49ers WIN! Mac Jones' Gutsy OT Performance Stuns Rams on TNF | We Want Winners

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rod, we had said we were going to go live on Thursday night after the game, and I think in hindsight, us not going live on Thursday was probably for the best because I was so spent after watching a full game and over time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The ups and downs, the, oh my gosh, now there's going to blow this one again, feeling, and then the jubilation of them actually pulling it out, I think I needed to take a breather there or else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what that podcast would have been on Thursday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wasn't feeling my best, so it was interesting,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was not in actually finished watching the game at quick care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it was it was not a great night, but it was it was I still in thinking about it now I am not I don't I still don't know I'm absolutely a static that they won that game, but I don't know it was

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a roller coaster, like you say, because there was so many, you know, ultimately they got to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then there were so many other things that and I guess I need to stop that as a fan and just be a fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: We stink in the red zone, but still not getting any cash rush.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, is there's all these other things that I was just so happy they got the win because I could just see the narrative of how they just pissed it away and let it get away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But they didn't, they didn't, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is kind of starting to be the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: that's what this team is being, is showing is a lot of resilience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, last year they would have lost this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Last year, they did lose this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They lost a version of this game so many times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know what the difference is between last year and this year, some of it may just be luck, some of it may just be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The other team kind of having to make hard decisions that end up, you know, and we can discuss these over time scenarios because I'm still confused as to what these teams should do and over time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But last year, yeah, they would they would have lost this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there was a I think there was a game in LA where it was very much like this, they had an early lead and then they just kind of gave it away at the end and this this time it felt that way going into the fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They showed guts and they played great for three quarters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're probably going to lose this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They keep giving staff for the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time staff at has the ball, I'm just scared out of my mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're able to hold on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it will talk about some of the strategy on both teams late in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One worked out for the Niners, even though Niners fans were going nuts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the other did not work out for McVay, even though I think Niners fans were petrified that they were just going to score touchdown and win the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's talk about Mac because Mac is the big story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: It should be of no surprise to anybody who has been a 49ers fan for any amount of years, but quarterbacks, not only rule in the NFL, but historically here in the Bay Area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are always at the top of the town when you have Montana and young,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you have cap and Alex Smith and Jimmy G. The quarterbacks are the superstars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're the, you know, the, the, the, the, the movie stars of sports teams out here in the Bay Area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So much so that really only Steph Curry can kind of get onto the 49ers quarterback level when it comes to start them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so obviously, Brock has heard last week,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even though they went into that game saying Brock's going to be fine, it's the toes not problematic when he throws.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He then, I don't know if he re-injures it or if it's just kind of this lingering injury that's going to stay with him all year, we'll sort of see how that plays out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As you know, I am not very trustworthy when it comes to the 49ers and

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Mac gets another opportunity to play on this big stage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the narrative going into the game is that it's the 49ers and the preseason squad against the Rams and the Rams should kind of beat them up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Shinhan and McVeigh know each other very well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it'll probably be close and Shinhan will be trying to out scheme

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[SPEAKER_00]: that his troops are light on on some of the the the best players on his team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Mac comes out and I've not seen a ton of Mac Jones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: play football, but this dude was so confident in his decision making early on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know if he had they had watched so much tape that he knew what what these Rams defenders were going to do because he was throwing these passes as if

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[SPEAKER_00]: he was like an an expert on the ram to defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought right away, I was like, man, this dude is just ripping this ball down the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he knows where every little little chess pieces for the Niners and for the Rams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so as you're watching, he's kind of coming up hobbling and

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, this is a professional athlete.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't seem like it was very hot in the in the in the stadium.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how this man is cramping up cramping and so it may be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the high level of the game and you know, in the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is probably the biggest game he's ever played in his career as far as, you know, what it means to be on a winning team and to play against the other winning team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And but he's just hanging in there and he's still kind of like being his own self personally, you know, I see him like baiting the defenders and dancing around him and stuff and you know, that's why I call him Mac daddy Jones, he's got this vibe to him, but that was such a great like not only, you know, we talk about the idea of like being a game manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a lot of that, you know, because he did not have their top receivers on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was throwing two Kendrick Bourne as their number one receiver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, he was not afraid to take chances on some of the, some of the bigger hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just found it fascinating because on one end, we have Brock and Brock is,

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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of times, he's trying to create scenarios where they can make big plays, even if there's only a sliver of a chance for the defense, the interception to CMC last week was Brock saying, I thought we had an opportunity to actually score on this play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I threw that pass with the intention that there's risk there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if we hit it, Christian is probably scoring a touchdown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's his mentality.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've talked about this all off season, which is last year, Brock even professed to saying, I was trying to do too much, and now I've learned from that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Has he learned from that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who knows, but I think there's also the pressure of him being their highest paid player,

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[SPEAKER_00]: he needs to play to that level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the pressure on Mac is the opposite.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The pressure on Mac is he is there to be the backup.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if he can make some coin for himself, Allah samdarnled, then it's just, that's the pie in the sky for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just this interesting thing with the 49ers and their quarterbacks, you know, as we've said in the past, everybody's favorite players, the backup quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: be it's just how it works in the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like optimism for the backup quarterback that doesn't exist for the starter in some cases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what is you've watched Mac play in college.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What is what was your what was going through your mind as you're watching this dude shred up the ramps defense like did you think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, this guy should be a starter in the NFL as long as he's got the coaching and, you know, maybe a Kyle Shanahan influence, or were you just like, you know, the Rams were kind of taking this game lightly like, how did you feel while you were watching Mac dice these guys up?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You really look great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and

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[SPEAKER_01]: co-signs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just, that's the best Mac Jones is ever looked and he won a national championship with Mac Jones.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that, that's first is that Mac has never looked as good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting to me is, you know, like you say, the 40, well, with 40 iron fans, the most popular guy in the city is always going to be the back of quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the reality of the situation

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are 181 reasons why it doesn't matter how well Matt Jones plays, Brock Perti is our quarterback is that's just, yeah, that's just what it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mack even said that in the post game, right, I mean, this is so, and he, he's playing like he's so there's literally no pressure on him because no matter how he plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's there's not a scenario where a healthy rock party is benched for McDonald's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just from a business standpoint from a team standpoint for a lot of reasons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we can go back to as far as you know, basically Brock saved everybody's job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They went all in on trade shit doesn't work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They hit on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if they don't, if they don't find a reasonable solution to the trade lands problem, I don't know that either Lynch or Shannon here right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you've paid him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now it's just, you hear fans or IC fans talking about Matt 10 and how these ridiculous, number one, even with all that he's done,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is shown himself to be a capable backup quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, you know, one of the best backup situations in the league, it's completely different when you're the man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So when you talk about going down that same road of Geno or Baker or Samdarno, again, that will be another question,

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[SPEAKER_01]: if in a year, you know, if they decide to keep him and he plays the next year out, and then becomes a free agent or they trade him somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Kyle Shanahan is right, Max has shown that he is probably one of the best 32 quarterbacks in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know where an opportunity for him would show up, but if he were to get that opportunity and he got

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sam Garnell, the pressure is different than it is right now when you are, you're the man now and you are being paid like the man, like just like we've seen here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything was great for Brock when he was a little engine that could, but now all of a sudden that he is the 81 to $181 man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: fans have shared a lot of the fan base has changed with their expectations of who in what he should be in is and that that's just that just comes with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I find that interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's played really well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can't I if I had to tell the truth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to this game waiting for the Karrish attorney to a pumpkin, but it obviously didn't and he

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[SPEAKER_01]: played really well, and I would add Kendrick Boren into that mix too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he, I've never seen him play as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, obviously it was a career high in both receptions and yards for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, they really played well, especially in the first half, things kind of got a little

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, those were, you know, great performances by those two specifically and shout out to the past on protection as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, only 16 pressures.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, our guy, McCivots didn't have a great night, but the rest of the, um, the rest of the offensive line really played well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I thought that that would be a play, you know, they had, I'd watch the game last week against the cult.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They pressured

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[SPEAKER_01]: And only got, you know, he put 16 pressures on max.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that was, that was a pleasant surprise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a moment early in the game where I don't even remember what the play was, but like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Connor Colby like almost did like a 360 and he couldn't find out who he was supposed to block.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh no, this is going to be bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, it really wasn't bad.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Mac was getting hit late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think some of that was he was looking for some bigger shots and and they would have to bring in McAfrey to kind of at least help stop a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then McAfrey couldn't get out in time for Mac to throw that little dump off in some cases.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had to hold the ball a little bit longer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I told you that I was going to watch the Amazon broadcast on their next gen stat screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I was only going to watch the first quarter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I was going to switch back to the normal broadcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they were up 14 to 0.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, maybe you should just stay with this one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I watched it the whole way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is an interesting way to watch football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's like a video game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like a video game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like so the way that I would describe it is if you were to like zoom like like let's say you're behind the quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's your view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of go above and kind of like if you're like a helicopter, like looking down on the field, that's kind of the view of the of the what you can see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of hard to see like players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So instead they have these little circles around the players that you should definitely pay attention to and then they have the names and everything so you see this,

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they will sometimes when they have a good prediction, they will predict when the blitzes are coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they have like these little pieces of information that pop up on the screen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the one that was I thought was the most interesting is, and we'll talk about the over time rules in a second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so fourth and two was that fourth and two are for almost fourth and one

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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's fourth and two or less, they should go for it because if they kick the field goal here, the nine are still have three minutes and change to get back into field goal range to then win the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm like, oh, wow, it's fourth and one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like thinking,

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[SPEAKER_00]: man, I wonder what McPhase is going to, and immediately he goes for it, and I'm like, man, having that information on the screen gave me so much like thought on on what he was going to do, and they have this guy pop up and in this little bubble, and he's trying to explain certain scenarios like an in quick time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they

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[SPEAKER_00]: they pause the play by play or actually they mute it and then this guy comes on and then they get back into the play by play and that was pretty seamless like you didn't hear them like cut in at the wrong time or anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was really cool.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But where it was best was you could actually see coverage mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what I was doing, I was just mostly trying to find Puka every time the ram said the wall's like, okay, I want to find Puka and I want to

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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of it, like Devante Adams, it was the greatest decoy in this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, I don't know how many catches he had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember him making a couple.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they were just putting Devante and Puka right next to each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Devante would just run in her parents, so that Puka could skate free, and then he would be open, and then they would throw him the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There were moments where, and I think they may have even explained this on the broadcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the Niners were in man, and that's the other thing that they predict as they predict whether the defense is in man or zone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the Niners are in man, and the guy, I don't even remember who it was, the guy who was assigned to Puka.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was actually still playing zone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you watch all of the defense move, except for one guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, oh my gosh, like in Fred is pissed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Fred is like jumping up and down, like what are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So watching it from that point of view was actually really interesting because you could see the field open up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like playing Madden where when you play the video game you're looking for pockets in the defense for your receivers to cut in so that you can throw the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what it did is it just gave me so much more like just respect for what the QB does because also in that mode.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're counting down, or I was at least I was counting down the seconds in my head because I could see the pass rush as Max saw it in, you know, in a pulled back view, but I could see how close these guys were getting to Mac before he had to decide to throw the ball and then as he throws the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The camera doesn't pan away from the quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're seeing him throw it, you're seeing him get hit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're seeing the receiver catch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so you're seeing everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was it was like a kind of a a scary nervous way to watch the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I'm just assuming that Mack is getting drilled on every play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously he doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there were some moments where they would show in the replay, where you could tell that some of those Rams and defenders were like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we know that who's on the bench here, Adrian Martinez, this dude does not want to come into this game, and so they would do the thing where they're rushing and

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think maybe it's verse like we're just two hands shove Mac and then do the thing where he pulls his hands back as if he didn't touch him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, dude, you just shove this dude right in front of the referee and they they they kept that call clean, you know, they they didn't call a roughing there they called roughing once and then there was another time where.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forget who the defender was, but he collapses on top of Mack, and then he's pulling his hands back as if to say I didn't do anything wrong, but what it does is it puts more weight on Mack in that moment, and I was like, oh my gosh, you just watching this view.

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[SPEAKER_00]: just makes the quarterback position seem even harder to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my respect level when I was definitely a roughing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think I should do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But but like there's a I hate to call it a game'smanship, but the Rams knew who was on the bench.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They knew that the second they got Mac out of that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're basically bringing in a deer in headlights to try and play this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they're being a little bit rougher with Mac and it looked the intensity of that game was the intensity of a playoff game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was no weak five game for those two teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was almost a near playoff intensity, which you know, it made it even more exciting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, are you like, when you're watching these overtime,

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[SPEAKER_00]: rules and strategy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you convinced that you know that the coaches know what they're doing in these moments?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have no idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's such a, it's not like a lot of things in an analytics world where the decisions are

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[SPEAKER_01]: clear cut that if it's this, then you do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I haven't been able to get a clear, I heard arguments on both sides in terms of, you know, whether you take the ball or not, you know, in over time, whether you want the ball first or whether you want to, you know, so there's not a consensus on any of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what makes it

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[SPEAKER_01]: interesting and no, I don't think they know what they're going to do from time to time when you're from decision to decision.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was I was watching it and thinking obviously going back to the Super Bowl that that we lost because

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was a lot of conversation about the strategy of whether the Niners want the ball or they don't want the ball, you know, that whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the Niners by getting the ball first, as long as they can prevent the Rams from scoring a touchdown, so they kicked the field goal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Latino, he, Eddie Peniero in a bit, but he, so they kicked a field goal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that puts pressure on McVey to either score a field goal and leave time on the clock or to go for the touchdown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And by going for the touchdown, you essentially go for the win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a strategy there that is

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's another strategy that I didn't even think of until the Niners had a very promising drive in overtime, which is what happens if they like use up nine minutes of that clock before kick in the field goal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do the Rams only have one minute to tie the game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, that's wild to me with the because of this idea that you have to give both teams a chance and so I don't know if 10 minutes is the right amount of time like I wonder if all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: getting the ball back and having enough time to put our free in position for field goal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because, you know, he is the terminator in terms of the right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Literally, if you get the ball, if they get the ball on the 35 or 40, they're like a field goal, and they're like a first down away from being in field goal range for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was like that was part rather than trying to win the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that if they kicked the field goal, he would not have a chance to beat them, which is that's a, it's a kind of play for the tie in essence is a wild notion because of the field goal kicker nonetheless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I wonder if the way to do this is like no clock on the first two drives.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if by the time the team gets their third chance, then it's like five minutes or ten minutes or whatever, because it's just like every like these teams are so smart, they're going to know every single possible advantage and unique opportunity to not lose the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what the NFL wants is, you know, for years and years and years, it was just sudden death.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so a lot of times the team who gets the kickoff, they can just kick a 45 yard feel go and win in the games over.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And people were saying, well, that's unfair, because the other team doesn't get an opportunity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now we have this equal opportunity over time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet we're still seeing similar strategies to ice the game and we'd rather tie than lose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's I don't think that they figured it out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of the college rule by the way of how they do this?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I really don't love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, I know, I guess I don't love ties, but I want it to be football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want it to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't want it to be a feel-go kick-in-contest necessarily, I don't want it to be like, you know, like soccer or like me or hockey or like penalty shot, I don't want it to be that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to be as close to football as possible and I just don't think they've put in the ball on the 25 and saying, okay, this is what is that, just especially, I don't think that definitely doesn't work for the NFL because because kicking has gotten better

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[SPEAKER_01]: A 30-yard field goal in college is not nearly as automatic, as, you know, hell, we're the we live in a world now in the NFL where 60-yard field goals are like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: legitimate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, these guys are making them like they're nothing like our guy Eddie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't know 59 was on the board.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that thought that was probably that's probably good from like 63 64 the way kicked it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that that was something that we had sacrificed when we let, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Moody Go, was that okay, we know that Piniero was going to come in here and he's going to be accurate, obviously, you know, fourth highest, make right in history, but I didn't think that, you know, 50 plus was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Would be even something we would even try.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't, I didn't know that that would be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on the board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like you say, that was good from 60.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, 63, 62.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think that really adds to the drama of this in terms of the decision making and over time when, you know, 50 plus with 60 plus is on the board.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It just, you know, it makes the decision making that much

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know, like, you know, if the NFL, the rules community, like they like they like to change small rules all the time rules then they want to test, you know, the kickoff rule, actually that's not actually a small rule.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the kickoff thing is is a, is a, is a pretty big thing, but I would be interested if they look into the field goal thing as a, okay, we need to figure out how to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: return a kick off to the to the other teams 45 and have a legitimate opportunity to just kick from there and win the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's crazy to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't really, you don't even have to go barely past midfield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't know what the, I don't know what the, I don't know what the, you know, they get paid the big bucks to figure that stuff out, but the kicker, well, I all

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what do you how do you feel about the kickoff change because they have definitely if what they were striving to do was to bring the kickoff back in the return back into the game, they've definitely done that with the the the rule changes and then now with this thing of the landing zone, if you missed the landing zone to the point we were just discussing about what these long field goals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: getting the ball on the 40 is extremely punitive for the defense because you are again, you're two first downs away from a field goal decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you get the ball on the 40, that is in these close games and your kicker misses the land zone, it is devastating that

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[SPEAKER_01]: feel position because he didn't kick it inside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, I've noticed this weekend that was a, or last weekend, that was a thing that when in these tight games, they're just rather than messing around a lot of teams just kick it into the end zone, just kick it rather than, you know, risking like my, my, my, my guy did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has been so, Cardi's been so good at that dirty kick,

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[SPEAKER_01]: missed the landing zone and make Mac, you know, feel positioned to I mean, it was it's it's it's it's made the kick off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a real it's it's a play that's important now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the you know, when it seemed like they were trying to legislate it out of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a couple of years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He he he brought back the the squib kick the old ray-worshing squib kick from the 1981 Superbowl ray-worshing couldn't do that and in the lead today because he you know he would bounce that thing way in front of the 20 Yeah, so yeah, it like I think some of these are

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if these are big huge swings of what it means to the game, but when you have an outlier like the Dallas kicker at some point that it like let's say that Dallas Dallas is not good this year, by the way, so this is not going to be that big of a deal, but let's say that Dallas gets good or let's say that he goes to a different team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: now you you put him on the buffalo bills and Josh Allen literally only has to gain 25 to 30 yards on a drive and you got an easy three points every single time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's that's adding steroids to like a crazy offense, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think in that case, like, like, if we had that example of the best team in the league weaponizing somebody like that, I think there would probably be a little bit more talk about it, but because Dallas is garbage this year, it's probably not going to be that big of a topic, but like you said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: We thought Latino heat was just going to be like, okay, anything in the range of, you know, 30 to 45.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's money and we'll take it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's, that's what Robbie Gould was for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just we'll take it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just need to get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to worry about anything beyond that Kyle hates setting up for field goals as it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when this man can kick a 59 yard

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[SPEAKER_00]: clutch, necessary, feel goal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, like, what 49ers kicker in in past history could even reach that distance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The kicker for both Dallas and, you know, are the guy in Cincinnati, he kick one from 70 in priestess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's absurd.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, so for, you know, and I guess Aubrey has done that several times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, in preseason as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How much does it have to do with these special kicker balls that they have exactly now again?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm it was my understanding is that that's what people feel about my guys like Piniero is that it's the fact that they're able to work the balls that made that possible that for them to even attempt it is that, you know, they've worked the balls

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, it's kind of like they juiced the balls like they did in baseball for the home runs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that's, so that's an interesting thing is that, you know, will that be a simple fix that they just go back to what, you know, no more cables.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just, you know, just use the regular balls.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, they feel like everybody else uses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Tom Brady had to break some cell phones because of cooking football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now they're doing it legally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's move on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Talk a little bit more about about the game here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought one of the interesting things again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I would have thought about it this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I watched it from the normal broadcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The 49ers in the Rams, they each had their safety valve in that their best player was given the opportunity to make plays constantly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On one side, you had Pook and Akura who

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[SPEAKER_00]: He just seems like he's open every single time and he could take any sort of like it's a you know seven eight ten like it just seems open every single play if they wanted it and on the flip side the Rams fans had to sort of think about it the same way from the point of view of Christian like the state like our are going like hey man can we like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Can we cover Puka here?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had to be thinking the same thing about Christian coming out of the backfield.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you look at the numbers from both guys, this is really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Puka Nakua, uh, 10 catches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: for 85 yards and one touchdown.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He had a long of 16, he was targeted 12 times.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Interestingly, according to the ESPN stats, Devante Adams was targeted 11 times, but he only had five catches, and some of those were big plays late.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, Kyron Williams out of the backfield targeted 10 times, he had eight catches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The flip side, Christian, eight catches,

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[SPEAKER_00]: 82 yards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he actually did a better Puka impersonation from a production standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then even Puka had in that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously CMC is running the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 2.6 yards of carry, Brian Robinson, 2.4 yards of carry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: As a team, they ran the ball 33 times for 74 yards.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So

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[SPEAKER_00]: all of the reasons why they can't run the football, they were exposed in a big way on Thursday night because they literally could not run the football and yet they're still able to pull that game out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And on the flip side, the Rams ran it much better, but they didn't run it nearly as much as the Niners did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So this came down to me to the the opportunity that the Niners offense

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rams were a little bit more quick scoring bigger chunks down the field and the Niners played this real grind it out extend the possession time a possession game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Niners had 66 plays to the Rams, uh, actually, let me think about this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, uh, 70 82 plays to the Rams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 61 plays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is a crazy difference.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess that explains how you can only average two and a half yards per carry and and still move the ball down the field because your passing game is all about picking up the yardage that you're running game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't pick up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I thought that was a good thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just the idea that CMC and Puka were kind of mirrors of each other,

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[SPEAKER_00]: offensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that was a fascinating thing to to watch, you know, from both sides, from the Ramside and from the Ninerside.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and to me, it's, it's, it's of no, because I think as we move forward, if you can, the touches that you want to get CMC, because it's just, you know, it's just a fact that receiving touches and

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[SPEAKER_01]: past touch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, and rushing touches aren't the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're that you definitely would prefer him touching the ball as a receiver more than he does as a running back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just from a usage and protection standpoint.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to be interesting to see if how that works out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: more efficient running the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because again, I understand and I hear the calls for giving Brian Robinson more touches, but I don't think that that's anything that other teams are going to really fear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to, you have to hand Chris in a ball a certain number of times for them to try to at least kind of keep them honest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it's something that it seems like just for a lot of reasons previously Kyle has not wanted to do, but I would say, and then I don't as I say it, I'm thinking that maybe the toe makes that not a viable option anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you look like, you know, we've got a viable backup in Mac, it would be great that

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[SPEAKER_01]: into the run game because he's athletic enough when healthy that, you know, some of the RPO stuff would definitely be on the table, but you know, who knows with this toe and how that's just, it's always seemed to me like, you know, they said, you know, they were talking about one week for Brock and then he comes back and now he's out again, where and again, I know that

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[SPEAKER_01]: those turf toes, they're a strain and they're great to them and would not be like brawler was out like they like three months sorry from off the rip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So again it's it will be interesting to see how they move forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now so they've got the 10 days between now and their next game and you know there is Brock coming back or do what they give him another week or

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I'm not of a, I'm not a person that, oh, I'm not drinking that Kool-Aid that I think that, I mean, if if they sign off on Brock and here he's healthy legitimately healthy and he wants, he has to be legitimate in the healthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to say just because he wants to go out there because he's a competitor and he'll go out there at 60%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can't, somebody has to be the adult in and you know what, on that he understands this narrative of being the backup quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_00]: being the favorite player on the team better than anybody like he that was match a lot playing well is great for the team, but also because the 49ers are you know, one of the, I mean, you see how many fans that they had in that stadium there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're one of the bigger teams in the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so now

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brock had to go through the highs of oh my gosh this seventh round pick is playing at an elite level two is Brock really good to okay you had to pay Brock like he's a top five quarterback is he that and now he's got Mac on his heel so he understands the conversation around this position in the NFL better than anybody so of course he's gonna want to play and prove himself this is

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly, again, he, you know, that was, there was a comment at one point, I guess, going into the cardinal game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, go, no, going into the Jags game that somebody made the comment that Kyle would have to convince.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, perky to play and like you have no idea about the kind of competitor to this guy is if you think to somebody's now to convince him to play, you have to tie him to the bench, yeah, to keep him from playing if it's not within his best interest is is the read that I have on his guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have him has a.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, a, um, alpha predator, um, competitor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is so fat is the concern is that, you know, not to bring him back too fast because like you say he wants feel, because he should not, but I can say that I can say to him and say that, but he should not have to feel like he's got anything to prove.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but I know being the competitor is,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would definitely probably feel that way that, you know, he's got to earn this money and he's got to, you know, lead his team and all of that, which I respect, but, you know, I guess he's got a 181 million reason while we should do this should be a long term play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's we shouldn't be worried about, you know, what's gonna happen against Tampa Bay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that we're making.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are not looking at this in a logical way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to be looking at the end game and in terms of like, if this is real, which we can discuss, that I've got thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If this whole thing is real, then we need to be thinking about January, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not, right, you know, week six.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was kind of hopeful and you know, we always want our guys to come back, but I was like, man, can kiddo get back by Tampa Bay because

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tampa Bay is kind of another prove it game to where we will try and figure out if the Niners are real or not because Tampa is not a walk over in any way Bakers playing crazy football the kind of football that if you watch some of the covered stuff as I did from that vantage point Stafford's eating these dudes up just like problem and no pressure none no pressure and so you know in there were moments where you could tell

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[SPEAKER_00]: like I think on one on one of the touchdowns, they brought two blitzes at the same time and the timing was off and Stafford was like, huh, like right there, like I'm just gonna throw this thing to Tyron and he's gonna walk in the end zone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like there were moments like that where I was like, okay, they realize that this is gonna be tough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's not like Stafford is fleet-footed back there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a statue and you still can barely touch him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but yeah, so it sounds like no kiddo on Tampa, they're hoping that the following week will be kiddo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So still, we're going to basically run this back, depending on whether or not it's going to be Brock or Mac.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, uh, I guess Khalia Davis got hurt in that game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, somebody else got hurt,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alfred Collins of all people making the single biggest play of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kyron Williams ready to go for the touchdown to kind of ice this thing and was a great play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He strips this dude at the goal line and the Niners pick up the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I just want to go slightly off tangent here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to me of play by play broadcasters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you can go all the way back to the 70s without Michael's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Smeon needed some help on this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He did not see that fumble and then the other play that he got confused on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: was on the the roughing the pastor early in the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got so confused about whether that was a penalty on the Niners or the Rams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sure it was because somebody's feeding him information from the side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's getting confused.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I felt bad for this guy because one of the savviest broadcasters ever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's struggling with like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: stuff that is happening right in front of him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he has no idea that this ball is out, and I'm watching it going like, okay, what is this chaos?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, obviously something happened because, or else, Kyron should be walking into the end zone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's either down on the one or the way the Niners defense is reacting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We got the football and it took out like three seconds to figure out what had happened there and I was like, I feel so bad for this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, his, uh, I think I said book came out and 20 mid, mid 20 tens, uh, I listened to the audio version and he narrates it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if anyone is a fan of broadcasting that that book is good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So on this play,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Alfred Collins steps up and I was surprised to hear his name.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like Alfred Collins, like how why, and then I remember okay, Khalid Davis got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Alfred Collins, who the story of Alfred Collins in the pre-season was, the nine are signed him or they drafted him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they were going to really take advantage of his talents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the story in training camp was, he's just behind everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He holds out because he's second round pick and there's this thing between first and second rounders which is like this gap of pace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all the second rounders held out and he's one of those guys, finally get signed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the story is that he's just a step behind everybody and they execute that some of it was only

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I hadn't even really heard his name, even in the pre-season, they were saying that he was kind of disappointing, even playing against the backups.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so to hear his name, to see him make this play, some of it was just the idea that he had an opportunity because of the injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the other thing that, and looking at it from an optimistic viewpoint is, man, is he going to play more and could he be,

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[SPEAKER_00]: some of these young players who are both, they're trying to progress and get better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll let the same time also

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[SPEAKER_00]: being part of the current team, they have to play because of all these injuries and because they spend big, you know, it's a stars and scrubs mentality that we kind of talked about the fantasy football way that the Niners put this roster together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like Alfred Collins could he be somebody on this team, like is this an opportunity where he takes advantage of it and all of a sudden, like you're saying, in January, Alfred Collins is making big plays from the defensive line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You would hope so because, you know, if you look at, you know, I happened to, I think that the PFF grades are legit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Our young guys are not, did not have great games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This, you know, what I would shock to see is how poorly, um, do you winters grade it out today?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, yet on Friday, it was on Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was it was not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He like, you know, he was targeted 11 times and gave up nine catches, which is his, um, that's his, that's his thing, but, you know, on the yet on the flip side of that, you know, that's that's the, um, the first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: of being so good and coverage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you end up on Plucoboy, that's going to be a problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was the tight end, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He kept getting matched up on the tight end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And who was supposed to be a replacement for Higby?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who was, you know, they're number one tight in his down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this guy is like a backup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he had a really a pretty good game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stafford is throwing

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[SPEAKER_00]: with D Winters' head kind of turned around and he just said no chance because Stafford is the magic man when it comes to stuff like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this tight end was just running a simple route and what actually made him open versus not open is Stafford was able to see where Winters was specifically

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he was throwing it to where only the tight end could get to the football.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Winters looked really confused on many of those plays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not, and that's not to say that no, your staffer hasn't done that to other people before.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was where he was kind of on an island.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's the thing, another thing we talk about the pressures in that obviously, solid does not like to blitz, but he has shown a willingness to blitz.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you really can't blitz, master.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's, you know, because like you say on the touchdown,

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[SPEAKER_01]: They came with a blitz, and that, you met, messed up for new exactly where to go with the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because the blitzer, that was, that was William's guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was, it was, so that is maybe something as we move forward that, you know, he will be able to maybe,

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a little more than he was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, you get these old, you know, he's 15, 16, 17 year players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've seen everything twice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, it's just not, you know, you're not, you know, he's, you know, Stafford is at that Brady level in terms of having seen everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're not gonna do not gonna fool him with a blitz.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's, it's gonna be interesting as we move forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let, I mean, I think unless you've got something else, I'd like to hear your thoughts on, do you think that this, how real do you think this four and one is?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess it, it sort of depends on whether you think winning these tough games and, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: luck or tied turning or toughness or grit, you know, whatever these adjectives you can use to describe all I know is last year they were losing all of these games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: For whatever reason, does that mean this team is mentally tougher?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does this team, does that mean this team is better?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Coach does that mean that they're taking advantage of other things?

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the hard part for me, but I looked it up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have one their games, their four wins are by a total of five points, four points, one point, three points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are their wins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not a lot of wiggle room there in those wins, but that helps you get into the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the game that

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Seattle always tough, especially in Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The home game against Arizona is the one that kind of makes me second guess whether this is real or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now Arizona is probably about as average as a team who then plays up against the Niners all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of when the story has been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would like to see what happens when they play a team like Arizona again or Seattle at home because if they can put some distance between those two teams then maybe it's really just all about getting your guys back and being able to take advantage of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the tough wins where I think and I think when you get these tough wins, I think that is sort of built into your confidence, whereas maybe even last year when you keep losing these games, you sort of think about it from the perspective of, oh man, we're up three with five minutes left and they're driving, we've lost this game like three times already and I do wonder if that kind of gets in the psyche of both the coaching and the playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kind of an I think I would give them an incomplete grade as far as whether they're real or not because I want to see kiddo back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to see if they get anything from my you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, obviously you want Brock back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Both of being gone, that's, that's going to hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's, uh, their defense does not look fantastic in any way, shape or form, even in these games where they're not given up a ton of points.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are able to make big stops in opportune times, but I, I'm not confident that they're able to stop teams up and down from going up and down the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when Trevor Lawrence,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is able to pick you apart for a lot of the game and it just seems like he's just trying to get the ball out quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That did not give me a lot of confidence and what the defense could do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, Stafford was Stafford's Stafford.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he's one of the best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you know, but he's still through for like 380 yards and they ran the ball well, which is the other thing which is did he need to throw that much or did they just not trust the current with the football

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I would say, I would give it an incomplete grade, only because I want to see what happens when they get some of these guys back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll caveat that with at the same time, you can get a kiddo back, but the way that the last few seasons have gone, getting a kiddo back means you're going to lose somebody else because that's just kind of in the rhythm of the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jake, Jake, Tom just is, people may start paying a little bit more attention to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, as he makes these plays, we need kiddo back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: we need we need be a back we need Jennings we need Ricky but I do think there's something to the character of the team when you can actually win a game like this when all your dudes are gone because you know and and look if this was not the rams if this was a rando team that

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shanahan, you know, it's not a rival love and the Niners historically, you know, going into LA, I'm sure that helped.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are very confident playing in that building.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if it, if it was, the Carolina Panthers, against this beat up 49ers, they probably don't play as well as they did, but I think there was something to just knowing your rival being the underdog, feeling disrespected.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you heard the quote, where Shanahan was pissed off about how many how many points they

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[SPEAKER_00]: and Mac was like, yep, me too, and Shannon has like, man, just let it rip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that was like the conversation that the two guys had.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of that plays into how they felt about this game, but yeah, give me, give me like three more weeks, and I think I'll feel a lot better about how I feel about them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But four and one, this is like the perfect way to start this season with all the injuries and all the issues with this roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or you definitely build a cushion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know the two things that I come away with is that one, I don't know how anybody could have any questions about Kyle and his play call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because he has made some great calls in the clutch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I would say the same thing about solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If the game is close and he needs to dial up something like the last play this week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the Saints play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say the week before with Nick and in the game, that might have been more of an individual play than it was a call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he, when the game is on the line, can make defensive calls that can get stopped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just that's unequivocal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I believe that about this team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they have to get guys back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you would tell, are they real or not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's continues to be this with this mash unit, I don't think it's real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not what we know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We expect to get brought back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We expect to get towards back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We, you know, and again, I don't know, we don't know with NC's and injuries when they, when they say healthy and air quotes, I don't know what that

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[SPEAKER_01]: to be able to play at some version of themselves.

01:00:10.569 --> 01:00:31.422
[SPEAKER_01]: And when you get these guys back, and they've been able to get wins out of these guys who aren't, we don't have a whole lot of guys who are front my players right now, but they've been able to make this team a winner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd love to see them get five or six players back, especially on the offense, I'd love to get to see them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what that even looks like in terms of getting a competent, frontline, past

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't really see why for the 49ers giving up what it would take to get somebody like tray Hendrickson or why the Bengals would be at this point they paid him why they'd be in a rush to get rid of him somebody like Tibodo who could make difference makers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, why they would want to make those moves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then on the other end of the spectrum, you hear people talk about players like Carl Granderson from the Saints.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, how much better is he really then just seeing what you have with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: my kill Williams or clay or Davis or those type of players, I don't know, you know, what they need to do something with the past rush and maybe they just blitz more, which, you know, there's a lot more variance in that strategy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, I, I am hopeful that with health and good coaching that this does turn to be, you know, it turns out to be something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm that

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, I think that Tampa Bay game does end up being a real big, you know, one of the, a litmus test of sorts was where we're at right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I don't know how many we're going to get back for that game, but it's going to be interesting to see if we can go in there and pull another one out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, have you heard of these great, like, as we're recording the

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[SPEAKER_00]: what supposedly something happened in Indianapolis where he's in the hospital and sounds like he's going to be okay.

01:03:01.893 --> 01:03:08.956
[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like, but the police are maybe investigating him in something some fracas.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's kind of, it's an early version of the story that we'll hear more today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mac Jones, uh, before the game, um, that morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the team hotel in Marie and Del Rey, Mac Jones told teammates he was on his balcony when he looked out at the water and saw a floating dead body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Somebody called the police as the 49ers loaded buses for the stadium players watching investigators and even a coroner's van pull into the marina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the incident is still under investigation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Max starts his day in which he is about to play a huge football game by just seeing a dead body floating in the marina.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's anyway.

01:04:06.265 --> 01:04:10.806
[SPEAKER_00]: But those stories have just been like people been sending them to me as we were recording.

01:04:10.866 --> 01:04:14.506
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just wanted to mention them because as news, last thing for we could add here.

01:04:15.266 --> 01:04:16.467
[SPEAKER_00]: So we talked a little bit about.

01:04:19.407 --> 01:04:19.787
[SPEAKER_00]: No, go ahead.

01:04:23.308 --> 01:04:23.528
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.

01:04:23.548 --> 01:04:27.428
[SPEAKER_01]: I was going to say, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a huge true crime fan.

01:04:27.448 --> 01:04:28.869
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's bananas to me.

01:04:29.589 --> 01:04:30.269
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, me too.

01:04:30.569 --> 01:04:33.049
[SPEAKER_00]: I listened to so many true crime podcasts on my walks.

01:04:34.370 --> 01:04:42.431
[SPEAKER_00]: So Eddie Panero, he's been a, absolutely, I don't even know what to say.

01:04:42.491 --> 01:04:47.312
[SPEAKER_00]: But the, the difference between Jake Moody and Eddie Panero is like, it feels like,

01:04:48.462 --> 01:04:56.185
[SPEAKER_00]: This has been, they're going to get a win and a half or something just by making this kicker switch.

01:04:57.606 --> 01:05:06.270
[SPEAKER_00]: When it comes to their end of the year, the smartest move that they've made, I don't know why it took them so long to do something like this.

01:05:07.884 --> 01:05:12.706
[SPEAKER_00]: He has just given, and it's the fan base really.

01:05:12.746 --> 01:05:17.668
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, when he kicks, you believe it's going in.

01:05:17.928 --> 01:05:26.051
[SPEAKER_00]: Not quite as confident as when Robbie Gold was kicking, where we were pretty sure that that dude was making it.

01:05:26.111 --> 01:05:27.111
[SPEAKER_00]: We're not there yet.

01:05:27.151 --> 01:05:30.973
[SPEAKER_00]: We still have, you know, we still have to watch more of Eddie.

01:05:31.893 --> 01:05:32.053
[SPEAKER_00]: But,

01:05:33.586 --> 01:05:34.966
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, we're still new.

01:05:35.667 --> 01:05:36.907
[SPEAKER_00]: But here's the thing, right?

01:05:37.047 --> 01:05:41.788
[SPEAKER_00]: Is Kyle is so Kyle hates talking about special teams.

01:05:42.548 --> 01:05:47.089
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, not his favorite thing to talk about to coach.

01:05:47.149 --> 01:05:48.310
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't want anything to do with it.

01:05:49.170 --> 01:05:57.772
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just so crazy to me why they didn't make this switch in the off season, knowing that had they done so and had they just solved it.

01:05:58.552 --> 01:06:01.073
[SPEAKER_00]: That's something he doesn't have to worry about.

01:06:02.053 --> 01:06:27.597
[SPEAKER_00]: and instead they bring moody back to start this season and it's the biggest one of the biggest stories on the team so much so that he kicks a game winner in pre-season and almost like making fun of the situation, they put this guy on their shoulders like that whole distraction

01:06:32.540 --> 01:06:35.463
[SPEAKER_00]: watching Pinedaro kick, you're just like, why did they even bother?

01:06:35.503 --> 01:06:37.244
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is the flip side?

01:06:37.864 --> 01:06:45.830
[SPEAKER_00]: Moody becomes as good as, do you not want to just basically call fail on the draft pick?

01:06:45.870 --> 01:06:49.513
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why didn't they just do this in the off season?

01:06:49.573 --> 01:06:52.595
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, why did we have to stretch this out to the beginning of the season?

01:06:52.615 --> 01:06:58.920
[SPEAKER_00]: Because what we have is now a non-story and this dude is actually making

01:06:59.695 --> 01:07:10.461
[SPEAKER_00]: kicks to help you win games versus is moody going to be able to make this like that's the narrative previously and now it's like okay we have a reliable kicker let's just play football.

01:07:12.283 --> 01:07:24.870
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah that is bizarre that and I I guess I to a certain extent understand a level of pop commitment like you know you invested this in him but I think we had already

01:07:29.023 --> 01:07:48.291
[SPEAKER_01]: you know you're dealing with a situation like that like I mentioned before as a golfer when you get the gifts it just seemed to me from the outside looking in that it was not a physical thing with moody and then once that's the case I just didn't I never saw it being has a situation where things were better.

01:07:49.043 --> 01:08:15.993
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, now like you say it was like the lunacy of him making that one kick and they carry him off and they're trying to make it like okay, we've turned the page on this and then now we're we're just going to move on and then the next week it's a kick out of bounds and it's just it's just so that was going to be That was always going to be a narrative and I can't imagine how many points

01:08:17.055 --> 01:08:25.017
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Piniero's presence has added and has given this born one start that move their times.

01:08:25.077 --> 01:08:29.819
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure there are times that Kyle wouldn't even kick the ball that he has right.

01:08:29.839 --> 01:08:35.340
[SPEAKER_01]: Pinero that if it if if if Moody I'm hitting tongue tie, but if Moody was the kicker.

01:08:35.580 --> 01:08:41.642
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure they're they're just it the that the play calling and everything else would have been a way different.

01:08:42.422 --> 01:08:42.542
[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

01:08:43.571 --> 01:08:51.994
[SPEAKER_01]: with him is the kicker and having Piniero and his confidence in him has just made it such a a breath of fresh air.

01:08:52.034 --> 01:08:57.595
[SPEAKER_01]: So like you say, it's, it's, it's really curious why they didn't just do that.

01:08:57.615 --> 01:09:05.398
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I mean, obviously, they were thinking about it because they brought competition in air quotes in.

01:09:05.418 --> 01:09:11.319
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, that's, but they landed on the right guy.

01:09:11.439 --> 01:09:12.900
[SPEAKER_01]: So ultimately that's

01:09:13.498 --> 01:09:27.047
[SPEAKER_00]: the most important thing, you know, I wonder if you were to measure the amount of unnecessary stress that Kyle Shanahan had to deal with.

01:09:28.528 --> 01:09:36.954
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it is the trail ants thing not working out, but he can always kind of go back on the idea that he had to be talked into trail ants, right?

01:09:42.502 --> 01:09:52.038
[SPEAKER_00]: Jake Moody just Looking like a mopey dude on the sidelines after missing kicks and Debo kind of pointing the finger at him like, you know, you're you're

01:09:52.972 --> 01:09:54.653
[SPEAKER_00]: you need to shape up here.

01:09:55.053 --> 01:10:00.475
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm sure Kyle has some unnecessary gray hairs from this entire situation.

01:10:00.915 --> 01:10:09.719
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, I hope he can worry about other things because, man, it just seemed like it was just unnecessary to have to deal with this scenario.

01:10:09.799 --> 01:10:11.600
[SPEAKER_00]: And they put it on themselves.

01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:16.482
[SPEAKER_00]: Robbie Gold was still kicking for them.

01:10:17.082 --> 01:10:20.424
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe these kickoff rules that were coming up,

01:10:22.333 --> 01:10:47.005
[SPEAKER_00]: wanted made them think like okay maybe we we need to find somebody else maybe it was Robbie Gould who was not going to bend over backwards to come back and kick he had a certain price he's like look I know how valuable I am I could always you know I've made a good amount of money I can always retire I'm not going to take you know a pay cut or whatever whatever it was it just seems so unnecessary so I'm hopeful and I don't want to jinx this because you know Eddie's Eddie's pretty fired up.

01:10:49.006 --> 01:10:59.372
[SPEAKER_00]: I want, he almost a little overly fired up for a kicker and, you know, sometimes that can create a target from the other side, but I'm just hopeful that we're behind it.

01:10:59.432 --> 01:11:08.358
[SPEAKER_00]: We can move on even if, you know, even if he's, you know, he's he's an 89% kicker historically, so I think we can live with that.

01:11:08.398 --> 01:11:10.099
[SPEAKER_00]: We could probably live with 87.

01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:15.022
[SPEAKER_00]: We could probably live with even a little bit less as long as we don't have to worry about.

01:11:15.845 --> 01:11:23.230
[SPEAKER_00]: The will here won't here is Kyle going to kick this is he not going to kick this that is seems to be done so we can move on so I'm happy about that.

01:11:23.610 --> 01:11:25.191
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Tampa Bay.

01:11:25.211 --> 01:11:28.693
[SPEAKER_00]: We we we face them next week.

01:11:30.854 --> 01:11:33.756
[SPEAKER_00]: The do you feel like.

01:11:34.548 --> 01:11:40.449
[SPEAKER_00]: they are one of the top teams in the NFC that the Niners may have to see down the line.

01:11:40.509 --> 01:11:48.551
[SPEAKER_00]: What is your read on this book's team who is also three and one right now and they play Seattle on Sunday.

01:11:48.611 --> 01:11:54.133
[SPEAKER_00]: Might be a game to watch for 49ers fans since we don't play this weekend.

01:11:54.613 --> 01:11:56.413
[SPEAKER_00]: But are they for real?

01:11:57.093 --> 01:12:01.274
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, their wins three points over Atlanta.

01:12:03.874 --> 01:12:07.358
[SPEAKER_00]: two points over the jets and then they lost the game to Philadelphia.

01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:23.157
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I definitely, I don't, I think they would definitely be one of those teams depending on how you feel about where the Niners are in terms of the playoffs.

01:12:23.662 --> 01:12:25.263
[SPEAKER_01]: I get, you know, they've got the inside track.

01:12:25.303 --> 01:12:26.703
[SPEAKER_01]: Now I'm being a division winner.

01:12:26.983 --> 01:12:28.724
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that holds.

01:12:29.824 --> 01:12:36.467
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, if not, they definitely become one of the teams that's denying it was looking at in terms of making a playoff.

01:12:36.507 --> 01:12:43.350
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, a win over them would be very useful.

01:12:43.370 --> 01:12:47.871
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, I think that's gonna be an important game.

01:12:47.891 --> 01:12:49.692
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is one of the games that I've got

01:12:52.089 --> 01:12:59.818
[SPEAKER_01]: Since the Niners don't play, it's kind of a red zone game for me, so I'm, but I am interested in watching that.

01:13:00.999 --> 01:13:12.973
[SPEAKER_01]: Seahawks bucks game because I just, their offense is so interesting to me in a way, Baker is just such a gunslinger and I'm really interested in watching a book of.

01:13:13.697 --> 01:13:31.666
[SPEAKER_01]: because he's, you know, just fantasy circles, but just to be able to watch him and I'm really looking to see if I can find anything that, you know, how solid is going to try to contain him, because he is a match of nightmare, it seems, in the early going.

01:13:32.086 --> 01:13:42.011
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure every offensive coordinator goes, okay, we're going to try and exploit the youngster, the rookie until he

01:13:43.818 --> 01:13:51.624
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, plays better because that, you know, whenever you see up the back of up and stouts, jerseys, you're like, man, these dudes are just picking on this guy.

01:13:51.684 --> 01:13:57.689
[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, as he, he, I don't think, you know, he's he's getting real reps.

01:13:58.550 --> 01:14:00.071
[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think he's going to

01:14:00.691 --> 01:14:19.439
[SPEAKER_00]: You know get better, but he's having to play a lot and you can definitely tell they see him as one of the weak spots in in that secondary and so, you know when when teams like the buck who can throw the football, I'm sure Upton Stout's got a lot of stuff to to watch and to read up on and.

01:14:20.019 --> 01:14:29.373
[SPEAKER_00]: and to prepare for in a game like this, so that'll be an interesting thing to see his progression as the season goes on.

01:14:31.256 --> 01:14:33.279
[SPEAKER_00]: The refs are being pretty tick attack with him too.

01:14:33.339 --> 01:14:35.963
[SPEAKER_00]: Anytime he does anything, it seems like he's getting flagged.

01:14:36.985 --> 01:14:39.728
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so we'll be we'll be back next weekend.

01:14:39.848 --> 01:14:40.589
[SPEAKER_00]: So next Sunday.

01:14:40.850 --> 01:14:52.983
[SPEAKER_00]: We aren't going to go live because of, you know, my Sundays are tied up a little bit for the next few weeks, unless it's in the morning, if it's in the morning, I can go live, but if it's in the if it's an afternoon game, I cannot.

01:14:53.243 --> 01:14:56.747
[SPEAKER_00]: So Rod and I will record sometime Sunday evening.

01:14:57.167 --> 01:15:06.911
[SPEAKER_00]: it'll be on YouTube after we record it and then also it'll be on the audio feed very soon thereafter as well.

01:15:07.011 --> 01:15:09.012
[SPEAKER_00]: So all right, man, this was a good one.

01:15:09.272 --> 01:15:14.535
[SPEAKER_00]: I was happy that we're able to do this and I'm glad that you are feeling better.

01:15:15.155 --> 01:15:17.696
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Rod, I am WG.

01:15:17.776 --> 01:15:19.537
[SPEAKER_00]: We will see you when we see you piece