49ers Lose to the Jags: Purdy's Bad Game, Bosa Injury Impact & Rams Preview | We Want Winners

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Rod, the 3NO start was great, no, but this lost to the Jacksonville Jaguars in week four here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to figure out why I wasn't as frustrated as I would have normally been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think I've kind of thought about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've broken it down as a two two reasons and you tell me what you thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first reason is because, even though they started out 3-0, I don't think we truly believe they are a 3-0 championship-contending style team at this point in the season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we'll talk about the Nick Bosa thing, but losing Nick Bosa for the season just makes that even more challenging than already that they were challenged.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you have a little bit of a cushion to have a game like this where you're like okay guys are coming back from injury Brock's got the toe we still have receivers pretty ricky is in and then he's out and then he's in and he's out and still no b a still no kiddo that kind of makes sense that you would have a slip-up kind of game

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[SPEAKER_01]: against a talented team like Jacksonville now, Jacksonville also is shoots themselves in the foot constantly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought that's what was going to happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought that's how the Niners are going to win the game was Trevor Lawrence and company.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have seven more delay of game penalties in the Niners.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to win it at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did not happen,

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[SPEAKER_01]: in some of the other game to season, but those two reasons I think for me, because as I was kind of examining my feelings, I was like, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not really that bothered even though this was such a porous performance that had they even played like a C plus game they probably maybe even eat it out, but they played like a D minus game and they only lost by five points maybe to some that's a little bit more frustrating but like how how did you examine overall once once this game was over were you ready to

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know throw throw something at the window or were you like that that's just one of those things that happens.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think I have just been more pessimistic than most have been all along.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it wasn't really surprising because that has been my common refrain on Facebook here lately

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seattle looks like they might be there they have the making they have a really good defense and you know Sam Darno is who Sam Darno is so that's it's gonna be hitting this with their offense I don't think the Cardinals as it turns out are very good football team and I know the saints aren't so we kind of have to take that three and oh

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of with a grain of salt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you banked the wins and that's great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I had been saying, again, all week that this next stretch of games is gonna tell us a lot about what this team is starting the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then we got to become back Thursday and then we've got Tampa after that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All three of those teams in different ways

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[SPEAKER_00]: really exacerbate the issues that I see with this roster and team and we saw today some of those things come to bear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They were able to kind of run the ball with impunity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They

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[SPEAKER_00]: record in terms of turning teams over, which for all of our, you know, it was something that this team just hasn't done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, there's a there was a glaring weakness in our ability to turn teams over, which I hope that we could kind of, because it, and we saw it today, you know, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Trevor Lawrence would throw you to ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you, you know, if you, and we had our hands on several level, we just couldn't, and the one that we got got, you know, turned over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, but yeah, up and spout, you know, up and stout had a little bit of a jersey and a pull there that it was actually pretty nifty because I didn't see it live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought it was pretty slick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then on the replay, then you're like, okay, that's why you got flagged.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then with you, you know, it turns out for turnovers and then a special team touchdown, that's just that's a awful lot to to overcome ultimately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, if you, there are there are many disappointing things about this game and we'll go through a lot of them here, but let's actually go back to last week because

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[SPEAKER_01]: when we were recording.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing that we had seen was Kyle Shanahan say something to the effect of we don't believe it's in ACL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I came on the air with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I also said but we'll know Monday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and on Monday it turned into a torn ACL so I don't know you know Kyle may have been hopeful or just maybe the initial diagnosis or the initial look was like okay maybe we're out of the woods here but I also heard

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[SPEAKER_01]: that folks talking to Nick Bosa had nix figured out exactly what it was and he was pretty sure that it was in the ACL tier so I don't know what the mix-up was Last week they hadn't done the imaging and all that stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just Kyle trying to you know trying to talk about the injury without having much information

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[SPEAKER_01]: But once we learned on Monday that he was going to be out, like I think the my idea of what they are as a football team and how they look compared to the rest of the NFC, I think they took a couple of steps down without him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was very apparent today because no sacks, no quarterback hits all game long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and going back to something you said about Trevor Lawrence, what was really good about their game plan and the first half is it was getting the ball out quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was looking to, you know, I don't even know if he really had to go to multiple looks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was like first receiver, second receiver, boom, we're just moving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going fast.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they had a strong running game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought there was a couple of ridiculous attempts at trying to tackle the ball carrier in that game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Pinock knocked out his own guy trying to make a tackle on that long touchdown run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, had they been able to get to him a little bit, I'm sure he was going to throw one or two, but you add to the fact that A, they had a good game plan for Lawrence and getting the ball at early.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't until the second half of the Niners defense dialed it up and started giving him different looks that he started to struggle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the inability to rush the pastor, I don't, I don't, I don't know how many times they really attempted to blitz.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I saw Fred kind of go in there a couple of times, but they did not really, it didn't seem like they were attempting to bring pressure that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's just one of those games where Nick Bosa's absence was maybe the like the biggest circle that you could look at the the biggest missing piece on the field was like literally the first game since his injury because I saw stat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: something like that had to do with pressures and maybe it was what I said about no sacks and no quarterback kits like for the first time in like 10 years or something like that they've they've had a game like that just shows you what they were missing and it doesn't vote well for the rest of the season if the one the first game that Bosa is out and they just they couldn't bring any pressure and at the same time

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[SPEAKER_01]: The defensive line just got pushed around and, you know, run all over for the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think I want to say that Jaguars may have had more yards rushing than passing in this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They absolutely did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was, it was very disconcerting how easily they were able to run the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 151 yards rushing 4.7 per rush.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a it was not a performance by our defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will say in the second half, I thought they tightened things up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, if you look at the box score, the majority of the damage was done in the first half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what was it said, it was at 176 at half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they scored nine more points.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of those was one of those was on a special team's touchdown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if you just look at the numbers, it does, you know, the, the, the Niners outscored the, the Jaguars in the second half 15 to nine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was the second quarter where the Jaguars outscored them 17 to three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like I said, if you take away that special teams touchdown, you know, they only gave up

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is, that was a positive, was that they sort of tightened it up, they figured it out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this, this, the, the, the, the one thing about the offense, because we're going to talk a lot about the offense in the miscuse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I never felt like Jacksonville is going to stop them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I felt that the only way they were going to be stopped is if they stopped themselves and they did it so often.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I do think you have to give credit to some of that to the Jaguar's front line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: they have a talented front line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know how many times I saw Colby's head, like just go back like his neck, like his his he's just kept getting pushed back further and further and further into Brock as the game kept going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seemed and you know we know the problems the 49ers offensive line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know we've been belaboring them for the last two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but that was a very talented defensive line, even big Trent was getting beat a few times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Brock was pretty nifty in the pocket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't, I don't think he actually took a sack either, but that does lead to the Niners trying to come back and win this game and Brock gets stripped sacked at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to lose it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's he's actually makes the first guy miss and as he's trying to set to throw again, then the second guy comes in and slaps the ball out of his hand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, from that place, he got a stack on that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Arm said, so they gave him the stack here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the it's just like you look at the game and you go,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, they could, if they didn't make some of those mistakes, they could have, they would have probably one, but at the same time, some of that is the Jaguar's defense and how fast they looked at the two interceptions by the linebacker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then McAfrey too, I will say a lot of these passes were high.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if that has anything to do with Brock's toe, some of those balls were up high, but then some of the balls were low as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was just an inaccurate day for Brock.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of that, I'm sure he, the way that he plays football, he probably is taking this one pretty hard because you know, you could kind of just pinpoint things that, that we're not going well for him, that were the reason that they lost the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, ESPN doesn't give you drops, but the box broadcast said they counted six drops

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, I mean, unacceptable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just complete then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I know, born had at least two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had three before he made the catch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There were two short passes, and then there was one where he saw daylight, and he started running before he caught it, and he dropped it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, he had three drops in the first half that I remember clearly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Rouch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, again, those kind of mistakes

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when this team has even in their wins, you know, they were winning on the margins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just hard to overcome those kind of mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, you know, we talked, I talked about how, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I mean, it wasn't like the, um, Jaguars weren't trying to, it didn't seem, it's like they were trying to give the game away at stages, but we just couldn't, we just couldn't make it again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I, I just felt like, you know, the, the pot return or the, the pot return was just.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was, um, that was just the bad breaker kick off for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember which one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it was a punt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like an 87-year point return.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, let's, I want to get to that because just a special team's overall, uh, but Trevor Lawrence, he had a moment that reminded me of, uh, Alex Smith, uh, in coach sing years where he takes a delay of game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and then he comes back to very next play in the coach as to bail him out by calling a timeout or I'll they're going to get another delay of game on back to back plays and I don't I literally couldn't I mean some of it may have been the noise but when his Levi's been like the loudest stadium and all the football is hasn't really been that big of a deal but I was as I was watching him because

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you hear a lot of actually listen, I would say I listen to more fantasy football talk than I actually listen to NFL talk, just kind of generally about the league.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm listening to stuff about the league, it's more about fantasy football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But of course, my team, I'm listening to a lot of the local guys and the discussion about Trevor Lawrence whenever they bring him up in fantasy, it is really

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[SPEAKER_01]: more about him in the in the real world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I was like, OK, I'm really going to watch this guy because I keep hearing that, you know, he's just been a disappointment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm watching when this first half that I'm like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stu looks solid like he's not out there fling in at 30 yards down field, but he's making the right decisions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's he's throwing the ball in open space.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So his guys have you have a space to make plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the second half when the Niners tightened it up and there was a great that Mark Sanchez showed it on screen where the Niners had the entire field, the defense had the

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then, they cover the middle of the field, and then they bring other people to the weak side, and now Lawrence has got to figure out the defense as he's about to snap the ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they were doing stuff like that in the second half that that was really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is the stuff that seemed to be shaking him up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so now, I very much want to check what's fans, I get it about, you know, maybe the frustration of what happens when there's a little bit of adversity or when you get thrown different looks now look a lot a lot of quarterbacks probably struggle in those situations, but you add that add to that the delay of game penalties add to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some in like not in sync stuff with the offense where as he's snapping the ball, the tight end who's supposed to go and cut on this block, he's like late to the block and he in the running back almost, you know, run into each other stuff like that, where like, okay, who whose fault is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that Lawrence at the office of coordinators at the head coach?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can see some of the frustration, but if you're Jacksonville, and you go,

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[SPEAKER_01]: we also played a very terrible game when it comes to discipline and we still go into San Francisco and win by five points, they have stuff that they're going to look at on film, but they have to be super happy to play like they did and come out on top in San Francisco against a team that was 3 and 0.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and like they missed and it had all those penalties, missed to feel go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I mean, there's a a lot that if I'm them, you could take away from that, you know, it could have, they could have one going away if they had just been able, because, you know, Sanchez was talking about that easy to good job today, I think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The type of penalties that they get are the ones who are just mad and like you say that we're several, um, you know, they say they had several, um, delay games, several close to delay games, and it's just being just getting set on fall starts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And those kind of penalties are, you know, self-inflicted are just, you know, in a

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[SPEAKER_00]: would just be infuriating to me as, you know, you know what the damn snap count is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why are you like that, like one of them was gonna be either wars, you know, where the guard was clearly looking at the the play clock and he saw that they were gonna, you know, delay again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he just went and started he was gonna be killing it either way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was gonna be on off sides or it was gonna be at delay again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're getting in and out of the hotel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you say, that is so I hadn't thought about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that was Alex Smith type stuff where you know, there was there was a time when it was just the those are the madning things where, you know, he couldn't get us in and out of the hotel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and you know get the play off those you know it was I remember specifically in his first season it was like Steve Young even said it on the radio at one point is he was questioning whether or not this dude could even you know could even play in the league it was just so frustrating how you know he played in the shotgun his entire time and you taught and it was like he just had a hard time getting us in and out of the huddle

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this basic football stuff, and that was, you know, today, you know, not watching very much Jaguar football.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could see where as a Jaguar fan, just, you know, the simple operational part of the game seems to be what they're struggling with.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And apparently they've gone to, you know, they do way more motion, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: then they've ever done in his tenure, and it just, you know, it seems like he's kind of struggling with that portion of the game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, so there's a lot, I mean, and it's my understanding, you hear them say this all the time that this is like perfect for coaches when you get the win, but then you're also, there's a bunch of things that you can chew their ass about and a lot of coaching that can be done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in a win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so obviously you come across country, you want to, you know, you don't want to fly all the way back on a loss.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but at the same time, you know, you can celebrate, but you can, you know, there's just going to be a lot of things on Tuesday that a lot of hard coaching is going to go on for them Tuesday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I think about it from the 49ers perspective to like shanahan had to be pulling his hair out with some of these mistakes, the special teams, I like, I don't even know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The only thing I know is that the nine or special team sucks and I couldn't tell you why I don't know if they don't have the right players out there I see guys running as hard as they can and flying, slipping because they're not stopping in time to try to make a tackle I see guys falling You know as they're running and and so it's hard for me to go well they have the wrong personnel out there or

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the coaching, which it's easy to say the coaching, but what is a special team coach actually doing differently this new guy then then the last guy and so it's got to be manning for him just to go like, hey dude, like, just handle this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've all the other stuff to deal with handle this thing, but I don't know, maybe Shannahand does have to take a little bit more of an active role in that to figure out, you know, maybe he will have to give up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of his wide receivers to go play on special teams or something that he doesn't want to because he needs them fully fresh for the offense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't know all of the mechanics in that thing, but something needs to change because well, they will and I'll let you, I'll let you go, but they gave up a long kick off and they gave up a punt return touchdown and on the flip side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The Jaguar's punner was able to pin them multiple times, filled gold, a field position wise.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whereas this new punner for the Niners was not, like he was kicking 42 yard punts, which is like, you know, Max Runner back in 1888 or whatever, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like these punters have much bigger legs today than they did, but not this new guy that we have.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does not have a big leg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, those are the things that, you know, when you look at it, you go, okay, their special teams was probably, I don't know, a plus 10, and ours was the negative 10, and that's the game right there if you look at just the point differential, but okay, go ahead, say your piece.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it was just, it seemed like this isn't more so than they have in the past, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: intended to address and, you know, solid, this new coach is a parent with solid guy with the jets, more stead with solid guy with the jets, you know, sort of, Serenneal, the guy who got blocked on the punt return was a guy that they brought in specifically and several of the young guys had, you know, when we were talking about it in the draft,

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[SPEAKER_00]: was mentioned that they were good special teams players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was, it was more so than in the past, where it seemed like it was just an afterthought.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was seemed like this offseason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They had a plan at least.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like you say so far, it has not worked out any better than,

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[SPEAKER_00]: it, you know, then it has in the past, ultimately, when you look at the results.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, I don't know what you can do different, but clearly it can't just continue to go on like it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if that's something that, you know, something that's solid, you know, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really, it's frustrating to see,

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[SPEAKER_00]: to where they need all the advantages that they can get and they can't be losing the yardage battle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you mentioned, like you just mentioned, the difference in yardage that with a job madness called a hidden yardage, it's just, again, it's another one of those things

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[SPEAKER_00]: to make up for the talent deficit, even once we're healthy in air quotes, we're just not as talented as we were two years ago to be able to say that we don't, the special teams, it doesn't matter, it does matter, and I've kept and believed that it's always mattered,

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[SPEAKER_00]: things that you can

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I guess take for granted, but you know, you can always make the case that those not taking a seriously might have been the difference between us winning a Super Bowl in 2023 and not, you know, so it's just, you know, that's, you know, that milk that spilled already.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, it was, it's frustrating that this was something that I thought that we had addressed in the offseason and it's still

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[SPEAKER_01]: rearing its head and we we thought our our problems would be resolved with the kicker change in it like that's been great because Panera has been great but there are other parts of this special teams and you know as this game is going on

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you sometimes you look at certain plays and you go, oh, man, that was a bad mistake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder if, like if Jacksonville loses, I wonder if they're going to circle that one and go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These are the really why we lose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Panieros about to kick the ball out of bounds, which is going to put the thing at like the 40.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, right, they're rookie returner catches the ball and runs directly out of bounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like at the three yard line or the five yard line or whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was one of those moments was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is why Jackson Mills Jacksonville, but that meant ultimately nothing because they were able to, you know, not make that an important play, whereas, you know, you look at like five or six things that happened in the Niners game and you were like, okay, like you can point to that as, you know, maybe a big part of the reason why they lost before we get to the next thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, actually, you know what, let's let's just get to the running the ball because I'm a little concerned with their inability to run the football for one because as we know, shana hands offense is directly related to their ability to stretch the field for long gains, which then sets up passing situations that has the defense on their heels and when.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The other team isn't really worried about the Niners running the ball, and they play Brock as somebody who's going to throw a lot, we know that that has not been in Brock's favor for his career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Brock has done tremendously well in games that they're coming from behind, and they can kind of go psycho and speed it up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he's very good in there, but he hasn't been as good when the Niners have issues running the football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is four games in a row.

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[SPEAKER_01]: where there's no daylight for Christian, I don't know what his, I can look at the box here in a second, but it like, I think he had one play maybe that was like maybe a 10-yard run, but you saw a lot of like three yards and a cloud of dust and, you know, just him,

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[SPEAKER_01]: not even really close to breaking it right like that's the thing with Christian is when when he's going there's like opportunities like two or three different opportunities where it's like oh man one move and he can break this thing and I haven't really seen anything like that like they actually had to run

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[SPEAKER_01]: a hook and lateral to get him some open space, so that he could possibly break a longer run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But his box score today was 17 for 49, 2.9 yards per carry, Brian Robbs and 5 for 21, 4.7, long of 11 for CMC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: this is maybe the most frustrating thing about the offense, but I'm not sure how they fix it, because the defensive lines, every game that we've seen so far, these dudes are in the backfield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They know what's coming and they're pushing the Niners offensive line around on a lot of these very clear run plays and I'm not sure if this is going to be fixed because as we know, the personnel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's it is what it is there you know that they've made some changes because of injuries but nothing to where it's like this it's not like we have George George may help when when he comes back but it's not like we have a brand-in-i-uke of the offensive line coming back midseason like this is kind of who we have so what are your thoughts on the running game so far?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's like, oh, I can't wait.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who ever thought you'd hear the say the sentence?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I can't wait to then barge his back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it really, that's what it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you watch other games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was watching the,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hifting game today and they've been struggling offensively and you know they run basically the same system we run and the biggest difference with them today was that they were able to get their running game going and it just changes the look of this the shenna hand Mcbay offense when you're

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[SPEAKER_00]: even three yards, a carry, to where the defense has to honor it and because Sanchez mentioned that several times is that on a couple of the interceptions with the linebacker interceptions is it was because they weren't honoring anything behind them because they were all in the box and just didn't have, you know, there was no threat of the run really.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it just made their jobs easier in past coverage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's, it's not in, not my favorite guy, but that was what Greg Hosell, I saw a feature that he did on the running game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was, you know, he says, you know, in which I agree, the Christian McCaffrey looks fine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just they're not getting any movement, particularly,

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[SPEAKER_00]: from, you know, guards in a guard, um, it's just, there's nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's just all clogged and congested in there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, you know, not only that, it's a lot, a lot of times like you would mention, you know, those guys are pushing those guys back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, Connor Colby's neck is not supposed to go that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that, that, that, that, that dude's going to get hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's um, you know, it's like the opposite of getting a movement with the offensive line and it's just, you know, weak.

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[SPEAKER_00]: all know that that's just, you know, even back to his father, it's that is it's a cornerstone of this offense is if you're the effectiveness of the offense as a whole, you know, the offense is going to go as the running game goes and if we are placed or put Brock or any of the quarterbacks,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Shanahan run if you put any of them in the situation where we're asking them to throw the ball 40 times a game is good as Brock is that is not how this offense is designed to run it's you know we want to we want to run the ball 30 times yeah and we're throwing the ball all for that play

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it just seems like we're, you know, I could say we're getting we're using gimmick plays to try to gin it, gin it up, you know, that was always even back in the day with the Walsh offense, you know, there would be there were years where we weren't able to run the ball and people would, you know, talk about how well the short passing game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, is a defective run game, but we were never successful in years where that was the case.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If we could not line up and run the ball, we were not the offense was not as effective as it was when we were able to and that's our team here is if we aren't able to figure out how we can be more effective running the ball and it can't just be, you know, playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: dog shit teams as that is the elixir because you know we're not going to there aren't that many saints on the schedule.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where we're just going to be able to to run you know run the ball because of that, but we get again, but I don't it's one of those things like you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, you're really killing it today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like there's somebody is coming through, you know, Randy Cross and Keith Bond horse are coming through the door.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so you know, we've kind of got to figure it out with

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[SPEAKER_00]: the guys that we have and I don't know how much hope we can hold out that that's going to be the case.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I do think when Kittle comes back, they will have some options because just the fact that he is on the field in the run game, that's going to help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I also wonder, now, you know, what we

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so weird because they threw him a pass today and he's running and I'm like, oh my gosh, like this dude does not run with the football very often.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just the way that he was holding the football and and running with the football, I'm like, oh man, I hope he doesn't fumble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And right when I think that boom, they popped the ball out and they fumble.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was one of the first turnovers of the game on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tangis actually looks like something, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he looks like he can actually do stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They've set up specifically this little screenplay to throw to him, because that they've actually been able to utilize for big plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm wondering if when kiddo comes back, you do run, maybe you got to pull juice off the field and you run two tight ends sets with

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[SPEAKER_01]: that that is their fundamental offense, but you can probably also pass out of that formation because Kiddil is so talented, but Tanjus is also showing you that he can actually do some things out in space.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I wonder if that is going to be an option down the line, but I think in order for that to be an option,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you need pretty ricky on the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And my son, JJ, and I were having this conversation early this week, and he's like, what do you think about pretty ricky?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, he looks great, but I also feel like he could be injured on every single play of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He makes

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[SPEAKER_01]: he made a fantastic one-handed catch down the sideline that I was just like, okay, this dude is just showing off now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like, he's flexing right now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the next time he goes for another play, which he's actually, he's actually pushed out of bounds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he takes a hard tumble and I don't know what you thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, that's, he's probably out for this game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, those are the kind of plays where

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[SPEAKER_01]: when we have we have a few players who go down and your first instinct is, oh man, I hope they're not hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: CMC has been getting back up, but still because of his history, you still feel that way with CMC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kindle had, Kindle was was pretty good last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but he's been been injured often injured.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Joanne Jennings takes a hit or two every game that just looks brutal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like on the two point conversion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doc, rushed on that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, now it was one of those hits that you just, you know, you don't really see guys get hit like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I mean, I'm not saying it was an illegal hit by any means, but you just rarely see kill shots like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in this league anymore, and it was just, it was just a brutal hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So without Ricky, they're, even their passing game is sort of predictable because you don't have anybody able to stretch the field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a good to see democracy Robinson back today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think he had a catch with and Jordan, Brock also missed him on on what would have been a

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kendrick Born is running very short routes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't even have skint with skandling active today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I don't remember who I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even remember his name being called Skymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We know Skymore is fast, but they're not going to put him on the field even just to run all the way down the field to try to track defense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem like that's happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So without Ricky

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[SPEAKER_01]: that shell defense that they've they've been talking about just because more effective because who's going like you just play everyone in front of you and then Brock's throwing you know Brock was thrown into a sea of you know turquoise jerseys all game long but that's kind of what was there and there were a couple of passes that he threw really well

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[SPEAKER_01]: and if he didn't throw those really well, those could have been picked off because of the tight windows.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just think from an offensive standpoint, they really have to figure something out with when Kittle comes back for the run game, but it's really about Ricky Stang healthy in the passing game because they're so predictable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, Joanne Jen is going to make some

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[SPEAKER_01]: but the defense knows where he's going on every play they know that you know they don't really have to worry about him stretching the field there he's going to go into the pockets that he always goes into but Ricky is the one where you're like okay we got to pay attention to this dude he may not be the fastest guy but we know that he's going to be able to make a great catch because he and Brock have pretty good chemistry so far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: were waiting on B.A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and who knows of B.A.

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[SPEAKER_01]: can be that difference maker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He himself is not really a guy that that's going to, you know, catch 30 or 40 yard passes, but he actually has an ability to make plays short.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can turn short plays into longer plays, and that is also what the 49ers are missing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you dump off everything to Christian McAfrey like there's only so many you know five and eight and and seven yard chunks you can take because Christian was six catches for 92 yards today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, there's only so many of those that that, you know, you do need to hit big on some of these plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rest of the receivers, I'll give you their, their yards per catch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, there were some, there were some half decent ones, but they were like on one or two catches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Tonjus had the long touchdown, 23 yard touchdown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was 19.3 yards per catch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ricky was 11.5.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Juice was 10.7.

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[SPEAKER_01]: JJ was 12.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Demarchus was one catch for 20 yards, Luke Farrell, two catches for 20, Kendrick Bourne, one catch for 17, and he had four targets, and he caught one ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: McCaffrey had six targets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and had five catches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So a lot of those were drops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of those were, you know, slightly miss thrown, but he's usually so sure handed that you can kind of, you can kind of throw him a ball that might be a little off and he still comes down with it, but that was not today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're, you know, shenahan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got work to do and I'm sure he's thinking of opportunities with the talent that he has, but I do think it really is about keeping Ricky healthy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he's not healthy, they just become very very predictable, I think, out there for Brock.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the dirty little secret, you know, I'm a Florida fan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm very, I was I've been aware of Ricky Perselle for a long time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when he transferred in from Arizona State, he was dealing with his shoulder injury.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was always that in, you know, the shoulder instability was what they always called it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And even when he was drafted here,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kyle cop to the fact that at some point he's probably going to have to have surgery.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he still hasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, this is just going to, you know, this is part of the, you know, you have a stutally pointed out this is part of the Ricky Purcell experience is that he's a tough dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's a productive dude.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just like today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: every time he takes a big hit, you're like wondering if that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's done for the day or for several games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's just, I just think that that's going to be the Ricky Purcell experience, as we continue to move forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just so funny to me how, I don't know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: be judgmental, but I have to be of, you know, the 49er faithful is that, you know, I saw somebody actually write the sentence online that, you know, democracy's Robinson coming back is going to be a big deal in air, in quotes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What, you know, and then me being my snarky self, it's a bird, it's a plane, it's journey man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know, to Marcus Robinson is, we know who Kendrick Born is for for fans to think that these guys are going to come in and they're going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: these huge difference makers, that's just not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have enough of a track record with these players to know exactly who they are.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And to think that, you know, they're going to be anything other than who or what they are, is just, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: is optimism bordering on delusion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that that's just this, you know, so the best we can hope for is for known commodities is we get kiddo back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know what he can do when you get BA back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he clearly they are gonna take their time with him but when he comes back,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a certain baseline of production that I expect from a healthy branded IU and I don't think he's going to be out there if he can't if he's not healthy and then for me that changes things drastically when you have a branded IU a George Carroll then all of a sudden.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't believe is I think Ricky Purcell is a fine player, but if he is your option one A, I just or one B with Christian in his ridiculous usage, I mean, it's crazy, you know, it's you know, he is on pace for like, you know, 450 plus touches.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's unsustainable, but if you, once you get all those other guys, you get all those other guys, kiddo and I you back, I think it normalizes everybody else's role and it makes Kyle's job a little easier and you know, because it, it puts Ricky into his proper place, which is probably your third option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we all, we've all seen that Joanne is best suited to be your third option.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you ask, I just think if you ask either of those dudes to do more than that, you're

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[SPEAKER_00]: you're limiting the effectiveness of their production and of the offense as a whole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, I was, you know, I'm glad we got those three winds banked and I'm hoping fingers crossed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can get another one out of these next two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, we are staring

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[SPEAKER_00]: Baker Mayfield at this point is damn the terminator.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he is he's hard to kill and then the Rams just really, really look like a solid outfit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, it's it's going to be interesting to see what solid and you know, and we can I keep saying that I'm falling in the trap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: of art of the fans talking about solid and shenanigans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're both wonderful coaches, but ultimately it's gonna come down to the players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just, I think that we are on both sides of the ball, we are just at this moment outguned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it, it, it, we are really gonna have to in both those cases the next two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have to do some things that we have not been doing here to four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to turn those teams over, we're going to have to eliminate our turnovers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're going to have to be able to be the, that's another thing that again today is that it ended up not being as bad as I thought it was going to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But there were, you know, that first quarter, they had

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[SPEAKER_00]: pretty much the entire we had one position in the first quarter and the jacks basically held the ball for like 10 minutes of the first 15 and we need to do a much better job of controlling the ball but

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[SPEAKER_00]: You made another astute point talking about our inability to run the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how you possessed the ball if you can't run the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I I've been haven't seen very many teams who are able to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: win the time of possession, passing the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, it's hard to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your comment about the 49ers wide receivers is very similar to the comment that Brad and I make when we were talking about the Giants roster, because what the Giants roster is is they have like three or four guys who are better suited for playing DH than they are for actually playing in the

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you can only play one DH at a time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you got three, three other guys somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that's kind of what this 49ers wide receiver core is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is you have a bunch of guys who are third and fourth and fifth wide receivers on teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're having to play as two's and three's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's just not really who they are in this moment of their career.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: that they will try and get Robinson involved a little bit more because he had a really good preseason now it was kind of a tell that he was playing so much in preseason because if you watch any of those games, you notice that none of the starters really played, but I think they knew he was going to be suspended so they wanted to get him some some run out there, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: that, you know, if you're relying on a democracy Robinson and you're relying on a Kendrick born to make plays for you, you are in rough shape because those guys can be

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[SPEAKER_01]: a fourth receiver, when you need a clutch, third down catch and, you know, you're spreading the field, you can trust those guys to make those plays, but you can't trust those guys to be Brock's number one option when you're coming back and you're trying to win football game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just not the kind of players who they are anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They may have been closer to those kind of players when they were younger, but today, you didn't sign them to be that, you signed them to be depth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're asking them to be that so you're kind of putting them in a position of a probable failure because of the other things that are going on with the team and you know the thing that I didn't think about until we were talking about Jennings getting hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is he held out because he felt like he was deserving of a bigger deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had, they did the thing last year too, and they kind of gave him a little bit more money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he actually held that a lot stronger this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I, you know, we were kind of talking about why is it the injury is it not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you think about how they use him, like he takes hits from linebackers

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[SPEAKER_01]: knowing that, you know, and this is kind of a similar similar thing that we've talked about in the past with other shanahan kind of players, which is shanahan is going to put these guys on the field where they will succeed best, but also in some cases,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's not great for their long term success as football players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Debo's probably the best one because they, they're like, we don't have a running back here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, well, let's just use Debo as the bowling ball running back until we trade for Christian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And thus, Debo takes on so much, so many hits on his body for bigger players that he doesn't necessarily have to take when he's out there making catches.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then you go, okay, well,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we paid Debo, we used him how we needed to and now he's not as useful to us anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm starting to think about it the same way with Jennings because

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[SPEAKER_01]: every throw, every play he's got to make, he is covered very closely.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he is often not taking a hit from one guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's often multiple guys because he's so strong and you can't just, you can't just leg tackle him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be multiple guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of think about it the same way as Debo in that they're going to use Jennings up this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then at the end of the year, they're going to go, thanks for your time, go find that deal you want somewhere else, we got our usage at you and maybe that's just football, that might just be how football works, but there's a little bit of that as I was watching Jennings take that hit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to the hip or to the liver or whatever was there it looked like a liver shot boxing where he got it and it just goes down so that you know football's brutal I get it I'm not I'm not saying that to say that the Niners are evil for doing this in any way but you know that this is a year where if Jennings was

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[SPEAKER_01]: going to make money, it would have been this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe it's not going to be next your based off of, you know, what happens this year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that I guess that's the the whole negotiation that you play with in the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's that's the, you know, because that's all he wanted was some security based on what the, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: what he presumed was going to be his usage this year based on and that's what the case is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's you know, if he were 100% he absolutely is right that he would be in line for 9 to 11 targets per game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and

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[SPEAKER_00]: The heavy usage that comes with that, like when you say when he's not going to get a hold bunch of separation and he's going to be there in between a DB blindbacker and the safety.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's quite probable on most of those targets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to, you know, take a lot of punishment on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not going to be the same as some other white receivers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's wrap this thing up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to mention, did you see the sola and Cohen thing at the end of the game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That had been brewing all week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was funny to watch that play out during the game in terms of

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, their shifts in movements and trying to get a, trying to get a tail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: on what the 49ers were running defense, what will play they had called.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, that what did Sella actually say, because I remember, I remember hearing the quote, but I didn't really know what prompted him to talk about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was tied, it almost made it seem like he was saying that they're really good at stealing our signs or stealing other teams of signs so that they know what is happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: then he kind of like pulled away from it like I was trying to figure out what was Sala actually trying to say about Cohen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He basically said that they engage in legal science dealing in which in this case they shift in motion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They get up to line quick and then they shift in motion and they're trying to get a tail on what it is that the defense

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[SPEAKER_00]: gives Trevor Lawrence the ability to go with the play they have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're canning that play and going to another play based on what they do, which, you know, solid equates to size dealing, which I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's smart, honestly, but yeah, I mean, it sounds like something that a smart offensive football team would do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So knowing, solid knowing that it seemed like it was a little bit of a mental kind of warfare kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Gamesmanship exactly what what and and so I but I just I guess I don't understand why Cohen took it so hard because at the end of the game Solomon into the handshake Cohen blew by him and as Cohen was walking down towards the tunnel I don't know if there was anything said by Sala at that moment but Cohen turned around and yelled back keep my name out of your mouth which

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty juvenile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cohen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cohen had to have been feeling some sort of way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he was asked about those comments over and over and over by his local media.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm just like, it was almost like, yeah, you know, you guys are good at this and we're go and we're thinking about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're telling everybody that this is how we're game planning against you, where we're letting folks know what happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know why Cohen was so mad, and especially because they won.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, all of the things that Sala said, maybe it was because that was the cause of a lot of these delay of games, I have no idea what he was so mad at, but he was really mad at the

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, well, Kyle says he needs not be so sensitive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's going to be funny because I would if anybody, I would a bit, I would imagine does that it would be McVey and Stafford.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, and I don't think it's going to come up as a talking point this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm sure that if

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stafford and McBay kid do anything to get a tell on what's a defense that they're doing that on every play But you know, you just kind of expected so maybe it is just as expected like Kyle says it colon Knees not to be so sensitive I don't know that's kind of interesting here in that from Kyle, but you know, I can tell I can tell Sala what's gonna happen in this Rams game

01:00:05.985 --> 01:00:08.106
[SPEAKER_01]: They're just going to throw it to Puka as much as they can.

01:00:08.206 --> 01:00:11.088
[SPEAKER_01]: This dude was 13 for 170 today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you know, it, you know, to this point, nobody has had pretty much any very much success stopping it.

01:00:21.455 --> 01:00:22.936
[SPEAKER_00]: He is amazing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know he's led the league and, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: catches in yards for like most of the season.

01:00:30.400 --> 01:00:39.869
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he was he himself was 38% of Matt Stafford's a 40 targets today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's we talk about usage.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good luck, Demo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, so Thursday, Thursday and I football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you heard about this Amazon technology where they believe through AI?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess there's different versions of the game that you can watch and they're predicting blitzes as the game is going on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of want to watch the Amazon because the the we'll get the low at least I will get the local broadcast you probably won't but yeah I kind of want to watch it on Amazon prime just to see if I can watch that version of the game because I was listening to the Amazon sports guy and he said that they were he didn't give a percentage but it sounded like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: their predicted blitz is we're about 70 to 75% correct, which is a pretty high, which is pretty high, because you see a lot of scenarios where teams will tease blitz and then they'll fall back.

01:01:48.623 --> 01:01:53.925
[SPEAKER_01]: But I kind of want to watch it through that lens, so for next week, I want to do or for this week, I want to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Thursday.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I noticed that there were several tabs on the sides.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I hadn't clicked in to see, you know, like they had, like, you know, you could watch the recap of the game, watch the live game.

01:02:09.538 --> 01:02:12.961
[SPEAKER_00]: You can watch the SAP and then there are several others.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've really watched the alternate broadcast, but if that's what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I won't even if it's for like a quarter.

01:02:22.248 --> 01:02:23.589
[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to see how it works.

01:02:23.629 --> 01:02:24.290
[SPEAKER_01]: See if it's worth.

01:02:24.930 --> 01:02:36.030
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, because for stuff like what we did, we're watching for that kind of stuff and it would be it just be more information, but Thursday night, Niners Rams like you said,

01:02:38.322 --> 01:02:44.609
[SPEAKER_01]: you know, you would have liked to get through this game with a win just because you have rams and bucks back to back.

01:02:45.510 --> 01:02:53.639
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately for them, it wasn't like that because you're right, you could go from being 3 and 0 to being 3 and 3 with the snap of a finger.

01:02:54.801 --> 01:02:56.062
[SPEAKER_01]: But the nighters play the rams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: very well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they will be up for the game.

01:03:00.046 --> 01:03:02.588
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't, I'm not saying they weren't up for this game.

01:03:03.208 --> 01:03:07.591
[SPEAKER_01]: But there were moments in the game where you were like, man, you guys need some coffee or something.

01:03:07.611 --> 01:03:08.412
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what's going on?

01:03:08.612 --> 01:03:10.814
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think that will be the problem Thursday night.

01:03:10.834 --> 01:03:12.876
[SPEAKER_01]: You're playing on Thursday night, under the lights.

01:03:13.476 --> 01:03:15.177
[SPEAKER_01]: The rams are your division rival.

01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:19.483
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's you know, it's Levi's south.

01:03:20.244 --> 01:03:23.328
[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be probably 60 40 49er fans or maybe even better.

01:03:23.348 --> 01:03:28.135
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's I think because of that I think the game will be a really good game, but still

01:03:29.417 --> 01:03:33.200
[SPEAKER_01]: These teams play each other well, Rams are probably the better team right now.

01:03:33.620 --> 01:03:37.964
[SPEAKER_01]: They can do things that the Niners currently can't personalize.

01:03:38.024 --> 01:03:40.566
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, this is going to be a tough one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But are we planning to be to be live on Thursday night after the game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, available.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you heard it from Rod.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll probably be up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would say 20 between 20 and 30 minutes after the game is over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can check the Facebook page for the notification of when we plan to go live on the stream.

01:04:05.004 --> 01:04:09.887
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, it'll be in the audio feed as always, you know, soon thereafter.

01:04:09.908 --> 01:04:09.948
[SPEAKER_01]: So

01:04:11.762 --> 01:04:21.497
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm this this this actually and I've said this before when we talk about the games like I kind of feel better about it because we get to talk through some of the things and I get to see it from your point of view.

01:04:21.798 --> 01:04:25.704
[SPEAKER_01]: I still think that this was just a terrible terrible performance by the team.

01:04:26.677 --> 01:04:43.872
[SPEAKER_01]: But some of these things, it's going to be interesting to see how Kyle views them and if they're going to do anything offensively to change things up, if they're going to do things in anything defensively, whether they blitz more, which they probably won't because they don't.

01:04:45.053 --> 01:04:52.980
[SPEAKER_01]: Or, I mean, I guess this is not something we even talked about blitz and with this, do you think they try and trade for some past rush help?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they do, it'll be something on the frances.

01:04:58.713 --> 01:05:07.515
[SPEAKER_00]: I really just don't see them giving up anything significant in terms of draft capital because that's, that's just not where this team is.

01:05:07.535 --> 01:05:16.517
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's, grow, I mean, we're not, you know, we're not a chase on the way anymore.

01:05:16.777 --> 01:05:18.757
[SPEAKER_00]: For many things, significant, I don't think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My greater question is,

01:05:23.132 --> 01:05:33.419
[SPEAKER_00]: maybe this is a conversation for another day is at what point are they maybe being are they sellers at any point?

01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:46.629
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I don't I don't think we're there yet, but you know Trent CMC I don't I don't know I'm just saying at a certain point we're gonna have to start

01:05:53.353 --> 01:06:12.424
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a 500 team, because again, we're in a position where these are guys that again, when you look at the markets that they're in, that we're going to, we knew when they signed their extensions that, again, at the end of this year, Christians got like, you know, $4 million and guaranteed money.

01:06:12.484 --> 01:06:15.645
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not playing for $4 million and guaranteed money.

01:06:16.266 --> 01:06:21.969
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be another negotiation and do the Niners, are they at this point where

01:06:22.841 --> 01:06:48.577
[SPEAKER_00]: these guys just you know the juice isn't worth the squeeze and there are teams that I'm sure might feel like they are a trend Williams away from something significant or a CMC and again I know we're not there yet but you know three or four you know more performances like this

01:06:49.863 --> 01:06:52.785
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we have to start thinking about that.

01:06:52.905 --> 01:07:04.631
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is a team that, I guess I, I, reason, I don't think that I, there are, we are a team that needs two or three more drafts like we've had, like we had this year.

01:07:04.651 --> 01:07:09.874
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, we don't, I just don't see this team as a team that can afford to be trading away.

01:07:10.275 --> 01:07:11.535
[SPEAKER_00]: High draft picks anymore.

01:07:11.755 --> 01:07:13.556
[SPEAKER_00]: I, I think we need those picks.

01:07:14.197 --> 01:07:17.899
[SPEAKER_00]: And if anything, we need to be trying to acquire more picks to get,

01:07:18.443 --> 01:07:42.595
[SPEAKER_00]: younger at key positions like, you know, I talk about, you know, maybe trading trend is a, um, trend might trend is like, if they, if they, if they, right, you know, depending on depending on where he, where they, where the trade ends up happening, but I think you really, you know, you're at, we're at a point where we should have been trying to

01:07:43.493 --> 01:07:46.754
[SPEAKER_00]: figure out a succession plan there.

01:07:47.875 --> 01:07:56.098
[SPEAKER_00]: And if you could get a pick, you know, especially a high pick, a first round type pick, I would think you would have to consider it.

01:07:56.218 --> 01:08:07.083
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as if we get down the road and if the the doom and gloom that I am put, I foresee happening is what this really

01:08:09.720 --> 01:08:13.961
[SPEAKER_00]: I would I would think you would have to consider it, but you know, that is bar down the road.

01:08:14.001 --> 01:08:14.541
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:08:14.581 --> 01:08:15.862
[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're going to wait.

01:08:16.502 --> 01:08:23.483
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think I think you have to wait to see what happens when I you in Kittle are healthy.

01:08:23.563 --> 01:08:25.344
[SPEAKER_01]: You can't wait for both of like both is gone.

01:08:25.384 --> 01:08:29.485
[SPEAKER_01]: That's just something you're going to have to deal with, which is why I do wonder if they're going to bring somebody else in.

01:08:30.105 --> 01:08:44.490
[SPEAKER_01]: But Matt Barrows had said that, you know, Brandon's running on the sidelines and he's looking fast and he's looking great and then the and then John Lynch had just put a stop sign on that, I think he and he said, you know, this is this he's nowhere near ready to come back yet.

01:08:44.590 --> 01:08:48.352
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're they're playing that one safe.

01:08:48.452 --> 01:08:51.353
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like they're not creating expectation there.

01:08:52.262 --> 01:09:12.032
[SPEAKER_01]: and then the kiddo thing we haven't really heard about you know when they expect him back so but i do think you know if you are playing 500 football and these guys are either back or on their way back and you're kind of nip and tuck in the NFC West and you're playing for a wild card spot.

01:09:12.672 --> 01:09:19.796
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that they sell but if these guys flatline and like this is the best part of the season and everything goes to hell from here

01:09:21.497 --> 01:09:46.082
[SPEAKER_01]: you can't afford not to think about that in front from the perspective of like how the hell else are we going to get better you know that kind of thing so all right so we will be back on Thursday evening after the Niners and Rams play and we'll hopefully have some more positive news though you know that's going to be a close I expect I fully expect it to

01:09:51.624 --> 01:09:54.469
[SPEAKER_01]: these these two teams play each other well in Shanhand and McVay.

01:09:54.489 --> 01:09:56.453
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they enjoy it.

01:09:57.755 --> 01:09:59.518
[SPEAKER_01]: So all right, we'll be back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For Rod, I'm WG, we will see you when we see you piece out.