --> 01:24:31.518
[SPEAKER_00]: It was not in this context because he's a football psycho as well, and he was in love with those football teams.

01:24:31.558 --> 01:24:45.079
[SPEAKER_00]: He was talking about after they won the 90, I think he said that I don't remember which Super Bowl it was, but he's won your younger than me, and he said they were in San

01:24:45.059 --> 01:25:04.772
[SPEAKER_00]: Bang and pots and pans after one of the super bowls and I was like, well, I wasn't doing that like my parents were not going to let me run out into the streets with some pots and pans, but yeah, that's not a lot of people yeah, he is somebody who a lot of people consider the go and you could I don't think you could fake.

01:25:04.752 --> 01:25:09.938
[SPEAKER_01]: House and Seer he was about being and geeking out throwing a ball with Jerry Wright.

01:25:10.218 --> 01:25:21.530
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, any of us can, you know, that's what made him relatable because any of us can how cool would it be to catch passes and play catch with Jerry Wright.

01:25:21.610 --> 01:25:23.011
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, get out of here.

01:25:23.051 --> 01:25:31.080
[SPEAKER_01]: That would be a bucketless moment and it really felt like Tom Brady was feeling that as well.

01:25:31.060 --> 01:25:34.025
[SPEAKER_00]: He was putting some heat on those balls too.

01:25:34.445 --> 01:25:37.029
[SPEAKER_00]: Jerry was like, you know, you can take a little bit off.

01:25:37.109 --> 01:25:38.571
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, no, I'm throwing the Jerry.

01:25:38.692 --> 01:25:40.274
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't look like a punk out here.

01:25:42.838 --> 01:25:43.479
[SPEAKER_01]: It was awesome.

01:25:43.499 --> 01:25:54.756
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, man, you guys get that seven day pass and then I know for if you if you if you have Amazon prime video, you can click on it.

01:25:55.630 --> 01:26:02.263
[SPEAKER_01]: Get your seven days and you can go right in there and cancel it and it gives you the seven days.

01:26:02.343 --> 01:26:02.884
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:26:02.904 --> 01:26:03.585
[SPEAKER_01]: To watch it.

01:26:03.665 --> 01:26:04.026
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah.

01:26:04.186 --> 01:26:07.452
[SPEAKER_01]: So you don't even have to worry about because I'm notorious.

01:26:08.234 --> 01:26:09.376
[SPEAKER_01]: I start.

01:26:09.556 --> 01:26:12.542
[SPEAKER_01]: I signed up for paramount plus.

01:26:12.522 --> 01:26:18.653
[SPEAKER_01]: Allegedly to watch Tulsa King way back in the day, not still have paramount plus.

01:26:18.993 --> 01:26:25.385
[SPEAKER_01]: I watch other things on paramount plus, but I'm notorious for signing up for free trials and then not canceling.

01:26:25.665 --> 01:26:27.548
[SPEAKER_01]: But this makes it very seamless.

01:26:27.749 --> 01:26:30.033
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm probably making it very seamless.

01:26:30.053 --> 01:26:32.016
[SPEAKER_01]: So I cancel the immediately.

01:26:32.056 --> 01:26:34.260
[SPEAKER_01]: I've actually watched it twice.

01:26:34.240 --> 01:26:38.167
[SPEAKER_01]: and it's going to cancel in two days for me.

01:26:38.848 --> 01:26:40.390
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, get in there and watch it.

01:26:40.410 --> 01:26:42.674
[SPEAKER_00]: If you are a 40 oner fan, it's a must.

01:26:42.774 --> 01:26:47.342
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and if you have watched it, drop us a comment and let us know what you think.

01:26:47.362 --> 01:26:49.706
[SPEAKER_00]: So, Alrighty, that is it from here.

01:26:50.167 --> 01:26:53.953
[SPEAKER_00]: Rod and I will figure out when we want to come back, there's going to be

01:26:53.933 --> 01:26:57.618
[SPEAKER_00]: some, you know, some news that will be some roster stuff.

01:26:57.699 --> 01:27:13.782
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know exactly when the the days open for free agency in such, but we will we will we will be here and we will be talking about it because it's going it's an important, you know, it's important one coming off a last year.

01:27:14.183 --> 01:27:19.690
[SPEAKER_00]: we a little bit down and this year like Rod said was a positive year.

01:27:20.631 --> 01:27:26.178
[SPEAKER_00]: So the hope is that, you know, you can build off of it and look, they got another third play schedule.

01:27:26.198 --> 01:27:28.581
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like they're going to get killed schedule wise again.

01:27:28.661 --> 01:27:34.828
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is something that is going to be good as far as who they play next year as well.

01:27:35.309 --> 01:27:37.692
[SPEAKER_00]: So okay, that is it from here.

01:27:37.752 --> 01:27:41.777
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Rod, I am WG,