Warriors Playoff Path & Season Preview, A'ja Wilson's WNBA Finals & Valkyries Offseason Primer | Golden State Hoop

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to Golden State hoop our warriors and valkyries podcast and if you've been hanging out with us in the discord, I think we'll have some irrelevant conversations, especially including the valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've had some really good valkyries conversations going on in the discord and if you are

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[SPEAKER_00]: in joining the discord gg at bspn media.com.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On today's show, Brian and I are going to talk about the warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The season is upon us by this time next week.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They will have played a basketball game, which seems kind of crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The season seemed early for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm assuming it's the same time every

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, fatigue is the word, but when you start following the NBA and WMBA closely, like I think everything just starts to mesh together, that, you know, it's just like all once he's one leagues about to end, the next one's about to start, one's about to end, the next one's about to start.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of works pretty well that way, though, if you're fan of both, it is super nice in that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I also love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I know from a scheduling perspective how much it sucks in the WMBA side that say your page backers and you just want a championship and you can and then a week later you're at the draft like that sucks, but from a viewing perspective, that's your round.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is kind of fun like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll we'll talk about that because I think there's a conversation to be had you you shared something in the discord about early draft draft boards for the WMBA and I will well we'll get to this when we talk about this, but I was just kind of joking that

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[SPEAKER_00]: watching women's college basketball this year for me is literally going to be about who can the Valcrease take.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're assuming right now that they'll be picked number eight though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's official.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll talk about all that stuff to the off season for the WNBA, the primer,

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[SPEAKER_00]: whether or not Kathy is going to be around there's that's the conversation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, we're going to start warriors first the history of this podcast at least Golden State hoop, which is not we have not done many of these yet, but the history so far has been that we start Valkyries, but

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is flipped now because the warrior season is upon us, valkers in the off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll do the second half of this show talking valkers, but we are going to start with the death line up proportion of this podcast.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So the warrior's season preview here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know about you and this you have to tell me what you are feeling about this because I'm kind of giddy about this team and I know there are lots of warning signs when it comes to age.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But when I look at this basketball team, I go, man, this is going to be a very enjoyable team with a couple of caveats, the main one being age and injuries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think second,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think everyone's penciling OKC in as like there's going to go back to back and historically in the NBA, that has been very hard to do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it is because when you finally go through that championship season, you're not just playing 82 games, you're playing 82 games and then plus.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when we get to the conference finals in the finals, those are kind of like one

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so Oklahoma City, all of the things that you would believe back to back contender would have, they have it, they have the youth, they have the depth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But historically, it is kind of a rare thing for teams to just easily cruise back to back 2016 warriors and they were the best regular season team of all time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they still fell in the finals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think some of it for me is like just the history of the NBA tells me that Oklahoma City will be good, but they're going to have to probably get through some hoops that maybe they didn't have to get through last year on their their rise to their first championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So some of it is that and then I think some of it is like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just really want to celebrate whatever this end of Steph Carey's career is now you are lucky enough to really where you first started watching basketball he's just been in your life like the whole time and for me Like he is the greatest Golden State warrior that I've ever seen like bar none but also I had you know 30 years watching basketball before he came into our lives not not quite 30 probably you know probably closer 25

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[SPEAKER_00]: But am I like over over the top here with my thinking with my excitement with what this four years team can be and we'll break down why I believe that but what is your initial reaction to me being so excited about this team?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think your excitement is

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the right place, although I think this OKC team is different than most championship teams, like I feel like I got to imagine, I don't have the stats, but like I've got to imagine, they're like the youngest out of, if you look at the core of SGA, jade up and chat, like in terms of winning a championship, you can go down like the, the yokeage one or, you know, the Boston one was relatively young, but of course, Tatum's Achilles that, but I guess I'm

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[SPEAKER_01]: from a myriad of reasons, but also like injuries and you know you think about the bucks one where it's honest true in Middleton, maybe a little bit older of a trio.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think okay, see has a youthful trio with a lot of assets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know their cap situation up the top of my head, but I could tell you right now, it's not like Clippers warriors, like you know whoever else is up there, like I'm sure they have a little bit of comfort ability, just in terms of the rest of the

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[SPEAKER_01]: There could be like if Presti's has done all this and accumulated all these assets, like I just think they're so dangerous from a roster like accumulation perspective, like they could just get someone at the deadline, just like the warriors did, but like they're they can like add it to what they already have and I don't know, I have a little speel I think when towards the end of the season where I'm just like looking at what they have on paper, how young they are the assets they have, it's like

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it would be pretty hard to mess this up, like what they've done so far, you know, just like, oh, Aaron Wiggins and a first will take your bad contract, but like good player, but like they just have so many options where as some of these other teams, like the warriors don't have many options, and we're just like, coming or a bust for a trade, and they kind of have all these different avenues they can go, you know, just basically getting Caruso for Giddy, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many of those they can do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I look at it like I think it's hard to go back to back in this league, but I think from the championship winners that we've seen and recent history, they're the ones that I think have the best chances to do it and, you know, maybe have like a three championship and four years type of thing that the warriors did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, but I don't want to completely get rid of your excitement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think OKC is so good, but I think the Warriors are a top three contender in the West.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If them Denver and OKC, and I think that, you know, what the fans have been, we've been saying, like, get stuff a two, get stuff a two, and then they get Jimmy Butler, and then you see what could have happened in the playoffs, that stuff knock on down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like now you have a full season Jimmy Butler's integrated and training camp sure he's not playing right now, but just being there and getting more chemistry and learning, you know, more stuff about the organization and, and, and, and.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, getting camaraderie with your teammates just all those little things that you kind of don't get when you just get thrusted to a team and February or January or whatever it was like You know that accumulated and also with like horror and and you know, the horror just seems like a perfect fit and golden state just with You know kind of knowing what he can bring and knowing what they need like there's no like I need to get 20 I need to start like this curse said that on TK's podcast it's like it's just such a perfect fit so

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we've said it before, but this team, you know, game one, Minnesota, we, if I look back in time, like I remember, we were worried because Seven in Houston and Minnesota went five or six in LA and Minnesota had all this rest there, younger team, we were worried that the

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[SPEAKER_01]: like we were worried that that was not going to be great for the way I get more and was not going to be good for the warriors and they won it and they won it pretty convincingly and had stuff not gone down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure everyone is saying that they would have won the series.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think your excitement is in the right place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think that okay see so damn good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And also it's really quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll add a one more thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've had a Denver like hump we haven't been able to get over since we beat them in the playoffs in 2021 or sorry 2022 or 23 it literally was like a they had a regular season streak against us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After we beat them in the playoffs and round one when we won the championship up until like one of the last games of the season this past year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had beaten us for like two or three years straight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You think about those games of the Yokech half court buzzer beater against Looney.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We almost get it and then JK leaks to shams that he's not happy or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's all been like Denver wins and demoralizing wins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know or I thought I think there was a Christmas game or there was something close to it Christmas game where I remember C.P.

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[SPEAKER_01]: on the team and yoke it's just getting ridiculous foul after ridiculous, ridiculous foul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they are also you know someone who I want to see as match up against with this iteration of the team and now they've also gotten better you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's those three teams for me though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know Houston's probably one people want to hear Yeah, they're they're for for me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So and this isn't a regular season prediction This is just who I think the contenders are I don't think the warriors are finishing top three I think Houston's finishing top three maybe two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think the well even without Vanvilly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, so let's kind of, let's kind of break it down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna go through the roster, because I think going through this roster is also what got me excited because they've so much depth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the problem is the depth isn't balanced.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is heavy on old players and heavy on young players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have those like kind of middle guys who are kind of just in their own and getting into their prime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... starting five who somewhat it could be this we don't know if it's going to be this but staff be pods jimmy butler dream on alhorford that is it that is a very solid starting five

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[SPEAKER_00]: on the bench, or on the injured list, at least coming into the season D Anthony Melton, who we really liked last year because it was fit, but then he got hurt and and he is actually a wild card.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people are just thinking you're just going to be able to pencil him in, but look, you know, ACL injury, he's got to come back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got to get healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thankfully for the warriors, they have some pieces that will allow him to come back slowly, one of those pieces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seth Curry, who is also kind of on this weird roster, exhibit contractor, whatever they call it, in that he's going to miss probably the first month of the season at least before they can add him to the roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he healed obviously is was a super sub in the playoffs for us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He kind of came into his own and maybe he's kind of that one guy who maybe is like in his prime possibly buddy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe we'll see Pat Spencer is back on this roster a Steve curve favorite

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[SPEAKER_00]: This dude currently shoot the basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's so fun to watch.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's so gritty and then teams go, okay, enough of your hustle enough of your, you know, trying to challenge all of our guys shoot the ball and he's like, sorry, I can't really shoot it that well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, Gary Payton's second.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know what he is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's exactly what he's always been.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to play some minutes defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to hit some corner three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then there's going to be moments where he can't catch a basketball or dribble a basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he's going to be hurt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just the GP to experience.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We love him because of his heart.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And because he's the little big man catching L. E. Oops, but, you know, it's pretty predictable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: a young rookie who I'm kind of interested now we only have a couple of preseason games and yesterday's game I couldn't even watch because it was on fubo and league pass I flipped on might my hulu live television

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, where's the game?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I click on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I go, there it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I start to watch it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, wait, this is last week's Portland game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not this week's Portland game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, Jimmy, I'm like, Jimmy's not, not supposed to play this game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What happened?

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, so this I have the wrong game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we didn't get to see it, but supposedly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: will Richard had an excellent game and Steve Kerr was like, yeah, like, I'm not scared to play this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like he plays basketball the right way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Though coming into this season, he's I'm guessing even behind Gees Santos.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what their roster looks like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's probably number 14 on the roster.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is kind of cool to see a young back court player who they believe in, um, who's athletic and who seems, you know, he's a four-year college player.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like almost the same age as JK.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say, well, how old is he?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, JK is like a few months older than him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, he's got, he's got some, he's got some miles under his belt, but at the same time,

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, being 23 in the league as a rookie is not best case scenario for super stars either, but it seems like he's going to be of some value at some point during the season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then backing up Jimmy Butler, we have JK, we have Moses Moody, it feels like these guys have been in our lives for much longer than just these five years or whatever it's been four

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we can go back to, you know, years ago with the community watch, like these are our guys, like we've been down with JK, we've been down with Moses Moody, we desperately have been wanting JK to take it to the next level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He has not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he probably won't in a warrior's uniform, you know, we kind of have to be okay with that based on his new contract Moses moody is a grind guy we saw maybe the best that he had played up to this point last year when they started him at power forward he's he's Moses he's everything that we've known him to be and he's everything he's not everything that we've also known him to be but still easy these are our guys we root for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they're going to, they're going to be bench depth pieces.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Moses actually might get some starting time when Jimmy or Dremont goes to the bench.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So back up bigs, trace jacks and Davis, and our guy, Gisanto's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And backing up also from the power forward and center position for for trace.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is I think that's 14 players that I just meant you say Quentin posts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, actually no, I didn't even say Quentin posts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Quentin posts would be 14.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So let me let me make sure 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just talking bodies who will get minutes this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's 16 players.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What about two he.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and he's, you know, he's going to be on the two way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I'm going to throw it to me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wonder if we should go to any Santa Cruz games this year with Richard and two he playing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the point is is they have so many players and guys that you can imagine because of the idea that

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to want to rest some guys, guys, some guys will be injured.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That, you know, it wouldn't be surprising to see Will Richard get a little bit of run mid season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: A Seth Curry, all of a sudden, you know, in a close-out, offensively spreading the floor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be interesting to see how Kerr mixes and matches this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think he's also thinking like, at the same time, we can be a little bit more forceful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: in maybe resting stuff on a back to back or resting Jimmy on a back to back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know owl is probably not playing back to back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where you slide guess that's where you're sliding in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Quentin post or trace Jackson Davis.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's the roster and I think the the biggest positive for me is it's like the same team coming back with the exception of owl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone else, you're not, you're not bringing back Looney that that's going to be something that the Warriors are going to have to get used to.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a little bit of a, you know, when when an emergency hit the red button kind of guy for Steve Kerr and so they'll have to learn how to play without Looney, but that roster is essentially the same roster that they went into Houston and Minnesota last year and we had thought that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, you know, this, this same kid could play with with all of these teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that is my biggest reason why I'm so excited about it because of what we saw at the end of last season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts about the roster and does having too many players hold them back in any way?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it does not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember last year, some of the criticism was like, okay, they have depth, but they have so many seven or eight guys and not really any like three to five guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're like, you know, like, sure they have depth, but it's not like top end depth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's more like, like, this guy can give you minutes in the playoffs, but like, maybe not as, you know, a starter or as like a six man, like this is like a seventh or eighth person off the bench that can give you a run in a playoff game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think the addition of L.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like think about thinking about that Houston series how much run Quentin posts had to get because they weren't turning to loon and loons expressed that he felt like they should have when they played so much Steven Adams and loon was like that's why match up against that's the type of guy I'm good against why didn't they play me more against still a little distant a little disrespected he did and rightfully so but they played so much quentin post were as in this iteration you know you could start drare horror but when in when it matters you could just flip flop them as the five

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't have to turn to Quentin post or trace Jackson Davis or loon even though you can't anymore, but he did get run in that Houston series, but I just think about that and like you don't have to do that anymore, you could just, you know, put dry at the small ball five and then, you know, or for it at the five and just keep, you know, mix and matching that and you know, I, I think, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to think about, Melon, like I think it's a great addition and why not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope it kind of figures itself out because I'm not loving the idea of Pat Spence as the backup one or the opods as the backup one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't love that either, but you know, I think he needs to be that for his uh...

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[SPEAKER_01]: his own like progression, but but you could see Milton and B. Pods total in the basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but it relies on this guy kind of being good post ACL was it was at ACL?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, I like the roster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I'm just wondering, like, do they have the guys in case, you know, that the stars need to play 60 or 65 games depending on injury or rest, like, do they, do they can they string together some wins and you hope that, you know, JK can help with that, you know, before he gets traded or traded or if he gets traded, I'm just trying to think of like who can take another step who could take another leap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, because it's eyes on the top three touted young, quote, unquote, young players on the roster being JK, Moody, and B-pods, yeah, I mean, at this time, at this point, if you were going to make a guess, you're probably guessing it's Pajimski, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, sometimes he's got a little bit of yellow in him that it may be too much for him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You kind of want him to be

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[SPEAKER_00]: more reserved than he is, but you still want him to be confident because he can actually make shots for them in ways that they do need it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a potential moody leap as well, not necessarily from a shock creating perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we're kind of well past that, but just, you know, I think you had a good three minute.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just be more reliant there and then there were some you know stuff at the rim I thought he did last year where he's like sneaky athletic because he has these long alarms like there's stuff there so and I really I actually have league pass so I was I watched about near half of the game before we started and we'll Richard did do some cool stuff he did some stuff that's like okay I see why I occur wanted to give you the start here you know just already recognizing that hey I'm a 22 year old for your college player like I'm not going to

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[SPEAKER_01]: try to go with a coming or out like I recognize that, you know, I need to help where I can help, so I can get tick and that's kind of, you know, the classic warriors M.O.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with guys who either go undrafted or, you know, go like, I don't know, I think of like a

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[SPEAKER_01]: poor guy already forgetting his name Anthony Lam right like someone who's like I know what I know what I'm not and I'm just here to play hard so I can get minutes on this team because if you play hard and you hustle and you do you you cater to stuff you get minutes on this team and I think we'll Richard is a player who just already kind of has that out the gates but there's a little bit of like

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[SPEAKER_01]: athleticism and potential 3 in deability there that you know you want to see and so I wonder like I feel like we'll Richard's a player that's like okay you look at him now he's the 14th man on the roster but like Stephen Hermite just like on a whim just be like okay you're like in the in the rotation now um but yeah I'm I'm I'm excited for the season to start I'm really excited for the season to start and we we mentioned last time we recorded about how many different places

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[SPEAKER_00]: what how to watch these games and so it's looking to be on Amazon Prime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I like I like Amazon Prime.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In general, the way the app works like you could start late like you know because I'm I'm a DVR guy I like to start these games like an hour late and then I catch up and I and instead of taking me two and a half hours Watch the game it takes me like an hour and a half instead and you can do that on Amazon Prime They're gonna there's some games that are gonna be exclusive to peacock Like not even gonna be on NBC So you're gonna have to be you know the rhythm in which I watch this stuff's gonna be a little bit different this year And I'm gonna have to play around with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's gonna suck

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[SPEAKER_00]: The NBC games will get captured by my Hulu, so I'll have those on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just what I want.

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[SPEAKER_00]: On everything captured by Hulu, like you know, I know, me too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and then, of course, there's gonna be the Bay Area sports games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna see a lot of fits in Colena as per usual.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, okay, so now, let me get into a little bit more about what it will take for the Warriors to be one of those top three teams, like you say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go back to 2021, a lot of things had to happen for them to win that championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One of them was it was the season before Denver was ready to really take it to that next level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so they caught Denver at the perfect time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then if you remember the next two rounds, it was a not ready for prime time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Memphis Grizzlies and not ready for prime time Dallas Mavericks.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was like before Lucas the sentence as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Lucas was great, but he was kind of a one-man show in that series.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they caught those teams at a great time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There was no other team in the west who just run in a way with stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and it allowed them to use their veteran wilds when it came to postseason basketball.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they understood how to take advantage of all those series is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they played a Boston Celtics team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That was like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: two years too soon for that Celtic's team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that Celtic's team, that series against the warriors, I believe that they, that that series specifically helped them get to the next level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because there, there, there were moments where

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, they went up to one in that series and I think Celtics fans were very excited, but that's also at the end of that third game where the Celtics won Iguadal was like, ah, we got them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's so sure that they were going to win the next three games and they did.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So,

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[SPEAKER_00]: things like that, I believe, do have to happen for the warriors to get back into the swing of things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oklahoma City may very well win 68 to 70 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will they have the same injury look come postseason?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Will they have any sort of hills that they have to run through or run up

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[SPEAKER_00]: that that weren't there last season and that's that's some of you know some of what why it's it's hard to repeat for Denver

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yokech has been awesome, you know, there's been no, I haven't seen anything from him that says he is slowing down at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the ringer had him number one as the best player in in this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's always going to be a thorn in their side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just it's just the thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a thorn in everybody's side and they will have to strategically figure out how to beat him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then

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[SPEAKER_00]: is if certain players got hurt at the wrong time and if more than one player got hurt for an extended period of time like if Jimmy and Steph, if we're getting into game 6570,

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[SPEAKER_00]: and they both get hurt and they're hobbling coming into the playoffs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That that's just that that's just bad news for for that team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's say Steph gets hurt, you know, Steph misses five games for whatever reason, middle the season, Jimmy misses his eight games, you know, three quarters through and then by the time the playoff start, they've got that behind them and they're ready to go like that would be

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[SPEAKER_00]: the way that you could foresee the warriors being ready come playoff time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And Houston, you know, Houston's going to take that growth spurt that they have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they're just adding one of the best scores in the industry to that team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not saying this is a cakewap for the warriors.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying the warriors are winning the NBA championship.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that they have a really, really good basketball team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm very interested to see how they compete against these

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boston is not going to be Boston because they got no Tatum.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The calves have ascended, I guess you could say, and they've taken their lumps throughout, but they have not convinced me that they are necessarily the team that anybody should be super scared of on the other side.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The next sort of somewhere I know, Nick's fans are really excited.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Jaylem Brunson is a problem for everybody, but they haven't proven that they have everything that it takes to be the team to beat either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think the East, if you could actually get through the West, it doesn't really seem that hard to get through the, you know, to actually win it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It may be one of those seasons where it's like, oh, you win the West.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, the NBA finals is kind of anti-climatic in that way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, that's just looking on paper right now, the calves and the nicks and whomever the hawks, maybe may surprise some people, they could be, you know, a barnburner kind of teams as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But just the way that I see it on paper today before the season starts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of those things really do have to happen.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think for the warriors to be in that area of a top three or whatever, like you said,

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[SPEAKER_00]: But because it's beginning in the season, nothing has happened yet that can deter you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've even mentioned Minnesota, by the way, Minnesota has been in the Western Conference Finals two years in a row, so they're, you know, they're going to be coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's that's just the intrigue with this basketball team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think they are smartly put together and it's a lot of it is going to be injury luck.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess before we get to the Valkyrie stuff, what do you have an idea

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[SPEAKER_01]: of what having a, you know, having Jimmy Butler on your team for a full season is going to look like I don't, I don't know, I just feels like things are different and I feel like that's just, you know, me talking myself into, you know, convincing myself that something isn't going to happen, but you know, he's not in a contract year, like I, because there's always a stuff with Jimmy that he's just kind of like, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: he doesn't play that many regular season games.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you look at it, I don't think so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we talked about that when we acquired him, but I don't know if I just seem high, man, like there's no, there's no, you know, looming extension, like he got paid, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like maybe I think there might, could they extend them this year if they wanted to, but I'm excited.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I truly am excited for a full year at Jimmy Butler.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that hasn't even, I felt like hasn't even been a conversation

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know anything that could go bad like there was all of last year like acquiring Jimmy could be a death sentence to your team like you could just make the race hell in the locker room like what the hell is that there's I've seen none of that this year well he was happy right that's part of it um he uh he does the thing like like his game is everything that the

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know money in the midrange like all of those things that he does is like the warriors don't do very well so it's almost like he's like the perfect player to put on this team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The last time he played over 60 games actually okay he's there's been two seasons he played 60 games in 23 24 with Miami and then he played 64 games in 22 23

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[SPEAKER_00]: with Miami, and then you have to go back to 1819 when he was Minnesota and Philadelphia, he played 65 games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I mean, you know, if the Warriors could get 65 games, 70 games, out of him, I think they'd be really happy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that'd be kind of perfect for them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, you know, for him to sit between 12 and 15 games a year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it being rests.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it is going to be some ailment.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's always he plays a very physical style.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's going to be something injury related kind of like what happened in the playoffs, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He, he, he falls right directly on his rear end after getting undercut or getting, I don't remember, was it undercut or got pulled down or something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was like a little bit of an accident on their cut.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and that's, that's a hard foul.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the kind of thing that is going to take out an older player like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the other thing about Al Horford, that I think is going to be so helpful is the less stress on Drey's body playing five.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it'd be very helpful for him because you remember there's been he's got he's had calf injuries and which leads to like hamstring injuries and lower back injuries and a lot of that is because he's like a six five dude having to play center and so hopefully that will allow him to be a little bit more of a free safety in those out minutes and we'll see if TJD could do anything there for them in the backup five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We know that post when post is in the game he's not in

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, really helped anybody defensively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's just out there to shoot three.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's getting killed by clinging.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's he I think if there's one person that I believe will take a step back this year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It is Quentin post because I think and it's because I think this team just has a higher idea for where they can go this year versus last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then the scout on him was just close out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like yeah, which is valuable, you know, to have

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[SPEAKER_01]: have them worry about you from three, you know, that's something nice to have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, last thing, and then we'll go to some Valkyrie stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Jonathan Kominga, obviously, there's going to be lots of interest in him and where he goes and what they do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we were trying to figure out, you know, does he, if he signs, is he here for the long run or is he going to be on the trade market like immediately?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's going to be

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, where your fans, especially where your Twitter, they're very perceptive to, you know, they're, they're, they're basketball heads.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They know players on the other team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They know contracts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They know certain folks is not all the smart ones, the good ones.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I do think there's going to be like a list of players that people are going to be circling to add to the team and trade JK and this is gets to what you were talking about earlier is like he's really the only piece that they have.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So how do they maximize it how does Mike done leavey like like does Mike done leavey is he actively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is he looking for, do you think on the folks who he's going to target?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think he has like a list of players that he kind of thinks may be available?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is he looking at teams and seeing some teams if they fall out, if someone gets hurt, if somebody asks out, if someone gets really frustrated?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you think is going to be part of this comming a season watch thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: how much of like what what what is done leavey going to be doing to like keep an eye on who's the best trade targets.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think he's already got a list of names in mind, but I think the MBA is just it's hard to guess like would you have guessed that the warriors would have gotten Jimmy Butler, you know, at the trade deadline last year at the price that they got him like some stuff is just like you can't even account for it like that's the how they got Jimmy was like such a steel.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, that stuff like that can happen and fall into their lap, but I, I imagine he's got some names that he's kind of just monitoring, but I don't think like it's just hard because I think the player you want for comminga is like a comminga in the sense of he's a young player who.

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[SPEAKER_01]: it's going to give you, you know, a lot of minutes and in the regular season and hopefully who you get in return is someone who maybe fits the lineup better and can play in the playoffs and won't get benched by Kerr, but in, in a, like, ideal all, I, like, just it, he's young.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a team full of older players and, you know, one of the oldest rosters in the NBA, what you want is youth, what you want is players that can give you minutes and while those older guys might need time to sit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So in theory, coming this what you want, but I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: just based off what happened with the contract negotiations and just how we've watched his four years play out where it's like her hasn't fully trusted him and and I don't think coming is given him the greatest reasons to fully trust him but that's just what you want and I don't think that's what you can get with coming up I don't think there's like a young player swap I know people have been saying tray Murphy like I just don't see why

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[SPEAKER_01]: New Orleans would want anything to do with J.K.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For Tray Murphy, and it may be someone with a third team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Click or two involved, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you'd give some firsts, but I just don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, the pelicans to me have been making moves that don't make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, so maybe they can make another non-sensical move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Joe Doom?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doom, ours, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I just think that's what it is like it's just I think what you want and return you know some Kobe white was it was tossed around like yeah young player like that that sounds great, but I think you can't well you can but you got to be careful about who you get in return for coming because you want someone that occurs going to play and it's going to get minutes in the playoffs, but you know what about two way wigs.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of fans would enjoy that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not that we miss him, necessarily, because with him and Butler together, there's a little bit of duplication.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Defensively, probably.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Jimmy like plus minus always talks about how for like spacing purposes, Jimmy Butler's best position on the floor with the warriors might actually be power forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and it's not if it would be different if Wiggs was like a dead eye shooter.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not Wiggs would be there to help with your defense, which I think they're going to need help with wings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, at some point this year, maybe they'll be so good offensively that they could get away with it, but at some point they're going to need to stop some some really good players and that that may be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if JK wants to put an imprint on this team, that may be where he could do it, but he's actually might be too big to guard some of these guys these days though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the super small guys.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's talk about some WMBA.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about some Valkyries here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's get going with some pod.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hala.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, the WNBA finals was a four zero wipe out, though, within that wipe out, I thought two of those games were awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't get to watch game four because I didn't either, my DVR didn't record it, but and by the time I realized like, I'd already seen everything that happened.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But man, game one in game three, I thought those were awesome basketball games and it just goes to show you like when you have a superstar like Asia Wilson

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just a reason why the teams of the best players often win these, you know, win the big games, like, especially that game three game winner just money can't say enough about her like what what a season and the only thing I'll say is just so bummed it wasn't her and Nefisa in the finals like that would have been the ultimate and it didn't happen that way that's why you play the games.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but she like put her she like two feet on the court like this is my league and I was just so impressed with her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, games one and three were incredible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think we saw too so I believe being out for game four and then I think I tuned in when the coach was getting ejected and just kind of like had it on like it was it was over it was over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we were I think I picked Phoenix to win if we go back and look at

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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't Ben and Sabrina pick Phoenix to win too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like not as bad about my selection.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think it was just, you know, they beat Minnesota.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who I thought was the clear runaway favorite for the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It beat them pretty convincingly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was like, surely they're going to, you know, they had a little bit of extra rest in Vegas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Vegas went to game three against Frick and Seattle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's the game against?

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[SPEAKER_01]: and Alia Bostonless, Kelsey Mitchellless, Caitlin Clarkless, every Indiana was the most hurt team in the league, and they met him and messed around until the finals.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they just kicked their butt in the finals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm trying to think of like, haven't really done like the deep dive on like, why, you know, they went, it was so difficult for them in those first couple rounds, but Phoenix was the easiest matchup for them by far.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I know I know Kelsey played those games and so did Elia Boston, but they weren't there when the buzzer hit in the fourth quarter, I'll say that much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, no, I think just looking at how much they struggled against these teams that I thought were kind of way worse than them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just didn't struggle at all against the team that beat who I thought should would have won the title.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I was a weird.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was a weird type of prediction and how it all played out, but it does just kind of attribute to Asia's greatness and you said it in the discord that it's kind of like interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're watching like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael in like real time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would never wish I got to watch Michael.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're watching stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I want to And I never saw Mike and so it's kind of it's cool just to see it and and just realize that like, you know, that that's what's happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She has 4 MVP's 3 titles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, no one else has 4 MVP's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She can she get one more title like I to me, she's already to go, but I know some people will

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, have some of those players with four titles, whether it be Maya Moore, whether it be Cheryl swoops or whether it be just like really some of those dinastic players that were involved in that Minnesota or Houston dinastic run there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But to me, she's the goat, if she gets one more, like, I don't even know what else you could say.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're still trying to say that it's someone else, I don't know what you're talking about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that kind of builds into this off season, and we'll talk about what to look for for the Valkyries because Richard Cohen wrote a really nice piece in the herhose stats newsletter that will use kind of as the for our primer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But before that, you know, all the Kathy Engelbert stuff, whether or not they're close on a deal for the new CBA,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to imagine the WNBA wants to relish in the idea that they could be so much part of this upcoming sports news cycle with their free agent period because it's going to be nuts like so many players are going to move teams.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you got the expansion teams, and then you got the Valkyries and what Joe Lake could do with some possible changes to the CBA such as if you could go over the cap, Joe's like, hey, we're in business baby.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so all of those things like you got to imagine that the just the sport, the the whole league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: has to be like, just look in their lips thinking, like, man, we need to get a piece of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thus, let's get a deal done.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what is the minimum that the players will come down to and let's just make it happen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, just talking about a bunch of rich dudes, like, you know, using the commissioner to debate, and to argue, and to try and make a deal to negotiate

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[SPEAKER_00]: a players union who's kind of feeling themselves a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They know that they are the product and that this product is hot and they want they know that if you sign, however, let's say they sign a five year deal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you sign a five year deal, you can't take advantage of the now again for another five years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I know they're trying to get what they believe is is theirs for right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: best case scenarios for them to wrap this up quick so that they could take advantage of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I just don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the players are not to say that the players are any smarter than any other union when it comes to the stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think there's a little bit of an independence in some of them that they may be willing to test their value a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if a lot of the other players who are maybe on the lower end of the salary structure are really into that, but at the same time, when you raise that salary structure, the bottom has to come up too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So players making, I don't know what the bottom salary in the league is 70,000 or whatever, like 70,000 should come up to 120,000 or 150,000.

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, the those players will benefit as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's it's really interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't I always feel like the NFL, like the NFL players, they always or they rarely take advantage of their leverage because they're the most popular sport in the in the U.S.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I always feel like the owners whip them when it comes to the CBA, and in basketball, previous CBAs, except for this current one, I sort of felt the same that the players would kind of whip in the owners a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the last CBA, the owners got this, just basically this locked salary cap that is killing a lot of the stuff that is fun about the league.

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[SPEAKER_00]: how they get through this and what what is valuable to them outside of money.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm guessing money is the most valuable but what else what what also they care about because you're locked in for five years and you don't know what you're what you're betting but and you're also working with owners who have done this many times because there's lots of the owners who also own NBA team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So what where do you sit with with

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[SPEAKER_00]: as far as predicting when this thing gets wrapped up and I don't know what do you think about how Kathy's been handling this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't think Kathy's been handling this all too great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think after the FISA canceled their meeting that they guess they were supposed to have,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, can she went on like the the Kamala Harris like book tour or like she was there and talking to Kamala about it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, oh my god.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Nefisa's just like got it all played game doubt like all these different things she can do to kind of like make Kathy indirectly look worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's I don't think it's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is is I don't know about very likely, but I just wouldn't put it past them like you say like I just think with how these players handle it like you think about WMBA to MBA like LeBron wasn't making known of FISA type of press conferences like LeBron's not in the player meetings like just think of

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the WMBA players are not only leading by example, but they're also like leading you know, in different categories, too, where Nefes is like a vice president for the WNBPA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So as Brianna Stewart, neck as the president, like Asia would 1,000 percent just be like Nefes are like whatever you say, like I'm with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just think there's a different level of involvement and leadership in the WMBA as opposed to its male counterpart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And because of that, I think that the players are going to stand on businessmen, like I really do truly believe that they're not going to fold until they get what they believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is theirs and I don't know for a fact what 100% is what they want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think what they want is the higher revenue share percentage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like number one because in that turns into more money per year for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, they, they're like, look, the NBA, it's like 50, 50 were like 13 or 9% or whatever the hell it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think it's, yeah, like 9 or whatever it is, it's just, we want a higher percentage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they want, but they also want, you know, more roster spots, I believe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want more type of, you know, what is it like, the maternity parental support?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or I forget what kind of like the top checkpoints were.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But of course, it's money and then like roster sizes and stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just, I think that there's I think that they are a smarter player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You player June in the most of the other leagues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I know you said, you know, you're not sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that it shows by their top players being as involved as they are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That shows power, man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And not, not, not taking away from like LeBron or like staff or like Katie, not being in those meetings like say CP3 was or whatever,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you got to have get out of strengths in those categories, and I think right now that WMB players play their best also have those strengths to lead in in in the players association as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, let's talk about the Valkyries this off season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we've talked a little bit about.

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[SPEAKER_00]: the free agency and again, we won't really know how to see this until the new CBA is signed, but the free agents on this team, Tiffany Hayes, Kaila Thornton, Monique Billings, Timmy, Fagbendlay, they are all unrestricted.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So whenever this thing gets figured out, they can go to any team that they want to, whoever has the highest offer or whatever team,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we know that there's a core designation that may survive the new CBA it may not so I won't even we won't even talk about that here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Restricted free agents are Veronica Burton and Cecilia Zandalisini, and then we have this thing called reserve free agents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Janelle Solon, Latisha and me here, Caitlyn Chen, Elyana Repair.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was looking up to see what the difference of the reserve free agents are, and it seems like it's in your first three years of service time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: first three years and the original team has exclusive negotiating rights if a qualifying offer is extended and in contrast restricted free agents have three years of service and can negotiate with other teams, but the original team has the right of first refusal to match any offer they received.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So kind of, it's not clear to me exactly how that works and again,

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[SPEAKER_00]: it's possible that they will change some of these things in the in the new CBA.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They only know they're really quick like you know how um.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Caitlyn Chen got drafted by the Golden State Valkyries, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's on a rookie scale contract and then they waived her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she is no longer on a rookie scale contract, but then she came back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can't resign her to a rookie scale contract.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They had to sign her to like a standard deal, but because she's under three years service time, she is now considered a reserved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: player.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like does that make sense how like she was on a rookie scale?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But now that then they had to cut her because she didn't make the final roster and then they brought her back what you can't bring her back on the rookie scale.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, rookie scale is the restricted free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the reserved is just more restricted than the restricted free agent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's more it's like better for teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think then the restricted free agent.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, okay, under contract, carolate, under contract, Kate Martin, and we know they have the rights to use day, you'll see who will be here, hopefully next year.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, what does it mean for the four women that I mentioned to be free agents?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tiffany Hayes, Kale Thornton, Monique Billings, Timmy Fagbendlay,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you have a feel yet on who you think they may try and bring back or what a priority might be for them as far as their free agents?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think all four of them were valuable to that basketball team.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I was to circle who was the most valuable, it's got to be Kayla, but at the same time she is coming off of a knee injury and she isn't her early.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think she's like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, so that that makes it kind of interesting, but how would you prioritize those four players?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Kla won Monique two, tell me three, Tiffany four, like I, that seems crazy to say, because I know like there's been many times on this podcast was like Tiffany's are best score, but I think that there is the potential to upgrade at the scoring position in the free agency.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, that's

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, tip one, six woman of the year, not, of course, this year, but the previous year, and they basic, they maxed her, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they like maxed her for this season.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just wonder what her price, like, but she is looking to accept that she liked the Valkyries enough to be like, you know, no one's giving her a max.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, did she like, did she like the Valkyries enough to come back on a cheaper deal if so than yes?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if she, you know, I, you saw the injuries,

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[SPEAKER_01]: She got hurt in a Phoenix Mercury game and that was like with like a month left to go in the season and she didn't make it back for

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[SPEAKER_01]: the playoffs like I of course you know to 36 or of course I'm worrying about her injury more than I am Kayla who had like a season ending injury like I get it but she is you know three years older and she's a little reckless like and then like in a good way like I don't think that's a bad thing yeah she lays her body out she's yeah she's hustle blazer body out like perfect but you know like that that can that can be in like injury prone that has more

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[SPEAKER_01]: like ability to get injured.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we were saying, which would be about earlier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just think that her scoring ability is something that I think the Valkyries aren't going to have like first choice in free agency, but I think that there's going to be a lot of players who want to play for them that I think can fill that scoring gap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I put Tiffany Lower.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Kayla's defense and you know what she means to the team is kind of why I have her higher.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like first all star

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[SPEAKER_01]: kind of rough to watch at times, but you know, you surround her with more offense, like that this team was like what really low an offense really high on defense and that was kind of like their identity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So can you surround in the free agency with a little more like two way players.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have Kayla one though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You like you would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You like Kayla's kind of.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm the one, like get me the ball, like let me guard the best player, like there was a lot of that in her and that kind of led the team a little bit like that created a little bit of a DNA and when she did go down, it's almost like Veronica inherited that from her and that became Veronica's personality as well, which is like, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember when we were doing our women's WMBA fantasy draft, like there were like five or six Valkyries taken just because we're like, I think maybe it's this one that's going to be a good one for fantasy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we weren't sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so yeah, Kayla did kind of step up and try to and take that and become the first all star and yeah, I agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She goes down and Veronica takes it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I'm reading from Richard's newsletter, Richard's post about the Valkyries.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So Richard writes, part of the reason they might be reluctant to commit that cap space, meaning using a supermax, is that Golden State should now be a hot designation for free agents.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't attract any huge names in 2025 because no one knew what they'd be walking into, but now they do, and it's almost all positive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's seeing the crowds, the success that Nikosay has had with whichever players are available, and how competitive this squad already proved to be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Combined with the facilities, the appeal of the West Coast,

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[SPEAKER_00]: There could be a lot more players willing to take the Valkyries calls this season.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There are also plenty of playing time and slots available.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll want to keep their core around, but that's a relatively small group, Burton, Salon, Thorne, if she's healthy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then whichever of the other euros will come back at reasonable prices.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's plenty of room for addition, especially in the paint.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I look different by next year, but they'll hope to retain exactly the same kind of spirit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's look at this from the perspective of the owners create a little bit of flexibility with the cap.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that they may be able to go over slot to bring in somebody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We talked about this in the beginning of the season because we just wondered if it would be like this, but we learned that the cap was very restrictive and which, and we said, you know what Sabrina Yinescu like she's kind of she's going to stick in New York because there there would be no monetary reason for her to leave the New York franchise, but if there is a monetary reason,

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[SPEAKER_00]: for her to leave New York to come to the Bay Area.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Could you see that as a possibility or would they look to fill out the roster with better, like you said, two way players?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, would you think they would go big, big star hunting or would they just upgrade some of the rotation so that they're just an all around better team or maybe they try and do both?

59:43.683 --> 59:45.304
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, I don't know what it looks like, but

59:46.205 --> 01:00:01.515
[SPEAKER_00]: That thing about the new CBA and whether or not they would create these opportunities to make free agency a little bit more interesting, right, which is part of the DNA of the NBA, you want to make free agency a little bit more interesting.

01:00:03.436 --> 01:00:06.218
[SPEAKER_00]: It would be not to say that she would come, but I think.

01:00:07.260 --> 01:00:35.843
[SPEAKER_00]: People will want to write those pieces about the walkeries chasing Sabrina and she's got to make a decision like that is pretty interesting to me for a league that is in this early growth period or not even early but is now in a growth period trying to create their own news ecosystem having those conversations for their best players makes drives interest for the league.

01:00:37.450 --> 01:00:50.502
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it feels all pointless to talk and think about this stuff because like we just we don't know there might be a lockout like it and it even feels like you're saying a bad word when you say the word lockout like we just don't know and

01:00:52.777 --> 01:00:56.660
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think there will be a monetary reason for her to come to Golden State.

01:00:57.060 --> 01:01:13.933
[SPEAKER_01]: You think about the richest owners in the WMBA, and I imagine it's in no order, you know, Joe side, the size from the liberty, ishbia from Phoenix, and, you know, Mark Davis for Vegas.

01:01:13.973 --> 01:01:15.734
[SPEAKER_00]: He's actually not very rich at all.

01:01:15.894 --> 01:01:16.995
[SPEAKER_00]: He's interesting.

01:01:17.035 --> 01:01:17.775
[SPEAKER_00]: He's one of the poor.

01:01:17.876 --> 01:01:20.618
[SPEAKER_00]: And he may be the poorest NFL owner in the league.

01:01:21.859 --> 01:01:32.650
[SPEAKER_00]: How does that stack up, although against like, you know, Lake of being sure I'm sure I'm sure Lake of has has more cash than I actually haven't even looked at Mark Davis is that is.

01:01:36.275 --> 01:01:40.097
[SPEAKER_00]: Vegas team what he bought it for versus what it's worth now.

01:01:40.177 --> 01:01:41.638
[SPEAKER_00]: He's yeah, he's doing well.

01:01:42.179 --> 01:02:00.990
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but um, just at least those three MBA owners that I could think of off the top of my head being for Phoenix, New York and in San Francisco, um, you know, she's on the liberty to mark the size won't just like they won't be a money issue if she wants to leave like they don't think golden state will offer her more than what New York's offering her.

01:02:01.070 --> 01:02:03.632
[SPEAKER_01]: So it have to be like, well, they would have to, right?

01:02:03.652 --> 01:02:05.773
[SPEAKER_01]: They would have to for who to even think about it.

01:02:06.817 --> 01:02:10.399
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just don't think it'll happen because New York's going to be like, we have the money, too.

01:02:10.459 --> 01:02:11.500
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we'll do it, too.

01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:14.541
[SPEAKER_01]: If there is a luxury tax, they will go into it, too.

01:02:14.761 --> 01:02:16.682
[SPEAKER_00]: They will have to pay piranha.

01:02:17.123 --> 01:02:20.044
[SPEAKER_00]: If Sabrina gets paid, they're going to need to pay piranha.

01:02:20.564 --> 01:02:24.607
[SPEAKER_00]: Then what does John Quilse say that the Valkyries don't have that problem yet.

01:02:24.967 --> 01:02:31.350
[SPEAKER_00]: And New York, if you were to raise these salaries and create a much bigger cap.

01:02:31.910 --> 01:02:35.012
[SPEAKER_00]: And then now the investment is a little bit more, you know,

01:02:37.430 --> 01:02:58.472
[SPEAKER_00]: the what you would have to pay these women compared to what you're playing NBA players is like not even compared to what it is but let's say Sabrina is a million and a half like all of sudden Brianna's like hey I'm worth two and John Quels like yeah I'm worth a million and a half or two as well so then that investment for the that big three

01:02:59.233 --> 01:03:02.754
[SPEAKER_00]: is like $4 million versus and then Joe says $600,000.

01:03:02.814 --> 01:03:04.735
[SPEAKER_00]: He says wait, right?

01:03:04.755 --> 01:03:11.676
[SPEAKER_01]: The rookie, I just waved Drake Whitehead, who was going into his third year, actually makes, that exact amount.

01:03:11.696 --> 01:03:17.418
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's what we would think that how it would work for sure.

01:03:17.558 --> 01:03:18.398
[SPEAKER_00]: It should work that way.

01:03:18.618 --> 01:03:24.180
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think of Sabrina leaves, I think it's, you know, I thought Brondello getting canned was maybe like,

01:03:24.899 --> 01:03:29.588
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, is she thinking about it, but then they're talking about bringing in an MBA coach and I don't think she

01:03:30.687 --> 01:03:34.788
[SPEAKER_01]: Leave, you know, Brianna and John quite like I think there's I think there's a run it back with them.

01:03:35.308 --> 01:03:37.109
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's time yet for Sabrina to come.

01:03:37.229 --> 01:04:00.234
[SPEAKER_01]: I was I was kind of hoping for the aces to lose because I thought Jackie young would come if they lost another they've won that's who I want now that they've won I don't think so I think that all you've heard from the aces is that they want to retain Chelsea Jackie and Asia and if you're Jackie you're like you're so beloved and Vegas and you know there's talks of like if you had lost you don't only have two titles and

01:04:00.934 --> 01:04:06.939
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the Minnesota and Houston foretidal seems way more out of reach, but now that they've won, they're at three.

01:04:06.959 --> 01:04:10.402
[SPEAKER_01]: I think they can get the four, so I just don't see her leaving.

01:04:12.444 --> 01:04:21.451
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, I haven't really sat down and been like, I just wonder, like, I feel like, Oh, Emma and Natalie are like pretty, like,

01:04:22.140 --> 01:04:27.944
[SPEAKER_01]: communicative and like like there's like he'll be on the same page.

01:04:28.204 --> 01:04:32.626
[SPEAKER_01]: And I just wonder if there's some stars that are maybe just like all offense, but don't try on defense.

01:04:32.646 --> 01:04:34.768
[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, we won't want that as a part of our culture.

01:04:35.248 --> 01:04:40.451
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, they almost work so well without a star because everyone came to work and every not that the stars wouldn't come to work.

01:04:40.491 --> 01:04:46.175
[SPEAKER_01]: But just like there was this hunger that like, you know, everyone just played with this fire that maybe

01:04:52.245 --> 01:05:04.847
[SPEAKER_01]: So you know, I haven't, again, I haven't sat down and kind of looked at because it's not that I have to look at who's available, who's not everyone's available right except for like players on rookies heel contracts and like two other, you know, veterans, but other than that, all the best players are available.

01:05:05.527 --> 01:05:05.807
[SPEAKER_01]: So.

01:05:07.648 --> 01:05:08.808
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, it's going to be fun.

01:05:09.048 --> 01:05:11.928
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I might have already said, but I wanted Jackie and.

01:05:13.749 --> 01:05:20.610
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, it's only been two weeks and I'm starting to figure it names, but the Seattle center that wasn't Dominique wasn't Neca, who's that who's the Australian.

01:05:22.205 --> 01:05:34.713
[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, she has like an Australian accent and I'm already forgetting her dang name But anyways, it was it was those two players, but I mean that that's kind of shooting low to me like they're talking about Magbrocore

01:05:35.428 --> 01:05:46.211
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, as he Maggagore, like he heard and Jackie, I feel like would fit the culture so well, just being like two way players that would just, I think it would be great, but of course now I don't think Jackie's coming.

01:05:46.231 --> 01:05:49.972
[SPEAKER_01]: I think as he, I think there's, that's, that's open.

01:05:50.012 --> 01:05:54.214
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Tammy's spot in the starting lineup is something that I feel like needs an upgrade.

01:05:54.234 --> 01:05:58.415
[SPEAKER_01]: I think Tammy's good, but I think for starting five, I think Tammy's good as a backup five.

01:05:58.435 --> 01:06:01.496
[SPEAKER_01]: Like as if you have this championship contending team,

01:06:05.589 --> 01:06:08.732
[SPEAKER_01]: I would I would like a like a like an upgrade in that position.

01:06:08.772 --> 01:06:16.257
[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, like a lot of other positions need upgrades, but I think, you know, Janelle, you can Janelle and Veronica, you can in pen right now that they're starters.

01:06:17.398 --> 01:06:31.349
[SPEAKER_01]: So we'll see with like what they do if they do, Janelle, Checci still has like a three four combo or if they Maybe try to get taller at the four position because some of these teams like basically start like two center height level players as your four five.

01:06:33.695 --> 01:06:37.597
[SPEAKER_01]: But I love doing the thought exercise.

01:06:37.637 --> 01:06:39.878
[SPEAKER_01]: I love just mocking players, the teams, and stuff.

01:06:39.898 --> 01:06:54.564
[SPEAKER_01]: But it just feels a little different for this summer where there's so much uncertainty, and there's so much like actually I'd rather that these players get everything that they're worth and owed than maybe I'll hold off on trying to get Maggbagore.

01:06:55.344 --> 01:06:57.965
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Gabby Williams, that would be awesome.

01:07:00.065 --> 01:07:02.647
[SPEAKER_00]: Shoutout to Rob who's checking us out on the live stream.

01:07:03.467 --> 01:07:09.770
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so let's end the show with a little bit of draft board stuff.

01:07:09.850 --> 01:07:11.271
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is from the nine.

01:07:11.291 --> 01:07:13.993
[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is.

01:07:16.047 --> 01:07:20.668
[SPEAKER_00]: Hunter, actually, I clicked on the link to the website.

01:07:20.768 --> 01:07:24.189
[SPEAKER_00]: It is Ed Emily Adler's post.

01:07:24.209 --> 01:07:26.850
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a three people group group group group.

01:07:26.870 --> 01:07:30.691
[SPEAKER_00]: But your culture, Emily, and I should put together this list.

01:07:30.731 --> 01:07:32.952
[SPEAKER_00]: So they put together an early draft board.

01:07:33.252 --> 01:07:34.532
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the one I go to every year.

01:07:34.753 --> 01:07:36.873
[SPEAKER_01]: Not actually, it probably is my main one.

01:07:36.893 --> 01:07:39.534
[SPEAKER_01]: Like them in the athletic and I'll use Conrados this year.

01:07:39.854 --> 01:07:42.475
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, we'll have some stuff with Conrados for sure.

01:07:43.455 --> 01:07:53.241
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm just going to read through, if we believe that the attackers will have the eighth pick in the draft, I'm going to read through the top eight picks.

01:07:53.441 --> 01:08:02.827
[SPEAKER_00]: They specifically say, we do not believe this will be the draft order, but this is just their evaluation rankings.

01:08:03.247 --> 01:08:04.008
[SPEAKER_00]: So number one,

01:08:05.064 --> 01:08:29.097
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, is it a were our, our fam, our fam from Spain, 64 Center, 19 years old, number two on their list is Olivia Miles, who we thought might come out last year, but decided to transfer from Notre Dame to TCU, uh, primary primary ball handler and she's going to be someone to watch this year and call it you for sure.

01:08:30.262 --> 01:08:31.383
[SPEAKER_00]: Number three is Lauren Betts.

01:08:32.164 --> 01:08:36.907
[SPEAKER_00]: Unfortunately for us when we got to see UCLA play last year, Lauren Betts was in street clothes.

01:08:36.927 --> 01:08:37.767
[SPEAKER_00]: She did not play.

01:08:38.108 --> 01:08:40.609
[SPEAKER_00]: So it would have been nice to see her play in person.

01:08:41.890 --> 01:08:43.391
[SPEAKER_00]: Number four, Flage.

01:08:44.893 --> 01:08:47.194
[SPEAKER_00]: Six foot wing LSU.

01:08:47.214 --> 01:08:49.055
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think,

01:08:50.615 --> 01:08:54.116
[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people, you know, there's a, there's a fame aspect to flogic.

01:08:54.176 --> 01:09:00.278
[SPEAKER_00]: She's been able to take advantage of her NIL and her Instagram.

01:09:00.298 --> 01:09:01.618
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think she even wraps.

01:09:01.898 --> 01:09:09.601
[SPEAKER_00]: So she's probably a little bit even more famous than some of these other women because she, she's taken advantage of her platform there.

01:09:09.681 --> 01:09:10.441
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'll tell you right now.

01:09:10.501 --> 01:09:12.982
[SPEAKER_01]: All the fan probably is the least known and she's mock number one.

01:09:13.322 --> 01:09:13.542
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:09:17.783 --> 01:09:20.165
[SPEAKER_00]: a combo guard from South Carolina is their fifth.

01:09:20.205 --> 01:09:22.127
[SPEAKER_00]: She's a Florida state transfer.

01:09:23.188 --> 01:09:30.574
[SPEAKER_00]: And then number six is Azifud, who is Colorado's favorite player in this draft.

01:09:31.294 --> 01:09:38.060
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he, I think he's still, I can't remember if he had Azifud or our our number one, but he's really high on Azifud.

01:09:38.660 --> 01:09:51.647
[SPEAKER_00]: five eleven we you know we saw her come to life in the in the sixty four in the tournament last year someone we got to see in person is number seven kiki rice point guard from UCLA

01:09:53.223 --> 01:10:15.904
[SPEAKER_00]: She doesn't like the thing that interest is interesting and maybe not as she maybe maybe it's something that people question her about it's just her ability to score like she does she she plays like a point guard But she doesn't play like Somebody who like when you need a bucket she's the one who you go to to get the bucket at least in the games that I've watched her but she still a really good player and then number eight

01:10:16.761 --> 01:10:40.212
[SPEAKER_00]: Yana Martin, Yana Martin from Spain age 25 nine out of those players, obviously we were not going to be able to watch the international players regularly with the ecology, you may be able to find them on YouTube streams, but who excites you for, you know, just if you're looking on the DVR, you're like, what team do I want to follow?

01:10:40.312 --> 01:10:41.933
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, what teams are you following so

01:10:45.106 --> 01:10:55.523
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's funny that two of those are playing overseas in Awafam, Indiana, Martin, but I think UCLA's got two of them.

01:10:58.398 --> 01:11:02.061
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't see because you can't see they're always on television.

01:11:02.882 --> 01:11:06.845
[SPEAKER_00]: It would have been USC, but Jews usually already said she's going to be out for the whole season.

01:11:07.205 --> 01:11:18.975
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I'm going to watch Oklahoma this year because Elia Chavez was the number one recruit up until, I guess, the very last second when they made Jazzy from that went to USC as the number one, but

01:11:22.895 --> 01:11:29.337
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't really see it many Mexican hoopers, so I'm pumped, um, but who else?

01:11:29.377 --> 01:11:39.141
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I want to watch Michigan this year because I like their freshman trio or duo last year in civil swords, um, who else am I going to watch?

01:11:39.701 --> 01:11:40.861
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good, of course Arizona.

01:11:40.881 --> 01:11:47.584
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to watch Texas because Madison Booker, I really think I think she's, I think she's really good.

01:11:48.933 --> 01:11:52.394
[SPEAKER_01]: But from this draft class, like, yeah, just in the mean UConn, U.S.

01:11:53.234 --> 01:11:54.355
[SPEAKER_01]: UConn, U.C.L.A.

01:11:54.835 --> 01:12:00.497
[SPEAKER_01]: and then South Carolina, like, they probably just can root, if you're a Valkyrie fan, you can just rotate through those.

01:12:00.537 --> 01:12:06.638
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, even, they, well, she wasn't mentioned, but Komarato, like Sarah Williams, for the Valkyries.

01:12:06.698 --> 01:12:07.739
[SPEAKER_01]: And, and she looked good.

01:12:07.759 --> 01:12:12.200
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, I, yeah, Kenyona isn't she, I think she's a freshman.

01:12:12.220 --> 01:12:16.221
[SPEAKER_01]: I, I got to see a little bit of that exhibition.

01:12:16.241 --> 01:12:18.042
[SPEAKER_01]: I think I clicked out at around half time,

01:12:19.332 --> 01:12:20.473
[SPEAKER_01]: Man, Sarah Strong.

01:12:20.533 --> 01:12:27.518
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why I said in our discord, I was like, if you did a draft right now, completely hypothetical where the WMBA was like, we're doing super draft.

01:12:27.718 --> 01:12:31.280
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone who's available in college, like, you know, you could be a freshman.

01:12:31.300 --> 01:12:33.802
[SPEAKER_01]: You could be a Leachave as and you could be draft eligible next year.

01:12:34.182 --> 01:12:34.843
[SPEAKER_01]: What would it look like?

01:12:34.903 --> 01:12:36.023
[SPEAKER_01]: Juju number one for sure.

01:12:36.063 --> 01:12:37.504
[SPEAKER_01]: And I have Sarah Strong at number two.

01:12:37.544 --> 01:12:40.426
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how good I think Sarah Strong is.

01:12:40.707 --> 01:12:44.669
[SPEAKER_01]: She just looked so dominant and could do, like it just looked like a warm-up game for her.

01:12:44.809 --> 01:12:44.869
[SPEAKER_01]: And

01:12:46.247 --> 01:13:09.159
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, of course, you can's going to kick the butt out of the Boston team, but yeah, you know, Sarah just looks like a level above damn everyone else except for like I guess easy, but yeah, you know, I think there may be more top heavy interesting talent last year, not maybe for sure page would go number one in this draft, you know, maybe Dominique would maybe go number one in this draft.

01:13:09.259 --> 01:13:09.800
[SPEAKER_01]: I so.

01:13:16.622 --> 01:13:18.104
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, yeah, we watch Kiki.

01:13:18.124 --> 01:13:18.744
[SPEAKER_01]: We like Kiki.

01:13:18.925 --> 01:13:20.867
[SPEAKER_01]: She's not anything like super spectacular.

01:13:20.907 --> 01:13:22.849
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she I think you nailed it right there.

01:13:22.869 --> 01:13:29.916
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's like the era of like when point cards are when when point cards are not the best player on the team, you know, like that era of the NBA.

01:13:30.297 --> 01:13:31.078
[SPEAKER_01]: I think she'd be great.

01:13:32.539 --> 01:13:34.642
[SPEAKER_00]: She yeah, she just gets everything organized.

01:13:34.742 --> 01:13:36.724
[SPEAKER_00]: She's the adult in the room, but

01:13:37.483 --> 01:13:41.965
[SPEAKER_00]: you don't you don't look at her and go, wow, she's like super athletic or she's a great ball handle.

01:13:42.005 --> 01:13:42.866
[SPEAKER_00]: She's just solid.

01:13:42.926 --> 01:13:44.707
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like solid everywhere.

01:13:44.787 --> 01:13:46.368
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, she's got that little mid range.

01:13:46.888 --> 01:13:49.349
[SPEAKER_00]: She can hit that mid range show.

01:13:49.689 --> 01:13:54.412
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what her three point percentage was, but when we saw her her go to was like,

01:13:55.293 --> 01:14:01.697
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, pull up, you know, pull up midrange 15 18 footer or whatever, but you know, this will be a segment.

01:14:01.717 --> 01:14:10.624
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll probably be doing a segment all through the college season of like who's kind of on the draft watch who who's looking good and who might the valkers be interested in.

01:14:10.684 --> 01:14:11.744
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it'll be really fun.

01:14:11.784 --> 01:14:16.688
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be a way to make sure that you pay attention to college women's college basketball.

01:14:16.708 --> 01:14:16.828
[SPEAKER_00]: So.

01:14:17.870 --> 01:14:18.650
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, that's going to be it.

01:14:18.690 --> 01:14:27.913
[SPEAKER_00]: The next time we come to you all will be after the Warriors first game against the Lakers and I'm looking forward to it.

01:14:27.953 --> 01:14:31.873
[SPEAKER_00]: Like it's kind of like it's the beginning of an 82 game season.

01:14:31.953 --> 01:14:33.614
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just like this long journey.

01:14:34.354 --> 01:14:46.097
[SPEAKER_00]: So I have to pace myself, but for some reason, you know, this is probably the most I've been excited since 2021 and not that I thought we were going to win the title in 2021, but it was just like, okay.

01:14:46.893 --> 01:14:53.499
[SPEAKER_00]: After COVID, after that terrible, wise men draft year and Steph gets hurt, we finally got the band back together.

01:14:53.619 --> 01:15:06.370
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see what they can do, which would have been the first season that we felt comfortable with them since the finals when they lost and then you're like, okay, and so I don't feel like that, because obviously there's been,

01:15:07.070 --> 01:15:21.154
[SPEAKER_00]: many seasons and they've made the playoffs and everything, but it just feels like they've fine tuned the engine and with Jimmy Butler and now Horford, you're like, okay, this team can do something if things fall in the right spot.

01:15:21.194 --> 01:15:23.675
[SPEAKER_00]: So, all right, we will be back next week.

01:15:24.332 --> 01:15:31.974
[SPEAKER_00]: with another edition of Golden State hoop talking both the warriors and the valkries thanks to Rob for hanging out with us in the chat.

01:15:32.534 --> 01:15:38.975
[SPEAKER_00]: So again, GG at BSPN media dot com if you want to come hang in the discord shoot me an email.

01:15:39.095 --> 01:15:41.836
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get you an invite and we'll get you in there.

01:15:41.896 --> 01:15:47.337
[SPEAKER_00]: So for Brian, I am WG, we will see you when we see you peace out.