49ers Lose #1 Seed: O-Line Meltdown, Defense Gives Up Big Plays vs Seattle | We Want Winners

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to we want winners Rod Nyer here, I don't know what about 20 minutes after the 49ers got trampled but score wise it wasn't too bad but they got their tails kicked today against the seahawks

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were joking in about the second quarter how if things were going to continue that we may be able to just start this podcast super early and even get it done before the game was finished.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think you have to um, it's it's hard to give credit to a team that just got out class and outplayed and they're just out talented at the same time by this CL team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a moment there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When they're down 10, you know, when they're they're down going into the their best chance to score and Brock's pass gets tipped McAfrey's kind of turning to the side, ball thrown behind him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of catching it or swatting it down, he pops it in the air and Seattle gets in theirception.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that kind of signifies that, okay, this thing is just not going our way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there was a moment where I was like, you know, even though this game is really bad, that the defense is almost

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[SPEAKER_01]: playing harder than they even should have any right feeling like they could play because they're just from a skill and talent level, they didn't really just, the score should have been somewhere in the 20s or 30s for Seattle, and they kept it at 13.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I thought there was some positives there, but when you look up and down the talent, you compare those two defenses, just player for player,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a wide gap between these two football teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what we've been saying, this entire last stretch of the season is that if they're going to win these games, they need to outscore these teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I will say,

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[SPEAKER_01]: The defense gave them a chance to win the game, but the offense is where they just they couldn't do anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No Trent Williams and Austin Pleasant, he turned back into Austin Pleasant in this game, and that was kind of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what was your major takeaway in what was a pretty disappointing game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I especially after, you know, the first two field goal misses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, you know, wait a minute, I feel like they were getting dominated.

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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then it's like, wait a minute.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The Seattle mess around and let these dudes hang in here and are they going to snatch the feet for the jaws of victory kind of like they did in week one, but like you just said, it just it was just to tall a task for this team and I.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I am not striving to be the contrary, and that I tend to be when it comes, you know, because especially online 49 fans, when they say, I tend to say, I am not, you know, I said, that this was an embarrassment or a disappointment, I guess I get disappointing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that these dudes have anything to be embarrassed about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you hadn't watched Seattle since week one and thought that that's who we're showing up, then it just shows you haven't watched.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a good football team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They are figuring still kind of figuring out it on offense, but that defense is legit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that you couple the fact that there was no trend Williams with the fact that

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[SPEAKER_00]: your offensive line is what it is kind of just as he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But then when you take trend out of there, it just can did changes the math.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you're talking about the fact when you're talking about the fact, when you're in a home,

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[SPEAKER_00]: when Troy and Joe are talking about missing pretty Ricky as a, I mean, that's, that's a problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you coupled that with the fact that what Christian have like 66 yards or something like that crazy, it's just, it wasn't gonna be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you kind of had to figure that is the game plan for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if, you know, we're going to stop Christian in if somebody else can beat us, it's so be it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm sure that that's what everybody's playing going into a 900 game, but Seattle was by far the most successful of anybody so far this season at neutralizing him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: completely.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it went when that mix that cocktail of things happens, you're gonna, it's gonna be, they're gonna be hard press to win a game even when, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: the defense held them to 13 points, which yeah, but it's kind of like I felt watching it it was kind of like watching somebody fight a liver puncher and that you know okay it was only 13 points but when they get you know 180 yards rushing on 40 attempts

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[SPEAKER_00]: It, that is, they took a beating that was, it was, it was pretty decisive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was not nearly as close as a 10-point game I didn't feel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was, they were pretty well, as dominated as somebody can be in a 13-3 game that was us tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: were really, really trying to play tonight and I saw quote from Shanahan just a little while ago saying, it would have been really risky to play, to play them tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he had a quote that I thought it was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not the coat, not the kind of quote you want to hear out of your head coat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just sort of like Steve Curry the other night was on Tom Tolbert's show and he was like, yeah, we can't really compete with Oklahoma City in the spurs and fans were like, why would you even say that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like why are we even watching anymore?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, he's just being honest about what the situation is like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Shanahan tonight said something to the effect of

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[SPEAKER_01]: winning this game is almost more important than next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, if you think about it, you're like, well, next week if you don't win, you're season's over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he was just stressing the importance of beating Seattle, so that they could have that by have the home field advantage and only have to play two games to get in the Super Bowl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's one of those moments where I was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He feels like us, the fans.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's absolutely what we were feeling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we were feeling like, if we have to go into Philadelphia or Chicago, which is what is likely, I was asking Shelton what the scenarios were for next week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think going into Philly is like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: probably the worst possible case scenario, and that might be the more likely one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Going into Chicago would definitely be tough too, but they proved that they could move the ball on Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As Chicago proved, they could move the ball now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would be a game a little bit more at the 49ers tempo.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Philadelphia can maybe a lot harder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what we're hoping is that somehow some way,

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[SPEAKER_01]: the, uh, I don't know the, the ghost of Neil low max is going to pull the cardinals to check during over the Rams or something, uh, because then we would, we would face, uh, the Tampa Bay or Carolina division winner.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll all that everybody's trying to end up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of end up in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the South stadium, exactly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, that they, they just, it just was not, it was just was not meant to be tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, then, it was Zoom got hurt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you winters got hurt?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it sounds like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they that that those injuries could linger into into next week, which is not great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen anything about Brock because Brock ended the game pretty much on his back and trying to get it up and he had hit his thumb on a helmet right before that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I haven't, I would imagine I would have seen something if he was really hurting, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: if you know we we're at the end of this scenario like I don't know if you like did you know that linebacker that they had to put in the game while I didn't even know who that guy was I did not and and again I don't want to sound

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[SPEAKER_00]: like a bigator or anything, but I was thinking, it did, and I know that doesn't happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, didn't look, give her changes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Number something, I mean, who was, who was Wallow?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you like me, I, I kind of pride myself on watching this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I never heard of that, all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't, you know, there was a special team's play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a pun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: where he pulled the face mask of somebody and it's like has nothing to do with the play at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so that they lost 15 yards like very early in the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, first off, who is that dude?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And second off, like, how stupid was that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he wasn't going to block the pun or whatever it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so then when he had to actually come into the game and you'll, you'll know the play where he got kind of geeked out of his shoes, which is Sam Darnell on third down, rolled out to his right in the fourth quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he was in the area of where Cooper Cup kind of went to his spot and then asked Arnold of rolling out, Cooper Cup did a little bit of a joke and while I like lost them, he was like, wait, where did this dude go and then first down?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that would be the play that people would know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as he didn't, he didn't lose them the game, but just the fact that he had to play

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[SPEAKER_01]: even if you get Trent back next week, even if you get pretty ricky, d winters as his whole ankle got stepped on by a 300 pound offensive lineman.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tatum Bethume went down two separate times in the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That man,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was doing everything he possibly could to stay on that field and maybe to his detriment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, Eric Kendrick's who they signed off the street not too long ago was it was in the game and was on the wall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did not have the Kendrick wallo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Quintella on my bingo card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I that was that was one that I I did not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, yeah, it's going to be Kendrick and hollow holding down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a better law office than it is a line back in court on a couple of teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now, you know, we are not here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I saw this a lot on Twitter when you are watching the game and you really, really desperately want your team to win and you know what's on the opposite end of not winning, which is what we were all fearful of, you know, you're trying to be, you're as a fan, you're trying to root them on and do everything you can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we'd talked about it last week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Brock Perti was playing the best we'd ever seen him play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you expect that to carry over even against a good, I would call it, maybe the best defense they played all year long was this Seattle defense tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you're just thinking like, man, you know, Brock's the magician, he's gonna make it happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he didn't have the time in the pocket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then even when he did have a little bit of time, he did not believe he had the time in the pocket because you saw him looking for escape routes when he if he just waited or if he just stepped up there would have been some some spots and so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, like that was really disappointing because I think we all had kind of thought, well, if, you know, the, the offense is going to have to win us some, some games and, you know, you went back to you, you talked about it at the beginning, Seattle's defensive strategy seemed to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not going to beat us with any burner so we can creep everybody up and we're just going to stop Christian and then we're going to that that will allow us to stop their their game and I'm actually interested I want to I would love you know one of these things where I would love to talk to Shannon and about it because he knows he's forgotten more about football than I'll ever know but I was like talking to my family you know we had the family text going on and there was a third and two play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, the offense is struggling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the third and two play was a three-yard out to Democracy Robinson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was thinking like, man, you have, you know, Shanahan has all of these creative thoughts and ideas and just brilliant play calling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And even he,

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[SPEAKER_01]: was like our best case scenario here is a three yard out to Democracy Robinson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I wonder what he saw from Seattle's defense that kind of caused him to call, I mean, that's like a one shot play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, of course you're hoping that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robinson can can scoot a little bit and Brock Brock didn't make a good throw And it seems like it's a play that they're like, oh yeah, this is this is open You know, we can hit this and it wasn't but it just seemed like a lot of the shenanigans stuff that you would think was there Wasn't really there until that one drive in the fourth quarter where it seemed like they were kind of Okay, they were playing a little bit more free offensively and some of that is Seattle is you know there

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[SPEAKER_01]: the prop that they're not being as aggressive as they were, but I just would, I would love to know like what he was, you know, why they played, I guess I would say a little bit more conservative than usual or, you know, that because of the inability,

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[SPEAKER_01]: to extend the field, they were just playing on such a smaller field than usual with that past rush there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe he just thought like, yeah, we do normal stuff that we use just not going to be there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got to call some different stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What did you see when you were watching it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is so rough when you how the thing that

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[SPEAKER_00]: My brother pointed out, and then I noticed is how constricted the feel was when you've got Joanne Jennings, the Marcus Robinson, and Kindred Born as your receivers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just no, you're not threatening their defense at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You double George, and then that's

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's pretty much it's you don't really, so everybody is within, you know, 15 yards of the line of scrimmage, it just makes it the sledding was just so tough and you can kind of just zone up and if you're getting past which I was just looking at it, I'm sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The PFF total pressures adds hurries, which ESPN doesn't, but so drop drop back 27 times, sack three times and eight quarter back hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's 11 times on 23 drop, on 27 dropbacks, and I'm sure PFF will give them credit for

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[SPEAKER_00]: And at least a couple of hurries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're talking about, you know, on half of his dropbacks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's being either hit hurried or pressured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, Troy kind of mentioned it is that, you know, what ends up happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you could feel it how the pressure was kind of speeding him up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so it's, you know, his internal clock is telling him,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't be standing back here, patting the ball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I've got to do something with this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then as Troy mentioned as well, I mean, he did a go standard crew.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that how there were times when

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was places for Brock to kind of just move up, but it's like shit, you know, Troy has trusted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as I say, sitting up here in the booth because it doesn't feel like like he can just move up in maneuver in the pocket to him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The way the pressure has been

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[SPEAKER_00]: all game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we were just fortunate that it wasn't really until that last one where he really took any really really, I mean, as I again, as I said, no, my couch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, big hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, I'm sure all of them, all of them, all of those idiots in three sex, he felt but that last one was really like kind of a kill shot where he takes the two hits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so that it was just, let me, again, and hi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, don't feel the need to come on here and sit on the offense about, I mean, because that defense, if anything, I want to first, you've created to them because they were just really, really, really good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I knew that they were really, really good coming into that I kind of like watching defense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And unfortunately, for me, two of my other than the nine or two of the teams I watched a lot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: are nine or adjacent, which are the chargers and the Texans.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They have a couple of the better defenses.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Seattle is also one of the better defenses in the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was going to be tough setting for us under the best of circumstances.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And these weren't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, as Troy, again, I keep saying that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I started what they did a great job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ricky gives you kind of an option that no other receiver as this receiver room is currently constructed gives you and then without Trent and I just think that we we saw this show before just takes weren't quite as high, but we saw Trent out there playing on one leg against the Rams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: where, you know, we'd beat them 10 games in a row.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And until it's that one time, we're really matters and trends out there on one leg.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it's like the thing that we talk about as a fan base is at what point does going out there and not healthy become a detriment to your team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you hurting your team more than your help,

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[SPEAKER_00]: being out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it was the smart play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you thought that especially with that hamstring, if you thought that they could

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[SPEAKER_00]: heart harm themselves more that they could help us because now we got a you know it would have been nice it would have been really nice to push all the tips in the table in the middle of the table and went tonight but now that we didn't it's going to be a quick you know we're going to have to turn will be I don't know when we'll be playing next week but

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[SPEAKER_00]: going to be on the road and it's in either one of the neither one of those situations is going to be ideal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Robert said that he thought the the loss was a little humbling because it was showed the reality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is kind of what I was thinking as as the game started.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, you know, this is going to be a truth serum game, like how good is this team really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you did you see the strength of schedule numbers, how they turned out at the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, so the Niners, you know, we knew that they were going to have an easier schedule.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But playing Seattle and the Rams twice actually move them a little bit to the middle as far as the harder schedules like I think they're I think they're overall winning percentage of the teams that they played was like right under 50%

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you look at the pats and the pats were like the by far the the easiest schedule of the of the entire NFL But like by a giant amount the pats had the easiest and so I was looking at it and I was like, okay, well

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, what we were thinking was that they had the Niners had a very easy schedule, but because of playing in the NFC West, it did move them a little bit more towards the middle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the one thing that jumped out to me is that the Rams

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... you know we we sort of think about uh... you know they should have been a little bit better than they were but they actually had a pretty hard schedule when it when it came out to it it's the eagles who kind of added a little bit easier and may have been slightly disappointing uh... from a regular season records standpoint but anyway that the point was is that some of these wins that they got near the end of the season

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[SPEAKER_01]: beating Philip Rivers was kind of a big deal when it happened, but when you kind of looking at how Indianapolis was just falling and falling and falling, you know, in hindsight, not as impressive, beating the bears was it was a really big deal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You beat them at home, though, and you're expecting to kind of take care of that in a big game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this one to me was like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we, you know, we, I don't dislike Sam Donald.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was on our team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We rooted for him for two years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were like, this dude can play quarterback in the NFL.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you put like a Matt Stafford with this Seattle team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think anybody touches them for the whole play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how good that they were tonight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But because they have Sam Donald, I think there's gonna be some room for error there that may cause them to trip up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The one thing is that in the NFC, there's not really a killer, like there's some really quality football teams, but there's not really a killer and then in the AFC, I think the pats are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: probably going to get get beat once they play a good team who that good team is going to be we'll see because again like just like I don't see a killer on the other side either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this playoff is going to be this is my dark horse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Who is it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He used Houston is my dark horse.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they have a helaces defense and they have found something in the run game and shroud is playing well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be Denver and Houston.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, those would be the two times that I would not want to play in the AFC.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't because they play a specific style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't believe, you know, I am not, I don't have anything against them at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't believe in, and you just confirmed my suspicions about the Patriots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I haven't, I'm not going to pretend that I've washed all out of Patriots football, but they kind of seem like a paper tiger to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was an amazing, incredible MVP, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's great that, you know, they are much better than they were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And like, he probably is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And tonight I was thinking, you know, if Kyle won tonight, he would have that would be his case for coach of the year, but I would guess if they go ahead and beat the dolphins and they secure the number one seed, I would imagine that variable is gonna be coach of the year and like you say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: May will probably end up being MVP at this point, which is, I mean, I mean, good for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I don't know, I don't have any malice against either one of them, except that I, I happen to root for Jim Harbaw and, yeah, you know, go Ryan's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are the two teams that, if, you know, who I would want, if, if I could pick somebody to come, you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: to be in the Super Bowl this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: From the AFC, it would be one of those two teams, those are just coaches that I happen to have a lot of respect for.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, you're right, it's going to be kind of wide open here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The thing that concerns me, I know we still probably have a little bit more on this game, but thinking about next week,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The one thing I knew for sure is I was surprised that the colds didn't, and I was surprised that the bears didn't run them all more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I knew about Seattle, the fact that, you know, that is a weakness of ours.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But even early in the season, when they were averaging like two yards of carry, Kubiak has been committed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to running the ball, you know, to, you know, in Seattle fans, to their shagrin, a lot of the times, to running the ball 25, 28, 30 times the game, even when it wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_00]: yielding anything significant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I knew that unlike, it was funny Kyle mentioned it this week in his press availability that looking at the tape, it just seems that some teams quite frankly look at our secondary and they're like, oh, food.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go ahead and we're going to go ahead and test these corners and safety.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they don't, they just kind of have gone away from

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[SPEAKER_00]: running the ball and I've been saying it for the whole second half of the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's if you want to make hey against this team, I don't know why you would stop running the ball, I would make us stop it consistently before I would just continue to and we made some good plays today, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then they're times when we're just completely out of position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And my brother pointed it out, it's crazy for NFL team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He got used, he stopped it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The game several times and like used instead of players being squared up ready to make the tackle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like everybody, we had their shoulders turned.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was like, it looked like you football.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that's what it looks like when you run a sweep and you stop it, you stop the tape and everybody's just kind of out of position and nobody knows where they're supposed to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We are like that on so many run plays.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's it's really frustrating and we've just gotten off the hook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think either one of those teams that we play next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're smart, they're going to look at this tape and they are going to, I know the bears have to be kicking themselves to, um, not running the ball more than they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, um, Philadelphia has not actually run the ball, um, can't call well this year, but,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That their last game was a, I think was a concern to the rest of the league that he, you know, that I kept, I left that game saying, you know what, you know, remember, if you're the Superbowl Champion, November football doesn't matter at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they look like they are, they look scary and serious and it's January.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I,

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[SPEAKER_00]: before I even knew that that was a possibility.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not a team that I want to be especially going into their place to play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a play early and I was in the discord.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I said, I think it was the second play of the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They may run for 150 today because like if I'm if I'm Seattle and I'm thinking about like how do I control this game?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't want Sam Darnl to have to throw 30 times because the Sam Darnl throws 30 times then we're kind of playing into the 49ers hands and what they want to do and so when I when I saw is like okay they're they're going to run this football and you know the thing that you were talking about

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was very early in the game, Alfred Collins, he was running in the opposite direction of where the play was going and I was like, what is he doing like he and I said, I don't know exactly what had happened for him to do that, but I think he kind of got

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[SPEAKER_01]: He got deep into thinking the play was going one way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so he kind of turned his back and the place going in the other direction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, that's not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's not what you want to see from the guy who's supposed to help you stuff the run.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that that was like, like you said, you saw that often.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in some cases, you know, the Niners have small-ish linebackers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And D winters and Tatum Bethune, you know, they were getting that gray

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[SPEAKER_01]: man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was brutalizing these linebackers on these plays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in some cases like getting away with a little bit of extra, there's a little bit of like arm around the, the underneath the face mask and just eating these poor dudes up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you, on the play where

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[SPEAKER_01]: to garnold like he kind of goes in unblocked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think it was

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, he's trying to get through a hole and he probably kind of got pushed a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the reason why he doesn't actually make the play is because he kind of gets pushed a little bit and then he gets stepped on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's still almost, he's still almost made the play.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you just realize like how, you know, the linebackers are not

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're not that much, you know, bigger than the big secondary players because they go for the speed and, you know, because D winters himself is a speed guy and I was just like, man, this is not a great game, this physical game that the, that the Seahawks are playing probably not great for for these smaller faster landbackers because they're having to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to make plays, you know, in the trenches that, you know, they would normally clean up, but now they're having to, to really bounce off a guy's and stuff and it was just like, I'm like, yeah, this is not a recipe for the Niners defense to have a lot of success here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, uh, it was not a game that I had much confidence in after like the first quarter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're, you know, as a fan, you're just kind of waiting at like, okay, what's what's going to be the thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's going to be the thing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shelvin brought up the fourth and one call in the chat, where

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Niners have successfully run that quarterbacks sneak and I don't know if they maybe thought it was a little bit too long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't seem that long, but that instead, you know, they're throwing some some past to the flat to to use check.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like for one yard, they obviously don't trust their running game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They didn't trust any play action.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was just like, okay, like this is their offense being all out of sorts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they could never flip the field when they needed to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They could never change the momentum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the little glimmer of hope that you have ends up in a turn over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're at their down 13 to 3.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not like they're going to tie the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to just make the game close and to give you hope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that was the entire second half was Seattle 349 or 0.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you look at like if like you think back in the recesses of your memory,

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[SPEAKER_01]: it would seem like it was 20 to nothing the way that the teams were playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it really, you made several good points there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was just,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it was one of those things where I just never felt like we were going to be able to get over the hump.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was just, it was, let me, they're just a good.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I could say, I'll say it again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt that it was more that they were a better defense than we were offensive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like there was some huge fail.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, 49 fans are going to do their tile play calling thing, you know, that, that will be a huge, that will he didn't call, but I never felt like

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like, what place was supposed to call tonight that he didn't call?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't see anything that was like the jump out of me, whether he definitely, we should be doing this instead of what it is we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, man, we got to figure out how to get these guys blocked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I knew with the line up that we had that was going to be problematic and it turned out to be and if you can't get it blocked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there aren't very many plays in the playbook for when, you know, Brock is under siege.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be successful in that circumstance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So how's this for a stat?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seattle's yards per carry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're almost exactly Brock's yards per completion like that's how bad the game was and you know what you know who didn't actually kill us like I thought

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[SPEAKER_01]: Smith and Jacob was going to go for like 150 and that they were going to run for 150.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, he had a good game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He didn't have a great game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, if you want to look at the kind of the upside is the past defense did play, I think much better than a lot of us thought.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if you take away

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[SPEAKER_01]: some of the mistackles, you know, the big plays that Seattle had are probably lessened, but that's part of their game in the open field, Sharbanay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that dude looks like turbo and ozone from breaking, like just sending people on all kind of different directions with cuts and stuff, like he was awesome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then yeah, you know, they pretty much had an answer for everything that the 49ers could not answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but uh... yet there's not much uh... there's not much else to talk about any pinnero had the one field goal uh... jason mire's miss two so uh... that was you know if you had hope there there was some hope uh... they had a dead dead a nice punt return and a good kick return uh...

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, this game was, you know, the Niners had two sacks, I guess, but it's just the, the pressure wasn't consistent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Samo had a nice sack where that was maybe the best, the best opportunity, at least, from the Niners defensive line, that was the best play, Bethune had an early sack on when they were at the one yard line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is where you're like, okay, this is still Sam Darnall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what the hell is she doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, there's opportunities there, but it is, it was just an outplay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, there's no, like, running back to game in my mind, there's maybe a play here or there, which could have got them closer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know if there was a moment here or there, that would have, that would have changed the outcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a pretty good, realistic butt-wapping, even though the score was only 13 to three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That fumble would have been huge.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, it's one of those things where even if we get the ball, we recover that fumble and we get the ball with the 30, what did we see offensively that convinces you that we're gonna be able to catch that in for anything more than a feel-go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I never felt like we were really threatening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to score.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was it was such a slog.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think with the way the season has gone to this point,

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[SPEAKER_00]: when you see, when you're looking at the box score and you're not getting anything from from CMC, it just kind of, it feels kind of hopeless because throughout this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess I think that's more accredited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: to him and Kyle, then anything else it, you know, we know we can and we go that has to be the game plan.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to be the guy that circled in red on the whiteboard every week and every week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It has a matter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has come out and he has produced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we are not getting that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: The whole calculus, the same way we talked about the Steph Curry comparison to him when things are going good, his gravity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's the opposite too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If he's not going, it kind of makes defending us a whole lot easier.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you figure out a plan to keep him in check,

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of it, you know, and if you've got guys that you're comfortable with, who can stay with him, it's not going to be a track meet, and he's don't, you're not, you've got DBs that you are confident with with him that you're not in that, or your linebackers, because that's what ends up being with George is the thing, is that most teams, he's just a matchup nightmare, but they seem to have that

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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of figured out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, once you got those to, where you feel like you're under control, the receivers are just not, they're just not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing that those guys are going to do on a consistent basis that you're worried about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And terms of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, excuse me, they are, they're just not kind of speed merchants or anything that they're not going to get behind you and threaten you in that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just, it was just a, it was just a bad match of for us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you get Trent back, I'm sure that makes them feel ton better.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure it makes Brock feel a ton better and you know, Ricky, I don't think you can count on Ricky.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even if he does play, he's a tackle and falling on his knee away from being out again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's just going to be like, would you put money on?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, Ricky playing three straight playoff games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think I would, like, that doesn't have been his season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's played in almost as many games as he's missed and his young career so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is one of those things where, like you said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seemed like, I know I'm exaggerating, but it seemed like every time he would make a good catch, he would get hit and he'd be back on the sideline again, and I'm sure that I'm saying that's probably an exaggeration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I can think of several times where that was the case where made a good play, but then he's out for the next series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's so like you say,

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, let's end this show.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to go through the teams in the NFC and give me your comfort level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like first off, if you were to rank the playoff teams, who do you think is the best team in the NFC?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now as it stands, seahawks are one, bears are two, eagles are three, books or panthers are four.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you have Niners, Rams, Packers, Rams, are going to leap the Niners unless like I said, the ghost of Neil Lomax shows up and wins one for the old Cardinals there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Back when they were the Phoenix Cardinals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It rams and then packers like would would you from what you've seen would would the seahawks be one would the eagles be one would the rams be one who do you think is a top team I think it's the seahawks Based on the entire regular season I'll probably go with the rams I I I know that they have not been playing well

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[SPEAKER_00]: lately, and but I watched enough ramps to know that, um, deandry Hopkins is, I mean, that's a deandry Hopkins.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I meant to find take atoms.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If I take atoms wrong, yeah, wrong guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's very,

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[SPEAKER_00]: integral to what they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they kind of like with, with, um, crowded with Trent and Ricky today, if you know, um, McVay has been saying that if it were playoff games, Adams would have gone, yeah, the last two weeks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so I think that they are, I would say,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seattle ice, I am really impressed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the Eagles looked good last week and I know they've been up and down, but I'm one of those guys, you know, to beat a champion, you got to beat the champ and I just think that you get to a point where

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't necessarily believe in turning the switch on and off, but I saw something last week in them that, um, and if it's, you know, if they are according to the oil, the way they've been the rest of the season, the rest of the season, they'll stink it up this week, but if they don't, I would be concerned about them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think my two, my top three teams, I think Seattle has clearly separated themselves, and then I think it's the Eagles and the Rams and whatever order you want to put them in,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the one thing about Seattle that would cause you to bet against them is Donald like that's the only thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really a thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you know, I think if you are in the NFC and you see that, okay, everything's got to go through Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're like pretty comfortable that

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[SPEAKER_01]: if you can play some mistake free football that that you you're going to play with those guys and I don't know that if the Rams and the Seahawks play before the NFC championship game, I'm not sure that I wouldn't take the Rams at this point just because of that quarterback comparison.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so that's a very interesting thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm dying to see how Caleb plays in the playoffs because as we know, the intensity's dialed up a bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, like the Packers and you know, I think their hopes are,

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[SPEAKER_01]: around Jordan love getting loose and having like an incredible playoffs, but there, you know, they're hurting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think he's playing this week because it's a good question stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, the Niners are sitting in in a position where I think fans will be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: happy if they play well and really, really frustrated if they get boat race in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like if they, if we go into Philly and we play, we go toe to toe with Philly and it's a coin flip to who wins that game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think fans will be hyped.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think fans would actually expect them to beat the bears in Chicago.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I would expect them to beat the bears, but I would

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[SPEAKER_01]: But those might be the, you know, those might be the, uh, the bears might be the only team, um, of the top three, uh, uh, or I guess they would be the top four of the top four that I, that I would be really comfortable to the Niners could beat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Philly the Rams Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I would favor all three of those teams against the Niners.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think I think that's the one if they could get Chicago there and you know the aside from the fact that you know you never like to play them so close together But they'll both have that same advantage, but I think Chicago is getable in a way that I just

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that Philly has not played as well this season as they're obviously capable of playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're Super Bowl champion and I just expect them to have a very good play off and I think the things that they do well are things that are problems for the 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw with Seattle, I think they have a scheme and a group of talent that can give us problems.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we have determined that at this point, the only, we're not going, we need to score points to win.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're, we're just not going to win the, I don't think we're going to win these defensive struggle.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's, uh, but.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of three or 20 to said I don't have confidence that we're going to win that kind of game I think we need I think George was right it was prophetic when he said middle of season You know we got to score 30 again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think that that is the kind of We are we have to that's the mindset that we have to have is we're going to have to put up 30

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[SPEAKER_00]: To win and I just don't know that we're going to be able to do that when against any of these other teens beside the bears push come to shove.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can write the narrative right now if the nine or two play the Eagles from the Bay Area side is, you know, the ghost of Brock Pertis Elbow was left out on that field.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, for him, that would be a nice, a nice little thing for him to go out there and play really good football because of

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[SPEAKER_01]: how at the last time, you know, they were there in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, you know, the Rams, the Seahawks, the 49ers, the one thing that they did very well, because the the Niners split with both of those teams that, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: it wasn't like they got rolled over by those guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a iron sharpens iron kind of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in the back of my mind, if I do have some solace, it's that knowing that Seattle and the Rams are good and knowing that the 49ers played well against them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe these three teams are a little bit better battle tested and the 49ers specifically, then we even realized just because of these, you know, these games against each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if anything could prepare you for what the playoffs are going to be like, like, tonight was one of those games, you, I would have preferred the 9ers to play better and to play closer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that is the type of team that they're going to have to be ready for

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's going to be Seattle part two and how do you how do you figure that out and you know capture kiles thinking about that right now kiles you know you know he's he's not going home and going bad as dude is like okay how do we how do we actually create some space and and and stuff for these guys but

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so, you know, I would like to point that out in that while it feels a little bit like, okay, the Niners may not be as good as these other teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I do want to remind myself that they played both of those teams competitively.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the second Rams game was not fantastic, but yeah, so, you know, maybe maybe I am being a little bit more of a downer than I need to be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know that they had that an excellent season when it comes down to it and much better than we thought coming into the season or you know at least after the injuries happened especially after week five yeah but yeah I think that if you want to

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[SPEAKER_00]: put a silver lining on this to play.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll start it for them today.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was definitely a playoff type game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So where a team like the bears or the Eagles, I don't know that they're going to have

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[SPEAKER_00]: that kind of matchup this week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know, you know, there's been talking about how long the players are even going to play in those games, because their seating is pretty much set.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where as this was, you know, this was a playoff type intensity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's going to be it will be interesting to see if how we are able to who we get and then you know how we are able to you know what what our coaching staff is able to devise to give us the best chance to win.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they get some players back and they can compete,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're going to play, they're going to play as well as we can expect them now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's 3rd and 17 in Kenneth Walker is his role in my 19 cards again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's maybe the worst play I've seen all year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hey, the shelving says he's playing with house money as a fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I'm playing with house money, but yeah, there isn't an expectation of Super Bowl or bust in any way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that's kind of a hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if any team maybe Philadelphia, but with with no chiefs, you know, I think Buffalo fans will probably want to, you know, Josh Allen to kind of

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[SPEAKER_01]: get back in in in in a title game because he doesn't have the big bad wolf of Pat Mahomes to face so you know that there's I think a lot of teams are kind of in the same boat as us, which is like hey we have a chance

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no 72 dolphins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no Tom Brady Pats.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no 80s 49ers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's no 85 bears.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's no like team that is just kind of the lead dog going in this playoff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is kind of what the NFL wants too, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like every like you have, you're gonna have 14 teams in the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_01]: all whose fan bases are going to talk themselves into the idea of, you know, they better not let us get this one because if we get this one and you know, that whole conversation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So anyways, it'll be fun next week and we'll do a lot of scoreboard watching on Sunday to see where things land and, you know, Fred Warner was pretty fired up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I couldn't tell Nick boasts us here to be chilling.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure he wanted to be out there, but he was just kind of scratching his head like, oh, man, this is not looking good, but hey, we have one more week to go at least in the team, the team's going to go out and ball out hopefully.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is going to be it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll be back next week after we don't know when the playoff game is yet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So could be on Saturday, could be on Sunday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that they'd put the Niners on Monday night, but they did kind of screw with their schedule this time coming off of a short week.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe they maybe they would put them on Monday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think one of the wildcard games is a Monday night or if it's the same schedule as it's been.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, um, all right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it from here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For Rod, I am WG.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We will see you when we see you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks and shout-outs to Shelton and Robert for being in the chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace out.