Porzingis Warriors Debut & Veronica Burton’s Unrivaled Shutout | Golden State Hoop

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're back for Golden State, whoop talking about a very like mid warrior season so far, not a lot to talk about other than injuries and getting old and

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[SPEAKER_02]: trading player trading for players who may or may not work out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Brian and I are going to take a realistic approach at what to expect in this second half for the Warriors post all Starbreak because when Steph Curry doesn't play,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't feel like watching like I'm not dialed into the team if Steph is out because at least if Steph plays you feel like you could watch something that is special or you'll you may see something you're either very familiar with or maybe that you haven't seen

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[SPEAKER_02]: And when it's Pat Spencer or pods out there running the show, I don't necessarily feel that way and they had a spirited game against San Antonio and then end up losing in the end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: the ascension of some of the younger players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we'll talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We're also going to lean into on the WMBA side in the women's basketball side.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Unrivaled has a one-on-one tournament that was really cool, at least the first round, which was yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And there's rumors.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was a rumor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I should say a rumor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: about the greatest WNBA player in the game right now and the tie to Joe Lakeup and what Lakeup likes to do and all of this and then we'll talk about a mock draft.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, Brian, before we get into the warrior side, I feel like you were out on the all-star game a few years ago.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's not interesting to you at all.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I am like an all-game, like that's my thing going back

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[SPEAKER_02]: I never saw what you're playing the all-star game so when a warrior played it was kind of exciting but where are you with this year's all-star game with the world versus USA and splitting up into three different teams and all that jazz?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if it wasn't for last year's all-star game being in San Francisco and feeling like heavily stiff and curry influence, then he kind of helped with the planning of it and like what they were going to do, like that probably would have been an all-time low if I was not here in San Francisco of like this all-star game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not interested in whatsoever following year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's where I'm at.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This this thing sucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not excited at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll probably

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just it's just an event that's just go waste the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think with with the probal, you know, they have kind of accepted like okay you know it's after the season like we know that these guys aren't going to try hard so we're just going to change it in a flag football so no one gets hurt like we are basically understanding and we understand that this is kind of a joke event so we're going to you know accept that for what it is the MBA I feel like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's still trying to tell us that this is a serious event that we should pay attention to meanwhile they're playing they've been playing black football for as long as I've been watching you know like it's not real basketball and I don't know if people should go on strike in the

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[SPEAKER_02]: The other piece of it, and this is the thing that I actually really liked, or I used to like about the entire weekend, is the slam dunk contest, and the three point shootout, and if you look at the rosters for both of those events,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You kind of have to be a really, really hard core fan to understand like what is going on or who's in it or who's involved outside of Dame Lillard and maybe if you're a con, like what is the reason to watch the three point shoot out this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the only thing to me is just like, oh, that's cool that Damian Lillard's participating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess, you know, you probably, if you have a torn Achilles, you probably still technically could participate in something like this with no quick cuts, you know, there's no, not really athleticism involved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just getting your shot up and getting to the next rack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think it's cool that we haven't gotten to see him play since the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of last season, and he's, you know, on a new team, and he's participating in the three point contest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the only reason that I would even be semi intrigued to change the channel to the three point contest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then on the slam dunk contest side, I think it's even worse, actually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Are you, you are a big time basketball fans?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Of course, you know, these players, but let me just read you the statistics here of these four players who are in the slam dunk

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[SPEAKER_02]: Carter Bryant averages a whole 3.4 point to game spurs front court player cashad you have a man okay well there you go there's a little bit of a tie for you cashad Johnson from the heat three point you have a another you have a guy I'm double checking when I'm almost positive so there's two reasons for you you have a just thing then

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Jack, yeah, yeah, I was standing at the state transfer.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jackson Hayes from the Lakers.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's he's actually doubled their scoring.

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[SPEAKER_02]: A whole 6.7 point to game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the only one that I I really care about and the reason I care about him is because of his pops.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jace Richardson averaging a robust

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[SPEAKER_02]: you got to know the NBA to even know who these kids are.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So there's no draw whatsoever for this slam dunk contest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And this event, I mean, you're talking about in their crimes or in their early crimes, uh, Zach Levine and Aaron Gordon going toe to toe, uh, like that was so memorable.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Even Mac McClung who's not even really good enough to be on a roster,

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[SPEAKER_02]: He knew how to do a dunk contest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He knew how to get people fired up.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He knew how to get people going.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And they don't even really, this one, this specific dunk contest is telling me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The players do not care about this, and thus they don't get enough out of it to even want to be involved in the dunk contest.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that is like something that is really weird to me, just the devolution of the slam dunk contest, which used to be something I looked forward to every single year, nonstop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I feel like when I was more passionate and interested in like pitching ideas on how to fix this thing or just getting frustrated about like, you know, why isn't it star players like, I think when the max stuff started getting introduced when he did his first on contest, it was like, this guy's not even an MBA player like yeah, it was like that type of frustration, it was like why aren't the stars doing it, this guy's not even an MBA player and now three or four years later.

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[SPEAKER_01]: given the roster we have now for the don't condos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, why isn't Mac participating?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we need Mac, like, and it's just so how far we've we've dropped, but yeah, you know, to Mac's credit, like he put on two to three don't contest is that I think we're relatively memorable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the one against him against Tray Murphy, the one him against Defon Castle last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are two players I liked going up against Mac.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So something.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Tray Murphy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and Stefan Castle, our name, young basketball players, none of these guys even fit that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Tray Murphy, like, you know, we know him now, but when he did the dunk contest, he was still a relatively small name, still more of a name than any of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, shout out to the U of A, but I'm sorry, like, yeah, this is, I think again, this is just them telling us that this is a serious event.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's flag football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the most

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know that Tom Brady's going to Saudi Arabia and play some flag football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not know that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tom Brady card shop just opened up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Should I go check it out?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You should check it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm interested.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I would love it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Actually, let's check it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I'm my guess is that some pretty expensive stuff in there, I'm charged.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's a good intro to this all start weekend and we don't have to talk about it anymore, but let's let's actually kick off our warriors or our death line up portion of this show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, as I tease in the beginning, the realistic outlook for the second half of the season, what's gonna get you to care about the warriors?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not only just talking about this here, but what are you looking for?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What are you gonna watch for?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What could actually make you go, okay, I need to focus on this because I'm interested in this warrior's team and hear something that I'm going to be watching for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's really only a few and neither of them are like

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[SPEAKER_01]: know that it's like it's like if this is what we're looking for then we're not like we don't we probably don't have that good of a shot next year but of course I'm looking at the new acquisition and Chris steps for zingus and i'm looking to see how you know we've been asking for a shooting five that can play defense for what feels like a long time now to put this next to dream on um i'm interested to see how that fit looks i imagine it will actually

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also like, I feel like...

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I, we kind of talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been kind of, I have not really watched the warriors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like, honestly, since didn't watch the Lakers game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Lakers Memphis, San Antonio, I haven't watched any of those games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I actually feel like, you know, earlier in the season, I felt bad because I was like, I got to be watching these games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We do this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I did all the watch all the highlights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, this feels wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had a streak of like four years of watching this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I finally broke it because it was boring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I felt bad about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This time, I don't feel bad about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that, you know, you, they've given me no reason to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not like a Steph fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a Steph fan, but I'm also a warrior's fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when Steph's gone, I will continue to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, I feel like Steph not being there, no Jimmy, you know, the guy who they got from the trade deadline isn't playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I get you're just, it's just, I don't think it's, I don't think it's worth my time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think kind of back to the point a little bit is that I guess you're kind of looking at the young players, but then, you know, pods has been from what I've seen throughout the year and what I've heard from these past couple games, it has not looked good and how many times it's just going to continue to not look good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I guess, you know, something that we've been kind of pushing for the past couple of years and it feels like finally it's coming to fruition is the geosontoseness of this team and, you know, he's he's getting extended run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does the thing that Kurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does the things that Kurt likes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like his jump shot is kind of come around like I feel like it used to be a little risky when he was getting these spot minutes past couple two seasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now when it shoots the ball, I'm more confident that that thing's going to drop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: doesn't even look all too different either, but it just feels right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so Gees Santos, you know, but then again, it's like, you know, Gees Santos is much to be like them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's like an obvious ceiling, or I'll see what have been at top 15, 20 player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, there's sometimes those rare hits in the second round, but Gees Santos is probably someone who's not going to average a lot of points in the NBA when he's at his best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's kind of what I'm looking at, though, like that type of young player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think Moses kind of, we know what Moses is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's never

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[SPEAKER_01]: and, you know, cashew threes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, Pods has been pretty disappointing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, he does all the things that Kurt likes, but God, he cannot make a basket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes they're just really bad misses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just like, how are you out there putting this bad of misses?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, a guy like Kominga had to sit the bench to watch you do this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's pretty dim in warrior land.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I also feel like there's maybe something would dream on that you can keep an eye on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of like maybe how Dramon participates to end the season and how engaged in locked in he is if that can tell us anything for how he treats next year if maybe he ops out of his contract and goes somewhere else or you know if he stays with the warriors like I think you know the willingness to trade him and him being aware of that well now in the off season he kind of has his future in his own hands he can he has I think he has a player option right like he can opt out or he can opt in

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'd say those are the four things just to summarize is Chris Dabes, Dremon and young players, so I guess three wait, so do you, what do you think about the whole conversation of.

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[SPEAKER_02]: whether or not Dreyman was on the table and how Mike Dunlevy handled the conversation from Nick Fradell's question about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he, uh, Dunlevy was very aggressive.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So he seemed very frustrated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it didn't seem like he and Drey were necessarily on the same page as far as what the public message was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But Dunlevy was, you know, that's the first time we kind of seen him a

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think 100% Dramon was on the table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would want him to be fired if Dramon wasn't on the table.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So surely Dramon was on the table, I think you're right that they weren't aligned with the message.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Dramon's video before he made that comment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe he's coming just from the player side of things where he's just like it's not fun when these guys names are just dragged out across the media I know how that affects a locker room So I'm just gonna shut that down at all costs, but he doesn't realize that drama was cool with it because he's you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: he's he has a podcast and you know, he's always talking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think at this point in his career, he was he was more he was less frustrated than he would have been in in previous parts of his career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't think that they were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll line on that message.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was a little bit of like a done leavey thing where he was like, well, technically there was never a conversation about

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[SPEAKER_02]: wasn't really a true conversation with Milwaukee about Janis because if Dreyman's name would have had to have come up as a possibility or an option, and if Dunlavy is correct and saying that Dreyman's name did not come up in that way, then they probably didn't get very far in negotiations.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, if they had, of course, Dreyman's name would have had to come up in some way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I just thought the whole handling of that thing was interesting because

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[SPEAKER_02]: Dunlive is usually a little bit more savvy, at least media savvy than that, is he though?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that guy's a liar.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think, no, I think they're, well, whether or not he lies, you know, we know the Jordan pool comment for years ago, but he's a little bit more ahead of the game when it's first anticipating what people are going to ask him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He had the Jonathan Kominga comment about what Jonathan Kominga's true trade value was and based off of the trade that they made,

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[SPEAKER_02]: not very much, you know, as far as his trade value, I just think that there was a frustration that he had.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe he maybe he is feeling a little bit more pressure.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe his boss is kind of, you know, letting him know about, you know, we have only a couple years left.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We need to ask this situation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's actually talk about from my perspective, because I agree with you, the number one thing is, Poorsingus, the problem with the Poorsingus thing is,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a free agent at the end of the year, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was bringing up last season, last episode is that what do you root for?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a warrior's fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you root for him to play well and play himself out of a warrior's contractor or do you root like, but you were saying that you think that he has to sign for some type of like less team friendly prove it deal considering his injuries.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, that's just what I wonder is what is like, do they make the trade for him if they think he's going to have a robust market?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_02]: because they had, I think they trade him with the thought process of like, okay, we're going to sign you to a two year deal after this season is over.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We know that your market is not fantastic, but you are a good fit for us, so maybe we give you a little bit more than what your market says.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And thus that validates the coming a trade.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because if he leaves at the end of this year,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, like we said last week, you just traded coming up for space.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So all you did, and you could have just let them go in all or can catch it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You could have let coming ago in the off season, and that would have been the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the bet of what they did, you know, the risk of what they did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if they are truly invested in keeping porous throughout next year, I think the fit, how he learns how to play with Dremon and Steph is kind of what you watch for this year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: How many minutes are they even going to play together?

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[SPEAKER_02]: That's going to be interesting because, you know, the supposedly when they come out of the break, they play Boston, and that is the game that they may have circled for porous ingus.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I heard Steve Curse say something to the effect of oh yeah he moved he was moving a lot better today than yesterday, which means you're telling me yesterday He wasn't moving well That's not great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: This is what I'm looking forward to number one Steph playing

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[SPEAKER_02]: uh... together with kp if they you know they may be able to do some stuff that stuff has not not ever been able to do with a big before uh... and maybe as it as a two-man game maybe since kd um... you know that some of the things that they could have done together so that is going to be interesting the second thing i think i would love and i've i've actually been

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want Will Richard to be the starting shooting guard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want them to play Will Richard against the other team's best number two, because I want Will Richard to get the staff juice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want him to get the Dremond instruction.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I want him to get the Bennaff playing with poor zingas who can stretch the floor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And my, like, the way that I think about this is you know what Pajemsky is have Pajemsky be the six man and have him take out will Richard and then when Steph goes to the bench, Pajemsky just runs the point card like that's that's fine like that's what he can do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if you give Pajemski the starting two guard responsibilities, he's just a failure in fans eyes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He's never going to be what the fans want him to be.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he does do some of those things that we've mentioned that Steve Kurt likes.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But let's see if we'll Richard can do some of those things way more athletic.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Then Pajemski is defensively, he gets even though Pajemski does get some steals and we know that he's a charge machine.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like we'll richer his hands or a little bit more active in deflecting passes and stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So let's see what we'll can do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's let's treat this like I think we'll can be a part of the rotation, you know, next year in a big way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that would be number two for me.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then number three,

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[SPEAKER_02]: there's this crux of players that they have.

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[SPEAKER_02]: You mentioned Gisanto's who's a favorite of ours.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's Quentin post.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There's guys that you kind of want to know if you're going to make one last run next year and this is all based on if Jimmy can come back and be Jimmy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: who is after that, who, and the Anthony Milton, I think making sure the Anthony Milton is back on this team is also paramount, who else is going to be any sort of value, like figuring out that eight, nine, ten will actually be kind of,

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[SPEAKER_02]: And by the way, D Anthony Milton is probably better than we'll Richard, but we know what D Anthony Milton is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I think having him solidified the back court with pods in that second team is the best place for him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think some people would like to see him play next to Steph and see if they could actually.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like

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[SPEAKER_02]: when Milton is on the court, he likes when it's his opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He likes going to the bucket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's almost like, he'll go to the bucket.

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[SPEAKER_02]: He does.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And he'll get stopped.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he'll still find way to get shot up no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like that's how decisive he is about what he wants to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that is better with with pods.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So,

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[SPEAKER_02]: that back end of guys that you want on this team next year figuring that out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think that be great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Pat Spencer gets this contract is he going to be, you know, can he be a 10th or 11th guy on the team next year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Al Horford is Al Horford going to next year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We didn't make it to see him this year really in a in a positive sign for next year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So figuring out that that piece

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[SPEAKER_02]: to put it around because they're not going to be able to afford big pieces to add from what it seems like.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's what I would like to see.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But realistic expectations now, where do you think that they end the season?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do they make the playoffs in in 2026?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're definitely going to sit around that play in like seven to 10 range is what I would guess now I understand that, you know, the difference between just like it is every year on the West, you know, the difference between the three in the seven see it isn't, you know, too much, but I think historically the warriors, you know, these past couple years it feels like a safe bet that they're going to be as high as six as low as 10.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's no way they say that's probably.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, like it's just Portland, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just like the only team they have to even worry about, you know, Utah's, you know, they already called it in, Maverick's called it in for the year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Pelicans haven't really called it in, but they're just terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Grizzlies kind of similar and Memphis, you know, full rebuild.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Kings are lost from Memphis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or some games in a room.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This bad man is bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think even have like just a team of just like guys who know to play and you'd think that it wouldn't be like this awful,

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I guess I would so I'm going to agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think I think six would be really tough to get to with the way that the team looks without Jimmy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think they're going to be like 910 bare minimum, which means we're going to have at least one plan game to watch and talk about for this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I guess I mean, it's just that Portland's not Portland's not really like playing, you know, all that well and then the clippers, you know, they get rid of James Harden for

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the clippers got rid of two starters for younger players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it doesn't signal a rebuild because they still have quiet, but you'd think they wouldn't play better than what they were doing, which was a team on pace to pass the warriors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now I'm kind of wondering if the warriors might be fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's only three games, but, you know, and I know it's we're waiting for Steph and Chris steps to come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, the clippers could pass us, but I'm just saying that like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the teams below the warriors kind of made these moves to, you know, maybe show that they're not really going for it or that they're just not playing all that well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, would you want to see the warriors chase that six spot and end up in like a On series against the nuggets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it's fun to watch them in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like they always have a shot, but I understand that without Jimmy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's like the ceiling is just it's so capped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so capped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It have to be like these serious drums that you just don't see like the Anthony Milton, you know, turns into a guy who should get paid 30 million dollars a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's kind of what we're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, of course, I want to see it, but I understand that that could actually like, you know, in the long run heard us, does the Anthony and Chris devs play themselves out of a contract?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this the Anthony have a look, does the Anthony have an option next year?

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[SPEAKER_02]: What is his contract like?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's just a free agent next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is he really?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought they had an option on his on his thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has, I mean, he has a player option.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So why would he, he's going to opt out of a $3 million contract?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he is worth way more than $3 million.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, one of the Twitter accounts I was seeing was like, can you just pay him, you know, the tax pyramid level, which I forget what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that like 13 or something or like 9?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But man, I don't know, but this guy should get at, you know, at the very least what buddy was getting, buddy was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: three for 27.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just nine or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you think the Anthony's worth way more than that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, the Anthony's for sure going to opt out of this three million dollar contract and then get a bigger bag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's in, you know.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's got to put it in and if he feels like Rick Celibreney is the guy to help him continue to play with injuries and in a longer An extended career, then maybe it's worth it for him to come back and in a silent recent award.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It seems like he really likes the whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would like to see him come back to because I think he's a really good player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's talk some, uh, women's basketball here on, uh, pot hala.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right, did you get to watch any of the enrivaled one on one highlights at all?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just the Burton ones.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the tournament, and I'll read, I'll read through the, uh, I'll read through the thing here because it was so much fun, um, the,

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[SPEAKER_02]: There were some surprises, uh, the players that you thought maybe would, uh, you know, would be awesome in this kind of format were like watching page play what was great page played against a Kate Martin Kate held her own.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I did see that those highlights that highlights made it look like Kate got demolished to did she?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She held her own.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She hit, she, I think it was, I think it was like 11 to five, but at one

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[SPEAKER_02]: Page was just like, first two, like, just easy.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, oh, no, this is going to be bad for Kate.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But then Kate hit his shot, you know, it was like nine to five or something, but then yeah, page finished her off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, Kate, Kate held on strong.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She did a good job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kelsey Mitchell, just ridiculous one on one player incredible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Aureka had a had a really good game.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She beat Britney Sykes pretty, pretty easily.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me read through the winners of round one because they go on to round two, which is on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then I think the thing ends on Sunday, the semis and the finals are on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So Kelsey Mitchell beat Rachel Bannam.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that how you pronounce her last name?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She beat her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It was, it was a little closer probably than it needed to be, but Kelsey's Kelsey's great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Veronica Burton cooked Courtney Williams the only event to zero win of the first round was Veronica Burton and I think I think on run was the seating it was four five so Courtney was the four Veronica was the five it I forget which

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[SPEAKER_02]: Instagram channel, you know, had the highlight video, but, you know, Veronica, I saw Veronica Burton replied to it and she was just like, you know, I was just in the zone or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and then, uh, so Kelsey Plum, I guess a couple of players pulled out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Skylar Diggins in Jordan, Canada possibly pulled out because Kelsey was supposed to play Natasha Heidman in the first round, but, uh, they just got pushed into the second round, because I think the other two players, uh, didn't play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I think Elizabeth, I don't know if there's an injury with Elizabeth Thomas, but she also was supposed to play Alia Boston in the first round.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She gets her place with Latisha Amihir, but then Amihir, I guess, was not available.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like if you look at the poster, they just have like grayed out faces for people who weren't able to play for whatever reason.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Page beat Kate, like I said, a reggae beat Britney psych.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the reggae and page the teammates are facing off in the second round.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Just going to be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jackie young beat Isaiah James.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Jackie and then have problems against some of these taller players because she gets her shot blocked a little bit at the rim.

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[SPEAKER_02]: which she did a couple times.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Chelsea Gray came back to be Natasha Cloud, so Chelsea Gray and Jackie Young have a matchup on Friday.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Alicia Gray, she's the number one seed on the the they did like a big versus guards kind of thing so Alicia Gray was the number one seed in one of the brackets on the on on that side and she's facing scenario rivers who beat actually I think

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think they played yet.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For whatever reason, they just also got pushed to the second round.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Sonya Citron upset of the whole thing beat Marina Mayberry.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And Sonya Citron did so in very Sonya Citron fashion where she did finally crack a smile at the end when she finally won.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then when they asked her question, she was very monotonous and robotic because she doesn't like showing anything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But cool cool customer there to to beat Marina Mayberry who's like kind of the opposite.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Ray Burrell beat Ryan Howard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she and Sonya face off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Brianna Stewart finally got her dub because I think she's the one who got blanked zero last year.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Edward's, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she beat the Lee, what is Lee's last name?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You're, you're, you're, you're.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Lee played okay for someone who's got to go out there at that like she's the tallest player in the whole tournament to go out there and have to guard She did a pretty good job.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She held her own and then Alia Boston she got pushed into the next round So she and Brianna Stewart face off and round two and then she care Austin came back to beat D.R.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Kambi

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[SPEAKER_02]: and she faces Alia Edwards who snuck out of there against Dominique Malango, I thought Malango was actually going to win, but Alia Edwards won in the end.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So those are the matchups for the second round.

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[SPEAKER_02]: In watching this things, I'm very very interested to see how the bigs play the smalls when it comes to when they finally have to face off in the finals.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But if I was to guess

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, what is going to be the final four?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I might pick Kelsey Mitchell, against, gosh, if page can be to Riga, I think page can get there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But

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[SPEAKER_02]: Orica, as you know, Orica is just breakdowns and out there on the court with basketball.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would, I would pick Paige, but I'm not 100% sure there.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then on the other side, probably Alicia Gray and then either Edwards or Stewart, I would just go Stewart just because I think she's, you know, she really wants to win this one after last year's debacle.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know,

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[SPEAKER_02]: but they play so hard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there was a couple of times when I forget what matchup it was.

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[SPEAKER_02]: There was literal like Brandon Pajimski charge taking charges.

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[SPEAKER_02]: shoulders chest going to the floor.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I was like, man, these women are playing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, it is there is it is good money.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think it's like $200,000 to the winner or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So good weekend for Unrival.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I just wish, and you know, I know these two leagues aren't really

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[SPEAKER_02]: Connected, but I just wish the unrivaled one-on-one final could be on the same weekend as the NBA all-star game because that would be a reason to to tune in You would go, you know, you'd go Three point shoot out and then right for the don't contest then you'd go to the unrivaled one-on-one finale and and you they'd get some shine there That would be really cool, but Yeah, I mean, I watched it It's on day so it's it's really fun.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think if people

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[SPEAKER_02]: are interested in something different in a basketball product, check it out.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's on, I don't know if it's on TNT or true TV, maybe on both, but HBO Max as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So on the 13th and the 14th, you can see the rest of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, let's talk about this Sabrina Merchant mock draft here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Do I still have it pulled up, I do?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I was in our discord and talking about Sabrina's uh, Sabrina's mock draft, you had actually mocked.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hakez Gabriella Hakez to the Valkyries last, one of the last podcasts that we did.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I saw there was another mock draft that you linked us to in the discord, which had Hakez with them as well.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Sabrina actually had a Hakez going higher in this mock draft.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So she did not have Hakez going to the Valkyries, but I'll quickly go through and then you can give your thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she has a easy flood going to Minnesota at number two, and Minnesota's going to be such a good player and they're already so good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Seattle Olivia Miles at number three, the mystics, she had Lauren Betts going at number four, and then the Chicago sky, she had Flage going to the Chicago sky at five, and then Portland, she had taking Hawke as at six.

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[SPEAKER_02]: and Toronto Tempor, Tempo, E on a martine, another player from Spain.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then she had the Valcarees selecting Nell and Angloma from France, a five, seven, or sorry, five, 11 guard.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then let's stop there and then we'll go through the rest of it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But what did you think about kind of that six through eight spot where her draft got a little different

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I mean, it's not, I feel like Eonomartine is someone who, when I was looking at the draft, you know, before college play started, like Eonomartine was someone who was higher in the draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was impressed with her in the fee book cup, but I want to say, oh, no, what was it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was that tournament called?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was that you stay played and I'm already forgetting Eurobass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but she had like some kind of like, she had some type of injury that wasn't like a body part injury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like something happened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and she didn't play with Spain after that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But she looked good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if there's any her and Carla are like, you know, just like the opposite types of players, they're these small guards where Carla likes to just go and get hit at the rim and martines more from the perimeter if you get like picture that at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they're just like the opposite of each other and types of terms of scoring with their both, you know, small guards from European countries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, interesting seeing Martin kind of come back into the fold because she had gotten dropped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to say to the second or third round of most mocks I've seen, I'm not familiar with this French player who has been coming up in the mocks as of the past couple weeks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nell and gloma or however you pronounce your last name, just not a player I'm familiar with yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have vowed to go watch your tape and I just have not done that yet, but I will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Hacca is getting the jumping up in the Portland, like good for Hacca is like she actually deserves it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's been playing really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the interesting thing about Portland, though, as many people know, is that Vanya sort of benefits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was the VP of the Valkyries last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then Portland, poached her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: as to be their GM.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, Vanya, heavy international presence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure was a big reason why we picked the use day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure was a big reason why we leaned heavy international along with, of course, oh, him and Ian and, you know, favorite team or just.

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[SPEAKER_01]: going for the international route as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like Vanya, you know, might do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, and so I would be interested to see, you know, of the Portland fire go international, whether that's Martin, whether that's the French player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the tonight, a lot's in thing, I feel like it's just the biggest kind of noticeable faller from recent mocks, especially this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where where tonight, a lot's in ended up on Sabrina's mock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just going to, I don't have my athletics up anymore and I can't get into yours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't read it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know, I just think tonight is just like kind of too talented to fall that far down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I would just take the flyer if it were me, um, you know, it's especially if shatter.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it has well taken.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, see, I just think tonight is super talented and I think that, you know, if Gabriella was already taken, then I would just take the flyer on tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Lots and she's someone who, you know, is just like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Talented with the ball in her hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a good offensive player and and now sometimes like she's so I don't know if you know the story with with tonight, but she was on a team That your friend's daughter is on is that is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my, Florida or University of Florida state.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she was on that squad Florida state or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know for the first three years of her collegiate career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was on one of those Florida schools and she had mentioned like in an article that, you know, she just felt like she wasn't being pushed enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I didn't think she wanted a blamer coach, but I think she was like, I've been gotten way too comfortable with just being the person that takes all the shots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was kind of like just like one of the top score and women's college basketball last year because she got all the opportunities to score.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She was averaging a lot of points, but then she wanted to like kind of challenge herself and you know not take possession.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not take possessions off on the defensive side or like play smarter offensive basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She goes to South Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She could do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She could do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She could drop her drop without a coaching change by the way.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, because like look for the state is struggling.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I've looked at their record if she was able to kind of raise their thing that might be, you know, that might have been better for her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but it's since making that move, I think in the season she's played her draft stock has gone down a little bit, but you just watch her play basketball, you watch her with the ball in her hands, and she can kind of shoot the three, and she's really talented at the rim, it's just like, I would take the flyer and just do it, especially if there's a drop off in terms of talent or tier, then interesting to see, you know, neat kids was mocked to the boundaries of the start, and it seems like she's kind of falling a little bit too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I know Sabrina, you know, she has the scoops and I'm sure that, you know, what she puts on there is very like it's probably a good chance that, you know, that that's what the conversation is right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And but I, I'm interested to see, you know, especially with Portland having Vaania.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they going to go, you know, U.S. or are they going to go international?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then something we talked about on the discord as well is like, oh, can the Valkyries just do what they did with U.S.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They again and draft this international player, the French player, and just say, hey, stay overseas for a year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we want to prioritize our development for U.S. We don't have to want to worry about two top picks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, at the same time, like, can you, you know, what would you stay over?

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[SPEAKER_01]: overseas and with you stay kind of made a little sense because you know she was only going to make $70,000.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it seems like, you know, these rookies might start making 200 to 250, so it might be a harder asked as asked someone to stay without that pay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that was a cast as point in the discord shadow to cast them.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That was very smart.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yep, you know, that's definitely a different thing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so let me read the rest of the first round and then by the way,

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[SPEAKER_02]: You can be reaching out to Sabrina again because she, well, has she been on the show twice?

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[SPEAKER_02]: She has been on the show twice.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we got to bring her back, man.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She was pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, like, you know what's amazing about it is.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I feel like even in that one year that we talked to her like her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: like what she's does in that space is like so much bigger now like she's one of like who's bigger than her other than you know maybe there's the the one that works the ringer but is kind of in a different space um and then um what is it uh from is it is it a Lexus or it's a philipoo or something for front office sports isn't it any

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I feel like because of the no-off season podcast and because of just writing for the athletic and kind of Being the go-to for at least for us like I just feel like

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[SPEAKER_02]: a star as shining even brighter than it has so I don't even want to be able to get any more but we can tell her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We changed the name of the podcast like because I think the last time we had her on we were talking about trying to you know whether or not this was the right name for the podcast she'll she'd probably get a kick out of pot holla.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, so the rest of this is after the Valkyrie's pick, she has Washington, Yana Nepkins from UCLA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Gianna, Gianna, Charlize Lager Walker, the another UCLA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that what is that?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like five, or no, four UCLA, UCLA player so far.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then Washington, Kiki Rice, the fifth UCLA player that is on in the top 11 for her.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then finishes it off.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We mentioned Lateson Raven Johnson at 13 to the dream.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ashlyn Jackson from Duke to Seattle at 14.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then 15 is Medina O'Cott Center from South Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sounds good to me, trying to think of if there's like obvious omissions, but not off the top of my head, can I think Sarah Williams from Yukon, I think I don't know if that's it, I don't think that's a snub though, I don't think, you know, she's been all that crazy for them from a W MBA perspective, but yeah, no, I mean, I think it's probably.

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the more whatever drafts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, still a very talented draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure, you know, we weren't covering this thing before even, you know, the Caitlin draft, like, you know, from like, at least a podcast perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm sure there were, you know, some pretty rough drafts in the past, but so I guess, you know, everything from, like, there was a first round pick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a number one overall pick and I'm already forgetting her name, but I think she was drafted to Dallas and she and

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[SPEAKER_01]: My WMBA friends will remind me of what her name was after this, because I know they know, but she's like not in the league, she's like in Australia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got ready, like already kind of not in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was like, you know, 2021 that at the earliest, if that's what year it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there's just like a, I think there, there is like a chain of a fair or domino effect of like more focus in the women's basketball more money into women's basketball and then you have more maybe parents that want to invest their their children in the playing basketball and because I've always bring this example of just like, you know, a top women's college basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: player for the U of A, um, uh, decided, you know, she wanted to pursue something in, in, in, in, in, in like the medical field rather than continuing to play women's basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, and, and so I just think that something like that is probably not going to happen as much anymore, and because of that we're going to get more talented players that come up the chain and more talented drafts because of that, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: So although I say this is probably like a kind of whatever draft I'm sure in the grand scheme of things it's a talented draft but I think as we look at the past five the next five years like I think this is going to be one of those drafts that are you know not as good and because I mean next year the following year is the juju class is the Michaela Williams class is the Madison Booker class is the Hanohadago class it's the you know name it and that that that

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[SPEAKER_02]: I wonder where Sabrina would put you stay in this draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would think, I would think no less than top four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be trying to have an unbiased perspective, but just someone who shoots the ball as well as her or someone who just makes the right reads passing and has a solid good mid-range shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's kind of a tier there's tiers in this class and I think that you know there's there's a that first tier and people probably disagree and agree on on who those players are in that tier if whether they say tier one's just our fam that's it and then tier two's easy foot and Olivia miles or tier one is our fam and easy foot tier two is Olivia miles I feel like you could I'll just say like tier one is our easy and Olivia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I think, you know, you stay would probably just be like right there the next person because then you're talking about who was four on Sabrina's was it bets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I personally, I mean, I know Lauren bets is talented and what she can do at six seven, but I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't think her archetype is what a long-term center in the WMBA, a long-term starting center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there's much star potential in that archetype as the leak progresses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would rather have you stay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, that would she would be number four, and what should you get drafted at five?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could argue her as high as three as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I feel like safely, you could probably say in that four to five range, depending on

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The last part of this podcast that we wanted to talk about was the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I only saw one report.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it only one report for the Asia Wilson thing?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Was it Brett Siegel to, is that all it was?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I made that may have been all it was, but that was all it needed, right, to get some re-tweets.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And the reason why we're bringing this up is because it was a clutch point.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is it a clutch point's article?

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[SPEAKER_02]: I think clutch points wrote about whatever that tweet was.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Any less clutch points is Brett Siegel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's him.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Ian Oheida said a potential cross league start pairing centered around Bameda by Owen Asia Wilson has emerged as a scenario to monitor for golden state according to a recent report from clutch points NBA insider Brett seagull.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So the idea is that because the warriors always like to be in the mix for big time players.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Joe Lake has been a fan of BAM at a bios and because Joe Lake in big ponds

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[SPEAKER_02]: He is also wants to bring Azure Wilson to the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now every single team in the WMBA should want to bring Azure Wilson to their team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is not necessarily news to anybody, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's but can they?

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[SPEAKER_02]: And we don't know how the collective bargaining is gonna come out and everything.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So we have no idea what they may try and incentivize

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[SPEAKER_02]: cities to keep their players like the NBA does make it harder for just absolute free agency, which is I don't think that's what the WMBA wants.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But the idea of Asia Wilson to the Valkyries actually was a question.

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[SPEAKER_02]: that I asked, our guy, Conrado, who came on with me on one of the weeks that you were unable to do the show.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And I said, I think the question was something to the effect of, who's kind of the perfect player for what the Valkyries are trying to do.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And like I thought he was going to get super nerdy on me and go, well, this player does this and this is kind of like what coach

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[SPEAKER_02]: Asia Wilson's the best player in in this type of offense, and in probably in any offense.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so we went on this Asia Wilson discussion.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So when this news came out again, Colorado,

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[SPEAKER_02]: me to say, remember this conversation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I was like, yeah, I remember it because the second that I saw that tweet, does the first thing I thought of was Konrados saying, you know, if Joe Lakeup is really trying to make this thing big, he should, he might as well go chase the best player in the league because she fits on any team.

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[SPEAKER_02]: She's like, she'll be the perfect fit for any kind of style that you want to play.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I brought that up, not to try and push this rumor, which can't even be factual for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But I just wanted to mention that we had kind of talked about it.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's so interesting because we've never had this before, right, where a couple who is playing in the NBA end

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[SPEAKER_02]: would be like a package deal for two of the franchises in me and WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's so wild to think of making a deal for one player like Janis is almost impossible.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Can you imagine making the deal with the same owner for two of the bigger fish in both free agent markets of the WMBA and the

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what's more likely is that when the Vegas and Seattle franchise is start going, it's more likely that BAM at a bio goes to the Vegas franchise than it is for BAM and Asia to come to the Golden State franchises, you know, Asia's just Steph Curry, the Dirk, Noitski, the Kobe Bryant, like that's kind of the trajectory she's on of just the same team for her entire career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, you look at like kind of from a competitive standpoint and from a historical achievement standpoint, there are three teams in the WMBA with four titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that being the Seattle storm, the Houston comments and the Minnesota links and Asia and her core of Jackie and Chelsea, they have three now so why wouldn't they go chase that next one so it just doesn't make sense, you know, really in all the categories you could think of besides if she wants to take her brand to the next level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and wants to take her celebrity to the next level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it would make more sense to go L.A. or New York, but I think also if you want to mesh that with, you know, take her celebrity to the next level as well as still being competitive from a basketball perspective and doing what's smart for your basketball career, you know, partnering up with Nat and Akase again, you know, that system would do well for Asia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She would be able to be the top player on the value of, she'd be the top player in any team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Asia with the Valkyries, like you could probably say at the very least, is a round before the playoffs type of right round before the finals type of team like at the floor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think the Valkyries just have the perfect support pieces to play with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Asia.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, from if she wants to take her celebrity and her brand to the next level and feels like maybe that there's a ceiling on that in Vegas, you know, they only, they don't have like their real own arena that play at the middle of ultra, which is inside of a hotel, you know, you have all the amenities with gold that golden state has you have the owner that's willing to pay as much money as she wants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and then from a basketball perspective, like this is a better fit from her For the LA from the LA in the New York markets like that SF market is probably the next tier under those and she still has a better basketball fit like that's when you make sense of it But then you just think about like she's on the Steph Dirk Kobe trajectory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She loves Vegas Vegas loves her And she wants to chase number four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you're just like you just put it to bed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're just like it's over

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think, you know, the only way I could see it happening is if...

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, some of her teammates get lured away with big deals, and it's like Chelsea Gray signed with Toronto, and she's, you know, just took the absolute biggest bag you could take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jackie Young took a bag to play, you know, maybe it's with the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it's just Asia and the Aces did nothing to really build around her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then maybe you could start to see some disgruntled star, but she's the thing, the difference between Asia and Janice and Joe Lake of going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: big fish hunting is that Yannis is disgruntled Asia's not she just want a championship.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, she was kind of disgruntled during the season, but it seemed more about the team not living up to their billing.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And maybe the team just kind of being bored of the regular season knowing that, you know, when they turn up, it is when when the game, you know, when everything's on the line.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And so they were able to do that and, you know, right during the playoffs, they were able to do that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So that seemed to be a little frustration for for them, though, and it could be, you know, frustration from the head coach too, because they when you win championships, you're trying to

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[SPEAKER_02]: create hurdles for your team and your players that don't really exist because, you know, they're the best team or they have the best player.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, the reason why we talk about stuff like this is one.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's kind of fun to think about, but also, like, they're with a WMBA team in the market, with the owner that the lawyers have,

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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm sure they're going to be in the conversation, the Valkyries have the warriors owner.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The warriors end of the Valkyries have the owner of Joe Lake.

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[SPEAKER_02]: The Valkyries are going to be in the conversation for these players like the warriors are always in the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now whether it happens or not, and we saw this last year with KD being like, ah, I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to come back to this place again because I've even though I have great memories, they also called me the, the, uh,

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[SPEAKER_02]: not the bus driver.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think we're going to have lots of these conversations in the future.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Now, you know, do the WNBA or are the WNBA players themselves going to position themselves to be Valquerese or not?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, due to LA, like that seems like it would be the best perfect fit, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: But because we have a draft and the lottery and this and that, it's probably it's not as easy to do and do, you know, will there be players who are like, you know what, I want to play for the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But how do I actually get there depending on how free agency is going to work when they finally do agree to the next deal?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So all those things are to be considered.

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[SPEAKER_02]: But this is fun to think about.

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[SPEAKER_02]: It's fun to kind of dream about what could be or try and piece it together and go, could it actually work this way?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Because we see this in the NBA all the time, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: You had your Jared Jackson thing and then people like Jared Jackson, he's not going anywhere.

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[SPEAKER_02]: And then he gets traded to Utah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So like this stuff does happen.

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[SPEAKER_02]: you know, when you're just kind of talking to the talk.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's kind of great.

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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not sure we'll be back next week.

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[SPEAKER_02]: We may just take the week off because the NBA is taking the week off until the weekend, right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: The like the games don't kick back up again until the following weekend.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that right?

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, something like that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That sounds right.

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[UNKNOWN]: So

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[SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully we'll be able to see some poor Zingus playing with these guys, and then we can talk about that.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_02]: That is it for me here.

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[SPEAKER_02]: For Brian, I'm double G. We will see you when we see you piece out.