SF Giants Roster Moves & ABS Thoughts: 2026 Season Outlook | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to Thompson to Clark, Brad, the season started and didn't do over it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The opposite of the way that we had hoped, though, you know, I had, we've had a couple of days to sit on this and I think if you take out the first game, right, the first game when you have your ace on the mound.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the score, how that game got out of hand very quickly, maybe the misnomer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other two games were kind of like more of what you would expect and then with the changes that they've made, the offense not flowing yet, those made a lot more sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's still three games sweep and you start the season in the hole and now if you're going to make the playoffs, you probably got to go six games over 500 from here or whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we'll talk about that series in a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to actually kick off with some news because there has been some news as of today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So as we know Luis Matos was DFA because he did not make the 40 men or he did not make the 26 man roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have any options left.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we figured that he was going to be picked up and the brewers made a claim and the giants worked out a deal with the brewers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they got back

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, Mattus is now a ruler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good luck to Mattus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope he does well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, if he actually becomes the, the player that we were hoping he was going to become that would be frustrating for giant fans, but good for him because, you know, he, he seemed like he's a good kid and then they made a trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for right-handed reliever Dylan Smith who didn't make the tigers opening day roster, and he was also out of options.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, actually.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I believe that's what I'm thinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's got two options, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that that one I'm still not quite sure how that whole thing went down, because I believe he has two options, because the giants were able to send him to triple A this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so whatever that thing was, the way to add him to the 40 man meant that they had to clear another spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that spot was formerly Tyler Fitzgerald's spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, in one day, the giant loose Luis Monto's in Tyler Fitzgerald, Fitzgerald, I still, it's still hard for me to believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that he couldn't just be the ultimate utility guy play a little outfield play a little infield when you need base running he's probably the fastest guy on the team and maybe that maybe maybe they see that as possibly a grant McCray opportunity later this year but it's still kind of a bummer because

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think we we had envisioned like the perfect version of Tyler Fitzgerald was somebody was going to play all over the field and just be that like Like the the guy who fires up the giants because he takes an extra base or whatever wasn't it just never worked out he couldn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you couldn't actually get on base for one right and then with all that speed he didn't really steal bases in an efficient manner is getting picked off and having bad base running decisions and stuff so unfortunate kind of a bummer i think age just kind of caught up with him to he's now outside of what you would consider to be a prospect so Tyler Fitzgerald no longer

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the Giants can't swept in a three game series, your job is on the line, even though you had nothing to do with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So be careful, but I think that's a joke.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, the main thing is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The giants are looking for consistency, even in AAA, you know, they're looking for consistency in back about filters, they're looking for consistency in utility men.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you lamented last year and you just mentioned it again, we wanted

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Tyler Fitzgerald to be that guy, but then last year, you even told me you're like, but he's got to get on base and I'm like, yeah, he just doesn't get on base and that's a major issue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You speed is great off the bench.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Oliva, you know, and Oliva kind of took Luis Montoso's job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so that that that that alleviated Luis Montoso and let him go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then with Tyler Fitzgerald, the other issue is you have the emergence of costs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you've got a lot of infielders that are coming through the system right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think, you know, and Casey Schmidt, he's going to be your bench guy for 162 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be not necessarily a bench guy, but he's going to be your utility guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be on the roster for 162 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just kind of how it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's, you know, that, again, if you're not consistent, you know, the great flashes from Tyler Fitzgerald 13 home runs in 26 games, a couple of years ago, never found that again, couldn't get on base, couldn't get hits, and then the same thing with Luis Montos, he's a guy that needs to play every day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: an outfielder in Colorado maybe but again you got to cover a lot of ground there he's the type of guy if you if you've got to club not the Dodgers because Dodgers can just spend money out the was you but if you've got a if you've got a team like let's say the Texas Rangers who spend a lot of money or the Padres who you know normally spend a lot of money if you've got teams like that that spend a lot of money on an outfielder

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[SPEAKER_00]: or two outfielders, you can have a Luis Montes in the outfield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whether giants have Ramos and Lee and Bader, there's just not the room and Montes needs to play every day and that's the bottom line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hate to see him go, I'd love to see him get the chance, though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he could play in Cincinnati, a small ballpark, he could play in Colorado, small ballpark in terms of offense, so it'd be interesting to see where he lands.

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[SPEAKER_00]: actually it's not interesting to see where you land because you landed in Milwaukee, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's going to be kind of a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think in Milwaukee because they are loaded in the outfield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that was one of those situations too where they just kind of grabbed them and they said, look, we can do something with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you can be a fourth outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we can get some philosophies down for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, all this just happened today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't really

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[SPEAKER_00]: next couple days what their plan is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dylan Smith don't know too much about him other than he's 25 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had a couple of appearances last year and they were really solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, other than that, I mean, there wasn't much about him out there that I could find.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll have to learn about him a little more as Grant Brissby and Alex Pavlovitch and Andrew Baggly and Susan Slusher right

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[SPEAKER_01]: You look at that bullpen and you go, yep, make sense to me to add some the possibilities of some arms and I know they're carrying, I believe they're carrying three lefties right now, which

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that you can really carry that many lefties in the pen because there's not enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As you maneuver late in the end, there's going to be more right handed hitters than left handed hitters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, they're going to make some adjustments.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think one of the things that was really interesting is

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we have maybe even said it on the show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember, but the idea that the opening day roster is literally just for that first series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, those first few weeks of the season, and then you adjust to see what you have, and you adjust to some of the other teams, like, just funny, the Arizona Diamondbacks, they play LA,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't have a single left-handed picture in their bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Righty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have Otani and Kyle Tucker as two of the best hitters on that team like how ridiculous is that like that's like like some shit get fired for that right like it was so bad but I think for vertella will be interesting is to see I don't want to make it sound like baseball or a team is an experiment, but if you think about you know you you have a product or something you're like okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to do this, see what we learn from it, and then when we learn, we'll make the adjustment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of like what the early season for Vatelo might be as, you know, this is first year having to make decisions on personnel, having to figure out who he can trust, who he can't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I still see that he's keeps calling back to his college days of least to do it this way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, okay, dude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He used to that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot easier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a lot easier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's kind of what this is going to be as a little bit of a living experiment for him in real time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Faster than it's ever been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His brain's going to have to process and Andrew

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Johnson had had a comment saying, well, he's just won every word that he's been and it reminded me

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[SPEAKER_01]: of when Shaquille O'Neill said when he was a young player before he became the Shaquille O'Neill as we know it, he was like, yeah, I won everywhere except for college and the pros.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, not like those two places matter, I mean, I get it, I'm glad that Vatela was successful in college that hopefully boads well, but it really doesn't mean anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, to fans that he won in college is like, okay, we want to see it up here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that that that is kind of the deal with the roster now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's circle back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to the series against the Yankees.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now I know you were in in Disneyland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How much of the first game did you actually get to see you know I so are the way our Disneyland days go as we like to rope drop, you know, meaning you get there first thing in the morning you get to ride all the rides that you want lines or short user lightning passes do a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, relax and grab some food and go around and see what lines are low at the other places in the net back to the room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just happened to head back to the room around 5 p.m.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not plan that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I caught, you know, probably most of the game, but again, I was laying down and usually pretty exhausted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I fell asleep for a few innings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did see, you know, the ball get kicked around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw the horrible defense that day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, the defense kind of short-up the next couple of days.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I didn't see much of it in terms of like with the sound on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did see, you know, some ugliness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, a lot of times you get the yips, the jitters on opening day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: especially with a weird Wednesday afternoon, five o'clock start games, this time a year and in October, late September, early October, five PM games in San Francisco are not ideal for shadows.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're really not most places, but in San Francisco, especially because of the way the sun gliers in that area, you're at sea level and the sun just hits weird in that ballpark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I kind of expected that, and of course, we've come back Saturday night and we've got a four 15 stars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, starting out tonight's game in this series in San Diego is going to be a little bit better because they're going to have some normal lights.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to kind of see this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This team in a normal setting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, high skies brightness on the second game of the Yankees Giants series also.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a 1-45 start, usually it's a 12-45 start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I saw enough to say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is an ugly first game, but I didn't chalk it up to anything else other than it was a weird start and a weird time of the week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Netflix broadcast was very netflixy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's the right term, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very plasticy, like you know, I was I was having a conversation with somebody about this and they're not a

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[SPEAKER_01]: big baseball fan today, but you know, in their youth and stuff, you know, big time sports fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, you know, the thing about opening day that makes it special is like the pageantry, the romanticism about baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Netflix wanting to eventize opening night and trying to make game one, this giant event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it worked very well, but it's because what we baseball fans like about opening day is we're just really fired up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A that baseball is back and B, the idea that our teams have flipped the page on the calendar and started to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Netflix was trying to make it like the social media event or the celebrity event and like that necessarily does a game of the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so make the home run derby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think will be fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And an event for something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it'll work really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not so sure about that field of dreams game because again, it's a little bit about the romance to system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, maybe netflix gets the streaming rights to the movie and they somehow can, you know, do some things with the movie, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: The, you know, so I kind of threw that first game away, like, okay, this is not even really, it just, it didn't really feel like baseball though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did good to see Barry bonds and he got to chip chat and he told a story about how he thought he was going to be a Yankee and then George Steinburner put his foot down and gave him a deadline and Barry was like, Nope, if that and then the giant's called and so who knows if that was actually the real story, but it was great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a great TV moment for a game when a lot of people had turned it off by then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I kind of threw that one at the waist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, okay, let's let's get to the rest of these games and the second game here in Cruc and Cipe back together again made it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, even though even though he lost that game, it made it a lot better, Jeff Kent being in the booth and talking about his experience, you know, as much as I kind of still dislike his personality, it is great to see that he is really celebrating or he's like opening his arms to the idea of like he's a giant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's really cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the Sunday game or, no, yeah, was it the Saturday game?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Saturday game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was the Fox sports game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then it was, you know, is back to being like the national broadcast and not our hometown team will have a normal week coming up with the Padre's and the giants for these these next is it a is it a three gamer against the Padre's yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we've got three games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... tonight as we are recording on Monday night uh... we we have no idea what's happening let's just we will just hope for the best uh... we have choose day night and then we have wednesday day game and then they go from sandy ego

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[SPEAKER_01]: Daygame fly out to New York and they have to play when Thursday night New York against the Met's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't we're home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're actually hoping.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what that's a home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think goodness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was about to say that is it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be nasty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then, but the Met's for four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That'll be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Met's for four sounds a state night on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that hat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you

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[SPEAKER_01]: now that's crystals birthday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no, she would not like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, she would if we if we were able to plan it, but she, you know, she's gets home wet during the week is really hard for her to kind of do anything because of her job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But um, so yeah, Friday, nights, how's a state night?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Sunday is Valkyrie's day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get like a Valkyrie jersey or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Monday, Santa Clara night, so you Santa Clara, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... as a Santa Clara Broncos Broncos yeah you Broncos fans you get you get on Monday San Francisco State choose the against the fillies so that's a lot lots of colleges being celebrated here that's kind of a nice way to open the season three games at home your road trip is three in San Diego yeah it's down the west coast and then you've got seven games at home although you play the mats in the fillies

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's when the first swing starts when you go to Baltimore since an Addy Washington.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so yeah, but we do play the Dodgers actually in April that Yep, last year I don't think we played them until June.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of nuts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the podgers themselves, they struggled out of the gate to they faced school on opening day and they they lost 82 I know they're they're having

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[SPEAKER_01]: starting pitching issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Musk Grove is not back yet from Tommy John.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Poveta started game one and he's been having some arm fatigue issues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the giants don't have these excuses necessarily of like guys being hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just have like, you know, this chemistry thing and new coach and all that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to take advantage of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: San Diego's slow start and a play some really good baseball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You you mentioned them kick in the ball around a little bit and I was You're you know, you when you look at best team and spring training two years in a row, which means nothing as we know it means it means absolutely nothing How they can play so poorly in the field in the first game was a little kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, alerting, you know, alarming to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so I would let's see them clean that up and then the other thing is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these abies, man, like just rolling balls, like just hitting the balls exactly where the pitchers are pitching and wanting them to and double plays and just some of these at bats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just watch them and you're like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have no chance here, like I, you know, um, who was, who was the, the writing in game two, who just, like he had like so many strikeouts, um, what is, who's that right handers name?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Schlitz something was it will Warren, was it, well, well, Warren was, uh, the Saturday game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so that was a Saturday game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: um yeah the young the young kid on on uh sleep to yeah he was like

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then they had like holes in their bats getting their biomes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know that you want to see them fight a little bit better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Their biggies like Adamus and Devers are just swinging through so many pitches, like my goodness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At some point, just maybe open one eye and you'll hit one of these.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Adamus and they're actually game one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which I thought kind of set the tone for the entire game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giants actually had runners on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was a, maybe in like a first and third and he's up there and he's like swinging out of his shoes and he is like a one-two fastball kind of letters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he swings at this thing

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[SPEAKER_01]: like he was trying to hit it to the glove.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was just like, this whole idea of what Buster Posey's been preaching about putting a ball in play and not having these three true outcomes all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, and Adamus was like, nope, I wanna hit it to the glove.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, oh my gosh, just driving me nuts, game one, we're already setting this tone of like, these moments where have had you just tried to be a little bit more like a raise,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we score early in the game changes, but nope, that's he struggled out of the gate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's actually had some really, really poor appats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we know Devers probably a little bit more of a slow starter, but and I know he's hurt, but man, you know, when he comes up, he's got to be the one that strikes fear and the other team's heart and hasn't happened yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So crossing my fingers on this Padre series,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't even have to go in there and win all three games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just want to see them fight, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see them compete.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see them score runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to see them put some rallies together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to feel like, oh, Ryan Walker's warming up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does this mean we have a lead?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's going on here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of what I want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And hopefully we have a good series for the Giants this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's going to be a telling series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You always want to come off a terrible series like the Giants just did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, put up a fight, do something, show some heart, go out there and battle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First inning, with the Giants go out there in the first inning of the first game, again, by the time you listen to this first game, of the series is going to be over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if they go out there in the first inning and put up a run or two,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to relax a lot of Giants fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to relax a lot of social media giants fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think more than just, Marian, I think it's fast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, very unhappy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I want to see Tony Vitello.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vitello jumped out of the dugout when the Giants scored their one run on Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... to to greet uh... jungle lee as he came across home play uh... i thought that was pretty awesome he's i mean he's got a lot of emotion he hasn't had a chance to show it yet uh... and i don't mind it i love it i mean that's the thing we always tell the player show emotion well if you're the manager show emotion i don't care do it um... they got to buy into it though right like the players in the dugout you know for someone like chatman chatman might think of it like

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, we got 159 more of these things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got to save your energy, or maybe chat, and kind of goes, okay, I'm into this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we needed this kick in the pants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we need to get excited about this stuff because we were a little old and staggy here now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So hopefully that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially after like a tough east coast swing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you go on these coasts like they're coming up here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got nine games on the east coast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You go on to the east coast and after game three or four, you're tired, you're kind of beat up, you know, things are, you've been traveling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I tell this guy to energy, you kind of have to look at them and say, well if he's kind of energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I got to have it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's older than me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to have that energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's go on there and show us play for this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He want, I'd like to see him jump around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to make him jump around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I do something, it makes him jump around.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I don't mind it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I heard Trevor Ploof on his podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was talking about, he said, every time Tony Vitalis says something in the post game conference, press conference, I don't know what he's saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he said he needs a post game press conference coach because he said don't know what he's saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what's going on and you know he needs a coach to help him through his words.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wants to say the right thing for the fans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wants to say the right thing for his players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what does he look toward?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, he's just like, it's my fault.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I was too fired up for this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My speech was wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what he doesn't want to say is that the players played terribly, or they didn't, you know, you can't say in game one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Yankee showed up and we didn't show up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, you know, maybe if you're Earl Weaver in 1970, you could say that, but at the same time because he's got this microscope on him, because he likes to talk, that's what people are wondering, oh, what is he going to say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to say anything, you know, is it actually going to be anything meaningful?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if the judge's going to winning streak,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he'll be looser and he'll have more fun with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, you saw what Patrick Bailey said when they asked him and Patrick Bailey got pissed off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just like, you know, give it a break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, you know, the first three games, you know, cut us a slack or whatever he said, which is probably what Vatello wanted to say, but because he's got the microscope on him, he can't say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, in the thing too with all of that as well is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just, you got to let.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so football's different, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Sean McVay, being a Rams fan, Sean McVay, I listen to so many press conferences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So many after game press conferences.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, quite often, I didn't put my guys in the right position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I need to do a better job of putting my guys in the right position to make the plays, but they also need to execute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, it's okay to call yourself out and say, look, I screwed up the decision to not pinch it for junkily in this situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I should have pinched it for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's our guy and we expect him to come through with a hit and have a better up bat.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he expects that out of himself too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are ways to say that I just think he's

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate to say it, but I think, and I don't think he's in over his head, but I think he's still feeling it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, he doesn't know what the each player on this team will respond to yet, but he will get it eventually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He knows what, yeah, he knows what Drew Gilbert will respond to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: right because he, he managed him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he just has to put a raw stake in front of his face.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he'll need to, what does Chapman respond to?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, what does Elliot Ramos?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What does Logan Webb respond to?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's coaching right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's coaching in having that relationship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to get that is just not there yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's it's going to take well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said in our group Giants chat, you know, I want to see 50 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see 50 plus games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to see three games got it series over move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see 50 plus games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're still doing this after 50 plus games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There might be a problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't expect that to be an issue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, on the Giants Dodgers preview that I did with Draven, while you were gone last week, I said that I thought a Domus was a little bit of a litmus test for them, because a Domus has such a great personality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's always up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You never see him down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a fun out of him that I think you need to see more of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the way we're going to see more of it is if he plays well, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so right out of the gate, he played poorly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was almost like the, that was the kind of the team's character and the team's personality was, you know, I want to see if he plays well, I want to see that team take that personality, take his joy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he's one guy that I look towards to be that pulse, that heartbeat, and I think he's going to have to have a really good year for the giants if they're going to have a good year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'll say it now,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I veered from my usual 81 and 81 prediction finally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I said they were going to win 83 games and then they went out and lost the first three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now they got to like make it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I put them in a hole, but wait until you see what that over under is when our predictions come up near the end of the show here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's let's talk ABS first and then we'll save the predictions for last.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love ABS.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I got to see it in Reno quite a few times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Over the last couple of years, the Asus Ball Park, Reno's Arizona Diamond Backstrip Play team is here in Reno, their Reno Asus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have seen it in action for a few years, and I absolutely love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't wait for it to come to baseball when they announced it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, Elliot Romus really worked it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got himself from a strike out to lead off the ninth inning to a walk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If the giants were hitting better, that could have turned into something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It did not, but still.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see, and we talked about yesterday over our chat, I want to see how it's used.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see a little bit more of the situations like I've seen a lot of guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: almost want to go to their hat and not necessarily the giants, but I'm watching a lot of baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watch a lot of baseball during the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got four games on in the background right now in a four box.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just love the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I see, guys, you know, in a three-o count in the second

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[SPEAKER_00]: at a borderline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't think the give me strike.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have to be down the middle, but it's borderline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I see a guy, and it's called the strike, and I see a guy almost want to reach for his home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I got that this is not the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you lose this challenge on a three-o pitch, that's not going to go well with the manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be used, and especially if you save him to the ninth, I mean, in

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you get to the ninth heck, you might as well use them, especially if you're battling in your down by two runs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Use those challenges if you still have left.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I absolutely love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it takes too much time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like when we're watching a game here in arena, it doesn't take too much time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It happens pretty quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to dial it in a little bit faster each ballpark as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love that it's showing up on pires.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I see the bucketer had a rough day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Six or seven calls over turn the other day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's going to call out some of the on pires.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm okay with that because if it makes them better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and less challenges are used, or more challenges where they're wrong happen, you know, where the batter or the catcher or the pitcher are wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fine, that's good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's all good for the game and I really enjoy it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing that I worry about a little bit is you go to a game

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[SPEAKER_01]: are, you know, they're they're pitching Ryan Walker's on the mound, close game three, two count.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He throws a slider, right hand, a hit or takes it outside corner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That moment where the fans looked at the empire to see whether to just go into crazy hysterics or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The young part can make that call, but you kind of have to know if the other team still has challenges less before you can really celebrate, because if they don't, then you can celebrate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if they do, then you get a wait for the hat tap, and then you got to wait for three seconds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can, like, it's just not as organic at that moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I will see how that works itself out on TV, not as big of a deal, but on a home

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's where it'll, you know, that I think that's where I'm interested to see how that plays, but I'm all for getting calls more right than wrong for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we worried about that too with plays at the play to end the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when replay was introduced and we thought, oh, play it to play it, is it a win?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it a loss?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What just happened?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got away, now they got to review it in New York and this and that, that happens a handful of times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we've kind of got past that and it's like, okay, you know, that's part of the game now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think over time is just gonna be part of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're right, I mean, it's just another situation for us fans to be aware of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I like that because it kind of focuses me on the game a little bit more in the ninth inning a little bit more strategy like okay uh do they haven't they don't have any challenges left so Patrick Bailey can get a little more true back with the framing you know so so that could be fun um yeah it'll be interesting to see and and and again we're only

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[SPEAKER_00]: as the season goes on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's go to our last segment here, which is our over under predictions every year, Brad puts together five overunders, and we try and predict, and then we circle back at the end of the season to see how off we are.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've done fairly decent last year, but let's take a look here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I went with five, they're not necessarily like the greatest, and we've heard some of these before, but they're running themes with this, until we get out of 81 and 81, I think some of these might be the same each year, but I wanted to start with overall wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I set the overunder, well, I'm vicious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a number I was thinking of before the three game series against the Yankees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I set the overunder at 87.5, and I want to see what you think on the.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you just set 83, and then you had to revise after you saw the three game series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But remember this team could go on a run?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They still play the Rockies this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They still play the white socks this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They still play some bad teams this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So over under 87.5 wins at the end of year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they get to 87.5 wins, like that is an excellent season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that, that's better than

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[SPEAKER_01]: like what I would expect to be happy with this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna say under, because like I said, I'm more in the 83-84 range, but that makes me more optimistic than I've been the last couple of years where I'm like, they're 81 and 81.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, I think where my mentality is at is they're going to be in a position

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[SPEAKER_01]: to do something as buster showed last year before the all start break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They they're going to have some needs that they will need to fill and I think in order for those needs to be filled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to be playing good baseball like even if they're playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, within a few games of the wild card or, you know, say within five games of the wild card come the all start break, I'm not sure that's going to be enough for Buster to go, hey, we're going to get give out some of these projects.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's kind of what I'm getting at is they actually have prospects that people want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you need something, if the giants, all of a sudden are in the mix, and they are sitting, you know, second in the wild card race or whatever it is, Buster has proven that he's willing to take the shot, yeah, but he's also proven, which was after the trade deadline last year when they were not playing well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that he's not willing to take a shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's willing to actually trade off pieces to evolve Tyler Rogers and continue to build the farm system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So my instinct says, they're gonna be a wildcard team and they're going to be playing well enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: four buster to make another move and that's kind of where my my head is at but hey 80 if they get to 87 or 88 wins I think that would be like

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's like where they were right before the like 2009 timeframe, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's where they were facing the tell us like, oh my gosh, like this team, but actually be good coming up soon, because if they were to be able to do that, I think we would consider that a fantastic year based on what we've seen these last several years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll say under, but you know, it's not it's it's it's it's only three games or so under three wins under.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm going to put you at 83, just for fun, so we can look at back at the end of the year and say, okay, this is kind of what we said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also went under and I'm thinking closer to 85, 86 wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I want to put myself down for 85.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you said, too, I think Buster is going to go for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to win, listening to that great Johnson interview.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wants to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you believe that, if you take that out of it, the problem is

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[SPEAKER_00]: pop a Chuck Johnson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He likes money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know what that means.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know how old is that dude?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He isn't he kind of at the end of the room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's in his 80s.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Charles Johnson ends up taking over the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Things might be a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But who knows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Scott Skynell's in the chat says high of 88.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's a high end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be that would hit you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be an old high end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um and and I think we get to 85 and I think we get higher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we had gone deeper into the bullpen in free agency personally, I think that's what would happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we'd be closer to like 88 89, which brings us to the next one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Saves on this season over under set at 20.5 sales if you said 25 I was going under but at 20.5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All that really means is that he doesn't have to be displaced as the closer, right, because, you know, if you're a half decent closer, you're going to get upwards of 20 saves no matter what, but if he's replaced

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then that would change things, but no Randy Rodriguez, they would possibly have to trade for somebody or maybe, you know, Blake Tidwell or somebody comes up and is able to just get punchouts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will go or Santos, you've got Santos too, waiting on the wings, Santos, and then Pagaro, I saw, was thrown on the side today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say over, because I think that is a number that is very fair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess that that is like, that is a good one to kind of figure out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, like I said, if you would have said, you know, like 15, I think it's way over, but if it's 25, that one makes me think, yeah, that's why I said it at 20.5 because that's more of a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're cruising.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're doing a good job closing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got yourself through, you know, 20 saves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got yourself probably around July is at that point, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: July, August.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you remain the closer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I also went with over on that one as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like to put this one in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Team stolen bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want, we talk about this all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want the team to be more athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Buster Posi talks about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tony Vitello talks about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody talks about how this team needs to be more athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to me, part of being athletic is stealing bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Giants have been around in the 60s, high 60s, mid 60s for the last couple of seasons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went ambitious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I set the over under at 100.5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, let me follow up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's going to be stealing the bases?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I looked at this line up today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where these stolen bases are coming from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to come from better jumps, better reads, better analytics, better situations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be

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[SPEAKER_00]: everybody on the team, Luis Riz already has the stolen base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think want to leave it gets in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to have some stolen bases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ramos is going to have some opportunities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, we haven't seen it because we haven't had a lot of guys on base in the first three games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't had those situations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't had close games where it's like, you know, last year, Melvin was really, really reluctant the second half of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They came out of the gates, stealing bases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: after that he really backed off because they just could not get people on base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If this team gets people on base, I think they're going to run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just going to run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to want to put pressure on the defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to want to put pressure on the pitcher, the catcher, middle infield, get guys out of position, some hit and run, some different things happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I sent it 100.5.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A little ambitious, I went, you know, 30 plus more stolen bases.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to see it to believe it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm under on this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, unless you tell me that, you know, all of a sudden.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Grant McCray becomes the reincarnation of Ricky Henderson or something like like if Grant McCray all of a sudden starts playing in the ends of season with like 25 bags stolen Then that's something that could and he could that what he could that's the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I decided you know what let's go a hundred point five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's push this team a little bit They have one stolen base through three games, but again, they haven't had guys on base yet to be able to to show what they can do

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, for fun, because I want to see it, I want to will it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I went with the over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to get that one wrong, but I went with the over, because I want to will it into happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, our next guy, this guy was talked about a lot in spring, Bryce Eldridge, games played in San Francisco with San Francisco Giants, 110.5.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ooh, we're under on that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to go under, but I don't think it's going to be under by that much, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So actually, I think the more games he plays actually probably means that the offense is struggling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe if I'm rooting for him to be on this club, then that's probably not doesn't

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, how do you get Bryce in the game because in order for Bryce to play, that means a rise has to play second and he or devours has to de-H. And then, you know, what do you do against life-handed pitching?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He probably has to sit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's like the way that this

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not as if he is going to be the guy who's penciled in just to play every day and play for space and if they want that to happen, I'm not sure a rise can be on this team necessarily because I think a rise is going to be very valuable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: offensively and not valuable defensively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I mean, I know Ron Washington is trying to raise, you know, bring, bring him up and praise him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched a couple of games where I see him take these routes to get to the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had to take that route because he doesn't think he can get to it taking the short route.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I see it middle and fielders take the long route to the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's because.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to look like the balls pass them like so quickly and I'm seeing that with with him already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if he's if he's hitting and they don't trade him, he's either going to have to play first base or I think he's going to have to dh because I just do not see him playing second base 150 games this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just unless

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, unless I'm missing something, maybe there's going to be some stat tracking stuff where it's like, oh, yeah, his jumps are incredible and he's actually getting I just see a guy who looks really slow there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, so You know, it kind of makes me think that

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[SPEAKER_01]: If Bryce was to kind of get the full go ahead, it would have to be at the risk of somebody else, and that could be a rise, because you can't have Bryce, and a rise endeavors all on the field at the same time, or all on the lineup at the same time, unless a rise is playing second base, and I just don't know if that's gonna be the case for the full year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna say under,

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[SPEAKER_01]: 100 or so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll be probably closer to high 70s and some of that may come at the end of the season where maybe they're not as worried about like if he gets a long let's say he gets 300 at bats and in a triple air 250 at bats and triple a then maybe they're not worried about him necessarily having to play every day and he can come up and they spot start him and stuff

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and remember, too, they don't have any lefties off the bench.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so I can see him coming up, I mean, and again, one pinch hit is a game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So so so I went with the over on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at like one 15 probably because I think he's going to get some pitch in opportunities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he does come up early, I think we're going to see him probably in the next month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say about 30 games in the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I stuck it right around one 15 for myself, but so I think I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is probably likely to happen is Brennan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Brennan's going to be up because he's a, he's a young vet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't understand that role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't have to play him every day and he's left handed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it probably means and Karnasione something happens to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they're, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they're probably going to wait to make that move just to just to give in Karnasia on a couple of shots, but he hasn't been in the lineup yet, and this is already game four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he is not a guy who's going to come in and pinch it and be happy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he needs that bats, too, because he's got, you know, he's got so much power.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got to get into rhythm.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really understand and, you know, maybe it's just that they haven't faced any lefties yet, which is probably the thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, the way that this current, like if we knew we weren't facing lefties,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you probably don't need in Karnasione, but then you would have had to wave him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so they were kind of stuck roster wise there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I think you're going to see, you know, at some point, you're going to see Jungu Lee off the bench and we will be in situations where you're going to see some lefties off the bench because you've got to start right handed batters and different things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll start in Karnasione in right field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jungu Lee's going to be off the bench.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'll get mixed up a little bit, but yeah, it is kind of an unsettling roster make up at the moment but that could change easily throughout the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the last one for fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is fun because everybody always bashes on a rise in his defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I went, I went to FRV, if you are, if you are familiar with baseball survive, you are familiar with fielding run values, something that Patrick Bailey leads the entire league in every season that he's been up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In 2023, Luis Horizon played 100, and I think it was 134 games of second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the most games he's ever played in second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 1124 units.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had an FRV of minus eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That means he was good for giving up eight runs throughout the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's, is it really an exact science?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but, but they do

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[SPEAKER_00]: score you on range arm and turning of double plays on the infield when you're a second basement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His range was minus eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was his whole minus eight right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't make up for it and getting out extra, you know, saving runs with his arm or his double play ability.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This season, he was signed to play with the giants at second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think

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[SPEAKER_00]: is final FRV at second base for the season will be over or under minus 5.5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So under minus 5.5 means closer to zero, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be minus 5 or greater minus 4 minus 3.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, can I give you his FRV sense 2019?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, this is only a second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What he's going to be scored at it's second base this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a bunch of minus nine's of minus three minus four minus three minus ten.

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[SPEAKER_01]: minus nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then last year he was at minus five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was actually like a really good year for him compared to none of this with Ron Washington.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just throw that out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just throwing it out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And through three games, do you know where he's at through three games in second base?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Zero, I think, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even zero in against zero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he will be better than minus five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think he will probably be between minus five and zero, whether that's minus three, which I think has been as best to your so far, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll be between minus five and zero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't mean that I think he's going to be good there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, absolutely not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think he will be better than last year and the year before,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the the problem though is when your best picture gets ground balls it's tough to have a middle in front now you have a great third baseman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your short stop is, I'm concerned.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't tell if a Domus is a good short stop or not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he'll make a good play and then he'll make a bonehead play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, what are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the Domus and Arise, like combination, I think they have a lot to live up to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a lot of work to do together.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ron Washington should not only be

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, focusing on a rise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He needs to get a domis back to a level that that he was before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's even working with Chapman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's he's working all of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not worried about Chapman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That dude is just an ace.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And look, if Devers gets back on the field, because I know he's hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Devers could actually be pretty good at first base.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to be gold glove.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's not going to be brand and belt, but I think he'll be a value at first base, just because he's an infielder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's had to make plays on the other side before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think he'll be able to make plays at first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, like I am, I am really worried about that in field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thankfully, they've, uh, just adding Harrison Bader and moving junkhood, right, should improve that defensively outfill a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it, it, it, it helps having Bailey back there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you like it's so crazy because they have like an elite catcher in elite third baseman and a damn good center fielder and yet I'm not sure it adds up to great defense quite yet just because of the other

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll take the over on that arise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, of starting short stops last year and all of the league, William Domus was seventh with a plus four FRP just you know, um, yeah, and and do you know in in 2023.

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[SPEAKER_00]: when Louisa Rise was minus eight at second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know who led the league at second base in FRB?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tyro Estrada for this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No way, plus 16 runs saved.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, didn't play, didn't play a ton there because he was injured the second half of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we talked about it too back in the day when when we were doing the podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We said, if he would have kept on and if he would have not gotten injured because I think he wasn't all star and he was close to being on all star, if he had continued on, it was probably a gold glove season for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but because he got injured and missed quite a bit of the second half of the season, but again, missing quite a bit of the second half of the season, he's still ended up leading all second baseman with a plus 16 F RV.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So is he in but it's in the lead right now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe he was in Colorado last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see if he's still there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Looks like he might still be there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nope, he is still a free agent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he is, he is out there if the Giants need his second piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I also went with under on that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking he's going to be definitely improved and I think improved enough by by four plus runs with Ron Washington being there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, this is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is considering he plays 1100 innings at second base, 1100 more innings at second base again 1100 innings at second base was good for 134 games is he going to play 130 plus games that's not a caveat in this he could get moved to first base tomorrow and up with a zero at second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you and I both win because we picked that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, good luck to the giants this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As they have the rowdy against San Diego and then they have the mets and the fillies in their next two series at home.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just do not want to see the same team that I saw this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anything better than this weekend, I think, is a positive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, runs early, you're on the road.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Put up runs early in Oracle South at San Diego, a pet copark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Put up some runs early, get those giant fans into the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vital is going to get his first shot at scene what

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[SPEAKER_00]: Giants fans and Southern California look like because Giants fans take over petcos sometimes so it'll be interesting to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For Brad, I'm WGCU and we see you piece out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace.