Purdy’s Pinpoint Day, Jennings’ Value, & 49ers Playoff Scenario | We Want Winners

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rod and I alive talk in 49ers and Titans in a bit of a sleepy game, I think, the the Niners got ahead and the Titans, you know, the Titans kind of came back later in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of that was because the Niners just had issues closing out in the fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And some of it is because Titans were actually running the football very well against the Niners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it wasn't, I wouldn't say it was a competitive game, but it was also kind of too close for comfort a little bit at times, ultimately the owners are the better team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was a game coming off of a buy they really needed to take care of business and I think they mostly did Titans made it a little bit closer late, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good win, and I think coming into the last three games stretch of the season, kind of the win that they needed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As far as I can remember, outside of pretty ricky, I'm not sure if did anyone else get hurt?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did anyone else have to go to the blue tent?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I didn't didn't didn't see anybody that had to go to the blue tent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, that was it was honestly,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Really, if you look at the last three games, that was the last of the bad teams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You want our schedule.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, that they're going to

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like a a prove it stretch here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, we know that we, the 49ers haven't had the hardest schedule.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now the, the, the, the, the patty teams are gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You got cults bears and sea hawks to in the season and the sea hawks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Take advantage of a, and things are looking kind of okay for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Grandpa out there, Phil Rivers, but then I saw the C-hawks really kick like six field goals or whatever to come back and win that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Niners play the Colts on Monday so they get after coming off of a buy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This actually, this actually works out pretty well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have the buy, then you play, then you have an extra day to get ready for the Colts and then the Bears

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Sunday night, so it's a little bit better than, you know, a Sunday morning game for sure coming off of the Monday night and then close with the see how the scheduling aspect, the rest aspect kind of boats well for them, but like you said, this is kind of like, this is proof at time, this is like, okay, how good are you, I could see them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, winning two out of three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see them losing all three games and then with however the the Lions finish the season and and the Packers and I don't I forget who else is right there, but this is kind of this is the the maker to break it for the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It really is so it's going to be it's going to tell us a lot moving in and you know you were I was kind of hoping that um for better

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[SPEAKER_02]: would be in a position where definitely we k-teen didn't matter, but it doesn't look like that's gonna be the case.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It looks like that's gonna be a game that matters.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If it's for number one seed or or the division, some I just don't see how in the next three games or the next two games, they would be able to put themselves into a position where that last game just simply

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Rams and the Seahawks are about to have a slugfest next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that is great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Scheduling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Devante Adams, I saw he came up lame, he's got a hamstring thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was talking to Brad about this and he was saying how he wasn't sure, you know, it could possibly be without, without Adam, just because of how crazy hamstring injuries can be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but yeah, it's a right, that's the other thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that's a big, that's a big one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess if you're, if you're the Niners,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you want, who do you want to win that game?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I have no idea, I really, you know, I have a hard time rooting for either of the show, but yeah, it's like just just from a strategic standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I guess you would want Seattle to win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because we have a game over them and we have another game against them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So theoretically, if you're talking about being able to handle your own business, you would want Seattle to be the one you're chasing rather than the rams.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I know we split, but I know that if it comes down to, you know, mark in a victory, I think that's the next tie breaker.

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[SPEAKER_02]: they kicked our ass the second time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, I think if it came down to it for the division, which you know, as crazy as it is, we're just a game behind.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You would want Seattle to be the one that we are being compared to for typebreakers as opposed to the Rams, I would think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's why I would go with Seattle just on that score.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then if so, so like you said, it comes down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the tie breakers for the division goes head to head then division record then common games record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did you know if it was the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just the same for the rest of the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's an show because if it come it like let's say the Niners and the Rams come down to, you know, let's say Seahawks win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then let's say the Niners and the Rams end up tied for second place in the NFC West had to head they they're even and then best one lost tied percentage in games within the division currently right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Niners are, I think they only have one loss in the division.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The four to the ramps in the Rams would be four and two if the, if the Seahawks beat the Seahawks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You do root for the Seahawks in this situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Four Dennis fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you know who you rooting for between the Rams and the Seahawks are rooting Seahawks here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sling and Sammy Donaldman and we're rooting for him to throw some touchdown passes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess even before we get to the game today, the, what, when we were gone, we were on our by week two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The, the Brandon IU situation kind of settled itself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Niners put him on the reserve or the pup or whatever you want to call it, the injury injured list for the rest of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not going to see the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And after the press conference

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle Shanahan said, the reason that they did is you say 17, I'm in a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he hasn't been at headquarters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it sounds like there's been little or no, no communication.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we were hoping once kind of we saw the writing on the wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, they're going to cut him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, maybe he'll play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you and I thought he was going to play, but there was like some wondering about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he going to play?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's it's done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is he is unable to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The divorce is going to happen in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the last we've seen bread and I, you in a 40 in their jersey, really unfortunate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The way that it happened and I'm sure someone will do the reporting after the season as over as far as exactly what happened and why it happened and how it happened and who's at fault.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then depending on who does the writing, you'll have to discern whether that writer is a little closer to the ownership side or closer to the player side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll have to play that game, but I'm bummed because it didn't necessarily need to happen this way, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the communication and the expectation and everything just wasn't there and we're not going to see this guy really show out he's in the prime of his career and he would have been Brock Pertis number one target and he probably if if they would have continued to play together he's probably you know having great seasons with the Niners and now you did all of that to stay

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's all for not because you didn't even trade him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now you get nothing except for maybe some some cat money cap relief help, but then you got the dead money thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just unfortunate experience and, you know, just said that it happened the way that it did because I wanted to see this dude play football, but it's not happening.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What I want to hear the reporting on is give.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I think like you said, you have to, you'll have to take any other reporting with a grain of salt, but I want to know, and even read plenty of lines you can figure this out, if they realized that they had checked made themselves when they avoided that guaranteed money because

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, they were playing it out like he might be coming back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He might be coming back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We could open the window.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He might be coming back But let's be realistic if he had no guaranteed money going forward from his before back as July That was no one hell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was ever why would he play or practice with no

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[SPEAKER_02]: money guarantee going forward.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't make any sense to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So my question is was the avoiding a knee jerk reaction to something specific and they hadn't thought it out because my thought is if you even if you decide that you want to move on,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know what it is, we know what it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you come back, you've got this $27 million that you are assured to get.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a little bit of security.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you come back, you get to show the league that you are back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we are in a position where we can at least get something for you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That wall went out the window, you know, what's I found out that that morning was gone since back in July, it's in surprise.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm surprised he showed up at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because that was they completely decent of de incentivized him playing at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I hear I've been having these arguments for the last three days.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well,

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[SPEAKER_02]: as a man he got that twenty four million dollars and he should man shit I got that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I already got that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if there's no incentive for me to move from here I got the twenty four million.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay not literally as we see I can not play and have that and just get ready for some combined situation and head on into free agency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've thought on this, so I'm sorry, well, I get to the game in a minute, but this is, this is kind of, I mean, the game is what it was and this is kind of, it's, it's going to, it's going to be a story for a little while.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think it's important because we, you know, we didn't get to talk about this last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So go ahead, continue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I have a thought on your thought, too.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the, my second thought is Ryan Williams is the best agent in football.

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[SPEAKER_02]: maybe even professional sports.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's recap what he was able to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: While under contract, he somehow kind of conjures up a trademark it for his client and has bidders.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's contract offers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's trade offers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: While he's under contract, so he basically has a mini-free agency.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Niners decide that,

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[SPEAKER_02]: they don't want the three in the four that he's which is again another sidebar there has seemed always seemed to be a disconnect with what they felt his trade value was versus what his actual value was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember in March the notion was that what they wanted with Pittsburgh was two ones which is franchise money which just objectively says you think

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[SPEAKER_02]: But his contract should be the average of the top five receivers in the league.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But that's not what you wanted to pay him, but that's what you thought your compensation for trading him should be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That just doesn't make any sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then I just want to wrap this up quick.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So then, his contract is signed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It gets hurt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He gets $48 million to rehab and then depending on how the story goes because I don't know this is a conjecture at this point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They finesse the team into avoiding that contract and in essence making him, he got $48 million to rehab and then finesse them into avoiding that money and in essence making him an unrestricted free agent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: which is crazy because I've had this again.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've discussed this all week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So again, well, he's not a free agent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, look, we're that we're avoiding that money, leave us.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It left us with a contract that has zero value because when you take the guaranteed money, look at it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you look at it like this next season, he's like scheduled to play for $1 million because it was a low base salary

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[SPEAKER_02]: made it make sense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's a win hell.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Anybody's trading for a contract that pays him one million dollars next year because he's not going to play on it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So why would I trade for a contract problem when I could just wait until June 1st or whenever you release him and then we can just start our relationship fresh and it can be love or love birds and I can woo him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's there's that, and no matter how you might try to create some sort of leverage while this contract, I saw something that Lombardi reported something like that a few weeks ago was it, well, without the guarantee money now, the North Niners might be interested in just keeping them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They're not doing this for another year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, you're not doing it for another year, the entire league, no, you're not doing this for another year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now you're not going to trade him, you're not going to keep him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you have to releasing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So this, this is just been this has been an unmitigated disaster for this front office.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I, I, I would love somebody like Bill Simmons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I know he's not local, but whoever the equivalent, we don't really, I mean, I guess,

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[SPEAKER_02]: That could do something that I would because I silver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's got the access, but, you know, you have to Tim Tim's not going to write something just because Jed York is going to be happy that he writes it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tim is actually going to be opposite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be like, wait, if Jed York is happy, I'm writing this, then this is probably wrong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's how he thinks as a journalist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so what I was thinking very similar to how you're laying it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think that's one of two things and they're probably related in some way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now here's what I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say BA was healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's under contract.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what has to happen in which he is forced to come back to play football like what like what are the scenarios in which the diners go we are

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we want this guy to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Our doctors say that he's healthy and he is refusing to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What happens in that scenario?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying that that's happened, but I'm wondering where the who's got the leverage in that scenario?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that you would be right if at any point, he was medically cleared, but that hasn't happened.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that, you know, that's a non-starter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, we've been talking about again,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, talking about acting like a sperm lover, they release something yesterday or the day before, they'd run together, talking about they are preparing to go after that $48 million sign in bonus, which is crazy because if you look at the CBA, it's Section 4, Article 4, Section 9, which covers

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[SPEAKER_02]: if he retires, think Barry Sanders, if he retires voluntarily, they have the right to go back to go after that money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If he gets hurt in it with a non-football injury, somebody there was an Atlanta Falcon who got hurt right in ATVs and gave up his money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: After Aaron Hernandez,

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[SPEAKER_02]: They were able after seven year court battle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: They didn't have to pay his widow, the $2 million that they would held, but they could not get back to $6 million that they had already given him until now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So now that changed to me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if you get incarcerated, that is a reason for them to be able to come back and recruit that money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and then the fourth one is hold out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you hold out, they can go after that money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But according to the CBA, those are the only four scenarios that allow you to go after that money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So number one, he was hurt on the job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a non-starter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then if you wanted to make a beef about him not playing, he hasn't been cleared.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he,

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[SPEAKER_02]: He could not even if he wanted to come play or come practice, he would not be able to because he has not received medical clearance to do so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So who's just clearing though, is it his presence is it the 49ers personal doctor because if it's a 49ers doctor and he's not at headquarters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: how do they communicate whether or not he can actually play?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the the machinations of that, which is all kind of got murky here because depending it's been a lot of time with CPA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It gets real murky in terms of

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[SPEAKER_02]: what you're able to do in terms of a player's medical care.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a big thing with Christian Wilkins with the Raiders in that the breakdown with they felt he should have surgery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: His doctors told him that they could get rest and do physical therapy and there was just loggerheads there and I know that the ruling came back that they can't make him have surgery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, that that's not something right is within the purview of their contract is for them to dictate his how he cares for his injury so that'll be that's interesting now it gets it's interesting in terms of reporting and

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[SPEAKER_02]: being here and there's finds and things that can be asserted with that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So if if the contract says he has to do XYZ for rehab and he doesn't do that, there might be finds involved but that that does not in and of itself rise to the level of you being able to boy the contract and take money back.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know that you know if that's

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[SPEAKER_02]: for that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's going to be interesting to see how it shakes out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the two things that when this first came out a month ago that we're interesting to me was one that just happened way back in January and in January and in January and in July and then two that they made no attempt to file a grievance.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Apparently the NFLPA was that this was an ally you grievance for them

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, B.A.S.

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[SPEAKER_02]: team didn't want it, which appears to me, like there was a forefature of $27 million in order to facilitate his release and unrestricted free agency, which I know fans hate that reading of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if that is the case,

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[SPEAKER_02]: that is another brilliant move by his agent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cause can you imagine how many dudes in the league right now if they could forfeit their guaranteed money to be in an unrestrictured free agent, they would pay for that deal.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because like you said, he's 27 years old.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they're like seven or eight teams that need true ex receivers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so he'll be the best on the market.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the question that,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it has to be asked, well, is he healthy?

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[SPEAKER_02]: My answer to that is based on all that you've seen by the way his agent operates.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If he truly wasn't healthy, why don't you go after that $27 million as a retirement gift.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you really believe that he's not gonna be the same,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you're not as you're you're trying I believe I would be fighting for that 2017 dollars especially in the case where it's there they have no they have no recourse for taking that money it was the the appeal or the grievance it was a slam dunk the 49ers would have lost that but they was like nah we could we are right with the void in it because that means

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[SPEAKER_02]: this over in essence, which so at this point it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my take is that, and who knows really

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[SPEAKER_00]: who kind of, you know, pulled the trigger on what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's quite possible that the nine or saw what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it is going to be better for us to get out of this contract too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to let all of this happen, the way that they want it to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the one thing that the nine or is a really good at doing is shaping the narrative on the way out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we only have to go back to Harba and Colin Kaepernick to two of the biggest things in a row where the player on the way out or the coach on the way out just got trash to holy hell because of the way that it happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we know that the Niners are capable of that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's quite possible that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they were okay with it because they also get the relief of having to deal with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they got hose out of that money and they may feel some sort of way about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But looking ahead, they may be like, look, this is better for us in the long term or at at least in the immediate future because they're trying to win the Super Bowl in the next two or three years and then they're going to have to play this restart game once, once those two or three

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a three year shot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we continue to fight this thing, then he's not going to play and it's just going to be a distraction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get out of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they think he's possibly damage goods and they're like, you know, we can get out of this and then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on as he leaves, we're going to trash him on the way out and, you know, which probably, I mean, I don't know how well that works considering he's such a young player, but, you know, trying to

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[SPEAKER_00]: cause some sort of harm to his leverage and infreagency.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did it with Kaepernick, but that was a league-wide situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You had the president of the United States saying, don't sign this dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is a different scenario, but that is not below the 49ers to do stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I kind of expect that to happen, and but I do think it is probably a cut our losses because the sky just does not want to be here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could they, could they, if they could go back in time to that moment where they had the Steelers on the phone, I'm sure they just say, okay, we're trading him no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that's just what we have to do, knowing what they know now, you, you probably don't play this hand again and you just, you, you do that trade at that point, but, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is it is unfortunate, but this is also the NFL this happens in the NFL because of the way the contracts are structured, some some people, I mean, just look at the micaparsan situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All the drama surrounding that deal and then he gets traded to green bay unfortunately he actually got hurt today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like he may be done for the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, these players in order to kind of dictate the scenario, they do kind of have to stick their neck out in ways that may not make them very popular because the fan bases, the fan bases are so pro team and almost all of these scenarios, but yeah, it's an ugly thing and I'm sure BAs, uh,

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[SPEAKER_00]: popularity may take a hit in getting out the way that he did, but all he has to do is go out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and get 85 catches for 1200 yards and he's back in the good graces of his team and of the fans of that team and that's kind of how the league works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't I don't hope that he does poorly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know there are people who want him to do poorly, but this is just the business side of the NFL that's always so tricky.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So but this is probably the, you know, until the offseason when I do expect the narratives to come out, this probably the last time we really have to talk about him until then,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he moves on with his career and he's going absolutely can I can we discuss in a few seconds discussing or a few minutes discussing something else that I think that is like a non that's a neck here type of thing that kind of is intertwined with this game it is I think that

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think there's two jobs.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One is not quite open yet, but it's headed that way and this job, the Atlanta job and the Tennessee job are both Taylor May for Robert Sala.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just I never talked about it on the broadcast.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, really, I wasn't listening with the sand sound on because I think I think hand word is a dude.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that they've got their quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you look at that division,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there were Robert solid division of Robert's solid defense and a, why receiver, right, Brandon, maybe away from being at least able to compete in the, in the, in the AFC South, which is not a very high bar, is not a very high bar to be a competitor for that division title.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It just never is every year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's the same thing with Atlanta with the fact that

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[SPEAKER_02]: crazy offensive talent, they don't have, you know, pinnicks is hurt, but maybe he could bring Maca Wall.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, but they have Atlanta has so much offensive talent.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I just think Robert Solet is a difference, but he's shown it this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He can take chicken and make chicken salad.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He really is a really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_02]: defensive coach.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm willing to give him a pass on the jets because nobody wins the jet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's just a really, really dysfunctional situation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think these two situations are places where you can win like, and you can win quickly because regardless of where you fall in the hierarchy of the league itself, you can be competitive in terms of making the playoff

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[SPEAKER_02]: right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Look, it looks like nine wins is going to win the NFC South.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the Falcons looked like they're going to win seven games this year as constructed.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just think you throw somebody like solid into the mix there and they are instant competitors in that division.

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[SPEAKER_02]: good opportunities for him because I have no doubt.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no doubt in my mind from after there was really was no doubt other than you kind of worry about the fact that he was big I kind of regressed with him under the jets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But it's really sound like that was a shicho and then he decided that he was going to take on Aaron Rogers and then that was pretty much the end of his time there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, we all want to take on Aaron Rogers at some point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I think he's a, I think he's a very good defensive coordinator.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he can be a very good hand coach.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the thing about you look at what's happening in New England, he is the kind of guy that he's

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[SPEAKER_02]: He will always be able to come back and be a defensive coordinator and be paid at the top of the league doing that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's not like he's taking some sort of huge risk by taking another $60 million contract.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because both of these situations are situations that have been proven that

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can win there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those are not dysfunction, that's not, they aren't the Raiders for the Browns or jobs like that, which I honestly think are beneath him, but I think these are two opportunities that where he could win and I just think that he's going to get a job, this high-risk cycle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There aren't, I think there are like five, they'll be like five or six jobs and there aren't five or six candidates better than him that New York job is a good job too, but I think

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[SPEAKER_02]: him even though even if it was a good fit right now they could hire him and immediately the media is on is on him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The guidance by the way, if if the giants, the Raiders and the Titans do not win another game this season, they all end up tied with two wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Titans would actually get the third pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So not only

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have Cam Ward, but you also come into 2026 having the third pick in the draft?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if the Raiders, I don't know how the Raiders are going to win another game, they...

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the giants could sneak in there ending on what goes on, but you know, they're in the mix right there for a top three picks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is also attractive for somebody like Salah is coming in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You just drafted the top quarterback the previous year and now you get another top pick and you can kind of retool in a division that's not great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: which, I mean, again, that's why I am so much higher on him than I was, is because look, we can, you can make the case that, I mean, that, the 2019 49ers defense, I mean, it was great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Those jets defense, even those the teams weren't good, they were good, but they had

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[SPEAKER_02]: defenses.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's had all pros throughout.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So you can kind of say, well, you can, I mean, I'm not saying it's that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Poaching well with talent is easy because there are lots of lots of teams that under for form.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's never had a problem under performing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But this doing what

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[SPEAKER_02]: middle of the pack in most categories but when you factor in who it is he's doing it with that I think for both him and Kyle this is this is some of the best coaching now they all they both won at a much higher level than this.

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[SPEAKER_02]: then this team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the record is what it is and I'm not going to shit on it, but this is not one of the best 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This team is nowhere close to the 2023 team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so from a talent standpoint, but they've won and I think that the fact that they have performed as well as they have with the talent deficit that they're working under makes it even more

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, to Shelvin's point here, uh, if the deep, if I'm, Mustafa catches the balls that are up in the air, I mean, maybe the Titans only score 10 points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a pick that he had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was another DB.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forget the DB who also had a possible pick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then the, the great play where they got all the way down to the one and they scored that other touchdown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Mustafa when that as that balls in the air, he's got the better shot to intercept to make the catch than the actual wide receiver does.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the wide receiver took it away from him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, that some of this is younger defensive players who do not have that nose for the football and the turnover quite yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And making plays, just yeah, that is that is that has been

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[SPEAKER_02]: They probably, again, but that is why I think it's so impressive what they've done because they even, you know, like Mike Hill Williams is a guy that is clearly talented, Alfred Collins is a guy that is clearly talented CJ White who had a heck of a game today are these are young guys that are talented, but just don't know how to play yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that, I'm not saying that, you know, I've had people argue with me about, well, look at these plays that, um, Michael Williams and Alfred Collins, but yes, I see it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I see Alfred Collins, I'm not Michael anymore, but I see Alfred Collins demolishing guards and crushing double teams, but I think he would admit,

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[SPEAKER_02]: that there are plays out there that he is left on the field at the end of those feats which that's something I'm not criticized and he's a rookie.

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[SPEAKER_02]: These are the first 14 or 14 games of his career.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't expect him necessarily to be worn sap or Aaron Donald today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But at a certain point, you can't tell me that he's a future all pro.

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[SPEAKER_02]: without acknowledging the fact that he needs to start making these plays because you don't become an all-pro, and he has said that that's the standard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, you don't make all-pro by occupying blocks or by defeating double teams or crushing guards and then just standing up over them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You have to at the end of that, a plan needs to be made.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I have no doubt that they will get there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the fact that they have been as good as they

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[SPEAKER_02]: with the inexperienced debt and and and just flat out their guys playing that just aren't high quality NFL players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: My man Flanagan fouls he was all for today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: he was terrible in Curtis Robinson wasn't much better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Greg Gido, Walter Peyton, or where to shout out to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when Wilson and Warner come back, it just makes everybody better.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And what you have seen in what I have all I have believed throughout this thing, they did the right thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I mean,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Cleaning fair was played well and that's great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I am glad the rather than going out and just bringing in whoever's sitting on their couch.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This letting these guys play and get the experience that they have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It looked like they might have found something with Tatum Bethoon.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then healing up being slotted

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[SPEAKER_02]: properly once Fred comes back then he is I don't know I don't think he's a number one or number two linebacker but he could be an accident number three linebacker so you found that I don't believe the key on white is a top of the rotation lineman but maybe he doesn't have to be if you

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[SPEAKER_02]: a six to seventh man, that's, that's a good fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I believe that, you know, when people were talking about, like, for example, in Lake and Thomas and became available, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: If you want to sign up to the practice squad, that's cool.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know that I'm crazy about taking reps away from Burford and Colby to, um, we know what Lake and Thomas in it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think

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[SPEAKER_02]: go along the way, see what you got with guys like Gifford and Burford and chicken name, I think that we'll be better off down the road.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think you have to try to, you know, you talk about the two timelines as a warrior fan and people vomit, but I think that you really, you try to do the best you can

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[SPEAKER_02]: Get like we were talking about around the trade deadline.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think you serve yourself by throwing a bunch of traffic capital and bringing in somebody who's going to help you this season.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think you try to do the best you can to win.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Make trades on the margins.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sign free agents out there and try to get as best you can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But you don't do it in

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[SPEAKER_02]: detriment to your future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think they've got a lot of good things going on here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think another good draft will, we're better served by having another, you know, another crop of the, you know, a hundred, two hundred

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[SPEAKER_02]: picking from the 200 best players and bringing them in for four years on rookie contracts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then we would be trading one of those contracts for a replacement level veteran who might be a better player this year, but ultimately is not in the future plans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it seemed like they were only going to make a move for somebody if that person was going to stick around for for some time and what they were finding out is those were the players that everybody wanted, which jacked up the price on all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the price was high.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the price was just too high.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that and that that's okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like they like apparently they were in on jail and

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, which a third rounder is somebody who is supposed to be a contributor for four years.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, that is high enough, that's on high enough pick, where even if it's just a rotation player, that's a, you know, you don't want to trade that for a rental, and I don't know that they weren't, you're going to be in on resigning J and the Phillips at the number

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[SPEAKER_02]: he's going to make.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't, I just don't think they're going to, I know we want a book in for, for Nick, but I guess we're hoping that's my kill.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they're going to pay somebody else $30 million to be that, but I just, nothing in their history leaves me to believe that that was ever even an option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get to this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the game showed me two things and the first, I wanted to talk about Brock first, but then I thought, since we talked about Ayuk, we've talked about Juan Jennings as a guy who is probably on his way out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But these last few games he has showed why he is probably more valuable to a team like the 49ers than other teams, not only from the past receiving perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But also from the blocking perspective, like there was a I think there was a specific play where they just lined him up in the backfield or just like just you're just you're just going to play the full back spot and you're just going to run through whomever isn't your way I thought wow this dude does you that that's how they used him that was cool, but I wonder if because of the B a situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They look at Joanne's scenario a little bit differently.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I'm reading the reporting correctly, Joanne and the 49ers were way far apart as far as what his value was to the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he was looking for like 20 million and they're like, nah, you're probably more towards like nine, eight or nine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, at some point, can you meet in the middle?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they just, they didn't, they didn't meet in the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I wonder now, if you can talk, Joanne down from that 20 million price.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And instead, maybe it's closer to like 12, 13.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you sign him to like a three year deal,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because of just the value he provides your team for the style of football that you play, the way that he played today, I was like, gosh, he is definitely valuable to this football team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I hope

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[SPEAKER_00]: and and look the cap stuff is is the cap stuff and a lot of decisions are not made strictly for merit they're made strictly because of how the cap works and how much you can put in you know how much money you can give to one set subset of players because you've given this other subset of players so much money if he can kind of get talked down from that like you know I want to make 20 million or whatever I do wonder if they can come to some sort of

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, I think he's just going to be so much better on this football team than some of the other football teams because of the way that he plays that position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he has players on the other team just calling him out in the media because he just, he doesn't stop blocking, he doesn't stop talking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just going at guys and that is the kind of player that I think works well in this Kyle Shanahan offense I just wonder how much and maybe there's a team out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's quite possible.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a team out there who's like, you know what you're worth more than what they're willing to give you But we'll see when that happens, but this is the first game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what he they need to figure out how to make this work

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just don't think that he'll have to settle for that low account right now.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that that was a posturing situation because of course you asked for 20, but you'll take 17 or 18, and I always felt that that that Darnell Moody contract in Atlanta, he's a different type of player, but a similar type of player, every shot,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Baltimore, similarly, those guys signed for between 15 and 18 million.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, maybe you get the 15.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that's the that's the market for you on and I also believe that when you watch around the league,

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[SPEAKER_02]: that the proliferation of this Shenahan or McBay style offense, there are a lot of places who would appreciate having a player fight you on Jennings on their team and they don't necessarily, he doesn't necessarily, that's one of the great things is for him to add value, he doesn't have

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, so I think that ideally slotted, he's always been ideally suited for his role in this office.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a wide receiver three that is like a six tight end basically.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's, I don't believe that he, he was, he was miscast last year due to injury.

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[SPEAKER_02]: as a Y receiver one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that I don't think that that you are, you are, again, Kiffyborn was a Y receiver one in New England.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That doesn't make you a Y receiver run.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think he's a good Y receiver one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's not a Y receiver one on a team that's going to win anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: major contributor to a championship as a wide receiver three on the right team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: What we know he can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We know he can.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is a call to McKibviz.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Miss Block from being a Super Bowl MVP.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I mean, he definitely, there's proof that he can be that guy and I would love to see him be here

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a, like you, like you just pointed out, he only had three catches for 37 yards gets in the end zone twice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, he dropped one late that would have been a really good play, but just, I just think I think he's better than his numbers are ever going to say he is, which is a hard thing to negotiate when it goes to that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing about this game to me was, was Brock Perti because, as we've said, all season long with the Mac Joan stuff, and we love Mac too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's nothing against Mac, but Brock Perti with his legs created the opportunity for them to throw the football downfield today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was 23 of 30 for 295 yards and three touchdowns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ricky Parasal shakes loose six for 96.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kittles shakes loose eight for 88.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they didn't even play the dump-off game to McAfrey that much which kind of tells you that they were able to throw the football down field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: McAfrey only had one catch today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that Brock Pertis legs in his understanding of the pocket and his the timing mechanism that goes on in his head knowing when to escape, knowing when to to step up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: he did get crushed on on one throw, which was a great throw, by the way, but his value, his legs are so valuable to the opportunities to make plays, because as we know, the offensive line is only getting to about one Mississippi, and then, you know, it's kind of like he's he's on the run, but like this is the best game, I think, since he's been back,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it wasn't against the best team clearly, maybe against the better team, you know, things don't happen exactly the same way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But man, this is, this is why he is cuby one, his, his escape ability and his ability to throw on the run and to create plays and to have the receivers knowing like, okay, Brock's scooting out, this is our turn to, to kind of,

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[SPEAKER_00]: change this route and just find an open spot because Brock's going to find us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was great in all of that today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He really was in two things.

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[SPEAKER_02]: One, I think we as fans have to remember that you have to use healthy and air quotes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's clearly well enough to be out there, but he did all of that with that mobility.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't convince me that that toe was still a 100%.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I give him credit for

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[SPEAKER_02]: doing this with, you know, I've just heard the turf toe is not something that you really, that really heals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just, especially if you don't do like Burro didn't just have the surgery.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he didn't do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He just rested it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And now he's just out there, gotten it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I think we've all, we've talked about this for the past several seasons.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You see a maturity

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[SPEAKER_02]: judicious and less yolo about his running, which is just something that is just the the maturation of him as a player, because we talked about a lot, I know in previous seasons, in the Super Bowl season, especially that it just always felt like that is a part of the game that for whatever reason, well, not it for every reason, that Kyle in an

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, deployed a real RPO, um, aspect of this offense, which again, clearly he is more than capable of running.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, so I did again, you are 100% correct.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He was great today.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it just,

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[SPEAKER_02]: he did in big and small ways show why he is a guy that you know he's a guy he's a guy there's I just I think I was never on that mac frame but I have I've got a mac thing that is probably not 100% fair but um I and I'm beyond this thing with Brock and

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[SPEAKER_02]: like they're like being a referendum after every game, you know, him throwing three picks now all of a sudden quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Number four.

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, he had a bad game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's he's he's he's he's the quarterback for better or for worse.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's the quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and I think that he is he's our guy and he is more than capable and competent to get us where we need to go.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I

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[SPEAKER_02]: special qualities that I think that when we get back to where we want to be and we're in those big spots again, I just have to believe that I think this dude is the dude to lead us where we want to be ultimately.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think he's I think he's a good quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't talk too much more about this game because it was you know like it was a little sleepy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that I wanted to talk about though was in in the

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's a couple things that really worry me about this Indianapolis game and then there's a couple of things that I really like based off of what Indianapolis did today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Indianapolis, I think they're like, they've lost for in a row or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're also six and one at home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, they play better now, who knows how they play without QB1.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the thing about Indianapolis is they're going to give the ball to Jonathan Taylor 25 times as we saw today this run defense is can be pretty rough sometimes Tony Pollard I thought he was going to break one and take it to the house he didn't he came close but that was just my sense when he got the football now on the flip side if you do just really focus on the run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Philip Rivers today, I think completed like, just passes to running backs from the most part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there there wasn't a whole lot of stretching the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, some of that is Seattle as well, but, um, I think just trying to get killed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that is that is what you test, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is you test?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, let's make Philip Rivers make some plays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's not very mobile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He you know, he hasn't had he's really only had one game back and I don't how long has this dude been retired like three years five years all by that's insane and we haven't seen it have we seen anything like that in the NFL before this crazy so so that I think that leans a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: better towards what the Niners can handle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I am worried about that run game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am worried about Jonathan Taylor going like 20 for 150 and three touchdowns.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is kind of in the back of my mind as far as what could really stop this 49er team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be the best he and Christian are going to be the two best football players on the field when they are on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, Indianapolis, like you said, FC South, they started out hot and they are now eight and six after having lost this game to Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they are fighting as well and they are in must win mode, they are in desperation mode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think this is, it's going to be a really, really good game for to test the Niners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so really tell us who they are, you know, can you go into

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[SPEAKER_00]: indie on Monday night and win a game because if you don't, now you're, you know, you're kind of, you're kind of in control of your destiny at this point, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you are a game ahead of Green Bay, and you are a game ahead, a gamer, a gamer two games ahead of the lions now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's really about if you went out, you're fine,

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[SPEAKER_00]: He might be right, but at the same time you're going into the last week of the season, worrying about tiebreakers and rooting for certain teams to lose and watch in the scoreboard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's that can be fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would rather not have to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to wish the week before that so you don't have to worry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you can rest your players a little bit in that last game because you're going to be playing wildcard weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just some of those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what are your thoughts about this upcoming indie game?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I am on board with you 100% about Jonathan Taylor and then even more so is Tyler Warren because

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[SPEAKER_02]: Again, I people were shitting on D winners during the game and his coverage.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, I mean, he's one of the best coverage linebackers in the league when he's playing on two healthy needs, but he is clearly not healthy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Tyler Warren is a problem.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is a matchup nightmare for this team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then kind of Philip Rivers, I felt the same way about him as I felt about Aaron Rogers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you compare him to peak?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Philip River's no.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you compare him to the best quarterbacks in the NFL now?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, but he's he better than Riley Leonard and Brett Rippin.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably I would say yes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that is where they're at his eye would much rather be facing Riley Leonard or Brett Rippin than facing Philip River's because

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[SPEAKER_02]: Whatever the 49ers show him, he's seen it a million times, and he's going to make the right decisions.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now the question becomes physically, how does he hold up after being hit three or four times, but if I was looking at this box right, I didn't get to watch any of that game, because I was watching our game, but just looking at this box for what's telling me, is he's not giving you much or enough, much like Rogers,

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[SPEAKER_02]: at this stage of the career, he's not giving you an opportunity to hit him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is just deciding where he's going with the ball and getting the ball out of his hands.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the question then becomes how do you hover?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you able to stay covered up and blitz or do whatever it is to try to stop

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[SPEAKER_02]: making you to death.

01:00:18.130 --> 01:00:28.968
[SPEAKER_02]: Also with the knowledge of you probably have to have 8 or 9 in the box to deal with Jonathan Taylor because you know they did not.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought coming into this game is Spears and Pollard would play a much bigger role than they did but I can guarantee you

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like you said, you can just mark that down.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can mark 25 carries down for John Taylor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's nothing that's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to make them go away from running the ball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so the question then becomes what are we are we able to endure and stop them?

01:01:00.572 --> 01:01:05.757
[SPEAKER_02]: Because like you say, this could get ugly fast with this

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's everything.

01:01:07.146 --> 01:01:14.614
[SPEAKER_02]: He is, he can, he's a, a, a bumper, but he's a thumper who could break a tackle and take his 70.

01:01:14.634 --> 01:01:30.552
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, so it's it really is like you say I had this funny that obviously we're watching the same game, but I had that feeling on several occasions that Paul or was going to bust one and given the opportunity Taylor will.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that it's going to be the fact that it's.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are we, is it a 10 o'clock game next week?

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[SPEAKER_02]: No, it's a morning game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that helps.

01:01:40.934 --> 01:01:47.662
[SPEAKER_02]: That helps that, you know, we get that whole extra day and it's a night game.

01:01:47.682 --> 01:01:53.349
[SPEAKER_02]: So that, that I think that's better for us because I mean, I think that just makes it more fun for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Shelvin's making me feel a little bit better because the Niners, so it goes Niners right now,

01:02:04.057 --> 01:02:09.544
[SPEAKER_00]: the playoff picture has the nine or six in the packer seven.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Below the packers at eight are the lions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the lions would have to jump up two spots to knock out the nineers and I think we actually have the tiebreaker.

01:02:25.305 --> 01:02:31.093
[SPEAKER_00]: So let's say we go one and two and they go three and oh.

01:02:32.288 --> 01:02:42.641
[SPEAKER_00]: If we end up tied, if both of us end up tied at 11 and 6, I think we hold the tiebreaker because we would have the better divisional record.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They already have three losses in their division.

01:02:47.187 --> 01:02:53.215
[SPEAKER_00]: So that would be the Niners would actually win the tiebreaker there if I'm reading that correctly.

01:02:53.635 --> 01:02:57.520
[SPEAKER_00]: So if the Niners only need to win one,

01:02:57.500 --> 01:03:02.906
[SPEAKER_00]: then you got indie, you got Chicago, you got Seattle to win one.

01:03:02.946 --> 01:03:07.750
[SPEAKER_00]: Still, there's not an easy game left.

01:03:07.891 --> 01:03:09.552
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all going to be tough games.

01:03:09.933 --> 01:03:24.047
[SPEAKER_00]: But if you play it as in, you got to win one, then at least it looks like if I'm reading this correctly that the Niners probably can just clinch by winning one game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I sure we said bears game had been in September is now, but they are getting because they are getting better and they are starting, you know, using rocky parlance, they're starting to believe man, they are, they are a, they're going to be a problem and they are because and they, well, they've got a big game this next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Ben Johnson should just say, I'm just going to take my shirt off every time we win.

01:03:47.713 --> 01:03:49.075
[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's fire them up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They seem to love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: coach with no shirt, oh, all right.

01:03:56.426 --> 01:04:01.813
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, we'll be back next Monday after the diners cold.

01:04:01.893 --> 01:04:05.458
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be ready and ready and fired up to go.

01:04:05.878 --> 01:04:07.460
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's going to be like after a win.

01:04:07.901 --> 01:04:15.851
[SPEAKER_00]: Look, look, you know, I think we're all pretty pretty realistic expectations for what this football team is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same

01:04:18.517 --> 01:04:26.177
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like we've been saying, you get there and then it's like, hey, you have a shot and that's really all the time.

01:04:26.218 --> 01:04:27.280
[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to get this point.

01:04:27.661 --> 01:04:32.374
[SPEAKER_02]: I really believe that I believe because I am not a.

01:04:33.316 --> 01:04:35.580
[SPEAKER_02]: a binary all or nothing failed.

01:04:35.640 --> 01:04:36.982
[SPEAKER_02]: Did you win the Super Bowl?

01:04:37.002 --> 01:04:40.287
[SPEAKER_02]: Well man, the 31 teams don't win the Super Bowl.

01:04:40.688 --> 01:04:51.245
[SPEAKER_02]: So I am not one who was going to measure the success or failure of any individual season in those binary terms.

01:04:51.265 --> 01:04:53.689
[SPEAKER_02]: That's just not how my fandom works.

01:04:54.270 --> 01:04:56.033
[SPEAKER_02]: But because all ready,

01:04:57.110 --> 01:05:02.597
[SPEAKER_02]: they have done enough to make this a successful season in my book.

01:05:02.617 --> 01:05:14.912
[SPEAKER_02]: They have played in one way more games than you would have reasonably expected with the amount of injuries that they've had.

01:05:15.613 --> 01:05:26.627
[SPEAKER_02]: And so even to right now, even if they lost all three of these games,

01:05:27.046 --> 01:05:32.833
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, obviously, I don't want them to lose the next three.

01:05:33.173 --> 01:05:35.836
[SPEAKER_02]: And again, I'm not wanting to say that they went all three.

01:05:36.097 --> 01:05:45.528
[SPEAKER_02]: I am, again, I, I, I, my, again, my fandom doesn't allow me to even think about well, maybe they can win seven in a row.

01:05:47.170 --> 01:05:47.290
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

01:05:47.310 --> 01:05:53.998
[SPEAKER_02]: This is not, it would be great if it happened, but I, I, I just, I, I, I, I, I, I,

01:05:54.603 --> 01:05:59.591
[SPEAKER_02]: think I have a pretty clear understanding of what this team is.

01:05:59.651 --> 01:06:01.535
[SPEAKER_02]: And they play hard.

01:06:01.555 --> 01:06:12.112
[SPEAKER_02]: But they're just, we're going to get to a place in this season where we're starting to play teams where the talent deficit is going to show up.

01:06:12.473 --> 01:06:14.476
[SPEAKER_02]: And this is not the, and that's fine.

01:06:15.077 --> 01:06:20.526
[SPEAKER_02]: I, I, I, I, I, I think that I saw something is like we're like a, a 98% mm-hmm.

01:06:20.708 --> 01:06:21.649
[SPEAKER_02]: to make it end.

01:06:21.790 --> 01:06:24.374
[SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, we're going to be there.

01:06:24.554 --> 01:06:36.853
[SPEAKER_02]: And I would be happy if we just go in and we in the last quarter, the last four minutes of that wild card game, we're in it.

01:06:37.254 --> 01:06:39.377
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that that that's great to me.

01:06:39.537 --> 01:06:41.400
[SPEAKER_02]: If you however it turns out,

01:06:42.410 --> 01:06:59.526
[SPEAKER_02]: I just, I would, I would hope that in these playoff games however many of them that we have that we are just competitive and even friends from what I have seen this, this, this season that unless, you know, you just get jumped on like the Rams jumped on us.

01:07:00.347 --> 01:07:09.936
[SPEAKER_02]: If the games are close, solid and shenanigans are going to be able to make calls that if we are in a close game,

01:07:10.388 --> 01:07:13.034
[SPEAKER_02]: they can win these games for us.

01:07:13.194 --> 01:07:15.400
[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what you can ask for.

01:07:15.800 --> 01:07:19.108
[SPEAKER_02]: That's all I expect and ask for.

01:07:19.148 --> 01:07:21.514
[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm excited for the next one.

01:07:21.794 --> 01:07:24.340
[SPEAKER_02]: I'll see you there.

01:07:24.420 --> 01:07:24.601
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

01:07:25.402 --> 01:07:26.946
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's going to be great.

01:07:27.263 --> 01:07:38.020
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, I want to thank Shelvin for hanging in there in chatting with us and also the other folks who are watching live on the channel, but we're not betting.

01:07:39.182 --> 01:07:40.244
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hop in exactly.

01:07:40.825 --> 01:07:44.771
[SPEAKER_00]: I hope everyone's having a good December so far.

01:07:45.172 --> 01:07:50.841
[SPEAKER_00]: The next time we talk, we'll be like three days before Christmas, which is nuts.

01:07:50.821 --> 01:07:59.545
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, so we'll see everybody next Monday night for Niners and Colts and for Rod, I'm WG.

01:07:59.725 --> 01:08:02.232
[SPEAKER_00]: We will see when we see you piece out.