SF Giants Offseason Check: Free Agents, Maddon's Rant & Vitello's Staff | Thompson 2 Clark

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[SPEAKER_02]: with Drosion, throws to Sandberg and the pitches proud of the second base.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Thompson has it, throws the first.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's over 27 years away and he got hooked on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then you're going to have someone to put it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to Thompson to Clark.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to have a pretty packed show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't have a show last week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My giant Dodgers show didn't actually happen either, but we're going to push that giant Dodgers show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But to sometime early December, I believe my buddy, Draven is still just in heaven with the Dodgers running back in Egypt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Nobody wants to hear that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we will, uh, so, you know, we'll, we'll talk a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll catch up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll kind of look ahead a little bit and also, uh, because of, we're not coming back next week because of the holiday, which, uh, I don't know if, uh, I don't know if a lot of people are like, yeah, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I need to listen to a baseball podcast on Tuesday morning on the when I'm on holiday week, but it's it's not because of that's because we got stuff going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm actually going to be out of town heading to Tucson to visit my parents.

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[SPEAKER_02]: road trip in it because we're bringing the dog so it's going to be a long drive on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I just realized this, which is the Niners play the Panthers Monday night and I was talking to Rod last yesterday after the Niners game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, oh yeah, we'll do a show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I was like, oh wait, I'm going to be driving probably through a lot of the beginning of the game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we're probably gonna have to change that up with Rod next week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I will still bring a mic, so if the Wi-Fi is okay, maybe Rod and I can do something after the fact, but no other shows will happen next week, just for the holiday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just ahead.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to have a mic for when we signed Tucker though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, hey, if we need some emergency radio, I will have my microphone ready.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there you go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We are going to talk about three agents this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Brad Brad's on that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we're also going to talk about some of the stuff that has happened since we last recorded such as, oh, by the way, did you know Mason Black is no longer on the giants?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, other stuff like coaches and uh, I just learned this today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Have your Lopez took a job in baseball operations, which he doesn't even quite know what it involves.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of an early thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, uh, you know, it's good to be a friend of a, of buster, though, from what I understand, like he's really, really sharp when it comes to this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so this isn't a Trump thing where it's just a,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If your buddy's a job, so they can get a paycheck, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, Buster's best friend is not with the organization anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw how he Lopez and Vegas last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just heading up the escalator with my wife.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We were in the cosmic politics and looking for speak easy, so I don't know if you've ever gone speak easy hunting in Vegas, but it's a blast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It really is fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's probably a good like seven or eight of them on the strip and there's like three of them in the Cosmo alone, which was kind of fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we were on a mission and then I knew that

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[SPEAKER_00]: the GM meetings were happening in Vegas, but I didn't know that they were at the Cosmo until I walked in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I started seeing Major League Baseball tags, and I was like, oh my goodness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, that's not the escalator, and so I have a hobby Lopez walking by with a group of three or four other guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a big dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm fighting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's not a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people are big dudes to me, but he was a big dude and still is very tall guy and very intimidating looking, but we know his personality from the broadcast and from him being, you know, Giants Pitcher for so many years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Also knew that he was a teddy bear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of figured if I went up to him and saw him and said hi, and, you know, can I get a quick picture?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have been all for it, but I was already halfway up the escalator.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you did get some other photos though that I saw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so before that, we were on the ground floor and we're walking by and I saw somebody taking a picture with a look like a ball player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't quite see him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was kind of blocking all of the sudden, I go, oh my god, that's Sergio Roma.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just if it, easy to spot in a crowd and he was walking and he had a caddy with him because it was also majorly baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of kind of pro am turn it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, it's a health tournament.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, so there's lots of cool pictures from that from this week and they put rivals together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, it was, it was giant players against.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so Russ Ortiz and Sergio Romo were on a team against two Dodger players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, they paired a couple of Red Sox players with a couple of Yankees players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, we're the Dodgers players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, because Romo and Russ Ortiz is like a bridging of like two different generations of giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I've got to go back and look, but Justin, I also passed Justin Turner on the ground floor at the Cosmo, didn't want to stop him, because Dodger, but he was paired up in the Yankees Red Sox.

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[SPEAKER_00]: division because he, they're Red Sox.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, I can't remember, I got to go back and look at the picture and see who the Dodger players were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think, gosh, I can't remember.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Might have been Euclis was the other Red Sox player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, but Sergio Romo was the nicest.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Denise was going away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My wife was blown away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She just said, I couldn't believe.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She kept talking about, couldn't believe how nice and sweet he was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, we were the celebrities.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He saw us and he goes, and I said, hey, can I take a quick picture with you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, so I told him that I used to play by play for the San Jose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Giants back and then he goes, oh, man, you just missed me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm there right afterwards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, yeah, I called, you know, Vogelsong's first game in San Jose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, that was a pleasure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he just kind of moved along, but it was so cool to meet him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we're about to find the speak easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It took us forever to find the second speak easy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and we had to look for a door with a ski, like a kind of a skier, little emblem of a skier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a paneled wood door that just looked like it was a wall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is like a quest, like, it's like, yeah, it's not like an, oh, I'm gonna put it on my map to go here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you actually have to search for this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can find it on the map.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you can't visually see it when you're walking by.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You really, I think it's on the map here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not 100% sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a restaurant, do we have to, so some of them you actually had to walk through the restaurant, turn left and go through the janitor door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there would be a janitor door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You open the janitor door and walk in and there's a guy standing there and then there's a door behind him and then you have to knock on the door and give and sometimes some of them would give you an Instagram password.

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[SPEAKER_00]: day and it's only good for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, wow.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you got something wrong, they would not let you in.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so we did find this piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But as we were walking to the one, I passed by this hooking gentleman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I go, that's got to be and his head was down and he looked up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I go, oh my god, it's legend, Gary Sheffield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen that big of a ball player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in not not not only just in in law and stature, but also in size.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, very shifield is a big dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I walk we walk by and I turn and look to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he kept walking away and I kind of set out loud to my wife.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, holy crap, is that Gary Sheffield?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he heard me and he turned around and gave me a smile and I go, oh my god, so I walked over that quick picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he had a cigar.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's when I knew it was Gary Sheffield when I saw the cigar too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got as Gary Sheffield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was nice as to, too, stop to quick picture, moved on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, you should be in the Hall of Fame.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, maybe not, and maybe he was one of the guys on the dirty Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He could have been, I got to go back and Roma posts some pictures, but they were on his Instagram stories, so I think they're gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think I can find some pictures, you know, somewhere on a website because it was kind of a big deal, but it was a really fun, you know, kind of a fun day to run into all those guys and then no buster site.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's no buster site and I

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the same room that we were at because I would probably have been an hour before we got there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then when I went back and watched Pavlovitch's interview with Buster, I was like, that's the same room because we saw a concert there last October.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was right in front of at the Cosmopolitan, there's a Chelsea theater and it was right in the front of the Chelsea theater, this lobby area where he did the interview and that's where we went looking to see if we could see any players, reporters or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did see Ken Rosenthal didn't talk to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was talking to two or three other guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't want to bug him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And probably, a couple of other guys are recognized kind of briefly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I go, you know, I know who that is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, without uniforms and hats,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're throwing a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But no, all together, it was just kind of a fun trip to walk around and see those guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you look at my blue sky account, I did post a picture with Roma.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did post a picture with Gary Sheffield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's at Evans 5150.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You find that on blue sky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so when you are with your wife and you guys are hanging out and all of a sudden you go, oh my god, is that Gary Sheffield that she go,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're such a fanboy or she like in it like she's always that's cool you could see she's she was in it for me okay he was like because when we when we went in and sat down in the speak easy

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're looking at the drink menu.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to order a drink and she goes, she looked at me smile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes, you're flustered, aren't you?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I go, yeah, I just ran into Gary Sheffield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They said, this guy's 500 home runs in the major leagues.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, this is like, one of the biggest stars in baseball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've ever come across other than, you know, I've run into Will Clark before at games, games I ran into Willy McGee at a Reno Ace's game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was in the crowd.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got Bob Feller's autograph at,

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[SPEAKER_00]: San Jose Municipal Stadium when I was doing play by play for the San Jose Giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was air signing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually got his autograph.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the first, you know, baseball player of walk by and like street clothes and gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, that's a gigantic made really based player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she actually goes, you're kind of flustered.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes, I said, yeah, sorry about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I know we're trying to be in the moment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're enjoying hanging out on this vacation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She goes, no, I love her for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is fantastic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And she was, she was really into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She loved meeting Roma.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, she knows Roma.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she knows all the world series teams and it was a big deal in the house when I was happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So who would that even for her?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Who would that vote?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if she saw someone on the street, who would that be for her?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Rachel Ray.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She likes her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any of the people from the office?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't see Oscar at Disneyland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From the office, we ran into him at Disneyland.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't say hi to him, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, we do have that on our list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're finishing up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We started watching the office with the youngest kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's 17 now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I say youngest, but we started watching the office with her.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably around the beginning of summer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're about five episodes left in the entire series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: OK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When that's over, we're going to move on to, and we're also watching St. Dennis, which is kind of, you know, the same creators, then we're going to move on to the paper and then we're going to start new girl with the seven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's such a fantastic show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't watched that a lot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The paper is short.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's only like 12 episodes or 11 or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, usually in like St. Dennis, I highly recommend that's also on peacock and NBC, but that's another good one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a documentary style.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell Chris about that one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, David Allen Greer is the main doctor in it that old grumpy doctor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it which is funny to think that David Allen Greer plays an old grumpy doctor now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So all right, enough about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's baseball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So just wanted to mention some of the news that has been going on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and so we we've got a comment here saying that buster needs to stop the penny pinching I'm tired of hearing we are shopping the margins they should trade for a boobitcher uh Cabrera i saw is it boobitcher boobitch it's boobitch okay he i saw that uh there was an article in the athletic from uh i think a royal's beat writer that he was going to be available for trade did see that yeah um so George you will be happy to hear that we are about to go over free

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[SPEAKER_02]: We have to reference the Buster comments and the Greg Johnson comments about, you know, maybe it may be they may not go big game hunting and that may say, well, we did it already with the Devers trade because we're on the hook for a lot of money or that may say, you know, we don't really like a lot of these guys and we're saving our money for the next wave.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll get into that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think we mentioned that Dusty Baker was gonna be an advisor and that we thought Bochi would do so as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Bochi is also on board with becoming an advisor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, my question, and you know, we've been very Tony Vatello heavy in our last two episodes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So of course, he's the big story because he's the new manager.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But we'll lay off a little bit, but I do have a question related

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[SPEAKER_02]: How much do you think Bochi and Baker could possibly help a first time manager?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what would you expect them to help with?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what does Tony have questions about?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's kind of interesting just think about all that knowledge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, he's got like Wikipedia, like right in the next room whenever he needs it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what is he actually going to be pinging them about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been thinking about that on the last couple of days too because it's not, it's not going to be in-game stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not going to be real time, you know, hey, I got a runner here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to this picture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What should I do?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to go on baseball instincts with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, that being said, I think Buster Pozoon and Zach Minassoon did say recently

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are going to go over that type of stuff in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought something interesting from the article I read today was that they didn't give him, they said, with some managers in the past and interviews, we've given game situations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We put game situations up on a TV and said, what, okay, this situation, what you would you do because they want to kind of see are they on the same page, they said they didn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: and spring training, they were going to kind of get on the same page with some of the decision making and whatnot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder if that's where you're going to get Baker and Bochi a little bit more in the in the game the game situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hitter to hitter situation in the major leagues, are they going to go over I mean they're they're going to go over the big names like show hey and show hey situation what do you do and you know when he comes to the plate and

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[SPEAKER_00]: And how are we going to pitch to him pretty much every time he comes to the plate?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are we going to bonds him and walk him with the bases loaded?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not going to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're going to go for some situations.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would imagine in the off season and spring training, that's going to be the extent of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably going to hit them up during this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's going to be little things here and there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But she's not going to be traveling anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Baker's not going to be traveling anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be a little text here and there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some phone calls here and there during the regular season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that they can help them out with, you know, how to pitch certain guys in certain situations ball parks too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if I tell is not at all familiar with Dodger Stadium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: is not familiar with Peco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not unfamiliar with Oracle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So a lot of things are going to have to come into play like, okay, where do we shade guys?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, when the wind is blowing in at Oracle, how are we playing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the baker and both of you that perfect guys because each of those guys, you know, managed 81 games a year in that ballpark for so many years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know what I thought.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Remember they used to do those really funny

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know commercials before the season would start you know because they had these fun personalities that the Brandon and Brandon commercial or you know you have at least funny guys and I was thinking like you know you got your coaches kind of your biggest personality now your managers like the biggest personality and your GM is the biggest star your your baseball ops guy the president of baseball is the biggest star in the whole organization so you have these two

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[SPEAKER_02]: you have now Baker and Bochi and like I would do this commercial where, you know, sort of similar to what you said, like, you know, Buster's got the clicker and he him and him and Vitello or, you know, going through some stuff and Buster's like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, what do we do here, you know, run around first, whatever, and then Vatela gives his answer, and then Posi goes, all right, and he looks and someone comes through the door and it's like Bochi.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he's like, is he right or is he wrong?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Bochi just goes thumbs down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when they got their one, they have Dusty Baker come out and he's like thumbs down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I would love to see them like, those used to be fun commercials.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he got to play into it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this is something that, you know, something

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[SPEAKER_02]: really bringing the community back to the team, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because the giant, yeah, when you win three world series in five years, you kind of become a little corporate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's a little bit of like success.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so how do you kind of bring it back?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to see them do fun stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you may have the perfect manager to do that stuff with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the idea and you and I would get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But could you imagine the ops on that with,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the day and age of social media, that would get absolutely destroyed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The conspiracy theories during the games would be, hey, that was a great pitching decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did Bochi make that call to the bullpen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it would not go over well with the internet era, but you and I would, we'd get a kick out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'd laugh because we'd know

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, we would get what's behind it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't think like 70% of the fan base would be okay with it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, the thing about it is I guess some of the things that he's never done before he's never.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's never run spring training for a team before, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, there may be some interest in, like, how do I, you know, what's your advice in getting everybody together and breaking up the practices and, you know, leaning on the veterans and this and that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I could see them being available for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, if you're gonna ask Bochi,

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[SPEAKER_02]: about some hunches, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: He, you asked him about the bullpen, like, you know, what, what, what did you think when this happened in this game, like what led you to that and you could learn some stuff there?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, for, for Dusty, you know, Devours is a big personality and Dusty managed, maybe the biggest personality in the history of baseball and Barry Bonds, how did you deal with

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, somebody like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I could see stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They'll be pretty interesting to discuss with those guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But like I said, you got you got Wikipedia, like right there at your leisure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I hope that that they do have some good discussions with him and then that, you know, he can he can tap in whenever winner and you're right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want.

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[SPEAKER_02]: To get to a point where I've said, you know, the athletic reports that Tony Vitalo does not want to ask Bruce Boachy for advice anymore, because the fans don't think he's as good of a manager.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like stuff like that, you don't want to see that happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So some of the other things that are going on, we had Joe Madden critiquing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Vitalo hiring, he called it insulting, no, poor guy, insulting to those who paid their dues in the minors.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he said, I'm using the word insulting only from the perspective that it appears as though you don't have to have any kind of experience on a professional level to do this job anymore.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that, you know, I kind of expected it, and if I would have thought about it, I couldn't even predict that it would be Joe Madden to make this comment, but because Vitalos skipped through a lot of the process, you know, as these managers get aged out because a baseball manager can be around for a very long time,

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[SPEAKER_02]: But remember when we were talking about Bochi and Buster was like, I would love to have Bochi back, but he would not be in the lead manager role and it was explained that you want a guy who's there for the long run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You don't want to have to worry about somebody who may retire after every season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So in that instance, like Joe Madden, it's very successful.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, has, I don't remember the last time I really heard that he was up for a job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, he probably feels that he's been pushed out or aged out a little bit himself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and, and I'm sure that's what a little bit of it was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I liked if I tell his, uh, response was basically like, well, it's unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He feels that way because he was going to be one of the guys that called the lean on and asked some questions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so it's kind of a little bit of a, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: a little bit of an eagle blast, I think, for Madden, maybe to hear that back to say, hey, hey, this guy was going to call you and you're sitting there bashing on him and you could have been like the elder spokesman and helped out the younger crop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But instead, you're going to be the grumpy old man that says, you know, like, I didn't get a job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So now I'm mad about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The younger guys who don't pay their dues are getting their jobs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Busters find with it, Buster made the call and Buster's been around the game and done some great things in the game and as a champion, a three time champion, so I don't know, I'm going to go with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go with what Buster and Bochi and Baker all think, you know, they all have got quite a few rings together, so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I just thought it was a little bit of a.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, Simpson's meme of old man yells at the clouds just you know what you know it's interesting about it though is if you're can be or because he came on can be or and you are asking Joe Madden this question

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[SPEAKER_02]: He gave you the answer that you were hoping to get from the absolute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because, yeah, if you were to say, I thought this was a great higher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not talking about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They got so many extra plays on that, if they threw that thing on YouTube or whatever, just because, like, I think it became a national story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was just a little story.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that was it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw the headlines everywhere and I was like, is there something new on this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not Samuel's story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, maybe something new.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about some of the staff here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we know no Bob Melvin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No Ryan Christiansen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He went to the A's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maddie Williams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We did not expect Maddie Williams to be back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Mark.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You had a rough and just I want to say goodbye to him at a good way because I love Matt Williams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We gave him a little bit of guff during the season for some of his calls and places.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's tank eyed us during.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did, but I got to give it to him because he was trying to make some things happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This offense was a little rough this season So wish Maddie well, and I hope you know and I hope he does well out there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's all like yeah me too I'm sure if Melvin gets another shot.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's his guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Maddie will be with him

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[SPEAKER_02]: for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Mark Hallberg went to the Minnesota Twins to be their bench coach.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was some talk possibly that he, you know, he could inherit the third base coach role.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he checked out and it was, you know, we talked about Buster and his friends.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the friend that we thought was going to kind of

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, maybe get to take advantage of being busters buddy, but he bailed out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was interesting.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then JP Martinez went to the Atlanta Braves to be their bullpin coach.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that one, I wonder if that one is kind of the one that hurts because never heard a bad thing about that guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, and I think you did a good job with what he had last year, pitching staff wise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just had, you know, you had two aces in Robbie Ray and Logan Webb and then you had Verlander old guy coming off of injury and then you had a bunch of young kids who you didn't know what you had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he held the staff together as long as he possibly could, you know, and it just kind of broke down in late August and September.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I thought he did really well with the pieces he had, and I would have loved to have seen what he could have done going forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be interesting to see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Vogel songs name out there as a rumor as the new giants pitching coach which would be interesting because then there's another guy who hasn't worked in the bigs or you know coaching in the bigs or anything like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I hope that doesn't piss off Joe Man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, and he's pinching coaches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was going to put him over the edge, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then so who have they brought in so far?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Hunter, Mint's not Hunter Pents.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hunter Pents is the new hitting coach.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He played under Vytelo at Missouri, and he was the assistant hitting coach with the Toronto Blue Jays.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you pluck a guy off of the world series runner up who, and, you know, they just hit bombs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a, that's a nice one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And also Quinton Everhardt as the director of sports performance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, also comes from the Vatelo staff, uh, was the director of baseball sports performance at Tennessee, and then the reported one, though, is this a fish?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I haven't seen the tingler one as official yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I haven't seen anything official on that either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, I mean, I, I have seen something where they basically signed them, but I haven't

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, yeah, so Jason, I think it was heavily rumored to join the team because of also his ties as a former teammate of I tellos, and he's a former manager in the in the bigs, and also was on the bench with the twins.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that is that that one just sounded like it was like yeah, that that one made a lot of sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... he was traded to the royals in exchange for right-hander Logan martin uh... so hopefully it's good luck to be named Logan in the giant organization and via pitcher uh... so black was defaid and then uh... i guess he was going to be claimed and they just decided to

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[SPEAKER_02]: unfortunate because he was one of those, you know, when we first started this podcast and we were talking about, you know, guys coming up through the system and black with somebody that we had always talked about like, oh, you know, if you get to together, he could be on this staff and it just never worked out for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he had a very poor year last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So unfortunate for him, but hey, you know, he's still young dude and he can fix himself or do whatever he needs to do to make it in Kansas City.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Logan Martin 24 former 12th round pick pitched well at high a last year, but at 24, you're kind of old at that level.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and he's rule five eligible next year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the giants have a little bit of time to kind of take a look.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, so that was the move for Mason Black.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, you know, it was funny too with pitching because you see at a type of stuff and we're just talking about Vogelsong earlier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you see what happens to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He leaves the giants comes back and ends up being a big deal for the giants and then, you know, didn't do so well on Pittsburgh comes back to us and then just kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: blows up and becomes that guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So these guys find something sometimes later in their careers, but with the giant situation, they need guys, you know, they need guys in AAA and on the roster, they can count on to come up and give them like two, three, four starts if they need to over the span of a month.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just roster turnover.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have a whole lot of that this season with Buster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got used to having that like every five minutes with Farhan, so anytime we get roster turnover right now, we're like, whoa, what's going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're making a move.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Also from George here said that just the stale of Santos of the Mercury News reported that catching coach Alex Berg is returning in the same capacity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's cool because, you know, one of the things about these regimes and of course, if I tell, is putting his team together, but then what about the old dream?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What about the guys who are with, you know, the team before and then what do you do with those guys?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of cool and I think, um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: who was saying it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I forget, you know, we've listened to so many interviews and so many podcasts about the stuff, but they were saying how when the manager gets fired, you're trying to help some of the folks on the staff who may not be back like land in other places as part of the whole deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's good to see that they saw, they saw Berg as someone who they wanted to bring back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's really cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so let's look at these these free agents and and I don't even want I don't even want to predict who the giants might I who they could bring here's what I want to predict and this is the question that you have to answer as I bring up these names will the giants actually make.

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[SPEAKER_02]: a serious offer to this person.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is the way I want us to think of this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to have so many conversations about free agency over the off season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this is kind of the beginning of it, but I, you know, there's, I did the top 50 list.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not going to go through all 50, but these are folks who are on the top 50 list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm Buster Posey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I want to invest in this guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do I want to?

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[SPEAKER_00]: do I want to put a number out there for them?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And those numbers are legitimate, like for an in the top free agent right now, Kyle Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you say, yes, the giants will make an offer, you're talking no less than 10 years, 400 million.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is the offer that even like, you may get a text back with that offer, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's probably gonna be more.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So would the giants be willing to offer whatever the going rate is for this guy to get in the mix?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they did, with show hey, they were dollar for dollar with the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Show hey, just pick the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: they were dollar for dollar with the Yankees.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Aaron Judge just picked the Yankees.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are they willing to be in those conversation?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's start with Cal Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cal Tucker 28 years old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 10 years, what do you say?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 10 years 400 is what we're looking at?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, even more more than likely, but like that probably gets you a text back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm doing it because I think he's, is he number one on all the lists I want to imagine?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the giants have a tendency to go after the number one on the list.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they got devours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, they signed a Domus last season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the giants have been looking for that absolute marquee outfielder for years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: basically since bonds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is your chance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you tried with Harper and then, you know, Harper's a first baseman, but you at least tried for a guy who was young.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, we weren't in on one photo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think with Kyle Tucker, you've got to put that out there just because he is that outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's a 30 home run a season guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was hurt second half of the season last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that brought his numbers down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's going to play into what the money is offered to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I'm if I'm Buster and Zack, then then I'm saying,

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[SPEAKER_00]: adding Kyle Tucker to, to, to Ramos Devers, Chapman and Adamus gives us a pretty formidable lineup and, and fills an outfield spot that is desperately needed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going yes on that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you think that Buster Posey and Zach Minesian,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you think that they're going to be in the mix.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I also hope to with Juan Soda and not even do anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We were talking about Juan Soda like two years for years every year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but Juan Soda was also what, 24.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think last season when he was a free agent, we're talking about a 28 year old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's a little bit different.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the financial, because what was his deal?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he was a bit of been like 26 last year at this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think when we started talking about him, when he was 24, when he was getting traded to the podries, and whatnot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I and his deal was 700 million, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why I think, yes, they're going to be an on Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Tucker solves your right field issue, plays right field.

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[SPEAKER_02]: As he gets older, you probably move him to left field, which he's a solid outfielder.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Want a gold glove a few years ago?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Giants, uh, the outfield and in oracles a little bit tougher to play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he'll have to learn how to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He probably can do that for a few years before having to move over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then you're just hoping that the bat can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because you move, you move to Oracle, your left handed hitter, you're not going to be putting it in in the seats as often as you would that maybe something in his mind is like like it was with Bryce Harper and all these other guys like is this so it can I put up numbers in this part that is something he'll be thinking about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the giants, you know, in order to get him, they will probably have to go higher than just put everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's neither here nor there because you just asked if I was going to extend an offer, and that's what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever he decides is on him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to put the money out there, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, Vlottie was 500 and Soto was 765.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 765.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I knew it was closer to eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think within incentives, I think it's over eight.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So 400 sounds like an iron bargain to be who know it maybe it goes maybe you have to add a couple more years maybe it's closer to 500 that's just, you know, probably the starting point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, somebody who seem like he would be amazing to hit home runs, but he also they also have many players who play his position Kyle Schwarber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think there's room for him on this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got enough dh's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially if if Aldridge becomes that dude, then Devoursos are dh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Devours is going to play a little bit of first base, still even with Aldridge.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He might play a lot of first base depending on how they feel with Bryce there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Bryce might end up being the dh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've got, and again, he becomes that dude, and you don't want to roadblock him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So no, I'm not giving any money to Schwarber.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Peter Lanzo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: same thing now, not with the, just not enough room.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the most interesting guy to me on this entire list, not named Kyle Tucker, left-handed pitcher, Houston Astros, 32 years old, Framber Valdez.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, because every year I look at ground ball percentages in him and Logan Weber 1 and 2.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: sort of pair him with Logan Webb as a ground ball pitcher at AT&T and then you go on the road as a ground ball pitcher and a lot of these band, you know, bandbox ball parks like Cincinnati and some of the ball parks that play small around the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm probably my number one pitcher on the list I think would be forever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to have those two guys together.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they are going to be in on him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they are going to be one of the top two or three teams on him, 100%.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Tucker thing is so hard because if

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[SPEAKER_02]: the Dodgers are interested, they can just, you know, they can blow away whatever, just by being the Dodgers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, but this, it's almost like the way that he pitches is kind of perfect for the Giants.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, do you want to, you know, do you want to go, uh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: what would it be like, you know, six years or whatever and pay this student to least like 40 years old or 39 years old, like that's the hard part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you have to you have to nowadays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You almost can't get away from it if you want to land somebody because remember we used to talk about that when we were going after Bryce Harper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we kept talking about it, you know, if he signed him to that deal, he's going to be 42 years old, wouldn't he?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe the giants can trade for Bryce now because he sounds like happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the thing though, but you're getting him and look what the fillies have gotten from Bryce Harper.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In that time, it's been worth it and you're just going to kind of watch them fade away a little bit, but that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it gives you a chance to go to the playoffs every year, that's all you can ask for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm fine with the later years being a problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Next on the list is someone who would be a nice to have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see the fit necessarily, but Boba Shet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boba Shed if he's willing to play second base and you can move casey Schmidt, Boba Shed, second base full time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm doing a huge upgrade over Schmidt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the deal is going to be like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I'm looking at this from the standpoint that I didn't offer any of these other people anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you don't get Tucker would

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[SPEAKER_02]: would you go after Boba shit and you're saying yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would because I don't know, I mean, other choices out there are labor tourists.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to use cheaper.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be much cheaper than Tucker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's probably not going to have to go for as many years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's younger.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He did get hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: His defense is the same as case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He shimends his second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It, you know, that's why I'm thinking Boba shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would absolutely go in that direction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alex Breggman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, yes, we were kind of in on the idea for like a short contract, because he had mentioned, and I think his agent threw it out there that he was willing to play second base.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that was pushing towards the Giants.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, was that, you know, just deployed like we have more suitors because we needed to open up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, people were looking for third baseman.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think last year, yes, I would still like him to play second base, but I think I'd be, I think I'd be fine with Casey Schmidt at second base over what you'd have to pay Breggman, so I'd say no on that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm with you, you know, the idea was breakman short deal and that's where we looked at it because he wasn't signed and you're like, oh my gosh, he's not signed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He may have to do these two and one or opt out things and he opted out of the deal with the red socks.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he is probably looking this off season for the long term deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ranger Suarez.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, let me look up his numbers because I don't know a ton about his

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[SPEAKER_00]: his history.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he is, I think last year he had a 3.21 ERA 165 strikeouts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to be probably less years and less money than than frambler.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So maybe he's a plan B.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But he's probably going to be somebody's plan A.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what you're working with when it comes for agency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's a what is he a 29 to 22 to 29 start pitcher a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I would extend a lot of money towards him but to be a number to be a number four guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, number four number five.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He'd probably, you know, on this team that with the amount of money that they would have to pay me probably have to be a number three and that's yeah, that's why I wouldn't do a number three, but I do number four number five money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Dylan sees.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Dylan sees I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a tough one, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He seems like a dodgery kind of guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's a little tainted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had some taint coming from the pod rays to us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, because is that going to be a one-year deal on the ends of what the Dodgers and,

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[SPEAKER_02]: right right is he him and Tyler glass now they're just going to like every other turn it's cease or glass now they won't they they'll they'll they'll they'll just be combination picture yeah exactly they'll each pit they'll each throw what 15 starts it starts in the season

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to I'm going to go no on that one and only because Craig Johnson, you know, talking about how they don't want to give big money to big pictures and great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to skip.

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[SPEAKER_02]: By the way, we're going to skip the Japanese and the Korean players because we don't know if they're about them right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, but I'm sure we'll love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, go ahead.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure we'll learn more about them as this as the free agency gets on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think we're going to go after a lot of those guys big time because, again, we're talking Greg Johnson, we're talking ownership, we're not talking Buster Posey and Zach Minassin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're talking ownership right owning a baseball team is marketing marketing a baseball team is not just San Francisco and the United States they see what the Dodgers have done outside of the United States.

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[SPEAKER_00]: would be really smart to get a piece of that jungle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Me is yep kind of the start of that, but to grow on that would be enormous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think there's going to be a lot of money thrown at those guys and I'm okay with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause bring back for like the celebrating all these old teams bring back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She'll she's sheenjo.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would love to see that guy back on the field also.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and you remember what, oh man, who's the Japanese picture with what, um, when each hero isn't Seattle has last season there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember his name, but anyways, they kind of cornered the market on Japan at that time too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anytime you watch the game, you saw behind them, you know, remember when behind homeplate they had the rolling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they just put up like, you know, they plaster up, but what is it like superimposed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: ads, but they had the only ads and there was always like an ad for the Nintendo Wii and it was Japanese and you thought they have now cornered the market on the Japanese market and again it benefits big time to be on the West Coast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: not not Hadekki-Irabu who was in the air, the fat poor fat tone, and I was time-brenner column one, all right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The next one is someone I believe the giants will be in on.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if a seizes is kind of dodgy, like this guy is very giant-see, Zach Galen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I like Zach Gallup, but man is he fallen off the last couple of seasons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what would it be expensive for somebody who's fallen off?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes and no, but like you said, very giant sea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So is that a one-year deal guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, if he signed in your number three, if he can get, if he can get,

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[SPEAKER_02]: two or three or four years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure he'll go after that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if the giants will be in for that, but he just seems like he is the kind of guy that the giant, you know, when you go back to Greg Johnson's comments, it seems like he's like, yeah, we may not go big game hunting with the pictures, but we could.

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[SPEAKER_02]: get guys like that gallon who's just like a, you know, a former all star and yeah, you know, someone who's a vet and you know, he may be a more expensive version of a vet like Verlander was he's only had one really, really good season and when he was 27 years old and 2023

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[SPEAKER_00]: All star, third and sigh young, 20, he got at some MVP votes, his fifth and sigh young and 2022, 20, 20, 28 short season sigh young, ninth, other than that, I mean, he's been a serviceable pitcher.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I don't think I'm as eRA plus over his lifetime is one, 19.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like he's, I don't, I, I could see him absolutely benefiting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I were him, I'd sign a one year deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: try to pitch an oracle, get some fantastic numbers, get back to who I was, and then start looking at that, because he'll be what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 next year is a 30 year old season, so one year deal, and then you can sign a four year deal after that, but yeah, I'm gonna give him an offer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It would be one of those things where he's looking for a multi-year deal, doesn't get it, and then comes to the giants because he believes that his numbers will look good, pitching an Oracle, and it would probably be something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, I'm skipping over Michael King just because there's injury concern and who knows what's going on there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll skip over that one, but giants

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[SPEAKER_02]: are our bear in the bullpen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They need to closer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, we do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Edwin D is his 31.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He what he he was nearly dominant this season after being injured the year before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the problem with Edwin D as he's coming from New York.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not going to take a little money right not not that he's going to get little money anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but how old is he again?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 31.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 31.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to want to for your deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the the cops in the athletic piece were Josh Hayter, five years, 95, Tanner Scott, four years, 72.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the Dodgers are very happy about Tanner Scott, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not doing that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, keep in my money on that one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, you know, closers, the giants have been able to find closers that have been fairly decent for cheap.

50:55.848 --> 51:04.337
[SPEAKER_02]: They just haven't been able to keep one for a bunch of, a bunch of years and Suarez from the Padres is even older.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's 34 and he's kind of looking for the same amount of money as he and he's, and his numbers are not nearly as good as Edwin Diaz.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, he throws, he had one deas, it's like a strikeout monster and so far as he's really good strikeouts, but not as much as deas.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Shane Bieber is kind of giantsy too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Very giantsy.

51:29.448 --> 51:34.575
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, he, he, it sounds like he really enjoyed his time with with the blue jays.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if that was, you know, just kind of the, the coming off of the world series.

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[SPEAKER_02]: but he would be somebody who is kind of like gallant in that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That, yeah, and I don't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'd offer him, I'd offer him a year again coming off of an injury didn't pitch much this season because he came off the Tommy John.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'd another one, I mean, if you could sign gallon for one year and you can sign Bieber for one year and then you can sign a guy like, it was a first guy we talked about, first picture we talked about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The first

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so if you can get framer and then beaver and gallon those two guys on one of your deals, you've got yourself a pitching staff, you know, we're ending up with sure there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know this is pretend land.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is like, yeah, yeah, so I'm going to give, so yeah, I'm going to give, I'm going to give be probably a one-year deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to say, come over here, Oracle Park will blow up your numbers and look really nice.

52:47.284 --> 52:57.478
[SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to skip over Emanaga because it sounds like these players may actually be interested in taking these qualifying offers just because of the, um,

52:57.458 --> 53:05.010
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, maybe the unknown about after next season with the, with the how the players and the owners are going to be dealing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's another heavy home run guy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He plays third base, so he's probably not a great fit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he fits what the giants are looking for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have enough swing out of their shoe guys.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we're very, we're very right-handed in the infill as it is, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we need to get, we need to, you know, trade for Stephen Quant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we need to get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to get athletic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And here's another kind of giant sea guy who's 39 has been around the park with the Diamondbacks and the Rangers.

53:52.623 --> 54:05.796
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's Merrill Kelly You can probably just say, you know, landed rooper Hayden bird song.

54:06.036 --> 54:10.881
[SPEAKER_02]: You can probably do just as well if you stay That's what I was thinking too.

54:10.941 --> 54:15.806
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, do I want to put money there or what I rather trade for a guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'd rather trade for a guy than than sign Merrill Kelly

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, Merrill Kelly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Giants are in need of a second basement, unless you believe Casey Schmidt is gonna hit in the bigs.

54:28.030 --> 54:36.860
[SPEAKER_02]: Glaber Torres aged 29, probably looking for, you know, 34 year deal is still a young man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Would you be in on Glaber?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think Glaber Torres and only because,

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[SPEAKER_00]: His defense is roughly the same as Casey Schmett.

54:50.654 --> 54:54.321
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I'd rather give Casey Schmett a full-time job at second base.

54:54.341 --> 54:59.130
[SPEAKER_00]: So if I had to pick between the two and save the money from pitching, so now I wouldn't go that route.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Plunk, Palanco is out there two, 32 years old.

55:06.080 --> 55:12.028
[SPEAKER_02]: And he's switch itter so it changes up the right handedness of your infield a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's I think he's a great utility guy.

55:15.653 --> 55:17.616
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's a great off the bench guy.

55:17.876 --> 55:26.248
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, for for the giant set is I think he's like, you know, he'd be the new new and improved welder flores.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's get's hurt a lot too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, this was this isn't this is maybe the most interesting one.

55:34.767 --> 55:51.207
[SPEAKER_02]: I can't imagine this is on their radar just because but you have a gold glove catcher who can't hit for shit and there's a guy who is an old man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His name is J. T. Real Muto.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and he's probably going to cost you more than you're willing to pay to be a, uh, you know, to be in every other day, catcher for you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I thought that that was an interesting one was Jay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jay T. Real Muto.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't give him money because I don't even think he's going to leave Philly, but not even that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I wouldn't want to spend the money on him being a backup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's got to start to make that money that he has.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Bailey's defense is just way defensive catchers just super valuable, so I can't see that.

56:31.389 --> 56:35.233
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't see the giants looking for a new starting catcher.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, I'm skipping Grisham, you know, um, I think the giants already have guys who are set there, um, another giants, you picture Chris Bassett.

56:50.191 --> 56:53.577
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked him a couple of years ago, I thought.

56:55.717 --> 57:03.967
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought after he got, did he get traded from the A's or did they, yeah, I think he got traded from the A's when he got traded from the A's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, man, I wish that it was the giants who had traded and that they traded them to.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, they only upside for guys like this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's 36 is that he's not looking for a four year deal or he probably is, but he wouldn't get it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: People, other teams are going like, yeah, you know, for one year or two years, like, you know, will be interested.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's kind of where the giants are sitting anyways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say yes, and honestly, I think you could put into category of all of these pictures who are one year, two year guys back end of the rotation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say yes, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we need arms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know we need arms.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So do you bring back Tyler Rogers?

57:44.939 --> 57:52.048
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, that definitely have to pay him like three times as much as you paid him to be on your team before that.

57:52.214 --> 57:54.877
[SPEAKER_00]: And they were going to have to anyways as a free agent.

57:55.017 --> 57:56.699
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, his number's have been fantastic.

57:56.819 --> 57:59.803
[SPEAKER_00]: He is a great 7th and 8th inning guy.

58:00.464 --> 58:06.090
[SPEAKER_00]: He is proven time and time again that the guys have just not figured him out.

58:06.931 --> 58:11.877
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he liked San Francisco and I think him coming back would be huge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The fans would love it.

58:13.920 --> 58:17.003
[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I'm giving him some money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: 35 year old.

58:20.328 --> 58:27.096
[SPEAKER_02]: racially glacius who has closed in the past though.

58:27.116 --> 58:28.177
[SPEAKER_02]: I see gets older.

58:28.197 --> 58:31.661
[SPEAKER_02]: He's probably better as a setup guy from the right side.

58:31.721 --> 58:35.706
[SPEAKER_02]: And he played like he pitches, right?

58:36.006 --> 58:36.687
[SPEAKER_02]: He shows up.

58:36.807 --> 58:37.027
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

58:37.047 --> 58:37.228
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

58:37.328 --> 58:46.899
[SPEAKER_02]: So that it's I don't know if you want to pay you know 12 or 15 million dollars a year to Rogers and he glacius has set up guys and non-closers.

58:46.919 --> 58:47.199
[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

58:47.580 --> 58:49.542
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they do need arms.

58:49.522 --> 58:51.265
[SPEAKER_00]: That that's a tough one man.

58:51.325 --> 58:52.787
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do what did he have last year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: 29 says in Atlanta, 34, 33.

58:55.532 --> 59:00.480
[SPEAKER_00]: That I do like him.

59:00.520 --> 59:03.384
[SPEAKER_00]: I've always liked him death through five years old.

59:04.686 --> 59:12.239
[SPEAKER_00]: If you give him a big fat to your deal to be your closer, I mean, how many blown saves?

59:12.339 --> 59:15.664
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't,

59:18.682 --> 59:19.825
[SPEAKER_00]: that's a tough one.

59:21.890 --> 59:27.483
[SPEAKER_00]: We need back in bullpen guys his case for nine of just going down and down and down.

59:27.503 --> 59:31.693
[SPEAKER_00]: I think I don't want your deal.

59:31.773 --> 59:32.775
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to give them some money.

59:34.308 --> 59:35.570
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's end this.

59:36.752 --> 59:38.515
[SPEAKER_02]: We got to, we got to 30-ish.

59:39.717 --> 59:49.713
[SPEAKER_02]: It would probably take us another half an hour to get through the rest of those little, but someone who is kind of interesting, who we talked about last year.

59:49.753 --> 59:55.242
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, he came off a really good season last, or sorry, the previous year.

59:55.803 --> 59:57.345
[SPEAKER_02]: Last year got hurt.

59:57.967 --> 01:00:02.845
[SPEAKER_02]: And or he got hurt at the end of the end of the year.

01:00:02.865 --> 01:00:08.145
[SPEAKER_02]: So he came into last year, hurt did not play a ton.

01:00:08.632 --> 01:00:34.048
[SPEAKER_02]: Hey, song Kim to possibly play second base and, you know, it's probably going to take a few years but his average salary per year is probably not insane, it's just whether or not you think that he's going to, you know, he's he's going to play and not be hurt because he in 2023, he won the gold glove at second base.

01:00:34.028 --> 01:00:34.449
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

01:00:34.930 --> 01:00:43.324
[SPEAKER_00]: And and that is probably the reason that I do offer him a contract.

01:00:44.186 --> 01:00:46.570
[SPEAKER_00]: And and it's because of the glove is 29.

01:00:46.730 --> 01:00:55.986
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope it will be a 30 year old season only played in 24 games 48 games last year looks like.

01:00:58.497 --> 01:01:08.173
[SPEAKER_00]: 234 getting his legs back on her and OPS plus 83 on base percentage 304.

01:01:08.393 --> 01:01:16.426
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, again, playing in his 30 year old season, do you think it would take like four years?

01:01:17.187 --> 01:01:18.169
[SPEAKER_00]: Or do you think it would take?

01:01:18.610 --> 01:01:21.114
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think you can give them a one year deal to your deal?

01:01:21.334 --> 01:01:21.855
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:01:22.932 --> 01:01:26.256
[SPEAKER_02]: That's the trick, the whole thing, right?

01:01:26.416 --> 01:01:46.501
[SPEAKER_02]: Who's got the leverage is, you know, if he's got three or four teams willing to give him three or four year deal, then maybe for the judge, you're like, okay, like, we're out of that, but if he can't find the deal that he wants and he comes back and he's willing to take it two year, maybe we pay a little bit higher than, you know, to get him.

01:01:46.541 --> 01:01:51.387
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a lot of that stuff.

01:01:51.367 --> 01:02:04.093
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, say three or four teams, given two of your deals and the giants come with the two of your deal and again, you got to look at who does he want to play he loves jungle Liam and their best friends so does he want to play.

01:02:05.575 --> 01:02:08.561
[SPEAKER_00]: on this giant scene with jungle leave for the next couple of seasons.

01:02:08.601 --> 01:02:09.763
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe that would be so.

01:02:09.783 --> 01:02:15.133
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it would be cool going back to your comment about different markets and and such for players.

01:02:15.173 --> 01:02:26.014
[SPEAKER_02]: So all right, that was a fun little exercise now like now all the guys that we like bust or maybe like come on guys like we're not in any of these guys instead.

01:02:25.994 --> 01:02:30.105
[SPEAKER_02]: We're we're going to be in on who is some of the people that I skipped over.

01:02:30.586 --> 01:02:32.311
[SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be in on Cody Belinger.

01:02:32.351 --> 01:02:42.518
[SPEAKER_00]: We're throwing all I only skipped him because I just assumed he's going back to Yankees, but yeah, most likely because again, when you look in him, he's you look at his splits.

01:02:43.628 --> 01:02:45.011
[SPEAKER_00]: at Yankee Stadium.

01:02:45.031 --> 01:02:46.194
[SPEAKER_00]: He was nuts.

01:02:46.514 --> 01:02:47.557
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're looking at it.

01:02:47.637 --> 01:02:55.414
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like a 50, like a plus 50 OPS plus at Yankee Stadium versus on the road.

01:02:55.935 --> 01:02:59.022
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, how does that play at Oracle?

01:02:59.491 --> 01:02:59.992
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:03:00.152 --> 01:03:06.582
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Yankee Stadium is not that different than Oracle Park and when you're talking right field.

01:03:07.363 --> 01:03:12.210
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it plays the same and maybe he's happy to play at Oracle Park because of that.

01:03:12.291 --> 01:03:22.987
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's hit there quite a few years because when he was with the Dodgers, but yeah, he's another guy that I might extend it off or two because he still plays really good defense.

01:03:23.047 --> 01:03:28.215
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, that's what the giants are looking for defense

01:03:28.955 --> 01:03:48.904
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, let's talk a little bit to end this show about the world baseball classic, which we are big fans of and there's been some announcements and I really like the addition of some of these players on T mu a say yeah, and if you're thinking like I the way that I think of putting T mu say together's like

01:03:49.627 --> 01:03:53.236
[SPEAKER_02]: In MLB the show, what is the kind of team that I'm trying to put together?

01:03:53.296 --> 01:03:57.927
[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'm trying to put together guys like Corbin Carroll and Pete Crowe Armstrong.

01:03:58.007 --> 01:04:03.079
[SPEAKER_02]: Because they have power and they have speed, and that's how you win in video games.

01:04:03.177 --> 01:04:26.046
[SPEAKER_02]: Now, so it's necessarily, I mean, you're going to win the, the world baseball classic that way, but I like the idea of having young younger guys who are proven big leagueers joining an Aaron judge, I think skins Bobby wit and Cal Rally are on the team already and Dorosa still managing right.

01:04:27.460 --> 01:04:28.121
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he is.

01:04:28.522 --> 01:04:29.063
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he is.

01:04:29.163 --> 01:04:30.606
[SPEAKER_00]: And you also look at Pete Crow.

01:04:30.626 --> 01:04:36.938
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm strong and and Corbin Carol and you say these guys are like, you know, one gold gloves are finalists for gold gloves.

01:04:36.958 --> 01:04:37.098
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:04:37.879 --> 01:04:45.874
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and that's the other thing too, because the pitching, we're talking about spring training pitching right we're not talking about.

01:04:45.972 --> 01:04:48.435
[SPEAKER_00]: This is August September, October pitching.

01:04:49.276 --> 01:04:51.299
[SPEAKER_00]: This is spring training pitching.

01:04:51.359 --> 01:04:53.462
[SPEAKER_00]: So your starters aren't quite on.

01:04:53.522 --> 01:04:54.784
[SPEAKER_00]: Your relievers aren't quite on.

01:04:55.945 --> 01:04:58.008
[SPEAKER_00]: Having defenses is super key.

01:04:58.068 --> 01:04:59.269
[SPEAKER_00]: Defense is always there.

01:04:59.450 --> 01:05:02.053
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like you've got a ramp up to have defense.

01:05:02.113 --> 01:05:06.078
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like the defense starts to shine in July or August.

01:05:06.299 --> 01:05:07.901
[SPEAKER_00]: Defense is always there.

01:05:07.961 --> 01:05:11.666
[SPEAKER_00]: Speed is always there as athleticism, always there.

01:05:11.726 --> 01:05:13.448
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why these guys are important.

01:05:14.592 --> 01:05:22.704
[SPEAKER_02]: And then, uh, pool play starts March 5th, um, and the championship round is March 13th.

01:05:22.844 --> 01:05:35.402
[SPEAKER_02]: So that is kind of an insane turnaround to when the beginning of the season starts because the change in the Yankees play on opening night on Netflix of all places, which is going to be a blast.

01:05:35.382 --> 01:05:38.548
[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I'm I'm jazz for the WBC man.

01:05:38.588 --> 01:05:45.042
[SPEAKER_02]: Like this is to get high quality baseball like so early in the season is is awesome.

01:05:45.062 --> 01:05:50.292
[SPEAKER_02]: The giants are going to be playing an exhibition against team USA in spring training.

01:05:50.733 --> 01:05:53.118
[SPEAKER_02]: So before like right before pool play starts.

01:05:53.198 --> 01:05:54.801
[SPEAKER_02]: They play a team USA.

01:05:54.821 --> 01:05:56.665
[SPEAKER_02]: So that'll be a lot of fun.

01:05:56.645 --> 01:06:00.609
[SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, maybe we'll get Logan Webb on the squad, too.

01:06:00.629 --> 01:06:01.130
[SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.

01:06:01.310 --> 01:06:09.899
[SPEAKER_02]: He didn't pitch last time around, but, you know, he's, I do wonder if he would be a bit, though, in all start games.

01:06:09.919 --> 01:06:10.620
[SPEAKER_02]: He kind of sucks.

01:06:10.680 --> 01:06:12.602
[SPEAKER_02]: So he may have to flip that.

01:06:13.643 --> 01:06:15.285
[SPEAKER_00]: So when does the season open?

01:06:15.445 --> 01:06:16.386
[SPEAKER_00]: Giants and Yankees?

01:06:17.107 --> 01:06:17.668
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.

01:06:17.748 --> 01:06:18.208
[SPEAKER_00]: Giants.

01:06:19.329 --> 01:06:26.297
[SPEAKER_02]: Giants versus Yankees.

01:06:27.880 --> 01:06:29.823
[SPEAKER_00]: March 20th, I'll be in Disneyland.

01:06:29.843 --> 01:06:30.545
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

01:06:30.665 --> 01:06:31.867
[SPEAKER_00]: That always seems to happen.

01:06:31.907 --> 01:06:33.470
[SPEAKER_00]: It's time this season opens.

01:06:33.670 --> 01:06:35.894
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in Disneyland, but that's all right.

01:06:36.455 --> 01:06:42.445
[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder who the, I wonder if they've even mentioned who the announcers are gonna be for these games that'll be interesting.

01:06:43.066 --> 01:06:45.991
[SPEAKER_00]: They gotta have some big names, because you're not gonna be producing them as well.

01:06:46.152 --> 01:06:48.255
[SPEAKER_02]: Cause, yeah, that's the key.

01:06:48.876 --> 01:06:49.838
[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

01:06:50.138 --> 01:06:50.680
[SPEAKER_02]: That is it.

01:06:50.780 --> 01:06:58.481
[SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to thank George Cooley, K-H-O-R-Y for joining in the chat.

01:06:58.562 --> 01:07:05.160
[SPEAKER_02]: Also at TBD 1613 was also hanging out in the chat.

01:07:05.140 --> 01:07:10.145
[SPEAKER_02]: And like I mentioned at the top of this, we will miss next week because of the holiday week.

01:07:10.165 --> 01:07:11.806
[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll be back after that.

01:07:12.327 --> 01:07:17.132
[SPEAKER_02]: And hopefully there's going to be some free agent news like Josh Nailer, the only guy who I think, right?

01:07:17.232 --> 01:07:21.736
[SPEAKER_00]: You see the only guy who is in science and not even really technically a free agent.

01:07:21.796 --> 01:07:23.097
[SPEAKER_00]: Just went back to the same team.

01:07:23.117 --> 01:07:24.098
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, went back to the same team.

01:07:24.118 --> 01:07:24.839
[SPEAKER_00]: So all right.

01:07:25.219 --> 01:07:26.100
[SPEAKER_02]: That is it from here.

01:07:26.160 --> 01:07:28.823
[SPEAKER_02]: For Brad, I am WG.

01:07:28.843 --> 01:07:31.065
[SPEAKER_02]: We will see you when we see you peace out.

01:07:31.886 --> 01:07:32.987
[SPEAKER_02]: Peace.