Jonathan Kuminga Trade Watch, WNBA CBA 'Status Quo' | Golden State Hoop

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the first gold state hoop of the year, the new year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk some warriors, of course, got to talk John, think of Manga.

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[SPEAKER_00]: John, think of Manga.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, one of the things I'm going to be sad about when they trade him, he's like the best podcast topic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Since we've been doing this show, like if you look at the views on on some of our videos, like a lot of like the ones that do the most views are Jonathan coming related, which is really funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll also talk about the current warriors and how we feel about them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not quite halfway through the season, but we're pretty close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a good number of games to see how they're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the WNBA, the CBA, the deadline is actually Friday, and there's been some news and some quotes about whether or not anything is going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll talk a little bit about unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to watch a couple of actually I got to watch the first game from the the start of the new season and we'll talk a little bit about that and then Brian and I went to see Jazzy Davidson.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got to see some Stanford hoop as well and we can talk about that at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We went to the to the Bay Area Women's Classic in the

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[SPEAKER_00]: How like where are you at with with your current fandom like where you have you've been watching a lot of warriors have you taken the holiday off or you keep it up with any women's college hoop like where were you at right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely have been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Taking the holiday off and that bit me in the butt because I needed to do this show and I felt very behind and it was the first time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe like four or five years that I've missed warrior's games that I don't plan on watching back on my DVR.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I watched highlights, which I very much against because I feel like you learn a lot in the misses and you learn a lot in the turnovers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like I've missed a chunk of warrior's basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Since I think the last game I watched

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[SPEAKER_01]: was the Toronto game where they blew it in OT.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I went in person to that terrible OKC game, but since that Toronto game, it was all highlights like today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, I turned it on from time to time, but if I'm doing something else, like I'm not completely locked in, then I feel like I'm wasting my time and like I can't multitask properly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yeah, no, I feel gross about it, but I've genuinely have all today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brooklyn, Charlotte, Utah, was at OKC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't need to watch that one back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Clippers, bucks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just 15 minutes is the YouTube highlights.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's just straight two hours right before at 3 p.m. before this podcast is when I started and then now we're starting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I've been watching highlights of every single game since with college,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a more only of marquee matchups.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll try to tune in, so but like I'm not going to watch UCLA versus, you know, a college I've never heard of.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be used to the labor versus North Carolina.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll watch that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll watch ranked matchups and not you don't get that like you'll get them from time to time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually Sunday is like a big day for women's basketball on last Sunday was a big day for women's basketball women's college basketball and I I watched a couple try to watch a couple games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: watch Iowa State versus was it Baylor?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was Oregon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I forgot who I kind of forgetting I found my head, but that was a good game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But no, definitely have taken the holidays off in terms of watching hoops needed to maybe I probably need it too, but I don't give myself much excuse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm going to have to catch up eventually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of the problem is that just this

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we want to watch everything stuff like we understand how special he is as a player and you know that he's has more games behind him than he has in front of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I missed the, I missed the clippers game and the most of the reason I missed it is because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I was talking to your brother and he was kind of keeping me updated with the play by play and then when Steph fouled out I was like, okay, that I don't want to rewatch that have to sit through those emotions of him failing out because then you just know games over and I guess they did play okay until the end and then they missed the last shot, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I think it's just there's a little bit of a malaise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like, and this is a product of their success and we'll switch gears here and we'll switch over to the deadline up in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a product of their success that they are 2018 right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, woopy, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if the giants were 2018.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, you're a baseball fan, you're like, okay, like, there's some promise here, but for the warrior to be 2018, it's like, oh, they must be kind of bad, like, we're used to a better team, even though Bob Fitzgerald was trying to tell me yesterday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that this is a much vastly improved warrior's team on the new players that they have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, personal wise, comparing warrior's team to warrior's team, you might be right, but I think the league has actually improved a little bit while the warriors are a little bit and quick said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's not, it's not fun because they do look like the old team out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's get to, let's start talking warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's turn it on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a deathline of time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Jonathan Kominga experience is almost over depending on when they actually do trade him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The eligibility opens up a week from today, actually.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The 15th is next Thursday, and that is the first time that they are able to make a trade with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That doesn't mean that that's going to be the day that it happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It has to happen this year by the trade deadline, or else,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It won't happen again until the off season, but where are you with the comming a conversation and do you think this thing is going to get done sooner than later?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where it where else is there to be in the comming a conversation like what other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know avenues what other takes can you have about it like he needs to give me I see I see some takes where they're like why is any playing like there is that take there's not I don't think I think there's the smallest amount of people left on coming to island right now though in history of John the coming to hasn't been officially reported that he

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[SPEAKER_01]: just also doesn't want to play for this team anymore like he like he doesn't plan on doing it remember that okay see game that i went to that was opportunity for him to get extended run and he had the late back injury that curse seemed to know nothing about so i is this like i don't think he's ever gonna play for this team again even if he if there's it's even if he can like even if her puts him in like i don't think he's gonna play i we haven't seen a report

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[SPEAKER_01]: And okay, I thought I might be saw something on Twitter if someone just guessing, but I mean, this thing needs to get done as soon as possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It needs to get done on the 15th, but I don't think it will.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it'll drag a little bit, just wait, everything's felt like it's dragged with this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like literally since he's been a rookie, everything's felt like it's dragged.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I imagine that that's probably going to be the case here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it gets done on the day of the deadline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I hope it gets done sooner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think kind of your point earlier, I was felt like a malaise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like these past two years I felt like that in terms of, we know it's not serious until the deadline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, sure it matters right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they're 2018, they're putting themselves in a position and maybe make another run like they did last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it genuinely feels like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this team is a first run exit, but we'll see what happens after the plan after the trade deadline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If there's any substantial moves made and that's how I felt last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, it feels like we're in that position again to leave he's got to make some magic and, you know, you have this guy who makes 20 to 25 whatever he's making, like, let's see who you can get and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I mean, I hope it gets done as soon as possible, but I think it's just interesting to me like what teams would want him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are the what are the deals that are even out there there was the report by Anthony Slater that said that his trade equity or his value has actually gone down and that in the off season part of the king's package was a protected pick and now they've pulled that protected pick according to his report.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is how far his value has gone down at least

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[SPEAKER_00]: We haven't heard it's not like there's a report every day that says this team is interested in Jonathan Kominga.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a small number of teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've heard about the kings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's uh, there was some stuff on plus minus with Tim in uh, is it Danny Emerman?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Danny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and they were talking about trade possibilities and

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's always the Jeremy Grant one that is out there, Portland is not far off from from the Warriors right now, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In a dead season for them, they're only like a couple games behind the Warriors and the race for the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they own the tiebreaker, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Beat them three times every single time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what have you heard?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Has there been ones that are out there as far as reports, even bad reports?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I haven't seen any knowledgeable NBA reporters that we trust go on the record as saying what coming is worth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, or who's interested in it, so yeah, so that's why I'm saying it, it just feels like it's all guess work, but we know that there was a Sacramento Kings interest last year, and and maybe that still exists, but I just like what is the value what what what what what do you think the words could actually get for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wasn't there like some, you know, this, like some type of credible reporter saying something about a warrior's Anthony Davis thing, and that Dallas actually likes Kaminga.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time Anthony Davis has mentioned with the warriors, it says there is interest, but it's unlikely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's every story that I've seen mentioning Davis, it just says on, it's unlikely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm guessing,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the warriors don't want to put a bunch of picks in for somebody who will possibly get hurt, though if you subtract five or six years, he's like the perfect player that the warriors would have loved to have grabbed back in the day, but they were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: they were already winning championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they didn't have to make a trade like that back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the Lakers did for for for that bubble season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he would have been the perfect player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I think, you know, people would have dreamed for an Anthony Davis and Steph Curry team up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But today, not the same Anthony Davis, this this dude, um, messed up his eye last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, uh, on Christmas

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is, that is, that is the risk, I mean, this is available.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a warrior's team that's kind of already dealt with, you know, the worries of having an older roster and, you know, Dramons held up, think Jimmy's missed a game here and there, but you had that stuff extended absence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You barely have had a war for this year, so I mean, I think just doing that is just like literally hoping that, you know, you hit Blackjack like five times in a row at the casino if you get Anthony Davis, because you just need him to stay healthy and when it matters most, but I don't think it's not seeming like it's going to be something that's like, you know, Jimmy Butler like last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it's going to be something more muted, but I think it's still going to help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I mean, yeah, listening to Kawakami and Emermon talk about who Emermon thinks it was just like the most unsexy conversation ever because he's just talking about like roleplayers Jay, my guy Jay, our guy from the summer league years and years ago we're like, who is this guy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a man, Jeremy Grant, I think, with suck because I think he's on the books for like three years at a high number or what was a high number when he signed I don't know what that looks like now, at least he could score the problem would be and maybe if you believe in your defense because the way you're still technically are a really good defense though I wonder how much that has to do with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of how slow they play these days like they like they do not play like some of these younger faster teams So I wonder how much of that is related to their defensive metrics, but they you know They're like a top five defense and then they're like a bottom 10 offense Yeah, I think I just checked it right now and just off of rating their eighth and defense And they are like 19th and offense 19th and off eighth and defense 19th and offense and I wonder how how much

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if their offense was better, like by a little bit, like does it get easier to play defense?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause it feels like you're always playing defense on defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you're just like, you know, playing because of a bad offensive trip and you're kind of playing at a disadvantage already.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder having a better offense, you know, gets you into more of a set defense and then you could even be better defense with a better offense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've heard the Michael Portage, yeah, the Michael Portage Jr thing is the one,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like last year it was he was not to say that he was the fall guy in Denver, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they won the title with Michael Porter Jr. last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they played really well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, he's a guy who the fit seems to be really, really, really good, but then he's also got the injury stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then it's quite possible he might also be a little bit of a knucklehead, but he's just a young dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I mean, I would swing for it, but how many picks do you give up, which is the question?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's what Brooklyn is searching for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're going to trade him,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is they're searching for picks, that's what they want, and the warriors, you know, they could give up some, but you're basically going all out for these last few years in your sacrificing everything, which I think a lot of fans would be fine with that, because they just want to see some winning basketball at the end of these deaf years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not, I think those warriors draft picks should be very highly valued post-staff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, of course, anything could happen and they can just get lucky in free agency and, you know, like, then those picks aren't as good but like, you don't know that now and you think when Steph's gone, this team's gonna suck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So those draft picks should

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, team should should value them highly and if I'm the warriors like I'm with you like I'm with all the fans too, like it should be we should be willing to give these up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To chase something at the last step years like it's insane that he's still playing like this so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you've heard the Michael ported junior you've heard the trade Murphy like those to me like feel like my dream pickups you go tray over MPJ though, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: probably, but there's just something about the way the MPJ score in the ball right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just like, I, the the lawyers need need that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the AI steps going and saying, you know, when Jimmy Butler gets the ball and he's assertive, like I think good things happen, but there's just so many guys on this roster that start

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[SPEAKER_01]: Quentin posts and Moses Moody that are like if I could describe it like they're the they're the they're the ending of a warrior's offensive possession if we could like split warriors offensive possessions up into three phases like there's the start when Steph Curry has the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he either has the opportunity to come off of a screen and shoot, but most likely he's coming off of a screen and passing to a Dramon or a guisantos in the middle of a possession because he's getting doubled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're sending two at steps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now we're in phase two of the warrior's offense and and Dramon and and gui can either

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[SPEAKER_01]: pass the ball to the corner, go up with a shot or pass the ball to a cutter and phase three is where I feel like the ball usually ends up in in a wide open Moses moody or Quentin pose them a left corner and I just feel like that's where they have to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think about who they are as players, like they obviously can't be phase one, because steps the reason they're getting that attention phase two, like I don't feel like they're confident with the ball in their hands to make a play there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to be the stationary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: shoot and that's all they could do like what if Moses moody gets the ball he's not going to take someone off the dribble he's not he's just literally a catch and shoot shooter and it's slow too so it's frustrating when he actually has the ball and most people could put up a shot but his shot is slow and he knows it so they're able to close out and then he has to stop and think about what's do plays over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I feel like they need more people that can be dynamic with the ball in their hands like a melted you can tell Steph wants him to start to like just re re hearing what he's saying at the post the presser and Steve is pretty adamant that

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[SPEAKER_00]: He is still a 25 minutes per game guy and there may be some opportunities in the near future to push him to 30 but also they want Melton to be there for the playoffs wherever they land in the playoffs and if you push him too hard now, then maybe he doesn't make it to the playoffs so I get that mentality to understand that yeah, but yeah, I mean,

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you just have two guys like Moses and Quinn that like I don't think they're bad players by any means, I just don't think they're starter caliber players and they're so limited to what they can provide offensively just having a guy like Michael ported junior who can you know just do so so so many things on offense so like well like I think that would just be a breath of fresh air for this warrior's team that

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of tough to watch them on off and sometimes, and it really looks like when I went to that okay see game especially in an okay see game that you look back on and it's like if they kind of went for it like could they have beaten this team that struggles that loses by a ton against Charlotte goes OT to the last possession against Utah like could the warriors of snuck a game there if they actually played Steph Drain Jimmy like maybe, but you know of course the okay sees the gold standard, but it's just okay see does one thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then they have the warriors on their back foot and they are just so good at capitalizing when it teams on their back foot like for the warriors so basically their buckets come easy the warriors buckets come hard but the warriors can get a team on their back foot because you have Steph and Curry and it's how do you take advantage once it teams on their back foot and they just don't have many guys who can take advantage of what of when that happens

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm in, I like, all this to say, like, yes, train Murphy because he could shoot from three, he could shoot deep any place a little bit of defense, but just having Michael Porter Jr. who's a better offensive player than tray, like, maybe, you know, maybe that is the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we're saying this and we don't even know if coming good, like, can net you any of these guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've said since the start, I don't know why,

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[SPEAKER_01]: New Orleans would want to get rid of tray, maybe if it just gets them a ton of draft eggs and maybe, but I don't see how coming to help to their team and you have, you know, Derek Queens kind of playing well, not like like he's had spurts and then Zion's kind of starting to play well too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like why wouldn't you want dream or feel like you know they have coming back for that team, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Did y'all jump to a Murray and the only reason I know that is because he's sitting on the IR on my fantasy basketball team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be to get an MPJ or a tray Murphy and I just I coming a seems like it I can't imagine these teams going like you know what that guy's going to be great right now because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it is, okay, the Warriors hadn't been haven't done a great job at really creating opportunities for these young players, but some of it is also like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How if you believe he's a winning player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Warriors have been a winning team that made a championship team since his rookie season, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How does he not fit?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that is the thing that I would be really worried about if I was trading for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In some instances, you might talk yourself into, well, Curtis and like him, and if Curtis and like him, he's gonna lean towards Vets and they just don't do a good job there, I could see that and maybe they're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other side of that is, well, couldn't come in,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Kominga is good, shouldn't he have fit in in some way and helped the team, even if he wasn't going to be like a top two or three player on the team?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's an argument that I would be a little worried to trade for him about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And also, if more than one player has to go, if it's Kominga and then somebody else from this roster, who is that somebody else?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it Moody?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he also getting no run.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're trading two guys who are continuously getting D&Ps and those guys are going to be valuable trade pieces at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess it's just money then and then the picks are what you're really trading and that's what the cherry on top is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it looks like though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think with the way melt in this playing, if I'm another team, I might try and steal melt from the

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I guess, then you have to start it would depend where you are it if you are a playoff budding team like maybe like Portland, then you might want someone like Melton, but if you're if you're the pelicans or if you're Brooklyn, then you don't really care because Melton's only on a one-year deal anyways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think, you know, the three teams that I feel like have registered semi interest in Kominga, like I feel like I've seen some type of reports are Sacramento, New Orleans, and Brooklyn, and do you think they all three look at each other and do the Spider-Man pointing name and like we're all like not smart teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you be seeing something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If we're the only three teams that are interested in Kominga, I think they have like a combined like five to seven playoff appearances since I start to have like memories of basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they've just been bad

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[SPEAKER_00]: somebody from the warriors needs to leak that Denver is interested in Jonathan Kominga.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's exactly what needs to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is part of the thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like this is also why I'm not really sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The lawyers may have to take 75 cents on the dollar here because they've created this problem for themselves.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was the whole standoff thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was the whole restricted free agency thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We believe you have value and thus we're not going to acquiesce to something that is beneficial to you and not beneficial for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now it may actually turn the other way like maybe he was a bigger trade ship in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he totally what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's out of the question now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I think, you know, and I think

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[SPEAKER_01]: like Steve plays a part into this into tanking his value, but I mean, I think Kirk couldn't have been more clear of like just based on what he's done in the past, like nothing's going to change here and they were still like, oh, let's put him back on this roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the numbers still look good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny, like looking at this starting line up that Kermit, a point to be like, you know, we're going to roll out with moody, post, Steph, Jimmy and Dre and that's going to be our starting line up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At lineup still a minus 17, most of coming as lineups with our top guys are in the plus.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's, yeah, I don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's clear now that it's his values for sure less than than what it was in the summer because he hasn't played basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why it's the what did you do for me yesterday league like that's kind of how your values based so of course it's going to suck I think maybe doing what you got for like the what they got for wise men sure ends up feeling like a steal at this point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was four second round picks that turned into GP which at the time felt like you're paying getting like one cent on the dollar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just hope it doesn't end up like that with Komingo where it's like we literally just got like what mean I guess there's not many teams I could just take on 25 million dollars without giving anything back but of like a dollar value but yeah like like getting getting kind of nothing back for Komingo just to clear a salary spot doesn't like that would be worst case scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think the let's say they don't get any value or they don't get the value that they want from him and and they're going to be stubborn about him and they're going to hold him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're basically saying we're running it to the end with the squad that we have now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the theory would be, well, if you look at the end of last season, when we played well together, we showed what we could do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's Al instead of Kovon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the hope also is that Al stays healthy and that he can play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He played pretty well against Milwaukee, I thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: buy the deadline and they just they're running it back with this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do they end?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably where they are right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're eight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're 10.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're 20 and 18 in the eight spot in the west, which is play play and time again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's kind of where they've been since they've won the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've been succeed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've been they've seen they missed the playoffs entirely in the nine 10 or whatever they were like, you know, it's kind of been where they

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[SPEAKER_01]: have been for the past couple of years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The rockets are at six, which is the cut off, and the wars are four games behind the rockets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are actually behind the suns right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The baby suns with the Devon Booker at 22 and 15.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been playing well lately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They almost beat Houston, and they beat GoKC the night before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The lakers are probably going to fall back down a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They started out so well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they still have, they're still five and a half cans of all the lawyers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Tim Calcami mentioned one thing in that same podcast with Danny Amirman, where he was saying he doesn't think the lawyers are out of the Jonas business.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, in order for the lawyers to be in the Jonas business, they have to have all of their assets ready to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, if you make any trade, if you make any trade that includes any first round picks for in this coming that deal, you're probably out of the honest thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, but is it worth just wasting this year for a chance at him in the off season?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what you have to talk yourself into if that is the plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to believe you have a great shot to get him to do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, is that staff say, hey, man, what's going on at the all star break?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's like, I don't know, by then, by the all star break, I think it's already too late, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the trade deadline is does it end like right for the all star break?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's too late by the all star break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I wonder if stuff would do that though, because that means he's trading.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dramon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I just don't know if he's ever been, yeah, he's trading.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tramon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he checks in and does that, so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's got to be okay with it by then, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, he had Dramon's his boy, will always be his boy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I guess I just don't think he's done it in the past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess he did do it last year a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess he knew that Wiggins would have to be moved in any type of deal and he did do it last year a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe, but Dramon's just a whole different beast than Wiggs in terms of just like betrayal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jermon getting kicked out of that game either day was so ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He should not have gotten booted from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't want where he's yelling out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's yelling at the ref and then whomever, I don't know if it was Mark and in or Philopowski or someone just dunking where he's supposed to be because he's yelling for three seconds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I looked and I was like, hmm, maybe it was three seconds, but maybe it wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's and it's if you haven't even have to wonder that it's never three seconds because because they always give you probably it should be called the four second rule if they're being honest they give you four seconds but dream on's right like there are some times where they're in there for a long time and maybe he noticed one earlier in the evening and yet balanced I don't know if he should have gotten this second tech as quick as he got one I don't think he expected that he was any get one there either and then they found a courage

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and Yannis was just talking, just letting him know and Drake didn't really, like, I'm some of it was I'm sure Drake wanted to make sure that he stayed in that game because he saw it as winnable, but it's not like he, like, puffed his chest, I don't know anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just like, I'm good, like, just keep coming it, I'm just going to play you well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He picked, Drake picks and chooses who he yells at for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that means sneaky good win against Milwaukee, because it's, I mean, that clippers, I know they kind of have their number, but just like, losing without harden,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a tough loss, and then they just like a, you know, a two nice later, like a really good win against a box team that, you know, plays well when you honest is there like they have a good record when you honest place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I don't know what to make it this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you like I don't think you do either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's just if what it feels like is it feels like a crown hogs day is just what it just feels like the same team over and over and over again no matter what they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's talk a little bit about the WMBA CBA and all of that negotiation with Pot Hallow here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the update from Ben Pickman today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote, despite Fred, Friday's deadline approaching neither the WMBA nor the Women's National Basketball Player Association has offered an extension of the collective bargaining and agreement to the other party, now that that was this morning, Thursday morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He says it remains possible that the two sides could agree to extend the deadline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For a third time, the lack of progress indicates that sides appear to be heading toward either a status quo period, which we'll get to that in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where work conditions, working conditions remain the same, or an actual work stoppage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: that status quo, I actually hadn't really heard that as it pertained to workstopidious stuff, but Alexa Filipu, who's a NBA WMB reporter,

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[SPEAKER_00]: said that Brianna Stewart told reporters today at unrivaled that she has been told a new CVA extension will not be agreed upon by the January 9th deadline, but the expectation is for the two sides to continue to negotiate in good faith in that scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The current CBA would both, or would expire, but both sides would enter a status quo period, in which the conditions would be maintained and the league and the union could continue negotiating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would open the door for a potential work stoppage, either a strike initiative by the players, or a lockout initiative by the owners, and for whatever its worth, the league is has not been considering a lockout.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've had these two deadlines and they're just like, we could have another deadline.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now they're like, well, maybe we don't need a deadline because we'll just say that things are just gonna stay the same, but then why did you need to push the deadlines back last time if you don't need to push the deadline back at this time?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the part that I don't really understand about where things stand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you see that the WNBPA's Instagram profile picture is an hourglass?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty hilarious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then in the Fisa Collier, you know, she's a quote machine this off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like, we know what we're doing with unrivaled.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, bring more people to the table, man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we're not, you know, basically saying that we're no pushovers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We, we understand how hard it is to run a league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're not, you're not holding this one over us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the lack of productiveness, I guess, is kind of frustrating.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Ben Pickman wrote in a, they did like predictions for the 20, 26 season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ben said, he's like, there's going to be an agreement,

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[SPEAKER_00]: they'll have games starting on time it may be a rush but this is my prediction that they have game and then but then he also just wrote this article so it doesn't sound fantastic and it actually sounds

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[SPEAKER_00]: like it could get uglier because Nefisa has been very verbal and negatively verbal, I haven't seen a lot of that from Brianna Stewart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She seems like she's, you know, kind of speaking the right language.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've seen the comments from Caitlin Clarke who's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: we're going to get what we deserve, but we also need to get back out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know what to think this go around other than to say it doesn't feel like it's much different than the last time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I just don't know how many times you can continue to push it out a month before you make a decision on what both sides are doing here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think it's easy to bet that this one is it easy, but I doesn't feel like there's an extension coming this time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I saw a report from Christina Williams, she reported that as CBA negotiations continue, the WNBPA has launched player hubs, a global network of training sites in universities and athletic facilities in the US and Spain giving WNBA players access to courts, weight rooms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: recovery spaces when team facilities are unavailable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the locations include Stanford, Berkeley, UNOV, WMPPA, New York office, Bay Club Network, lots of Bay Area in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, is that not like posturing like we're ready?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like lockout time we're ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's interesting to me because I've always been pro player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but even in our discord, there's been, I wouldn't say people saying they're pro owner, but it, but there's been a little bit of a conflict of like, well, what if the players really proven like, why are they holding out so hard?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't, like, if we, it'll almost to say that if the, the season gets pushed back, they would blame the players over the, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These current players have to pay for the lack of leverage that the previous players had, I think is pretty silly, because it's almost like the fans, some of the fans expect the players to go, we're just so happy to have this league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw that it was growing these last couple of years, and we know that the WNVA has never made a profit,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like to me, if I'm a current player, I don't care what the WNBA of Yesteryear really did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I care about what's happening now because that is where you're looking for now and into the future.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not sure these players need to, you know, need to be okay with

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[SPEAKER_00]: the cries of poverty by these franchise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, we get it for 30 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This thing has been run well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we want to partner with you so that it is run well and that we are going to market the hell out of this thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where I see from the players side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When do you ever cry for rich people in these things, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, do you think the players are rich like these owners are wealthy?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm always going to lead player on that and plus the

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're on the court like I paid a you know as much as we like Joe Lake up I want to watch Veronica Burton I don't really care if Joe Lake up sitting front you know I respect what he does but it's the it's actually the product on the court that I want to represent or I want to back so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just an interesting thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you see, you can see where fans lean.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it almost makes me wonder, you because everybody has a job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It almost makes me wonder like who, like in your own job, like, are you just happy to be there or you think you're, what do you think your value is or what kind of leverage do you have?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or are you just like, oh, I'm so thankful to have a job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I mean, people could be in different scenarios and I'm not saying one is better than the other,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If what they think about this labor agreement is kind of how they think about their own, you know, careers and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, I mean, it kind of does feel like it's starting like the more it kind of drags like I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like people are going to be like, okay, I was with the players, but this is getting a little extensive year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with the players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like I've been very vocal about that on this podcast that I'm I'm of the belief that this is going to be a top American sports league

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, by the end of 2030, like this will be top what for, I don't know, like jump MLB or NHL, like I don't know, or just one of the, the beat, it could be NFL MBA and then what MLB and then W MBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, I don't think you believed that, but I'm making that as my hot table would be amazing if that happened by the way, it just feels like the momentum is sky high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the players that come in are more talented than ever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's, you know, you felt it in the building.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just felt like some of those, I know I'm not every arena feels like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure the Bay Area was a little bit of an exception just based off the newness, based off of how we love basketball and especially, you know, wanted to celebrate women's basketball, like I'm sure it's a little unique, but it just felt like it was,

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[SPEAKER_01]: like they've said it on the broadcast it was louder in balkyries games and has been warriors games and I know that doesn't mean okay well it's going to be more of a profitable league than the NBA I know it doesn't mean that at all but you just feel like it's headed in that trajectory and I think you know they're not I think they'll take less than that 50 50 split that they you know the the revenue

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[SPEAKER_01]: split that the NBA players have but I think what the owners are offering I think I think it's yeah unacceptable I think it's way less than you know what they should take and I just I kind of almost feel like this is a little commingal like of like what more do we have to say about the

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like we can talk about expansion draft because they haven't had it, like they haven't even protected their players yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like we can talk about who's team is going to be better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the draft, like, you know, the draft is so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like we should just shift to straight unrivaled if this stuff isn't like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just be like, you know what, you know, we're not going to keep dragging with you guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, we're just going to go unrivaled because there are valkyries there that are playing basketball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we just talk about unrivaled until there's an actual legitimate update about this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, I mean, I guess, there it is fair to talk about this because there's potential.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There has to be an update by tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, um, you just wonder if it's the official lockout.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because my buddy cam, uh, reminded me that as of last year,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Free agent qualifying offers started January 11th and then free agents could talk to teams on January 21st Then sign on February 1st.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of see where we are like, we're nowhere close to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, how is that going to impact?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How where we are now is going to impact to start at the season based on how it was last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you can clearly tell we're not hitting the start of Everything's going to either be super sped up or we're just going to be late or, you know, we again don't totally know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Unrivaled season two opened up on Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was kind of an interesting day to open the season because they are going to play Friday Saturday Sunday Monday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they started on Monday and then there's a delay until Friday Saturday Sunday and then Monday again, but we got to see the missed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Veronica Burton was on the court again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She looked, she looked really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: She she airballed a three pointer, but it was fun to see her back in the in the scheme of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That mis team with her and Brianna Stewart and Alicia Gray, they might be one of the better teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of liked the balance of that team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They played the hive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and we got to see Monique Billings play a little bit on the high f-sh- I thought you played really well too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like she looked really good though, who who is the um, the the Asian woman that that was on the mist that tall lady.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she's from Dallas is that I'm I'm forgetting how to pronounce her name entirely, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't even find it, but it just came to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Lee, you're real, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So she, Monique's like, got her on the block and she tries to do a little bit of like a move and it just, that thing just got sent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, yep, that's a difference in size right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that game was fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't that close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It got kind of close later, but I thought that game was really fun because I think the Mr. gonna be pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but I didn't watch any of the other games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if you caught any of the other games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I'm I plan on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, before tomorrow, I'm I'm going to try to catch all the games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just today was a straight warrior's high lane catch up tomorrow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to be unrivaled to catch up before those games start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's that there there was a interesting discussion on the latest athletic podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, was it called?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, for what season we're both for some reason, I wanted to say no days off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been like, it's not, no days off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they were talking about how the marketing of the league is really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have a lot of little things to keep you interested, like the one-on-one contest and the little gimmicks that they do, but that they hope that the actual games and the season is the thing that catches people's eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the idea is like, yeah, these franchises, there's no history to them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can look at like in college, you go, oh, you know, Yukon versus, you know, name another good team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: South Carolina or whatever, like just by the names of those schools, you go, oh, that's a big matchup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: USC UCLA over the last couple of years, like same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And with unrivaled, you don't really have that because all the teams are new and then,

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were able to protect a couple of players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They added two new teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's movement and then you had players like Sabrina Yanescu and Angel Reese, they decided not to play this year, but you had rookies play like Sonya Citron and Paige are playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like there's something there, but then

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[SPEAKER_01]: is your day really affected if the mist and the vinyl are in this heated matchup right like that that thing isn't there yet for this league so no it's more so players it's like if in the feasts of versus Brianna you know like let's watch that but known a feasts of this year but it yet it's not like you know the high versus the lunar owls like I can't wait

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[SPEAKER_01]: they don't have like team identity yet like we don't really know you know so and and yet that hurts the league that just like Angel and Sabrina were like key pieces to last year and they're just like oh no did they say why they weren't playing I don't think so I was I was I was I don't surprise I didn't even know until I started kind of looking into the beginning of the season I just like oh I didn't know that they weren't playing I knew Nefisa was hurt so she wasn't able to play I mean last year Kelsey plumb was

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[SPEAKER_01]: get for them, and then she backed out right before maybe a month before it started or something, and then they last minute added Sabrina.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the Kelsey's back this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now Kelsey's playing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kelsey was a get for this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of feels like they've got a it feels like this might happen for a couple of years until they get to like a consistent number that they like feel comfortable with of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we have this X amount of players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have what how many clubs are there right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Six, maybe once they get to like eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think maybe they added two to get to eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they were, were they at four and they added a two or were they at six and they added two?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like missed vinyl, rose, lunar owl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, hive, the league features eight teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The breeze, the hive, the laces, the lunar owls, the mist, the phantom, the rose, and the vinyl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're at eight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I wonder if we're going to get a little bit of, you know, more, let like players deciding to leave on a whim or, you know, not deciding to come back the next year and then you just have, you know, all these talented rookies come in like, how do you kind of sustain and how do you tell, you know, juju, I mean, of course, you're just going to play, but like I wonder if there's going to be a cap that's hit that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, then you just keep bringing in players like I think I'm just I'm saying all this because I think there needs to be a team identity Eventually, but I feel like as you're kind of recycling all these players and you're adding new clubs it's it's going to be hard to to achieve You know, consistency to create a culture and identity throughout the clubs as there's just so much change each year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just wonder, you know, what point is that going to is that going to

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're going to stop and just like, sail.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll have, we'll at least have some basketball to talk about between in, in, in this potholla segment until the WMBA figures things out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We, I haven't really dug my teeth into the women's basketball yet, the college game, but I did see the end of Stanford and UNC.

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[SPEAKER_00]: from Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was an awesome, because it was the end of the fourth quarter, and then over time, which I got to see, that was great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, that style of basketball,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, today's NBA is so three point heavy, so to see the ball movement and then the, you know, trying to get the easiest shot and, you know, you got somebody in the, in the pain, who's, who's, the, the offense pivots off of and then you get a backdoor cut for a layup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That stuff is, you know, you don't really see it too much in the men's game because the men's game is so athletic and it's really about math.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was really fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stanford came back, Stanford took the lead, Stanford kept adding to the lead, and they eventually wanted over time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we got to see Stanford in the Invisiting Bay Area Women's Classic.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who did they beat?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Was it Oregon or did USC beat Stanford beat Oregon?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What did you think of the two games that we saw this year versus last year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: not great teams this year, um, which has been interesting because I believe Oregon beat, Oregon just beat USC and after leaving, you know, the Invisaline Bay Area Women's Classic, like would you have left saying USC is the best team here or would you have left saying Stanford's the best team here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have said USC has the most individual talent because of Jazzy and a couple of other players who I thought were really good, but Stanford may be the more well-rounded cohesive team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was just pretty shocked to see Oregon beating USC, but then I thought about it and I was like, USC felt like they were the better team and then Berkeley just kept making it a really tight game and then you kind of like, okay, I never mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe USC's not as good as we think they are or as they had maybe have a look on some other ranked matchups this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But no last year we got to UCLA and yeah, no Lauren Bets, but they still put in work and then,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that might have been the only ranked team because it was Ohio State Stanford UCLA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I forgot what that last team was that UCLA played.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now I don't know, it's still still, still would love to go to that thing again next year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of feel like for women's basketballs, you don't really even need to turn in during the non-conference stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's, I don't know, it's just kind of getting an idea of who the top teams are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you kind of tune in, it's like separated into the three sections.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like non-conference schedule, you know, your conference schedule with your conference turn championships, and then it's March madness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I feel like you can almost just tune in during the second section

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[SPEAKER_01]: of the season and and just you'll be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think Stanford and Cal should be in it every year though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can bring in UCLA and USC or other like I would love for it to be a California thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, it totally should be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would let, yeah, just do Stanford Cal UCLA USC every single year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, you know, Oregon is close enough to, to, to be, you know, if, if there was still a packed 12, you know, they, they were getting my wildfats over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You cares on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be nice, but I like the idea of USC because you know USC is going to be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know UCLA is going to be good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And next year, if they bring back USC, then we'll get to see you, and I think that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There, you know, they'll put the most butts and seats next year of Jews actually coming to play at the classic, but that might be a harder to get to get if you're just playing, but I did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do like the fact that Stanford, you know, they may not be that they're probably not going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a problem in the tournament this year, but you can see some stuff that they're doing, U.S.C.

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[SPEAKER_00]: this year, or at least this week, we're still 21 and top 25, but they drop to few spots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Stanford got some votes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stanford would have been 28th in the top 25 and I didn't think that cow was that bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought cow was competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, as far as this year's tournament is concerned, I don't think Stanford or college is going to do anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, cow will suffer to make it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming Stanford will make it, but at least they're playing competitively and it looks like they're getting some good players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that that

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope that and and I'm not saying that this is this matters whether or not the Valkyries are good, but if you have a nice geographical area of the Bay Area to be really good for women's basketball, like you're building something here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: four women's basketball with the valkyries and then the two college teams that hopefully can also be pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's that's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just wish my Spartans would attract some talent here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because it would be fun to go to that to that building, the San Jose State events center.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a fun little building, but I'm not going to go if they're not really competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Men's and women, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we're good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Warriors play Thursday next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if we go next week, it would probably have to be on Wednesday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the Warriors are in game one of an eight game home stand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were home for, you know, two or three games before going to the clippers, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they play Sacramento.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got it right here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Upcoming and then the Hawks come into town, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sacramento Friday, Hawks Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That'll be an interesting new haul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Try the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Tray.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the CJ McCollum Hawks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You could just run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, no, he's been good this year and the next Tuesday, you could basically just write in an L because Portland comes to town and Portland's sweep in the warriors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then the next Thursday, New York next Saturday, Charlotte, and then that's the next two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, then the homestand with the following Monday, Miami, Toronto Tuesday, they have one seven out of their last ten, so it's not like they're playing terrible basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They haven't, you know, they haven't beat good teams, but they'll have a chance because I know the next come in and

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[SPEAKER_00]: That would be nice to beat Portland because Portland has had their number.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think there's an opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if they go If they go foreign for in this home sense, it's a giant disappointment, but if they go six and two I think I think the fans will kind of get get excited about this team a little bit more and then if if coming against traded then at least something happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll have

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[SPEAKER_00]: more next week, because if we record next Wednesday, it'll be the day before D-Day for coming us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, that is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, what?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I thought you were, I'd say something else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is it from here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back next week, for Brian.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am WGCU when we see you piece out.