49ers Super Bowl Preview: Contenders or Pretenders? | We Want Winners

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is our season preview edition of We Won't Winners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Double G here with Rod and we're going to go over kind of our thoughts about what we expect coming out of the preseason and we'll talk about the way that I want to handle this is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are two paths with the kind of team that they have, and we've talked about this super top heavy, stars and scrubs, the way that they spend their money on the team, you know, they have lots of super stars, but they also have lots of depth,

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[SPEAKER_00]: in which players need to play really well in order for them to have the overall roster that some of these other teams have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to look at it from the perspective of here's what it looks like when things go right and what do we see from that perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And what happens if things don't actually go,

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[SPEAKER_00]: perfect like who are the players that they can least afford to lose which you know who's kind of the domino they are do we have domino players where if this player doesn't play well it kind of effects everybody else so we'll look at all of those things we'll also do some prop stuff because I know Rod's looking into that and he'll give us some of the things that he likes

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll look at the Seahawks game and I also want to this year specifically, as we cover the Niners, I do want to look at the NFC West a little bit more because I think the division is going to be pretty competitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and whether or not the 49ers make the playoffs, may be decided on how they play in division, because I think all four teams are kind of close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, I think roster wise, maybe there are some separations, but if these teams play to expectation,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we, you know, the Rams, Niners and Seattle could all, I could see them all being right around like 9 to 10 11 wins and then Arizona is is a little bit of the wild card, but, um, you know, they played the 49ers well last year I thought so.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it, let's talk about this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rod, if the Niners are good, and they make a dent in the playoffs, what are some of the things that you foresee happening in order for that to be the case?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that our rookies, especially on the defensive line, will have

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[SPEAKER_01]: perform well, Williams, Collins, and West, all three of them need to be solid contributors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I believe that's that's like the first thing because they're just really, there's really nobody there with any kind of track record.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you got guys like clay, Davis, and I guess Kevin give us will be back, but those

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[SPEAKER_01]: but you're quite a situ depth pieces.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys really, I think two of those guys really have to establish themselves as the season goes on as capable top of the lead type starters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not, they don't have to be all pros, but they have to be serviceable starters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, a lot has been made about Robert Sala and, well, obviously, he is a great defensive coach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The defense is only as good as the players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we say it all the time and we saw an example.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what's college, but we saw an example of it on Monday night, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: didn't have to play or play with TCUs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ultimately, it's the gyms and joes that make the difference.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So our defense, I know a lot was made about Nick Sorenson and I can remember my name, my

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yes, we may say, what is Steve's last name?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How can we not remember Steve's last name?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, I kind of deleted that whole scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I think those guys have to we need players to step up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We, um, you look at, um, the line back, of course, same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We, we need guys to step up and, um, become starters.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, again, I'm not saying that they need to be,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody's going to replace Drake Greenlaw but we need guys to be functional at all three levels for this thing and it might be a thing where we are not as good in September as we are in December hopefully hopefully the team grows and gets better as the season, you know, wears on you want to peek in at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 11 draft picks need to step into meaningful roles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a big part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So for me, I think it really starts offensively with Christian McCaffrey.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he has to be

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have to be the two years ago, Christian McCaffrey, I mean, who can be that like that guy was one of the most valuable players that I've ever seen on a football field with how much he did for that team, but I do think that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: there needs to be some the threat of of who he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He needs to be out on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we cannot have a season where he misses a lot of games and I think that the 49ers can actually play good football.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if you have a really good, if you have a really good backup running back, their threat of what they can do on the field is not going to be as big of a factor because

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[SPEAKER_00]: No brand in I-UK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joanne Jennings, as of this recording, we're recording this late Wednesday and it'll go out on Friday morning.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Joanne Jennings is back in camp.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, he in the 49ers, came to some sort of agreement on the possibility of him making more money dependent on what he does during the season up to three million.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the number that we saw.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But they are definitely a lesser receiving core than they've been in the last few years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So who steps up in those roles?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think we believe that that Kittle, especially early on in the season, he's probably going to, uh, he's probably going to have some big games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just the threat of Christian McCaffrey running and receiving, I think takes

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[SPEAKER_00]: some eyeballs off of other guys who can make some big plays and without that threat then you're focusing more on the middle of the field where the 49ers like to do a lot of their damage and and you know might not be as easy pickens for Brock Perti with it you know if if that happens the other thing and this is this is something that you and I've been talking about forever it seems

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know Poonie looks like he's going to be ready to play week one, which is great, but a lot of what they can do is based off of Brock getting those few seconds for him to make decisions.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he did a lot of running last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he has to run as much as he did last year, it's probably not to the benefit of the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know in some cases, like he's a playmaker, he wants to play make plays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He sees a third down and he knows that based on what the defense is giving him, he may actually have to use his legs to get that first down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That might be the best play for that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if the offensive line, at least from a past perspective, past blocking perspective,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he doesn't have the time necessary, then it was a little harder for him last year, and also, I mean, just the threat of any sort of injury to Brock, nothing against Mack Daddy Jones, but, you know, there's obviously going to be a bit of a drop off from Brock, pretty to whomever the back up is so those are two things that if those things go right, if CMC is back to

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[SPEAKER_00]: 13 hundred yards rushing seven eight hundred yards out of the backfield scoring double digit touchdowns I could see some daylight in in the 49ers, you know, winning some big game to special.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about their schedule and and whether or not it's it's easy or hard based off of what the teams are doing this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if Brock has time, we could see the Brock from two years ago as well, where he is

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[SPEAKER_00]: picking teams apart and the completion percentage is high and the interception rate is really low.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are two things for me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now let me ask you a question about the defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you see the 49ers stopping other teams?

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[SPEAKER_00]: the best player on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, they're two best players on the field.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Bosa and Fred Warner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, probably starts with those guys, but like, do you see a possibility of some of the young guys in the secondary making their name this season on this team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That would be great, but I started up front because that the way this defense has always been set up is you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You pressure the quarterback that the defense is designed to pressure the quarterback so that you're not putting your secondary in situations where they have to block down receivers, you know, play a lot of zone on the back and it's just one of those things that if you give a quarterback three and a half seconds, you know, they've got to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be a receiver open because you know, this is NFL and you can't you just can't guard, you know, and I feel why receivers for that long, but if you can heat that do to our best defensive that's always been the recipe is you heat that do to get him off his spot and either get him to the ground or make him rushes through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it makes the secondary better, but obviously, if you're able to get that kind of sticky coverage from guys like green and I think we pretty much know what Lenore is, um, would I find interesting is, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the depth chart looks like he has earned that slot job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, just by default that means that Demo is the outside corner, which, again, he can play, but I don't, I just don't think that we are as strong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We were always stronger when

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, on passing down as you can kick him inside and allow him to play the nickel, but that just is, you know, it doesn't seem that that is what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's going to be interesting to see how, you know, if he is supposed to be our.

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[SPEAKER_01]: corner back one, what that looks like, you know, we can't and we can't against the extra seabers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I am, you know, that's kind of scary to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then green, he had a, you know, he had a good rookie season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, we hope that

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the fact is that the growth is rarely linear, you know, and you, we hope that the players like him and puny, I noticed another one who had a good rookie season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We just want to think that this, their development is going to be a line curve straight up, but I think that that's unrealistic, but, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: in growth and development, sometimes there's peaks and valleys, so it'll be interesting to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As we move forward, I watched a lot of Ronaldo, Green, and College, and his problem was that he reminded me of who was the guy who played here, who was really good, Josh Mormon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was a really, really hands-earned player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He grabbed guys and even real physical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was able to play that way in college.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, there's no way you can do that in the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it didn't really, it's ugly head last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But he only played hitting play 300 snaps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's going to be interesting to see if he can continue to master his technique and not just be grabbing on guys and being a given away 15 yards on a regular basis.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just there's a lot of question marks all over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You look at this roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: released the first death chart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was interesting to see that Lou Gifford got the nod at Samline Backer, which I didn't even, I just assumed it was going to be either Martin or Tatum Patum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that I thought that was mildly interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, honestly, I didn't even remember much about him, you know, this, you know, in the preseason, there was nothing remarkable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: about him, but clearly he impressed the right people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's, you know, it's going to be, there's a lot of young guys and that's a good thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: From where I, I am happy as somebody who has railed against them, going to the scratch and dead pile and continuing to sign that minimum

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[SPEAKER_01]: several you look all around this roster there it's it's it's it's seen you can deal definitely on the defense there was a concerted effort to get younger which is great but

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[SPEAKER_01]: with that, you have to understand, as a fan, I think we have to understand that they're going to be growing pains that come along with having these young guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's a good thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you just, we got to let them grow into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd much rather have somebody like Alpha Collins

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[SPEAKER_01]: Millie Collins or whoever Cleaner fluid on a four million dollar contract for one year You know, just let's just develop these young guys even if it means taking a step back It hopefully it'll mean with you know if they're players that we move forward will have You know, we just the covered as bare and it is as far it's

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[SPEAKER_01]: bar past time for them to strive to rebuild the covered with young players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you mentioned Mike Williams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we haven't even seen him because he was not playing in preseason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, with the theme that things work out for the Niners and they are actually

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[SPEAKER_00]: and a possible championship looking team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael Williams, what does he sack the quarterback?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does he contain the edge?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does he move inside and help the defensive line by moving inside on third down?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Does Bryce Huff the one who's picking up the sacks on the other side of Nick Bosa?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you see that whole thing working in your vision of like, okay, this team is actually better

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, people think it's a slight, but it's not, I think ideally in here one, if he could be Cleveland Ferrell, 2.0, that'd be great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Somebody who was solid against the run on the outside, and then again, has, you know, I am relying on what Robert Sava has said that, you know, he has been

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[SPEAKER_01]: on the inside, which is good because he was not very effective at Georgia rushing from the edge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if they can get any kind of cash rush out of him on third down by moving him inside and then, you know, replacing him outside with Bryce Huff, kind of like a build edge with those two

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ideally, that, you know, in a, if it works, that's what I think you're going to see as you'll see can be really effective in the run game from snap one and then give them and grow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am, that is how it looks if it works good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, you know, it got to the point, you watched the Bryce Huff Tate from the Eucles last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He just couldn't get on the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was just so ineffective last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a combination of when Tunes saw him out there, you know, if, what, for it to work.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you go back and you look two years to the,

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[SPEAKER_01]: with the jets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it was like it was renew and people just allowed him to line up and sprint to the quarterback and the quarterback is standing back there five to seven yards deep in the middle of the pocket waiting for him to come hit him and last year you didn't see any of that anytime he was in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was some sort of boom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was some sort of chip.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was some there was always a tension paid to him and he just couldn't handle it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then

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[SPEAKER_01]: As you saw with the jets and with the eagles, if you cannot ask him to do anything other than rush to pass or if you pass him to cover something, that's a bad thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're having going backwards, that's a bad thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have him setting the edge that you don't want any action from Bryce up other than running at the quarterback.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in our situation where things go great,

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[SPEAKER_01]: In some combination is able to give us some sort of past rush on third down to make it so that teams can't just triple team Nick Bosa and Dear everybody else on the defensive line to make a play, which is interesting as there's a couple of things that I want to circle back to Christian but since we're on defense it is interesting how

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[SPEAKER_01]: You were talking, you said, in your discussion about Christian at the very very beginning, is people are holding him to an offensive player, the year standard, which I just think is kind of ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the same thing with Nick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, people say that every since he signed his contract, he hasn't been the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, number one, sex are an incomplete

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[SPEAKER_01]: metric when it comes to evaluating past rush.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He has been he was third in past restaurant wait and he in the last three years nobody has hit the quarterback more than they both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that but that doesn't always mean he gets the sack but he's there

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[SPEAKER_01]: at the top.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still one of the most disruptive players in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the last two years, if you look at the players around him, since, um, last year, since the Super Bowl year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even that year, you know, you had Chase Young, Chase That's as I liked calling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, um, I haven't just drawn a blank on these guys who are no longer here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy we played all the money who we got out of here,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To tackle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, who stole the money?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're talking about a hargrave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Leonard Floyd, who they did not sign after us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you know, he has not had a stellar cast around him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you just that if things are going to go well, like we said,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we saw some good things for Robert Beale.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he can give you something as a past rest here as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to get past rest from someone else, other than Nick Bosa, if things are going to, and again, it looks like if the preseason is in indication, Sala, it looks like he is going to be allowed to,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Blitz a lot more because that was one of the things when he was here the first time we rarely ever blitz that was just not something we did, but in the precies and again, I didn't think it really need to that's true, but again, it's one of those things where.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was one of the things I said when we reassign to him is that, you know, I am not questioning his ability to coach, but this is by far, and if you go and you just, you know, empirically look at it, this is going to be police talented defense, he is coach, says coordinator in a league by a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's just a lot of, you know, obviously he's gotten Nick and he's got, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got for it, but there are, there's just a, and I don't know, maybe these guys are all good players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe that's the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm looking at this defensive depth chart and, you know, 80% of these players are either starter level or solid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know replacement level players and if that happens with his coaching we might be able to surprise but It's going to be it's going to be a work in progress.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to have to coach these guys up and they're going to have to They're going to be doing things that they just haven't done before so I'm skeptical until I see it And so I you know as a 49er fan I'm hoping that guys like Louver and then Lucas and Martin can

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, pay off some of that promise that they show in the preseason and they guy like winners can take a step forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and I'm not holding.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm personally not holding him to, you know, feeling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Drake Greenlaw shoes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's unfair to him to have that be the benchmark that we are um holding him to but if you can take a step forward specifically in the run game he played very well statistically and on tape in the past game it was just in the run game that he was not

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[SPEAKER_01]: very effective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe we can do something like we were talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about at the left hand with them at live back with you know winners playing pass and downs and maybe Nick Martin.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mixing in on run down because that's a, I didn't see it in the preseason, but that's supposed to be his calling car.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it'll be in for it to go well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some were all of those things are going to have to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These guys are going to have to step up and make plays basically because that, you know, I,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't, I was not as out on soreness and is everybody else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just saw a lot of bad football out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see necessarily that in maybe I'm just not qualified to that's possible too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't see a bunch of guys out of position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a lot of guys missing tackles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a lot of guys not getting off block.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a lot of guys getting beat in coverage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's not

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[SPEAKER_01]: The coach is full.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's best just bad play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we get that level to play, I don't care if it's, you know, um, the ability to coordinate a defensive do's can't play the scheme, you know, is not going especially at this level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The scheme is not going to cover that up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If all of a sudden this this current core just falls apart and it's more of a repeat of last year, which if it's a repeat of last year, then you're talking about

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a tear down coming, I think the Niners will invest in the current core as long as they are competitive, but if they feel that the current core is not, then I think we may see some roster turnover.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From the guys that we were talking about, some of the big-time players that they have, for me, it kind of starts and ends with both sides of the offensive and defensive line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if I, if I remember the best 49er teams, they often dominate the line of scrimmage, especially on the defensive side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is something that, you know, when we were looking at the playoff last year, and I was just saying like, I don't see Kansas City having a chance to

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[SPEAKER_00]: beat Philadelphia because the way that I see play a football working is if you have a dominant defensive line like that is maybe the most important thing and they they wall up them in this world.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And now now I'm not saying I'm this crazy prognosticator, but it's just one of the things that I see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: as related to a dominant football team, but if we see a similar what you were explaining with Bosa and how Bosa probably had just as good of a year as he's had except he just didn't have the pieces to help him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we see another season like that, I could definitely see a 500 or below 500 football team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If this reworked defensive line is not pushing the offensive line in the other direction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can definitely see that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then on the flip side again, offensive line, I don't think that we believe they really even have a

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a B plus outside of Trent who, you know, Trent seems like he's like, okay, I got one, I'm coming back for one last ride because I think that last year was a little bit of a fluke and we can kind of get back to what we were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But outside of him, you know, I'm not sure that, you know, they may have average starters at best.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to me, it starts and ends with offensive and defensive line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if we don't see improved play this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that would be a reason to believe that maybe it does fall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are some of your thoughts on where it all breaks down for the Niners, if they're not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: going to be interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've got several thoughts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to circle back to you mentioned CMC and I, you know, there was a lot of talk when they traded for Brian Robinson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I happened to agree with you that he is the cornerstone to unlocking the best version of this team and that's

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[SPEAKER_01]: you're going to bring in if the notion was what we're going to do is we are going to have him on a pitch count and we are going to limit his reps then if that was something that this team was interested in doing, then trading in Jordan Mason was one of the most

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because Brian, let's be real, Brian Robinson is not a running back one A. That's just not what he is and people tell me he started and that's fine to to, you know, the

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[SPEAKER_01]: in Washington for the past two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get out of here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not going to take carries off of Christian McCaffrey's plate and put them on Brian Robinson's plate if you're smart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to tell me that you want to low managed Christian McCaffrey, I believe you low managed Christian McCaffrey from Monday to Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You do not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And or if you want to do it on Sunday, if you want to take him from

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, he got like, he had 17% of the targets here in 2023.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to bump that up to 20 to 22% and you rejigger, I think his, his touches need to stay the same.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you want to take some of his carries and make them receptions,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a good idea, but what I don't think you do is reduce his overall usage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that's nuts because having him out there, just the threat of him being out there, is valuable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And from the first game he was here, we saw he is not a guy who is really about not being in the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the best shots ever, there were those first games,

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[SPEAKER_01]: when he came, when he was traded here, when he would be out of the game, when he just dead on the sidelines, what his helmet on, ready to go back in, he is just a football player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is, I just, I don't think that you serve yourself by taking a ball,

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[SPEAKER_01]: out of Christian's hands or taking him off the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the threat of Christian and the lack of the threat of Christian with more of a, I mean, again, obviously, people didn't have his greatest year, and then once PA was gone, that changes the complexion of offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think anything affected the offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I say all this when

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at the numbers, the free nighter's office still wasn't terrible last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was shocked at how good the metrics were, you know, they were, they weren't as good as they had been, but they weren't, they weren't by no means like a bottom third of the lead team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They were still a competent office.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just that when you take somebody like Christian

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that a big part of this offense is obviously he is a productive player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't mean to say that he isn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that the idea of Christian McAfrey, there is

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[SPEAKER_01]: there's something to the fact that you can't be out there and kind of like the Steph Curry theory that there's a gravity that he has that you know you have to account for him and that so that's other people eat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just I just I I strongly push back on the notion that somehow

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what we need to do is, you know, get Brian Robinson out on the field more.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's ridiculous to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he mimics some of the things that Christian does well better than Jordan Mason and could that be the reason why they looked at like, as let's say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I don't I think it's going to be really hard to take Christian out of the game, especially if these games are tight because you take him off the I don't I don't know if there's a stat like this that exists but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, points per play for a player on the field like Christians got to be one of the highest in the league as far as expected opportunity and expected scoring when he's in you take him off and you put in Brian Robinson that has got to drop precipitously.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can understand

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[SPEAKER_00]: If Rob's and does some things that Christian does well, that you can, you may be able to kind of get him in for a series or two and not really skip that much of a beat, but at the same time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Christians on the field all the time because he is so good and because he takes not only when he has the ball, he does stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when he's just running a route to see the defense, just all move in his direction, like that is so beneficial to their offense and to Brock Perty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but do you think that Robinson does more things that may be best for

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, well, there's no question that Jordan Mason is a different kind of back, and, you know, he is more of a north-south ripping runner, and it's the thing that came to my mind when you were asking the question was that

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a different deal than when you have Christian McCaffrey running a wheel route 15 yards down to you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to cover Jordan Mason the same way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You cover Christian McCaffrey's live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a real live threat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think Brian Robinson is more of a threat than JP in terms of that, talking to a lot of

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cliff's grand plan was to

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[SPEAKER_01]: use Brian Robinson more like Debo last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And well, it was so well, they decided to try to just go get the real Debo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, again, people shit on Debo, but I mean, it's been six years and everybody is still looking for a Debo and nobody's around another one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is one of one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she does have a lot of that type of skill set.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't catch the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, you know, he's not, he woke us nobody's depot, but he, he is probably a better backup for Christian than J.P.

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[SPEAKER_01]: was because it was just, it was clear that Jordan Mason, he's, he's more than a backup and, clearly, the minister Vikings thought so,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have been nice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was really excited to have him as a backup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, wow, this is, we are, we're in a real good spot with him there if anything were to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe he was just too good to, for that, to have that kind of luxury.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause obviously, the diner's horn is gonna pay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He also got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they had already drafted Garendo, and you could tell Shanahan was really intrigued with Garendo, but then Garendo got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they just were the lock at their RB position line.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, how many games did Taylor have to pull?

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[SPEAKER_00]: How many games did Taylor play?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he's like their fourth or fifth string running back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he played at least two or three games for them in a starting role.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That, you know, and he was crazy because Jordan Mason for

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[SPEAKER_01]: That time he was like, he was like reading the league in usage, but yeah, why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he got a lot of carries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, you know, so he was, it wasn't like he played three or four plays and got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was, he was, if his, he was like, we could have been up there with,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Henry and Sake Juan, if he, you know, for a full season, he was being given the ball a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's, it's going to be real, it's going to be interesting to see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You had mentioned it off this line and, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got with my 2025 boss office of Dominac in my email every day, shout out to Trinch Warfare.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a real good site if you guys want to check out Brandon Thorne.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does a great job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to put the minutia of office of wine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're geeky like I am on that kind of stuff, then it was real interesting how it's poorly sweet graded out online, everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, we like the oldest line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like the least amount of draft capitals spent on a line in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Looks like the widest line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're one of the most of the least athletic lines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just when you look at just about in every category, we're like at the bottom, which is kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's telling about our glitch, just speaks to the lack of the resources, monetarily draft-wise, that we have put into that position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting that we have been able to be as successful as we have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you're using that inefficiency, but when you look at the thing about that is you look around the league, it's not like, you know, you said you said it best when you said there's a market inefficiency with offensive linemen, particularly tackles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is the way to do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you know, if throwing, if you got teams at a throwing, you know, a lot of money and draft capital added and they still stink.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's maybe that is maybe money and draft picks aren't the answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a it's a it's a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those guys have to play well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have to, um, you need Pony to take a step forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, you know, I just don't think Brenda was very good, but we haven't been able, nobody they brought in has been able to replace him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but those guys really do, we have to be able to run the ball and we have to be able to

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[SPEAKER_01]: pressure to protect the past or, you know, we have the lightest offensive line in the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he further breaks it down through the center, the car center, car and again, we're like the lightest by a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I will continue to say, if you look at the Drew Breeze model in New Orleans, they were always one of the

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[SPEAKER_01]: In front of breeze, you know, and it just makes this when you have a smaller quarterback, you want to keep that pressure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want him to be able to step up into that pocket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't want to have pressure in his space.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, I think that's where, you know, a guy like Brock can develop bad habits.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just with, you know, you kind of feel spam pressure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because he has so much real pressure, Daddy has to deal with that he kind of just starts to drift.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even when the pocket is solid, you know, it just, it becomes, you know, because no, you know, it always kills me when he talks about and you hear,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bill Simmons talked about Aaron Rodgers now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't like to keep doesn't want to get hit, but who who does?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a quarterback that does want to get hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's heavy on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's heavy on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the only one who enjoyed your hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, it's so I just, it's been, it's been interesting watching them build after flying and it'll be, it's going to be interesting to see if these

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[SPEAKER_01]: play well because again, this Brandon Thorne, he's another one who says that a guy like McKibitz is going to be a pretty hot commodity out on the free agent market next year and it's just watching him in a vacuum, he's gotten better, but I don't really think he's very good,

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[SPEAKER_01]: as opposed to their right tackle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just, it's a really, really interesting position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're going to be important to what we do on offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In our vision of if things go well, it has to include those guys playing well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the over under is for wins, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we just went through all the things that worry us and the things that we are hopeful for for the season, realistically, what are you putting their win total at for your prediction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm checking now, but I bet it in April, it was 10 and a half and I took the under column.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that, you know, that's saying, you know, that's one of those things of how do you bet against your team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's one of those things where I hope you'll lose that pit if I am wrong for me to lose that bet they have to win 11 games and if they win 11 games that's great, you know, I'm happy to lose that money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We get it's still at 10 and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Things would have to go perfectly for us to be on 11 or 12, when I just don't see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would be happy at 10 and 7.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we are a 10 and 17, that would be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that would be 10 and 7.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell, he's been 9 and 8.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After last year, with all of these young players,

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[SPEAKER_01]: 9 or 10 wins with all the youth that we have injected to this roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a great step forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, because you look, when you look at the depth, you know, the 53-man roster all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got young players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are much different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, differently composed scene.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then we have been over the past several years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, how good are these guys?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what I, again, I, I, I continue to say, I would rather develop young guys and go through the growing pains of that, um, to have these guys at year two and

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[SPEAKER_01]: This year plus three more years of somebody like Connor Colby at guard or Drew Moss, you know, developing the me drafting developing and then, you know, whether or not we resine them, that's a whole other story, but I am excited about the prospect of drafting and developing guys and

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[SPEAKER_01]: didn't if we get back to a place where we need players and then you go out and you sign free agents or whatnot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know that, you know, I'm kind of glad we have gotten off of this tractor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just we're going to, you know, try to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take no duct tape and bubble gum at a get it for one more run at Super Bowl because I don't think that they I wouldn't necessarily call this a rebuild, but I wouldn't call it a reload either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's it's hard to for you to tell me that your.

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[SPEAKER_01]: big free agent signing or not only I don't even know who you would say there was if there was it we know what Jason Pennock is you're free agent signing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was they have just rebuilt this roster and they've got a it's a hot younger or still one of the oldest teams in the league, but.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you've got a lot you've injected a lot of young blood all around this roster and hopefully these young guys can contribute and if they can contribute, okay, if they're able just to contribute and we're able to find like I say five or six solid NFL players and we go 6 and 11 again

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[SPEAKER_01]: but if we are able to identify five or six young players and they're able to coach them up and get us to nine or ten wins, that would be a successful extreme successful season in my mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are we, you know, I just, I don't

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just don't have the delusions that just somehow we're gonna end up in Levi in February.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just been here long enough to see good teams and I've seen bad teams and I know what a good team looks like on paper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're not as good as the 2023 team was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, who knows?

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[SPEAKER_01]: B.A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: comes back and all of these other moving parts fall in place and you know that's the thing I was talking to somebody else to I was talking to somebody today and they made the point in its true and I guess it could kind of flies in the face of what I said is more more so than I can ever remember this person said that and I agree that more so as I can ever remember you know it's at the playoff star tournament and once you get to the tournament then you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, once you get there, you know, now it's just three games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All you got to do is win three games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now that's, that's easier said than done, but if you can get there, maybe if you're getting there and you're developing and you're playing your best football at that time in December, maybe you get hot, you know, so that I guess that that will be the

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just it's just hard man when you look at teams like the Packers and the Eagles and when you look at their rosters versus our rosters and it's just it's it's just those things aren't the same and I even is optimistic as I am as a 49er Pan I have to acknowledge that this roster isn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not Super Bowl calibrated and that's okay because I'm not a fan, my fandom doesn't require me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that if you don't go to or win the Super Bowl, it's a season of failure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that if you can, I think there is, because I'm here for the long haul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been here for 40 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be here for another 40.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I see, um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a benefit to growth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I can see that young players are coming along and this roster is getting younger and somebody like Matt Henderson develops and he's not really a young guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if he could somehow develop and be a brindler out of here, that would be a good development through somebody like Austin Pleasant can develop into a swing tackle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, because the my biggest fear is seeing a Spencer Berford is that I'm sitting here looking at the death card and seeing his name behind Trump Williams is one of the scariest things that um, that I the notion or the thought that Spencer Berford could get reps at left tackle is

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[SPEAKER_01]: that that that just can't happen because he was just so bad in the preseason objectively bad.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the trash players but he was you just wasn't good you know but I guess you know he's the best they could come up with so yeah so I'm I'm excited for the season in a different way obviously it feels good like you know when you it feels better

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[SPEAKER_01]: like we were in 2023, when you have a legitimate shot to win a championship, that feels good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm also excited about developing some of these young guys and seeing this defense under

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[SPEAKER_01]: to see if they can develop these young guys and develop this defense into something that is good for this year and then lays down the building block for something moving forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think 10 wins sounds right because 10 wins means there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in the running for the division, I think, or at least pretty close.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're probably in the running for the wild card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you even don't have to fight for that last spot at 10 and 7.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're probably doing okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what it looks like to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, they may be able to beat some of these teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they may have like a

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[SPEAKER_00]: a Jaguar's like good record where you're like mm, they beat up on a sorry division, but when they play good teams, they may not be as good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see that as well for the 49ers, but I think 10 wins is the number that I would look at as, okay, this is a good season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Before we move on and I want to get some of the props that you have, we have

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[SPEAKER_00]: years a little while ago we had a discord and I didn't like the way that it it worked and so we got rid of it clean slate we rebranded our valkyries and warrior show to use the the overall brand of golden state hoop and there's a lot of valkyries excitement around YouTube and around podcast stuff and there's just not a lot of places to talk valkyries because they're so new

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we created a discord kind of around the idea of a place for Valkyries chat and warriors as well, but it's not just going to be that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have channels for 49ers and giants and any of the other bay teams and also, you know, for whenever we put out a show, we'll link in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wanted to let folks know that it is kind of in this soft launch right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're still putting things

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[SPEAKER_00]: But 49er fans, if you are out there and you want to come hang out in the discord, I will have a game chat going every game and also posting all of the news in our news channel that that happens pretty.

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[SPEAKER_00]: up to date, I would say, I can get, I get stuff up pretty quickly as it happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you are interested GG at BSPN Media dot com, it is a private discord at this point.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure if I'm going to open it up to everyone, but right now, soft launch, there will be threads for 49er games this weekend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll have all the news and all the stuff heading into the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So GG at BSPN Media.com, if you want, in invite to our soft launch, we've got some valks people in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's been cool to see who's interested in talking about the stuff that we love and the stuff that we cover.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so what are some of the props that you have that you are interested that you may

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, like I said, my, my biggest bit this off season was that Niners under, um, but I love all of the, the, um, trying to find them now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love all, I'm trying to keep it 49er centric.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love all of the Jewish kiddo props.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, I want, I love him over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And his futures are his, I love him over yards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I love him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's touchdowns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The yards, catches touchdowns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of it is our really, yeah, there we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts for George Kittle, the over under.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like the R&VP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's five.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it would be probably not a R&VP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like over six and a half touchdowns that not that bad yard is the number is way up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I bet that it was 750 when I bet it in April is like now 900 so I don't know about that would now seems like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: what we've been talking about, which is without BA and without Debo, who's pretty comfortable throwing to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, now Jennings is back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is some of that yardage may have had to do with the possibility of Jennings being out in the, you know, for the beginning of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But now he is back, so that there will be some attention there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think, you know, if kiddo,

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[SPEAKER_00]: because it's very clear that he and Perti have great chemistry and I would sense that if George Kittle plays anywhere from, you know, 14 to 16 games, those props sound like Gimmies to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I also, I, I like, I like Brock is crazy as that sounds with all of the

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[SPEAKER_01]: the um Tosternation around who is he gonna throw to I just I just think that um he is going to I think he's gonna have a really good season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean he is coming into his own and obviously he got paid but

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just, I'm really excited about the season that he is going to have, well, he is 22 to one for the MVP.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 23 and a half touchdowns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I love that over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he crushes 3800 yards.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I just, I know, it's sound, I mean, who is he going to throw it to?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's what, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I first, I think he's going to throw it to Christian McCaffrey and George Kittle and, like you say, now with JJ.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Back and I think that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Going to my next guy, I think that, um, Parker, um, personal pretty Ricky is going to be a sneaky, um, target monster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he can, I don't know what he's going to do yard as wise, but I like him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I like his, I got him at over, over 50 and a half catches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's stealing money for him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's going to think he's going to blow past that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how the target distribution is going to break down, but I think he's going to, especially while I, you, is out, I think he's going to see his fair share targets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Isn't it wild that last year, it felt like all of the noise was on whether Brock was going to be good or not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and then he has he had a good season he didn't have a great season he got paid and now no one's saying anything about him as far as whether he's you know whether he's a elite quarterback or not i think it's just wild out the stories can just

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[SPEAKER_00]: move on to, you know, whatever the stories are going to be, or whatever the stories are right now, Dallas is soaking up a lot of the attention and Aaron Rogers is always soaking up a lot of the attention, but like even, Mahomes, you know, Mahomes had a down year from the perspective of, you know, Gody passing stats and, you know, they, they got blown out in the Super Bowl, but it's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: what do you what do you expect from homes is he going to see going to come back have this crazy comeback season well he also still doesn't have you know the crazy weapons and his his homey Kelsey's probably going to be done after this year what does that mean for him like there's there's some a lot of the names that are usually out there like seems like people have moved on and I'm like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, who are the targets this year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who's going to get the Brock hate from Steven?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What's that guy's name from the ringer?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who just was all over Brock last year?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But so it's just funny how things the narrative can just move on and you just forget about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I agree with you about Brock season because the one thing that he proved last year is even when he wasn't

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[SPEAKER_00]: as precise as the year before and there were a lot of reasons for that, he still put up the counting stats like crazy because of the fact that Kyle Shanahan is, you know, he's going to get guys open and there's going to be lots of opportunity and then they're behind and a lot of these games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was thrown the ball a lot more probably than they wanted to, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think he's going to have a similar, maybe not the two seasons ago, but probably in the middle between two seasons ago in last year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if that is the case, then he probably blows through those as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the only thing, and this is what is unpredictable about this stuff is somebody gets hurt and miss his five games and you're just screwed on with your, with your part with your props.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As we sat here last year, no, like, this, this, um, Christian McAfrey over four and a half touchdowns.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is stealing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Play Niners are pretending that, uh, they're being truthful about stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I also looked at, uh, I also looked at their Super Bowl odds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're Super Bowl odds are surprisingly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: higher than I would have thought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, you and I are not the cheerleading, you know, pom-pom raising kind of fans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you mentioned as well that the Niners are pretty popular franchise, so with that comes some lower odds than maybe some other teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the top odds for

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[SPEAKER_00]: The favorites are the Ravens, the Bills and the Eagles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, based on what book you look at, they're kind of close around the odds.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then after that is Kansas City.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, all Kansas City does is go to Super Bowl and they have the fourth best odds to get there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then after that, there is a group that includes the Niners,

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[SPEAKER_00]: with Green Bay, Washington, the Bengals, the Rams, the Niners, they're all kind of in this mix close together.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have thought that the Niners would actually be a level below that group, but they are with that group, so I was kind of surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, not that I would bet the Niners to make the Super Bowl or anything like that, but it just shows you what some of the fans or the national teams or the outlooks are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Another thing that I looked at today was the athletics power rankings and the Niners were a little bit closer to what I would have thought in that power rankers there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they were 15th.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, not quite in the middle, but not very far from the middle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a good place to be at the start considering, you know, they won six games last year, whatever it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's a little bit more realistic to what I'm thinking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think if you are 15, you're going up from there as long as you play good football.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you get below 15, then yeah, that's a rough season for the team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you see them fitting in the division, by the way?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who do you like in that division?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's going to be a, I think it's going to be a rock fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I can make the case for all four teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can argue, I can make an argument for all four of them winning the division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could make an argument for all four of the finishing last and the division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that it's going to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be really, really close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I spent a lot of time studying each of those things like this game on Sunday is going to be interesting because they are like mirror images of each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Seahawks brought in Clint Kubeyak to be able to run the Shannon Han offense because they want to be able to run the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to get

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[SPEAKER_01]: they want to make Ken Walker their Christian McAfrey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, they are trying to get their offensive mind and run games game, run game together.

01:07:45.561 --> 01:07:58.211
[SPEAKER_01]: And obviously, on the flip side, we have no idea of what our run defense is going to be, is going to look like because if it's anything like it was last year, it's going to be a problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, right out of the gate, that's going to be an

01:08:03.801 --> 01:08:11.406
[SPEAKER_01]: I, and quietly, I know it sounds crazy, but I think the Cardinals are going to be a sneaky good team.

01:08:11.526 --> 01:08:14.127
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they've got a lot of talent over there.

01:08:14.147 --> 01:08:19.070
[SPEAKER_01]: They had a really good draft, they seem to really respond again.

01:08:20.292 --> 01:08:26.454
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, Kyler seems to have matured and, um, he says he wants to run again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was what I was going to say.

01:08:28.595 --> 01:08:48.981
[SPEAKER_01]: That's very, that was very, um, interesting for it to hear him say that, um, that that is something that needs to be a part of his game, which I agree that it is, it really unlocks him if you can, even on a red.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because when the Niners play the Cardinals, I'm far more fearful of a third and seven, where I'm worried that Kyler is going to scramble for the first down, because he's so elusive.

01:09:02.816 --> 01:09:07.138
[SPEAKER_00]: I am less worried, and I'm usually more relieved

01:09:08.037 --> 01:09:34.817
[SPEAKER_00]: when he's throwing on 3rd and 7 from the point into some, you know, he's got Harrison and such, but like that is like the scary part of his game is being able to pick up first downs when the defense almost does everything right and if he can do that he is, you know, he is very valuable to to that offense in the way that hasn't been in the last couple years.

01:09:35.773 --> 01:09:39.874
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of like Russ in the heyday of the Seahawks.

01:09:40.354 --> 01:09:46.796
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the, he was the bane of our existence with that, where we have everything defensive perfectly.

01:09:46.856 --> 01:09:50.517
[SPEAKER_01]: And then scoop out 15 yards, first down.

01:09:50.618 --> 01:09:52.898
[SPEAKER_01]: And it just breaks your heart.

01:09:53.598 --> 01:09:56.679
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in that, that is what he brings you.

01:09:56.719 --> 01:10:03.481
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you know, Marv didn't have the season that everybody kind of was expecting, but it wasn't like he was trash.

01:10:05.895 --> 01:10:11.678
[SPEAKER_01]: he is an interesting player and then McBride is just like a target monster there.

01:10:11.698 --> 01:10:23.063
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think this is going to be a really competitive division and I hope the 49ers can stay in the mix, but I think that you're right with your assessment.

01:10:23.363 --> 01:10:29.546
[SPEAKER_01]: I think 10 wins puts you in a very good position to win that division.

01:10:35.727 --> 01:10:45.289
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, probably when it's a division and you know, staffer, you know, the ramps kind of go where staffer goes, because I, you know, it's been a long time since I've seen Jimmy play.

01:10:45.309 --> 01:10:48.269
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know what you can come back from him.

01:10:49.069 --> 01:10:56.911
[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, that being said, you know, we've seen Jimmy, you know, we saw Jimmy in a Super Bowl once upon a time.

01:10:56.951 --> 01:11:02.672
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not like I think that if I think that they take a step back, the staffer does not dare.

01:11:06.027 --> 01:11:08.408
[SPEAKER_01]: Jimmy is, you know, just trash.

01:11:08.588 --> 01:11:12.991
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think it's going to be a very competitive division.

01:11:14.551 --> 01:11:18.153
[SPEAKER_01]: More so than it has been in a long time.

01:11:18.213 --> 01:11:20.294
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm excited about it, actually.

01:11:22.015 --> 01:11:26.017
[SPEAKER_00]: So you and I will be back Sunday.

01:11:26.217 --> 01:11:30.019
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't go right after the game because I have something to do.

01:11:30.339 --> 01:11:31.920
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I didn't be able to watch you in the game.

01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:34.061
[SPEAKER_00]: I made like be watching the end of the game on my phone.

01:11:36.095 --> 01:11:44.419
[SPEAKER_00]: So what we'll go as long as you can go, we can try and go Sunday night and do our normal recap.

01:11:44.839 --> 01:11:48.841
[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, we hit episode 100 today of this show.

01:11:49.021 --> 01:11:50.382
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, incredible.

01:11:50.782 --> 01:11:51.922
[SPEAKER_00]: Congratulations.

01:11:52.242 --> 01:11:52.683
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.

01:11:52.743 --> 01:11:53.443
[SPEAKER_00]: This is awesome.

01:11:54.360 --> 01:11:56.561
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, that was a cool little number for that.

01:11:56.581 --> 01:11:57.502
[SPEAKER_00]: I was looking at today.

01:11:58.562 --> 01:12:11.710
[SPEAKER_00]: So last thing for one of good at here, because Brian and I on Golden State hoop, we had this conversation because I was very interested to see where Steph Curry fits in the pantheon of Bay Area athletes.

01:12:12.250 --> 01:12:13.331
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I asked my dad,

01:12:14.191 --> 01:12:17.674
[SPEAKER_00]: who was probably watching sports.

01:12:17.694 --> 01:12:19.215
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say early 60s.

01:12:19.295 --> 01:12:21.657
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a young kid in the early 60s.

01:12:22.418 --> 01:12:27.522
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I started, well, I can, I've memories of like 83 season for all three teams.

01:12:28.183 --> 01:12:33.347
[SPEAKER_00]: And then Brian is about, he, he said he thought maybe 2006, 2007 is when he can really remember some of the sports.

01:12:37.350 --> 01:12:43.333
[SPEAKER_00]: So my dad, I said, okay, who's the Mount Rushmore of your lifetime for Bay Area sports?

01:12:44.053 --> 01:12:48.535
[SPEAKER_00]: And originally, he took the question as like, you know, who were important to him.

01:12:48.575 --> 01:12:50.356
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's like throwing out John Brody.

01:12:50.376 --> 01:12:52.676
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, no, like Montana has to be Montana.

01:12:52.716 --> 01:12:55.878
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're going to pick a 40 enters quarterback, just based off of the Super Bowl.

01:12:55.898 --> 01:12:58.639
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know, Joe is a Bay Area royalty.

01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:02.961
[SPEAKER_00]: So he finally went Willie Mays.

01:13:04.666 --> 01:13:07.251
[SPEAKER_00]: Steph Curry, Joe and Jerry.

01:13:08.515 --> 01:13:14.899
[SPEAKER_00]: I had Steph Joe and Jerry, but my Willie Mays is obviously Barry bonds because I didn't get to see Willie play.

01:13:14.959 --> 01:13:19.501
[SPEAKER_00]: So I, and I told Brian, I was like, if you didn't see them play, you can't pick them.

01:13:19.561 --> 01:13:21.782
[SPEAKER_00]: Just in your lifetime, who you actually saw.

01:13:22.503 --> 01:13:35.450
[SPEAKER_00]: So Brian picked, and of course, because the warriors and the giants are winning titles and the Niners aren't in his lifetime, and you and from you and me, the Niners are winning titles in our lifetime, Brian went, Steph,

01:13:36.190 --> 01:13:40.033
[SPEAKER_00]: Dremon, KD, and Buster Posey.

01:13:40.753 --> 01:13:48.479
[SPEAKER_00]: So he's kind of iffy on the KD one, just because KD was only here for those three seasons.

01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:56.705
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I, my hypothesis was Steph Curry,

01:13:58.035 --> 01:14:06.117
[SPEAKER_00]: when it's all said and done, he's going to be remembered with Willie Mays as the greatest Bay Area athlete of all time.

01:14:07.077 --> 01:14:14.139
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I had all those three lists, I was like, okay, like that kind of, you know, that resonates with my hypothesis.

01:14:14.719 --> 01:14:19.520
[SPEAKER_00]: So who would you put on your Mount Rushmore of, you know, Bay Area athletes?

01:14:19.600 --> 01:14:23.861
[SPEAKER_00]: You growing up as an Asfan, you may have Ricky Henderson on there.

01:14:24.921 --> 01:14:25.481
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.

01:14:26.341 --> 01:14:31.683
[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, you, you know, you and I are very similar as far as what we grew up watching.

01:14:31.723 --> 01:14:33.103
[SPEAKER_00]: So what would be your amount, Rushmore?

01:14:34.243 --> 01:14:44.566
[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's interesting that because I am, I am young, I'm old enough that I,

01:14:47.318 --> 01:14:57.740
[SPEAKER_01]: I was born, and there's like pictures of me at the, you know, I was like two years old, but there's pictures of me at the 74-world series.

01:14:59.041 --> 01:15:15.805
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, my mother talks about how I used to run around saying, Reggie Reggie, Reggie, but I was just, you know, I was too young to be to fully my memories of Reggie Jackson,

01:15:17.970 --> 01:15:28.318
[SPEAKER_01]: and hearing about him as an Oakland A. So yeah, it would definitely be staff and Ricky for sure.

01:15:31.260 --> 01:15:40.126
[SPEAKER_01]: That very bonds, the very bonds experience was just something that if you

01:15:42.105 --> 01:15:45.007
[SPEAKER_01]: I was so it was for all the wrong.

01:15:45.027 --> 01:15:46.749
[SPEAKER_01]: Remember mother would have gotten sick.

01:15:46.969 --> 01:15:50.291
[SPEAKER_01]: So I was there for this.

01:15:50.451 --> 01:15:53.733
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in the Bay Area for the 72 home run season.

01:15:53.914 --> 01:15:58.217
[SPEAKER_01]: And me and my uncle kind of bonded over him.

01:15:59.277 --> 01:16:04.121
[SPEAKER_01]: Then she got better and then towards the end of the year, she was taking classes.

01:16:05.006 --> 01:16:09.608
[SPEAKER_01]: at University of Phoenix down there by the stadium.

01:16:09.949 --> 01:16:15.051
[SPEAKER_01]: So I never went to any games because you know, it was like a really hot ticket side.

01:16:15.131 --> 01:16:16.272
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't had that kind of bread.

01:16:16.592 --> 01:16:25.997
[SPEAKER_01]: But just the energy around the city and around the stadium, that season was, it's, again, I wasn't

01:16:26.934 --> 01:16:27.735
[SPEAKER_01]: That was only there.

01:16:28.015 --> 01:16:32.519
[SPEAKER_01]: I was in the bay for the 22 championship.

01:16:32.759 --> 01:16:34.021
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was cool.

01:16:34.321 --> 01:16:36.062
[SPEAKER_01]: But I missed the other three.

01:16:36.102 --> 01:16:37.263
[SPEAKER_01]: I was living away.

01:16:37.764 --> 01:16:48.874
[SPEAKER_01]: So it that the the energy that's around it bonds and his home run chase was like nothing that I had.

01:16:49.655 --> 01:16:51.536
[SPEAKER_01]: ever experienced as a sports fan.

01:16:51.576 --> 01:16:54.979
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just, it was, it was so electric.

01:16:55.019 --> 01:16:57.841
[SPEAKER_01]: So he would be on there for me as well.

01:16:57.901 --> 01:17:11.050
[SPEAKER_01]: So Steph Ricky, um, and then as a nine or fan, it, it would come down to, I, I just think it's either Joe or Jerry for me.

01:17:11.771 --> 01:17:11.911
[SPEAKER_01]: And.

01:17:12.754 --> 01:17:17.758
[SPEAKER_01]: Jerry Rice in my opinion is the greatest player ever to put on cleats.

01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:28.728
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just gonna want to go with Jerry just for that reason, but you can easily make the case for Joe.

01:17:29.549 --> 01:17:36.074
[SPEAKER_01]: It's either for me as the nine of representative on the Mount Rushmore is either Joe or Jerry.

01:17:40.838 --> 01:17:48.380
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to argue with you, but this my list and this so it would be step Ricky Barry and Jerry.

01:17:49.200 --> 01:17:50.620
[SPEAKER_01]: No, and I like the illiteration.

01:17:50.641 --> 01:17:57.662
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you were able to get one player from each of the four teams.

01:17:57.702 --> 01:18:03.764
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, depending on what, what area of the Raiders, you know, because Raiders are right there in Oakland, then they're gone, then they're back.

01:18:05.909 --> 01:18:08.070
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, no, this is awesome.

01:18:08.170 --> 01:18:23.015
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, you know, Steph Curry kind of just on all of the all of the lists, which was and he's going to be like you say he's going to be good like you say, but if you are a person of a certain age.

01:18:23.713 --> 01:18:35.106
[SPEAKER_01]: Willie Mays is in terms of Barry sports fan and I think that Steph is going to be that for several generations look of people as well.

01:18:35.647 --> 01:18:43.757
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I think it's I think it's I think it's Willie Steph and Jerry would be the top three because.

01:18:46.510 --> 01:19:04.554
[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that Steph doesn't have because Steph has the championships, Willie doesn't have one in the Bay Area, but he's got one in New York, but the thing that separates like Steph also isn't known as the greatest basketball player of all time and Willie's known as the greatest baseball player of all time and he played the majority of his current San Francisco.

01:19:04.594 --> 01:19:06.214
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is that thing.

01:19:06.254 --> 01:19:11.015
[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, Barry is kind of right below him, but I don't think I would put Barry.

01:19:11.789 --> 01:19:19.493
[SPEAKER_00]: above Willie Barry does have the home run record, but he isn't he is not considered by the people who have seen both players.

01:19:19.913 --> 01:19:23.635
[SPEAKER_00]: He is not considered to be the greatest of all time, whereas Willie still is.

01:19:24.295 --> 01:19:25.136
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would lean.

01:19:25.156 --> 01:19:32.219
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know the bear, you know, is as big an ego is Barry has.

01:19:32.259 --> 01:19:34.400
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if he would put himself above him.

01:19:34.780 --> 01:19:35.381
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.

01:19:36.021 --> 01:19:37.962
[SPEAKER_00]: So then you have

01:19:40.870 --> 01:19:49.665
[SPEAKER_00]: you have Jerry Rice, four championships, Joe Montana, four championships.

01:19:50.286 --> 01:19:52.690
[SPEAKER_00]: So they're close, but I think like you said,

01:19:54.073 --> 01:20:17.364
[SPEAKER_00]: people consider Jerry Rice to be maybe the best football player of all time whether you have Jerry or Walter Peyton or Lawrence Taylor or like but Jerry is in that disconnect conversation yeah he is in that conversation and from a quarterback perspective Joe Montana kind of gets replaced by Tom Brady but to to my point in that argument is always that

01:20:18.272 --> 01:20:26.218
[SPEAKER_00]: The NFL that Tom Brady played in more resembled like passing league than the NFL that Joe Montana had to have to play.

01:20:26.258 --> 01:20:29.661
[SPEAKER_00]: And the rules had changed, which doesn't make the accomplishments any lesser.

01:20:29.761 --> 01:20:36.946
[SPEAKER_00]: But maybe the Goddy statistics that that Brady put up, you kind of have to look at those with a grain of salt.

01:20:37.286 --> 01:20:37.446
[SPEAKER_00]: But

01:20:38.285 --> 01:21:07.962
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that just this conversation just tells you how many not only how many tremendous athletes but how many tremendous teams like what area has all three teams, you know, and it lets include the A's from the 70s in the 80s just the amount of championships in this area is incredible and then if you can if you include the Raiders for the 70s and 80s too, I mean it was a very very

01:21:09.010 --> 01:21:12.291
[SPEAKER_01]: fertile sports landscape.

01:21:12.431 --> 01:21:14.872
[SPEAKER_01]: It was, and it was great growing up in it.

01:21:14.932 --> 01:21:17.093
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I hated the Raiders.

01:21:17.153 --> 01:21:18.433
[SPEAKER_01]: I was the only one in my family.

01:21:18.473 --> 01:21:19.854
[SPEAKER_01]: So affected everybody else.

01:21:20.474 --> 01:21:21.815
[SPEAKER_01]: Or for Raider fans.

01:21:21.895 --> 01:21:27.237
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, that's my, that's my lot is I kind of see it when everybody's agging.

01:21:28.137 --> 01:21:34.839
[SPEAKER_01]: When I came to, when I was coming of age as a, as a football fan,

01:21:37.440 --> 01:21:55.407
[SPEAKER_01]: And the Niners it just got good and so it was like a perfect come out of the nation of, you know, you know, the raiders were gone and then just in my world, the Niners just kind of slid in and I never looked back, but yeah, it was a it was a great time when you had.

01:21:56.563 --> 01:22:11.516
[SPEAKER_01]: all of those team, all five teams kind of going, you know, back then, in the 70s and 80s, the lawyers were, were not very good, and that's why, for me, you know, the

01:22:13.985 --> 01:22:18.426
[SPEAKER_01]: the championships were just so unexpectable.

01:22:18.486 --> 01:22:26.787
[SPEAKER_01]: I never thought that I would see a warrior championship, because I watched some pretty bad basketball.

01:22:28.108 --> 01:22:30.988
[SPEAKER_01]: If that was just, you know, that was my lot.

01:22:31.128 --> 01:22:33.489
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that and again, that's for me.

01:22:34.009 --> 01:22:36.709
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why Steph holds a special place,

01:22:40.602 --> 01:22:46.727
[SPEAKER_01]: He made, he made those kind of dreams come true for times.

01:22:46.807 --> 01:22:47.748
[SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy.

01:22:47.808 --> 01:22:48.669
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's crazy.

01:22:48.809 --> 01:22:51.771
[SPEAKER_01]: Really crazy to think that the warriors are for top champions.

01:22:51.932 --> 01:22:54.654
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, that's a great, that's a great thought exercise.

01:22:55.174 --> 01:22:57.036
[SPEAKER_01]: Lot of memories in that.

01:22:59.767 --> 01:23:00.647
[SPEAKER_01]: and thinking about that.

01:23:01.808 --> 01:23:04.469
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so that is it for our preview.

01:23:04.509 --> 01:23:10.970
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be back on Sunday evening at some point to talk about week one versus the sea hawks.

01:23:11.070 --> 01:23:19.773
[SPEAKER_00]: And I will admit, I don't like the NFL preseason and the training camp these days.

01:23:19.853 --> 01:23:26.355
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't really get a ton of information out of the training camp, because these teams are just trying to keep their players healthy.

01:23:28.553 --> 01:23:42.398
[SPEAKER_00]: As far as like intrigue and not really knowing what we have, I'm pretty excited for week one, just because I want to be able to make some sort of conclusions about this team that I'm not sure that I can necessarily make yet.

01:23:43.499 --> 01:23:46.660
[SPEAKER_00]: But anyways, so we'll be back on Sunday evening.

01:23:47.260 --> 01:23:51.282
[SPEAKER_00]: For Rod, I am double G, we will see you when we see you piece out.