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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Golden State hoop, our podcast where we talk about both the warriors and the valkyries, Brian and I are here, apologize for missing last week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a schedule issue and we had to skip but we're back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this will be the only podcast also for a couple of weeks for us because we're taken off Thanksgiving week, but there will be an episode of we want winners next week in case you need your audio fix rod and I will be back, not necessarily Monday night more than likely, probably Tuesday after the 49ers and the Panthers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I woke up this morning thinking, gosh, what are we going to talk about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it just going to be about this three and three road trip?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is there nothing nothing else really going on?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Low and behold, Jonathan Kominga, the content machine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a quote in an Anthony Slater piece that we're going to talk about here in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But where are you right now with the season in general?

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[SPEAKER_00]: this is a weird season for the warriors in that we look at it as when staff and Jimmy and drape play their fantastic and then when they don't play they kind of stink and that's just seems like it's going to be how the season goes for the whole thing like like is this going to be every every week it's going to be they're going to play they will win then they don't play then they get blown out and it's not fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, but they had there have been some games that they they have played in lost, you know, Orlando being the most recent one, like it's not like 100% win rate when those three are available, but it does look like it's 100% lose rate when they aren't like they haven't yet haven't gotten that, you know, coming up pods moody game that's just them and like go figure it out and they haven't figured it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, watch the half of my enemy game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I heard they kept it like three quarters and then there was a It just knew you just knew that was gonna happen like if you wanted to watch it good for you But you knew what scored with the outcome was gonna be I didn't watch much more than you and it was because not because I didn't think that they had zero chance It was because the game sucked they sucked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was hard to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's let let let's open up our Deathline up segment here

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so they have the two fantastic wins in San Antonio.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is the apex of who they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They then have the two games on this at the end of this road trip or Lando and then Miami and that is where the flaws are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now some people will say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Schedule loss, like, old team, any of these back to backs, especially when you really go for it in the Orlando game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you just take that one as an L. And that's exactly what it was, but what I wanted to see is like, okay, now what could they do with these younger players who are looking for opportunities?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now coming is out, so that is part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have been in there, probably a focal point if he was healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that, like, that second team showed zip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Anthony Milton is looking like he's going to be back at some point very shortly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that will help.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's also coming off of a major knee injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's going to take some time for him to get up to speed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you were thinking like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pods is going to show out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or if you were thinking,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know Moses moody and his seventh eight three it was at seven or eight three's against the penalty of whatever it was he's going to show out the answer was no they aren't and not only are they not showing out they're going to look very bad well not showing out because brandy pajemski could not get a shot off

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[SPEAKER_00]: without seemingly falling down or pump faking seven times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, so he was probably getting guarded by a little bit of a harder player than usual.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Moses Moody didn't have the same space without staff or without Jimmy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're thinking that, you know, quitting poster, TJP, where we're gonna have big games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, the answer was, lots of Pat Spencer, like he's seen like he was only kind with any energy whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Almost so it's just, it's just so frustrating to watch this team and you know, it's thinking about it from like the fan aspect, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you are a heat fan, and you're like, oh, Steph is coming to town.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm buying my tickets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This dude is in street clothes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get to see the absolute dirt worst of the Warriors product.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, that was a waste of money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who, all you Minnesota fans thinking that you're gonna see Steph and Jimmy, what a waste of your money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, isn't that kind of their fault

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[SPEAKER_01]: on the second, on the back end of the back end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fans don't look at that as closely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, I think that should be like a, somehow they should be informed of this because I would not have bought that ticket assuming that they'd play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd buy that ticket thinking there's a 40% chance they play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And who knows, maybe if they beat Orlando, nah, I don't think they would have played.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so let's talk a little bit about the San Antonio games, like those were kind of surprises like I just assumed that San Antonio's energy and their athleticism was just going to dominate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you had the Steph Curry factor and if Steph doesn't go off like he went off in both of those games over 40 points in both games, they probably do lose and they probably should have lost that second game even with his heroics, but I forget who he baited into the foul and then he goes out in six to three throws and they win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: at that version of the warriors, where do you think they fit in the race?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you get that version of the warriors, are you still as high on them as you were at the beginning of the season, or do you think that they're more sort of in the middle of the western conference pack?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's kind of been their thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, at their best, they can usually beat just about anyone, but it's just like how often can they bring their best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they're playing like they played against the spurs, I mean, yeah, you're talking second or third team in the West, like they beat the nuggets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if they got whooped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're to yeah, they did you a well, no stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when they play like that, like even in the season when they lost to the Lakers, like I think they had, they had, they had 10 moments where I thought they could be just about anyone and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't know that this isn't a replicable outcome or this isn't like not sustainable, you know, it's kind of the same deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Steph has to go absolutely berserk for them to have a chance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems like that's what has to happen against these like really good teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, against the pelicans, sure he can have a stinker and then Moses Moody can carry them and they can win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But against San Antonio, against OK, see against Denver, against those types of teams, he kind of has to go out against the Lakers, seemingly, who seem to be on top of the you know, playing really well right now too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just not, you can't expect that every single time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if we go back to our offseason conversation, we go back to the conversations we've always had.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, you know, can we get this guy more help?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, we got Jimmy Butler, but now it's like, okay, now it feels like the guys who needed to step up and provide, you know, at least not be a negative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: have kind of been not doing so and being a negative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think I think Pajam's key for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like as although he's a plus on the season, like I feel like it's been very frustrating to watch him specifically the season, which is interesting because most of his totals across the seasons like they're pretty much the same and maybe that's the frustrating thing because he hasn't gotten better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been basically the same across three years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, Kominga,

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[SPEAKER_01]: has, you know, looked really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When it looked really good, when it looked good, it looked really good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when I started to notice that he was settling for shots and, you know, the ball zips around, but when it gets to his hands, it stops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you start to notice that stuff, and then he gets pulled from the starting line up, and then he hasn't played a game since, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to say that this team is a contender when, you know, the bench pieces look like the way they've looked like buddy healed like I was ready to say you can't heal after the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he is a part of the culture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a part of the reason they're winning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy has been awful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been terrible this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can't make a shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't make a shot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What the heck is

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[SPEAKER_01]: because he ain't playing defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's trying, but he's not good at playing defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, so, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think what I've realized, and you know, we said this at the beginning of the season, everyone's excited when the season starts because your team is oh and oh, and you see what the, the new changes are and how that affects the team, and I think we've talked about how, you know, any time Steph plays, it's like a must-watch kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the problem is, is we are now in this reality of forced nights off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you said, when they got Jimmy the idea was okay, now they have a number two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: yet what they're also having to balance is when Jimmy needs nights off and it seems like what Steve is doing is rather than split their nights off so that you have a more competitive team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, nope, we're going to sit them both and we're just going to take the L so that we can prepare better for what's upcoming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe those two wins against San Antonio allowed him to just basically take the L in in some of these games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's been a proponent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been the one kind of pushing the this schedule is unfair.

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[SPEAKER_01]: noise like I feel like I've heard it from him a couple times and you know I've I feel like I've seen it a lot in warriors Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if we talked about it because it's been a while since we've recorded but yeah I think I mean I don't know how big of a deal it is but the warriors have five back to backs and the next you know most back to backs this season is three with most of the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have any do you know the reason for that I actually just learned the reason why they had the most or why they hadn't so many I know there's something always with like California teams have to travel the most but like it is have anything to do with where they geographically are located or no

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure some of it is, but also because of the new TV deals with the peacock in the Amazon Prime, they wanted to feature the warriors in some of those early games to help those services get good games early on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that was part of it as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Steve is like he's right in that

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[SPEAKER_00]: these athletes play at so much of a faster pace these days, that the reality is is that they probably shouldn't have any back to backs, but then if you don't have any back to backs in the regular season, it extends the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you don't have any back to backs in the playoffs, it extends it even more so you would have to cut down the number of games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the owners do not want to take away any of their home game revenue.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is that is the biggest reason why we have 82 games, because they're just so used to having that predictable income.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In some cases, like imagine taking, you know, what would it be?

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go down from 82 to 66 or something, take six home games away from Joe Lake up in these like, oh, we sell every game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a nice chunk of of change.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they would have to get something else and maybe the thing is it's like you just expand the playoff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So more, you know, more teams get in or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the answer would be, but that's why that's why they're never going to cut back on the games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just because the owners don't want to lose their home games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when it comes to that back-to-back, I completely agree.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see a change coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's good for him to be able to voice that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The players association, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: The players association, they could also be more vocal about it and not want it, but then you're talking about the CBA labor stuff with the WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, they could take a look over to the women's side of their league and see that, you know, they're kind of getting things done in terms of, you know, if they're probably not exactly where they want to be, but, you know, this stuff they've been doing, and then, you know, the star players talking and the WMBPA, you know, putting out statements like in the negotiation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it seems like something is working, you know, from the 800 max to now 1.1 million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, and we'll talk about that in the podcast segment, they could take a, they could take a note, a lesson, but the problem is is they make so much money that if you have any labor strife and if you lose any games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is very, it is, you know, LeBron can probably afford to, you know, not get that 50 million, but some of these guys who are making 20 million could, would they want to afford?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where it is, really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they wouldn't, but I mean, they have a little, it's the middle, it's the middle class of the NBA who would have this at the middle class.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They $20 million annual revenue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but they have to they have to figure out like um you know you give and you take like if they are able to reduce the games that means the players have to give up something and I don't like you said like I don't know entirely would that be um but something to think about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay so fast let's fast forward a little bit because they're schedule boats very well for them in the very near future they have a five game home stand that will take them through early December

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they play the trailblazers Friday night at home.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now the trailblazers actually beat them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they are that high energy team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Jimmy and Steph play, I think they would want that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're looking at the schedule reasons, well, they will have Saturday and Sunday off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they will play again Monday against the Jazz.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they will probably want that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Though the game that they're probably circling is Wednesday, the night before Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Warriors and rockets, rockets come down, Katie comes to town, cheese, and you know, that's a game that I'm sure they will circle, and then they could really

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[SPEAKER_00]: go at that thing 100% because they don't play again until Saturday and it's against the pelicans again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So from the original.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But like, sorry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I was just saying from that perspective, you would think that this five game homestand they're going to get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: all of their guys playing and they will attempt to win all of those games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying they're going to win all five because it ends with Oklahoma City, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: a three and two homestead would almost be a disappointment for for these next five games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you want to you want to get for that Portland Tribal that there's team though after a long road trip coming back from Florida and then you have to play this young athletic defensive gritty team like that's probably not not the most ideal but hey finally get a homestead more of

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[SPEAKER_01]: or it was you in pelicans or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, those do need to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does it because I could see a world and where they dropped the Portland game and then they beat Utah Houston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, I guess then I'm thinking of a way they could be foreign one while still dropping that Portland game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see them beat no KC right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That Oklahoma City game, if you have a healthy stuff and a healthy Jimmy, that is a game where you test yourself and you try to figure some things out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you are in that spot in the playoffs, you're gonna more than likely have to play them if you have any success whatsoever in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're gonna have to figure out how to attack them and they're, you know, they're almost impervious to whatever other teams wanna do because they have so much depth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, they are at the mercy of everything else in the NBA, which is the injuries and the depth, and if you lose one player, they have the depth that could afford them to lose Jalen Williams for this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's say they lose Chet, or let's say they lose Heart and Stein.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like those will be things for them to fill.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure they are,

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[SPEAKER_00]: testing out their depth in different ways because they're blowing out all these teams so they're they're figuring it out but they're at the mercy of injuries just like everybody else so all right so we got that out of the way hopefully the warriors go four and one on the next home stand and things are better because they're what are they like nine and eight right now yeah

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we have to talk about the heat magnet of all heat magnets and warriors land, Jonathan Kominga, the Anthony Slater has a piece that came out this morning as of or recording on Thursday, November 20th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the the piece is really about Kominga and Jimmy Butler looking out for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kominga is like the Jimmy Butler project.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy Butler told Slater, I effing love him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he has fans, but I'm his number one because he got all the tools to be great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody just needs to show him how to utilize these tools.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Butler is all in oncoming and they talked about how, you know, Jimmy had, he hosted the team in San Diego earlier in the year and he said that JK called him and said, hey, you know, I'm still dealing with these contract things I'm probably not going to be able to go and Jimmy's like don't worry about it take care of your business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, Jimmy's basically saying that the team is behind JK, 100% they're holding him accountable, the Dreyman statement about this is what JK asked for and now he's got it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're holding him accountable, but there's no, this is according to Jimmy, there's no adversarial relationships or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: People want JK to succeed and they probably know that if JK succeeds, then they will be better off for it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they also, but Slater and talking to Jimmy,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jimmy said, you know, what are you looking for for JK to improve on, you know, is it the shot you we talked about shot selection?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it all these in?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's no, no, we just need to effort win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how we determine success here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the quote that has everybody up in arms is a team source told

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[SPEAKER_00]: which is such an interesting comment because he was taken out of the rotation after a couple of bad games and this is after he was telling Steve that he wants to be coach harder.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why do you, what, where does this comment come from?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of like a weird timing as well because he's currently hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not able to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if he gets over the knee thing, he's gonna be, you know, he's gonna play heavy minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But where do you think the scapegoat thing comes from?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you see a calcami's tweet?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I didn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like basically kind of hinting at the notion that they won those two spurs games without him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I mean, you guys see that stuff kind of went off and you know JK is it's like something to know and like kind of hinting that like they might be better without him even though he didn't say that planly, but he got like JK's agent in his mentions and like talking like it kind of was a whole thing on Twitter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jake is Asian again, come on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's the one guy you shouldn't be saying any of mine to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it has to do, yeah, I think it has to do with those two spurs games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably is that he got pulled from the starting lineup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was playing poorly, but, you know, it seemed like after all this time, he finally was awarded the starting job, and then, because things were looking good, and once things start looking bad, it's immediately him, who's the one that's pulled, and then he gets hurt in those two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: wins happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those two big wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now what if what if his?

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[SPEAKER_00]: bad games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're also the result of this new thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like maybe it could be his knees not feeling great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's trying to play through it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they finally sit him down and now he needs to get healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the last year it was the ankle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so this is not fantastic for him, because you know, ultimately he's more than likely going to get traded.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, he needs to be healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he needs it to show that he can

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[SPEAKER_00]: deal with the season, you know, we saw him guarding Jamal Murray down the stretch in that in that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that is where he shows his length and his ability to stay with guys like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is where he shows some of the skills in his gamer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're like, okay, that's the JK that we need.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if he's not healthy, if he doesn't have

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... his body at a hundred percent then maybe he doesn't feel comfortable or confident in being able to do those things in meeting he falls into that habit so ultimately he needs to get healthy but i don't know if you can call him the scapegoat and i'm not saying anyone's calling him the scapegoat we just have that he feels like it in the quote because

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[SPEAKER_00]: where they need him a lot is when Steph and Jimmy don't play that is where JK can show his value to some of these other teams because when he does get traded guess who is not going to be on his team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Steph and Jimmy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what he needs to do is he needs to prove that when those guys are out he can still do the things that

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[SPEAKER_00]: help a team win and he can't disappear from those games and he can't struggle in those games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to show out in those games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is where I think he needs to see the opportunity because if we believe, you know, every back-to-back that happens one of staff or Jimmy or both is not going

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[SPEAKER_00]: is fantastic with stuff on the court and not as great with stuff off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'd cannot get shot off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Pods can't, you know, he's the pump fake king.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, JK is so valuable in those moments and that's where I think he needs to show out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't, I mean, I guess I mean, I mean, I mean, he's, I guess he's still a young guy and he's seemingly in his feelings a lot according to these quotes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like the true value, someone needs to shake him and go dude, when those guys are off the court, that is when you can prove to these other teams that you can get your scoring on and you can still rebound and you can still defend and that is where you're gonna prove it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I so I don't necessarily like that that that was the comment because it just tells you like he's in his feelings about getting pulled out of the rotation and I don't think or starting line up and I don't think that's what he wants

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[SPEAKER_00]: to promote to some of these other teams if he is looking to build his career somewhere else outside of golden state.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wonder what the messaging is to him like does he know he's getting trade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got to imagine because it feels like we all think he's getting traded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've got to imagine he probably has an idea that he's getting traded.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that guy should just stay off the internet because it's not that that's what I'm wondering is does he think he's scapegoated by the team?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably by the fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's only a little bit of Twitter fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, is it Warriors Twitter?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because Warriors Twitter is very negative on JK and what your Twitter is a very bad place to be like just in general and I'm not singling out like anyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like just a collectively like just not a great environment for like peace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it is, it is wild.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, so I, I mean, I hope, and this is the problem when the agent is all up in the the mentions is he, he, he, he's not helping the scenario, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's creating more of the chaos because the agent believes that the more publicity there is around this thing, the better for JK and the better for JK's market.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not, I'm not sure, you know, if you're Chicago,

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[SPEAKER_00]: who was, you know, they have pieces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you like, yeah, I'm in on this JK thing, you know, all this chaos around him and he's got the best player, one of the best players in the league and he's still not happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, does that mean he's going to be happy if we were to trade for him?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be happy, you know, getting passes from Josh Giddy versus, you know, getting the in open shot because of Steph Curry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, those are the things that they have to be worried about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Sacramento Kings,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, is he going to be happy with Zach Levine and tomorrow deros and taking nothing but mid-rangeers and in three point shots like what is JK doing that scenario, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is the thing where if I'm the agent, I'm just like, nope, JK is here to be the best teammate.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to do all the dirty work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to do all the things that people don't think that he can do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's not going to say a freaking

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[SPEAKER_00]: because that is how we increase his value and his marketability.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't understand this strategy at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yeah, it's something we've seen from him in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, seems like what how he feels will eventually make it out into the, to the ether.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't, yeah, I mean, I just want him to come back and play how he was playing to start the season, hopefully there's less of like, you know, black hole, kind of, and it's not like it's a fool like black hole, like, you know, he's just going to try to cook after the ball gets zipped around him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more so like ball gets zipped around and he has it for three seconds before he decides if he's going to try to shoot or pass it again, and like it needs to just keep zipping around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, like, I think, I think him coming back, I think it'll play out better than, of course, has like, there's like some really rough shooting nights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that will be the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, those were without staff, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, stuff wasn't there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Get to the bucket dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, just get to the bucket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: enough of those midi fades I read in that pop article that like you know Steve was saying he's trying to get rid of that unless it's late in the shot clock and I feel like that hasn't been the case as much in recent games like he's just taken them and they don't look good like the second year when he was in the second year they looked good like now they're just fading like he's not shooting it straight up and they don't look good so

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[SPEAKER_00]: if you could just get him to stop complaining about fouls as well and he and just get back on defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's been doing it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He looks at the referee every time he goes to the hole and he doesn't get any calls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it doesn't work like just like that's another part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, we're we're coming at guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've been coming at guys since 2022.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The coming go watch, we started in 2022 on this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, we're still we're still team

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, on on a team that could use him rather than having a lot of this negativity through the process just it just doesn't work unless his ideas like I just need to get out of here now and I'm trying to create do they're going to get they're going to get.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're going to they're not going to take a bad deal for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to take a good deal for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you need to build up your your marketability.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it for the Warriors talk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's let's go W MBA not a whole lot of Valkyries specific top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: wait wait one more one more one more thing on the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like they should I feel like they should bench pods for Pat Spencer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't watch the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know Pat Spencer almost had a triple double, but I feel like pods has been like so like

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's never had to worry about getting this treatment that J.K. and Moody has gotten where he just gets pulled and there's a reason for that like he I feel like throughout his career hasn't ever really been like a negative like they put him out there he takes charges.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he next charges he kind of knows how to he knows how to you know handle the ball like it's not going to get stolen from him and for the most part who make like the right read whether you know whether

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like even when he takes a shot, he probably should have taken a shot there, it just depends on if it goes in or not and most likely it's not going in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what frustrates me is like the indecisiveness, which maybe, you know, just all those pump fakes and, you know, just trying to sell a call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, just go up man, just go up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just feel like I wonder if like a mentality shift is he's felt like, you know, he has, you know, there's like no threat to his perspective on what you know, it's going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: D Anthony Melton comes back and he's going to take a lot of those pods true the idea Anthony should just I'm just wondering you do it now a Spence with Pat's Fence, but yeah, I went the Anthony comes back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that'll happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the energy of Pat's fence.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hate the basketball player of Pat's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, Adiya, he doesn't do one thing totally like elite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He tried to, he tried to reverse lay up on BAM out of bio yesterday and BAM had nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that BAM almost doesn't even have the chance to be like, what are you doing dude?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was surprising that he even got by baseline on him there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But BAM was just like waiting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, to WMBA, I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, WMBA, let's talk some valks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about the latest update in the CBA and this comes from,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Pickman from the athletic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote that, um, where's the quote here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the league's most recent proposal to the WNBPA includes a maximum salary of more than 1.1 million sources with knowledge of the negotiation told the athletic, which is up from the 850,000,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they were going to jump the minimum salary up to 220 and the average player salary up to 460 now just for comparison the current player maximum is 250 so you would get the minimum salary up to almost what the current player maximum salary is today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about

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[SPEAKER_00]: The NBAs are the WNBA side of things there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And do you think that we are closer to having this negotiation finally completed?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I always bring this up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so people probably get tired of hearing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But when Sabrina Merchant first came onto our podcast, this is kind of what she had predicted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She had predicted for everything to be forexed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the 250 max would turn into a million max.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it seems like we've surpassed that a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I feel like in that regard that we're getting closer,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but still not doing the, it sounds like it's still like a fixed number and it's not scaling up with the league business like it's not with the NBA players have which is what the WMBA players want is like a percentage so that when the league revenue goes up their maxes and stuff will go up year by year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I wonder like you know, it seems like they're very adamant about getting some sort of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if that's all leveraging just to get a higher fixed rate for now until they can, you know, maybe next CBA ask for that scaling idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or would they just say, you know what, that's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And all thanks for upping the the maxes, but how about you lower it and give us the the scale met thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, but I do there's an November 30 deadline now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're 10 days out and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: we'll see if we hit that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see what happens in the next in the coming days because yeah I guess to us like that's what we that's probably that's what I was expecting is what the number to look like expansion is going to be a big deal for the WMBA currently and probably into the future so they are going to build in whatever the expansion draft rules are going to be they will also build that into the next CBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did see Ben noted that

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may only allow five protections for this go around, but we don't need us to be out and raise our involved in that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's no progress.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember, uh, Nat said that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't know if that was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She didn't say that for a certain, but she hinted at that in her exit interview when they asked her about the expansion draft.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's like, we don't even know for a part of it or something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's something along those lines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they still have a lot of work to do, but this, this whole, the salary in the money was going to be the biggest thing, no matter what.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what I wonder, I wish I knew more about how the revenue sharing worked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You you start small with that right like you guarantee whatever this fixed rate is you guarantee that as the minimum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And as, you know, in your next five years, you have these little escalators, if revenue gets to hear, which is what they did in the past way that they were counting the revenue was based on the idea that the owners have to take everything off the top and then you're starting from there, they they probably need to to do it in a little bit of a better way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you create some escalators, because I don't think you should ask for 50, 50 right now, like that is the owner, I don't think they're asking for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't think so either, but that's what the fans are looking at because they know how the NBA works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is because of the fact that the WNBA has been so, I would say more down than up, and they're finally growing now,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't just say, well, now they're growing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the players get everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then they don't have that much leverage yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what if you build in the possibility to have more leverage, if revenues go up, I think you're working towards an agreement that can that can work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's say their their goal is to get to 50 50.

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[SPEAKER_00]: build in a plan of seeing what that looks like and where you have to get to because this league is growing and it's not a top four sport yet, but you want to give players incentive to be able to market the sport in a positive way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And with these minimum salaries being as

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[SPEAKER_00]: maybe these players don't have to play in the off season and they could just really be WNBA players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm sure the, you know, the three on three league wouldn't be happy necessarily about that because they're trying to grow that as well and maybe this project be league is, you know, they're trying to give, you know, big, big cash early on so that it kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: make sure that they exist.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you the WMBA, your whole reason or your value is in, like, let's make sure these are WMBA players first and foremost.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And let's make it worth their while and let and if they get injured,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, outside of our league, you know, that's not really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we want to have incentives for them to stick around and really focus on the WMBA focus on their teams because we need to grow this league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like when when the NBA was, you know, magic and Larry coming to the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: sound like magic and Larry were like, yep, we're playing in the NBA and then we're going to go play in some other professional league because we don't make enough money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, they made enough money to where that they were really interested in building up the NBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the WNBA has to have the same strategy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you make it worth their while as players, that is like half of the battle I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think salaries are very

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this revenue sharing piece like there's got to be a carrot and there's got to be achievable goals in involved in getting them to where they eventually want to go because if they feel like true partners, then they will try and grow the league, just like the owners are trying to grow the league, that's what the partnership is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like I feel like this is being seen as like trying to make like an MBA analogy, but or like a sports analogy, but like you know how like let's say like Cooper flags averaging like 15 points right now and let's say like Brandon Pajemski is also averaging 15 points or like buddy heel does also averaging 15 points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In this scenario like this should be a one for one swap like your averaging 15 buddy heels averaging 15.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's make the swap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in reality, there's this thing called potential and, you know, like obviously the Mavericks would never accept any type of deal, even though they're, even if Buddy was averaging 16 points, you know, it would still be you have to give up the house and more for this, this prospect that we expect to eventually average 30.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like that's kind of how they're looking at the negotiations right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like here's what you've done.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think if they don't do this, they do this fixed rate that doesn't scale with the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: By the next CBA, I think the players will have definitely lost money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that you can project for this to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know a top American sport like for sure top five like maybe top four sorry NHL but you know like I think you could buy the next time this is negotiated again like there's something called potential you could project for this stuff and you could guess this stuff and it's just it's just like a what have you done for me now I guess it'll up to this point um

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The players are totally.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think advertising.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've just been like the 800.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think was just a slap to the face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think negotiations have been a slap to the face up until probably the most recent one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm interested to see how they respond to this because they haven't put out a statement yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's been pretty radio silent from the player's association perspective since we've gotten the report of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see what their strategy is for

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[SPEAKER_00]: What that looks like now again negotiations you don't want to have your negotiations and public But I'm actually very interested in what are some of the things that they want because if you go back to the last CBA They got some things put in that they cared about and so now they're building from there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah Yeah, I think what they want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's been pretty publicized.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just you know the the salaries and Ross response and I think Kathy has had the idea and I think this was in the ESPN piece that I read that Kathy has kind of been like look we're gonna add Ross's response

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[SPEAKER_01]: via expansion teams and not by current existing rosters extending, you know, 12 spots to 14 or 15 or something, which I think the players want the latter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want the current spots to get, you know, more spots as opposed to just saying, well, here's, you know, two new expansion teams, which is 24 roster spots, that's how we get it done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm more so talking about what is the revenue share piece look like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Joe, Joe, like a probably made a good chunk of change just by them selling out every game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But what about the Connecticut sun?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did not sell out every game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They may move their team so the revenue actually looks much different for their team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So how do you...

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I'm sure you're kind of averaging out the revenue from each team's and looking at it that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I want to see what the what the players think the plan should look like because you can't go to the NBA and so we want that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You haven't proven that that is where you're going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to prove that a little bit more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe that's what this CBA is for is proving that you can continue to grow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're the WMBA, we've been hearing that the WMBA was next since 1997, and so how many years ago was that to now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where they were kind of on the bubble, and then something would happen, and then you wouldn't hear about them anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they're over that bubble, I think, but are they a proven success?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can they take it to the next level?

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[SPEAKER_00]: None of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think because I think you would guess that you would bet on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would, I don't think that they're going to be bigger than hockey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not in the next five years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Top five, I don't even know what it looks like right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing those are the four, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: NBA NFL NBA MLB NHL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm guessing those are the four, but I'm just I'm not even really saying to guess if they're going to be a top four American sport.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying like you wouldn't get better on them to take a step back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You wouldn't bet on them to stay where they stay put or where they're at like you'd bet on them to you know increase revenue get more fans like I would I would I think you'd be crazy not to

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but what is the what is the maximum though?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what was the ceiling?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the part that we don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of it is because of the current media ecosystem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The UFC signed an insane television deal for their shows with paramount plus the WMBAs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: media deals are much smaller by comparison, and you wouldn't say that the UFC was a top four sport in the US, but monetarily the amount of money they bring in is insane and to paramount to paramount and to David Ellison, and

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, he overpaid, of course, but like that was a big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't see that same deal being applied to the WNBA right now, maybe in five years, maybe if Caitlin wins a couple of championships and the ratings go through the roof, then you re-examine and go, okay, like this is where the possibilities can go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, they had two good seasons in a row, and I would think that they're going to keep ticking up and up and up and up and up, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are they going to go from where they are now and then through the roof next year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going through the roof, but I mean, yeah, I guess it wouldn't be like in insane boom, like say when Caitlyn came to the league, like, I wouldn't be expecting that type of boom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I think what you'd bet is you'd bet on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: some of the players coming in to have not Caitlyn like jumps, but smaller jumps like when Juju comes into the league, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: She's going to be a really big deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, other players who

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[SPEAKER_00]: who are kind of earmarked, you know, this year, you know, maybe not like as far as star power because they don't have the same visibility as a juju, but you're looking for who those next, you know, those next Caitlin's or juju's or pages are going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're kind of earmarking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's why we, you know, we were paying attention to Jazzy and Alia.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Chavez because we're like, oh, what's their potential going to be like, that's why you pay attention to that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and to add on to that, like, from who's betting on them, like, I'm just betting on them, you know, with fake money, but like NBA owners have put in $250 million expansion fee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they clearly think this is going up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's some are you betting on Kathy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of are who your ownership is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the Tim Calakami.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, thing is, is you are who runs your league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you betting on Kathy?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I mean, Kathy's probably good from an ownership side, but I just, you know, the players don't seem to like her, but these players seem to more not stand for shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe some other leagues players would like they would just like be like whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like these players are more outspoken about, you know, how they feel like if this was the NBA, like I think Kathy would be great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you, are you watching any college basketball right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: women's college basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't really dreamed of what I've been saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, UCLA is like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of feels a little like last year like I think they're going to have like five to six players drafted this year in the WMBA draft but I don't bet on them to be in the championship game like it's kind of I don't know I just I'm I think Lauren bets is a good player but I'm just not bought into the six seven build your offense around like the six seven player type of deal like I maybe that works more I think it works more in college and it doesn't W anyways but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who, like Michigan had that good game against Notre Dame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched them really, yeah, they crushed them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched a game for NC State versus TCU, which is Olivia Miles, TCU versus this non-Senaya Rivers or as I had James, NC State.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they want TCU one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't been as tapped in as I wanted to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I haven't watched you can't play this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I've heard that Sarah Strong looks far in a way, the best player in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I need to watch whatever game I think it was on the head of game on like peacock then I need to watch that I think is available to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And just a quick valkyries note you you shared in our discord and if anybody wants to join the discord send me an email gg at BSPNmedia.com about Veronica Burton joining the three on three US national team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is that is after the Olympics, like trying to qualify for the Olympics?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I think they have like the, I think the WMBA is taking a break this season midway through for what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the world like the cup, something cup?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the world cup?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that what it is?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or the fever, the fever cup?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've, that's probably what it's for, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just saw what you shared.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't, I didn't really read too much into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So until the CBA signed, you know, the, the, the discussion around the Valkyries is going to be a little lighter, but once it gets signed, this, the pot, hola portion of our podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's probably going to be really crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, quickly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I hope we have to, I mean, we have to talk about the five that we're protecting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We should try to have a guest on to like just try and guess who we think the five that we're protecting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because my five is probably different than your five and seems to be different than most of our discord, the people in the discord's five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I've seen so much people are down on Carla.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, she's so young too to to give up on her so early would be I think would be a mistake But I think it's I I mean, I'm looking at it also from like the just the contract perspective is like she has she's on the books for three years Well when everyone is a free agent like that's the contract you want to protect yep so yep

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we'll be back not next week unless something crazy happens and we can find some time on the weekend to record because we are going to be in Arizona together, hanging out for Thanksgiving.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but like I said, if this CBA get signed, the at least the pod Holla portion of this podcast will be kind of wild and crazy and you know, the Warriors got a very.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very newsworthy five game home set when you play the rockets in the thunder at home those are big games and then hopefully the other games You just take kick-take care of business and then don't have to worry about those But if they do lose one of those games I think there's gonna be some discussion amongst warriors which one of the bad ones are one of the good ones One of the bad ones, and you know if you lose if you lose to the rocket It'll be disappointing if you lose to the thunder you're kind of like a you just take the L

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you lose to Portland or the jazz or the pelicans in any way, shape or form, because of there's no excuse, unless they're unless someone gets injured, but there's no excuse for the actual, you know, schedule, it's actually very favorable, that those will be problematic, I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, for Brian, I'm WG, we will see you when we see you piece out.